Why Millennials Hate Free Speech and What to Do About It
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- The creator of ultra-woke poet Titania McGrath makes the definite case against cancel culture.
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Andrew Doyle is an Irish journalist and writer best known as the creator of the Twitter personality Titania McGrath, a parody of an ultra-woke, 24-year-old, militant vegan who thinks she is a better poet than William Shakespeare. Though the 43-year-old Doyle describes himself as a left-winger, he is a fierce critic of cancel culture and a proponent of Brexit. He holds a doctorate from Oxford in early Renaissance poetry, is the host of the new nightly show GB News, and is a columnist for Spiked Online. (He's a previous guest on The Reason Interview with Nick Gillespie.)
Doyle is also the author of the new book Free Speech and Why It Matters, a comprehensive, learned, and compelling argument in favor of unfettered debate and open expression. Nick Gillespie talks with him about why cancel culture is on the rise, how to combat it, and what Titania McGrath is up to as she approaches her quarter-life crisis.
"Free speech is my right to say what you don't want to hear".
George Orwell
And the left teaches young ones that words are violence, so violence is justified against words they don’t like.
Freedom of speech does not mean freedom from consequences.
Don't think that's an accurate quote.
"If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear."
That IS accurate.
@@Jon-ox7hk correct. And if a person creates a consequence for another because of their speech, the other is perfectly justified in creating a consequence for the first person.
In other words, don't escalate if you ain't willing to go to the next level.
@@johnvannewhouse The wording may be different, but, the meaning is the same.
I’m a gen Z who is massive on free speech. The people I go to school with terrify me with their total disregard for such a fundamental piece of our society.
As someone from Hong Kong and grew up with friends who parents and grandparents fled the cultural revolution the mind control a country can have on a person is terrifying. The oppression of civilians is the norm for most of civilisation. We need free speech to empower dissenters like the gay rights movement, MLK and suffragettes but also to keep the majority minds free.
@@Halkin85 Yes and even more frightening for me, is the notion that using technology once/if we lose free speech we'll descend into a perfect perpetual system of oppression with no way back.
They take it for granted, and as such they don't value it. Something given isn't valued.
It starts with out educational system and our media. It's completely one sided and quite frankly it's embarrassing.
@pipper donnie Get over yourself says the dollar store lawyer stfu he didn't say anything wrong you clown
I can't believe that someone would criticize the BLM movement. They have done wonderful things for the 2 black women that founded it.
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WELL SAID!💥😜
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Hostility towards women and black people? It appears that you are trying very hard to divert attention from yourself. You must be really, really impressive! Maybe you could ask Marco Rubio where he gets his lifts...
@@Addeladle-St-James Not hostility towards women or black people. Criticism of a corrupt political organization that strong arms people for money and criticism towards the 2 women that use that money for personal benefit whilst doing nothing for the black community. You don't seem to have the intellect to realize this. That or you are the one diverting attention away from the subject. That is called psychological projection. Now that I think about it I'm criticizing you.
"We are absolutely for free speech, as long as youre saying what we want to hear"
If you say what we want your speech is free ... or we will charge you !
Leftwingers are the only group who fight for the rights of those who they disagree with
Rightwingers support our constitution only when it’s convenient
@@Stewbular You can't possibly be that blind
People who are easily offended should be offended more often - Mae West.
And then some ! ...
@@mathieuvanleeuwen7127 That quote offends me! How DARE you!
@@junebloom1587 Will we ever hear the end of it? 😜
Jesus offended many with his truth.
The woke mob hate him
@@bhorleston poor, poor woke.
most get to know His name by religions, so no one gets personal with Him. And that's a loss because the alternative is so empty... so us.
Just wanted to say I'm a millennial and I defintley LOVE free speech.
Virtually all of us do. The title is utterly ridiculous and reductive.
@@Kittoes0124, I'm sure it's just meant to be reactionary.
Yeah..title be more accurate to say "snowflakes of all ages" not "millennials".
What about the "n" word.
Am i free to use that word to describe certain people
critical thinking is the key... the problem is that the ability does not come naturally, it is something that has to be taught.
The “hard sciences” are taught critically. Art is taught critically. The social sciences should also be taught critically.
“Hate speech” is free speech. Protecting one group and not another from rude speech is a direct violation of the Equal Protection clause of the 14th Amendment in the US.
Not in corporate agenda driven platforms
There is no such thing as hate speech. It's simply a criminalization of what used to be called 'bad manners' and shrugged off as the speaker's problem, not yours
Hate speech for thee but not for mee
Tell that to the Scots
Forget the 14th Amendment. All we need to win this argument is the First.
My *Rights* don't end where your _Feelings_ begin.
Your rights mean nothing to an authoritarian.
@@lockwoodthexton - exactly
@@lockwoodthexton Well then let the violence begin!
True, however England does not buy into the idea of inalienable rights
Lol, what is that supposed to mean?
I’ve watched this interview so many times and it never ceases to enthrall me. Love him so much!
Weird!
I a 20yo gen Z am VERY pro free speech. So much so that I was fired from one of my first jobs because I was on a podcast and said something spicy in defense of it.
Good for you. Thanks for standing up for individual rights.
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Just because you believe in free speech does not mean you agree with what’s being said
@Eric Moore And I have the right to try to offend you right back!
@Eric Moore Yes, but that does not give you the right to persecute this person for his comment. That is the right given to all Americans by the Constitution.
Exactly.
@Eric Moore Thank you for being deeply offended. Answer back. THAT is the right of free speech.
