Kylo Ren Vs Luke Analyzed and Explained | Lightsaber Duels
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 13 ก.ค. 2024
- Welcome to a new series on the channel where I will go through almost every lightsaber duel out of the Star Wars Saga. For the first analysis, I went with Kylo Ren verse Luke Skywalker on Crait. I thought it was a very intense, but short fight. It leaned more on the emotional side of things than the spectacle. The cinematography of the duel is outstanding as well. The Last Jedi may have angered a lot of Fans, but I think there is a lot fo love about this film. Enjoy my deep dive and analysis!
Also, sorry for the weird overlay on the footage. It's a necessary evil sometimes.
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You are over analyzing this so hard. You've said so much yet so little about this fight. It's like a 5th grade essay filled with superficial filler words.
youre cute
@@ATATChat If they don't have a pfp don't take their shit.
@@ATATChat Just saying, I've had a bad experience with them :)
Oh but I bet you gladly watch Mauler's 2187 hour "review" and clap like a seal to it?
You are not analyzing this so hard. You've said so little about this video. It's like a 4th grade vague BS backed up by nothing.
"Luke's completely unusuable X-Wing" - Welp, this joke aged poorly.
I that seen was beautiful though with luke doing the same thing as yoda did in empire strikes back
God dammit JJ!!!!
Lmaooo
Just like TLJ
Doesn't really matter, Luke had no intention of allowing Kylo to kill him. If he had, It likely wouldve ended any hope of turning him. Plus who knows, timewise he cut it close even with the projection, Xwing might've been slow. Or maybe he didn't have a way to track them and projecting to Leia was his only option. Any number of explanations.
he went to Kenobi level trolling, and then went to a Yoda level farewell
All I here is the Lego yoda death sound
The true Jedi
He went beyond kenobi levels of trolling
But most importantly, he like Anakin, thinks spinning is a good trick. 7:14
He was taught by the best, and he learned from the best.
Kylo lose because Luke just sitting on high ground
The highest
Only valid explanation 👍
The only reason
NOT FUNNY DIDNT LAUGHT
@@Alonso-te7id Imagine being so triggered by a joke you forget how to spell laugh.
I love how the moment Luke shows up on the battlefield, not a single person more dies. True jedi.
Saxpunch exactly. Luke was a true Jedi in this scene.
Well, Luke dies, so not really a single person more.
@@Na11441 he doesn't die on the battlefield lmao
NosideZero it is a battlefield. Literally a battle took place there not five minutes earlier. Lol?
Child Eater yea? and? he didn’t die on the battle field lmao
The Last Jedi gave Luke the most jedi ending ever. It was peaceful and nobody died expect for himself. He sacrificed himself to become a symbol of hope for the galaxy. Not only did he perform the most powerful force ability we've ever seen, but it also fits perfectly into the themes of the movie. As a force projection, he was literally the embodiment of hope. Carrying the legacy of the Luke Skywalker that the galaxy and the audience always believed in. The legend he himself at first didn't believe in, but at the end realizing the importance and power that myths has for inspiring future generations. Honestly it had so much meaning from so many perspectives. For Kylo, this duel symbolized his inner conflict with killing the past. While desperately trying to fight it, he realized that it's impossible to kill the past. No matter how much he tries to forget, he will always live with what he has done.
What Yoda teaches is to learn from the past, which Kylo doesn't understand.. and he suffers from it.
”See you around kid.” That’s exactly like something Han would say.
I really think he said that specifically BECAUSE it is something Han would say.
Yeap
You're giving too much credit to a director that stayed he can't write for shit
@@glazeuniversagladis2499 directors don't write scripts lots of times
That’s the only attack he did.
It always breaks my heart when Luke tells Kylo he failed him. Reminds me so much of Obi-Wan telling Anakin the same thing on Mustafar. :(
Same
It's like poetry, it rhymes.
Still don’t understand kylo’s pain.. is it because of Luke trying to kill him? But wait how come with his father who had killed thousands of people and done horrible things, still feel good in his father but with kylo no? This isn’t the true Skywalker I know and well thanks to prequel haters this is what we get.
We got a big studio who doesn’t understand lightsabers and in general Star Wars.
I hope papa George sues Disney and retakes Star Wars.
If my uncle tried to kill me and it was my own parents who sent me to him I’d be messed up myself!
Only obi wan never tried to kill his apprentice in his sleep
The movie producer watching this: “wow I didn’t even mean to do that”
Lol, got a lot of my information from the documentary.
i’m pretty sure Rian meant most of these
Josh Abraham ik it was a joke friend
Bryan Odria It’s cool knowing the meaning though. A lot of life lessons hidden in the movie. I’ve always watched a movie without even really analyzing it deeply. The only movie that really comes across to me with a lot of meaning without even me trying to analyze it is Fast and Furious. Especially the last fast and furious that Paul Walker was in, the ending when they on the beach and he leaves. That was a masterpiece and nearly made me cry as much as I hate to say it. Paul Walker was my favorite movie actor and it hit me hard seeing that he was gone. Those fast and furious movies are easy to realize the meaning behind it all. It’s all about family if it’s blood or not just make sure it’s true family and always stay loyal to them.
this has 666 likes at the time i reply to this
You know what I find the most interesting part? Kylo Ren is so unbalanced he's not even close to becoming a Sith. He's just a Dark Jedi like Asajj Ventress
Shiftinggers and he pretty much has the skills and powers of a Dark Jedi: offensive telekinetic attacks and an aggressive fighting style likely Djem So
He's not even really a Dark Jedi. He's basically angry Emo Jedi. Like he legitimately throws temper tantrums and pretends like nobody understands him and he always either is angry or is about to be angry.
@@Astraeus.. Just like Anakin Skywalker
Uhhh.. Haha.. no
At least Asajj Ventress was skilled in combat.
He smirks because Luke moves his foot with the Force to correct his posture.
Thats actually a very great thought! HAHAHAHAHHAA
That’s what happens! If you watch the scene,
Ben’s foot moves even though it’s firmly planted in the ground. Then hey cut to Luke who then gives the little smirk. I didn’t even think it was a question what was happening there.
