Miyoo A30 Review: The Next Miyoo Mini?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 10 พ.ค. 2024
- Miyoo's next device is finally here, and it's a horizontal candy bar handheld called the A30. It features a more powerful chip than the beloved Miyoo Mini, with the same pocketable size. Let's take a look at its strengths and shortcomings, to see if it's a good match for you.
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Timestamps:
00:00 introduction
01:35 specs and price
03:10 unboxing and impressions
04:20 controls and I/O
13:25 size and weight
16:23 software and screen
23:39 game testing
30:09 summary (likes and dislikes)
33:44 Bittboy and Miyoo comparisons
36:44 Anbernic RG28XX comparison
38:11 conclusion
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Update: I took a look at the Miyoo A30 again this morning, and noticed that Miyoo has the Normal2x filter applied on the default SNES core (without setting bilinear filtering on, which is necessary for that filter to even take effect). I didn't investigate this when making my review because my assumption was that they underclocked the CPU to avoid heat issues, and so in order to normalize performance I increased the CPU clock speed. Removing the Normal2x filter fixes performance on games like Mega Man X with their default CPU clock setting.
Either way, this is another indication that the A30 could be greatly improved by more precise configurations from a custom firmware team. The A30's CPU should be about on par with RK3326 devices when properly optimized.
it's not good that optimization should always be up to other people.
After the success of the Mini, they needed to do better, a better dpad and better overall optimization
Huge props to Russ. For me he's basically been the face of this hobby. These companies owe a lot to him for putting the spotlight on their products in such a professional and accessible way.
100%
agreed
His videos convinced me that the Retroid 4 pro was worth the price tag and. When I got it, I felt like he completely under sold its potential because it's even better than I was expecting and if you can under sell the worth of the product, have the customer want it so bad they are checking the tracking daily, and leave that customer feeling like a kid on Christmas morning because they got more than they were expecting, you're a helluva salesman. Even Retroid points to his setup guide for new customers like me. That's how thorough he is. And yet he has never compromised the integrity of his reviews. A class act in the tech/gaming space.
100 percent! Russ through his videos has sold me a lot of different consoles!
Yep.
This video came out 4 minutes ago and theres an article quoting Russ already.
gotta be AI lol
Ok 🤖
Perhaps both were under an embargo agreement (get the device early in return for agreeing not to release the review until a certain date) and russ collaborated with them on the understanding both would go live at once
@@Autotrope maybe not, there were some reviews in the wild and even some early orders a few days ago
I feel like the RG35XX-H should be compared to this, as you can RIGHT NOW get the RG35XX-H for less money, and it's better is EVERY SINGLE WAY, except size, but I would argue the 35-H size is better for most adult hands. And if you are REALLY set on getting a MICRO device, therefore the RG35-H would NOT work... the TrimUI and GKD Pixel are more the move. I don't think this thing deserves anyone's time... But incredible video as per normal Russ! Thank you.
Why are trimui and pixel better?
None of these devices have a control stick.....
@@stfn4472what are you smoking? Rg35xx H has two control sticks...
@yaboirairai My mistake, but I still think the RG35XX-H is terribly designed. Why make a console capable of N64+ and then put the D-Pad on top of the Left C-Stick in the button layout? Such a simple missed opportunity that could've made it the best handheld on the market.
"You should probably grab a snack and drink for this one"
**checks playtime** oh ok, brb Russ
He rarely uploads a video under 20 minutes and I'm here for it :D
I think he says that so you don't have to check the time... you know it's gonna be a long one.
Russ better be getting kick-backs for all these snacks we're eating
I'm waiting for the flip, personally. I was hoping this would be a good device, though. I'm rooting for Miyoo. Unfortunately, it sounds like it has a number of issues.
This makes me really worried about Flip tho, hope it has better hardware... I waited for it for so long and it will be huge disappointment if it has the same performances issues
It's not incapable of charging from a USB-C charging brick, but you've clearly demonstrated that it's incompatible with USB-PD voltage negotiation, which those low output chargers are unlikely to have (they might support a higher voltage like 9V or even 12V but likely won't be PD chargers). This is a serious and baffling oversight as all it takes to fix this for Miyoo is to add two tiny 5.1k resistors on the PCB pulling pins CC1 and CC2 to ground - if those resistors are present, any PD charger will output 5V (up to 3A). If they aren't, and the PD handshake isn't completed, a PD charger will output no voltage at all. This would cost them less than a cent in BOM cost and would require a few square millimetres of board space. In 2024, this is an unforgivable oversight.