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As a Constitutional Libertarian and a Millennial, I have fewer friends who are millennials.
I have no empathy for those who act like 1 year olds in their 20s, demanding that their speech be the only speech.
This form of authoritative oppression is extremely dangerous
Yep!
you are part of the problem
God bless you.. my son and daughter are millennials but they're pretty mature even if it took my son a while to grow up... They are the type of more materialistic millennial even though I had the means to spoil them but I did not want them spoiled nor did I.. my son-in-law is an older millennial who is 41 and very mature and a good man but he's very materialistic.. my daughter-in-law is caught between the millennial and generation Z because she was born in 1995 and she was and still is extremely spoiled.. her mom says she's emotionally immature but she's almost 26 and she's really not going to mature anymore than she already is. she has said the most disrespectful and hateful things to me and if I say anything back to her at all, she's on the phone with her mom and her whole darn family.. I'm the bad person.. I don't have anything to do with my kids much because they're married and unlike other people who see their kids at least once a month, I don't see my kids but maybe three times a year.. their dad lives in Wyoming and he had nothing to do with them growing up after we divorced when they were four and seven except on birthdays and Christmas and they see and talk to him like he's the man.. I had a law career and made good money but I am not and nor was I wealthy. He's pretty wealthy after he got married because his wife paid the bill so he can finish his bachelor's and master's degree so he's a physician's assistant.. the kids just think he is the man.. I know he regrets things that he didn't do when the kids were younger and when he was still paying child support by not seeing them enough but they're a different bunch. My son and daughter aren't that super easily offended time but they just are very selfish and selfish to the point where when I was diagnosed with lupus, they didn't even want to be bothered with me at all.. after I got out of the hospital with kidney failure and septicemia, it was a nightmare. My parents died when I was in my late 30s and my mom when I was 41 and my brother committed suicide when I was 32. Sadly I don't have my family.. it's just really sad because I grew up with a really really close family and we saw each other all the time.. my dad and I were close and he was over at my house practically every day. It wasn't like that when I was married because I lived at the state but I just can't believe the difference.
My daughter is a social worker at the VA hospital and I was reading yesterday how they're planning to close down that facility.. she's been working there for a little over 2 years and I don't know what she's going to do if she loses her job there because she'll get another job easily somewhere else but doubtful with that kind of paying benefits for sure..(in some way she does need to be put in her place.. my daughter-in-law is the super spoiled one and one with the nasty mouth who says horrible things to people but can't take it back.
@Montre' Louise Bohon-Harris
I'm sorry for the very difficult things you've gone through. You seem like a great person.
Yeah. I'm thinking a few more children should have had their butts popped instead of putting them in a corner.
Fantastic interview!
I've followed Andrew Doyle since he revealed that he is the author behind the brilliant Titania McGrath spoofs.
Such an intelligent man, he's a joy to listen to.
Also the guy behind reporter Jonathon Pie
to each his own as long as it does no harm. If he's your taste. Little Alex in Clockwork Orange loves listening to Beethoven, loud. Burgess wants you to ask how that might have influenced the vicious creep and his comrades or if its relevant at all, remembering the WW2 camp guards who also liked classical music!. They did plenty of harm, all fired up.
@@jacpratt8608 I have no idea what you are talking about. Seriously, do you even know what you are commenting on?
I'm pretty sure you hit reply on the wrong page.
I first read Clockwork back in 1971. The last scene of the film IS the missing final chapter - “I was cured alright.” And I’m STILL fluent in Nadsat!
My younger Euro friends, constantly say "well you shouldn't be allowed to say that" no concept of Liberty or feel Liberty puts society at risk.
Shows how immature their society has become.
I say they should be confronted with a golf club if they said that to me I would beat them
*West Euro
Awful
Europeans have always been the first hand beneficiaries of American benevolence. Left to their own devices, they give you World Wars.
Conversation with a tyrant:
"Do you believe in your idea?"
"Yes."
"And it is a good idea?"
"Oh, absolutely."
"So I can examine it?"
"Of course!"
"And critique it?"
"No! No, no, no, no, no. No!"
Good one.
Lol
The world must respect our pacific protests, by force if necessary
@@ninjagaro. Bring it !😂
Like religion or a cult
I found reason TV only a month ago and it is soo good. Thanks for fighting the good fight.
This interviewer needs to let his guests finish their sentences, for Christ’s sake! Doyle was great. I would have liked to hear everything he said.
He's an idiot and clearly wants to inject his opinion onto his guest statement. Clearly he doesn't understand the distinction between a platform vs publisher argument. He also clearly doesn't believe in free speech as he constantly uses fallacies to argue the dangers. If they are editing or selectively editing it's no long the speech of the commenter but in fact the website's. They should be held liable for slander, medical disinformation that they disseminate.
"Crime is always preceded by non-crime." - UK Police.
"The innocent exist until they inevitably become perpetrators." -Rico, Judge Dredd.
"There is no such thing as an innocence, only varying degrees of guilt"
@@jacobcalvin5520
"There is no guilt. Only varying degrees of innocence".
I contribute yearly to our local Bureau of Non Crime.
There's no such thing as "police", only bullied kids out for revenge on society.
"A plea of innocence is guilty of wasting my time" - Adeptus Ministorum Confessor
Cutting out a mans tongue doesn't prove him a liar, only that you fear what he has to say.
@@jfkst1 Only a society of imbeciles and criminals are afraid of words. If you need me to clarify my statement, you may be the former.