Omg I never even thought about that. It makes so much sense now!
That is really smart
Damn, I never caught that
“this fight is grounded” *luke matrix dodges and slips along the ground like a beyblade*
at least there is no high ground
Just think if Obi Wan did that with Vader, the outrage would linger to this day. Any pretence of finesse and credulity has long been eradicated from the Darth Tantrum Vs cgi Luke fight.
I’ve actually done that move in real life and nearly broke my leg
You realise he never actually did that right? It's a projection he can do whatever the fuck he wants
@@jakobcox8745 He probably could've done that IRL if he wanted to
"A Jedi uses the Force for knowledge and defense, never to attack." It's no wonder why Yoda has been beloved and respected by fans for years, and his lessons has been completely justified in this very scene.
You would think. But SW fans want blood and gore.
Thats why he couldn't beat Sidious.
And that's why the Jedi fell in the first place.
Marcus Rondo he couldn’t beat him because of the Terrain
@@zampy8706 He just didn't have the high ground.
Luke: yo I just trolled this kid good.
Obi wan: I have taught you well.
I hate you uncle, you ruined everything I could have ended the Resistance if you just stayed in hiding!
@@kyloren114 Luke: ;)
Kylo Ren you could’ve ordered your troops to go around Luke.
Luke, I have taught you well
LMAOO I love this comment
I feel like this duel is actually the perfect representation of Jedi vs Sith. Luke is using his power for defense. He never attacks just as Yoda said. Kylo is using his rage and power to attack. Just like a Sith would do.
Waiting for the hard-core star wars nerds to say that kylo isn't a sith
What people need to realize is that the Clonewars was the jedi's mistake, they broke the code by even being involved in the war. So luke wasn't going to repeat this.
Anakin: "We are protectors, yours at the moment, we fight for peace"
Dutchess Satine: "What an amusing contradiction."
"A wise King never seeks war. But he is always ready for it."
@Vesa615
Inappropriate how?
@@johnnygyro2295 It's actually not innapropriate at all. Jedi were never saints, they were all trained for battle. The difference between a Jedi and a Sith is that Jedi practice tranquility, fighting while maintaining inner peace and not allowing themselves to slip into the dark side, while a Sith practices rage, hatred, and any other negative emotion to fuel their power. In the first place, during the days of the Republic, Jedi actively participated in wars against the Sith empire, much like they did in the Clone Wars era. There was only one Jedi that never fought, and probably never even had a lightsaber. However, she was literally an embodiment of the light side.
John Morgan I use that analogy all the time myself.
Cole Eckerman you do know that Duchess Satine is an idiot, right? in order to obtain peace from a hungry military, you HAVE to fight. Unless you think peace means surrendering without a fight and living under horrible conditions for the rest of your life.
You can make an average 70s porn movie sound like a cinematic masterpiece with editing and narration like that
I love you
@@ATATChat ❤
Ron you should have said *i know* lol
Wait tlj wasn’t a 70s porn movie?
@@kindbarcid8195 that's not I signed up for....I hope.
I love how aggressive Kylo is when he fights
You realize it makes him a complete sitting duck right? Like any garden variety Jedi, Sith, and even most padawans would have destroyed him in less than 5 minutes if they wanted to.
@@DK-vf8lf yea no
This make me think kylo has been holding back on Rey this entire time
That's because Rey is his.................................
He was, apart from his both mental and phsyical injury on the Starkiller Base, he was holding back so he could convert her to the Dark Side.
THIS IS NOT TRUE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Rey always wins and is better then Kylo because MAREY SUEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Yeah he is definitely a better duelist but in terms of the force I think Rey is stronger
@@leoanything7285 because Mary Sue
10:20
"and finally, just like his father, Yoda"
*WAIT, WHAT*
"..., and Obi Wan"
*oh*
....dead?
crimsonbubbles well fuck that’s an image I didn’t want.
xabalba555 Yoda: Call me daddy, you shall
Archer143 after 3 months you should have way more likes
Kylo: *he played us like a damn fiddle*
Hux, prepare my ice cream.
The trilogy would've done way better if they had focused it around Kylo, he was much more interesting as a character, had much better acting, and really had way better anything than rey
FBI yup
You can kind of view them as his movies.
Or they could've wrote Rey better
@@targetdemographic1257 Yeah but they did him wrong so much and gave him so little focus as a character that it's hard to focus on his story
FBI he deserved better 😔
English teacher: the red shows wounds
director: it just looked cool
wtf?
A director puts in a lot of work so we can understand the feelings they are trying to convey with the film. Every angle, close up, set design choice, and audio choice are designed with what the viewer will understand from the scene in mind. You can go to a film to have fun and enjoy a story but that film is still crafted in a way that will make you understand the feeling in the scene wether you realize it or not.
In a work of literature, words and description and dialogue are all you have. But a film can’t show you in words how a shot is supposed to make you feel. So techniques are used to make us feel something other then just watching flashing colours on a screen.
@@devilboyraden I mean, force projection was already well established in the lore in many other pieces of Star Wars media (a lot of which were comissioned by Lucas), Mother Talsin, Darth Bane, Force ghosts in general, so calling it bullshit just because it shows up in a film is a bit much.
With the same logic you could say Palpatine's force lightning was bullshit, it showed up last minute and was never alluded to prior. Force Projection is such a good way for Luke to got out, giving him a sense of power and composure to compliment his status if wise old sage. He dies peacefully and more than a little bit smugly as his cunning approach outwits Kylo's brash, impatient desire to fight.
Yeah, people can overanalyse, but useually because there is something of substance there to begin with and sometimes its fun to just run rampant with it, elevating the source material to something of meticulous and multi-faceted detail.
It's fine if you don't like the film, I'm not gonna be arrogant to tell you you should, it had a lot of flaws. This is just my poing of view.
@@skyguy675 I think he called it bs because the other Disney directorish person literally said that they did not have, and therefore use, any of the comics when making the movie. If they didn't use the comics or even read them for that matter, then it is just an asspull.
