I have to rewatch this every once in a while. Funniest show on the internet! Pete’s reaction when George starts with «In the Court…» is priceless, and gets me every time😂
I must say Pete, Sea Of Tranquility has really helped me through this whole pandemic. What an oasis! This episode was a combination of HILARIOUS and OUTRAGEOUS! What a fantastic episode! Thanks to everyone involved!
Getting into Van Der Graaf Generator takes time, but once you're hooked you will never stop listening to them. Scorched Earth, Killer, House With no Door, Wondering, My Room (Waiting For Wonderland), Meurglys III (The Songwriter's Guild), Pilgrims, Refugees and Hammill's solo material like Forsaken Gardens are just sublime, incredibly beautiful and atmospheric. Hammill's voice works more often than not. The other guys might not be so flashy, but their playing is certainly tasteful. Definitely in my top 10 bands of all time. Pawn Hearts may not be the most musical or melodic VDGG album, but it's very much appreciated. You need to have a mega brain and very strong vision to come up with something like Plague of the Lighthouse Keepers, or Man-Erg.
Thanks for watching and your comments. I've tried with VDGG (H to He, Still Life, Pawn Hearts) and none of them connected with me on any level, and I really dislike Hammill's vocals. It's been said on SOT many times...we all hear things differently. That's the beauty of this episode, it was fun, at times surprising, but honest opinions. I didn't agree with everyone's picks, but it intrigued me when an album was mentioned that I like. I respect these guys, and can relate.
I can understand why people have problems with Peter’s vocals, it’s not always pleasent to the eras,. I also have problems, but I just love his music. He is a great songwriter in my opinion.
This episode is a classic. I've rewatched it on numerous occasions. George (Thanos like) lays waste to Prog monoliths with casual abandon, it really it a sight to behold.
Best show ever! Watching faces as the respected George takes down classic records, like a slaughterhouse operator. So great! Please do this topic again.
I have always found it amazing when grown men can't accept others opinions. Nothing wrong with being surprised when someone dislikes something universally enjoyed but the " youre' wrong " " you're taste sucks " comments just show a level of immaturity that doesn't make sense to me hearing it from adults. Luckily I didn't see that in this episode. I found it really enjoyable. We all have different opinions and it really should be celebrated. It just gets boring to me when everyone likes the exact same thing.
Is that dead cat cd already out yet? I have a bootleg of the dead cat but I'd love to get a pristine professional release, esp if S Wilson was involved.
I didn't know what to expect from this review, I almost passed this one up but I was so surprised to see Pete laugh and bust a gut like I have never seen before. I laughed incredibly hard at so many of the reviews and comments. I think this is one of the best videos I have seen on this channel! I really did need a good laugh before going to bed. Thank you guys, this was awesome- who would have guessed- so much fun :)
Thanks for taking this in the spirit it was intended John. It was great fun, and the whole crew were laughing throughout. Appreciate your positive feedback and thanks for watching
@@ericporter344 Thanks for being part of the crew, you're doing fantastic work. Also, I particularly enjoy the part of you "hating" on Pawn hearts. Because it's great that you TRIED to love an album that I love. It's amazing how we give music a chance because others adore it, yet sometimes it doesn't click for us.
@@mladent1464 Thanks, as I got into Prog and did my research (many moons ago), VDGG always came up as an elite and respected band. I bought 3 of their CDs over the years, thinking I must be missing something. Turns out they are just not for me. Never intend to disrespect someone's art, I know they put their heart and soul into it.
Every Bloody Emperor is incredible. I was 16 in 1980 when I was handed an old heavy vinyl copy of The Least We Can Do ...my first listen to them . Awesome music . 👍
Almost like Roger Waters was an artist in a band and Ken isn't. Funny, that... I like when Pink Floyd lyrics are actually about something and not, you know, relatable and profound things such as getting your pilots license.
Gentlemen - Epic episode! Some might not enjoy a review of what you don't like rather than what you do like but, at least to me, it provides additional insight to the views and opinions of people whose opinions you do generally trust and follow. Special kudos to Luis for participating from the hospital and more special kudos to George for adding a level of the unexpected to this great episode. Luis was right when he said "This is perfect" after George made his first pick. Most importantly, it emphasizes the SoT mantra "We all hear things differently." Perhaps the best - or maybe the worst - result of the episode for me is it created a new commitment to track down and re-listen to some of the albums that could not be tolerated when bought upon release to see if I still have the same reaction. First on the list is the 1969 eponymous album by the group named The Flock. We'll see what happens from there. But again - special thanks to Luis, George, Ken, Eric, Steven, and Pete for such a highly entertaining and, in its own way, educational show. Great fun!
Thanks John, loved reading your feedback. That's the exact spirit and approach I hoped the viewers would take. We all here things differently, and it gives viewers a chance to hear where we are coming from a little bit more. And honestly, having a few real belly laughs throughout the episode made it for me, an absolute blast. I really respect the opinions, whether I agree is not relevant, it was very interesting.
I have a new favorite SOT video! :-) Gentlemen, I loved this. I loved it *so much* that I'm on my second full viewing of the complete video, lol! As much as I cherish most of the albums he chose, George had no mercy and took no prisoners, and I respect that! :-) Luis' relaxed, laid-back, cheery attitude about the *in-detail hating* (which was the point of the video, of course, hehe) of albums that he loves was great!
"So why do I have to suffer? If I'm in therapy, I've got my own problems!" - K. Golden. Oh man, how did I miss that one the first time around? Fantastic!
Jeez, this was the most fun I've had in a while... Painfully funny at times... King Crimson! Really enjoyed a few of the videos over the last few days and learnt a lot too, heard some new music. Great stuff and great mix of guests across the shows... Thanks to you all.
@@Andrey_Yurkoff Miles Davis' ENTIRE career, from the hardbop days to the limp fusion has never resonated with me. The best thing about Davis is that he got awesome musicians in his band, and their projects away from Davis were always more interesting. In fact, honestly, the only one of George's takes that I disagree with is _Court_ but I can understand WHY someone wouldn't enjoy the album. It has pacing issues.
I just can't get into anything by Dream Theatre or Tool....I find them both a bit grating. And yes it's their vocal styles. I clearly hear nice music....but as soon as they sing my hackles rise, I start growling and I scratch at the door viciously.... 🐕And I do not get why either. I love any music that hits normally....
I feel exactly the same way about Tool. Not a fan of Maynard's vocals. I do like the song Schism mainly for the bassline though. Dream Theatre I've never gotten into either. As a general rule if I don't like the singer I'm probably not gonna like the band.
@@SuperStrik9 That's precisely why I've never liked Led Zeppelin (but oddly enough, I DO like Robert's solo 80s and 90s stuff..................guess I'm a weirdo, I dunno).
Music appreciation is such an individual & subjective thing. As the old saying goes, one man's trash is another man's treasure. The great thing about this format is these guys can speak their mind with respect. Opinions are passionate but everything's taken with great humor. Great channel Pete. Cheers
Although I like a lot of the early YES-stuff( as a band)...it is indeed not only Jon Anderson's vocals but also his behaviour that is annoying. Few Years back ( an induction on a Hall-Of -Fame in New York)Yes was there as a band that evening with two members of Rush. When Jon went to the microphone to say some things...it was like..."yeah pretty amazing and all too beautiful"...like a hippie who came back out of his time machine! Glad they had Rick Wakeman afterwards ,who at his best is like a stand up comedian with no nonsense bullshit!
Pardon the pun but it’s “The Crime of the Century “ that this album by Supertramp was selected for the above category. How can anyone not love “ Rudy” as well the rest of this amazing album that has no filler on it . Most people will remember this album best for “ Dreamer “ and “ Bloody Well Right “.
@@christopherdavies3079 Tough to label categorize, which actually makes it great. Title track certainly very proggy to me. Bloody Well Right and School not so much. I seem to be in the minority on this, but its by far my favorite album from these guys.