@@gluttonousmachina2961 The "guy with the tiny mustache" didn't just show up, he was elected by these "most intelligent, intellectual people in the world". The only thing intellectual about the starving German population was their laziness! When you are hungry and desparate you will believe anything. BTW, I'm sure the Germans of 1933 would agree that they were "the most intelligent, intellectual people in the world". They would call themselves "Ubermensch".
@@rogue0010 So the Germans were like millenial/gen Z girls who call themselves Queens? Disturbing that one is okay and one not.
@@blablablayahoo Who the hell said that either was OK? BTW, those are your words, not mine. Intellectual laziness leads to atrocities no matter who it is. There are similarities between SOME millennials and Nazis though. Both are rabbid socialists who blame someone else for their problems and have crazy inhumane solutions to those problems. You have a right to your opinion but not to be ignorant. Now, stop trying to pick fights on youtube, keyboard commando!
@@rogue0010 You do realize Nazi's are extreme right, and communists are extreme left. Someone needs stop parroting the delusions they've bought all their lives. Start tapping into those critical thinking abilities before it's too late. Socialism, and communism are NOT one in the same. Capitalism is NOT a form of government either. NONE of these work regardless of which you choose. All roads of capitalism lead to fascism by default to be noted.
Calling others ignorant when you'd be utterly oblivious to you're own ignorance.
I can't imagine going along with the idea of the police having the power to investigate someone for a "non" crime while simultaneously being against the police. Wow.
Great back and forth guys! Thanks.
.“There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.”
Isaac Asimov
You mean its not enough closed minded one point of view athiest lacking enough creative thought to put themselves in others shoes?
Naw got plenty of them
This line of reasoning could be used to support or detract from free speech.
Thank you for those words. Democracy, pure democracy, is a popularity contest where feelings and whimsy have more power than metaphysical reality.
Free speech allows us to participate in this kabuki theater of expression. But how far will free speech get you once the mob votes to burn down your house?
What we need instead are individual rights.
That'll be why the US isn't a democracy then, but a constitutional and representative republic. But Isaac certainly beat that strawman to death so well done
@@Dimitris_Half incorrect republics and democracy are actually to different things. Understandable mistake as the two are often used together.
I'm 57 years old. As a kid in the 70's the popular reply to say when told to shut up was " It's a free country and I don't have to". Do you think that would ever be heard on a elementary playground today ?
Def gonna use that. Get the one popular again.
Was still in use in the 80s and 90s; speaking as a cusp Xer/millennial.
We had some wonderful adages back then. I personally loved “snitches get stitches”. 😂
@@IIXxx_juliet_xxXII in my elementary school we had signs in the hall about " we don't tattle tell "
@@mtr65 why don't you ask your caregiver? They probably have kids
@@Addeladle-St-James you might not be showing your age but just let everyone know your intellect .
This was a surprisingly good discussion. Very well rounded and reasonable.
The interviewer distracts and interrupts far too often for me to persist here today.
I like free speech and I'm a millennial.
Same
Same... I remember what old boomer Karen's tried to do violent games and their failure. #neveragain. If video games is free speech and p0rn is free speech then all is free speech.
@@f1champ551 You mean create an addictive casino with loot boxes to fuck up their dopamine?
Yeah...it sure did fail...
You’re among the few… I want Alex Jones reinstated
@@GalryZ your close but you didn't get the cigar yet... I can't stand lootboxes but in the 1990s I basically looked at Jack Thompson is a actual fraud.
I am a young student from Singapore, and I am inseparable from free speech. However, the people around me regard free speech less highly than me. I understand that my country is a small country and needs to defend itself & not meddle in other's affairs too much, however, I feel we need to do more to promote free speech not just in Singapore, but all over the world.
Much as I admire Singapore, I find it amazing how authoritarian the government there can be.
Hong Kong and Singapore are so similar in many respects but went down very different paths (ignoring what’s happened in the last three years).
You're an asset to your country, and you've got the right attitude. There is no freedom, without free speech. It can't exist otherwise.
Don't misunderstand the situation, free speech includes offensive speech. The people that complain about cancel culture are complaining about the social consequences they encounter from their speech. They object to the fact that most people find expression of hate repulsive and thus tend to shun individuals who express such views.
The uni campus I graduated from had huge issues in regards to this. From lectures incepting political bias and opinions into the teaching, to students heavily wrapped up in cancel culture ethos... Crazy society and we're on a dark road from here onwards!
I had a teacher who told me she didn't like free speech and i told her i did not care and got suspended. I got homeschooling instead
In my opinion (based on what I've observed), the woke folk find facts "offensive". For instance, when you argue with them and inevitably corner them into looking stupid, they'll just say you're being offensive and using "hate speech". They'll do and say anything to avoid having to admit that they're ridiculous and wrong.
@@Dimitris_Half all of them
You can't argue with them as they not only think they are right they think they are a better person, its like a cult of righteous.
There's that old saying related to this: "Never argue with a fool. First, they drag you down to their level, then they beat you with experience."
@@azmike3572 I've not heard that saying but I like it!
@@yankeetherebel during our childhoods we end up developing a psychological aversion to false information or a psychological aversion to factual information. It's easy to spot which of these 2 psychological aversions people have developed based on their ability to freely engage in conversations with others.
