Gertrude Stein always makes me think of The Emperor who was naked, but surrounded by sycophants. A fascinating life, but not someone one would wish to know personally.
@cindyadams9264 Do you know "The Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy"? The alien Vogans produced poetry so appalling that the listener would prefer to eat their own leg rather than listen to it. I feel the same way about Gertrude Stein.
The Stein Collection show at the NY Met a few years ago made clear that the real visionary of new art was Leo Stein, not Gertrude, as witness her purchases after Leo left the scene.
Hemingway could only take Stein in small doses. He found her lifestyle disgusting and , when unexpectedly, heard Toklas and Stein In flagrante delicto, he walked out of Stein's Paris apartment and never returned.
These people are always around for artists. They're the majority of art and music scenesters. Alot of perpetuated gossip, you know, opinions based on interpretations of other people's actions kind of assumptions without verifications of the individual's truth.. Sounds very tragic ultimately. Thanks for sharing.❤
"Limbo, in Catholic theology, was believed to be the border place between heaven and hell where those souls who died without being baptised, though not condemned to punishment, were deprived of eternal happiness with God in heaven." The concept of Limbo has gradually died out. I'm 74 and Limbo was very much believed in by my parents' generation. I, until I knew better, believed in all the Catholic Hocus-pocus... .
I was brought up catholic and was taught limbo was where unbabtised babies went. Purgatory was where sinners went who renounced their sins like divorce and sex before marriage etc. At least from what I remember.
What an interesting story. There is another American woman with the last name Stein. Her life story is far different. Her name is Gloria Stein. Instead of being regarded as being crazy at first she was regarded instead at first only as being a Playboy Bunny being the only way to get paid at work while she was attending university. A stutter sometimes is an advantage when it comes to avoiding the groping and pinching of your but attention being 'paid' to you with tips of money too being done by drunk men as you walk past them. PErhaps that difference in life experience did help Ms. Gertrude Stein to have a warmer attittude towards men of all ages than the other Stein for awhile.
I always thought Stein was completely bogus. Toklas and Picasso as well. Here is my review, from 2021, of: The Alice B. Toklas Cookbook. Alice B. Toklas. When I first moved to the US, in the early 1980s, MFK Fisher was all the rage. I read and owned everything she wrote. However, at a certain point, I began to find her affectations annoying. In one account she describes a girl smoking “cigarets”-I supposed she thought it looked experimental, but it just seemed affected to me. That, plus her practice of referring to her husband, lover, whatever he was as “Chexbres”, finally put me off. Though a fluent French speaker who had lived in France for 2 years, even I couldn’t pronounce “Chexbres”. I gave her books away. I bought this edition of the Alice B. Toklas cookbook, defaced by a foreword by MFK Fisher and utterly execrable illustrations by Sir Francis Rose, on July 3rd, 1991. It forms part of my large collection of cookbooks and food writing. I have read it many times and tried out several of the recipes. In its defense, the recipes work. However, on rereading it this week, a note by me from 1998 fell out. It says “The more I read this book the more I DISLIKE both Gertrude Stein and ABT. It is full of quotes such as “Gertrude Stein did not like to see work done.” (Indeed. How lucky for her!! I see work done every day!!). And getting an influential friend to eject the tenant of the house THEY wanted, quite shamelessly, so THEY could move in? DISGUSTING. For all their avant garde pose they were nothing but two rich, privileged, bitches who felt they could always get their way”. 2021: Today, my feelings are, if anything, stronger, compounded by ABT’s Jim Crow Era WASP assumptions and the profusion of people with names like Bobsie Goodspeed, Ela Hockaday, Brion Gysin (could he not spell?), and Fernanda Pivano-Sottsass. Oh, let’s not forget “the negress cook” mentioned in one of ABT’s stories about a visit to the Deep South. One almost expects her to use a more offensive word. The book is divided into sections such as “Dishes for Artists (Picasso and Francis Picabia and completely inedible), Food to which Aunt Pauline and Godiva Led Us-twee names for the old charabancs driven by GS, who never learned to reverse. ABT was too ladylike to know how to drive. Servants in France-an incredibly condescending chapter on the various cooks they had because God knows two such LADIES could NEVER