This is why my grandpa always said "never buy the first few years of a new vehicle, regardless of who makes it. Let everyone else find the weak points". 😂
Not bad advice, but this isn't a design problem so much as a manufacturing problem. They can't design an engine to withstand random amounts of randomly sized debris in random places throughout your engine block. 😂
@@brandonroeder2461 but its still a problem. And since I didn't run out and buy a tundra I don't have to deal with it. Thats the point. Its not limited to design flaws but also manufacturing processes.
Always the exact same bearing fails? It could be debris that is occurring on a specific drill path leading to this bearing. Some drill/CNC/port not getting properly flushed or worse keeping debris in that port/spot. Manufacturing has so many details that can get missed when whipping by MBA coin changers going on.
The engines are identical, from different CNC machines in different plants. The flaw is therefore identical across every engine. Why you have to see a conspiracy in everything, I don't know.
I work for a big manufacturer. When something is designed wrong, they always like to skip over that and say some assembly defect or debris during manufacturing. Trying to sound less incompetent.
But why would that machining debris be there? Are we sure it's actually machining debris, and not debris caused by overdriving a V6 with turbo, when it was better mileage with the torque requirements with a V8?
Yet those Toyota Cultists will whine and complain about every other car. It's amazing how often I'm told how unreliable my Fords are when they give me zero issues. Including a 04 Expedition with 338K. That old girl would start and run like a top every single day with ice cold factory AC, and she looked good while doing it.
Now we can say that Toyota is a true American manufacturer, since they unlocked the "build a truck that grenades itself in under 10k miles" achievement.
@@clapclapscream Right now they are finding every excuse not to take in a truck that has a grenaded engine. Toyota dropped the ball hard on this both during manufacturing and after sale care.
Traded in a lemon Tacoma... (we called it the Lemona 🍋) for an F150 5.0. This F150 is at 89k with zero issues since new. That Tacoma proved to me how far Toyota will go to NOT acknowledge a problem. Getting them to stand behind their warranty was an absolute struggle. Someone once said Toyota is Japanese for "Class Action Lawsuit... so true. All those rusted out frames Toyota had to replace years ago? Toyota finally stepped up to the plate after multiple class action lawsuits. People act like Toyota cares about them... lol, what a joke. Toyota just moved their Tacoma production to Mexico... yet they are asking even MORE for the truck while the consumer is getting LESS. Stop acting like the people who think Subaru is all about peace and love ✌🏾... these are companies trying to make the largest profit possible. 😅
It's not machining debrees. It's probably the connecting rod bearing design. They are known to go out faster with turbos. Ford had the same issues when changing the 2.0 to a 2.0 Ecoboost. Ford still has issues with them not making it to warranty. The 1.5's and lower L iter engines all had this issue with Ford and many other issues. The 3.5 from Toyota also has fuel rail and transmission issues they will need to fix. If they ain't careful they will be right up with Ford in recalls amd spending 2 billion a year because they are crap.
Doesn't make sense. They're isn't anything on the block when that work gets done. They get cleaned in different baths. Machining debris is like what you get trying to port a head while its on. I dunno. Doesn't make sense to me.
@paulfeasal6024 This seems no different than alot of customers in numerous markets. Trying to cheap out on the important stuff that probably wouldn't have cost that much more to just do right in the first place. Spend a Billion to save 100k. 😂
Same shit with the kia motors. Mine was just replaced at 117k for the same reason! Good motor design but theyre too busy with quantity over quality and hipe most people arent frugal and make them hold thier end of the deal when the rod bearing goes due to oil starvation!@franksmythe6969
@@cars654You can count Toyota's massive failures on one hand. GM's are innumerable. For every one GM product that makes it to 200k miles, there are a hundred Toyotas that have made it past the 400k mile mark. My work vehicle is an '04 Tahoe with 310k on the original engine and transmission. It's definitely one of GM's most reliable models... but it's still a giant piece of sh*t, and I'd still much rather have to rely on a Toyota product. Toyotas, overall, are superior to GM vehicles by just about every conceivable metric.
@@HenrikHolmesson Had my groceries delivered by this chick in a yukon. She couldnt leave because her shifter linkage fell apart in my driveway....lol. Go GM
@@HenrikHolmessonhave 2 friends that have newer Silverados one just had the engine replaced and the other a transmission both only had less than 70k miles and my cousin had a newer Yukon with the same drive train with 60k I told her to get rid of it before it costs her money
Good on Toyota for recalling and fixing it. If Apple built this engine they would find a loophole so it wasn't covered by the warranty and screw you over.
