BETTER THAN MEDIEVAL III? MK1212 REVIEW + MOD UPDATE for Total War Attila in 2022
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Is this the true heir to Medieval II? If so, I wouldn't be sad. Medieval Kingdoms 1212 is an absolute beast of a mod when all is said and done, adding features I never thought possible in a Total War game. I've never made an analysis video on this mod, so I thought it was time to take a deep dive, checking out the various factions, features, units, and the update that just came out. I hope you'll join me as we check out the astonishing Holy Roman Empire mechanics and everything else making this mod so unique, bringing a true medieval Total War experience while waiting for Medieval III itself. Who knew Total War Attila could be modded to this extent?!
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Was i the only one that noticed that the video have exacly 12:12 min
FINALLY, THANK YOU FOR NOTICING! :D
Niiiicccceeee well spotted!
Very clever 👍👍👍
No, I'm blind. Thank you for telling me.
It seems someone is happy that u noticed it
What people dont understand is that this mod is just 10000x more detailed and specific than anything CA will ever do if a medieval 3 gets released. And i think CA knows this
It’s absolutely incredibly well made.
That's what happens when you have actual passion working on a project, not just looking for profit.
yet they still include kilts/plaid on the Scots when it wouldn't be invented for another 400+ years and Paris is still nowhere near where Paris actually really is on the map lol
I don't want to jinx it but I think we're entering a new era of gaming where user made content is just above and beyond triple A studios
Yeah, the community is always better then the actual company making the game, guess thats what passion as the driving force does, not the bottom line
I actually liked playing as Burgundy. The French were getting their asses whooped by the English and (of course in history it was the opposite) I came and helped the French king by annihilation. I played nice with my neighbors vs invading them...but the fact that you can have relative 'fun' while staying 'stagnant' is not only fun but historical. In all TW games you had to keep fighting wars and winning tiles to enjoy or feel progress...I want a game where I can grow whenever I please and have other means of 'progressing' besides literally taking up space on the map.
Yes! That’s awesome, mate. How did you find it was like to grow financially as just one(?) province though?
We handed out some whooping to the French in this period thank you very much!
@@lindagoad2163 Hahaha! He said he said
English beat the french for most of history tho mate you wrong
@@killerboy4441 Pretty sure he was talking about him deciding to help the French.
Been playing this mod off and on for about 4-5 years now and it has always been the best thing to ever come out of this game series hands down.
That’s dedication! And you’re right for doing so! :D
I'd say DEI, but each to his own.
Updating the battle maps (especially for sieges) isn't a minor issue: currently, it feels like I'm playing Attila with medieval units. Just changing the audio cues to rid of those exotic flute sounds from Attila would go a long way to making the whole experience feel more like the Middle Ages.
yeah they have to change the general speech too
it doesnt work when the advisor says "the gods.." as a muslim or christian faction
absolutely agree.
I haven't played this yet but this is exactly what I'm worried about. I want the immersion and I'm worried the battle maps will ruin it for me. Are the campaign map structures updated to Medieval style architecture?
Love your content buddy! Keep covering such amazing mods! They deserve much love and attention and u provide it! Thumbs up all the way
Thank you so much! :D means a lot, happy you liked the video, mate :)
I trust the modders more than Creative Assembly. Total War modding community is some of the best out there. I don’t crave a Medieval 3 because I know it will be underwhelming. The only reason why it could be good, is that they make optimal conditions for modders to make it superior.
Such a great and informative video
Thumbs Up 👍
Thank you so much, Jonas!
Nice video man, good job. I haven't played the mod in a really, really long time. Looks like now is the time to check it out again.
Thank you so much, Cobra! Glad you enjoyed the video, and I hope you enjoy the mod :)
@@AndysTake I am playing it right now and am enjoying it. I see that a lot has changed and all for the better. Can't wait to see what the future holds.
Great video, Andy!
Thank you so much, Georgi!
I was trying to figure out what game to play. Now I have something to keep me occupied. Thanks Andy!
That video time is extremely satisfying...well done
Thank you, mate ;)
It truly is a great mod. I find the experience of fighting as the crusaders to be most challenging and just straight bad***.
