Would a New Jeep Win WW2?
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- ( www.alltfl.com/ ) Check out our new spot to find ALL our content, from news to videos and our podcasts! We just bought more than a Jeep, but a piece of military history in this 1945 Willys MB, and we were curious...is the brand-new Jeep Wrangler Rubicon really a much better off-roader? It's more comfortable, sure, but what about capability? Tommy and Kase put that to the test in this review on the onX Offroad course!
00:00-01:27 Intro
01:27-07:53 Comfort Test
07:53-11:11 Stealth Test
11:11-16:09 Combat Test
16:09-22:05 Fishing Test
22:05-28:36 JL On-Road
28:36-39:34 Willy's On-Road
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My grandfather ( Bronze Star)told me, in the Pacific Theater in WW2, the Jeep had a Steel plate Welded to the bottom for "Jumping Jack" mines. He said that Jeep saved so many lives. He was WW2, Korea, Vietnam. He was a Awesome man. He loved that little Jeep, it got in the woods 🪓. He saw combat WW2, Korea, Vietnam. He is my Hero. Rest in Peace Sydney Dick Borress.
the old MB is the best vehicle you guys have in your fleet...the window folds down for a variety of reasons and made it very versatile...by having the window down, the passenger could quickly shoot from the more stable seated position if ambushed...also these jeeps were only built with an expected service life of 30 days in the field...to get the guys out of harms way, they could run for a time with the oil pan and or radiator blown out...the low compression loose tolerance engine could run on pretty much any volatile fluid you could scrounge up...lamp oil, diesel, kerosene, as long as there was some gasoline left in the tank to mix it a bit...i remember when these flat fenders could be picked up for a song, not so any longer...they are getting quite desirable now
I live in central AZ, in the desert foothills. I volunteered for the Black Canyon City Fire Department and we had a Willys Jeep equipped with a water tank, lights and sirens which was donated to us by State Land. I loved driving that thing all over creation putting out brush fires with shovels, rakes and hoes. Absolutely a great time!
Real Jeep vs a Chrysler cosplaying a Jeep.
Chrysler isn't the great company it was before. Hell, I'd go out of my way to say that they aren't a company anymore. Same with Jeep.
Fiat*
Jeep is no longer what it used to be. Though, Jeep was a name for the type of military vehicle and Ford was making Jeeps at one point. After Jeep became a brand, it was bought out many times throughout the years. Now I think it's Chinese owned.
@@thechevyman999 Fix It Again Toy with the Quality of dodgy.
I miss my 93Yj & 03 Tj! 😢 I would even go as far as saying also 91xj
As someone who drives and restores military vehicles, they are fun, but the old ones are typically restored
I'm so glad Top Gear never ended. xD Cheers TFLC.
You and me both!
Yeah it became grand tour than went to replacement on you tube
Till you tube lefty idea end gas powered car channels
As some one who owns an MB and has for 30yrs now couple things, yes you should bring it to MOAB and test it against a modern 4X4, and the GO Devil engine can get up to 55-60 mph (not maybe at 1 mile above sealevel) but it scary as hell to do so. You will be shocked at how much that MB can really do even without all the modern tech. The real limiting factor is the wheel base not the jeep's offroad ability. You can also get period correct tires that are 30.5" if you want more ground clearance. Military jeeps used different manufactors and tire designs so there was difference in tire size and tread layout. And a safety tip....always wear a seatbelt (you can buy them and install them)
when offroad and DONT TRY AND JUMP OUT in flip/flop situation. That is not how we roll in old jeeps. That is going to get someone hurt or killed giving that terrible advice.
I had a friend with a couple MBs. He bought them cheap a very long time ago, taught his kids to drive on and off road in them, rebuilt them from the ground up with basic tools, twice, and still had them when he died a few years ago.
There's nothing like the MB on the market today, not even farm vehicles or UTVs. For their intended use and specs, they are still impressive, simple, durable, field-rebuildable machines. They were never intended for a world with 80mph interstates.
Definitely NOT a Roxor…
Renegade is not a jeep. It's a fiat with underbody protection and programming for transmission/AWD to increase off-road performance. Seems like a good job by FCA/Stellaris engineers to maximize capability
Its kind of a parts bin car, too. The rear calipers have Alfa Romeo stamps on them
It is a Jeep and you can do Jeep things in it! I have a built JKU and My wife has a lifted Renegade with A/T tires. Both have done many Jeep Badge of honor trails.
The other thing you didn't check was, how much is the old Jeep going to be worth vs the new in another 80 years?...