"This guy just should have been in therapy, and he shouldn't have made an album." "Well that was his f**king therapy." "Yeah, but why do I have to suffer." I feel that way about everything Roger Waters ever did. He created his own genre of music... "whine rock".
I would say his awful vocals don’t help, ND. I’ve never got on with Roger’s vocals and much prefer it when Gilmour sang, or even Richard Wright/Syd Barrett.
I have always been a Floyd/David Gilmour fan. I found Roger whiny and self-indulgent and quickly tired of his perpetual bad mood. However, I saw Roger live just before COVID and the show was totally awesome. I am really sorry I never got to see the original lineup, but glad I did get to see Roger. It was a bombastic, over-the-top arena show, but musically satisfying as well.
Also: "My father was in WW2, you don't see ME making an album!" "But your father LIVED!" "Yeah, and he wouldn't be caught dead listening to this shit."
I've seen this episode dozens of times by now. I love metal, not so much prog, but I really enjoy watching In the Prog Seat. I really enjoy the cast, especially the guys in this episode. Thank you for the good moments/laughs and your music knowledge. Really good show!!!
For me, Luis 'nails it' when he says, "You can't hide song-writing." Along with Pete's own albums he hates, he did some ime ago .. it's interesting that the 'real' stuff comes out .. George is going for it .. Court of the Crimson King and Crime of the Century ... lol .. excellent. I love both albums .. but it's subjective and great fun.
Very heartfelt and entertaining! Great to see some warm-hearted ribbing and just how respectful you guys are towards each other's opinions. Standing ovation for you all!
Thanks Alan, I love being on with these guys, they really know there stuff. Respect them all, and fun to hear their opinions. We all have albums that we just don't like, that others feel are classics
The final cut would have to be one of the most divisive albums in history. I love it, I also love ummagumma. ITCOCK is ok but not brilliant, Red is better.
The Court Of The Crimson King is not my favorite KC album but it is amazing and was groundbreaking at the time. I remember seeing that cover as a little boy. I just wondered what could be inside. Later I found out. An incredible musical book of stories. Surreal and wonderful.
You guys are great. I appreciate your knowledge and your candid views. I'm a huge prog rock fan and listening to your views on the worst prog rock albums, I couldn't agree more. Like Ken, my favourite prog rock band is ELP. To see this band go from what they were to what they became, was not just disappointing, it was tragic, for me anyway.
Although I disagree with a few picks (The Final Cut being a big one) this is surely one of the most entertaining vids the team has done. Odd because I don't like "snarkyness" but really this isn't that. Much more about individual taste and I find that fascinating. That and George's total fearlessness in the face of an impending avalance of "WTF dude?" responses. Go team...
I think George had it right in picking from the canon of what Progressive Rock is known to be. Weak albums by great artists should not surprise anyone. For me, ELP's Brain Salad Surgery. I don't need to hear anymore. I owned vinyl and then the c.d. but I got rid of both copies. I like Tarkus and Trilogy better. By the way "Pirates" from Works Vol. 1 sounds like a Broadway show tune mixed with rock music. I do like parts of it. I'm not a fan of Genesis' "Foxtrot." It takes too long for Watcher of the Skies to get going. Sure Supper's Ready is on there, but the version of Seconds Out is just as good. I agree about Pink Floyd's "The Final Cut." I'm not a fan of Atom Heart Mother-side 1. There is a live version on Cre/ation without the orchestra and chorus that is actually better.
Agreed, I thought the intent of the show would be to skewer highly-regarded albums like George did, not reiterate albums universally regarded as stinkers.
I agree with BSS. There some nice parts in it, but most of it is overblown with childish lyrics. Trilogy is far far better. And sure, everything after it is nothing mentionable
Very disappointed to hear "We Can't Dance" being nominated. For me the Genesis "stinker" was "Invisible Touch". The title track is the cheesiest ever, "Tonight Tonight Tonight" is quite long but is very repetitive and goes nowhere. There are the usual array of Phil Collins type ballads. "Domino" is passable but not a patch on "Home By The Sea" for me. I regard WCD as something of a return to form for the band. True, it isn't a patch on the 1970s Genesis albums and it is way too long with quite a lot of filler. But the following would have made a very decent post 1970s album: No Son Of Mine Driving The Last Spike Dreaming While You Sleep On The Shoreline (an outtake from the sessions) Living Forever Way Of The World (awful lyrics not withstanding) Fading Lights
Back in the '70's, when I was in my teens, I was heavily into prog (and still am). In the '80's, I was sorely disappointed that most of my favorite prog bands had greatly altered and watered down their music--especially Genesis. (And yes, Asia really pissed me off.) Still, I managed to see a few of the bands live--Rennaissance, Yes, Genesis, Rush and Wishbone Ash--and they were all FANTASTIC! Probably because--in the concert hall or club--they had a "captive" audience and had the freedom to do what they loved.
100% disagree with the choice of Crime of the Century but 100% understand. It’s one of my all time favorite albums but I’m only allowed to listen to it when I’m alone. My wife and daughter both can’t stand it. It just goes to show that everyone has different tastes and we all need to respect that. Great conversation and show!
Ryan Hopefully you share a few albums that you all love. It's always a bummer when your loved ones literally forbid you from listening to some records but when you have a few you all love it more than makes up for it.
This is my favorite episode yet. It's interesting to me that sharing your hatred for these beloved albums has a funny way of exposing your love for one another. In the end, that's what it's all about. You guys rock!
I'm only up to George's first three picks and I think they are more true to what I assumed the show would be about - i.e. instead of picking obvious stinkers that most everyone considers stinkers, he picked albums that are rated highly.
Yeah but those are not rated highly without a reason :D In the Court is like the essence of Prog. I will never understand a Prog fan arguing with that album being one of the best of its genre. :D
The 2019 remix of "Momentary Lapse of Reason" actually sounds like a proper Pink Floyd album. The 80s sound is stripped back, Nick Mason adds his own drum parts to most of the songs, and Rick Wright's keyboard parts from live shows are mixed into the studio tracks. The song "Dogs of War" is actually listenable. A much better sound than the original release.
I love Lapse Of Reason. Such beautiful songs. The guitar work is amazing and so heartfelt. If you ever have a break up listen to this album and the Division Bell. They'll catch and you'll never hear them the same way again. Both amazing gems in their own right.
This show was awesome so very funny George la smashed his pics out of the park supertramp crime of. King crimson court of wtff probably the best album’s ever made in prog 😂😂😂🤘
Finally! Someone who hates VdGG as much as me! Peter Hamill and the annoying sax of David Jackson. They take the most grating of King Crimson's Islands and double down on the irritation. If one goes on prog sites, however, VdGG is referred to with reverence. "Whoa, they are waaaaay out there! Now THAT is progressive!" There is a reason why they didn't sell albums outside their circle of friends. As for ELP's Works, I think they decided to put it under the ELP umbrella for marketing purposes. Yes made their solo album period and none of them sold well except perhaps Fish Out Of Water. Works Vol. 1 went Gold in several countries.