I added a small plastic privacy slider to the camera on my Macbook screen. Adding that 5-cent part resulted in $700 worth of screen damage. (Close the clamshell, and the screen busts). That's not reasonable. Apple won't cover it.
If Disney made this, they would say your 1 week of free Disney plus subscription exempts them from all liability because you clicked on the "I agree" terms.
So for those who dont know, blocks are cast in sand and often with styrofoam acting as a part of the mold as well. Once cast they cool down get the sand bits vibrated off and some simple cleaning, then on to machining where the parts like bearings and all the threaded holes are machined in, this leaves tons of chips and some sand from casting. They use to blast cleaning solution through every passage something that took a few min per block to hook up and run through the giant dishwasher. Accountants saw this as a labor intensive step and decided just to toss them in the industrial dishwasher without directly cleaning the oil and coolant passages. This is what cause all those kia engines to blow up. And now toyota of all companies are doing that toxic cheap trait
The irony in this situation is quite striking given Toyota's history with the Toyota Production System (TPS). TPS is renowned for its emphasis on quality, continuous improvement, and the elimination of waste. It’s ironic that a company which pioneered such meticulous standards in manufacturing is now facing issues due to cost-cutting measures that directly contradict those principles. The decision to skip a critical cleaning step to save labor costs leading to significant quality failures, is a big departure from the core values that made Toyota a benchmark in the industry.
So, a company that has been building reliable engines for longer than I have been alive, suddenly forgets how to properly clean a block after the casting process. This is why you NEVER believe the official story.
@@LewisTheFly888I like watching videos of people in places like Pakistan machining stuff on the side of the street with a dirt floor and strategically bent bit of metal to substitute as measuring calipers. Maybe that’s where the engines are getting done now
What are you thoughts on it only applying to the non-hybrid models? I'm thinking those would have the same issue they just didn't hit the recall due to not losing all power because of the hybrid motor.
Remember.. in the Movie FIGHT CLUB, when he's explaining, Law Suit ratio vs Death or injury, if it's worth doing a official Recall.. Once they have agreed to bite the bullet and declare a Recall is needed.. like the Dude (Technician) said it's a higher number..
@@WillSwingem KIA was full of crap, we had one that had never missed an oil change, and at 50k miles, it was burning a full quart between oil changes. They also sent us a letter that said the manual had a "misprint" on how often the oil should be changed.. We traded that POS in for a Honda, before the news got out they were all going to blow up.
I work in assembly and you'd be surprised how often we'd have down time or have to remake "finished" production due to either something as simple as a faulty tool on one job (out of over a hundred jobs), or because management is trying to speed up production by bypassing steps & processes. Even after they're repeatedly warned by experienced technicians, they will ignore the inevitable problem, hoping that it occurs on another shift's watch. Then, when it finally fails and we are down for hours, they do whatever it takes to get back running (i.e. not "fixing" the problem, just getting us running again). It's like getting multiple leaks in your roof and you keep putting buckets around to catch the drips instead of fixing the roof.
@@jesusisking8502 it's encumbered by too many requirements and restrictions while having to produce about the same power as 100 of the primitive model T engines.
@ThinkingCrimson or just switch to newer technology and switch to an EV magnetic engine that has no friction and has more torque, and save money on bs fuel prices going up, lol
imagine being stranded on the side of the road because your new Toyota's engine blew up just for the emergency exit door of a Boeing 737 MAX to come crashing down and hit your car
At least Toyota claims this is what’s causing the issue. I’ve read about 2024 models experiencing the same problem so expect this recall will expand. Toyotas quality as of late has been disappointing.
I’ve been an automotive technician for over 21 years. I work for a luxury European brand. A few years ago we started having machining debris issues, causing engine damage. In fact we still are dealing with it, though now it’s causing cooling system issues. I have it on very good authority, that other manufacturers have been dealing with this issue as well. In fact this is the first I’ve heard of the issue with Toyota and before you even stated what it was I was thinking to myself “machining debris.” I’ve heard the reason this all started and why it’s affecting multiple brands is because of new environmental rules/laws that pushed auto makers to conserve water and reduce harsh chemical usage. This resulted in reduced and or less effective cleaning after the machining processes. Don’t get me wrong, the new law is a noble goal, but until this issue gets sorted, I’m quite positive that all the failing engines, clogged cooling systems, and other unintended consequences are likely doing far more harm to the environment then the old way was. Assuming they can get this cleaning/flushing debris removal issue solved while still conserving water and reducing chemicals, then that’s good. I hope they can do that, but if my brand is any indicator, I ain’t gonna hold my breath.