“No one is being cancelled. We just en made harass their employer until the target is fired for not agreeing. And then if they get a new job we target that one. And we go after their family. But they’re not cancelled. They’re free to die wherever they want.”
it's like a sort of loophole. it's like i want to catch a train to the other side of the country, but the train driver won't let me on because he doesn't like my opinions. he says "if you don't like it, get the next train." but the next train driver does the same thing and when i complain, people say "well the government didn't tell him to do that. his train, his rules." so i try different modes of transport, but they all reject me because they don't like my opinions. it seems its impossible for me to get to this place, but people say "no one's STOPPING you, you have a pair of legs, you can walk" of course, they put up as many barriers as they can and say "just walk around it then." and "the government didn't tell us to do this." and i just think it's people just using loopholes and well, i think you get my point
Either cite the source or remove the quotation marks. Otherwise this is an illiterate use of punctuation.
@@stonerubber brainlet
You seem really hurt by people not thinking racism and homophobia are cool.
It's not you, it's them....
@@jhibbitt2896 you go to great lengths to avoid understanding that the problem is very likely not the train drivers being bullies, but you being fundamentally repulsive. The losers having a crisis over cancel culture imagine they should be endlessly indulged.
Clean your shorts. Wipe the shiz off your chin.
Great interview. So great to discuss this very destructive problem.
Ever since, in the 1970’s, in San Francisco, they spoke of “hate crime” when referring to “gay bashing” I thought “isn’t that just assault and battery?” Only murder had gradations based on motive. Now if you would apply those rules, hate crimes could be “crimes of passion.”
I was just a teen but I was concerned even then. Turned out gay bashing wasn’t mostly done by white suburban kids but Latino and black gangs who drove to the Castro and beat up and robbed gay men leaving bathhouses.
Would be patriarchal macho men taking out their frustration, possibly with women!, on what seemed to them a permitted object?.
“Sticks and stones break my bones but words will never hurt me”. That Phrase is honestly way ahead of its time. This phrase can apply to way too many situations today.
That's the very definition of Conservativism -Doing what always works based upon truths that never change. We are ahead of our time by doing what we've always done...
Not ahead of its time. It was proper parenting to avoid this very issue happening on the grand scale it now does. Previous generations are wise, yes.
I agree! I have no idea how so many snowflakes came to be. I mean they used to teach Nietzsche 'no pain no gain' 'respect is earned' 'what doesn't kill you makes you stronger' but I think they must have stopped at some point.
That phrase is also a crock of bullshyte
So what you're saying is that you're operating on a grade school level?
Hitchens's razor: "What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence"
TH-cam's razor: any commenter who is unable to form a unique sentence can be dismissed with extreme prejudice.
Unless it is self-evident.
@@michaelanderson2881 you can have two people look at the same can of paint and call it two completely different colors. Nothing is self evident.
@@evanthesquirrel Totally wrong, and that's a stupid example. Green is green because we call it green, not because it's somehow inherently green. If someone calls it green and someone else calls it burgundy, the color of the paint remains exactly the same.
Thank God you didn't write the Declaration of Independence, in which some of the self-evident truths were declared to be that all men are created equal and that among the inalienable rights are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness.
@@markalbert9390 correct
0:49 Outstandingly creative, original and appropriate use of typography in wonderfully imaginative book cover design.
Freedom is not oppression. Freedom is the way, freedom is the goal, and freedom is the path.
The first time I remember seeing cancel culture, and going "WTF?" was when Christian Bale was recorded yelling while filming that Terminator movie. I kept seeing all this outrage, saying "Christian Bale owes everyone an apology!", and thought "why would Christian Bale owe me an apology? I don't know that guy. Sounds like he just had a stressful day at work". Michael Richard's happened around then too.
One day the cancellers will also be cancelled.
They don't like yelling because it "offends" them, and it's a famous person so perfect oppertunity.
That's not cancel culture. From the video: "No one is saying you shouldn't be allowed to criticize celebrities..." Cancel culture would be if Christian Bale got blacklisted and couldn't work again. Or, if someone expressed an opinion supporting Bale's behavior and was subsequently blacklisted.
Edit: ~23 minute mark
Aaron Chapin So making him apologize isn’t cancel culture but firing him is?
Seems the only difference is the magnitude of the punishment
@@orppranator5230 I agree it's a complicated issue, but yes that's basically correct. One has to have a sense of proportionality. Expressing an opinion is protected. Causing harm is not. That's why you cannot yell "fire" in a crowded theater, even though it's "just speech." Beyond that though, the case is made in the video that it's a counterproductive behavior anyway. Christian Bale would never be cancelled. He's too lucrative. The no-name actor or key grip or whomever that expresses support for Bale is the one who's likely to actually be blacklisted. Cancel culture doesn't "shame" bad actors, it punishes empathy.
Edit: And, to be clear it's not "making him apologize." Demanding an apology is expressing an opinion. If the police jailed him for failure to apologize, *that* would be force
I feel like the goalposts on how we define millennial keep getting moved.
Because we are moving it
@@limb.dondototohasstartedso7288 for this video its `american`
@@limb.dondototohasstartedso7288 there is no we
Anyone who they disagree with at this point lmao.
Well, millenials are getting older.
Excellent interview. Well done
Millennials were the first generation with “helicopter parents”. They were protected from any possible physical danger(even skinned knees or a splinter), emotional pain or feelings they didn’t enjoy. They were all given trophies because losing would hurt their feelings. This prevented any personal growth or any real understanding of the real world.
Once they left home and went to college the university became their new parents. Professors continued to vomit in their little bird mouths the same philosophy their parents had taught them that all that matters is their feelings. Since they never mentally aged they accepted any stupid theory or propaganda they heard that said their feelings are always right.
