The description at 6:40 about creep aggro leaves out that creep aggro has a 3 second cooldown. So once you draw aggro outside the acquisition range, you have 3 seconds to attack as many times as you can before drawing aggro again. You aren't limited to 1 attack.
I've been trying to get people to leave sentries on ward stones if they weren't in vision when discovered for a long time. Sadly there is always that one person on the team who either doesn't understand or doesn't care. A lack of vision can be abused on your favor quite easily. I even sometimes leave observers if they dont have a sentry and were discovered during a smoke. Because even if they have vision you can use that vision to bait with a good team
i have lost count on the number of times i raged when i tell them beforehand not to deward the sentries, but they still did right after I spammed not to deward
Haven't even watched yet but the thumbnail is already triggering me... why do my carries always have to deward sentries, it's like they think I somehow took the time to put a sentry and obs but didn't see the enemy sentry right where I just placed 2 wards
They probably didn't think about it. I've gotten some success from simply talking to them ahead of time to let them know which sentries it's better that we don't deward and why.
Honestly I'm a newer player and still working out a lot of stuff, and while Jenkins' videos have helped a lot I'm actually struggling to wrap my head around this. Can anyone explain it a bit more for me as a newbie trying to improve?
“Dont kill that sent” add 10 X pings and 20 second later a core come and deward. After that move i know i shouldnt try hard and have fun as much as i can
@@Dezolion if u place obsv in high cliff and sentry around then see enemy sentry there, enemy don't know u got obsv up the high cliff. if u deward enemy sentry in the high cliff then enemy know u got some wards up there.
As for wards, I use a quite safe method of placement. You place a sentry on a cliff to check for enemy sentries. If there is one, break it, but don't place your obs here - enemy will surely come with new sentry. If spot is empty - you can safely place your obs. Dumb, but works for me.
"BSJ is a dangerous sociopath". I always get frustrated when i only get 2 or just the ranged creep when i pull the creep wave because i pulled a little too late. But now i know i wasn't that bad of a supp😅
best jenkins content so far, especially the 4th habit, I've been asking supports not to randomly create double waves on the safelane for ages BSJ is a dangerous sociopath btw
my fav is the reverse version when I play normal, and the juggernaut starts yelling at me to pull... while he's farming just outside of tower range, I'm harassing the enemy out of lane, and we don't have the camp stacked, so I ask "Do you want to push? If so wait a minute for the catapult, to do the double wave" then he got mad and went to jungle. I was just sitting there like wtf. Of course he didn't get back to push, he arrived back 2 waves later "Aren't we pushing?"
Happens every single time without fail tat pro players in our team (herald to ancients) see a sentry, kill tat sentry syndrome, give enemy information on map presence and where to de-ward again n gain gold of the ally obs...
@@chlenchlenov3941 that's why I play with mute all, and ignore what these animals do. trust me, you can do more games and thus gain mmr faster (as your own performance is all that matters in pubs)
If I think their support is nearby, I usually wait around a moment (like 5 seconds) if possible, and then place the observer on top of their sentry (sentries have a 12 second vision)
this has been happening for years man, its like some carnal instinct that every player has to deward if they see it even at the cost of their life, when you think about it this is very basic but most of the time everyone is in mode: MONKE so they dont actually think
Its only good if you're putting aggressive wards or your hero depends on invisibility either way i don't destroy it but my teammates does... I feel you
I still don’t understand why you would leave it there. Their sentry ward will see that you have a ward up there so you aren’t baiting a false sense of security. They can see the ward?!
@@JSE4 the fact is after a few seconds of planting a sentry ward, the planter will lose the vision around it, so we are not able to see the ward that is placed after that. Idk when was this changed but yeah what he says is right
As a support I usually - after takin' care of my carry - I go to the jungle gettin' my ulti ready and buildin' some useful items I can call 'em countering items?, such as force staff if we're facing Roots or stuns or Atos if they have high mobility and so on...