What? Unintended consequences for a decision that is supposed to be a feel good, yet superfluous act? That's never happened before. well, I'm just shocked!
This is a direct result of government interference, forcing manufacturers to rush into new designs and technology before they are ready!! We all just sit back and let the government tell us what to purchase with our hard earned money!! Since when was this ever a good idea! Too much government....butt out!! Cheers from Canada 🇨🇦
Remember when Toyota moved the engine manufactururing fir the Corolla to the US during the mid 2000's and wound up with unreliable engines due to a lack of precision with the ports, they addressed the priblem by enlarging the ports. Seems that whenever they have engine manufacturing outside of Japan, they have to redesign their engine to be more tolerant of poor quality in the manufacturing. I guess simple training the workers from countries outside of Japan isn't enough to convince the workers that quality matters.
Making a V6 do the work of a V8 what I mean making same route and HP as a V8 alot of stress on the V6 that's why they failing it high RPM making that kinda power from a V6 comes at a cost in the long run
@@slabbusterrtr7690Literally the basics of turboing any car. Unfortunately its a 360 win for manufactures and government. Car gets better emissions, better performance and dies quicker so they can get you paying that car note more.
This is a great video to send my X in answer to her suggestion “Why don’t you just go buy a new vehicle instead of fixing your old cars?” New cars have their own problems which prevent them becoming old cars!
Why buy new when you can install an Edison Motors HEV pickup upgrade kit--AWD, of course!--into a 1972 Ford F100 with a solid body but a worn-out drivetrain and have something beautiful that can pull anything.
yep, at that time the coolant systems for the machining where not even close to what we have now, this story about debirs is total BS, is a design problem in combination with going cheap on the sand molds.
Kia and Hyundai said the same thing about their 2.4 liter engines that were coming in with the #3 rod sticking out the side of them. It eventually ended up as a recall and that was their official story was “machining debris” which had wiped out that particular bearing. Nobody at the dealers that had taken one of those engines apart believed that.
Don’t spread misinformation. Early on, we had to disassemble and inspect for a cause before the recall was launched. Definitely debris from the U.S. manufacturing facility that did not properly flush the block and oil galleries.
@@lrich8181 Correct. Only very early on did the district service reps require a teardown. Initially it was a short block and balancer assembly replacement, but it just became a long block replacement later.
@@lrich8181 That's because no one can rebuild those engines, they're trash. go and ask an engine builder if they will rebuild a kia/hyundai engine - if they say yes it's because they have no work, but they know the rebuild will fail.
Whether it's debris or not it's still bad design. Design goes beyond just the physical product that's made, but also the processes and procedures used to make them. If their process created debris that was still in the engine after it was complete, that's poor design.
The reason why there is machine debris is because toyota started to use less water and less solvents to clean the engines before assembly. It was more green, lol.
@@VroodenTheGreat I never said they were or weren’t great, you’re putting words in my mouth. Tf? Your response makes no sense. We’re obsessed with shitting on this engine and lauding the 4.6 and 5.7 when in reality they also had issues early on. Make that make sense.
I think cars should have chip detectors in the engine and transmission just like aircraft do. It’s essentially a small gap of two magnets, if any metallic particles are loose in the oil the particles attach and bridge the gap of the detector and illuminate a light telling you there is metal in your oil.
@@cjin0101 yea..if your pressure gauge is reacting to metal in the oil that’s way beyond fixing. Chip detectors pick up extremely fine dust sized particles so you shut down the engine before any lasting damage could take effect.
Fortunately they’ve caught it at 100k potentially affected vehicles… Instead of burying their heads in the sand until it was over a million like Hyundai/Kia.
@@Jonathan_Doe_ You're forgetting that those vehicles made by Hyundai/Kia had this issue, but the machinging debris was much smaller than in Toyotas, which is why the Hyundai/Kia engines were blowing up much much later in life, after many vehicles had already been produced. TL;DR: Toyota is addressing it now because the engine failures are happening now. Hyundai/Kia addressed it late because the engine failures started happening late.