@@TheFriendless1 Then equally so would Palp's lightning, but everyone seems to love that. And anyway, they're the director and Luke is a grand master, at this point I'll believe he can fly. Why would anyone limit the force, surely its more fun to see new abilities every now and again?
Unfortunately,I'm one of those HATERS on this film:(
But when listening to this film,I look at it differently,I now see what it means in this duel..
I can rewatch,with whole new perspective,thanks for that my young friend
This is my favorite comment
Same. Right there with you!
This comment gives me hope that people will come around once the dust settles on The Last Jedi.
Thank you for being open to a fresh perspective.
In turn, we also see how the film upset a group of fans. Without a doubt it was divisive, but in my opinion a pretty good film with fantastic visuals and symbolism.
@Mobley House Video
1. That's not how the force works. It's an instinctual thing. Some people are far more in tune with it than others. Luke used the force in ep4 by closing his eyes, clearing his mind and breathing deeply. That was it. Many fans misunderstand. They think it's a skill. Training is needed for a lightsaber, or to refine some specifics. Not to feel and use the force. Practice and so on are necessary of course. Refinement and exploration of it all need training yes. But the force is something that is inately taped into, a belief in yourself, a calmness and a sense of surrender to its will, that is what using it requires. In a moment of life or death, in a moment where these instinctual feelings of self preservation are acting, Leia basically subconsciously taps into the force to save herself.
2. That unnecessary exposition about Snoke sounds clunky and out of place. It's not relevant to the story. Who needs it. Though it would still be cool. I just don't think it's a deal breaker. As for Rey. We got her backstory. She was the one who said that her parents were nobodies, not Kylo. She said it first, she saw it in the cave. It's not a lie of Kylo's. It's not something that will be retconned as JJ has said he isn't retconning anything and he is very happy with episode 8.
@@BasedVegeta
Thanks mate :)
When fans forget that the REAL Luke wouldn’t massacre hundreds of people with a ‘Lasersword’
Of course not, use an X-Wing
Luke Skywalker destroyed the first Death Star which, incidentally, had a crew in excess of 1 million. Pretty sure not all of them were complete evil, just guys doing a job. He also straight up murdered a bunch of dudes that time he went to visit Jabba.
What the REAL Luke wouldn't have done is try to murder his nephew in his sleep because he saw a vision of him turning to the Dark Side. Luke risked his life to save a father he had never known and who was legitimately the 2nd most evil man in the entire universe. There's no way in a million years that Luke would have sensed some evil in Ben's future and then struck at him in anger. That is the thing REAL fans are pissed about.
Lord Megatron dude honestly, Yoda even says Jedi never Attack but no one actually pays attention to the movie, when he blew up the death star he wasn’t a Jedi, and I’m pretty sure Luke wasn’t a Jedi Master in Return Of The Jedi, even Yoda thought it was foolish to try and bring back Anakin. The only reason why Luke was about to attack Ben was because he saw a terrible future where his ENTIRE FAMILY is massacred but he even said he was foolish. Maybe if people were able to pay attention to the film they would understand. And just because I have a certain opinion doesn’t mean I’m not a REAL fan, I hate when people use that phrase, there is no such thing as a real fan but there are toxic fans who don’t think before they act and start to ruin actors careers and harass an actor so bad that the actor wanted to commit suicide, just because the toxic fandom wasn’t satisfied
@@TheGamerProBeardBro Dude you are reaching so fucking hard it's unbelievable. You are literally the toxic fandom and you aren't self aware enough to realise. Holy fuck.
@@TheGamerProBeardBro Wow where did you get all that information? In the side hustle disney books, or from the actual movies that people care about?
Unfortunately the new movie revealed his unusable x wing is now usable
Haha I legit laughed so hard when that happened. I guess visual dictionaries don't matter anymore 😂🤷♀️
@@ATATChat because the sequel trilogy is about two man baby directors fighting over their own precious shitty ideas
@This Dude That doesn't explain why I loved the prequels as soon as I saw them and love the originals even though they are dated but hate this shit. Don't try and put it down to just nostalgia dude, you're undermining the work of the man behind this series.. George Lucas.
@@DakkaDakkaDakkaWaagh Neither TFA or TLJ were shitty. Move along.
This Dude No one cares about your ego and you being a writer bud, AOTC is the definition of bad writing not the sequels. The scene when he makes the x wing rise is one of the most emotional scenes in ROS now move along!
This is an amazing take on the duel. I would like to add one thing: When they reveal that Luke is a projection, they use the imagery of him floating in the air on a mountaintop, meditating in the Lotus Position. This is the traditional divine imagery associated with Hindu deities like Vishnu and Shiva, or with Buddha. It's imagery that represents Enlightenment and divine power over all the elements and mastery of one's own life and destiny. He is physically and metaphorically in a higher place than Kylo Ren. That one shot is essentially communicating that Luke has achieved a sort of divine status, or God Mode, if you will. The whole concept of Force Projection represents the power of how even the mere image or symbol of a hero can defeat an entire army and the mightiest of enemies. It's a Godlike being sending the image of his most ideal form to save the lives of the few who will go on to save the lives of the many (Yes, I'm paraphrasing Star Trek on a Star Wars video). If you're going to tell me that this is Rian Johnson "disrespecting" Luke I really don't know what else to say. There's such attention to detail with this fight. I wish detractors would acknowledge that and maybe reconsider their stance.
Very great insight! Wow I wish that was added back in.
Absolutely, bro!!
Totally agree!!
So basically, what you're saying is.... he has the high ground?
word, everything u said is may favourite shit, and i wholeheartedly agree. the only other time that i've been this awe inspired by something, was when Neo dodged bullets in the matrix. Luke ascended to the level of Jedi wizard in this film, conjuring magic, mystifying the consciousnesses of all involved. And the fact that he's floating above the meditation rock, the force flowing through him so strongly, is this marvellous little detail that evokes floating Buddhist monks, or Pai-Mei levels of mastery. Bravo
Teacher: "Write about a movie scene you saw this year"
Me: "aww sweet"
Teacher: "Must be 2000 words"
Me: 'Kylo Ren Vs Luke Analyzed and Explained | Lightsaber Duels'
Walks away with 1600 dollars.
