The Fighters that Fought SNK's Monopoly in China
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- Martial Masters team for King of Fighters please?
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Taking a look at International Game System's (IGS) PolyGame Master (PGM) and all of the cool fighting games they made, which include Alien Challenge, The Killing Blade, Martial Masters, and Spectral Vs. Generation, which is a crossover between Idea Factory's Spectral Force and Generation of Chaos. I did not mention all of these by name just so I could help the name search algorithm for this very obscure video I promise!!! - เกม
Now I wanna play and learn more martial masters now
Crane is a certified Jwong character 🫡
@@GuileWinQuotethats who I first picked a while back
Stevareno and Dougster are INCREDIBLE white people in a fighting game names. George Jensent WISHES he could be them
Bobson Dugnutt vibes
Are they better names than Jedi Ryan?
Goldlewis Dickinson comes close but still misses the bar
I thought Stevareno was a gold person
"Yo, 'bout to hit the bar with the Dougster and Steverino. Yeah, gonna get plastered!"
I'm probably like one of the three people who played Spectral vs Generation on PS2 in Europe. Seeing it show up here was like a time machine throwing me 15 years into the past, and I had NO idea it was part of this weird SNK-killer lore. As always, thank you for your fun and positive fighting game content, and have a good 2024!
Shit, a local game center has Spectral VS Generation on its PS2. I gotta try it sometime.
Had on PSP back in 08
I owned it on my psp too
I swear spectral vs generation had the toughest boss battle for me. The final boss was like a bullet hell and I couldn’t believe I actually beat it
I remember finding a tas of Martial Masters when I didn't know what it was, and thinking "what is this SF3 animation madness doing in this unknown game". And I didn't even know what was Spectral Vs Generation before your video, nor the history behind the PGM system. Thank you for your incredible videos, these small parts of video game history are always interesting to learn about.
On the topic of overlooked god-tier fighters, I would LOVE to see some coverage of the Power Instinct/Gōketsuji series,
Most people only seem to really know about Groove on Fight (which ironically has nothing to do with the entire rest of the series) but the whole series is deserving of some serious praise IMO.
All of them are playable through either MAME or Teknoparrot, so they're absolutely worth a try for any fan of the genre.'
Legends is probably my personal favorite, but Matrimelee is also sick, even if all of the characters from the old games look totally different.
It will definitely happen. I'm not sure if I want to look over the whole series, or just PI6 & GoF....but it will happen!
@@GuileWinQuote You should :)
I feel that the most popular one is Matrimelee though. Because of it's higher quality and it being a NeoGeo game unlike every other PI title. GOF might be more talked about specifically in context of obscure and underrated games, but it's an exclusive Saturn fg, it just can't compete with the popularity level of the rest.
@@GuileWinQuote At least a brief overview would be interesting if you decide to cover those later PI games, because giving the proper context of the franchise would be nice imo. From my experience most fg fans (who don't know much beyond the mainstream, no matter if they are old schoolers) tend to talk like Matrimelee is a standalone game and not just one release from a franchise almost as old as Mortal Kombat, bacause of much Matrimelee stands out in the whole franchise. Oh and the fact it's not numbered in the title name and it's the only NeoGeo title, making it very accessible, must be a big help.
I love Power Instinct, underrated series, I hope it comes back sometime. Keith, Saizo, Reiji, Chinnen, the old ladys, and shintaro were my favorites
I absolutely love learning about video games from obscure corners of the world. The industry is so dominated by the US and Japan that there are countless titles from around the globe that go overlooked, yet can be a revelation to discover.
Addendum: The first thing I did after watching this was pick up that IGS collection on my Switch.
@@nick-playercharacter8583Great collection, specially if you're a fan of beat'em ups (IGS specialty), from that collection the gladiator and Knights of Valour 2: nine dragons are absolutelly great.
Play every fighting game you find. There just could be an experience waiting for you.