@dominicg2456 people don't seem to understand how recalls work, and don't understand engines for mass produced cars are not hand built so things will be missed. Which is different from a design flaw
I had a Hyundai that came out of the Alabama plant by Montgomery when they had those Honduran kids working and the engines from that plant had metal shavings in the engine clogging oil lines and the engine blew because of it and they were supposed to replace the engine but fought me about it
A Toyota engineer chimed in and said that blocks come in with different measurements so they have main bearings with different tolerances to make it be within a certain spec and assemble them that way but the correct ones aren’t being used every time so it leads to major failure within 40k miles if you’re lucky to make it that far
The worst part is their warranty strategies on this.. Your mechanic need to strip the engine down to remove and send the problematic part. idk about most people but i don't want my under 20k engine to be rebuilt, without mentioning the skill of your mechanic will greatly influence the reability of your new truck for years now
Not only that, but imagine the time it is going to take for the labor. And if with the number of vehicles affected, imagine the wait time on parts. On top of the backlog of other vehicles that are ahead of you for the same exact issue. You could be waiting MONTHS.
@@tonycj7860probably around 3 days per vehicle it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to clean an oil pan and replace the main seals it’s getting into it which makes it hard
Most Tundra's old or new you have to remove the cab to remove the engine. Of course its not a problem with older Tundra's as their engines were pretty much bullet proof. But they have a serious problem with the turbo engines. Some Toyota dealer mechanics are quitting because of the increased work load repairing these defective engines. They will not have a problem finding a new job, good mechanics are in short supply !
That's why being ultra brand-loyal is futile. Toyota does indeed build good vehicles, but all of the sudden they have the worst full size truck on the market. My Silverados never blew up, and now I own a Subaru. Brand loyalty will blind you to a vehicle's issues.
They build mediocre vehicles and haven't built anything amazing in a decade. Toyota drivers don't like to drive so the vehicles aren't driven hard hence why a lot of the perception is that they are reliable still.
Or… just don’t buy them brand new, wait a few years and let the kinks work out. Buy one partially used w low miles a few years after they come out, get basically a brand new truck for half the price and know it’s not a time bomb.
@@cwx8we don’t like to drive?? lol. Son I put 40 miles on my tundra a day. Some days I drive triple that. The real issue is people buy them that can’t afford to go anywhere while they make payments, and payments for aftermarket parts…too many people live beyond their income bracket. People don’t buy Toyota trucks to let them sit. They aren’t super cars and they aren’t track cars, we buy them to work and have fun.
Ahh machining debris. My Tacoma has a recall for, “welding slag” that can cause axle separation and apparently an airbag clock-spring issue as well. I also discovered the bed is shifted like 1/2” to one side of the cab. Didn’t notice until I saw my RTT wasn’t centered despite knowing I centered the fuck out of it. Also mag props to Tinkerers Adventure, from one engineer (electrical tho) to another that guy is legit.
Debris in the engine makes no sense since the affected engines are produced in Japan and the US (Alabama). The bearing assembly in question is made by the same manufacturer and sold to both of the assembly plants. The question is whether it’s a bad batch or a bad design.
@@VroodenTheGreat the recall says that those hybrid models have different pressure on the bearings for some reason, and also have electric power in case of a engine stall/stop.
I have the Sequoia with the iForce 5.7 V8. I talked to a guy who had traded his in almost a year ago, for the new model with the V6tt. He said it is great for reducing gasoline expense in low speed and low weight situations; however towing his dump trailer, camper, or boat take more fuel than the V8 did. He said highway speeds (65ish) gave about the same mileage as the V8. He wanted his old one back. 😂
I have a 1998 Toyota Tacoma pre-Runner with 365,000 miles but I just bought a brand new 2024 Nissan Titan Pro 4XXD and I love it. Toyotas have too many problems nowadays.
@@Chris-te7uk I’m a mechanical engineer and been for 52 years. My emphasis was internal combustion engines. I’ve tested the on engine dynos and conducted research on them. Though other manufacturers specify 0W-20 oil, they haven’t seen anywhere near as much bearing failure that these 3.4L TT Toyota engines have seen.
@@Chris-te7uk The U.S. produced blocks in were not getting flushed properly after machining. We received a technical service bulletin for the inspection process, reasons why, and photos of what debris to look for.
Toyota limited it to under 100k knowing they'll extend that to early to late made 23s as well. Toyota held back to make it seem less of a problem than it really is
Good for the recall, bad for only providing a short block and making the dealerships tear the whole truck apart. Not exactly a controlled and repeatable process. I guess the paperwork says, your mileage may vary....as well as the reliability.
