In the Prog Seat: 100th Episode! The Prog Albums We Can't Stand-THE SEQUEL!
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- Join Pete Pardo, Ken Golden, Steven Reid, Luis Nasser, George Lamie, Chad Hutchinson, Chuck Alvarez, and Eric Porter as they discuss those prog albums that they just don't like at all.
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Listening to a discussion amongst people that truly have passion for what they are talking about is quite a treat. Thanks for all you guys do.
"A dedication to racket that I just can't abide" That is a great t-shirt quote. Thanks again George
Why are people saying they disagree with the picks? It's the panelists personal takes. It's not up for debate. Makes no sense to try and tell people they're wrong about the things they like or dislike.
Bingo, and all in good fun! Thanks Patricia
It's just for fun.
I think it's called engagement. Yes, SoT is fun but it is also a collective of highly knowledgeable people who could hold their own with any other rock journalists. Pete has done an amazing job building various teams that enhance his own substantive knowledge but also have a lot of fun, and radiate that fun onto the audience.
As for disagreeing with the panelists, a) they disagree with each other, and b) we will either agree or disagree with them whether we say so or not. Allowing us to comment builds engagement with us, the audience, which is presumably one of Pete's goals.
The panelists have their more expert views; we have our considerably less expert views - isn't it fun to have as many views out there as possible? Several-way communication is generally better than two-way communication, which is nearly always more engaging than one-way communication.
Because it's fun!
The first one is one of the best SoT episodes ever. Can‘t wait!
Congrats on the 100th episode guys! Quote of the day goes to Luis for "If an enema had a voice, it would sound like that!"
Congrats on the 100th episode which was very entertaining as always guys!
Glad Chuck can make it this time. I cannot wait for this!
Another great episode!!!
BIG boots to fill after George's takes last time! We need some hate for Close To The Edge, Thick As A Brick and every Genesis from 70-77 to even compete! ;)
Ignorance confirmed.
I was surprised that Eddie Jobson's The Green Album got panned. I really liked it.
The first episode is a TH-cam classic and I feel that this edition could very well top that especially when it comes to George's brutal honesty and his take no prisoners approach on iconic albums, its always a treat to listen to mainly because you don't expect it. It's going to be epic and judging by everyone's reactions in the thumbnail, I'm guessing George is burying a very popular album 😅 I won't guess what it is as I want to be surprised but I know it's going to be very entertaining. I can't wait!
Everyone’s reaction except Chad’s 😂. He looks as if he really mentally prepared for his picks. Either that or he’s just doing a great job to hide how he really feels 😂.
Maybe its because I'm cynical, mean spirited bastard but these album trash talk episodes are probably my favourite itps shows
This episode was great! Some of my favorite albums got mentioned!
The best episode ever very interesting picks from square panel members....
No one in the hospital this time? The first one have i seen a couple of times, classic indeed.
Now we need the sequel to "Songs That Suck From Bands We Love." 😁
I think they did that one
@@adamsmashups4839 they haven't
YES!! I've been waiting for this one! Cannot wait!
Another great show, full of surprise picks, and loads of laughs.big thank you to everyone.
Congrats! and here's to a hundred more 🍺🤘!!
Great show guy's. Best show on TH-cam. Keep up the great work. 👍👍
Literally can't wait for this one lol. I can feel the epicness just from the thumbnail.
Edit : The thumbnail seems to be happening during a pick from George 😅.
Another fun filled episode. Loved it. Thx gang 👍💯
You are the man Gary.
@@georgelamie7001 / DittO !!
'Gong 'You' is one of my favorite albums of all time !!
DYNAMITE!!!!
I certainly won't trust musically anyone that hates "You".
You is sooo great!
As it should be - it's genius.
Hello, guys! Happy 100th episode. Thank you for 90 min. of endless entertainment. I love good adult humor. And, to show my appreciation, I'll share w/you the moment that gave me more than a chuckle:
1. Jon Anderson is the AC/DC of prog 🤣🤣 (This got me thinking. I like Dirty Deeds. Then, I heard TNT and thought this is cool too. Wait, aren't they the same song?!)