8:46 Actually a little disappointed that GuileWinQuote didn't do his full research for this video, because the IGS Arcade Collection DID eventually patch in proper 4:3 aspect ratio as an option, so to see him just rely on an old tweet from launch, instead of double-checking if anything was changed, is kind of surprising, since he's usually really good on getting his info right; it still may not be a perfect port, but IGS did seem to put in the work to improve upon its launch state. Beyond that, though, I can definitely say that Spectral vs. Generation is indeed a very cool fighter, and I would have loved to see what IGS could have done with a sequel on the PGM2 or 3.
I looked into a patch and couldn't find anything, but thanks for the info. I'm removing that part of the video out now.
@@GuileWinQuote Thanks for the quick response, GWQ.
I had no idea that Martial Masters had such humble beginnings. I guess it makes sense that a CPS3-grade fighter doesn't just materialise out of thin air.
I love that your vids are in 4:3, idk how often people mention that but it gives me nothing but good vibes for some reason
I have mixed feelings about Martial Masters. His first two albums are all-time classics of course but they have a lot of lyrics that haven't aged well. I know it was supposed to be provocative at the time but now it's kind of hard to be okay with some of those lines. And I just cannot bring myself to care about any of his newer material, it feels like he's still riding the success of his early work. I'm from Michigan though so I have a degree of innate fondness for Detroit rappers but there's a lot that are better imo.
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Ooooh Marshall I see what happened here 😂😂😂
😂 incredible shitpost bro
Bro!! 😂😂😂😂
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Really appreciate the mention of Alien Challenge, it's a super lovable game i've been playing for a while now, even if it's a short mention it's a good one.
8:04 YOU BET YOUR ASS I'M INTO THAT
Seriously though, the jump between Killing Blade and Martial Masters from an art standpoint alone is genuinely absurd for only being a year apart.
Once again thanks for talking about this cool stuff GWQ.
I just want to add that Spectral vs. Generation had in fact a pretty decent competitive scene in Japan in mid 2000s, because one of the reasons why I got interested in the game were the videos of the tournaments in Tokyo Ranking Fighters (TRF), a legendary game center in Nakano Broadway that still exist. At that time PGM emulation was shitty so I played a crapton of the PS2 version with some friends. Finally one of my friends got a PGM with an original taiwanese SVG cartridge but, for some reason, the taiwanese and the japanese version of the game are pretty different, with combos that you can't do on the taiwanese version. I guess IGS wanted to fix some things when they released the game on Japan so... just in case.
PGM is a weird piece of arcade history because IGS truly wanted to go head to head against SNK with the cheapest PCB board ever made at that time yet it was close to impossible to find a PGM game here in latin america. PGM is one of those machines that are alive and has a community online almost exclusively thanks to emulation, so bless the MAME team because I clearly remember how hard was to emulate the machine, in fact PGM still has some emulation issues with timing and some small glitches.
Also, on a fun note, IGS is still making arcade games but they are mostly into games for kids, like real small kids. They also still have a good relationship with SNK, as they added some KOF characters on one of their mobile games last month.
I didnt expect Spectral Vs Generation is popular in some country,loved to played it especially once the song is playing
It’s insane how igs started out making simple if fun games, to legitimately excellent stuff. Dondonpachi 2 is probably my favorite entry in the series and the matti and martial master is so good. Really wonder what was going on behind the scenes
based ddp2 enjoyer
Don't tell the shmupheads 😅
@@GuileWinQuote nah bruh LET THEM SHMUPHEADS KNOW
@@GuileWinQuote jokes on them . I am one
When you mentioned Spectral vs. Generation was an Idea Factory crossover I imagined how Neptune would look as a bonus character in a re-release and chuckled, then remembered there's probably nobody who could actually pull off that level of spritework nowadays and felt sad.
Unfortunately, the reason sprite-art died in most fighting games really has nothing to do with "laziness" or anything. It would only realy be difficult if you went for the approach that something like KOFXIII did with rotoscoped models. In fact, in terms of practicality just scanning drawings would be way easier than modeling, mocaping, etc.
the problem is that if a game is going to meet modern HD standards, the power needed for fast sprite scaling in 2K/4K or even just proper 1080p would cause most consoles and PCs to implode. Which is why even in modern anime fighters the sprites are a bit pixelated/crusty: making them straight scans and scaling them would make them run horribly.