You'd probably be amazed at how little the tech will get paid to replace the short block. If anything goes wrong shortly after he'll fix it for no pay. The world of flat rate.
@@treborheminway3814 I worked for Toyota as a Tech then an MDT. Took all schools. Never saw a video or any thing relating to establishing flat rate times. A woman pulls the times out of thin air. Knowing the Techs can either like it or lump it. It's called taking one for the team when you get screwed out of your pay. If you don't like that soon you're down the road and they hire in another sucker to take one for the team.Get It?
My problem with a short block is that if it blows again does the manufacturer or the dealership take the hit and fix it, i see potential for finger pointing. Plus given the size of the recall Toyota should set up a separate engine line and do remanufactured long blocks so it's plug and play at the dealership.
Excuse me but these issues have been happening since 2018, ever since this 3.4 turbo V6 engine debuted in the LS500. Multiple threads in the Lexus forums with failure going back to 2018, and in some cases with 2 or 3 engine replacements! Toyota kept ignoring it on purpose to buy time and to see with just how much they could get away with. If it weren't for the NHTSA opening an investigation, Toyota wouldn't have done a "voluntary" recall. Every giant car manufacturer is evil, greed is their motto, whether it be GM, Ford, Hyundai, Stellantis, Toyota, or Honda. Support the smaller manufacturers.
A symptom of an overall decline in QA Inspections, Employee Working/Living Standards, and the work ethic/attitude of working class people everywhere. Glad to see the Fortune 500s aren't immune, hopefully standards are raised for both Employee Compensation and Quality Control.
Bro what I've been a mechanic for 15 years I've never had that happen I've seen old people that put 28 miles on it in a year want an oil change but not what your talking about
@@zakpike4582 The guy believed there was metal in the engine and so the first few hundred to a thousand miles he changed it a bunch of times. After that just changed at normal intervals.
Doesn't matter where it is built these days - it matters what the current corporate culture is on quality/durability & sadly neither Toyota or Honda are the same companies that they used to be in that regard. My new 2020 Japan-built Toyota was the worst vehicle that I have owned in 40+ years & 11 different new Toyota, Honda & Acura vehicles during that time. Purchased my first Mazda in 2022 (built in Mexico, CX-30 CE) & no problems or defects to report going on 2.5 years owned/driven now.
@@dystopia-usaagreed. The machines are mostly doing the building. I thing a big problem is that companies engineer things to break after a sufficient amount of time so you can buy a new one instead of using technological advancement to build something that lasts
@@dystopia-usait absolutely matters where it's built. These are built in the US. US has always had lesser build quality. Why I wouldn't but a new Honda or Toyota product unless it came from Japan.
I was ready to buy a full-size Toyota pick up with a V-8 right when they did away with the V-8. I have no interest in a V6 TwinTurbo from any manufacturer. The used V-8 Toyota trucks are impossible to find because now everyone wants one.
@@Madddog87 I had a Duramax/Allison GMC And decided I really didn’t need a diesel, so I didn’t keep it very long. Luckily I never had the wimpy pin in the crankshaft fail. I have to run with a gas powered V-8 is what suits me best.
They are not impossible to find. I can see a dozen of them on Autotrader. What is harder to find is one that isn't black, white or grey. I just bought a red 2020 Tundra last month.
@@damondiehl5637 Anything but red for me. 😂 Thanks for responding to my comment. If I get serious I imagine I can find one but I am an old codger at this point so I’ll be looking for something that’s fairly local. The way I understand it these manufacturers with all the models they produce have to achieve the highest miles per gallon average through the whole line, so of course they’re gonna cut the V-8’s every chance they get.
The reason their new engine sucks is because it's not the goddamn demi-god engine, the 1GR-FE 4.0L V6 It is impossible to break a peak Toyota engine like one of those
as a Toyota tech, lol. Toyota is trying to figure out the cheapest way to do the recall right now rather than what should be a complete long block engine replacement for everything the metal contaminated oil touches. I bet the procedure boils down to replacing a bearing on most engines, an oil flush with a few filter changes and an announcement on a 'warranty enhancement' of the engine that extends it for another 100k should the condition present itself.