2. Endless River, endless hate 😢😢😂😂
3. If an enema had a voice 🤣🤣🤣🤣
4. To be prog rock, it needs to rock somewhere 🤣🤣
5. Hearing Luis defend Kilroy Was Here 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
6. Dennis DeYoung is the Bryan Ferry of America 😂😂(I hear you!!)
7. Bryan Ferry is the enema for me 😂😂😂😂
8. Steve Hackett, great guitar player but don't sing or play harmonica 🤣🤣🤣🤣
9. Steve Howe is worse 😂😂
10. Sounds like bad Supertramp and Supertramp is pretty bad 😂😂 😂😂
11. Mr. Roboto is catchy - So is chlamydia 🤣🤣🤣🤣
12. Mexican James Brown 😎😎 (That I have to see!)
13. Trust in the Lifeforce of the Deep Mystery. Is that pretentious enough for you? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
14. Euphoria, should've been called euthanize 😂😂
15. Luis, why do you keep listening to Yes and Jon Anderson? Steven, why do you keep listening to Pink Floyd? Guys, stop torturing yourselves!!!
George killed it in the first part. Luis final choice is just a heartbreaker. I was 16 when it came out and I still think its one of the peaks of prog.
Definitely agree with:
- Pink Floyd - The Endless River
- Yes - Heaven & Earth
- Transatlantic - The Whirlwind
- Steven Wilson - Future Bites (not that terrible, but quite a drop comparing with To The Bone)
I don't necessarily hate, but I'm unsure about:
- Aphrodite's Child - 666
- Gong - You
- Pavlov's Dog - Pampered Menial
- The Mars Volta - Francis The Mute
- Yes - Tales From Topographic Oceans
- Storm Corrosion - Storm Corrosion
Disagree with:
- Pain of Salvation - BE (that's actually one of my faves of 21st century, but definitely a polarizing album)
- Magma - Mëkanïk Dëstruktïẁ Kömmandöh
- Big Big Train - English Electric, Pt. 1 (again, one of my faves of recent decades)
- Mike Oldfield - Ommadawn (it's not brilliant, but I admire it)
- Atheist - Unquestionable Presence (c'mon George, it's not garbage, it's brilliant)
- LTE - LTE1
My picks, that weren't mentioned (and I don't remember what was mentioned in the part 1, so it might repeat):
- Gentle Giant - Giant For A Day
- Yes - Union
- Dream Theater - The Astonishing
- Camel - I Can See Your House From Here
- ELP - In The Hot Seat
- Genesis - The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway (yeah, I'm hiring a bodyguard now)
I agreed with you until you said Lamb.
Whoa whoa on the Genesis pick. My heart hurts reading you dislike Lamb Lies Down!!
Quite liked The Future Bites though I did enjoy To The Bone more.
Pavlov's Dog - Pampered Menial is legendary. I have it on my I-Phone. I love it!
That Atheist album is indeed brilliant
Luis Nasser on point with Anderson's solo stuff LOL. He tells it like it is! Thank You for this GREAT Episode. I own a copy of THE COMET IS COMING from 2019. It's a brilliant record in the spiritual jazz vein, not prog rock but worth buying for late night driving or after work introspection.
"Some fukn nerd proggy sh-t, for Christ's sake" -Chris Alo in reference to the recording of this In The Prog Sear episode delaying the taping of last week's Hudson Valley Squares. I dig how dude lets it fly.
That was indeed a great rant from Chris, and it's no doubt increasing the anticipation for this episode)) I'm not a big horror fan but I like do like to drop by the Monster's Den to see Mr Alo let fly!
Chris is the man!
Alo is the king. Great dude
Many thanks, Pete is the perfect host and he manages bring us such treats. Cheers.
Jaw dropped when I heard "Pain of Salvation." Then he said BE. Yes.
That was fun. Nice pitch invasion at the end. My how dare you moments were: Magma, Gong, Roxy & Hawklords. Can't wait for the crossover episode. Star of the show? Chuck's Magazine T-shirt. 👍
Rarely does the sequel exceed the original. This one holds its own and is at least as epic as the original thanks to the brutal honesty of everyone speaking to their individual likes and dislikes. It brings the phrase 'sonic nap' to my lexicon - special thanks to George for that - and will never again hear the word enema without Luis' statement about an enema voice. Epic enjoyment, great fun, and always great to hear what people don't like in addition to the albums they love. Thanks to everyone involved for taking the time and digging up 5 more albums to eviscerate to the joy and agony of the other co-captains and all us watching! Great, great stuff here.