@@GuestZer0 She'd fit in well in a sequel to Nitroplus Blasterz or a similar Bishojou fighter.
ps2 is my first ever console and i just now remembered playing spectral vs generation after watching this video this is nuts.
@@warbossgegguz679 To this day I'm still sad NB never got a sequel with more characters.
It doesn't even look that good visually though?
searched your name for another video and the second I pressed enter, the notification popped up, the timing is impeccable
2:22 it’s not “just some guy” it’s Wong Fei Hong. A Chinese hero that became almost mythical. The Once Upon A Time In China movies ( with Jet Li) and Drunken Master movies ( with Jackie Chan) have him as the main character. More than a 100 movies were made about that “just some guy”.
That's not the name on screen so I don't blame the fella!
XD
Yeah, the "Hung Gar" guy he mentioned in Martial Masters is based on the same guy. Last Blade by SNK also had a character based on Wong, IIRC.
What's weird is that he even mentioned Huang(Martial Masters) being based on Jet Li from Once Upon a Time in China? Which is Wong Fei Hong.
Dumb joke about the localization that I forgot to expand on and didn't realize. Whoops 😓
@@GuileWinQuote considering the topic lately, you played it safe and avoided a BIG PUNISH...
I played a bunch of Spectral vs. Generation on my PSP.
My friend group in middle/high school had a lot of fun playing SFA3 with all the customised characters, Darkstalkers, Guilty Gear, and Spectral.
Good times.
I fucking love Martial Masters and SVG. Every session on Figthcade- it was tradition to go from MM to SVG. Great Video! Also from what I know, Martial Masters was actually created by a Korean team for IGS ; don't know if that's the same for SVG though.
It's about damn time somebody showed IGS some love.
In my video about five underrated games on Fightcade, I mentioned The Killing Blade, which, in my opinion, did a good job competing with Samurai Shodown IV in terms of gameplay. I've tried to get into Martial Masters and SvG and didn't even know about half the tech presented in this video, I'll have to actually study those games now.
As an avid importer of PS1 and PS2 games, I got SvG when it was new and played it quite a lot back then. And in an odd twist of fate, a tiny arcade opened up in this small Virginia town a few months ago less than a block from My house, and the guy that runs it is a huge fighting game fan so he has an original Chinese Martial Masters cart.
Hey wait you import PS1 and PS2 games as well?!!
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YES YES YES! You're finally talking about Martial Masters! Thank you Mr. WinQuote thank you!
bro it really makes me so so so so happy that you're getting to share the same sort of appreciation I have for fighting games to everyone like this
I love that everyone is getting to learn about all these different games >w
Man your channel is so underrated. I absolutely love your channel and content. Please don’t stop making videos please
Love the way you approach Fighting games in your videos you either make it into subject/theme or their so bizarre you make it’s own video keep it man
I’m so glad you put this out. I remember the only way I could find martial masters was on eBay for 1000$ and get a custom pgm for around 600, years ago. Had it on my watch list for years and today I finally am able to play it for 30$. Peace.
6:20 i really really loved how despite that everyone's Shadow was just a clone of themselves, for some reason, this dude has a little shadow monkey that throws durians and pineapples. love that so much
I love Your videos man, I'm always learning something cool ❤ I will definetely check out Spectral vs Generation 😄 Thank You!
Awesome work as always, these two really looks great.
Love your content so much. The PGM ones look very interesting
Thank you for watching!!!
I love those obscure fighting games. Martial Masters was great fun and I still want to see more people talking about Asura Blade and Asura Buster .Or even that fighting game based on the Les Miserables. Power Instinct also deserves so much love too.
Fun video!
Monkey Boy from Martial Masters throwing durian at you gets me every time.
Maybe the biggest tell that this game was from South East Asia 😅
There was also a beat'em by IGS called Knights of Valour which was a fusion of Warriors of Fate and Shadow Over Mystara. A genius idea since both of those Capcom games were, and still are mad popular in China.