But will Toyota get lambasted across all of media for their failure and subsequent recall… no they will not, all of media is duty bound to criticize only Tesla (because they don’t spend advertising dollars on any network)
Yes 5448 aluminum engine blocks do warp a bit under heat and stress race cars have aluminum blocks but In the boring pedestrian world cast iron engine blocks are more practical
Why can’t we ALL agree that cars/trucks/vans etc aren’t built to last 🤣🤣🤣 every car manufacturer sucks and will continue to suck because F$&k the consumer that’s why 😎
Machining debris wouldn't exclusively damage the main bearing. Also I find it hard to believe both Japan and US factories making the engines would miss machining debris, especially Japan, for a hundred thousand engines.
These problems are all exclusive to the American made tundras, the Japanese ones are completely safe and I believe don’t have any recalls except for the fuel line
That engine, from what I understand, is made in the USA and in Japan. Both countries manufacturers are making the engines incorrectly? I don't know about that.
@@Walterrinhoyes, then they ship those blocks to the two factories, including a little white package containing "debris" and instructions on exactly where to put it. 🙄
@@MrSleepProductionsIncYou're not wrong but if anything in the chain isn't up to spec it pays off to have experienced and trained staff. They can catch a lot of these things before it's a mass problem within the product line..
@@oliverheaviside2539oh great. Thats not right...these truck owners deserve a new engine, top to bottom. Metal filings get everywhere, and omce it chews the bearings, even worse.
@@1gbayfisher You are correct, and taking the entire front body of the truck apart and then disassemble the whole engine to swap the short block is a technician’s nightmare, takes a month or longer, and something inevitably will not be done right. And the recall is for 96,500 trucks!
I know several guys who have been in the hot seat trying to get a million dollar engine block cleaning machine to work right (I live in Michigan). The struggle is real. More of a problem with heavy duty trucks honestly though.
My 2011 Tundra and 2015 Sequoia have the 5.7L. I test drove one of the new ones to see what I was missing. I know it supposed to have more power on paper, but it felt much more sluggish than either of my older vehicles.
It's most likely something else than machining debris!!! Toyotas been building reliable motors for decades and decades!! So why now is debris has been left in engine and assembled ???@
The wisest comment I’ve come across on this vid. Essentially this is the circus most consumers are in with these Auto manufacturers. Statistics show dealerships are going belly up because customers starting to realize buy and holding a reliable product is the most cost efficient way to go. No more trade ins, no more leasing & financing is done.
Not only do you get an overpriced POS but you also get the honor of spending the day with one of the bottom 3 life forms on the planet, a car salesman. Maybe someday car companies will wise up and make good vehicles we can all go to Costco and be in and out withing 5 minutes.
@@rx7241 You cannot buy a car AT Costco. Costco provides a slight discount, but you still have to go to a car dealership and hassle with a car salesman (the lowest lifeform on earth) about trade ins, finance if needed, upcharges and extended warranties, the special pinstripe and paint protection they got like $5 in and try to sell it for $1000.
I just can't believe with all the testing they did before launching this truck ,they didn't run in to any of these issues and there are a lot of issue not just engine
I had a 2020 RAV4 and it was the biggest pile of trash I’ve ever driven. No uncomfortable, noisy, clunky, and just overall unimpressive. Nothing but issues one after another. Traded it for my 23 Frontier and haven’t been happier. The perfect truck to me in many ways.
So why did you buy it??? All of that is what you find out test driving it. If you really found a Ford to be better than I don't think the car is the problem
Everyone saying go back to the 5.7 V8 lol yes it’s good and bulletproof but thanks to Biden the emission standards are strict as hell forcing all manufacturers to go hybrid, full EV, or downsizing motors
The move to less emissions has been going on since the 60s , it has made a very positive impact on our environment, and it will continue as in 2030 our fuel changes and in 2035 you will not be able to buy new ice vehicles , Biden has had very little to do with emission laws . My solution is to adapt my current trucks to flex fuels
Honestly, modern-day cars aren't really great anymore. Well, it happens mostly in new cars and probably the cost cutting of the one in charge or managing to save money.
Not anymore .. their dealers are more crooks than Toyota itself. If you bring your car for an issue, they will say "its totally normal," to get you going until the warranty runs out !! My brother Rav4 had a battery draining issue due to their faulty DCM software that was not cutting off the power after turning it off the engine. He took it 1st time last year .. it was normal for them while under the warranty.. Last month, when he ran out from the warranty ... with degraded battery .They said they have to upgrade dcm software and quoted him for $280 for ten minutes of work.
They dont, they listen to bad media coverage. Thats why this wasnt adressed until it got traction on the internet even though the trucks have been blowing themselves up for a year already.