They now “feel” others don’t have a right to say anything that could ever possibly be offensive to them. Hence, free speech is the evil thing that allows others to say the truth and this hurts their feelings. Of course they have the right to offend people who don’t think and act exactly the way they do.
4 generations from the greatest generation to the worst!
Where did crap come from? You can't tell me that every parent of such a large portion of a generation decided to melt their children down and recast as weeble-wobbles in a bubble. This kind of trend has a strongly defined eye of tremendously low pressure. This crap had an architect.
I didn't get the helicopter parent, but I get the reasoning why this has happened. We grew up with parent that were often racist or homophobic and placed those ideas in to our little, forming personalities.
Some of us had to come to terms with having those ideas ourselves. We took on these ideas ourselves, could not handle that we may possibly be intolerant of others, and over-comepensated for our guilt by being over-tolerant.
Accept your shit and move on. Guilt is a bitch of an emotion and was not handled well.
@@haleydoe2279 that’s just it. Many boomers can’t admit that they could ever be wrong and get so defensive when they have their views challenged. Instead of try to understand others perspective’s, it’s doubling down and blaming others. Instead of universal rules, applying at all time to everyone, it’s finding an excuse for why it’s different in particular circumstances that just so happen to benefit themselves.
I feel like you must have gotten no trophies and were unpopular in your family. Is that it or does your weird bitterness have a different explanation?
"Crime is preceded by non-crime."
So in other words, pre-crime.
we all perpetually live in a state of pre-crime till the crime happens and hence we are all complicit in it.
Premature escalation
In other words, no crime. ... lol
@Piper Waltz pre- criminals
One can say crime is preceded by some speech of some sort so we need to investigate.
The UK never had freedom of speech. That's what happens when you don't revolt. We actually have it in the US... for now.
FYI: "Non-crime hate incidents" = Orwell's "Doublespeak"....and Nick's reference to "Clock Work Orange" is astute!
Oh, having been a Corbyn supporter - currently suspended for two years for showing where Tom Watson's money was coming from i.e. The Israeli lobby - I know all about Doublespeak. Five years of the f*cker from every section of the media; most shamefully from within the PLP.
#ReleaseTheFordeReport
Excellent conversation
Great interview. Love the Titania McGrath character.
I wish nick would give Andrew a bit more free speech and let him finish his sentences
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Lol it's not in his nature. I wish he would learn to do it tho.
Got to keep it moving. Andrew got in all of his relevant thoughts.
I agree. As a host, Nick was lousy, pontificating to the point of overshadowing the guest being interviewed. Why have an interview and not let the guest speak?
He’s Larry King compared to Kara “hey everyone I’m a lesbian” Swisher
If you're attacked for saying something offensive, just claim to be 2-spirit: "I'm otherkin where my alter being is a penguin that says what it wants"
Great content💯
Excellent interview!
Talking over a guest in mid sentence in answer to a question you’ve asked is quite jarring because I wanted to hear Andrew finish his thought. Instead I got someone basically saying - let’s move on I’m bored leaving Andrew spluttering in mid sentence trying to get his point over - whilst at the same time trying to work out why? Why can’t I finish my sentence
I picked up on a that a few times. Wondering why myself.
The wokeleft doesn't tolerate offensiveness against themselves--this is straight out of their Herbert Marcuse bible.
Yup. And Marcuse's idea of "offensive" was anything that wasn't complete agreement with him.
@@shok24199 snowflakes politicized.
idk man, anti woke people seem more offended and butthurt when their ideas are challenged, even more so than the wokeness they preach against, irony I guess?
@@meowmrrrp that's their strategy.
CRT is the brainchild of Marcuse and Angela Davis when he was her Prof., which embraces asymmetric tolerance.
there is good reason for the saying, 'Sticks and stones will break my bones but words can never harm me.' It has suited me throughout my life.
Being scared to think is not natural but is existential - I remember it myself when young - ‘so much world - so much tiny head!’ Several mental breakdowns later, several revelations later, several ‘wandings’ of wisdom - a clearer general view has become possible and a complementary mentality achieved: ‘Whole Essence’ and ‘existence conditioned by working hypotheses under constant reformation’. From a western perspective Catholic and Protestant both!
I think authoritarians always wear the "well-intentioned" facade. No despot oppresses people and openly declares that they're doing it because they're evil
The story is always that your fundamental rights have to be taken away from you, for your own protection. It always has been, and it always will be.
"Did you really think that we want those laws to be observed?" said Dr. Ferris. "We want them broken. You'd better get it straight that it's not a bunch of boy scouts you're up against - then you'll know that this is not the age for beautiful gestures. We're after power and we mean it. You fellows were pikers, but we know the real trick, and you'd better get wise to it. There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. Who wants a nation of law-abiding citizens' What's there in that for anyone? But just pass the kind of laws that can neither be observed nor enforced nor objectively interpreted - and you create a nation of law-breakers - and then you cash in on guilt. Now that's the system, Mr. Rearden, that's the game, and once you understand it, you'll be much easier to deal with." - Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged, 1957.
What Ayn Rand missed is that now the corporations are the de facto "government" declaring which laws (however instantiated) are passed and who is a criminal (whether guilty or not).
She didn't miss that corporations are the government - that's who Wesley Mouch represented
@@juliantheapostate8295 What I meant was that she could have woven the context into this brilliantly constructed paragraph.
@@merlepatterson To be fair, that was 60 years ago, when the biggest dangers were coming from totalitarian governments.