Glad to see another excellent video, I knew about both games but not the hardware they were built on! Speaking of chinese fighting games, have you ever thought about doing a video on Xuan Dou Zhi Wang? That pc only KOF clone from back in the day?
Martial Masters garnered more attention from the fighting community while Spectral VS went largely unknown, but as for me, I picked up Spectral VS and was really into it with my group of fighting game friends because I was a fan of the Spectral Force games. So a fighting game based on the series had my immediate attention. Meanwhile, I have never seen Martial Masters until today LOL. I've also never noticed, that the game is a Japanese/Chinese joint made game!
Martial Masters does indeed look really good and certainly a huge step up from IGS's earlier games. I just wish it didn't look so much like Street Fighter III, because even with its beautifully crafted sprites and animation, I just couldn't help but see it as a Street Fighter III knock off with a lot of things the game obviously 'borrowed' or 'inspired' by. In any case, it looks like a lot of fun and I'll have to check it out on the Switch.
Speaking of which, I regularly browse through deals on the Switch's eShop but still don't remember seeing this game. I might have skipped through it because it looks like some unknown indie games? But at least I know the name of the game now, so I can just look it up directly.
Great video! Never heard about IGS, let alone that they were the ones that made Martial Masters ( I always thought Capcom or SNK made that one!) :o
These games are still popular in China or at least Chinese diasporia emulation console scenes (I mean those Chinese made handheld or console machines with 10000 games ranging from MAME to Nintendo64 games in them and you can add your own game). Play surprisingly well for arcade games made in the late 90's when Mainland Chinese game studio was still in their infancy.
Also another popular Chinese made beat em up arcade game is Knight of Valour series, based on the Three Kingdom characters. In a way it play a bit similar to Capcom Tenchi wo Kurau
Nic-san isn't "just some guy". He's clearly inspired by the historical/ literary character of Wang (Huang) FeiHong, portrayed on the big screen through the series "Once Upon a Time in China", especially by Jet Li.
I freaking adore _Martial Masters._ Found it in my local Chuck E. Cheese's back in the 2000s. This was he same place I fell in love with everyone's favorite 45-degree knock-off of _Dance Dance Revolution… Pump It Up!_ Oh, and _MoCap Boxing._ Good times.
Martial Masters, Killing Blade, Alien Challenge and SVG are stone cold bangers for me, especially MartMas and SVG. The former got me to appreciate a lotta old school martial arts films and the latter is a game that seemed like nothing much, but has so much depth to it that it caught me off guard
Dudeeeee! I was looking for the guilty gear like game since I played it in a pirated compilation of fighting games as a kid in 2008, I could only remember the dark angel dude, but I had no idea how to look for it! Thank you for talking about it! That compilation was wild, it had a zatch bell arena fighter, spectral vs generation, and I think a game with hayato’s sprite from MvC2
Very cool games.
I loved your video dude.
It would be great if these were sold on Steam.
Man this video blew me away. I would have loved to try these games back in the day. Definitely going to check them out via Switch and Fightcade.
I played Spectral vs Generation at a mystery tournament once and had no idea what it was, thanks for the coverage so I know what it is now!
DOUGSTER SUPREMACY (like for one touchdown, retweet for 2 point conversion)
I remember learning about Spectral vs Generation when my friend imported it. It really is a fun game and I'm glad more eyes are on it now. I knew it was a crossover because I recognized Wells when I tried playing Generation of Chaos without a manual. Good times.
aka gen 4
Killing blade is more Ninja Masters than Samsho IMO
And its emphasis on aerial moves are a nod to the fantasy wuxia genre, where the charafters just flies all over the place(a more subdued, well known version of this is Crouching tiger, Hidden dragon)
The fact that I have never heard of any of the games in this video makes me proud to have been one of your first 1000 subs. (At least I think I joined you around 600-990) Great finds! Man I need a computer that can handle Fightcade bad! I'm missing out on too many old school competitions.
Anything can run fightcade as long it's not too old. And too old in broad and flexible terms... not even in gaming pc terms.