OMG, I have the same assignment due. I might do this scene
Wow wow wow
Wait if these kind of questions were possible, how would the teacher mark you? Do they have to watch the entire film?
Luke practically had mastered ultra instinct during this fight accept it wasnt an actual fight
Migatte no Gokui Luke needs to be a thing, man.
except
Loser. Luke never needed that lame stupid move.
kenpoarniceguy1 You need to stop being a bully. You literally have nice guy in your name, let’s try living up to it.
It was a fight. A real fight, a fight of minds. Samurai can defeat you in 1 to 3 moves, but it's not, cause he knows fancy moves. These moves are a mere tool, and the mind steers them. :D
I understand this duel and the meaning behind it. I just wished Luke acted more like this throughout more than half of the movie.
That's fair but it's what we got
It is called an CHARACTER ARC!
@@NeoConnor1 It's called character assassination lol. Luke went from not "dealing in absolutes" as in the OT, to dealing in absolutes early in TLJ, to not doing so again by the end of the film. None of these changes or transitions in Luke's character are developed.
I like that he had to go through a journey to get to this point. Otherwise, Luke would've left with Rey immediately and the entire movie would be so different. Arguably, the fact that Luke was a hermit on an island since the end of 7 would indicate that he isn't where he was mentally at the end of 6.
@@psychowookiee3706 dealing in absolutes, like the Chosen One, is a concept introduced in the prequel trilogy. Luke was always emotional and susceptible to the dark side, its why he almost killed his father. "Character assassination" more like you don't understand Luke.
Regarding Luke trolling Kylo, well, he _did_ learn from the best.
"Hello there!"
Hahaha!
Best Obi-Wan quote EVER!
You ARE a bold one....
While Obi-Wan certainly started the training, it was the ultimate troll who really trained Luke...Yoda.
@@wkndwarrior3532
You're forgetting that it was Obi-Wan that held a formal surrender negotiations meeting with a separatist leader just to buy time.
TLJ is still my favourite personally. It might not have been perfect, but its what SW sorely needed for me as a fan. New and unexpected shit that made you think. Not by the numbers and spelt out to me. If Rian still gets to do a from scratch trilogy, I will watch his career with great interest!
It’s not my favorite, but EASILY top 3 or 4. I just thought it was so refreshing to have something new, and actually do something different with Luke that made you realize “whoa... this guy is human”. And I really like that because it makes him more relatable.
Same here, brother, people are so attached to the image of Jedi violently fighting Sith to destroy each other for one must be right and the other must be wrong. Whatever Johnson did in the film open new aspects for the whole universe, not only that, his intention to humanize the characters such Luke and Kylo, and his unpredictable sense that replaced the typical cliche routine made me fall in love with the film.
i legit don't understand why people think TLJ is new and unexpected. Its the least original and creative star wars movie outside of TFA.
@@REDDAWNproject 🤣🤣🤣
TLJ is a strong contender for second place for me, after ANH
He analyzed this scene just like an English teacher would do with an old book
"See ya around, kid" made me cry because han said that.
I cried at Leia's death when chewie cried
Same lol
And it aged perfectly 😭
Kylo is knocked unconscious right at the moment the light saber splits, so I’m not sure he knows it is broken at this point... which, if he doesn’t, adds another layer to his rage because he thinks Rey brought the lightsaber to Luke so Luke could finish him off. He sees it as another betrayal.
Excellent point
@@gabemlee Don't you try to justify one of the many ridiculous scenes of this film. He didn't notice because it was a poorly written shit can of a scene.
@@damien2729 What? It's common for people who have been knocked unconscious to not remember what happened right before they blacked out, simply because the memory had no time to be stored in long-term memory. And even if he did remember it deep down, he was in such a sith-fueled rage that it makes total sense he wouldn't remember it was broken. Heck, even I didn't realize it on first viewing.
@@damien2729 -- hmmm boy it's not necessary to be so angry, didn't you learn anything from TLJ?
@@noahmugan354 i dont think he forgot because one of the pieces of the saber stayed in the room
I think this is the part where they show how strong luke was. Dude projected himself planets away, how about that
It is the strongest expression of the force that has ever been put on screen in canon. And it proved that, "luminous beings are we, not this crude matter."
It's not that impressive a feat Star wars wise and it's actually kinda terible considering the draw back is instant death
Kanan Jarrus fam
@@TheHaHaNinja yeah but for people crying about leia it's like thanos snap feat.....honestly I'm glad I actually read star wars
@@TheHaHaNinja he projected himself pretty much across the galaxy in real time. A projection so real he was able to interact with living objects, be seen and detected by mechanicals and fool other Force Users.
We have never seen a Force power in canon come close to that level of power.
It's people like you that make me appreciate the sequels more despite people's (aggressive) feelings about them. Granted even I think that Disney could've done better had they planned it out and used the tons of material that had instead of trying to make new material but still. It's because of you and several other Star Wars channels like you that make these films somehow shine more than what they can do alone.
Although not really a true duel in my mind, it is probably one of my favorite scenes for all the reasons you mentioned: the cinematography, the score, the emotions. Beautiful stuff.
And when he says “I’ve failed you”, it reminded me of when Obi Won said the same thing to Anakin when they fought.
Except Kenobi left his so calleda brother Anakin to burn to death. Some friend who survived Trial By Fire, Vader runs the Empire.
Jedi Luke watched Padmè die in emotional turmoil.
Enjoy my first deep dive into lightsaber duels! We begin with Luke vs Kylo Ren on CRAIT!
Edit: looks like canon changed again 🤷♀️
-ATAT
Luke vs Vader ROTJ!
Praetorian guards!! You’re already on a ST roll!
@@taylorinmon9323 already did it!
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Luke vs. Vader in TESB!
Didnt Han Solo say "See you around, Kid" to Luke in the original? And doesnt Luke say it with a Han Solo cadence?