ELP coming off Black Moon in 92, I was expecting Hot Seat to be as good. That didn't happen. It finally came on vinyl last year, and I held my nose and got it, just for the completist in me
Steven's picks: 1. Marillion - Radiation 2. Emerson Lake & Palmer - The Works 3. Dream Theater - Systematic Chaos 4. Pink Floyd - Piper At The Gates Of Dawn 5. Neal Morse - Momentum HM’s The Flower Kings - The Banks Of Eden The Gentle Storm - S/T Tony Banks - (in general) The Fugitive Eric's picks: 5. Pink Floyd - Ummagumma 4. Soft Machine - Third 3. Jethro Tull - Under Wraps 2. GTR 1. Van Der Graf Generator - Pawn Hearts Pete's picks: Jethro Tull-Under Wraps Pink Floyd-The Final Cut Gentle Giant-Giant for a Day Yes-Open Your Eyes Dream Theater-The Astonishing ELP-In the Hot Seat Genesis-We Can’t Dance Alan Parsons Project-Gaudi Saga-The Beginners Guide to Throwing Shapes Renaissance-Time Line Ken's picks: 5. Genesis - We Can't Dance 4. Pink Floyd - The Final Cut 3. Emerson Lake & Palmer - In The Hot Seat 2. Asia - Asia 1. Colin Scot - Colin Scot HM - Triumvirat - A La Carte and also Russian Roulette Circus Maximus - Nine
Bought the 2021 remaster which sounds great, but yeah it fits towards the bottom of their catalog. I think he chose that one partly because he owns a copy to show us. I'll take it over Steel Umbrellas, Pleasure and the Pain and Wildest Dreams.
The anticipation, thinking a wonderful feast of prog was about to hit the eardrums......and we were served mickey d's. Bland and pompous, hard to pull off.
I have to agree, to a point! Out of Four sides on 2 records, about one third are really good songs! But I really can’t, very rarely listen to the whole album all the way through, (as opposed to DSOTM, WYWH, and Animals, which I can listen to on repeat forever!!
Miserable and depressing aren't criticisms when it comes to art. Why do you want an album about fatherlessness, war, corruption, infidelity, etc to be happy?
Thank you for sharing......"Rick".... Name a Floyd album, a real one, that is not filled with depression. Every album, including the Barret LPS cover very dark subjects.
@@nectarinedreams7208 - I don't want an album about those topics to be happy; I want it to be whatever the artist intended it to be. I'm just saying it's something I'd rather not listen to.
Good afternoon all, This was by far my favorite ITPS episode! My compadres all poured it out truthfully and that’s what makes this a great show. Although both Anthony and I weren’t involved in the show, as you see were were both here in spirit. And a big kudos to you all and especially Señor Luis for being part of this panel despite his health challenges. Here’s my list. 1. In The Wake of The Poseidon-King Crimson 2. The Wall-Pink Floyd 3. Nursery Cryme-Genesis 4. The Yes Album-Yes 5. 2112-Rush
What a fun show. Hard to see some of my own "sacred cows" being shot down: "In a Silent Way", "Third", "Pawn Hearts", "In the Court of the Crimson King". I didn't like the criticism of Neal Morse which went beyond the music. I am a Christian but I did not connect with the "Testimony" album. It confirmed my fears that the music would not be as equally important as the message. However, I think the subsequent albums "One" and "Sola Scriptura" are excellent. Yet, I haven't been happy with his recent projects. Most interesting discussion on ELP. They really stopped being a band after BSS. A real shame.
I've been thinking more about the Neal Morse criticism, and it is interesting to see how some folks in the prog industry reacted to Neal's initial conversion. But that was also almost 20 years ago. Over the last 10 years he has worked with Transatlantic, Flying Colors, and NMB (which is more of a band concept than Morse solo) and the lyrics from those bands are more secular like classic Spock's Beard.
@@Kevinhamradio Same kind of weird thing happened with Mark Farner after he left (or was pushed out of) Grand Funk. I saw him in a club in the late 80s playing a guitar with Jesus with the thorny and bloodied crown... I think he played like four GFR songs brilliantly. I think he's kind of not gone so far into that realm in the past 20 years, but he's probably one of the greatest living guitarist around. Find one of those live versions of "Inside Looking Out" on YT and it'll blow your mind, honest! 😉 👌
I’m not sure Piper at the Gates of Dawn is a Prog record at all. I always considered it a psychedelic album. Colin Scot’s record as well. It was a folk record with some session musicians culled from Prog bands.
on those days when my woman left, my dog died, my truck broke, and I've got the pukes, you know, just feelin' kinda blue, I come back to this.. sometimes I only need the 1st 10 minutes. History made here
When people say they don’t like prog I wonder if they only mean 70s bands comprising men with beards and brown cardigans; playing jazz-influenced stuff and flutes prominent. There’s a heck of a lot of bands classed as prog rock, and many that sound completely different from each other.
Over the years 'The Final Cut' has grown in my estimation so much that it's now the Pink Floyd album I listen to the most. I think it has Roger Waters' most affecting lyrics and vocals. It's arguable how much one should consider it a band album, but I think it's an excellent one nevertheless.
Great show! Subscribing right now. That said, I would rather listen to every album listed here before I ever suffer through Yes - Open Your Eyes ever again.
I remember ELP "Works" tour was the first concert (in the Detroit area anyway) to charge DOUBLE DIGITS!!!! ($11!!!) Never Mind that unlike most groups who bring in local orchestras each stop, ELP brought their own Orchestra/infrastructure.
Luis made some really good points about the album "Under Wraps" and Ian Anderson. Is it classic Tull ? No. Is it a great Tull album ? No. But it is interesting music. Set these songs to different Instrumentation - guitar and flute - and the album doesn`t get dumped on. He`s right about Ian Anderson having a certain level of quality. It`s not my favorite Jethro Tull album and I get why people hate it, but the songs are a lot more interesting than most of what was being released around the same time period.
Thanks for watching Jeffrey, and I agree with Luis' take, that there are some good songs at the core. But the arrangements, production, lack of much Martin Barre and synth/drum sounds buried those songs in a pile of shit. Too much good Tull to spend time on Under Wraps for me. Appreciate and respect your thoughts, and thanks for watching!
Man, I hope Luis survived that. IMHO the following. I Can't make an Album now - absolutely man. Under bags (J Tull) terrible except the acoustic song of title. A choice of mine: Wishbone Ash 4 mostly insipid AOR nonsense. Saga produced some stinkers up until the 90's when they started producing decent albums again funnily enough I quite like Steel Umbrellas and from then on. Gentle Giant could have farted a madrigal into buckets and I'd still have loved it. Overtime the GG poppy album has grown on me. If Annie repeatedly vomited into a a drain I'd still love her - those albums from '79 are poppy but there's still a lot to enjoy I feel. Always thought Olias was cobblers but everyone said how great it was almost convincing me. Good reissue booklet though - that I haven't touched yet. I have every piece of music VDGG or Peter Hammill have ever released. Bank's first album Curious Feeling is a superb classic, yes subsequent albums are bobbins. George had simply been controlled by his animus! I'm off to listen to the Colin Scott ne Thistlewaite album sounds magic. I've listened to a song so far but I think Ken is being a bit mean with his criticism considering it isn't supposed to be a prog album but folk. I rather liked the first track. Also listened to Diagonal and love them specially Arc their third album - a must for all VDGG fans: reminded me of vDGG, Human League and Joy Division although they seem to have a very wide range of influences and aren't afraid to use them. Highly recommended, the live in Leeds album on Bandcamp for Pay What You Want at the moment. Lastly, a call out to Ken, talking of VDGG, can you possibly look into getting the Areknames lads back together to make a new album. What a superb group they were but sadly overlooked. Stay luminous guys. Classic show, gotta be a part 2.
What a fun and enjoyable episode. Ranks among my favorite episodes from SoT. I knew going in to this that The Astonishing was going to get beat up…it’s not for everyone but I love that record. Really surprised by Ken’s take on Nine by Circus Maximus. I think that’s their best. It’s Havoc that I would absolutely mentioned in a top 5. It’s really not great, especially from a band as capable as CM. Thanks guys! Would love a part 2 someday!
Thanks for the reminder. Havoc was probably even worse than Nine. I forgot how bad it was. Taking 5 years after the brilliant Isolate, Nine was a failure for me.