As for using the Genki BT adapter, that works as a USB headphone, which requires interfacing with the OS (which the Switch supports for it and other USB headphones). Most likely this port either lacks OTG functionality entirely, or the OS just doesn't enable it without some sort of mod (or, at best, a setting). If it had support but the OS lacked generic USB headphone drivers or similar, it would still power up. Most likely the adapter they're bundling is a passive adapter that simply passes an analog audio signal generated internally through to the 3.5mm plug using some of the USB-C connector's pins - as some early USB-C smartphones did. And, to be clear, this is also an incredibly shitty solution to a solved problem, and speaks to lazy software/OS design at the very least.
Edit after finishing the video: tbh, this feels like a strangely dated design. The ancient SoC is kind of acceptable at a very low price point (though you can get far better performance at just a few tens of dollars more), the lack of USB headphone support (and seemingly any and all OTG support), the low quality screen, the lack of PD charging support ... it all has a mid-2010s feeling to me, tbh. No, there weren't many handhelds like this around at that time, but this is still the level of quality I'd expect back then, not now. Far, far, far too many flaws - some of them unfixable without serious hardware revisions - to be acceptable launching in 2024.
Great breakdown of the issues. One small oversight, there is no 3.5mm headphone jack. They could have just ran the analog audio from the speaker lines, but that would still be mono. Very strange choices indeed.
Thanks for the breakdown, I am usually just hacking away at these things without truly understanding what is going on, so I appreciate these insights.
@@charliebrownbat I meant from the USB port to the jack on the adapter - I guess that could have been more clear. And yeah, that's my guess: that they're generating the analog signal internally (it being mono even points towards it possibly being the exact same signal sent to the speaker) and feeding it through some of the alt mode lines of the USB-C connector (or, of course, going for a non-compliant USB-C implementation and using, say, the USB 2.0 data lines for audio). Should be pretty easy to figure out exactly what's going on with one of those USB-C breakout boards and a stub of a 3.5mm audio cable with exposed wires.
@@Kraaketaerthe lack of resistors seems to be a widespread problem witb this class of device. I have a fair number of them and none of them seem to have usb pd charging capability. It's incredibly irritatiing to not be able to use some big fraction of my chargers with these things.
The analog type c passthrough is actually also being used as a form of hardware DRM now. Its hard as hell to find an analogue passthrough dongle, so dyson, who makes a thousand dollar pair of headphones, uses analog passthrough for their "proprietary" audio cable and sell it separately. I discovered this when trying an old analogue passthrough type c dongle with a 3.5mm cable, lol.
Personally, the lack of a proper headphone jack is a dealbreaker. Im sick of dongles. Bring back the headphone jack on EVERYTHING.
Can't say that I'm impressed with the RG28xx or Miyoo A30. Both look like a lackluster experience.
The minute Russ said 'rotated panel', I thought 'just spend a little more and get something much better.'
Been hitting refresh on TH-cam all day waiting on this! I already ordered the RG28XX, glad to hear you like it better.
Same. Ordered the RG28XX this morning and pre-ordered the A30 through keep retro. Been checking youtube all day for the video.
Same here! That Lava Orange
I love the way the A30 looks, but between the iffy build quality of their previous handhelds and not wanting a joystick in my pocket, I went with the Rg28xx.
@@PeezyPurpi agree. The orange is a good looking little handheld.
I just wish the rg 28XX had a thumb stick :/
Shame about the mediocre dpad. The miyoo mini models had the dpad for any sub 100 device, so this is a big step back for them that I hope they correct.
Any old retro handheld needs to nail that d-pad. It's one the things manufacturers should have solved by now.
I want one but I’ll wait for the flip tbh.
Me too, but after seeing the flaws with the A30, I'm nervous about the state of the Flip on release. Fingers crossed the Flip is a winner.
Seeing then flip videos aboutnpossible design got me to dig out mynold SP and remember it's nostalgia not function that makes me want to play it again.
