Sharhriar brought it up, but yeah there are two effects that are going on. The first is that overall the field has expanded, and the number of EE + CS jobs is far larger now than many years ago, primarily due to the increase in software. So when looking at it by percentages, CS is dominating, but EE (and CpE as mentioned below) has also seen sizeable growth over the long term. The other factor in the most recent decade that is that Computer Engineering is growing and many students are choosing to do Computer Engineering (which is essentially a dual degree in Electrical Engineering and Computer Science) because it better equips them for the current marketplace which is looking for designers that not only have good hardware design skills, but can also write the software that accompanies that hardware, design the FPGA logic, or even design custom chips.
2:25 that is so true i remember having internet as a kid but i still LOVED taking things apart and eventually bought an electronics set and since I've been obsessed I'm now 17 and it's my favorite hobby now to do electrical work I've come a long was since and i love it! the handheld radios also i remember collecting them back in the early 2000's I've since lost interest in modern radio but i still do mess around with audio equipment often also a hobby i absolutely love!
IMHO, many companies either don't produce or have very long refresh cycles for hardware; so it only makes sense that people move toward software development; that's where the money is at least for us worker bees. Having said that, I have a huge interest in electronics, something about working with physical parts and not being totally stuck in your head all day appeals to me.
Dave, please take (9:12) to heart. Your videos often say the same things Over, and Over and Over again. He was giving you hints to help you. Not sure you caught that while you were thinking about your next question.
Bullshit. Give me examples. Or better yet, you are a video editor IIRC, so take one of my videos and re-edit the video by just removing thing that I repeat "over and over and over" and show me the result and how much time is saved. I bet you can't. You've been criticing everything I do for a decade now, I don't know why you are still here.
Dave, I understand that of course you will be pissed off with the "professor". When I was in high school, one teacher really screwed up probability in biology class. When she showed us how to do the math, I pointed out she was wrong, she was adding when multiplication should be done, and multiplying when adding should be. She told I was wrong, that she was correct, even thou the number were just ridiculous. Later that day I asked my father, who told me I was correct, and that maybe I could "ask for help" to the math teacher. Next I go to the math teacher, and explain the situation, and she also tell me I am not correct... I was WTF, I really doubted I was wrong, but the number made no sense. Back to my father in the afternoon, and then he was pissed too, that even the math teacher did not see the problem. He told me to do what the biology teacher "taught" in the exam, but remember the what I will write there was incorrect. Days passed exam came and guess what, no probability calculations were in there. yeah ... Later at uni, in the later year I had fun correct professors, more than once :) Once I was asked if I was interesting in passing the course....
I learned electronics precisely the way Dave described: first I was playing with my brother's experimenting kit made in the USSR, then taking stuff apart, soldering lots of Jabel and Nord Elektronik self-assembly kits (pity they were so far from Heathkit down there in 'murica), reading books, then building amps, repairing stuff, solving problems, designing gear. Tried to study electronic engineering, but maths and physics got me on the first year and I moved on to studying chemistry. I usually watch YT videos at 2x speed and sometimes it's still too slow. I'm a pretty slow talker myself and won't be offended if you watch mine at 2x, haha! There's just so much content around, not enough time to process it all. Makes me wish I had that DeLorean. Editing wise, I do minimal edits, just to cut out the clear bullshit parts and splice different scenes, add the intro etc. But then I'm very new to video editing. Still gotta figure out a lot of things. 8 opamps on a breadboard? LOL, that was very Wheatley! Clever hack with that 7400, Dave... and it's a pity that brilliance wasn't appreciated. Frustrating as fuck.
13:25 @Shahriar don't give my students stupid ideas 😎- I have seen a lot of "creative" constructions on our students' breadboards, but nothing like this yet! I also totally agree with your views on online teaching vs on-campus teaching. The most important thing which was difficult to conduct during the past 2 years were lab exercises. I don't think that you can really grasp the concept of electronics without practical experiments by the students. This is alos a shortcoming which I see in the case of some foreign exchange students who come from countries (let's name China and India as two examples) where teaching is done in enormously large classes but without or with very few lab exercises and almost no direct contact between teacher and student. Here in Sweden everything is a bit more familiar and open. But still I also see the enormous potential of good online teaching material and I believe that I acquired some skills in online teaching during the past two years (some of which I adapted from you guys, Dave and Shariar, but also from Grant Sanderson). I am actually planning a video series in Swedish for the introduction to electronics, because I find that this is a niche which still is almost empty.
Agree 100% that online training / teaching is not as effective as face to face. Always Love your tutorials and there’s definitely a place for both. As a technical trainer I find I can read the body language / mood of the class and modify delivery to keep people engaged. Really enjoyed the discussion. 👍🏻
Software Developer for the past 10+ Years and will be starting EE based degree this year whilst working part-time. I keep questioning the move considering salaries but drawn to the tangibility of the hardware world. This convo gives me some hope i'm not making a mistake! :) Thanks Dave and Shahriar- any more words or encouragment/advice very welcome for those heading against the grain :)
You've made the right move; expanding your horizons and expertise which future employers will value in some areas such as embedded design and instrumentation. But note that you still have the flexibility of going into software only roles later on because employers generally want to know that you have the potential to do the job.
EE and software is so close to each other and so complementary that many people combine these 2 together - and this is perfect combination. I actually learnt both in the schools and I like them both.
Sharhriar brought it up, but yeah there are two effects that are going on. The first is that overall the field has expanded, and the number of EE + CS jobs is far larger now than many years ago, primarily due to the increase in software. So when looking at it by percentages, CS is dominating, but EE (and CpE as mentioned below) has also seen sizeable growth over the long term.