I really want to have my hands on Attila and Medieval Kingdoms 1212 AD, also I liked that you made the video last 12:12
Thank you, and I’m happy you noticed ;)
@@AndysTake you're welcome, and happy you're happy you noticed ;) ;)
Also one of the many reasons I love MK 1212AD
Is because the Byzantine Empire feels fleshed out and unique
Compared to Medieval 2, it's a good Total War title, but I hate the unit roster given for Byzantium, it made it feel lackluster, generic, feel like the Etruscans in that Rome 2 Total War DLC where they just feel an unplayable faction that is weak
Thank god that the mods like Stainless Steel, Chivalry 1 and Chivalry 2 exist
And also MK 1212
which makes the Byzantine Successor states Epirus, Latins, Trebizond and Nicaea feel so unique
It felt like the MK modders cared about us Byzantophiles :,]
Even though the diplomacy in Total War games suck
Which means being allies with ERE (Eastern Roman Empire) while being the HRE, converting to Orthodoxy, invading Italy, will be impossible, unless Attila had a hotseat mode, which it doesn't, and it's a shame
It's still worth getting Total War, and getting this mod
Oh woooooow! This looks awesome, especially the HRE UI that's such a cool feature.... Every video you make results in another game I reinstall hahahaha 😜
Hahaha! :D YES, the HRE UI is what just completely sets this mod apart, an absolute gorgeous piece of work! I’m really excited to see how they’ll implement the college of cardinals, I imagine it could be something similar but just for EVERY catholic faction!
@@AndysTake it sounds like they have taken a lot of inspiration from paradox as well perhaps. So many factions, so much to do... This could be addictive. I like that they overcame some of Atillas shortcoming too give the player some more wiggle room and I like the sound of population being more complex and stratified for recruitment etc. The papal elections will be interesting because this is during the time where it starts to get a lot more political. There's some great idea in this mod, I hope CA is watching lol
I've played it before. So I definitely suggest it. However you should be aware that at least for me increasing building slots worked until you quit the game. Once you restart the game later on its all lost. Public order and sanitation are also extremely difficult at times. I had core regions constantly in revolt no matter what I did while I had newly conquered ones that I could leave alone for a 100 turns before worry. Trust me these are not small issues. Units are also still only on the early stage as they haven't finished their to late stage units. But it's a great experience despite all of these issues
I want Medieval II: Remastered. I concluded that it was the best TW in terms of engine and warfare. This new modern engine just doesn't work with melee fighting. Just go check Medieval II and compare it to Rome 2. Then anyone honest would have to admit that Medieval II: TW was the last great melee TW.
Path finding on individual models in a unit is quite frustrating for old total wars though. They need to fix that if there will be a remaster.
@@jasonnguyen1840 still is for new ones.
@@huntclanhunt9697 the fluidity of control between Medieval 2 and Shogun 2 is night and day.
i first started off at shogun 2, with then moving onto rome/atilla and man something just clicked in me with medieval 2 that has never clicked like that with any other TW game
Empire is pretty fun
Thanks! I really loved MTW2 and stainless steel, will try this one as well
Awesome, I hope you love it :D
An excellent choice of outro theme
Excellent taste, good sir.
looks amazing!
Thanks for the excellent video Andy...I must admit you and The Terminator really do a fantastic job highlighting these great mods I always look out for your videos..well explained and informative. Can I ask you what specs you have in your pc... because the graphics do look good..I know Attila suffers from optimisation problems..and I've never been a fan of the dark look in Attila but it does look good in your video. Thanks.
Thank you so much, Martyn, that’s so nice to hear! I’m really glad you’re enjoying the videos, really helps to keep me motivated :) so yes, I’m actually playing on a laptop right now, RTX3070 with Ryzen 5-something CPU, 16GB RAM and on an SSD hard drive. Attila doesn’t run the BEST, but it runs alright, just make sure to keep your shadows on Quality at the highest, it’s broken on max quality. Also, I’m using a shader mod in the video so you’re free to check that out in the video I linked in this video, it’s called GEM fyi :) cheers, and thank you for the kind words again!
Just found your channel. Great video.
Thank you so much! Love your honesty ;)
I agree with what you say when it translates the classical setting to the Medieval era which itself is an achievement of total war modding. I would digress when I say I'd want a Medieval city or castle any day than a vanilla Attila city because I'm quite tired of fighting in vanilla for now. But I'm not sure whether I should play a current campaign tbh, a lot of the mod is unfinished for now - and I can wait for a few patches here and there, but I don't know
There's no rush, it will just be better with time :)
nice review mate new subscriber here :)
Thank you so much, Ricardo! :D
Ok you convinced me x) Rise of Mordor et MK1212 will be my next mods to enjoy
I hope you enjoy them! :)
OMG man this looks insane. What a great overview! I'm a complete noob when it comes to mods and only ever play the base games (yes, I know I'm missing out) Can you tell me where to find this mod and is it easy to download? Liked and subscribed :)
Thank you Alex! :) yes, it’s on the Steam workshop! Easy to find, just go to most subscribed mods and you’ll find the different parts right there :)
Interesting video
The pretender add-on is definitely a nod from the 3K TW with the enemy of the han feature or usurper
Great video Andy, I have recently subbed to you and find all of your content very helpful and your explanations are clear, concise and to the point. keep up the good work.