@@Telerian3some people really like Clamshell consoles tho including myself. I never had SP, but always considered DS consoles as well as early GPD's really neat devices
@@nickd6673 the flip won’t be able to play n64-dreamcast-psp.
it’s going to have the same chip set as the miyoo mini.
so the A30 will still be better. Just need the onion OS team to make onion for the A30 and it will run smoothe.
If it does not pass the Contra test, it is a deal breaker 🙂
Agreed! Solid controls is my #1 priority for a new device. To me it doesn’t matter much how powerful it is if I can’t even play Mario accurately/comfortably
Yeap!
I wonder if that would be solved with electrical tape like other devices.
Super disappointing
That's why I hate Anbernic devices, but I wasn't expecting it from Miyoo
I can’t quantify how disappointed I am to hear about the lackluster performance of this device. I was so excited for this one. But I do appreciate your integrity to bring us the truth. Thank you.
I never clicked faster
Same
I’ve been waiting all day lol😂
Same, I just went “oooh” when I saw the thumbnail
I clicked faster once… but not by much 😬
HAHA, me too!!
So disappointed that they messed up the d-pad...it was the one thing I didn't think we'd have to worry about. It really feels like they would have been better off using the Mini/Mini+ chip in this. Hopefully Onion or someone can save this device.
That really irks me. Decent d-pads are a baseline requirement to me.
Finally! Been waiting all day! The community really appreciates your work!
Thank you for another great review, it really makes me happy every time a new video is posted and also thank you for your honesty in every video, it really makes the difference.
Bro you put out such good detailed content.
I was so excited for the A30. To hear that its not the evolutionary next step from the mini or plus. Really took the wind out of my sails.
I like your in depth reviews of pretty much every device that hits the market. Thanks for making these
My Miyoo Mini White battery lasts between 6 to 7 hours sometimes even more... Mixing from GB/GBC/GBA to Neo Geo and PS1. 2600MAh with 2.8" inch screen won't be doing miracles.
Was wondering how I'd waste time till my next meeting, and boom. New video for a device I don't need but will read about anyways, lol. Love the videos.
Thanks for the review. I love my Miyoo Mini Plus and I’m definitely going to hold off on this one. Maybe they’ll fix the problems!
Thanks for doing the Contra test early on. Sadly failing the Contra test is a deal breaker for me.
it really nails the look of a Nintendo Game&Watch from the 80s
Closer to a Game Boy Micro. The last Game Boy Advance before the Nintendo DS.
@@futaris in size maybe.. but not looks
Closer to a Famicom joypad.
Mono sound on the headphones is crazy. Wonder if a new OS can change that.
Right? What is this, 1985.
Could be a bad dongle DAC, or just that they didn't implement the switch from mono (speaker) to stereo (dongle) when connected. I bet it's software.
@@turnbasedtoddy7664 even the Original GameBoy had stereo headphones lol
@@714SNF haha! True!
@@714SNFI was going to mention this.
Great review! This is exactly what I wanted to know! Appreciate you!
Already ordered from your post! Thanks
The video I've been waiting for! You're the only source I trust!
Amazing and very informative video as always, Russ! Thanks so much for creating it! ♥️
My pleasure!
If the makers of Miyoo mini continue like this, they will be the top handheld brand. I have tested a bunch of handhelds and my original V2 myioo mini is just AMAZING. Never had an issue with it.
Let's go🔥Man you got that quick👌🏾 I am really unsure about the A30 to be honest, unless we are happy playing the more light weight systems on it. But let's not forget the price point so we can't be too upset with it.
Fantastic video as always 🔥🔥👌🏾
Keep making these awesome reviews. They make a world of a difference compared to other TH-camrs. 👍🏻
Hey Russ,
Great video, as always. Love your MM+ stuff.
Most minor comment but you said audibly the battery is 2500mAh but the overlay says 2600.
So close to my dream handheld. Will continue to be patient and wait for someone to finally nail it. I basically want the GKD Pixel but with the horizontal layout >,>
Youve convinced me to buy... The RG28XX!!
Thanks for another indepth review Russ.