Yep!
Weird because Luke isn’t a cocky character... also that shoulder flick... wtf?
This really was a good scene. It's too bad so much was wrong with the overall movie. I don't think Luke was saying it to be cocky. It was a way of expressing love for Ben Solo, and I do think the intention was to almost suggest Luke had Han with him and was channeling that paternal love.
@@Luke101 Really? Did you miss the opening of ROTJ when he is cocky with Jabba the hut regarding not underestimating his power? You can do better. Try to remember what happens in these movies. Being mad at a film is normal. Pretending that things never happened to demonstrate other personality traits is hilarious.
@@ATATChat how the hell was he being cocky? He was saying facts... Luke Skywalker is not an arrogant cocky smart ass, that’s literally what Han Solo is for. The most cocky line Luke has said was “you’ll find I’m full of surprises” to Vader. But by ROTJ he’s a much more composed individual. He’d never do this cringe shoulder flick. I think you’re the one having trouble...
Great fight! I love that you mentioned that Luke bringing the blue lightsaber with him instead of the green one was symbolic of him joining the Resistance and coming back to himself because he finally accepted the blue lightsaber he had rejected. I hadn't thought of that before, but it makes sense.
That was Anakin's light saber
This is one of those scenes that some fans fail too understand, so they hate on it. From my first viewing, I felt this was the most Jedi moment that Luke ever had and was also a call back to what Yoda said to Luke in The Empire Strikes Back, about using the Force for knowledge and defense, never for attack.
You analised this scene perfectly ;)
Oh come off your high horse. It's really insulting to insinuate that people who don't like it just don't get it. People understand the deeper themes of this movie(because honestly, it's really not that deep.). By this point in the movie, fans are suppose to believe that Luke has given up on the Jedi despite the fact that he changed what it meant to even be a Jedi in ROTJ. Therefore, Luke had no reason to be disillusioned by the Jedi or the Force. He was the answer to all the problems with Prequel Era Jedi. Luke was compassionate rather than stoic to those around him. Even his enemies. Doing this helped him succeed where no previous Jedi could. Now we're supposed to believe Luke almost kills his nephew in his sleep and then hides away on an island waiting to die because "the Force doesn't belong to the Jedi...?" This was never a thing Jedi believed. This movie *tries* it's best to deliver a thought provoking commentary on the Star Wars mythos but fails to understand it.
@@hysuka2 It's a fact, get over it. You obviously wanted Luke to be this all powerful fairytale Jedi who was perfect. All heroes have their faults.
@John Podmolik
I've had many discussions with people about this scene. They didn't have a clue about what was discussed in this video. None whatsoever.
@@Phantom-hy2ix I hate when apologist such as yourself say things such as we want luke to be an "all powerful jedi" or something alluding to that. No one wants that. All we wanted was a cool lightsaber fight showing off what luke has learned over the past 30 years. The EU portrayed him to be OP because he trained extensively for a long period of time so naturally fans wanted to see that in this movie. It was disappointing to see not only that but the fact that luke up until this point wasnt even luke
@@elijahlee3610 *sigh* again... they enjoyed something and they are analyzing why... must everything be about you and your opinion?
I like the duel, but hated that this is how Luke would die. I did not like the Last Jedi, but your analysis did make this scene more enjoyable.
I kind of liked it, but ya, he made the scene much better
The scene is what it is. He only explained it.
The dead of luke is also the best way to kill this hero. I cant think of a better dead.
It is a great movie, but people dont get it. Their opinion are moved by hate, like Kylo, and dont stop to think in what a great scrip this movie has.
They hate the fact that they are not watching what they where expecting. That is so sad...
@@mrpix3l_colorist the dislike of this movie isn't solely because of hate or the subversion of expectations, it just want a good star wars film. The movie had stunning visual effects and was well directed, but was crap from a story perspective and I dont have to like it.
@@mrpix3l_colorist You are stupid if you think this was the best way Luke could die, this movie is complete garbage storywise.
Helí Suárez how nice of you to dismiss legitimate criticism as just hate... right
This duel reminds me of the feelings from the final duel of Ben Kenobi and Maul. Well played Disney
“Completely unusable x-wing”...
My favorite part about it is that while Kylo is very aggressive throughout the fight, Luke seems to be in a Zen-like state, his eyes full of guilt and wisdom, not unlike his master Yoda. Not to mention Luke only used his lightsaber to defend and not attack
Exactly. He's so in tune.
People use that phrase a bit too literally. It basically means you shouldn't be starting fights or abusing your power. While defending something you have to attack what's threatening it dont you?
@@elijahlee3610 -- yes, and Yoda and Luke have both fought and killed many. but i think this duel was the phrase taken to its ultimate conclusion - Luke fulfilling the most principled lesson a Jedi could learn, in the most epic way possible. so i'm okay with the interpretation!
@@feastmode7931 epic? He died from a force Skype call with kylo. EU luke fought in 4 wars, rebuilt the jedi order, was exiled, accepted punishment for events not his fault for peace and ultimately became the force. Yet you call anything this luke has done epic?
@@elijahlee3610 bro don't you know anything EU is stories told, events that never happened. those 4 wars you talk about didn't happen. don't like it become a billionaire by the franchise and change the story.
The Last Jedi has issues. But this scene is incredible.
What issues does TLJ have?
@@i-deni-i5138 a lot
@@erickandrade8660 yeah tell me the specifics.
@@i-deni-i5138 In terms of structure, there's quite a bit of issues (sudden change in tone here and there), but to me this movie, despite its flaws was the most emotional of them all.
@@supreme_leader5135 there really should've been a time skip
The death of Luke in this film is perfect he died in front of the twin suns exactly how he was presented in 1977 in ANH
Kylo:attacks
Luke:*uses naruto run to dodge*
Kylo:gets more scared
Great video man! Long and deep. I can't wait for the rest of them
Only creative people like you can make this movie look good and that’s a compliment
Its a good movie
No. He's overanalyzing a simple scene in a mediocre movie.
@@fupalover Mediocre movie with a better story than ROTS.