"BJS is and dangeros sociapath" “BSJ is a dangerous sociopath.” Getting back to dota btw, love the educational vids keeping me up to date, and fixing some old habits
I don't need the hook. I just need the knowledge of being a good support and I gotta say I learned something important here. That's all that matters. Thanks man
BJS is and dangeros sociapath BSJ is a dangerous sociopath Good video btw, as a trash sup played I got better at these things slowly on my own but making sure to actively think about them is def. worth it.
Yep. Welcome to the thankless life as a support. Or when you go and try to get some farm and levels because you're like 5 levels behind everyone else and then your team mass reports you for trolling and valve gives you low prio for high reports.
I'm not a dota player anymore, but someone explain the dewarding thing for me. If you've placed a sentry and see a sentry, then surely they can see your sentry too, right? If you don't kill theirs, they'll just kill yours? I'm missing something huge lol
the agro one is hard one if u r not used to. i often use side area or even push back enemy carry (only on early minute) since support hero often has a good nuke damage and u jus need clarity or mango to push enemy back far from equilbrum and make them not getting any exp
Wow that "issuing attack from outhside the creep agro range wont pull creeps" is totally new for me. Why no one has ever told me during the last 7 years of dota2 playing???
The sentry trick is really interesting one, thus, I do not really get it 100%. Could someone explain it? The two creep pull is a really great thing, I see. Thanks for the video!
I would debate about the dewarding thoughts. Not removing observers give vision a certain place and u have less potential to do suprise attack. I think leaving enemy observers in place is more a situational decision not a general principle.
bsj is a dangerus souciopath and cannot be trusted
He's a very empathetic support.
He must be stopped, frankly
true
Video says to type BJS, so I dunno who you're on about...
bsj is a dangerus souciopath
Twitch: “we will randomly give u gifts”
Jenkins: “ *BSJ is and dangerous sociopath* ”
BSJ is and dangerous sociopath
Will today be my day
The description at 6:40 about creep aggro leaves out that creep aggro has a 3 second cooldown. So once you draw aggro outside the acquisition range, you have 3 seconds to attack as many times as you can before drawing aggro again. You aren't limited to 1 attack.
You could prob get 2 if you commanded right outside of the range, but knowing the exact range takes a while to learn lol
Jenkins said in the animajor that he loves SEA because most of his audience are from SEA. We love you alot Jenkins!
"BSJ is and dangeros sociopath"
-Jenkins 2021
Jenkins : "Hello friends too lazy to worry about fixing his laziness here"
me : and i took that personally
Thus said Lord Jenkins:
"BSJ is and dangeros sociopath"
And finally, the world felt peace again.
I've been trying to get people to leave sentries on ward stones if they weren't in vision when discovered for a long time. Sadly there is always that one person on the team who either doesn't understand or doesn't care. A lack of vision can be abused on your favor quite easily. I even sometimes leave observers if they dont have a sentry and were discovered during a smoke. Because even if they have vision you can use that vision to bait with a good team
i have lost count on the number of times i raged when i tell them beforehand not to deward the sentries, but they still did right after I spammed not to deward
"BSJ is and dangeros sociapath"
Me: "Everything else he said makes sense, guess this does too."
"BJS is and dangerous sociopath"
"BSJ is a dangerous sociopath"
"SBJ issa dangruss socialpath"
Haven't even watched yet but the thumbnail is already triggering me... why do my carries always have to deward sentries, it's like they think I somehow took the time to put a sentry and obs but didn't see the enemy sentry right where I just placed 2 wards
Every fucking time!
They probably didn't think about it. I've gotten some success from simply talking to them ahead of time to let them know which sentries it's better that we don't deward and why.
Honestly I'm a newer player and still working out a lot of stuff, and while Jenkins' videos have helped a lot I'm actually struggling to wrap my head around this. Can anyone explain it a bit more for me as a newbie trying to improve?