I have 1 question which may be a silly one, does this mod suffer with the same optimization issues that the base game has? as even now that I have a much better PC compared to when I first played Attila it is still a real pain to run, I know it's not likely that the mod fixes these issues but I thought I would ask before I download it all again as this mod looks like everything I want in a Total War game :)
Anyway thanks again for another great video Andy
Thank you so much for the kind words, Big Ron, that really means a lot! So what are your specs? It sadly suffers even more from optimization issues than vanilla I find, because there are so many added script changes and stuff. But honestly, it runs just fine for me. Depending on your specs, under no circumstances have shadows on Ultra, keep them on quality as the highest. You can also enable the VRAM setting, dont remember what it's called at the moment. I also find that somehow, using AAx2 is better than MLAA (or whatever it's called). You just cant get around optimization stuff with this game, sadly :/
@@AndysTakeYour welcome mate. Thanks for the info, that's really helpful. I have an RTX 2080, i7 9700k, 16gb ram, games all on SSD drive. I have played original Attila on this setup but man the frames drops and stutter are real. Will give your suggestions a go though. Regardless of the optimization I have to try this mod now haha just to tide me over until a hopeful medieval 3 announcement 🙂
@@Ronnie_Z Yes, you HAVE to try it. And you have a really good setup, I’d say you should have much better performance than me since I believe Attila prefers Intel CPUs (I’m rocking an AMD cpu at the moment). But like I said, no max quality shadows, that’s a must. Also, for battles, keep things like vegetation and water and sky on quality (not max). I won’t compromise on units or texture quality/tessellation though, and I have things like v sync and all of that enabled.
@@AndysTake Awesome thanks again Andy 👍
Melhor mod para um Total War que já experimentei!!!
Loved the Martin Luther/assurance of faith joke!
Awesome video, time to boot up Attila
Thank you very much! Enjoy! :D
Very cool !
Indeed! :D
Sounds great! What about fortresses and castles?
They don’t have them yet, don’t know if it’s possible to mod that into the campaign, sadly
Nice job with the time.
My pleasure ;)
Empire II: Total Revamp
Working diplomacy, actual usable engine. All the down to earth improvements we need in a Napoleon-esque environment.
Then, Rome 3, Medieval 3, and Shogun 3 each making iterative improvements and encapsulating all aspects of all eras. Rome 3 covers Pharaoh, Troy, Alexander, Carthage, Caesar, Augustus and the fall of rome covered in Attila, on through the early Attila DLC.
Thrones being the breaking point where Medieval 3 starts, continuing on up through the gunpowder and discovery age. Then Shogun 3 where we track from the Mongol invasion to the Fall of the Samurai period.
Then Finally, after improving and learning from each game, and implementing all the correct changes. We finally culminate in the end-all-be-all of Total War, Empire 3! Where every aspect is perfect and that game is used to pump out DLC after DLC covering campaigns from the first American Civil War, WW1 and WW2 all the way back through all the previous campaigns remastered in this final engine that can run perfectly on everything...
Ahhh!! Sorry, I was having such a nice dream....
Well there goes my weekend
Please make a new installation guide that would be super helpful
This mod looks so amazing, I wish I actually had a decent computer to play it on but for now I don't mind playing Mediaeval 2 on my laptop, also an awesome game
It’s such an awesome mod
Guess it's time to install the game again
The update is really cool, have factions like Ayyubids and Seljuks got any unique events or such yet?
I dont know actually, obviously there will be cruades against them. The Seljuks can create the Ottoman Empire though which is awesome, but there could be more flavour added for the Ayyubids in terms of decisions and such.
Thanks
This Mod is nuts!!! I'm clocking out now and go 🏡!!
I never really looked into 1212 but damn I really have to now! 👍
Yeah you REALLY do! I think you'll love it!
Would be amazing to see a empire campaign mechanics for the HRE like in warhammer
Yes it would! Or like the actual HRE mechanic in EU4, which is close to perfect.
Once they add a navy this will be my favorite total war of all time
Nice. I'll go check it out. I was enjoying Rome Total War 2 with mods, but the low frame rates are just intolerable. Here's hoping the Atilla engine is a little more conducive to modern GPUs.
I just don't want to dumb down MED 3. It would be cool to see a return to things such economies, food, dread and other cool mechanics
For me, as long as it begins in 1337 (hundred year war), im good.