@@SynneDennis better acting too. The script for ROTS was terrible.
I'll agree this fight is absolutely genius and the most beautiful death I could offer Luke
I'm sorry, but as a Hema practitioner, comparing somebody who runs at his enemy with his blade behind his body leaving his entire body exposed to opposing strikes to Kendo is a disgrace. He swings the lightsaber around like its a stick, one handed with no control over his blade fueled by rage and aggression. In the original trilogy we learned that a lightsaber is a powerful weapon which most of the time is to be used two handed, and kylo just swings this unstable saber around like its nothing. The rest of your analysis really opened up my eyes on this movie tho, great vid.
Actually if anything your supposed to use lightsabers one handed (for duels) since there is no need to put force into swinging. Just look at makashi form for example. But I agree how he swings very aggressive and not smart. You should be keeping distance as if you were wielding a rapier
That's just another example of how his rage clouds his judgement and leads him to do irrational things.
Also the fact that Luke doesn't even think to hit him is another representation of how he doesn't really want to fight Ben.
Yall both missed this guys point, the video inaccurately compares the lightsaber fighting kylo uses with kendo
Spykez R6 I mean he’s still a very good fighter but it’s just that seeing Luke made him full of rage and didn’t focus on anything but to kill him
Heh I thought the same thing. I was like "kendo!? How? Those moves were a travesty to all forms of swordsmanship. Winding back that *weightless* lightsaber blade with one hand and no momentum is just pure show. There's no strength behind it, just openings"
Imagine, using two hands for that attack. Potentially more force and better precision and with the momentum behind a two handed strike, you could technically maintain that power while swapping to a one handed grip for an unexpected follow up attack.
2:37 That shot, and the wide long at 2:43 were inspired by a Ralph McQuarrie painting of a Probot that Rian loved.
"Most real and raw in the whole saga."
Obi-Wan VS Anikan on Mustafar- Am I a joke to you?
That duel is amazing. But it's like a video game at certain points and egregiously flashy (but I like that about that specific duel). This fight felt bare bones with some minor edit tricks.
@@ATATChat The detail is that Anakin and Obi Wan was predicting each other. That's why they kept twirling their lightsabers.
@@itsokgames ok
Jacterloch 007 that duel sucks ass. Real talk. Obi Wan just goes straight into fighting. Barely even tried to save Anakin. He didn’t appeal to him on an emotional level at all- basically just said “lmao wtf you doin bro” then was like “aight well guess you better die”
AT-AT Chat I agree and I do love Luke vs Kyle Ren, however I guess I’m just a prequel fan. The dialogue is so deep but I understand that this is an emotional fight.
The Sequel Trilogy is a series of awesome scenes stuck together by old, failing glue.
Definitely would agree with tros
@@ATATChat A month has passed and you're still reading and replying to comments on this video? Respect.
Sidious gives the firmest old glue I ever seen in TROS imo xD
TBH, I'd describe the entire saga like that.
@@genericgamer9910 People don't want to see "their" old films this way but Star Wars is a pretty crappy franchise if you look at it in very critical lenses.
Reminds me of the last fight between maul and Obiwan
8:04 when he said “i have failed you.” reminded me of episode 3 when obj wan said “i have failed you anakin”
Finally someone who really appreciates how awesome this scene was. My favorite of the movie personally.
Listen, I'm going to be honest here -- I am in a state of actual mourning. Not only is The Last Jedi my favorite Star Wars film, it is possibly my favorite film, ever. I left the theatre dazzled and wonderstruck and moved to my core, and that feeling remained for two years. The more I went on to pick it apart, the more I found; every detail so deeply considered, every symbol weight bearing, an exquisite clockwork of a film. I feel foolish now for ever having thought it could be equaled, for having been so excited to view another instalment of something so good, and now looking forward at little more than eternity crying out my worship for a thing castaway on a sea of complaints that entirely miss the point. All of this is just a preamble to say, thank you for considering an artwork with open mind, thank you for lovingly admiring it's little details, for giving it even a little time and dignity.
I too have learned and been impressed by new things in Last Jedi over the last 2 years. It just gets more terrific as time passes.
Which is incredibly heartbreaking considering that JJ takes some heeds from 'fans' too seriously, ultimately producing a hollow, cowardly trilogy capper that retcon many of the best moments and nuances from The Last Jedi.
What a pathetic ramble.
This video really blew up! :D
It's insane
Just didn't like the film as a whole, but that duel was shot well.
UNDER THE LIGHT theres alot of well shot and great moments in the film. Prior to this scene, I loved when Luke met Leia and he told her “no one’s really ever gone”. Also a fantastic scene
@@karimzakaria9621 yep, and that _unexplained_ charm he gave to her
Lightsaber duels are more than swinging sticks at one another. They're supposed to mean something, a main idea to a short story, a mini film itself. It's more than what anyone thinks
It is one of the reasons why I feel the OT duels are superior to the Prequels. Because of that arc and communication between characters as the duel moves forward.
A. The old lightsaber fights did that as well as be entertaining and B. The message this one could've told is significantly better than the one actually told. Luke here just comes off as a cocky bastard who taunts and humiliates Kylo until he finally just leaves and dies on a rock. He instills no hope or anything into him, he just calls him a damn kid and then dies. This scene was absolute garbage in that way if I use the same analytical techniques he uses.
“There is no way for Luke to leave”
Me: *remembers that Rey leaves the planet on HIS X-Wing* huh... idk about that
"This isn't anime folks" followed by 3:28
The joke tells itself
Star Wars has always taken a large inspiration from Samurai films and this scene is the most evident of that fact.
This scene and the Chirrut Imwe vs Storm-troopers scene in Rogue One are two of the best modern interpretations of Samurai battles in film.
That's my 2nd favorite scene in that film
yes, i so got that sense thinking about this duel.
ZBH PREACH, since Seven Samurai/etc :).
i wonder about the 2nd and 3rd film why they made dueling movement so fast and fancy style compare kendo itself?.. jedi flip or no flip its okay but fast and fancy light movement?.. i like fancy movement dueling but its look like as they hold lightsaber was a kids toy and unreal
Slight correction. That’s the western view of what we believe Samurai to be.