In the Director's Cut edition of this episode Luis Nasser admitted he is a huge fan of the all-star prog project Arc of Life. 😃
Just watched part 1 - that was hilarious lol. Looking forward to this one. Cya's
Happy 100th episode!
ty Josh!
Very very interesting! Hillarious and super insightful comments on a lot of topics and albums. Thank you!
And replying to myself here...I love Gong's You and I think it's one of the best prog albums ever.
EXCELLENT presentation and breakdown, as usual!🔥🖤✊🏿
Great video as always.
Its gonna kick off ...George will have his pitchfork and torch out roasting anybody who disagrees that Genesis were as prog as The Osmonds and that King Crimson were Earth wind and fire on steroids 😊😊😊
GEORGE knows !!!! 👍💯
I usually agree with Luis but, I love “Tales”. I think it’s fantastic
I concur
Tales is beautiful. I love it all, but Ritual is one of Yes' greatest songs (and I hate ranking things).
I got halfway through the second song. It wasn't even meandering.....it was just very poor quality music writing at that point I had to stop.
Tales is really good.
😂😂 great show guys enjoyed it a lot 👍😎
This will be a fun show. So many diverse opinions makes this the best SoT show imho. I would wager top dollar that Eric and George will go after my beloved Van der Graaf Generator lol. Anthony will not be able to defend his love for Sunhillow and Jon Anderson this evening lol.
That already happened the first time, so we tried hard not to repeat on this one.
@@seaoftranquilityprog thank you for the clarification. I have the Olds lol. Regards, Sal.
Omg what a great episode but broke my heart on Avalon and Frances, never expected that😮
Highlight of the show, the ever beautiful Lynne. 😃
Couldn’t disagree more with the comments about Roxy Music. IMO they were one of the most creative and artistic bands of the 70’s a good portion of their music is pure genius. But each to their own.
Cheers from the Captain!
Yeah, Everyone can’t like every thing. They’re a Top 10 all great in my book.
Definitely love roxy especially the early material not really prog but can have progressive elements in there sound
@@briancox8518 that’s just it, Roxy Music is an Art-Rock band, more experimental earlier on especially on the first two albums with Eno.
I don't get how anyone could hate the first Roxy album. The production was a little thin sounding due to Pete Sinfield being the producer. But If There is Something and Re-make/Re-model are songs I still love listening to. The second and third Roxy albums are two of the best albums of the 70s. The guy must have terrible taste.
@@scifiwriter98 not really Chad has a great sense of music that he likes, Roxy Music just isn’t his thing.
Awesome, thanks for the honesty.
We should have a whole hour of Luis talking about Olias of Sunhillow!
I like George's plan Slam 5 that are highly acclaimed
4 Grand Funk Railroad - Closer to Home (1970)
This is a very personal pick for me. I’m not denying that their are greater albums than this one. But favorite means just that. We were playing On Time and the Red Album during the summer of ‘70 when this third album was released. It seemed a bit more sophisticated and less raw, but still cranked out great rock and roll music !
A light acoustic guitar strummed and then a fuzz laden electric guitar came booming out with “Sin’s a Good Man’s Brother”. This is a fantastic start. One of Mark Farner’s best written songs. And he composed them all for this album.
“Aimless Lady” is a fine uptempo rocker. The rhythm section of Mel Schacher on bass and Don Brewer on drums compliments Marks great guitar sound on this short ditty.
“Nothing is the Same” is a reworking of a song that appeared in a rawer form on the previous albums extra tracks. The story of growing up is juxtaposed to a killer riff laden classic !
“Mean Mistreater” is a solemn song that has never been a good listen. Its just a dirge that’s hard to stick with.
“Get It Together” and “Hooked on Love” are two tunes that go together even though they are separated by another song. These two tunes are so similar in groove. They show a real maturity in songwriting by Mark Farner. I guess you could even call them stylishly advanced for a bunch of crude rock and rollers !
“I Don’t Have to Sing the Blues” is the song between; and it’s the second best song on the record. It’s one of GFR ‘s best ever songs! It rocks the blues as best as this band could do !
The greatest song on the album is the most well known tune by the band. Of course I’m talking about “I’m Your Captain (Closer to Home). This song is a real gem. It’s a fine rocker with great lyrics and a middle section that is incredibly beautiful. The chorus may remind you of another great song “Hey Jude” with its repeated lines. But this is Grand Funk Railroad’s greatest achievement by far. There are sounds of waves and gulls and orchestra parts such as violins and cellos to carry the song out. Mark Farner wanted to write a meaningful song. It came at a time of a raging war in Vietnam. And a Captain losing his ship could be an allegory of the eventual loss of the war. (That’s just my interpretation).