have been expected to do anything for themselves. They had 2 “Indo-Chinese” cooks whom ABT described as speaking Chinese. Since they were called Trac and Nguyen, once must assume they spoke Vietnamese. What a pity ABT didn’t hire the Papin Sisters. The worst however is the chapter entitled “Recipes from Friends”. Here, along with Fernanda Pivano-Sottsass, we see Pierre Balmain, Lord Berners, and other literary and artistic lights of the 20s and 30s. Judging by the recipes, especially the disgusting contributions of Mary Oliver, few of them knew how to cook. Brion Gysin contributed the notorious hash brownie recipe, which is not a brownie at all, but a noxious mess of chopped dried fruit and nuts as made by 8-year-olds for Xmas. There is one “curry”. It contains apples, raisins, and RED WINE! British Raj food. Contributed by Fania Marinoff from New York. An expert…. Another thing that dates the book is the extraordinary prudishness of the food. Recipes abound which include -for 3-4 people-1/4 tsp chopped herbs. There is a completely outmoded insistence on “delicacy”, typical of cooking around 1910 and one encounters the now passé French practice of dishes “in town” necessarily being less emphatically flavored than in the “the country”. When I was learning to cook-I am Indian-I had a very hard time with the cookbooks I found in England because the recipes were so prudish about herbs and spices. Everything had to be “subtle” and “delicate”. It took me years to learn to ignore it. French food, which I love btw, has been described as being “polite food” and this book makes it clear how and why. I am left in the end with the conviction that Gertrude Stein was a fat fraud and ABT no better. They were both highly entitled and privileged and it comes over in a way that is really offensive. The book reflects its time, as books must, but it has not worn well. I am a person of color, and even though I am well used to making allowances for the prejudices and blind spots of earlier epochs, it left a very sour taste in my mouth. My impression is not a new one due to BLM and current events-as my note stated, I felt the same way in 1998. As a collection of recipes, it would be perfectly good without the other stuff.
Steins libretto for the opera 4 Saints In 3 Acts is magnificent. Her libretto for The Mother Of Us All is wonderful. Open any of the 706 pages of the Selected Writings of Gertrude Stein, enjoy and learn. No surprise it's 706 pages have NOT been out of print since 1945!
@@LoveLove-jg9ol My age is not relevant but your ignorance is. You don't even know what you are looking at and I am not going to school you. If you with to learn (so you are not just chiming in from ignorance), look up transvestigation and take some time to unlearn and relearn. I did so you can too.
@@gypsy2007 No it doesnt work that way! First I am not ignorant if I ask you how old you are, I find that arrogant on you. Second, I know what you are talking about and that stays by the view of each individuell.
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Quite fascinating.
Gertrude Stein always makes me think of The Emperor who was naked, but surrounded by sycophants. A fascinating life, but not someone one would wish to know personally.
Narcissists and psychopaths make the best biographies.
@cindyadams9264 Do you know "The Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy"? The alien Vogans produced poetry so appalling that the listener would prefer to eat their own leg rather than listen to it. I feel the same way about Gertrude Stein.
Exactly. Gertrude Stein’s greatest talent was her ability to get others to claim her a genius.
Hmm......thankfully that wouldn't happen
today...???? er.....would it..?? 😂😂😂
I loved this! Always found this time and these people fascinating but I loved how it was put together.
Thanks for watching!
I'm so glad that you took my comment and request on consideration and made a video about Gertrude Stein thank you very much i appreciate it 😍🥰
A fascinating and engrossing piece. Impressively researched, well structured and excellently delivered.
Many thanks.
Thank you so much :) Feel free to share!
The Stein Collection show at the NY Met a few years ago made clear that the real visionary of new art was Leo Stein, not Gertrude, as witness her purchases after Leo left the scene.
That's a good idea for an episode. Partnerships that weren't partnerships at all.
Hemingway could only take Stein in small doses.
He found her lifestyle disgusting and , when unexpectedly, heard Toklas and Stein In flagrante delicto, he walked out of Stein's Paris apartment and never returned.
The dog’s expression says it all.
wow this is great, thank you!
You're very welcome!
I'm fascinated by those times & the lives of the incredibly talented expats!!! As you can imagine I loved the movie Midnight in Paris.