I remember seeing this in theaters and every time Kylo strikes at Luke my heart was in my throat.
How'd you feel when Kylo sliced straight through Luke? 😂
where am i I was confused and then they showed Luke levitated in meditation on the rock, and my mind was blown
This might just be my favorite star wars moment ever, haters be damned
Still one of my favorite Star Wars films of all time. Great analysis. This duel became everything I "didn't know" I wanted to see. This was emotionally impactful and yes, VERY Jedi like per Yoda's training. "Never for attack...always defense." I personally wish they expanded what Johnson established into Rise of Skywalker.
Luke Skywalker. The last of the "old" Jedi, and also the best.
"I failed you, Ben. I'm sorry...."
*Blinks back a tear.*
I like to think that the "No" from Kylo after the reveal that Luke is force projecting is a feeling of dread at the realization that his uncle will die from using this technique. It doesn't sound like a "no" of anger that he's been duped. There is a bit of pain in that delivery. Kylo is killing his family and it's painful for him. It's why he hesitates firing those missiles at his mother. Perhaps if Kylo is really afraid of something, then it more than likely would be the loss of his family.
When kylo cut thru luke and nothing happend..I thought Luke was invincibil
I love it when you note the small, yet IMPORTANT details that make a scene better
I get more out of this scene the more I watch it. I love it. And I'll admit, I was a little thrown off watching for the first time in the theater. But watching Luke take responsibility and apologize to Ben instead of pointing the finger at all of his mistakes is so dang powerful.
Rose Cocca so this is a whole OT/ PT rip off.
Great what another waste of time.
Young BlackEasy18 really when prove? Huh TFA being exactly like ANH, TLJ being exactly like ESB and they tried to remake the Jedi temple march but they did it horribly. And the list goes on. What’s next TROS BEING THE REMAKE OF ROTJ?
The scene makes sense with the story arc Ryan Johnson gave Luke... the problem lies in that arc he gave him that lead up to this scene. THAT is what was truly the problem... And a lot of other decisions Ryan made...
New series? Hell yes!!!!
This fight was a lot like the Obi-Wan vs Maul fight from Rebels
I absolutely agree. Masters don't need twenty five rotating blades:P
Those stupid twirling light saber battles are ridiculous. This was great. Last Jedi wasn't all that bad except for that moronic casino planet scene. But this was by far the best part of the movie.
Very one sided.
Except it wasn't a fight
@@antoniosalcedo7112 Going to press X to doubt on that one
I will now rewatch this film with a different approach and mindset. I did not like it the first and only time I watched it, but now after watching this, things make more sense
“Completely unusable x wing”
*John Cena pulls back green screen*
“Are you sure about that”
THANK YOU! Someone gets that this fight was also a family argument/feud. Luke was there to save his family, which included his nephew that he once wronged. He died a hero for learning from his mistakes and trying to right a wrong with those he loved.
Is there something that I haven't grasped about lightsabers? Why does everyone make the argument that Kylo should have noticed that Luke was using Anakin's lightsaber? The only distinctive portion is the hilt, which is usually obscured by the wielders hands, and blue is a pretty damn common color for a Jedi's saber; how would he have noticed?
Also I believe he’s so enraged he’s not really thinking clearly. Why would he just randomly be checking what lightsaber he’s using?
You two are both right. Its literally just people grasping at anything they can find
My favorite thing about this duel, the fact that it isn’t a fight. Luke is simply dodging. Not attacking, just dodging. I just really love it.
Absolutely loved it! I can't wait to see more of these. After watching the video and your analysis really made me look at this fight differently. Been loving your videos lately :)
Wow, this video was AMAZING!!
I agree, there’s not nearly enough coverage of this duel between Kylo and Luke.
Excellent job, AT-ATChat
“Completely unusable x-wing”
Me who’s seen rise of sky walker: ...
But I consulted Canon books!!!!! Jk retcons happen 🙏
he force healed the x-wing
@@ATATChat no, rey fixed it with knowledge from rose.
In the Rise of Skywalker novelization, it's stated prettt bluntly that Rey used parts from Kylo's TIE and other things she could scrounge up from the village, as well as her skills from her time on Jakku, to fix up the X-Wing.
Watching this made me appreciate this movie and duel so much more, great video definitely earned a like, keep it up 👍👌
This was a stellar analysis of the fight. It’s emotional stakes that capture me during these fights. This is one of my favorite fights of the entire saga.
It's great. Thanks missconduct!
AT-AT Chat you’re welcome. I’ve always viewed it though as Luke sacrificing himself not only for his sister and the resistance but for Ben Solo’s sake also. I think he did it so Leia could escape but also so he could try and reach her son without causing the child more psychological damage than he already had. I’m still stuck on that quote from Resistance Reborn “no one can save Ben but himself.” DONT get me wrong I don’t think Luke was trying to “save” Ben in that moment, but allowing him to let out his rage with no consequences and he died doing it. That had to mean something to Ben Solo not Kylo Ren but Ben Solo Leia and Han’s son.
Except it's not a duel. Aaand Anakin v Obi-wan is the most epic fight ever
One of the reasons why I think the Duel in Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi are far superior to the prequel fights is the context and communication between the characters as they battle.
We get that in this too.
Ben Solo's rage and anger, lashing out to try and destroy his past, and Luke accepting his mistake, and making amends to it.
It was a powerful scene.
@@daleludtke7803 Saw a similar mention of fights not as just action scenes but plot and character points when someone was doing a breakdown of Pirates of the Caribbean. Just all the character notes in the fight between Jack and Will in Will's Blacksmith shop. Nice sword! I forged it myself. etc.
This is why Last Jedi is probably, along with Empire, the most mature SW movie ever. I'm not saying "the best" storywise or cibematography-wise, but the most "adult". This duel is a confirmation of how deep Rian Johnson managed to go with the characters and their relationships, as much as he wanted to play with the imagery of the saga. He said: "Let's take the classic duel moment and transform it in something deeper and unique". No surprise a lot of fans got angry with this. But definitively this is what the movie needed.