“Dont kill that sent” add 10 X pings and 20 second later a core come and deward. After that move i know i shouldnt try hard and have fun as much as i can
@@Dezolion if u place obsv in high cliff and sentry around then see enemy sentry there, enemy don't know u got obsv up the high cliff. if u deward enemy sentry in the high cliff then enemy know u got some wards up there.
As for wards, I use a quite safe method of placement. You place a sentry on a cliff to check for enemy sentries. If there is one, break it, but don't place your obs here - enemy will surely come with new sentry. If spot is empty - you can safely place your obs. Dumb, but works for me.
Jenkins: “BJS is and dangeros sociopath”
Ah I see nice way to dodge those lawyers and baiting everyone else to get sued
sociapath* XD
“BJS is and dangeros sociapath”. Now show me how to half pull
Just pull too late at like 19 seconds instead of 16. :)
Jenkins: "BSJ is and dangeros sociapath"
Everybody else: He's speaking the language of gods
it says "BSJ is dangerous and a dangerous sociopath
"BJS is and dangeros sociapath"
“BSJ is a dangerous sociopath.”
“BSJ is a dangerous sociopath”
-Me after taking up space in BSJ’s lane because Master Jenkins said to, causing him to abandon
Годно, спасибо)) Про варды знал, но насчёт того что противники могут чувствовать себя в безопасности пока он рядом, мыслей чёт не было.
Еба янур вот уж не ожидал тебя тут увидеть!! Че видосы не выкладываешь?
@@brewmaestro6825 в доту играет, очевидно
"BJS is and dangerous sociopath"
"BSJ is a dangerous sociopath"
I don't know the right one
"BSJ is a dangerous sociopath". I always get frustrated when i only get 2 or just the ranged creep when i pull the creep wave because i pulled a little too late. But now i know i wasn't that bad of a supp😅
"BJS is and dangeros sociapath" - 100% wr vs. BSJ btw ;)
"BJS is and dangeros sociapath" -literally my carry every game
BSJ is a dangerous sociopath
Thank you, Jenkins, for opening our eyes and warning us that "BSJ is a dangerous sociopath" 🙏🙏🙏
when the creep wave is almost done clearing the easy camp, i pull the hard one so the entire wave is denied.
"BJS is and dangerous sociopath"
"BSJ is a dangerous sociopath"
and so am i
Killing those sentries also shows you on the map, and that can allow the enemy to make a move somewhere with more numbers, or maybe just pick you off.
Cant you see the enemy’s wards on the minimap now if they are in direct vision range?
Idiot carry kills sentry in Rosh pit after we smoke in. To be continued…
"BSJ is and dangerous sociopath", so true, so insightful
best jenkins content so far, especially the 4th habit, I've been asking supports not to randomly create double waves on the safelane for ages
BSJ is a dangerous sociopath btw
my fav is the reverse version when I play normal, and the juggernaut starts yelling at me to pull... while he's farming just outside of tower range, I'm harassing the enemy out of lane, and we don't have the camp stacked, so I ask "Do you want to push? If so wait a minute for the catapult, to do the double wave" then he got mad and went to jungle. I was just sitting there like wtf. Of course he didn't get back to push, he arrived back 2 waves later "Aren't we pushing?"
I am now commenting on every video Jenkins upload.
Ahhh, a fellow man of the WRX culture. I’ll watch your career with great interest
"BJS is and dangeros sociapath" i screm at my team everytime they kill sentries on cliffs (so basicaly every game)
is there any issues between BSJ and Jenkins ? +__+
Happens every single time without fail tat pro players in our team (herald to ancients) see a sentry, kill tat sentry syndrome, give enemy information on map presence and where to de-ward again n gain gold of the ally obs...
@@izack2781 it's an inside joke
@@GDASPRAKASH91 they can’t resist the temptation to just hit that shit. Have to explain to my teammates why not to do it every game
@@chlenchlenov3941 that's why I play with mute all, and ignore what these animals do. trust me, you can do more games and thus gain mmr faster (as your own performance is all that matters in pubs)
"BJS is and dangeros sociapath"
"BJS is a dangeros sociopath"
Take the right one pls! 🤩
I constantly have to remind myself to not attack sentries when I could just drop an observer on them.