I am glad the MB jeeps are still around and you can actually buy brand new knockdown kits for them out of the Philippines. And you can still buy a manual 6 speed 2 seat soft top wrangler for almost affordable money.
two big differences is the new jeep is really built for the road & is OK off road when the road is wide The real Jeep was built for off road & to go down narrow trails & streets. It was to be simple & basic to keep the cost low but still built to carry & pull heavy loads. It could even replace a farm tractor. So why even compare the two when each one was designed for to do each a different task
Exactly. They are comparing a real jeep to a glorified modern sports utility vehicle. Then you get into stuff like electric shutoff, EMP pulse, GPS tracking and how once all that comes into play the real Jeep is still running and getting around
Exactly
I will make a statement that not all agree & that is " They quit making a real Jeep when they stopped making the CJ-5"
I prefer the WWII Jeep
Cost of production, how easy they are to fix, how much risk there is of them breaking, whether they can be poured into pretty much any fuel, how easy they are to transport on a train, ship, or with an airplane, that's things that make the old Jeep win every day of the week.
Great job guys! Would love to see some serous off road match ups with the old Jeep as well.
Coming soon!
Had a stock 1943 GPW back in mid 80s...most fun vehicle ever!
Fuel Gauge in my 1948 CJ-3A never worked for more than a week. I used a piece of wood Broom Shaft, very handy and precise. And I even can mesure the fuel seated !!! What a convenience.
Just the same as the Ford Model T.
I had an epiphany. The Willys MB probably had a significant influence on how modern vehicles operate. Anyone who could drive a manual today could drive it. The same can't be said about even automatic cars from that era.
TFL is in great hands for the long term future!!! These 3 can give a more “Throttle House” sense of humor and vibe to the videos that the OG 3 can sometimes lack. Gives a more playful and creative approach to car reviews, which I think everyone can agree is what made Top Gear so amazing and legendary
Y’all need to get an old power wagon. Then you can compare the 40s jeep to a 40s power wagon. The original 4x4s
The explosion had me rolling! Thought I was watching a WhistlinDiesel video for second.
Not to forget that the military Jeeps were built so an average, even dumb soldier could keep it running, repair it, rebuild it; often much in the field!
And consider that wheelbase in the tight woods!
one thing that impresses me about the modern jeeps (Wranglers) as, compared to pretty much everything else, is the jeeps don't have a lot of extra 'bloat'..one example, the distance from the front grill to the radiator is mere inches in a jeep, that measurement is in feet in every other comparable vehicle. Getting into a modern Truck/SUV, you are enveloped in puffy plastic crap...the door panels are puffy, the dash is 3 feet deep...the center consoles are larger than mini-fridge...is all that plastic stuff really necessary?
Jeeps are small 🙄
And behind every grill about 2 or 4 inches you will, Guess what; find the radiator 😂
@@sixpest modern jeeps aren't really that small, they are just constructed more appropriately.
I wholeheartedly second that sentiment at 28:28, we need a super simple bare bones one.
😂 ALEX AND THE MUSTACHE 😂
It’s a culture not a costume!!! lol
Fantastic vid!!
So much fun to watch!!
Great job, guys!!!!
Glad you enjoyed it!
The throttle lock is for PTO mounted items such as the fire pump and field generator plus a variety of farm and forestry equipment in civilian use.
My Dad drove them in the Pacific Theater during WW2 (Sergeant and Jungle Raider with the Americal Division of the 182d Infantry HQ) and liked the original better than the others such as the Ford with its independent front suspension which he said was only really good for around base and not rugged enough for off-road use. After an EMP event the old MB will likely still be running while all the new ones with their multiple computers, etc will be primarily lawn art.
Repairs for the most part on the MB could be done with a highly specialized tool kit comprising of a pair of pliers, adjustable wrench and a few flat head screwdrivers while the new ones require a much more complex tool kit including computers and the training to be able to use them.
The steering probably needs adjustment on that MB if it really has more than 1 inch of play in the steering wheel and may also need the caster set better on the front axle. Most people mess up and only adjust the cross shaft connected to the pitman arm on the steering box without first adjusting the end play on the worm shaft attached to the steering column. You have to adjust both or eventually you'll destroy the bottom end of the worm shaft where it serves as the inner race for the bearing on that end.
Thanks for comparison. Enjoyable video, guys!
another fantastic video TFL crew!
Thanks again!
Awesome job guys! That really looked like a lot of fun.
What really great and fun start to my Sunday morning.
Thanks guys.
Great video, more Grand cherokee content please 😅
ZJ for life!
One of your best and most enjoyable videos ever! I love your channels, so informative and so real. Keep it up! From the Canadian West Coast.
Wow, thank you!
The leather strip on the helmet isn’t a strap for your chin, it’s supposed to mount around the bead of the helmets lip.
The moustache cracked me up. Def need to build that into a series
The Moustache Rides 😂
Super Mario Jeep
The only other vehicle from that time period that went from military to civilian is the power wagon. It would be cool to do a comparison of your military jeep against a military power wagon
Really liking this format of content - subbed!