So aggressive in this one... I like it😆
Hahaha! At least I censored it ;)
HYPE
Great review and I'm sure it's a great mod, my bad I can't stand the depressing color range of the Attila Map. I just can't orientate myself on this thing.
Thank you! That’s sad, you’re sure it’s not just my shader that’s too dark for you?
same man, the reason why I don't play attila shitty colors in campaign and battle. Super hard to tell the units apart etc etc Medieval II still the best
Got Atilla today just for this mod :P
Awesome! I hope you enjoy it! :D
nice review ! where can i find your graphic reshade ?
Thank you! Check out my video on how to make Attila look next gen ;)
This video as almost sold me on getting Attila for the mo, instead of just MII. for another total war.
Good to hear ;)
What graphics mod are you using to get the 'depth of field' look??
Finally, mercenaries are here. Not having them wasn't really a show stopper for me, but damn did it make the whole thing time consuming.
Yes, I’m really glad they’re here now, it really felt like something was missing.
@@AndysTake Wait how is the name of new mod? model pack 8? thanks
@@TheMisa92 Mideval Kingdoms 1212 AD
Bring a book that mod can give you some horrific end turn times. Other than that it's really good.
DEI and this mod are absolute gems. I wish CA would just hire these teams and make Rome 3 or Medieval 3. It would be absolutely amazing to see what these teams could do with a new engine and actual funding from a triple A game developer.
I clicked on the video thinking a new update was on. I didn't realize the video is 2 years old for 2 minutes. Damn you TH-cam
It looks good but it still comes with all the weaknesses of Rome II engine.
Attila engine you mean? That engine which is a lot more versatile than Rome 2’s?
@@AndysTake But still has a lot of disadvantages compared to Rome/Medieval2 engine, especially now that Rome Remastered has unlimited modding capabilities.
The vassal thing is great except in attila (I guess this is from vanilla?) like you said, the diplo states are unsynced. I don't know the difference but sometimes, like as England, I can NEVER keep a vassal. They are either already at war with someone or get declared on and destroyed, even if I'm good friends with the faction that does it!?! Somehow it depends tho; same deal with the seljuks and somehow it happens less, I'm more able to keep vassals. Who knows.
I know, it's really fricking annoying. At least here, as long as you can keep them, it's possible to also get ready of them. I find that it's a good way to create some relief without having to spend a lot of time and money repairing a city or leaving your force there for a few turns, though, and it's awesome when it actually works :)
@@AndysTake Most definitely! I also sometimes find it works to wait a while... like a good while. As in just eliminate the faction then use that "Release buffer state" option you mention in vid, once the province is happy etc, and it can then be easier to keep them... sometimes >_<
Anyway, thanks for the great video!
@@toReasonWhy Thank you so much! :D
Now, we just need more banners in the units like 3K,
Agreed, would love waving banners like that!
This mod is what made me buy the game.
I would say personally though that they need some rework when it comes to the economics. The buildings are super expensive, and not enough buildings to make enough to buy them let alone support armies, hopefully this will be fixed.
The problem with this mod is that it has taken the developers so long to get to this point and still no medieval buildings or castles that it makes it just an Attila reskin mod (as good as they are) with some new scripts. On top of that the campaign is pretty static and the Ai is too passive. It is really only enjoyable if you use one of Bran's Campaign Ai sub mods.
It's a great mod but there are still problems with it- both minor and major. Minor one being that the option to change your faction name doesnt work. So even though you may control all of Europe as Flanders, You will still be the "County of Flanders", plus your faction leader will still be named a "Count" and your bodyguard units will stil be called "Count's Bodyguard". A major problem is the constant crashes for some players due to the recent update. Hopfully they fix it ASAP.
i make Croatian empire without problem and everyrhing is changed
U can annex vassals in 3k btw
Great video :)
Would like to join the discord but it keeps saying that the link is invalid or expired. Can anyone confirm this?
Thank you for pointing that out, fixed it! :)
I really do wish for a medieval 3 though..
the problem with this mod is the same problem as with most TW games; as the player expands the AIs stay largely the same. you end up fighting a bunch of weak factions. you have to find a way to keep the challenge up over time. for example in third age, mordor would tech up to trolls and harad would field so much forces and send all of them your way. or in civ4 one of the AIs ususally catherine would gobble up everyone and become so powerfull. in tw games you are ususally the only one getting stronger
Try playing the HRE in this mod, I dare you :)
hi
i need some help
i have a mid/low esh pc
it can run tw attila
but i do not know if it can run this mod
is it need strong pc to run it? or it is like the original game requirement?