If I think their support is nearby, I usually wait around a moment (like 5 seconds) if possible, and then place the observer on top of their sentry (sentries have a 12 second vision)
"BSJ is a dangeros sociopath."
Always dewarding sentry at high hills. So sad when I have that kind of carry
this has been happening for years man, its like some carnal instinct that every player has to deward if they see it even at the cost of their life, when you think about it this is very basic but most of the time everyone is in mode: MONKE so they dont actually think
"BSJ is a dangerous Sociopath"
He only lives to grief jenkins😂
Jenkins: "BSJ is and dangeros sociapath"
Me: I'm not gonna ask why cause coming from you I think it works fine too.
When Jenkins says "Bsj is and dangerous sociopath" it inspired me a lot and i felt that
Jenkins: "BSJ is and dangeros sociapath"
Me: "Everything else he said makes sense, guess this does too."
If I leave wards up my team just yells at me and pings the ward to deward constantly.
That's unavoidable when you play with random players 😂
Jenkins: "BSJ is and dangeros sociapath"
Everyone else: Gib the hook
NOOOO JENKINS why did you tell them my cliff warding secret!?
everyone coming with unique idea of typing "BSJ is a dangerous sociopath"
me: yes
"BJS is a dangeros sociapath"
cause why not
That video just solved half of my problems as a support. Thanks.
I do all of these and I haven’t even watched the video
"BJS is and dangeros sociapath" ok now give me an excuse to pick pudge more than i already do and ruin even more games
"BJS is and dangeros sociopath"
"BJS is and dangeros sociopath"
This is here to help with the algorithm and support Jenkins. Go on with your day everyone
"BJS is a dangeros sociapath"
why not give it a try
i was here
Me when I find a sentry in top of the cliff: "team do not destroy"
Team: insta destroy the ward
PS: I'm Divine 1
to destroy or not to destroy, that is the question
whenever I'm like WAIT NO DON'T KILL IT
they stop for a second then go back to kill it out of spite
Its only good if you're putting aggressive wards or your hero depends on invisibility either way i don't destroy it but my teammates does... I feel you
I still don’t understand why you would leave it there. Their sentry ward will see that you have a ward up there so you aren’t baiting a false sense of security. They can see the ward?!
@@JSE4 the fact is after a few seconds of planting a sentry ward, the planter will lose the vision around it, so we are not able to see the ward that is placed after that. Idk when was this changed but yeah what he says is right
Jenkins: "BJS is and dangerous sociopath" "BSJ is a dangerous sociopath"
Is this libel?
"BSJ is and dangerous sociopath"
- People who copied exactly what Jenkins typed
A new low for ”exactly”
the main problem with dewarding sentries in 2k-3k pubs is that the cores hit the sentry even though I told them specifically "leave it, they cant see"
"BJS is and dangeros sociopath"
"BSJ is and dangerous sociopath"
As a support I usually - after takin' care of my carry - I go to the jungle gettin' my ulti ready and buildin' some useful items I can call 'em countering items?, such as force staff if we're facing Roots or stuns or Atos if they have high mobility and so on...
Fucking loved the creep equilibrium tips man. That is great dota wisdom bro. Ty!
"BJS is and dangeros sociapath"
“BSJ is a dangerous sociopath.”
Getting back to dota btw, love the educational vids keeping me up to date, and fixing some old habits
"BSJ is and dangerous sociapath " done bro...you are a great teacher
"BSJ is and dangeros sociapath"
" BSJ is a dangerous sociopath" wish me luck
"BJS is and dangeros sociapath" . you wrote the whole thing wrong xD , true though
Wow NC content you pointed out most of my mistakes I have been doing as a low ranke player thx a lot
Wow, this is actually very useful, unlike the other dota guides
very infomative, thank you! I was wondering tho if you could please make a video to help out mid lane players?