It’s a cool song with some fine instrumentation from the band !
The bonus songs on the album have good live cuts. And there is a version of “Mean Mistreater” with an organ instead of piano that I like a little better.
No telling how many times I’ve heard this album; but it remains in my rotation to this day. I mean how could I not pick it? It’s only been with me for 53 years !!
By the expressions in the Thumbnail, I can already tell this will be good (can it live up to the first one lol)
I was just about to say the same thing, 😄
Man, they I was being roasted!
This was fun. You gotta do a part three. I'm with Luis on that Tales album again. Rubbish! 😂
Partly, unfair slam
the HVS jumping in at the end was so sweet. great episode!
Looking forward to this! This is going to be fun.
So excited to hear Eric pick Pavlov’s Dog. This got passed to me as some lost prog classic and the guy’s singing almost killed me.
Horrible!! 😂
clueless... clueless.. Pavlov's Dog is superb and legendary
Dear chaps, there is little or no point in saying you are wrong, this is actually great because I like it.
However, I would just like to “modify” something that Pete mentioned about Robert Calvert. There is no point in me telling you why Hawklords was a good album. If you do not like it, you do not like it.
Robert Calvert was primarily a lyricist. I checked it and I believe that he only wrote music for one of the tracks on the album. Robert Calvert was a poet and personally I believe that he wrote some very literary and memorable lyrics.
I saw Hawkwind on the “Quark Strangeness and Charm” and the “Hawklords” tours, and he was not only a great lyricist and singer but he was a great front man. I know that Hawkwind is Dave Brock’s band, however, I have always felt that he felt more comfortable in the shadows at the edge of the stage.
I know that Robert Calvert had his problems, I know that he had several difficulties, however I would propose that if you do not like this album, he may not be the sole reason.
I have been a Hawkwind fan all of my life and as folks know, they do not have one sound. They have evolved over the years. Some phases may be more appealing than others. Here is my personal feeling based on nothing what so ever. Hawkwind often reflect a drug of choice of a culture at different points in time. The culture changes, the audience changes, the personnel changes and therefore the music changes.
I feel that “Quark, Strangeness and Charm”, “25 Years On”, “PXR5” and “Live 79” are great albums from (personally) a very happy time.
If others do not like them……
Keep up the good work.
Listening to these insults fired at horrible music, just brings me indescribable joy. I feel like a bad person, taking pleasure in something that would have to be absolutely devastating to the artists who created these albums 😬.
I actually missed the first episode of this so I need to go back and watch that one but this one was hilarious. 😂
How come I enjoyed watching a bunch of folks trashing some of my favourite albums ? One of them twice ?? Guess I don't get hung up about these things. Nice job, guys.
Can hardly wait. Look forward to ever episode. I bet Pink Floyd's The Wall is going to be discussed.
like Flinstones meets the Jetsons. Sweeps week cross over madness. Love it
Part Deux! ha ha, can’t wait guys
What i love about Luis is that you can't get bullshit by him
Always good value
Luis! CDepot...Loch Raven & Joppa! LOL! I was the clerk that refused buy back!
Congrats on reaching the 100th milestone.
TA''s The Whirlwind is a stone cold classic. Had to see that tour twice.
Luis needs to revisit Tales & listen to the Remembering. The interplay between Howe & Wakeman in the instrumental section is the best they ever did. If that isn't rocking out I dont know what is.
The Neal Morse Band have been the most consistent prog band since their formation. Every release a classic.
Have never been able to get into Gong but love solo Steve Hillage. Magma are unlistenable.
Surprised The Lamb wasnt mentioned but I guess at least 1/3 of it is good.
Any PF post Waters is weak, Gilmour is not a songwriter and proved Waters was the genius.
I love Tales..every second of it
It's a record you have to allow to grow on you (for a lot of people)
Luis hates Jon Anderson so it's hard for him.
🤣
I laugh so hard!
Great show.
I have always been a big Yes fan, but I totally agree with everything Luis said about "Tales From Topographic Oceans." I'm glad Bill Bruford got out when he did to join King Crimson.