@@shok24199 I'm not certain what we're currently experiencing in the USA today, but it doesn't feel like 'Free, fair and open, people directed Constitutional Republic-style government'? It may be much worse than either of us believe it is? Maybe we just live in a corporate controlled, micro-targeted filter bubble in order to keep us from knowing the true reality?
Excellent interview. Excellent guest.
Glad you are talking about this. I’ve been wondering why most comedy is no longer funny. It’s because comedians no longer can walk the fine line of offensive and funny.
This has been going on for a long time, it's funny how some folks are only waking (woking up?) to it now. About thirty years ago, when I was a kid, I saw a girl at another table in a restaurant and said to a friend, "look at her, she's really hot." A self-styled feminist at my table overheard me and proceeded to yell at me for making such a statement, accusing me of "objectifying another human being," but refused to discuss it when mildly contested. Small anecdote from 1992, but since then it has only steadily become part of the mainstream, the attack on any voice, any comment, any joke -- funny, unfunny, bland, or dirty, any mild critique, any flattering comment, or harsh attack, any expression of an opinion that someone somewhere might feel offended by.
It is made worse these days by the people who wake up each morning leave their houses searching for ways to be offended, all subjectively based with the attitude, "it's your problem if I'm offended." Being a white male conservative, it means nothing to me, of course, I've been the villain all my life -- the black hat with a black heart and a white face. As John McLane would say, "welcome to he party pal."
Feminism has always been at forefront of PC madness.
You could have just started out by saying you were a white male conservative and people would have immediately understood that you suck. Stop wasting everyone's time with your grandstanding. Some people actually have important things to do with their lives.
@@Lizards_Lounge is there any reason why a casual observer of these comments would not just immediately conclude that your antipathy towards women stems from your basic undesirability? It's obvious. Stop embarrassing yourself.
Why does everyone forget to recommend A Brave New World. This novel is more prophetic than 1984 in that authority uses pleasure as a means of social control
Agree. The work of Ray Bradbury also has a particular relevance to the world we live in now.
Thanks for the recommendation. Will check that out
i remember a book by Alvin Toffler called future shock that pretty much predicted most of this.
Check out Atlas Shrugged by Ayn Rand
I think it's got something to do with 1984 being more "scary" on the surface.
Interesting discussion, you two.
It's important not to get disheartened because we suffer losses as well as wins. The other important thing is that we can't always be on the defensive. If free speech is your issue, you can't just be fighting against hate speech laws all the time; you also need to create more opportunities for free speech to force your opponents energy on fighting those.
I am 31 y/o woman and I believe regulating of free speech is a start of an spiral to hell
You are attractive ...and sane .... it's a rare thing
@@pablorages1241 thanks for the compliment
What this guy gets wrong is thinking that you can have a state which has a monopoly on several services, from defense, policing to much of banking, healthcare etc. and not always end up, given enough time, to the very same situation of freedom going extinct.
Authoritarianism and tyrannical rule is not the exception, it's the rule, the very nature of government. All we've been able to do is keep it at bay for certain periods of time, and even that at great financial cost.
Authoritarianism is cyclical. Keeping a government is like keeping a dog which bit your hand on more than one occasion.
And if keeping wolves away is what you aim for, keeping a bigger wolf in with the sheep to scare the other wolves away isn't a solution, it's always only a matter of time before the wolf gets hungry.
Great logic
The old Fable of the scorpion and the frog comes to mind here. Trusting the government to police itself is inherently a fool's mission. The nature of government is to expand. The people who go into government are normally well intentioned, but this actually creates a higher danger because they believe they know what is best for the population at Large. The larger the state, and the larger the apparatus controlling the state, the more you will see the crises. They believe that we are not able to tell what is best for us. Thus they are inherently dispose to removing our rights. The second article of our Bill of Rights is honestly the canary in the coal mine. The government knows very well that people who have weapons can resist. The thus it has always been one of the first things you will see eroded. If you look at the district square these attacks on the other rights are happening, the great majority of them are primarily disarmed. Countries like Great Britain where even a knife is now a registered weapon have already began policing what is called by Orwell thought crime... Or in present police logs non crime events. Events where an actual crime was not committed, but someone might have been thinking about it. It is amusing that only a decade ago we were aware of the danger of this. I think of the film minority report. Tom Cruise actually funded that film to discuss over policing. At this point he is not physically or mentally able to identify a problem with over-policing... So long as the police are doing the right thing. The idea that we cannot permit Free speech among certain sets of people because their ideas are hurtful to the population at Large... Well the last time we did this it devolved into the Red scare. People being rendered incapable of working or even being in prison for the crime of possibly thinking the government was incorrect. At that time the government overstepped and the people responded. Eventually forcing them to recant from their activities. The same is no longer the case, as governments around the world take actions which are obviously a danger... But the press who decades ago would have led the uprising against them now speak of how these actions are important to our democracy. I'm well aware that eventually my habit of monologuing on every blog site that I can find will render me incapable of having a job. I have no intention of stopping because it's for my safety. When it starts happening I will be well aware that it is time for me to leave. And it is the reason why I keep a residency Visa in a foreign country. I have no intention of winding up as happened so many times before. A historian can see the clouds on the horizon. But is extraordinarily hard to see the fire under the clouds until it gets closer. It is when you start feeling the heat that the decision must be made... Surrender... Die... Fight... Or run
People are sheep through. You could no more hope to change human nature than you could physically change a sheep into a wolf. The only realistic thing we can do is chain up the wolf and train it. The best way forward is to educate sheep while also restraining the wolf. Its a continuous effort. Just as a farm needs constant maintenance, so does society. There are always wolves outside the farm, if you get rid of ours, they will come and take over.