Nah
Jenkins doesn't really play mid
"BJS is and dangerous sociopath"
I HOPE I CAN GET THE DC HOOK.
Pudge is my favorite hero.
"BJS is and dangeros sociapath"
“BSJ is a dangerous sociopath”
For sure Jenkins on a God's language.
I don't need the hook. I just need the knowledge of being a good support and I gotta say I learned something important here. That's all that matters. Thanks man
1:25 watching that brood play made me hurt inside
"BSJ is and dangeros sociopath"
"BSJ is a dangerous sociopath"
BJS is and dangeros sociapath
BSJ is a dangerous sociopath
Good video btw, as a trash sup played I got better at these things slowly on my own but making sure to actively think about them is def. worth it.
Damn thanks for the tips man
Thanks for the info!
Omg the dewarding thing. I try to leave the HG sentry and i get pinged and sworn at 😂😂😂
Yep. Welcome to the thankless life as a support. Or when you go and try to get some farm and levels because you're like 5 levels behind everyone else and then your team mass reports you for trolling and valve gives you low prio for high reports.
"BSJ is and dangeros sociapath"
" BSJ is a dangerous sociopath"
"BSJ is a dangerous sociopath"
"BJS is and dangerous sociapath"
I'm not a dota player anymore, but someone explain the dewarding thing for me. If you've placed a sentry and see a sentry, then surely they can see your sentry too, right? If you don't kill theirs, they'll just kill yours? I'm missing something huge lol
Damn. I never even thought about it. As a support, I need to hide in lane/ in jungle behind my core
"BJS is and dangerous sociopath"
"BSJ is a dangerous sociopath"
"BSJ is a dangerous sociopath"
Now i can play pos 5 properly. Thanks BSJ
BSJ is a dangerus souciopath and you’re the man who helpful and useful for players
Jenkins: BSJ is a dangerous sociopath
Also Jenkins: BJS is and dangeros sociapath
Finally I need more suports videos please :)
the agro one is hard one if u r not used to. i often use side area or even push back enemy carry (only on early minute) since support hero often has a good nuke damage and u jus need clarity or mango to push enemy back far from equilbrum and make them not getting any exp
thanks for your info, i hope to become more useful support later in the game
Wow that "issuing attack from outhside the creep agro range wont pull creeps" is totally new for me. Why no one has ever told me during the last 7 years of dota2 playing???
"bsj is a dangerus souciopath" but still love the way he is trying to teach :D
“ BSJ is and dangerous sociopath ”
And thy claw bestowed unto thee 🤣
"BSJ is a dangerous sociopath"
"BJS is and dangerous sociapath xD"
"BSJ is and dangerous sociopath"
"BSJ is a dangerous sociopath"
BSJ is a dangerous sociopath and im glad bubby is watching out for us
“BSJ is a dangerous sociopath”
“BJS is and dangerous sociopath”
The sentry trick is really interesting one, thus, I do not really get it 100%. Could someone explain it?
The two creep pull is a really great thing, I see.
Thanks for the video!
"BSJ is and dangeros sociapath"
Damn, never thought I'd be typing something like this
may it be my lucky day for a dc hook.
"BJS is and dangerous sociopath"
“BSJ is a dangerous sociopath"
"BJS is and dangeros sociapath"
"BSJ is a dangerous sociopath"
I would debate about the dewarding thoughts. Not removing observers give vision a certain place and u have less potential to do suprise attack. I think leaving enemy observers in place is more a situational decision not a general principle.
"BJS is and dangeros sociopath"
“BSJ is a dangerous sociopath”
Hi Jenkins Senpai! Can't wait how you will introduce the spell prism you saw at T1 vs Vikings!
Really helps the pos 5 sentry blocks won 10 games striaght
"BSJ is and dangerous sociopath"
BSJ is a dangerous sociopath
I made a lot of mistakes from this video, will try to fix them, ty!
“BSJ IS A DANGEROUS SOCIOPATH”
I thought I was the only one who could see that!