Awesome, thank you!
Fantastic video!! You guys killed it!!
loved this video! more like this, please. the future of TFL 👍🏼
When considering the WWII Jeep you have to keep in mind that the other side was using horses and ox carts so that little Jeep was a big advantage.
The Germans really, ox carts?
@@darsco2290 Yes
@@darsco2290 Yes but not only. Look it up.
They had their own vw called the Kübelwagon which was only 2wd. They definitely had their own vehicles, not just ox carts.
@@troygallagher3459 Their numbers for the Kubelwagon and trucks were much lower than the Allies and they relied heavily on animal transport. That is why Allied fighters would strafe ox carts. The Germans built about 50,000 Kubelwagons over the course of the war, whereas the US produced over 640,000 Jeeps. Plus we had a huge number of trucks. The US alone produced over 2 million trucks.
I would love to see the MB vs a stock TJ! To me they both held the essence of exploring and fun and capability! Great video! You two are the ones who need to do the off road stuff with the tech stuff! Good Job
A bit of black smoke coming out while doing the 0-60 run , not sure if the Fiat engine has anything to do with it :D
I appreciate and enjoy the reviews of historic vehicles that "normal" people used (the military Jeep, the Ford Model T, and the Citroen 2CV), and especially that the commentary emphasizes the environments into which those vehicles came. Very respectful of the enormous amount of work that went into designing those vehicles for their intended environments, and of the accomplishments those vehicles made. Nonetheless, driving them in a modern environment (the Model T to a fast food drive-through and the Jeep on LA streets and freeways) was hysterical to watch.
yes!!..sometimes it's refreshing to see the vehicles of the past, some of which we drove in our youth and those which none of us would have driven...and the simplicity of them!!
The sillier the test, the more I enjoy the video
A modern Rubicon needs less automation and more repairability to be "warzone ready." Fewer electronics. Make the diffs Detroit locker style. Give manual locking hubs. Etc. They're so capable but to be reliable enough to be used in combat they have to be much simpler and field-repairable.
Would have been cool to have tested a new 2 door Willy’s with top and doors off
The war willys are my favorite convertibles!
My dad had a cj 3a for awhile. I loved driving it! 45 mph was pretty much max, but that was to be expected. The purest form of a jeep.
Take it camping in the woods or wilderness. Take it offroad on the trails and through the woods. Then tell me which one you prefer. I could take my 4x4 2022 GMC Sierra truck and do all the things the modern jeep is doing. But could you squeeze in all the tight places? If the electric system or computer shut down would you still be rolling? Is it the same outdoor experience?
Very entertaining gentlemen.
That competition was pretty funny.
In the future if you are going to always catch and release in your pond maybe use J hooks instead of Treble hooks because it will be alot easier to remove the hooks from the fish's mouths and especially if they swallow it down deep.
Old-school Jeep for the win! 😎
... as someone that watches Whistlin Diesel, I gotta say... that "glass" test wasn't really uh... extreme.
I love Whistlin Diesel 😭😭
Honestly they would've been better off with plates, you even look at a dinner plate wrong and it'll explode. Also why didn't they test it in the seats instead of the back of the jeep? Not applying this to the oldest jeep that is a two seater, but for the four seaters you should be testing comfort where people will sit. Older jeaps, pretty much anywhere is considered a seating position as proven by the last video on this.
I have a friend who lives in northern Minnesota and has a lot of experience with driving in snow. He claims the best vehicle he has driven for riding in snow is the WW2 era Jeep. WW2 Jeep vs Model T might be a better thing to do
JL vs MB head to head on Hell's Revenge!
I had a 63 falcon with a squeaky clutch linkage that nothing would stop until I used tri -flow lubricant .
No more squeaks.
Great video you guys are awesome
I was sad when the Top Gear trio and then The Grand Tour, stopped their series, TFL is becoming a great replacement! I’ve been watching since 2012 and it’s incredible to see how the channel has grown. 👏🏼
The first "Jeep" that I drove was an "MB" model back in 1978. Having previously driven 40's and 50's vintage Dodge Power Wagons, the MB was quite sporty by comparison. I did own a '63 Willys Wagoneer that had a 389 Pontiac v8 with the 3sp manual and a single speed transfer case. But at 68 years old, I like the a/c and other features of my '96 ZJ and my '23 JLU. We have some diesel pickups that do the heavy work like towing our JLU when carrying our 4Wheel popup camper. So for the question about for the G.I. Joe vehicle, a military spec 4cyl turbo diesel may be good. But today solider has lots of gear they take everywhere. So any model Jeep may not work for todays soldier.