@@leechowning2712 you just decribe this in the best way possible
@@Jimraynor45 the goal is not to remove the wolf, but to educate the sheep. A flock of sheep and a flock of goats are almost identical externally. But heaven help the wolf that attacks a flock of goats. The goal is never to restrain those who could not be restrained. As our founding fathers said, democracy is two wolves and a sheep discussing what's for dinner. A republic is an armed sheep disputing the decision. The original laws said that every man who could be a citizen, basically anyone who was not a slave or a criminal, was a member of the militia from the time he came of age. This was not discussed and there were no exceptions. Every single property owning man, whether he owned a hundred acre Farm or a shack in the woods, was a member of the militia... And was expected to have a firearm. Honestly the first time we start seeing any gun laws whatsoever was when they realized that slaves might disagree with being slaves. For the first 50 years or so, we were too busy resisting being British to really ask if you should have a firearm.
"Crime is preceded by non-crime" Sounds like a book I read called 1984. Orwellian.
And here we are just short of a year later and things have gone from bad to worse. 😢😢😢😢
Very informative but please, let this man finish his points. He is very well spoken and does not need help establishing his philosophy.
Couldn't agree more.
When you can present yourself as a victim, you can demand to be lifted by government. Loosing becomes winning, as easy as war becomes peace and freedom becomes slavery. Failure is success (bailouts). Violence and coercion puts everything upside down.
Lovly dialog :-) makes me happy! I would like to date Tittiana Mc, whatever, and discuss her Scottish heritage, but i fear my wife would cancel the date, and this cancel culture I have succumbed to, and even learned to like.
You two have both made my day so much better. I am going to use this day to do some critical thinking. And even buy theT-shirt saying “Make 1984 a novel again”
Happy summer to you bouth, there is now profe of hope In UK
… And The Great USA :-)
"A doctorate in Renaissance Poetry" - I can't stop laughing.
Sad. Free speech is one of the most American values.
Not genocide, slavery, or lowering the common denominator?
There's a book. It's called, "So you've been publicly shamed" by Jon Ronson. It's a hell of a book.
I also recommend buying this book
Clock work orange leaves an impression on you like a modern day Frankenstein monster feel to it.. amazing peice of literature.
the main problem is that many people take everything too personally .
"You need to check your thinking" is a good response to someone telling someone else that he/she needs to "check your privilege," too.
"Nobody has the right to not be offended. That right doesn't exist in any declaration I have ever read." - Salman Rushdie
Thanks to both of you for such a calm and considerate discussion
The interviewer needs to work on the conversational aspect of interviewing. This was so hard to watch and listen to because he kept interrupting the answers. Joe Rogan, Tim Ferris, and Tom Bilyeu from impact theory are good examples that come to my mind.
"I don't take anyone seriously if they are uncivil"
But you realize how much sense someone can make, even being uncivil. Or at least Johnathan Pie does.
A lot of people feel that way. If you want to get your message across, it might be a good idea to be civil.
You don't have the 1st Amendment without the 2nd.
You do understand both AMENDMENTS were created to go against the government not in everything. You can not walk up to someone and threaten them. You can be put into jail. That is not exactly freedom of speech.
@@arod077 i don't think anyone legitimately confuses threats of immediate violence with free speech.
@@weatoria But they always say I can say whatever I like. What the left says is you do have freedom of speech but certain speech comes with consequences we all have to deal with.
@@arod077 True enough. But the line is shifting from threats of violence to simple offence. It used to be you could not shout "fire" in a crowded theater. Now you can't shout, "white lives matte,." without losing your job.
@@glennwatson3313 I understand what you mean but I mean you guys want small government so they really can not tell a company what kind of policies to make.
Free Speech hurt their feelings.
Good policies hurt your feelings.
@@Bc232klm Which policies? The same policies turning democrat cities to trash dumps?
@@Bc232klm you mean like approving a massive poorly thought out construction project?
The quote about checking thinking, was made by a police officer investigating a non -crime hate incident. The subject of the investigation was a retired police officer and he didn't take it lying down. He complained and sued.
I found it troubling how many people on both sides thought Titiana was real and so either wholeheartedly agreed with the or hated her. I got a lifetime ban from twitter so haven't seen it in a few years.
A good start would be the disuse of these keywords that end in “-phobic.” To not approve or believe in something is not to fear that something. Using these extreme adjectives is the first problem.
@@Dimitris_Half couldn’t disagree more mate, I may have no fear of its impact on the ‘status quo’, yet I may simply disapprove of it as a concept. Personal likes and dislikes are highly subjective.
@@Dimitris_Half mate there are religious people out there who for eg. wouldn’t want their church marrying a gay couple, that’s a preference. Nobody is denying the fact that they’re gay. But in a free society everyone is free to chose whom they like or dislike, you cannot force anyone to embrace a concept just cause it’s deemed politically correct by a bunch of leftists.
@@Dimitris_Half who’s hating bro, I’m all for freedom, a good many people have given their lives in the past in order to provide all the freedoms we enjoy today.
My friend, a free society is precisely one where there is absolute freedom of speech, which includes the right to offend, the minute you let a government decide what is considered offensive and what isn’t you move closer to an Orwellian state. In fact the very definition of a classical liberal is one who will fight till death in order to defend your right to voice your opinion, no matter how distasteful/offensive. You can’t have it both ways.