A very fun episode indeed. We like what we like, and even great bands make stinkers. Funny thing is, your stinkers aren't nescessarily mine. ;-) Concerning Circus Maximus, I completely agree, Havoc did nothing for me, but I love Nine. Less proggy than the two first albums for sure, a great album nonetheless. The Circus guys do love their 80's metal and their AOR as well as their prog, as seen in their other projects. Perfect blend for me really. :-)
Pete, I LOVE this episode. You guys are so fun. I almost feel like I'm sitting at the table with you. My buddies and I are kind of like this, but you guys were beyond hilarious (Love the flaming of Asia's first album). Love all that you do. Thanks so much! Keep it Up, Please : )
Love Asia's debut and GTR's sole release. Admittedly, far from progressive milestones, but taken as AOR albums, both are fantastic collections that I enjoy to this day (and "Sketches In The Sun" remains arguably my favorite Howe solo piece). Great episode, guys. Love these discussions and the passion they stir for the music we love! BTW: What's the back story on the head bandage, Luis? Recent surgery? Just curious, as your hospital room and situation seems to be the elephant in the room.
I definitely need to check out more from Max Bacon.When ever I think of who my favorite vocalists are,for some reason or other I always forget about Max.
Here are some recent ones that are sacred cows from bands that I love: Marillion - “FEAR” and Big Big Train - “Grand Tour”. Both are pretentious bores to me
Very, VERY funny show I must admit. Thanks! My "worst" list: 5) - W: all Marillion albums with Steve Hogart on vocals; I don't get them... 4) - WO: Dream Theater "Astonishing" (plus couple of more DT albums) 3) - WOR: Saga "Wildest Dreams" It's not prog at all anymore, but still includes some good tracks with great guitar playing by Crichton. 2) - WORS: Jethro Tull "Under Wraps" (plus couple of their 80's albums too...) 1) - WORST: Jon Anderson "Olias Of Sunhillow" (oh my god...)
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I have to rewatch this every once in a while. Funniest show on the internet! Pete’s reaction when George starts with «In the Court…» is priceless, and gets me every time😂
I must say Pete, Sea Of Tranquility has really helped me through this whole pandemic. What an oasis! This episode was a combination of HILARIOUS and OUTRAGEOUS! What a fantastic episode! Thanks to everyone involved!
Thanks Rob, I watch SOT more than regular TV.
SNL can only hope to be this funny.
@@reducecotwo too kind my friend! Thank you
couldn't agree more.
I have to say 100% agree. About every morning I have started the day with whatever Pete has had to say.
Coming back to this for the 50th odd time.I have to say this is my favourite TH-cam moment of all time! Nothing can top this!
Getting into Van Der Graaf Generator takes time, but once you're hooked you will never stop listening to them. Scorched Earth, Killer, House With no Door, Wondering, My Room (Waiting For Wonderland), Meurglys III (The Songwriter's Guild), Pilgrims, Refugees and Hammill's solo material like Forsaken Gardens are just sublime, incredibly beautiful and atmospheric. Hammill's voice works more often than not. The other guys might not be so flashy, but their playing is certainly tasteful. Definitely in my top 10 bands of all time. Pawn Hearts may not be the most musical or melodic VDGG album, but it's very much appreciated. You need to have a mega brain and very strong vision to come up with something like Plague of the Lighthouse Keepers, or Man-Erg.
Thanks for watching and your comments.
I've tried with VDGG (H to He, Still Life, Pawn Hearts) and none of them connected with me on any level, and I really dislike Hammill's vocals.
It's been said on SOT many times...we all hear things differently.
That's the beauty of this episode, it was fun, at times surprising, but honest opinions. I didn't agree with everyone's picks, but it intrigued me when an album was mentioned that I like. I respect these guys, and can relate.
I can understand why people have problems with Peter’s vocals, it’s not always pleasent to the eras,. I also have problems, but I just love his music. He is a great songwriter in my opinion.
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@@marguskiis7711 huh?
Well said. They're my favorite band these days. It boggles my mind that a fan of prog wouldn't like them.
This episode is a classic. I've rewatched it on numerous occasions. George (Thanos like) lays waste to Prog monoliths with casual abandon, it really it a sight to behold.
George is a classic. Epic vid
well written comment
Pretty much everything by Crimson could be dismissed as pretentious unlistenable and noodle but they had a golden era about 1973 - 75.
@@Jlipnicki Ah..no...
This was a blast! Definitely needs a Part 2.
love the fact that when Pete is dissing Dream Theater, George's cat is cleaning it's arse!
Asher has no sense of decorum! :D
@@georgelamie7001
Like most cats! 🙀
The best part of this so far is watching Pete laugh.
Excellent show. Let’s be honest, there is a whole host of shit prog albums out there.
Thanks for watching and the compliment, and yes, there are plenty of turds to choose from
By the way Pete, when is the "hated prog albums that you love" show coming?
That's a great idea.
Fuck me, that's meta.
YES! GREAT idea! How about you make this happen, Pete?
This is why SOT is best on the net being able to criticise bands we love.
I don't agree with every pick, but this is the best show that you have ever done and I've been watching over 2 years !!
Keep on Rockin"
Thanks for watching Joe, it was such a blast
We knew this would be a love it or hate it episode. Great to hear you loved it Joe!
Me neither.
Umma Gumma is misindeesrood.experimentalism isnt ecclusive to virtuosos.
You hit the naik on its head with the review of Genesis'"We cant dance!!!!!!!! Its a Piece of trash!!
Best show ever! Watching faces as the respected George takes down classic records, like a slaughterhouse operator. So great! Please do this topic again.
I have always found it amazing when grown men can't accept others opinions. Nothing wrong with being surprised when someone dislikes something universally enjoyed but the " youre' wrong " " you're taste sucks " comments just show a level of immaturity that doesn't make sense to me hearing it from adults. Luckily I didn't see that in this episode. I found it really enjoyable. We all have different opinions and it really should be celebrated. It just gets boring to me when everyone likes the exact same thing.
Nasser: "The traditional YES fan will buy a dead cat as long as it has a YES logo on it." As a YES fan, I can say that it's probably true. HA!
Luis is spot on with that, thanks for watching Don
I’m guilty of that.
Is that dead cat cd already out yet? I have a bootleg of the dead cat but I'd love to get a pristine professional release, esp if S Wilson was involved.
@@docbobster - it's one of the cats from the Tales from Topographic Oceans cover...
@@RickNBacker If it was Topographic Oceans . . . you are seeing "Catfish" :p.
I didn't know what to expect from this review, I almost passed this one up but I was so surprised to see Pete laugh and bust a gut like I have never seen before. I laughed incredibly hard at so many of the reviews and comments. I think this is one of the best videos I have seen on this channel! I really did need a good laugh before going to bed. Thank you guys, this was awesome- who would have guessed- so much fun :)
Thanks for taking this in the spirit it was intended John. It was great fun, and the whole crew were laughing throughout. Appreciate your positive feedback and thanks for watching
How can George not like “Epitaph” on In The Court? That’s such a great song.
@Chris Kozak yeah, Moonchild meanders too much, it is the weakest song on the album.
I lump Epitaph and the title track in the same mould mainly because of the haunting mellotron.
Epitaph is one of my all-time favorite tunes!!! A song so good someone used the name for a record company.
Moonchild is the worst song on it but the other tracks are so good it doesn't matter. Epitaph is one of the best songs ever!
Nothing beats the first KC Album. How can anyone involved in Prog don't like that? Very very strange
Kudos to George for going right for the jugular!
Pete's face as the stinker albums are revealed is amazing 👏
Pete looks scared to ask George what's next. The reactions of the rest of the panel when George picked Crime of the Century are pure gold
You guys tore some of my favorite albums to pieces and I loved it. This was such a fun episode. I gotta lie down now.
Thanks for watching, I was surprised as well by some of the picks, and that's what made it awesome.
@@ericporter344 Thanks for being part of the crew, you're doing fantastic work. Also, I particularly enjoy the part of you "hating" on Pawn hearts. Because it's great that you TRIED to love an album that I love. It's amazing how we give music a chance because others adore it, yet sometimes it doesn't click for us.