The other factor in the most recent decade that is that Computer Engineering is growing and many students are choosing to do Computer Engineering (which is essentially a dual degree in Electrical Engineering and Computer Science) because it better equips them for the current marketplace which is looking for designers that not only have good hardware design skills, but can also write the software that accompanies that hardware, design the FPGA logic, or even design custom chips.
2:25 that is so true i remember having internet as a kid but i still LOVED taking things apart and eventually bought an electronics set and since I've been obsessed I'm now 17 and it's my favorite hobby now to do electrical work I've come a long was since and i love it!
the handheld radios also i remember collecting them back in the early 2000's I've since lost interest in modern radio but i still do mess around with audio equipment often also a hobby i absolutely love!
IMHO, many companies either don't produce or have very long refresh cycles for hardware; so it only makes sense that people move toward software development; that's where the money is at least for us worker bees. Having said that, I have a huge interest in electronics, something about working with physical parts and not being totally stuck in your head all day appeals to me.
Dave, please take (9:12) to heart. Your videos often say the same things Over, and Over and Over again. He was giving you hints to help you. Not sure you caught that while you were thinking about your next question.
Bullshit. Give me examples. Or better yet, you are a video editor IIRC, so take one of my videos and re-edit the video by just removing thing that I repeat "over and over and over" and show me the result and how much time is saved. I bet you can't. You've been criticing everything I do for a decade now, I don't know why you are still here.
So elated to see this collaboration!
Cheers from work!
I've been watching most TH-cam videos at 1.5 speed for the past few years. It's a way to be more efficient and cram more stuff in my brain.
I watch The Signal Path for the advanced repairs, and EEVblog for fundamentals and reviews. I've learned so much over the years, thanks a lot.
Dave, I understand that of course you will be pissed off with the "professor". When I was in high school, one teacher really screwed up probability in biology class. When she showed us how to do the math, I pointed out she was wrong, she was adding when multiplication should be done, and multiplying when adding should be. She told I was wrong, that she was correct, even thou the number were just ridiculous. Later that day I asked my father, who told me I was correct, and that maybe I could "ask for help" to the math teacher. Next I go to the math teacher, and explain the situation, and she also tell me I am not correct... I was WTF, I really doubted I was wrong, but the number made no sense. Back to my father in the afternoon, and then he was pissed too, that even the math teacher did not see the problem. He told me to do what the biology teacher "taught" in the exam, but remember the what I will write there was incorrect. Days passed exam came and guess what, no probability calculations were in there. yeah ...
Later at uni, in the later year I had fun correct professors, more than once :) Once I was asked if I was interesting in passing the course....
I learned electronics precisely the way Dave described: first I was playing with my brother's experimenting kit made in the USSR, then taking stuff apart, soldering lots of Jabel and Nord Elektronik self-assembly kits (pity they were so far from Heathkit down there in 'murica), reading books, then building amps, repairing stuff, solving problems, designing gear. Tried to study electronic engineering, but maths and physics got me on the first year and I moved on to studying chemistry.
I usually watch YT videos at 2x speed and sometimes it's still too slow. I'm a pretty slow talker myself and won't be offended if you watch mine at 2x, haha! There's just so much content around, not enough time to process it all. Makes me wish I had that DeLorean.
Editing wise, I do minimal edits, just to cut out the clear bullshit parts and splice different scenes, add the intro etc. But then I'm very new to video editing. Still gotta figure out a lot of things.
8 opamps on a breadboard? LOL, that was very Wheatley! Clever hack with that 7400, Dave... and it's a pity that brilliance wasn't appreciated. Frustrating as fuck.
13:25 @Shahriar don't give my students stupid ideas 😎- I have seen a lot of "creative" constructions on our students' breadboards, but nothing like this yet!
I also totally agree with your views on online teaching vs on-campus teaching. The most important thing which was difficult to conduct during the past 2 years were lab exercises. I don't think that you can really grasp the concept of electronics without practical experiments by the students. This is alos a shortcoming which I see in the case of some foreign exchange students who come from countries (let's name China and India as two examples) where teaching is done in enormously large classes but without or with very few lab exercises and almost no direct contact between teacher and student. Here in Sweden everything is a bit more familiar and open.
But still I also see the enormous potential of good online teaching material and I believe that I acquired some skills in online teaching during the past two years (some of which I adapted from you guys, Dave and Shariar, but also from Grant Sanderson). I am actually planning a video series in Swedish for the introduction to electronics, because I find that this is a niche which still is almost empty.
some very fun stories you both shared there. many thanks
Agree 100% that online training / teaching is not as effective as face to face. Always Love your tutorials and there’s definitely a place for both.
As a technical trainer I find I can read the body language / mood of the class and modify delivery to keep people engaged.
Really enjoyed the discussion. 👍🏻
Software Developer for the past 10+ Years and will be starting EE based degree this year whilst working part-time. I keep questioning the move considering salaries but drawn to the tangibility of the hardware world. This convo gives me some hope i'm not making a mistake! :)
Thanks Dave and Shahriar- any more words or encouragment/advice very welcome for those heading against the grain :)
You've made the right move; expanding your horizons and expertise which future employers will value in some areas such as embedded design and instrumentation. But note that you still have the flexibility of going into software only roles later on because employers generally want to know that you have the potential to do the job.
@@BarriosGroupie Thanks for the reassurance :)
EE and software is so close to each other and so complementary that many people combine these 2 together - and this is perfect combination.
I actually learnt both in the schools and I like them both.
Bring more chats like this!
First and only video with Dave and a cat somewhere in the video
I'm sure Sharhriar did that as a troll!
1 Million Hours is ~108 years
Hi, where is the full episode?
After a couple of years of incrementally speeding up videos I'm now able to watch a Ben Shapiro video at 2x.
What the hay - 2 times in one day ???? ;)