Test Rg28xx's shoulder key and d-pad ... Yuo should
Haha, me too! Imma wait for the SP about to come out, but I’m pretty much sold on the 28xx now. 🍻
Thanks for the video Russ, extremely good review as always. I was really hyped for the A30 for a while but the performance looks really dissapointing right now. I have a 35XX H and planning to change it to a more pocketable handheld to replace my Trimui Smart, thanks to your videos I decided to go for the 28XX instead
Props to you Russ, you really showed to be unbiased when its comes to your reviews/impressions.
For me the appeal of the miyoo mini was how it looks like a modern gameboy, the screen ia bigger than normal, with small bezels and the design is just beautiful. The a30 just looks like an old handheld, and honestly the thing that looks the most "modern" about it is not having a headphone jack
I just got the RG35XXH in the mail. so definitely won't get this, but also these reviews are top-notch, so of course I'm still going to watch the heck out of this.
Also, where did you get that what appears to be an ROG Ally pillow? That looks awesome.
Thanks for watching regardless! Yeah it’s an ROG Ally pillow, they gave it to me when I visited their booth at CES earlier this year.
Good to see Anbernic get a win with their device. I love both companies but competition will only give us better products.
Huge props on the Dismemberment Plan shirt, awesome band from an awesome era.
They were really great live.
Dang that thing looks so good i have a miyoo and ill be adding this to my collection
It seems like every small handheld that comes out always has a compromise. Great Video. 👍🏽
I don’t even need a new handheld anymore I just enjoy getting a snack and drink and listening to Russ talk so I watch his videos
The d pad makes and breaks these handhelds next its the buttons and screen
Would love this Device with 3:2 Aspect ratio
Oh man, I should’ve waited for the review, I just assumed this was going to be the miyoo mini but horizontal 😱
Keep Retro is no "piece of mind" to me. Had ordered an OG Miyoo Mini from them when it came out, and they totally boned me. Never got my order and all they did was offer a discount on ordering another one.
Poop :(
WTF they scammed you basically
Did you get a tracking order number?
Keepretro is a dropshipping website, just don’t get fooled
@@Tonno7 IF he didn't get this money back for the first unit. I'm not sure that's the case from reading the OP
All they had to do was put the V4 guts in the horizontal body, and it would’ve been great
Good to see the Pocket-Go appearing on the channel after all these years, mine is still here alive and kicking.
The battery from my RG353V is starting to deteriorate, so I am kinda itching to get a new handheld. When I saw the announcement of this device I was like "Yeap, I wanna do it".
But after watching the review, I'm gonna hold back for a moment. Looking forward to maybe seeing OnionOS coming to this device, or maybe a firmware update that would fix the few shortcomings that it has due to optimizations...
All in all, thank you so much Russ for making my experience in retro gaming a fun and wonderful one...the nostalgia is priceless!
All in all, thanks for making my experience
I love hearing your intro everday!
No headphone jack is a deal breaker. Especially with the mono speaker
Another great video, thank you!!
Thanks again for great content ,Russ.
Had much expectation for this but I’ll stick to my 35xx plus & H for now.!
Spaces go behind a comma, not in front, and you don't put a period before an exclamation mark.
Yes!! I’ve been waiting for this one
Thank you very much for your professional review, i think i will go for anbernic this round.
P.s. if you are thinking to go with wireless audio, maybe try 3.5mm audio to fm radio adaptor, sound quality is not the best, but still very good.
The RG28XX seems better to me, particularly in aesthetics
I like the aesthetics of this but the hardware is a huge letdown
I agree but those RG28XX buttons look so tiny.
I think I’ll wait for round 2. Both companies will refresh in a matter of months 😂
I disagree I like the button shape and layout of the A30 much more, but the chipset inside the 28XX is definitely better. It’s a shame they weren’t combined
@@pobbityboppity1110 yes the buttons are a big problem even tho they actually fit aesthetically they just won't be good to use
@@Angultra Interesting, I think they shouldn't include an analog stick at all which also means my requirements for the hardware a rather limited
Thanks for bringing out the Original PocketGo for size comparison!
With all due respect to Miyoo, this console (with these specifications) is not worth $56. Miyoo Mini Plus can now be purchased for $40, and with discounts it’s even cheaper.
Well, considering that there is Rg35xx H on the market... I don’t know.