Another great edition of the Prog rock version of "The Emperor`s New Clothes"
Pete, the Flo & Eddie lineup was actually quite good when they weren't doing their "comedy" routines. I'd highly recommend the posthumous "Carnegie Hall" release for a better view of that lineup.
I really liked Live at Fillmore East, but I completely understand the hate for Billy the Mountain. Flo and Eddie were better as a group, and I agree they detracted more than they added to zappa. I didn't know about the Carnegie Hall recording and will check it out.
Fun show, but man, "The Whirlwind" is a god damn masterpiece, a 10/10! I absolutely love it🙂
Oh absolutely, what a wonderful piece of music
Totally agree
How about "Great albums by bands you hate"?
Storm Corrosion?!? NO! I absolutely LOVE that album! I can't contest any of the other picks, but that one I will fight!
Lol!! Interesting viewpoints! It's interesting to hear the statements and explanations as to why certain progressive albums are disliked. Interesting video! Fun to watch! Excellent job!
Despite some of these choices making me wretch in my seat (I LOVE Gong and Mars Volta), this was a hilarious episode that I loved watching bit by bit as I get ready for work in the morning.
Now that I listened to Pavlov's Dog's Theme From Subway Sue I will never say anything bad about Geddy Lee's vocals in the 70s anymore. Are you absolutely sure that's a male singer?
Apart from the vocals, there’s nothing wrong with that track.
I actually like Pavlov's Dog... (they come from Missouri I guess, but sound more European than most american bands) Pampered Menial is like some medieval proggy rock with songs ( the songs are there!) with an excellent violin on top of it...( "Julia" is a masterpiece, so is "Late November ") but yeah..the vocals from David Surkamp is a matter of an acquired taste I guess...it is high pitched but definitely unique...I like David's vocals more than for instance Jon Andersons...
I can’t get past the vocals to give the music a chance! 😂
@@ericporter344 Me neither, for sure. He sounds like Mickey Mouse on helium 😂
Its a great album.
Love this show!
I know this is subjective and all, but to say that the first Liquid Tension Experiment album is boring just breaks my heart. This masterpiece is pure joy from start to finish.
I love that record too, but that’s the thing: we all hear things differently. It’s ok. The musicianship on those albums is not up for debate, just whether or not someone likes them.
@@lahloonatic Absolutely, i'm not criticizing Steven for his opinion, that's his personal taste. Nothing wrong with that. I'm just saying this album is flawless in my book.
Its funny how I discovered new gems from your "recommended" "We Can't Stand" mini series ...Bring it on guys more albums you don't fancy (80% of albums you recommended I enjoy listening)...Keep on good work ....We have a splendid journey...
I like Gong and Roxy Music but hilarious episode nonetheless, the KISS and Jon Anderson picks especially had me laughing hysterically.
George and Luis were on fire, mercyless punchlines !
I love that first Roxy Music album myself.
@@lahloonatic Me too, I would never think of it as a prog album!
Great episode! It's best when all the guys just go for the throat and honestly lambaste the duds of the prog universe. Some top choice insults in this one. Don Rickles would be proud. I usually agree with Steven Reid's tastes in music and on a whim checked out Mostly Autumn sine the other panelists were surprised he didn't like it. I didn't find the sound as heinous as he did. I actually liked the track, Something in Between. Nice harmonies. Perhaps the rest of their stuff isn't as strong.
I sure wish the album being discussed would be displayed duting its time.
Thank you Flo and Eddie totally runied Zappa
You guys are great!
1:30:36 ....Lynne!...game over hubba hubba! ;) Great episode, guys!
Craig's face at the end was priceless!
I disagreed with a couple of the albums mentioned but it was a fun show to watch.
I had just deleted all of Mars Volta and Transatlantic from my drive an hour before watching this...too funny. As far as the Gong goes, I like the crunchy recording and ensemble playing. It's a completely different vibe on vinyl, but it does meander.
Haven't made it through this whole thing yet, but I figured somebody would probably mention the latet Renaissance albums, Camera Camera and Timeline. They are very poppy and new wave for Renaissance, but I still like them, especially after seeing them in concert on both tours.
Since Steven brought up Pink Floyd (I never even heard the post-Waters stuff), I will mention that The Wall is the one PF album I absolutely hate.
I hate the wall too.
Great show..I do love Mike Oldfield Ommadawn LP and really love Roxy Music Catalog. As far as the rest of the picks are concerned pretty much right on..