@@mladent1464 Thanks, as I got into Prog and did my research (many moons ago), VDGG always came up as an elite and respected band. I bought 3 of their CDs over the years, thinking I must be missing something. Turns out they are just not for me. Never intend to disrespect someone's art, I know they put their heart and soul into it.
Got to agree with anything that has neal morse on it. He's a musician that makes a living doing prog.
What can I say... I'm a devoted VDGG fan.... and of Peter Hammill's solo work.... which includes his Rikki Nadir alter ego....
Different strokes, all cool in the name of fun. Thanks for watching
Every Bloody Emperor is incredible. I was 16 in 1980 when I was handed an old heavy vinyl copy of The Least We Can Do ...my first listen to them . Awesome music . 👍
Saw him two weeks ago in concert. He looks ancient but sings brilliantly still.
"My father was in World War II. You don't see me making an album." Quote of the year.
Almost like Roger Waters was an artist in a band and Ken isn't. Funny, that... I like when Pink Floyd lyrics are actually about something and not, you know, relatable and profound things such as getting your pilots license.
Speaking as a 58-year-old classic rock/prog chick, I hated to see this episode end. Thoroughly enjoyed you guys!!!
Thanks Andi, love hearing that you enjoyed the show. Appreciate you tuning in.
@@ericporter344 Thanks!
Gentlemen - Epic episode! Some might not enjoy a review of what you don't like rather than what you do like but, at least to me, it provides additional insight to the views and opinions of people whose opinions you do generally trust and follow. Special kudos to Luis for participating from the hospital and more special kudos to George for adding a level of the unexpected to this great episode. Luis was right when he said "This is perfect" after George made his first pick. Most importantly, it emphasizes the SoT mantra "We all hear things differently." Perhaps the best - or maybe the worst - result of the episode for me is it created a new commitment to track down and re-listen to some of the albums that could not be tolerated when bought upon release to see if I still have the same reaction. First on the list is the 1969 eponymous album by the group named The Flock. We'll see what happens from there. But again - special thanks to Luis, George, Ken, Eric, Steven, and Pete for such a highly entertaining and, in its own way, educational show. Great fun!
Thanks John, loved reading your feedback. That's the exact spirit and approach I hoped the viewers would take. We all here things differently, and it gives viewers a chance to hear where we are coming from a little bit more.
And honestly, having a few real belly laughs throughout the episode made it for me, an absolute blast. I really respect the opinions, whether I agree is not relevant, it was very interesting.
Thanks, as ever, for your support John. Always enjoy reading your thoughts and you 'got' this episode perfectly.
I have a new favorite SOT video! :-) Gentlemen, I loved this. I loved it *so much* that I'm on my second full viewing of the complete video, lol! As much as I cherish most of the albums he chose, George had no mercy and took no prisoners, and I respect that! :-) Luis' relaxed, laid-back, cheery attitude about the *in-detail hating* (which was the point of the video, of course, hehe) of albums that he loves was great!
Thanks for watching!
OK....you guys have to do a Part 2 for this...this was SO much FUN! Absolutely fookin' brilliant.
"So why do I have to suffer? If I'm in therapy, I've got my own problems!" - K. Golden. Oh man, how did I miss that one the first time around? Fantastic!
Yeah. I tried watching Schindler's List the other day but I had to turn it off after 20 minutes. I've got my own problems. Why do I need to suffer?!
Jeez, this was the most fun I've had in a while... Painfully funny at times... King Crimson! Really enjoyed a few of the videos over the last few days and learnt a lot too, heard some new music. Great stuff and great mix of guests across the shows... Thanks to you all.
George is clearly the star of this show so here are the timestamps for his picks:
3:49
21:12
38:51
59:02
1:24:40
I enjoy coming back to this video every once in a while, lol
@@reducecotwo same! 😄
Agree on Pawn Hearts and Miles Davies.
with picks like that i wonder what he does like? =)
@@Andrey_Yurkoff Miles Davis' ENTIRE career, from the hardbop days to the limp fusion has never resonated with me. The best thing about Davis is that he got awesome musicians in his band, and their projects away from Davis were always more interesting.
In fact, honestly, the only one of George's takes that I disagree with is _Court_ but I can understand WHY someone wouldn't enjoy the album. It has pacing issues.
I just can't get into anything by Dream Theatre or Tool....I find them both a bit grating. And yes it's their vocal styles. I clearly hear nice music....but as soon as they sing my hackles rise, I start growling and I scratch at the door viciously.... 🐕And I do not get why either. I love any music that hits normally....
I feel exactly the same way about Tool. Not a fan of Maynard's vocals. I do like the song Schism mainly for the bassline though. Dream Theatre I've never gotten into either. As a general rule if I don't like the singer I'm probably not gonna like the band.
@@SuperStrik9 That's precisely why I've never liked Led Zeppelin (but oddly enough, I DO like Robert's solo 80s and 90s stuff..................guess I'm a weirdo, I dunno).
@@davidl570 Yeah, no offence but that's weird lol.
Music appreciation is such an individual & subjective thing. As the old saying goes, one man's trash is another man's treasure. The great thing about this format is these guys can speak their mind with respect. Opinions are passionate but everything's taken with great humor. Great channel Pete. Cheers
Although I like a lot of the early YES-stuff( as a band)...it is indeed not only Jon Anderson's vocals but also his behaviour that is annoying. Few Years back ( an induction on a Hall-Of -Fame in New York)Yes was there as a band that evening with two members of Rush. When Jon went to the microphone to say some things...it was like..."yeah pretty amazing and all too beautiful"...like a hippie who came back out of his time machine! Glad they had Rick Wakeman afterwards ,who at his best is like a stand up comedian with no nonsense bullshit!
Pardon the pun but it’s “The Crime of the Century “ that this album by Supertramp was selected for the above category.
How can anyone not love “ Rudy” as well the rest of this amazing album that has no filler on it .
Most people will remember this album best for “ Dreamer “ and “ Bloody Well Right “.
THat's why it was a Crime for Dreamer and Bloody to have been on the album
Agreed. Discovered CotC and weed together in 1974 and have loved both since.
Love COTC. Other than Dreamer...which is annoying as hell, I love the album. Not a prog album in my eyes though
@@Olliemets If it’s not Prog , then what label would you put on it as it’s most certainly not Pop ?
@@christopherdavies3079 Tough to label categorize, which actually makes it great. Title track certainly very proggy to me. Bloody Well Right and School not so much. I seem to be in the minority on this, but its by far my favorite album from these guys.
"This guy just should have been in therapy, and he shouldn't have made an album."
"Well that was his f**king therapy."
"Yeah, but why do I have to suffer."
I feel that way about everything Roger Waters ever did. He created his own genre of music... "whine rock".
Yeah, because criticising pro-war sentiments, consumerism and facism is whining. Get real.
I would say his awful vocals don’t help, ND. I’ve never got on with Roger’s vocals and much prefer it when Gilmour sang, or even Richard Wright/Syd Barrett.
I have always been a Floyd/David Gilmour fan. I found Roger whiny and self-indulgent and quickly tired of his perpetual bad mood. However, I saw Roger live just before COVID and the show was totally awesome. I am really sorry I never got to see the original lineup, but glad I did get to see Roger. It was a bombastic, over-the-top arena show, but musically satisfying as well.
Also:
"My father was in WW2, you don't see ME making an album!"
"But your father LIVED!"
"Yeah, and he wouldn't be caught dead listening to this shit."
How come nobody mentions Rick Wakeman's notorious turds?
I've seen this episode dozens of times by now. I love metal, not so much prog, but I really enjoy watching In the Prog Seat. I really enjoy the cast, especially the guys in this episode. Thank you for the good moments/laughs and your music knowledge. Really good show!!!