I agree that it’s a very hard sell. 😅
Personally, I've been waiting for the flip and anbernic rg35xx sp, if both of those end up as failures, I'm buying the rg35xx H during the Aliexpress November big discounts and that is it.
I didnt wait for this review and ordered and received a rg35xxH. I believe its a better choice for the same price. Will wait for the flip❤
@@garciamartinezerikmanuel8810 I recently picked it up on sale for $43. For me, this is an ideal device for games up to PS1, later I will order myself a retroid 4 pro for ps2.
Rg35xx H has one minus - stock OS. Immediately replaced it with Batocera Lite.
I wish the 28xx would have the analog stick and the larger face buttons of the A30, that'd make the decision I'm trying to make right now wayyy easier lol
Love that pillow that looks like a horisñzontal handheld ❤
Thanks for the video. I was wondering if it was similar or it if was just the shape of it.
Super informative as always! Does that Bluetooth audio adapter work with the rg28xx?
I really like how cozy and gentle your channel is while being informative.
Thanks for the review. I have the Miyoo Mini Plus and I love it. 😍
Looks like they Miyoo A30 won't be such a hit due to the poor screen quality, low battery endurance and "bad" (out of the box) performance..
I'll pick the Anbernic RG35XXH instead for my next horizontal device. Thanks. 👍
Thanks for the honesty I’m still gonna pick up the mini + retro game boy and the bigger screen overall I don’t wanna buy a retro handheld because of the hype so I’m gonna wait and see where I go from there
Just waiting for the flip
That red and gold really gives me nostalgia for the Powkiddy Q20 mini
I'm completely satisfied with my Steam Deck and Retroid Pocket 2, but this A30 might be fine addition to my collection too. Thanks Russ for the video
Been waiting all day for this
Was really excited for this unit but there are some downsides that I cant compromise on. Thanks for reviewing it though Russ, your the best.
Really great review thanks Russ, I held off ordering until I saw this and will probably hold longer now. One question though please, how does GBA play on this please, that’s the device I play most on my small devices?
I really hope this gets some quality of life upgrades in the future. I've actually really been hoping someone would be brave enough to do a single stick handheld at this power level for a while now. N64 and dreamcast just don't play right without analog controls, but the second stick is so unnecessary and usually just a waste of space. Thanks for the impressions Russ!
This is based on the Game And Watch design, that’s why it feels old fashioned. That same design was mirrored by the Gameboy micro anniversary edition. But it goes back to the game and watch, right down to the gold and maroon colors. That aspect makes this a verrrry cool device for retro hardware junkies.
I just commented the same but you (and maybe others) beat me too it.
This is Game and Watch design and colors.
Famicom was off-white and red. And though it’s controllers were gold and red, they were a lighter shade.
Thanks for the charging section
One thing that blows me away about the Miyoo Mini is how long it keeps a charge. I haven't used the Mini much over the past year, but I've also not charged it for well over a year too, and it still shows no sign of needing a recharge whenever I pick it up to play a quick game. Literally mind-blowing to me.
Honestly, anything that can't do that either has poorly designed circuitry, or has a bad battery. When it's off, it shouldn't be drawing any power, so the only drain should be the self discharge of the battery.
@@derp195 Why have all of my laptops and phones always drain themselves when off? Are they different somehow? Genuinely curious bc I don't know anything about batteries.
@@okjoz Off, or asleep? It should barely drain at all when it's fully turned off, but different devices draw varying amounts of power when asleep.
@@derp195 Asleep. At least all i did was hit the power button once, not hold it.
anything being stuck in mono is such a deal-breaker for me. it would drive me crazy
Thanks for making a video about this as this device has really been interesting me, and I love its aesthetic however I've never really considered horizontal handhelds. I have some requests for games I'd like to see you play if you get the chance, MvC2 on DC, SSB on N64 and DBZ SB2 or DBZTTT. I wanna see if those few games can run as they are ones I'm very interested in playing at an affordable price on the go. I don't care much for the d-pad as I want to use the joystick, but the dim screen and stock OS does seem trash from the jump. I'd still wait for better optimization for emulation to get an A30 but your video has given me hope especially if this can run GTA, Kingdom Hearts and such on PPSSPP, hopefully with an aspect ratio that fits the screen.
Almost waited for this buy found such a good deal on the rg35xx h that I went that way. I don't think I will regret my decision.