Thank you for all the work
You are so welcome, thanks for watching
I love this!!! Thank you so much!!!!
You are so welcome!
With her neat little mustache, Alice looked a bit like Little Richard. Did she really make pot brownies?
No-it was Brion Gysin's recipe-read my review above. She couldn't spell "Canibus" either. Dreadful frauds both of them.
Parasites. All parasites.
Love when I see an awakened person in comments.
If the truth makes you uncomfortable, then please vote for Kamala Harris . @@gypsy2007
These people are always around for artists. They're the majority of art and music scenesters. Alot of perpetuated gossip, you know, opinions based on interpretations of other people's actions kind of assumptions without verifications of the individual's truth.. Sounds very tragic ultimately. Thanks for sharing.❤
As a Catholic, there is no doctrine or dogma of limbo. It was a common belief but not an actual teaching. Thank you for the biography.
You are so welcome.
"Limbo, in Catholic theology, was believed to be the border place between heaven and hell where those souls who died without being baptised, though not condemned to punishment, were deprived of eternal happiness with God in heaven." The concept of Limbo has gradually died out. I'm 74 and Limbo was very much believed in by my parents' generation. I, until I knew better, believed in all the Catholic Hocus-pocus... .
I was brought up catholic and was taught limbo was where unbabtised babies went. Purgatory was where sinners went who renounced their sins like divorce and sex before marriage etc. At least from what I remember.
Very interesting. I always got the impression Stein was something of a fraud, a poser, and not anyone I'd want to know.
She was a fraud for sure
What an interesting story. There is another American woman with the last name Stein. Her life story is far different. Her name is Gloria Stein. Instead of being regarded as being crazy at first she was regarded instead at first only as being a Playboy Bunny being the only way to get paid at work while she was attending university. A stutter sometimes is an advantage when it comes to avoiding the groping and pinching of your but attention being 'paid' to you with tips of money too being done by drunk men as you walk past them. PErhaps that difference in life experience did help Ms. Gertrude Stein to have a warmer attittude towards men of all ages than the other Stein for awhile.
At least we can't attribute their " success " to their good looks..?
Interesting woman, thank you for sharing 🤗
Thanks for watching!
You can't take it with you.
I always thought Stein was completely bogus. Toklas and Picasso as well. Here is my review, from 2021, of: The Alice B. Toklas Cookbook. Alice B. Toklas.
When I first moved to the US, in the early 1980s, MFK Fisher was all the rage. I read and owned everything she wrote. However, at a certain point, I began to find her affectations annoying. In one account she describes a girl smoking “cigarets”-I supposed she thought it looked experimental, but it just seemed affected to me. That, plus her practice of referring to her husband, lover, whatever he was as “Chexbres”, finally put me off. Though a fluent French speaker who had lived in France for 2 years, even I couldn’t pronounce “Chexbres”. I gave her books away.
I bought this edition of the Alice B. Toklas cookbook, defaced by a foreword by MFK Fisher and utterly execrable illustrations by Sir Francis Rose, on July 3rd, 1991. It forms part of my large collection of cookbooks and food writing. I have read it many times and tried out several of the recipes. In its defense, the recipes work.
However, on rereading it this week, a note by me from 1998 fell out. It says “The more I read this book the more I DISLIKE both Gertrude Stein and ABT. It is full of quotes such as “Gertrude Stein did not like to see work done.” (Indeed. How lucky for her!! I see work done every day!!). And getting an influential friend to eject the tenant of the house THEY wanted, quite shamelessly, so THEY could move in? DISGUSTING. For all their avant garde pose they were nothing but two rich, privileged, bitches who felt they could always get their way”.
2021: Today, my feelings are, if anything, stronger, compounded by ABT’s Jim Crow Era WASP assumptions and the profusion of people with names like Bobsie Goodspeed, Ela Hockaday, Brion Gysin (could he not spell?), and Fernanda Pivano-Sottsass. Oh, let’s not forget “the negress cook” mentioned in one of ABT’s stories about a visit to the Deep South. One almost expects her to use a more offensive word.