@carlosaugusto9821 Well the problem I keep having is it won't accept my fightstick when I try to play on it.
I would love to see you make a video on Card Saga Wars some day!
i just love watching videos like this
Took a while for something like SvG to be covered by you, and an EXTREMELY LONG time for something like MM to be covered, finally. Since they're marketed under IGS/PGM however, I can see why you'd cover them this way.
Thanks for the video, Guile! Much respect, and please come to Brazil.
I love how Tiger is a christian dude that converts people through fighting lmao
while also being a fusion between Terry and Ken
Whitest man in fighting game history
Man I love the character designs in Spectral vs Generation
That Mahjong game was a few pieces away from getting TH-cam's attention
Wow, this was all new stuff for me. Never heard of any of these systems or games. And I'm not a fighting game expert, so that thing you said I would either love or hate, I had no idea what that was.
Martial Masters is a gem man, I remember discovering it years ago and being completely blown away, what was this random fighting game with animation quality on par with SF3 and Garou?? I told everyone I could about the game and urged them to try it. Definitely the best obscure fighter I’ve ever played. My only gripe with it is that I wish the music was better, but other than that it’s fantastic.
I absolutely agree. Finding a track from the game I liked for the background music for this video was difficult... Lol
@@GuileWinQuoteYea I bet, lol. Great video as always man! Quick question: Have you ever played Asura Buster or Asura Blade? Those are definitely two other obscure fighters that would be great to look at, they are almost like a mix between SamSho and Darkstalkers.
@@orlanzo2621 just like with Martial Master, those two were some of the first niche fighting games I had ever discovered. They'll be talked about eventually!!! Thank you for watching 🙇
@@GuileWinQuote Ok great! Can’t wait for the episode on them, keep up the good work man, you’re actually one of my favorite channels to watch.
Oh boy that first game is giving me MS paint vibes lol, yeah they really made huge leaps between games. Martial Masters and Spectral vs Generation, both look great with the gameplay to match them up, with the amount of fighters that were dropping in that era, its easy for them to get lost in the shuffle, but it's good to see them get that attention finally. I'll try and give Spectral vs Generation a bash next session as that's easier to get running on a ps2 for pvp. Great video!
Fun fact the creator of MAS systems (yeah the supergun and arcade stick company) was the person to figure out how to play mvs carts on aes
after watchin this great video, im currently figurin out if i should buy the IGS Collection for my nintendo switch or not
I remember first seeing Martial Masters in a DFW bowling alley in 2005 and I was shocked that I had never heard of the game before. Its character sprites and animation rivals anything Capcom put out in the 90s and the backgrounds gave me great Last Blade vibes.
And the game itself is pretty solid. You never would have guessed IGS started off with Alien Challenge.
That last line is very much correct and it can be used for so many things like movies, TV shows, music, food, etc.
I’d love too see you cover Omen of Sorrow. It’s a unreal engine fighting game made by a team out of Chile Called A One games. It’s a horror inspired roster with system mechanics that feel like a mix between VSAV and UNI, but with movement that is not nearly as good as that label implies. Jwong did a video about it when it came out on PS4 and it’s really fun. It was pretty much the only game I played during October because it’s so fun and spooky. Also the soundtrack is genuinely amazing.
Bro, spectral vs generations is a very cool fighting game that is horrendously underrated. I also literally have the original game cd back in the day too! Guys, give this underrated more loves please.
I've never even heard of Martial Masters before now, this looks incredible. Figuring out how to play right away.
It's on fightcade
OMG, these games look INCREDIBLE. Pretty sure if they had been more easily accessible back then, they would have had a loyal fanbase and would be regarded as Legendary nowadays.
THere's also the gouketsu ichizoku series (otherwise known as Power Instinct), with its third game (aka Groove on Fight) being unavailable on fightcade as of writing. You can emulate it via mame versions before 254 (and also the ST-V bios needed) and every character's super is 222K. it's nuts lol
i have not played the prior games but im sure theyre good (they also have playstation and dreamcast ports iirc)
I've played a small amount of the very first Power Instinct a while back and it's neat! I don't recall if there were any big systems to explore but it was a very serviceable SF2 challenger
The final game, Gouketsuji Ichizoku Matsuri Senzou Kuyou is also not available on fightcade as of right now, but it's also a very well respected entry in the series, from what I have seen.