Definitely interested in this...
Been watching this one for a while, like the look of the form factor but if I'm to purchase one, I'll need to know:
1. Is it more rugged than the Miyoo Mini?
2. Will MinUI be ported over?
Russ!!! that dang pillow on your couch tho! I need that in my life!!
Why is Russ's voice so soothing? i always get drowsy every time i hear him talk
He has a deep voice but he speaks in an upper register.
I really like the looks of this, it’s gorgeous. I think they would have had a better edge putting out that clam shell device first.
2-4 hrs of battery?! My 280M gets like 12 hrs on fast forwarded GBA, has a good d pad and buttons, and plays basically the same things, minus the shotty n64 dreamcast psp stuff (which is crazy to play on a 2.8" screen.) Also the 280M has the analogue stick set in a bit, just like you were suggesting, plus a premium metal shell, and you can easily find one for 60 beans.
That's a lot of beans
@@KswiftRob 1/7th of a full can. (465 beans per can)
@producedbymarj what kind of bean we talking, pinto? Garbanzo?
Will wait for the revision to come out.
Thanks for this video. It's disappointing to see that the A30 has performance issues. If it gets Onion OS in the future, that might be enough to make me look more seriously at it but, as it currently stands, I think it's not the highly pocketable horizontal handheld want.
Thanks for another great review, Russ! Top notch content as always.
Not excited at all. I really love Miyoo (I have 2 MM+), but the A30 really does look cheap. Really cheap plastic. Build quality has droped from original MM and the +. I hope they release a bigger version with 4.0"+ inch screen. It seems that the Dpad sucks as well...
Ever since you did all those Easter eggs, I look in the background to see if you’re doing it again 😂
Hey Russ, great review! Could you see if the A30 could be modded like the RGB30 with a bit of tape to fix the contra test? A pity for the screen, I hope they will do a A35 that is the equivalent of the MM+ with a better screen and cpu.
No headphone jack and the included adapater is mono audio? That's a dealbreaker with so many options similar in size, performance, features and price.
@24:29 changing the Analog to Digital Type setting to "left stick" is a much easier and more convenient way to make the analog stick work as a Dpad.
ngl the whole headphone jack situation would be a deal breaker for me on its own, but it only gets worse if you add the fact that the d-pad and the screen are subpar as well, like no amount of performance optimization or custom firmware in the future will be enough to redeem its failing points
If companies aren't going to properly support USB-C, they need to just not use a USB-C port. USB-C has minimum support requirements and these companies are failing to reach that minimum.
Yep, usb-c was supposed to be the port to rule them all!
But sadly it’s become a mess and a guessing game because of the way it’s implemented. Half the time one doesn’t know what it supports or even if a charger will work. On top of that, now we even have to worry about wether a cable is compatible or not :/
I have been waiting for this review cuz I was excited about this. I'm disappointed in the A30. Gonna have to choose another pocket horizontal handheld.
Wish it was A30 body with the RG28xx internals
I hate to comment above @bensnacmachine5037 because I couldn’t have said it better…Russ is THE man...just seems like such a genuinely good dude. On topic…like others, I’ve also been waiting for this review since it was announced for a Thursday release. I also, prefer the horizontal handhelds…ever since my first PSP. I did just get the 35XX H, and as much as I would love to defer to one of these smaller A30/28XX devices for more portability, I feel like my hands don’t mesh well with the smaller handhelds. Probably gonna stick with the 35XX H…and looking forward to the knulli firmware to hopefully evolve the batocera experience (can’t wait for Russ’s guide). Love this channel, it is the one that I look the most forward to for content releases to on the daily. Keep up the great work!!
tbh, i think the miyoo mini won our hearts because of its aesthetics, size and power. It had just enough power to play anything that fits on that screen.
Also the aestetics looks so good. it looks exactly like what a gameboy mini would look to me today. a nice screen with small bezels.
i just dont see how the A30 can demand that kind of attention.
I love the look of this handheld. I think the MagicX XU Mini M will be the best horizontal mini handheld out of the 3 (including the 28xx)
Wow, Miyoo really dropped the ball here. This has convinced me to wait and see if they release a new revision in the future to fix the hardware issues.
Already ordered and looking forward to the RG28XX, though.