The book is divided into sections such as “Dishes for Artists (Picasso and Francis Picabia and completely inedible), Food to which Aunt Pauline and Godiva Led Us-twee names for the old charabancs driven by GS, who never learned to reverse. ABT was too ladylike to know how to drive. Servants in France-an incredibly condescending chapter on the various cooks they had because God knows two such LADIES could NEVER have been expected to do anything for themselves. They had 2 “Indo-Chinese” cooks whom ABT described as speaking Chinese. Since they were called Trac and Nguyen, once must assume they spoke Vietnamese. What a pity ABT didn’t hire the Papin Sisters.
The worst however is the chapter entitled “Recipes from Friends”. Here, along with Fernanda Pivano-Sottsass, we see Pierre Balmain, Lord Berners, and other literary and artistic lights of the 20s and 30s. Judging by the recipes, especially the disgusting contributions of Mary Oliver, few of them knew how to cook. Brion Gysin contributed the notorious hash brownie recipe, which is not a brownie at all, but a noxious mess of chopped dried fruit and nuts as made by 8-year-olds for Xmas. There is one “curry”. It contains apples, raisins, and RED WINE! British Raj food. Contributed by Fania Marinoff from New York. An expert….
Another thing that dates the book is the extraordinary prudishness of the food. Recipes abound which include -for 3-4 people-1/4 tsp chopped herbs. There is a completely outmoded insistence on “delicacy”, typical of cooking around 1910 and one encounters the now passé French practice of dishes “in town” necessarily being less emphatically flavored than in the “the country”. When I was learning to cook-I am Indian-I had a very hard time with the cookbooks I found in England because the recipes were so prudish about herbs and spices. Everything had to be “subtle” and “delicate”. It took me years to learn to ignore it. French food, which I love btw, has been described as being “polite food” and this book makes it clear how and why.
I am left in the end with the conviction that Gertrude Stein was a fat fraud and ABT no better. They were both highly entitled and privileged and it comes over in a way that is really offensive. The book reflects its time, as books must, but it has not worn well. I am a person of color, and even though I am well used to making allowances for the prejudices and blind spots of earlier epochs, it left a very sour taste in my mouth. My impression is not a new one due to BLM and current events-as my note stated, I felt the same way in 1998. As a collection of recipes, it would be perfectly good without the other stuff.
Never ceases to amaze that almost all of these early feminist definitely never meant the emancipation of black women..or people in general!
The only Liberty and Freedom they were
interested in was their own...!!
Self indulgent , trivial , vacuous " artists"...
Similar to today..
Abominable, not Abdominal. Otherwise, a solid lecture on this subject.
Wow tell us how you really feel.
Oh you hate free speech?
Who cares about her flaws? Ummm maybe critical thinkers? Get lost sycophant
@@RadioWhoPoo but I was having such a good time.
lmao tag us next time. Scared?
@@RadioWhoPoo love it!
Brilliant, exceptional human beings…and pretty much despicable.
Also, I would have expected more about her collaboration with the Nazis (translating propaganda) during the Holocaust.
Looking forward to your video on that subject!
@@RadioWhoPoo Perfect answer!
Steins libretto for the opera 4 Saints In 3 Acts is magnificent. Her libretto for The Mother Of Us All is wonderful. Open any of the 706 pages of the Selected Writings of Gertrude Stein, enjoy and learn. No surprise it's 706 pages have NOT been out of print since 1945!
Lovely Stein essay/synopsizing. 🙏🫖🦋
Thank you for watching!
It's hilarious that men in dresses passed on as women for so long! Stein and Toklas were both males. Use your eyes, people.
Have you proof?
How old are you??? I see clearly two famales. Look at their body. All curves. A male body is different.
@@LoveLove-jg9ol My age is not relevant but your ignorance is. You don't even know what you are looking at and I am not going to school you. If you with to learn (so you are not just chiming in from ignorance), look up transvestigation and take some time to unlearn and relearn. I did so you can too.
Man boobs and pot bellys give the illusion
of " curves "......very deceptive..!
@@gypsy2007 No it doesnt work that way! First I am not ignorant if I ask you how old you are, I find that arrogant on you. Second, I know what you are talking about and that stays by the view of each individuell.
Are we sure Tolkas was not secretly a MAN Masquerading as a Woman? Possible,
Indeed, doesn’t it look like she has a moustache?
Weird
Looks where she came from ,search and wiĺ find her dark origens ..