@@Dimitris_Half that’s fine, never let the fear of being disliked or ostracised by society keep you from speaking what you believe to be the truth. Chances are you’ll find enough people who agree with you.
@@Dimitris_Half Everything anyone disagrees with would ultimately be the result of a "phobia" by that logic. Also, phobia connotes irrationality and extremism, so even if what you said was true, there are many perfectly rational fears (non-phobias) of the effects of Islam on society.
Oh reason finally gotten to the crime non-crime hate incident. It is about time.
Thank you
almost a year later, the curve has tightened another coil, things continue to go pear-shaped -- I have heard many intensely non-critical thinkers espouse critical thinking as a good answer to some of our woes,. our culture continues to steam and get more surreal
*Gen Z
Millennials grew up with modern warfare 2 chat rooms, Eminem and the early internet age. We seen, heard, and said it all, its the younger gen that’s soft 😂😂
No, genZ isn't the one currently in govt/corps setting policy.
No. It's Millennials that first opened the breach by accepting the once fringe leftist imperative that Raaayyyycism! and MIZAHJENNY! are absolutely forbidden and ban-worthy in any communication. They're hate crimes! This was leveraged to start programs of censorship in social media and in public discourse generally that continues to expand, serving only the powerful, as it was always meant to do. At the same time, Millennials support this domination of communication by the powerful, thinking that they're promoting the liberation of the oppressed.
Millennials are the crappiest, dumbest, most clueless human beings in the history of mankind. You are that bad.
Don't blame us for the 90s people's mistakes!
@@ClockCutter Ouch. But you're not wrong.
Millennials are suckers to woke culture and wants to get rid of "offensive" media that was made over 50+ years ago, (like Pepe Le Pew for example) because it "sexist". Millennial sissies are just as soft as Gen Z sissies.
24 years old would put her born in '96 or '97. That's not millennial, that's gen z. Some millennials are 40 now.
yup Im a Gen Z and was like wtf lol
That's debatable. As arbitrary and confusing generation years are, research centers define millennial years ending at 1996 or 1997. If anything, she's a late millennial. But you can believe what ever.
This idea of we are what we watch was also rehashed by gaming. There were tons of studies done after this trend of people claiming that violence in games made kids more violent.
Been disproven over and over.
Great video and discussion. The title seems misleading though...many people who are millennials definitely favor free speech, and many who are younger and older do not. I don't think age decides political views on liberty. There is definitely a trend toward younger people being for tyranny, but far from the rule...
Millennials were born between 1981-1996.
The world uses stereotypes and speaks in generalities because that’s how the mind works. It categorizes and assigns these labels as a shortcut. Most people realize that terms like this mean “in general this group has these characteristics and we know not all of this group has these traits”. And most people are wrong.
For example, Baby boomers in the late 60s were considered to be rebellious rude ungrateful gits, but it’s estimated that less than 25% of that generation held these traits.
Then like now, it’s the most vocal that determine what others outside that group ascribe as their general traits. It’s rarely the best traits that are used in these stereotypes and it’s unfair, but it happens to all generations.
My parents were from the “silent generation”. They were said be the ones that kept their head down and worked hard and didn’t stick up for themselves when treated unfairly. I’m a Gen X. We are either forgotten, mislabeled by millennials as boomers while the boomers used to call us slackers. Elon Musk is the most famous Gen X right now. Most of the popular tools and toys on the internet were developed by “slacker” Gen X.
These labels are like nicknames your older brothers and sisters give you, partly to kid you and partly to remind you of your weaknesses that you have taken pride in. They are used both ways and sometimes in the same breath.
So don’t sweat it. Later, you will wear it like a badge and label your kids with one other own and they will be irritated with you for it. And you will smile a bit when they aren’t looking and feel a bit closer to them for that feeling.
Well said.
Word. There is also a lot of precedent in evolutionary biology for stereotyping.
Imagine early man NOT stereotyping each poisonous snake or individual sabertooth cat they came across: “Hmmm literally every single one I’ve ever encountered in my entire life has instantaneously tried to kill me but Ill give THIS one the benefit of the doubt. I wonder how much of my head I can fit in its mouth?” Would have ended poorly...
The heuristic mind
I was born in the early 60s and don't at all enjoy being labeled as a boomer in the same generation as my own mother. I find it ridiculous.
I am a “boomer” ex-hippie chic liberal. What does concern me is the lockstep anti-liberal twist on things many of my old friends have adopted. I am still a “liberal” albeit a Jeffersonian liberal.
Nick you right off interrupted his answer , please refrain ...
@43:00 YT is both a publisher and a platform. Publisher when it comes to video content and platform when it comes to comments(although this bit is also moderated).
Another great book to read is the Bible. Not only does it provide cautionary lessons, it also promotes positive values and actions to not get into those desperate situations, but how to thrive.
is it really millennials or is it gen z
Its millennials.
@Fremen agree so what do we do about the schools silence the teachers speech?
Both, gen Z a bit more because there are just more of them on the internet now but still
I am generation Y that they call "Milennials" I have zero problems with free speech and I support it, although from what I personally have seen most Generation Z's hate free speech just being real.
Yet boomers think gen Z will fix the future. I declare horseshit
@@Ominiumshadow24 dumb boomers. How blind do you have to be to not recognize that Gen X will ruin the world before these kids have any chance?
Revisiting this: still relevant a year later.
I might not agree with what you say, but I'll fight to the death for your right to say it.