They are lying. V6 engines are made in Japan and outside Japan. Can seperate maching by different machines in different countries leave debri ? U mean no QC ? U mean nobody assembling engine saw the debri ?
Toyota reliability is gone thanks to the EPAs bs regulations on how vehicle size effects MPG. It's ridiculous. All these companies could have just stuck with their old reliable engines and not had to change a thing if it weren't for the EPA. You can thank them for vehicles losing reliability. These automotive manufacturers literally have to engineer a whole new engine every four years to meet the EPAs demands.
The Lexus engines made in Japan are failing too as well as the 2024 models. Nice try Toyota for thinking all of us are stupid. Fix the motor by redesigning it. I’m done till you do. Fire the CEO while you’re at it.
Doubt this is the actual problem since the Lexus with this same engine 5 years ago has the same issues. Too much power for such a small engine is more like it. I’m so glad I bought a used 2020 5.7 V8.
Once Toyota replaced the Tacoma's 3.4L 5VZ-FE Engine that had a Cast Iron Block with these new Aluminum 3.5L engines, I was done. My old truck was literally bulletproof and never had an issue even after 3 hurricanes. Now Toyota and their infinite wisdom put a V6 in the Tundra and is no longer making the V8. Now I am completely done.
The failure has been reported in engines made in Japan and in the USA. That means it's a procedural error during engine assembly that has been followed by engine assembly workers in both countries and is not quality related. Toyota has identified the problem and corrected it in their assembly lines. They have recognized the problem rather than try to conceal it and are recalling those vehicles that might suffer from it. Sounds like responsible corporate behavior to me.
Toyota: Defect causing actual physical recall Media: No coverage whatsoever. Tesla: Recall in form of 10 minute software update via wifi Media: Massive amounts of Elon/ Tesla hit pieces
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This is why my grandpa always said "never buy the first few years of a new vehicle, regardless of who makes it. Let everyone else find the weak points". 😂
Exactly. They will fix the issues. Takes time
Honestly? Not the worst advice
Not bad advice, but this isn't a design problem so much as a manufacturing problem. They can't design an engine to withstand random amounts of randomly sized debris in random places throughout your engine block. 😂
@@brandonroeder2461 but its still a problem. And since I didn't run out and buy a tundra I don't have to deal with it. Thats the point. Its not limited to design flaws but also manufacturing processes.
@@chandlerbraaten847 what you're talking about has to do with new designs, not manufacturing processes that have been used for decades.
Don’t think it’s debris in the engine. It kills the same bearing on all the engines. It’s a bad batch of bearings or flawed main bearing caps/design.
Same. I don’t think they want to admit it was a bearing issue
Always the exact same bearing fails? It could be debris that is occurring on a specific drill path leading to this bearing. Some drill/CNC/port not getting properly flushed or worse keeping debris in that port/spot. Manufacturing has so many details that can get missed when whipping by MBA coin changers going on.
Yeah, whoever thought it was a good idea to mass manufacture a bearing with tolerances so tight it requires 0w-20 oil???
And engines from two different plants have the same machining debris issues. I call bs
The engines are identical, from different CNC machines in different plants. The flaw is therefore identical across every engine.
Why you have to see a conspiracy in everything, I don't know.
As a QA engineer in automotive industry, I already give my condolences to the poor guy who has to fill out that 8D quality report.
I work for a big manufacturer. When something is designed wrong, they always like to skip over that and say some assembly defect or debris during manufacturing. Trying to sound less incompetent.
When Hyundai/KIA said this everyone called bullshit. But somehow I bet Toyota gets by with it.
Shame when Toyota needs BMW to make a good reliable turbo engine.😂😂😂
But why would that machining debris be there?
Are we sure it's actually machining debris, and not debris caused by overdriving a V6 with turbo, when it was better mileage with the torque requirements with a V8?
The engines were made in the USA instead of Japan. That's probably the reason.
Maybe for now. But wouldn’t it make sense that a smaller engine that’s turbocharged simply won’t last as long as an appropriately sized engine?
As a Ford guy, I totally respect toyota. They're always on the case and listening to people.
Come on Toyota, machining debre, y'all forgot how to use an air wond
Imagine a 70,000 dollar truck grenading on the highway and not one tow hook😂😂😂
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 don’t get all them FAN GIRLS upset😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Yet those Toyota Cultists will whine and complain about every other car. It's amazing how often I'm told how unreliable my Fords are when they give me zero issues. Including a 04 Expedition with 338K. That old girl would start and run like a top every single day with ice cold factory AC, and she looked good while doing it.