For me, Luis 'nails it' when he says, "You can't hide song-writing." Along with Pete's own albums he hates, he did some ime ago .. it's interesting that the 'real' stuff comes out .. George is going for it .. Court of the Crimson King and Crime of the Century ... lol .. excellent. I love both albums .. but it's subjective and great fun.
Pete: "All right... George?"
George: "Continuing on my path to Pete banning me from this show..."
Theme of this episode.
Very heartfelt and entertaining! Great to see some warm-hearted ribbing and just how respectful you guys are towards each other's opinions. Standing ovation for you all!
Thanks Alan, I love being on with these guys, they really know there stuff. Respect them all, and fun to hear their opinions. We all have albums that we just don't like, that others feel are classics
Under wraps is horrible and so is rest of a knave the worst Tull albums.
Stop showing the CDs show only theLPs.
What the hell is he showing at the eighteen minute bmark
Everyone seems to hate some dream theater albums.why botherentioningh them.
OMG, this is great, best episode yet.
The final cut would have to be one of the most divisive albums in history. I love it, I also love ummagumma.
ITCOCK is ok but not brilliant, Red is better.
I love Ummagumma lol, one of my fondly remembered Floyd albums and own it twice on vinyl
The Court Of The Crimson King is not my favorite KC album but it is amazing and was groundbreaking at the time. I remember seeing that cover as a little boy. I just wondered what could be inside. Later I found out. An incredible musical book of stories. Surreal and wonderful.
Loved watching this, what a laugh. Inspired me to go and listen again to one of my favourite prog albums of all time................Pawn Hearts.
Thanks for watch David, glad you got a laugh from it, that was the spirit that was intended for this episode.
With Pawn Hearts, start with a big bongful before you judge...listen in silence and soak it all in.
You guys are great. I appreciate your knowledge and your candid views. I'm a huge prog rock fan and listening to your views on the worst prog rock albums, I couldn't agree more. Like Ken, my favourite prog rock band is ELP. To see this band go from what they were to what they became, was not just disappointing, it was tragic, for me anyway.
Thanks Stephen, glad you enjoyed the show
Although I disagree with a few picks (The Final Cut being a big one) this is surely one of the most entertaining vids the team has done. Odd because I don't like "snarkyness" but really this isn't that. Much more about individual taste and I find that fascinating. That and George's total fearlessness in the face of an impending avalance of "WTF dude?" responses. Go team...
George Lamie is a legend.
I think George had it right in picking from the canon of what Progressive Rock is known to be. Weak albums by great artists should not surprise anyone. For me, ELP's Brain Salad Surgery. I don't need to hear anymore. I owned vinyl and then the c.d. but I got rid of both copies. I like Tarkus and Trilogy better. By the way "Pirates" from Works Vol. 1 sounds like a Broadway show tune mixed with rock music. I do like parts of it. I'm not a fan of Genesis' "Foxtrot." It takes too long for Watcher of the Skies to get going.
Sure Supper's Ready is on there, but the version of Seconds Out is just as good. I agree about Pink Floyd's "The Final Cut." I'm not a fan of Atom Heart Mother-side 1. There is a live version on Cre/ation without the orchestra and chorus that is actually better.
Agreed, I thought the intent of the show would be to skewer highly-regarded albums like George did, not reiterate albums universally regarded as stinkers.
I agree with BSS. There some nice parts in it, but most of it is overblown with childish lyrics. Trilogy is far far better. And sure, everything after it is nothing mentionable
Very disappointed to hear "We Can't Dance" being nominated. For me the Genesis "stinker" was "Invisible Touch". The title track is the cheesiest ever, "Tonight Tonight Tonight" is quite long but is very repetitive and goes nowhere. There are the usual array of Phil Collins type ballads. "Domino" is passable but not a patch on "Home By The Sea" for me. I regard WCD as something of a return to form for the band. True, it isn't a patch on the 1970s Genesis albums and it is way too long with quite a lot of filler. But the following would have made a very decent post 1970s album:
No Son Of Mine
Driving The Last Spike
Dreaming While You Sleep
On The Shoreline (an outtake from the sessions)
Living Forever
Way Of The World (awful lyrics not withstanding)
Fading Lights
This episode made me laugh... a lot, and I'm a miserable fuck. Thank you!
Thanks for watching, it was a blast
Episode of the year👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻you’re great, guys!
Thanks Gianni, appreciate the compliment.
Back in the '70's, when I was in my teens, I was heavily into prog (and still am). In the '80's, I was sorely disappointed that most of my favorite prog bands had greatly altered and watered down their music--especially Genesis. (And yes, Asia really pissed me off.) Still, I managed to see a few of the bands live--Rennaissance, Yes, Genesis, Rush and Wishbone Ash--and they were all FANTASTIC! Probably because--in the concert hall or club--they had a "captive" audience and had the freedom to do what they loved.
I'm only 20 minutes in and George is crushing Pete's soul.
George is the best
Floyd’s Umma Gumma has set the controls fir the heart of the sun, a hypnotic masterpiece. OTOH If I never hear The Wall again…
It has the live version. Set the Controls is on Saucerful of Secrets
Yes, although the Wall contains some of the most iconic songs, I just can’t bring myself to listening to the entire album anymore!
@@nectarinedreams7208 thanks-somehow never listened to that album.
@@nectarinedreams7208 .....................and it's MUCH better than the studio version.
Really enjoyable vlog, keep them coming, ready for the next show already.
I’m one of those that think Piper is the best album Pink Floyd ever did. Maybe it’s also because it is not a prog album…
Great to see some NEARfest peeps! Get well soon, Luis!
Catching up on my Sea of Tranquilities-Skimmed through this one again while binging. All I can say is...hilarious episode. Thanks Pete.
100% disagree with the choice of Crime of the Century but 100% understand. It’s one of my all time favorite albums but I’m only allowed to listen to it when I’m alone. My wife and daughter both can’t stand it. It just goes to show that everyone has different tastes and we all need to respect that. Great conversation and show!
Thanks for watching Ryan, and that's the truth!
You've completely caught the essence of what we were trying to do with this show there Ryan. Thanks for watching!
Ryan
Hopefully you share a few albums that you all love.
It's always a bummer when your loved ones literally forbid you from listening to some records but when you have a few you all love it more than makes up for it.
For me, "Crisis: What Crisis?" was their dud album.
More of these! This is so funny and I love situations where humour just comes out of such considered and well-directed vitriol.
Thanks Paul, it really was a blast, and I agree, the humor was unforced, and reaction based. Glad you enjoyed it
This is my favorite episode yet. It's interesting to me that sharing your hatred for these beloved albums has a funny way of exposing your love for one another. In the end, that's what it's all about. You guys rock!
I'm only up to George's first three picks and I think they are more true to what I assumed the show would be about - i.e. instead of picking obvious stinkers that most everyone considers stinkers, he picked albums that are rated highly.
George killed it last night, no softies
@@ericporter344 No Soft Machine!😀
@@andyshelton4889 George and I both agreed on that!
@@ericporter344 An obscure band you might like is the first album by Gilgamesh.
Yeah but those are not rated highly without a reason :D In the Court is like the essence of Prog. I will never understand a Prog fan arguing with that album being one of the best of its genre. :D
Luis, you're a legend. Get better
Luis is a legend for sure! Thanks for watching
I must have missed it but why is he in the hospital? Either way he's still hitting it out of the park.
Thank you guys for your opinions and picks.
All the damn time.
🎤🎸🎵🎹🥁
THIS SHOW IS/WAS EPIC. PART 2 MUST HAPPEN !
The 2019 remix of "Momentary Lapse of Reason" actually sounds like a proper Pink Floyd album. The 80s sound is stripped back, Nick Mason adds his own drum parts to most of the songs, and Rick Wright's keyboard parts from live shows are mixed into the studio tracks. The song "Dogs of War" is actually listenable. A much better sound than the original release.