I think the stealth test should be redone for visibility at night. The WWII Jeep actually has blackout lights
I'm going to binge watch this channel
That was very cool! I agree with Tommy about Jeep coming out with a basic SUV starting at $21K. If the vehicle is not too wide, it would fit in my garage of my townhouse and have plenty of clearance from my automatic garage door opener unit.
tbf. suburban is not just the longest running name plate. but had its start in ww1. as a literal wagon on a truck chassis. so that comparison between suburban and wagon i found humorous. but chevy built the original to send over seas with the military. those guys came back to the US and wanted that vehicle. chevy seeing the demand. made the 1st ever suvs. but it wasnt called an suv till much later. suburbans are my all time fav.
Good to see her out in the country! She took the course like a champ! You guys gonna do a night driving comparison? She's super fun to drive at night, its a totally different experience. Great job!
The new jeeps would break down too much and would be a pain to repair. Old willys are simple, reliable, easy to fix if needed
Video of the year 🍻
Some of the noise you hear on the 4xe is the electric power steering pump
The Renegade actually performed pretty good during this.
You two are adorable. "Right you are, Case!" I love your chemistry together.
I like when Kase is in videos. He has a good vibe.
Dolphin plush... That's weird! Lol
You should compare the willys to the sierra
I have a uilt JKU and a Built Renegade sport. I have built them both. My wife drives the Renegade. We have taken both of them to and on many trails. The Renegade has handled everything we have put it through. It has done many of the JBOH trails. Don't hate. I admit I was shocked at how well it does.
If Guido is driving, is the Banana's name actually Luigi, or Princess Pea?!
Another fantastic series from TFL Classics!
Look online, A Bridge too Far, James Caan's seen in the Jeep . . . great scene!
The renegade didn’t win the comfort test, it broke the most glasses! You know the super old adage that totally wasn’t just made up… comfort is subjective but broken glass isn’t! P.S. this is the best tfl video ever P.P.S. Is it safe to say that you are the inventor of “jeep fishing”
Mahindra sells the MB design. The Jeep is not road legal anymore but they sell it as an off-road only vehicle.
Thank you, Kase and Tommy, It was a surprisingly informative and entertaining review. Don't know if Alex is Italian, but he is a spicy meatball
4:13 "...you bought the strongest glasses...", yeah right, "....Grandma's glasses..."🤣 Great video
TJs/LJs were the best, IMO. They just need the upper suspension linkage triangulated, to eliminate the trouble-prone trackbars.
They were comfortable enough, yet still simple enough.
The CJ8 and LJ were even big enough to haul the family and their stuff, while towing a boat or camper.
The aftermarket support could make them FANTASTIC.
Imagine how well a jeep repro would sell, if not Priced like a modern vehicle
The ole jeep is nostalgic, but the late 70s thru the 80's Wranglers were my favorite and most comfortable. They also seem to have more room with the exception of the longer 2010 2 door Wrangler
Renegades are well known for exploding
well for WWII that acceleration was better than most passenger cars for its gear ratio of 4.88 front and rear lockable differentials
The military copy is just slightly different than my CJ7!
Regarding the MB brakes, show on video how to access the master cylinder. You should check to make sure the MC is full. I am guessing you are low on brake fluid.
How about testing the old Jeep vs a 1980s Humvee?
One was made for combat in Europe and Asia the other one was made for soccer moms.
I guess Jeeps are like people - as we get older we get more comfortable, hopefully smarter, but fatter and squishier. And while we might remain more exceptional than our contemporaries, we’re simply not as cool as our younger self.
(…and we’d like to pretend our adopted Italian cousin doesn’t exist).
Now, you need the most recent 'Jeep', or JLTV, for a complete comparison!
I would like to have this old Jeep! ❤
15:54 killed me lol
Now lets break more things, actually let's test the effectiveness of the automatic braking systems with cardboard?
And doesn’t the MB have Dana axles almost like the ones today?
No, on the modern Jeep the Fiat (AXIS) made motor would blow up in the line of fire, and couldnt be fixed with hand tools and duct tape. The MB was and is the most versatile military vehicle of all time. -Signed, an Historian
My favorite part of the jeep test was the first cast. The second was better and 4 minutes isnt bad for a fish. Wonder what lure- Oh right, the car
This video was freaking hilarious and poor Alex getting blown up in the renegade
Tha5t glass test seems a bit unfair, as neither of the first two jeeps had rocks in the box, and 1 of the glasses was already broken before the third jeep test.
I would like to see how difficult it is to put the windshield down on new jeeps. Doesn't sound like it's fun. That's what I'd like to do when I had my CJ3A and CJ5 drive around with a windshield down!
I can very easily imagine what driving a MB is like... It seems extremely familiar to the 40s/ 50s "farm" trucks.
one's 80 years old, the other will be lucky to make 3 years! Last time i picked up consumer reports Jeep was dead last in reliability.