The one thing I dislike about the mod is that there are no longer minor settlement battles. Those were some of my favorite in Attila.
the ones without walls but just the battle for the town square? They were alright in Attila I found because there was so much defending to do as the Eastern Roman Empire especially, but they did get a bit old, I have to say :)
Late 1100s / early 1200s is the greatest starting point for any Medieval 3 successor. All nations have finally stabilized and become powerful enough for great potential, and Mongolian invasions are right around the corner to be a great endgame boss much like Attila or Chaos hordes. If you go back to the 1000s, everything is fairly scattered and if you go into the 1300s, you have the bubonic plague which let's be honest, no one wants to deal with massive settlement squalor and quelling revolts every 3 turns.
Question: is this mod completely usable without expansions/DLC or are some of them required?
No, DLCs are not required :)
What are the unit collisions like?
Wow this looks amazing, modders just continue to absolutely astound me, I love Warhammer, but my true love is Medieval total war. I never really played multiplayer and have always been a campaign player. Not that I'm complaining but are cities/fortresses customizable for the campaign? I remember Atilla was somewhat poorly optimized, is it better now?
Attila is no better optimized than before sadly, and the modding team is working on implementing new castle models for the campaign, but it’s not out yet :)
@@AndysTake Awesome, thank you!
So basically EU4 but Total War
That's what I've always wanted :)
When “unique looks” sounds like “eunich looks” haha
Hahaha noooo
How much this leans on vanilla Atilla mechanics? I played every prior game to Atilla but I can't complete its tutorial. Does this mod have a tutorial or a good guide?
Hello whats the game you featured in this segment of the video? 1:00 - 1:20
Hi, Michael! That’s Crusader Kings 3 :)
great mod, damage that the game does not leave the ability to modify the provinces to modders, (paris is shifted for example) but otherwise great work, gg
Im 37 years old (Played all total war games since shogun1) and i dont want to die without playing medieval 3 :..(
Oh man, I’m sure you won’t hahaha, I envision a Medieval 3 in the next 1-3 years!
@@AndysTake You never know how much i want this game bro ...
@@kaisersoze5155 I’m right there with you bro
Is the blobbing of units in siege battles fixed?
City of Nuremberg is missing in HRE. Most important city in the medieval of germany.
I don't think so since we need mevial 3 so that they can later make the mods to improve it.
just for the algorithm
Thank you, my friend ❤️
They really need to make the towns more medieval, and get rid of the weird Attila shader and unit sound queues.
so i guess they still didn't manage to implement naval battles? Last time i tried it you couldn't even use ships to transport troops, i think you couldn't even recruit ships
Is this the 8 part mod, or a more recent one, the one I downloaded maps etc look nothing like. Please can you provide the name of the modder, there are so many, and lots don't work no navies or mercenries etc.
I downloaded the mods and follows the load order. The game got to main menu but when I clicked on the tutorial, it keeps crashing
Do I need more than the game ( i mean will i need to get specific dlcs ) ?
No I don’t think so :)
So just to clarify… I’m not a fan of how dark it was, but those were just your preferred settings, correct? My eyes aren’t great, and That darkness would be a non-starter for me. Otherwise, there’s some cool concepts there
Yeah that’s just my mods making it look that way :)
@@AndysTake Hey, thanks for a prompt reply. I appreciate that.
@@a-a-ron3542 My pleasure, I hope you enjoy the mod!
Quick question: Isnt this on rome 2 as well?
Are the battles slowed down compared to vanilla Attila? I just remember those super quick, unimmersive and arcady battles from the base game…
I'm pretty sure they're slowed down somewhat, as most of my battles take at least 10 minutes to finish now, compared to vanilla's like 5.
@@AndysTake Ok that’s definitely a step in the right direction (although I have a feeling that they will still feel pretty fast since I’m used to DEI battles).
and because of this mod, i buy this game 2 years ago 😂
The only faction I’ve played in 1212 is Spain as the castelle (spelled that so wrong), I have about 20 plus hours on the mod and my really only complaint is the lack of proper combat ships, and for some reason on all my campaigns as Spain when I become the Spanish empire I immediately get excommunicated and it stays that way for the rest of the campaign. Is this a bud or am I just getting to big to fast. The last campaign I played I went on every crusade and only attacked a Christian faction when they attacked me first.
How dare you leave out the mightiest faction of this game. FOR THE KHAAAAAN!
Hahaha indeed!
0:06 - ooh a hint.
Spoilers.
I like hints...
Does the mod get auto updated?
Do you have anything to propose for the public order issue
Which issue? :) I'd say build churches, public squares and health buildings for better sanitation :) also have priests do their thing in your provinces, they raise happiness quite a lot!