I don't see how you can say that TLJ isn't the best cinematography wise. It unequivocally is the most beautiful Star Wars movie. At least in my, and a lot of other people's, eyes.
Rogue one showed thr cruelty of war and had the whole cast die. Revenge of the sith showed a man literally burning alive. This film shows you an emo kid fighting a ghost and you call it adult? Lol get out
@@pseudonymousbeing987 it is. The sfx, vfx, and although most of the imagery is copied it still is improved upon. However theres a lot more to a movie than cinematography like that little thing called STORY
@@elijahlee3610 Yes. This movie showed just an emo kid, not a story about regret and forgiving, about how the world never tells you the truth you wanna hear, about accepting failure, about trusting the others and not only your ego. Oh, i quite forgot: a movie that clearly says that behind good and evil there's only money.
By the way, with "adult content" I was not referring to the graphic violence. If you base your judgement about how much "adult" a movie is only on the violence it shows, then you're truly immature.
@@andreaconti9927 the connotation of the term "adult content" usually alludes to graphic content, however I was referring to both graphic content and hidden gems. Rogue one is the more adult film in terms of themes as well as graphic content. Revenge of the sith is a more adult film mosty because it's a tragedy.
"A story about regret and forgiving" sounds a little like ep6. Difference is ep6 didnt ruin the lore surrounding its predecessors. "About how the world never tells you the truth you want to hear" sounds like anakin's arc, except his had actual weight. "About accepting failure" literally all of star wars. In Luke's case the failures he suffered through shouldn't have happened in the first place. The way you describe these basic narrative attributes seems pretty pretentious as it can be done to nearly any movie good or bad. Finding Nemo, a story about regret and forgiving. Shark tale, a story about how the world never tells the truth you want to hear. Speed racer a story about accepting failure. Incredibles 2 a story of trusting others and not only yourself.
In any case its amusing to see apologists try to find deeper meaning in these films, dogmatically preach of it, and call those who dont agree immature or ignorant. This isnt an edger Allen poe poem, this is star wars, a franchise where wizards fight each other with telekinesis and laser swords. Star wars in itself is a basic concept, finding deeper meaning may add a level of depth and enjoyment but still doesnt change what star wars essentially is nor does it compensate for the fundamentally broken plot the movie in question possesses.
You have missed the perfect opportunity to put a “Force-shadow” pun in. Jokes aside, nice analysis, I once thought the same thing, how can someone walks on this field without leaving a trail behind. You take this to another level.
This duel is the most underrated in all of Star Wars. It is beautiful and perfectly understands the characters, there is so much emotional conflict.
I love Duel of the Fates, but how am I meant to care about any of the people fighting in it when we don't even know their motivations apart from "they're enemies"
Way better than Shadiversity's series. He is way too critical of the Sequels and it honestly gets incredibly annoying when he critiques a massive battle between 10 people and praises a battle between two. Choreography obviously isn't going to look as good with 10 people and it's also not ment to be paused and slowed down every few seconds. Same case with between two.
I'm guessing maybe AOTC? It can get a little frantic in the edit room trying to convey the scale of battle. That's my biggest hang-up in AOTC but some of the beats, like mace decapitating jengo is 💰.
@Snehil Shrey I totally agree. Shadiversity thinks that everything needs to be historically accurate in terms of lightsaber fighting. Its not real, and he should honestly chill out.
@@isharkyshark3974 the disappearing dagger in the throne room fight is still embarrassing though....
@@Argameus I guess, but I don't care too much tbh.
@@isharkyshark3974 here's an apologist that cant accept reality. When Shadversity reviewed the fights he was taking into account the flashy aspect of the fight. He knew that star wars doesnt follow real world styles closely and thus only criticized mistakes in the choreography or editing. For instance real world or not there is no reason why your second weapon should disappear when its convenient for the plot. Unless it's one of Rey's new force abilities to make things go away. Real world or not there should be no reason why when your opponents back is exposed you spin again to give them time to see you. Real world or not there should be no reason why kicking 1 person causes all enemies in the surrounding area to feel the kick as well. Real world or not there should be no reason why people should choke themselves to make sure a grapple looks realistic. Real world or not there should be no reason why random swinging actually manages to fit trained guards. The prequels may be flashy but shadversity critically reviewed battle of heroes in the same fashion and called quite a number of things stupid but he still overall deemed it a better fight because there are less mistakes and the choreography makes sense within universe.
The more videos I see about this movie in a positive light, the more my mind changes about said film (for the better).
This is an awesome video. Strong work on it. There are def some little things I missed that you explained very thoroughly. Keep up the content!
“Completely unusable x-wing” if only they knew😂
Yea I was surprised JJ did that. Both visual dictionaries and novels say his XWing is unusable. 🤷♀️ Movies will movie!
This entire encounter is the one thing I actually liked about The Last Jedi.
Yeah. Even the ppl who I know hate this with a passion love how this scene was done. Especially how luke died with the twin suns reminiscent of that one scene from a new hope
@@bobbyshewan4229 so true.
@@KorgCrimson also yeah obligatory I do like this movie but I respect that you don't lol
@@bobbyshewan4229 fair enough. You got a chunk of respect from me as well just for being openminded. That is such a rare trait anymore.
@@KorgCrimson I feel you man. Especially with this franchise where ppl just tend to fight over shit for no reason lol. Overall I do like this movie but I'm not gonna deny that it's also pretty fucking stupid sometimes. At the end of the day it's just a matter of perspective ig.
Great analysis I’d love to see the Darth Maul light saber duel analysis. Amazing video AT-AT I enjoy your quality
That's a good analysis of the fight and it fits in so well with the whole story. Well done. Cheers...😉😁
Please keep on with this series! I’m loving it!
“Completely unusable X-Wing”
Oh buddy have I got some news for you..
😂😂😂
Great video!
Outstanding breakdown of this scene. I didn't come close to putting this much thought into it. Job well done, you're going in the right direction with this!