Agree about Oldfield. Ommadawn is a folk album, it never was prog rock, strange choice here.
I didn't know that KISS had made a prog album!😂 You always learn something on these shows!
I would love to see a ranking the albums of KISS episode with Luis and Ken!
Yeah...waste of a pick
Kiss never made a Prog Album
It's a concept album but not prog. Art rock at a stretch, maybe, but they never said it was intended as a prog record.
I like how in every photo of Billy Sherwood with YES he tries to mug his face like he's Beethoven.
This was an awesome episode mainly due to the hilarity which ensues when a member disses a 'classic' album. Too much fun.
I love all of Eberhard Weber albums. One of the reasons I have a 5-string electric upright. But I respect why people might not dig certain parts of his catalog.
The second Explorer's Club album from 2002, "Raising the Mammoth", was a giant mammoth turd.
Totally agree. Dumpster fire
Tony Williams Wilderness. Interesting pick I wasn't expecting for prog. We were really excited for that to come out, and it was dissappointing and not too eventful.
Dear George, I would like to give you a huge thanks. Honest.
Following your "recommendation" I went to youtube and found
The Comet Is Coming - "Summon The Fire"
It is a track from the album "Trust in the Lifeforce of the Deep Mystery". I have only listened to it three times in a row, but it is absolutely sensational.
If you have any other "recommendations" please feel free to share them. There is just so much music out there, that sometimes gems like this can just pass by.
Keep up the good work.
Glad I could help, David!
I couldn't agree with Pete more! I am a massive Zappa fanatic! He is my #1 g-to musician/composer. If I had to choose only 1 artist to take to a desert island, Frank would be it. An album for every mood. But when people that know me ask me about Frank's albums, I always tell them to stay away from the 'Volman & Kaylan' years. I can easily do without "Just Another Band From L.A.", "Fillmore 1971" and "200 Motels". Just can't get into them at all, and all for the same reasons that Pete stated. Conversely, I've been a huge Turtle's fan since I was a kid. Doesn't matter. This period (a favorite to some) is, in my humble opinion, Zappa's worst output... regardless if the lyrics are funny or not. Ironically, his next 6 releases are all stellar and among my all-time favorites from his immense catalog!! Pete, you're the first person that I've heard admit this, and I'm thrilled to not be alone in my posture of that album. I have it on original vinyl, and 2 different remastered CD's, but I never listen to it, or the other two for that matter!!
I love the Call Any Vegetable off Just Another Band lp, and Magdalena is ok.. But I never listen to the rest. Billy the Mountain is impossible to get through.. And I am a FZ fanatic as well
Since Steven brought up Billy Sherwood and his LUMPEN-PROG (that had me howling!), how about his World Trade albums? Those got punted right onto Ebay. EDIT: Chad mentioned them near the end. Spot on.
Chad picked World Trade near the end
Steve Hackett's singing has improved over the years. Now you can actually like and bear what he does (I prefer him over Nad Sylvan, tbh), and that started with his comeback period which started imo with Guitar Noir. GN has Cassandra, though. It's a 50/50 album, half anchored in his desires of making another GTR album and half with these new ideas and great playing he was starting to come up with, and that second half is really majestic. I recommend the Israeli pressing that has the songs separated in style which was a great idea.
Dark Town would be his next and it's a more cohesive album. Everything's been uphill from there with Hackett.
As for Roxy Music, I love Avalon, lol. It's their best. I don't care much for the 70s stuff, it's too whimsical, and Bryan Ferry's voice was not there yet. He became a good crooner, and his solo work after Avalon has been consistently good.
Mars Volta debut is a classic, but they ran out of ideas very quickly. Frances the Mute has some good moments but that initial spark of genius was gone.
Maybe they have some latter albums that are listenable, I don't know.
Edit.
I'm with Luis, Tales From Topographic Oceans was terrible. The Wakeman tune is nice but that's all.
I LOVE Steve, but he should not sing 😂
Thought it was just me with Big Big Train, every time I try an album I start the first 15 minutes or so thinking I'm going to like this one then by the end I've realised I didn't. Then again I have exactly the same experience with Porcupine Tree, oh that one is just me then.😏
Oh Steve... I was with you 100% there until.... oh, you know! lol!!!
Same with BB Train... not the same with Porky Tree.