Now that is one I have to seek out and get.
Agreed - the remix is so much better than the original. It's still not Dark Side or anything but it's a much better listen.
I love Lapse Of Reason. Such beautiful songs. The guitar work is amazing and so heartfelt. If you ever have a break up listen to this album and the Division Bell. They'll catch and you'll never hear them the same way again. Both amazing gems in their own right.
This show was awesome so very funny George la smashed his pics out of the park supertramp crime of. King crimson court of wtff probably the best album’s ever made in prog 😂😂😂🤘
Finally! Someone who hates VdGG as much as me! Peter Hamill and the annoying sax of David Jackson. They take the most grating of King Crimson's Islands and double down on the irritation. If one goes on prog sites, however, VdGG is referred to with reverence. "Whoa, they are waaaaay out there! Now THAT is progressive!" There is a reason why they didn't sell albums outside their circle of friends. As for ELP's Works, I think they decided to put it under the ELP umbrella for marketing purposes. Yes made their solo album period and none of them sold well except perhaps Fish Out Of Water. Works Vol. 1 went Gold in several countries.
It was great fun with all of you and there is some bands that I can not get into as well ☺️
Can someone tell me...what exactly is so damned amazing about Amazing Blondel?
ELP coming off Black Moon in 92, I was expecting Hot Seat to be as good. That didn't happen. It finally came on vinyl last year, and I held my nose and got it, just for the completist in me
They should've called that album In The Hot Shit.
@@davidl570 exactly
Steven's picks:
1. Marillion - Radiation
2. Emerson Lake & Palmer - The Works
3. Dream Theater - Systematic Chaos
4. Pink Floyd - Piper At The Gates Of Dawn
5. Neal Morse - Momentum
HM’s
The Flower Kings - The Banks Of Eden
The Gentle Storm - S/T
Tony Banks - (in general) The Fugitive
Eric's picks:
5. Pink Floyd - Ummagumma
4. Soft Machine - Third
3. Jethro Tull - Under Wraps
2. GTR
1. Van Der Graf Generator - Pawn Hearts
Pete's picks:
Jethro Tull-Under Wraps
Pink Floyd-The Final Cut
Gentle Giant-Giant for a Day
Yes-Open Your Eyes
Dream Theater-The Astonishing
ELP-In the Hot Seat
Genesis-We Can’t Dance
Alan Parsons Project-Gaudi
Saga-The Beginners Guide to Throwing Shapes
Renaissance-Time Line
Ken's picks:
5. Genesis - We Can't Dance 4. Pink Floyd - The Final Cut 3. Emerson Lake & Palmer - In The Hot Seat 2. Asia - Asia 1. Colin Scot - Colin Scot HM - Triumvirat - A La Carte and also Russian Roulette Circus Maximus - Nine
Haha, you can tell it was late when I sent my list to Peter. It meant .COM, not Radiation!
Luis gets the Prog dedication award for his efforts.
He certainly does Peter. Did you get my reply to you yesterday?
What was going on with him? Was he in hospital? What dedication
@@mdlatham He apparently had brain surgery--dunno the whole story though.
I love "Beginner's Guide ..." by Saga :-)
Bought the 2021 remaster which sounds great, but yeah it fits towards the bottom of their catalog. I think he chose that one partly because he owns a copy to show us. I'll take it over Steel Umbrellas, Pleasure and the Pain and Wildest Dreams.
@@fredhamilton4687 Pleasure & The Pain is easily the worst in my opinion.
Couldnt believe what you said about Asia...I actualy also took it off and threw it across the room!!!!!!
Great minds think alike!😁
The anticipation, thinking a wonderful feast of prog was about to hit the eardrums......and we were served mickey d's. Bland and pompous, hard to pull off.
How did I miss this episode? Brilliant! Need to watch it again. I missed some portions, too busy laughing.
I can't stand ANY Pink Floyd music. Period.
Rick Wakeman - Myths and Legends of King Arthur.
Its like you can't take a guy wearing a cape seriously anymore.
Who says you're supposed to take him seriously?
I love that album. Not all heroes don't wear capes!
I couldn't stand Pink Floyd "The Wall" when it came out and nothing has changed 40 years later. Miserable, depressing, unlistenable for me...
I have to agree, to a point! Out of Four sides on 2 records, about one third are really good songs! But I really can’t, very rarely listen to the whole album all the way through, (as opposed to DSOTM, WYWH, and Animals, which I can listen to on repeat forever!!
Miserable and depressing aren't criticisms when it comes to art. Why do you want an album about fatherlessness, war, corruption, infidelity, etc to be happy?
Thank you for sharing......"Rick"....
Name a Floyd album, a real one, that is not filled with depression. Every album, including the Barret LPS cover very dark subjects.
@@nectarinedreams7208 - I don't want an album about those topics to be happy; I want it to be whatever the artist intended it to be. I'm just saying it's something I'd rather not listen to.
I love that shit
Good afternoon all,
This was by far my favorite ITPS episode! My compadres all poured it out truthfully and that’s what makes this a great show. Although both Anthony and I weren’t involved in the show, as you see were were both here in spirit. And a big kudos to you all and especially Señor Luis for being part of this panel despite his health challenges.
Here’s my list.
1. In The Wake of The Poseidon-King Crimson
2. The Wall-Pink Floyd
3. Nursery Cryme-Genesis
4. The Yes Album-Yes
5. 2112-Rush
You were missed Chuck, but we made sure to give both you and Anthony a name drop or two! I see you have some zingers in your top 5!
Sorry you weren't on the show Chuck. Especially with those choices!!
@@TranquilityFireReid Me too, Steven! Those spicy picks could have taken the heat off of me!
@@georgelamie7001 it might have been a close run thing!
Totally agree with 1. and 5.
Fun show guys, loved it!! George with the good strategy of picking well-regarded albums worked great. 💪😀
Asia , love that album . Each to his own
A Plague of Lighthouse Keepers on you, George! Seriously, that was great fun and has lifted my spirits immeasurably. I wish I had seen it live.
Pawn Hearts is one of the great prog albums.
@@finylvinyl66 Pawn Hearts is amongst the definitive progressive rock albums. Amongst the definitive contemporary music albums, actually.
What a fun show. Hard to see some of my own "sacred cows" being shot down: "In a Silent Way", "Third", "Pawn Hearts", "In the Court of the Crimson King".
I didn't like the criticism of Neal Morse which went beyond the music. I am a Christian but I did not connect with the "Testimony" album. It confirmed my fears that the music would not be as equally important as the message. However, I think the subsequent albums "One" and "Sola Scriptura" are excellent. Yet, I haven't been happy with his recent projects.
Most interesting discussion on ELP. They really stopped being a band after BSS. A real shame.
I've been thinking more about the Neal Morse criticism, and it is interesting to see how some folks in the prog industry reacted to Neal's initial conversion. But that was also almost 20 years ago. Over the last 10 years he has worked with Transatlantic, Flying Colors, and NMB (which is more of a band concept than Morse solo) and the lyrics from those bands are more secular like classic Spock's Beard.
@@Kevinhamradio Same kind of weird thing happened with Mark Farner after he left (or was pushed out of) Grand Funk. I saw him in a club in the late 80s playing a guitar with Jesus with the thorny and bloodied crown... I think he played like four GFR songs brilliantly. I think he's kind of not gone so far into that realm in the past 20 years, but he's probably one of the greatest living guitarist around. Find one of those live versions of "Inside Looking Out" on YT and it'll blow your mind, honest! 😉 👌
I’m not sure Piper at the Gates of Dawn is a Prog record at all. I always considered it a psychedelic album. Colin Scot’s record as well. It was a folk record with some session musicians culled from Prog bands.