Spectral vs Generation mentioned! 🎉🎉🎉
As someone who only recently discovered this channel, I'm constantly impressed with how weird and wonderful some fighting games get. Wonder if you'll ever get around to covering stuff Evil Zone or Bloody Roar.
Glad to see a video about SvG, this is one of my favorite fighting games. I don't care if a game is famous or not, since it is well made I play it. My dream is that someone creates a hack for balancing the game, removing all the infinite combos. My favorite characters are Roze and Hiro.
Spectral vs Generations! It's fun as hell!
I loved Martial Masters! Nobody talks about that one. I played on either Kawaks or Mame some years ago
Good coverage! Someday, their final fighter, Fearless Pinocchio, will be emulated, although it's an overly-simplistic single-player only affair meant for young children.
Have played both of these but had no clue about this crazy shadow stuff, sick
oh god it's THAT igs!!!
their games fricking flooded arcades in my country back in the late 2000s... and they ALSO made martial goddamn masters!?
scorpion is my favorite character from martial masters thanks to the awesome obscure movie operation scorpio.
I discovered martial masters in a justin wong video where he played it in fightcade and I really enjoyed it for a while. I think I will boot it up again, never knew it had this history
i dont know if you have discussed it or not but it would be so awesome if you'd consider covering Asura Blade and Asura Buster
That would be great!
I feel like maybe an Amiga fighters episode could work too.
Martial Masters looks very nice, and IGS did a incredible work on it. The sprite animation and character designs is well made, and reminds me a lot like SF3. I like they re release this on modern consoles with online play.
I love these spotlights on lesser-known fighters
You got my friend to ask me to play Martial Masters with him without me even asking. Thanks!
if the roster is unbalanced than im sold
I remember discovering Martial masters by checking cool mugen characters
A friend had told me about these guys that looked right in with the street fighter alfa-mvc characters and i had to see em
Great video mate!
Thank you for watching 🙇
This was FUN! Thanks!
You ever cover Chaos Breaker? Really interesting fighter and really unknown.
I have a video on it 🫡
It's definitely interesting what you can find on old obscure hardware like the stuff shown here, shame the switch collection isn't all that good, maybe an update could happen?
The crazy thing is that Martial Masters in 1999 holds up so well it looks better than Spectral vs Generation in 2005
Oh man, The Killing Blade. I remember watching a gameplay video of that on TH-cam years ago and at that time it was uploaded, the emulation of said game had some imperfections -- getting a single hit from the CPU is an instant kill lol.
Discovered so many games thank to you. I hate that I find ths is video 2 months later. Tho I will say, Alien Challenge, Martial Masters, and Spectral VS Generation are the only games I already discovered. But Im looking forward to trying all those other ones especially the bowling game.
But to stay on topic I love Martial Masters a lot. I never knew it had KOF type of mode because every time I played it, it was always 1 on 1. As for Specral VS Generation, it sucks that Roze is the only Generation character in the game. The rest are Spectral Force or OCs.
Can’t wait to try martial masters with my buds!
12:06 Oh hey I remember seeing this game over at the arcades in my country, it was incredibly popular because a lot of people here loved the capcom arcade game dungeons and dragons: shadow over mystara and capcom basically abandoned that genre entirely by the time this game came out, so a lot of people played this. It was very popular here.
Hell yeah brother
Oh my goodness, I'm part of the early crowd 😍
First time I saw Martial Masters was at one of the casino`s arcade in Las Vegas in 2000-01. I remember doing a double take on it like, "What in gods name is this beauty?"
Those were some cool looking gems
5:44 - I love me some command grabs! Specially when non grapplers have them.
I played the psp one of the last game. That master game you was talking about...yeah it was awesome❤
was wondering when you'd talk about this one. I love SvG lol