One of the best and funniest videos you've done - thanks! Is the George voodoo doll going to be available in the merch section?
on those days when my woman left, my dog died, my truck broke, and I've got the pukes, you know, just feelin' kinda blue, I come back to this.. sometimes I only need the 1st 10 minutes. History made here
I agree with Luis. The Final Cut is great. Love the sax on Gunner's Dream.
I like that album. But is it really prog?
When people say they don’t like prog I wonder if they only mean 70s bands comprising men with beards and brown cardigans; playing jazz-influenced stuff and flutes prominent. There’s a heck of a lot of bands classed as prog rock, and many that sound completely different from each other.
Great album! It's definitely the "headphone" music, I should say.
Over the years 'The Final Cut' has grown in my estimation so much that it's now the Pink Floyd album I listen to the most. I think it has Roger Waters' most affecting lyrics and vocals. It's arguable how much one should consider it a band album, but I think it's an excellent one nevertheless.
"Two Suns In The Sunset" also has a great sax solo as its outro.
I legit cannot understand why people like 'Ummagumma'. The live album is mediocre at best.
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I have been watching this channel for long and I have never laughed so much. Great show! Thanks for cheering me up. I needed it!
Thanks for watching Gianni, and for the kind words!
Watching again, after yesterday's Pete/Luis reminder. Fuuuuuuuuuck...Greatest. Show. Ever. Absolutely hilarious... 😂😂😂
Great show! Subscribing right now.
That said, I would rather listen to every album listed here before I ever suffer through Yes - Open Your Eyes ever again.
I posted too soon. Glad to see Open Your Eyes made the list! Total pile of crap.
This album ...man,very tough listen. Always ended up depressed after listening to this one
I remember ELP "Works" tour was the first concert (in the Detroit area anyway) to charge DOUBLE DIGITS!!!! ($11!!!)
Never Mind that unlike most groups who bring in local orchestras each stop, ELP brought their own Orchestra/infrastructure.
"it's the Stranglers being covered by the Beach Boys"... awesome show, boys! loved this one.
Thanks for watching Greg!
You say that as it's a bad thing.
Disagree with The Final cut being here. Great album.
Luis made some really good points about the album "Under Wraps" and Ian Anderson. Is it classic Tull ? No. Is it a great Tull album ? No. But it is interesting music. Set these songs to different Instrumentation - guitar and flute - and the album doesn`t get dumped on. He`s right about Ian Anderson having a certain level of quality. It`s not my favorite Jethro Tull album and I get why people hate it, but the songs are a lot more interesting than most of what was being released around the same time period.
Thanks for watching Jeffrey, and I agree with Luis' take, that there are some good songs at the core. But the arrangements, production, lack of much Martin Barre and synth/drum sounds buried those songs in a pile of shit. Too much good Tull to spend time on Under Wraps for me.
Appreciate and respect your thoughts, and thanks for watching!
@@ericporter344 Yeah, I do get that, but Ian Anderson at his worst is still decent.
I'm with George but would include ' Dark Side of the Moon ' by Pink Floyd plus anything by Utopia. Is ' In a Silent Way ' prog though ?
Man, I hope Luis survived that. IMHO the following. I Can't make an Album now - absolutely man. Under bags (J Tull) terrible except the acoustic song of title. A choice of mine: Wishbone Ash 4 mostly insipid AOR nonsense. Saga produced some stinkers up until the 90's when they started producing decent albums again funnily enough I quite like Steel Umbrellas and from then on. Gentle Giant could have farted a madrigal into buckets and I'd still have loved it. Overtime the GG poppy album has grown on me. If Annie repeatedly vomited into a a drain I'd still love her - those albums from '79 are poppy but there's still a lot to enjoy I feel. Always thought Olias was cobblers but everyone said how great it was almost convincing me. Good reissue booklet though - that I haven't touched yet. I have every piece of music VDGG or Peter Hammill have ever released. Bank's first album Curious Feeling is a superb classic, yes subsequent albums are bobbins. George had simply been controlled by his animus! I'm off to listen to the Colin Scott ne Thistlewaite album sounds magic. I've listened to a song so far but I think Ken is being a bit mean with his criticism considering it isn't supposed to be a prog album but folk. I rather liked the first track. Also listened to Diagonal and love them specially Arc their third album - a must for all VDGG fans: reminded me of vDGG, Human League and Joy Division although they seem to have a very wide range of influences and aren't afraid to use them. Highly recommended, the live in Leeds album on Bandcamp for Pay What You Want at the moment. Lastly, a call out to Ken, talking of VDGG, can you possibly look into getting the Areknames lads back together to make a new album. What a superb group they were but sadly overlooked. Stay luminous guys. Classic show, gotta be a part 2.
Thanks for the Diagonal Live in Leeds recommendation. I downloaded it the other day. Fantastic stuff!!!
I like Giant For a Day (and The Missing Piece and Civilian for that matter) just as much as all the other albums GG put out.
What a fun and enjoyable episode. Ranks among my favorite episodes from SoT. I knew going in to this that The Astonishing was going to get beat up…it’s not for everyone but I love that record.
Really surprised by Ken’s take on Nine by Circus Maximus. I think that’s their best. It’s Havoc that I would absolutely mentioned in a top 5. It’s really not great, especially from a band as capable as CM.
Thanks guys! Would love a part 2 someday!
Thanks for the reminder. Havoc was probably even worse than Nine. I forgot how bad it was. Taking 5 years after the brilliant Isolate, Nine was a failure for me.
Thanks!
A very fun episode indeed. We like what we like, and even great bands make stinkers. Funny thing is, your stinkers aren't nescessarily mine. ;-) Concerning Circus Maximus, I completely agree, Havoc did nothing for me, but I love Nine. Less proggy than the two first albums for sure, a great album nonetheless. The Circus guys do love their 80's metal and their AOR as well as their prog, as seen in their other projects. Perfect blend for me really. :-)
@@andykrikkit Civiiam and Giant for a day were both trash!!!!!
What a fantastic show loved it 😀
Thanks Jonathan
Some men just want to watch the world burn. Tonight, George was that man :D
Pete, I LOVE this episode. You guys are so fun. I almost feel like I'm sitting at the table with you. My buddies and I are kind of like this, but you guys were beyond hilarious (Love the flaming of Asia's first album). Love all that you do. Thanks so much! Keep it Up, Please : )
Thanks Doug.
Love Asia's debut and GTR's sole release. Admittedly, far from progressive milestones, but taken as AOR albums, both are fantastic collections that I enjoy to this day (and "Sketches In The Sun" remains arguably my favorite Howe solo piece). Great episode, guys. Love these discussions and the passion they stir for the music we love! BTW: What's the back story on the head bandage, Luis? Recent surgery? Just curious, as your hospital room and situation seems to be the elephant in the room.
Pete himself lists GTR as a 'one album wonder' in one of his videos, so to see him nodding in assent was a bit surprising.
I definitely need to check out more from Max Bacon.When ever I think of who my favorite vocalists are,for some reason or other I always forget about Max.
Here are some recent ones that are sacred cows from bands that I love: Marillion - “FEAR” and Big Big Train - “Grand Tour”. Both are pretentious bores to me
Very, VERY funny show I must admit. Thanks! My "worst" list:
5) - W: all Marillion albums with Steve Hogart on vocals; I don't get them...
4) - WO: Dream Theater "Astonishing" (plus couple of more DT albums)
3) - WOR: Saga "Wildest Dreams" It's not prog at all anymore, but still includes some good tracks with great guitar playing by Crichton.
2) - WORS: Jethro Tull "Under Wraps" (plus couple of their 80's albums too...)
1) - WORST: Jon Anderson "Olias Of Sunhillow" (oh my god...)
Im with you on marillion with hogarth. I was a marillion fan from the first album until fish left.
Olias as your one 1....you are totally wrong.
What about Amazing Blondel? What is so amazing about this band?
Ian Crichton is a vastly underrated guitarist,m though not by Michael Schenker who has always regarded him as one of the worlds great guitarists