I noticed they have no recoveey hooks. And the entire front end is plastic. Toyota is so f*ckin gay, but you soy beards that love them.
If you're going to tow your new truck back to the dealer with the help of your redneck buddy using his pickup truck I guess that might matter? 😂
Comment might make more sense if you were lamenting grenading your truck off-highway...
Now we can say that Toyota is a true American manufacturer, since they unlocked the "build a truck that grenades itself in under 10k miles" achievement.
No because they actually stand behind their product and do recalls
@@clapclapscream Right now they are finding every excuse not to take in a truck that has a grenaded engine. Toyota dropped the ball hard on this both during manufacturing and after sale care.
At least the door didn’t fly off
When they were drive to the supermarket 😂
Traded in a lemon Tacoma... (we called it the Lemona 🍋) for an F150 5.0. This F150 is at 89k with zero issues since new.
That Tacoma proved to me how far Toyota will go to NOT acknowledge a problem. Getting them to stand behind their warranty was an absolute struggle.
Someone once said Toyota is Japanese for "Class Action Lawsuit... so true.
All those rusted out frames Toyota had to replace years ago? Toyota finally stepped up to the plate after multiple class action lawsuits. People act like Toyota cares about them... lol, what a joke. Toyota just moved their Tacoma production to Mexico... yet they are asking even MORE for the truck while the consumer is getting LESS.
Stop acting like the people who think Subaru is all about peace and love ✌🏾... these are companies trying to make the largest profit possible. 😅
@@IKhanNotExactly. 🎯
“Machining debris” you mean, that’s where the 10mm sockets have been going.
😂
It's not machining debrees. It's probably the connecting rod bearing design. They are known to go out faster with turbos. Ford had the same issues when changing the 2.0 to a 2.0 Ecoboost. Ford still has issues with them not making it to warranty. The 1.5's and lower L iter engines all had this issue with Ford and many other issues. The 3.5 from Toyota also has fuel rail and transmission issues they will need to fix. If they ain't careful they will be right up with Ford in recalls amd spending 2 billion a year because they are crap.
Doesn't make sense. They're isn't anything on the block when that work gets done. They get cleaned in different baths. Machining debris is like what you get trying to port a head while its on. I dunno. Doesn't make sense to me.
@paulfeasal6024 This seems no different than alot of customers in numerous markets. Trying to cheap out on the important stuff that probably wouldn't have cost that much more to just do right in the first place. Spend a Billion to save 100k. 😂
@@flipptom I will believe the 10mm socket thing over the machine debris.
The sound of screaming in Japanese must’ve been epic.
Hope the V8 comes back before harakiri does.
Yea ok
It's say 2 replies, yet I see 0. Must been 2 honest
@@rustyshackleford3320 can you translate that to something comprehensible?
Lol
Put that v8 back in it!
The size of the engine and number of cylinders has nothing to do with it. It was Machining debris and it could have happened to any engine.
Same shit with the kia motors. Mine was just replaced at 117k for the same reason! Good motor design but theyre too busy with quantity over quality and hipe most people arent frugal and make them hold thier end of the deal when the rod bearing goes due to oil starvation!@franksmythe6969
@@franksmythe6969 okay. Still, put the V8 back in it
@@Lancer_0010 Why? Do you enjoy getting worse fuel economy with less power? That seems odd.
@@franksmythe6969 I’d rather have my truck spend more time at the pump then in the shop
GM would just shrug their shoulders and stick more plastic on the engine.
?? This is about Toyota not GM ! My Chevy has 200 k and runs great ! Suck on that fanboy for Toyota !
@@cars654You can count Toyota's massive failures on one hand. GM's are innumerable. For every one GM product that makes it to 200k miles, there are a hundred Toyotas that have made it past the 400k mile mark.
My work vehicle is an '04 Tahoe with 310k on the original engine and transmission. It's definitely one of GM's most reliable models... but it's still a giant piece of sh*t, and I'd still much rather have to rely on a Toyota product. Toyotas, overall, are superior to GM vehicles by just about every conceivable metric.
@@HenrikHolmesson Had my groceries delivered by this chick in a yukon. She couldnt leave because her shifter linkage fell apart in my driveway....lol. Go GM
@@acmekanik9135 That's literally the most GM thing I've heard so far this year lol
@@HenrikHolmessonhave 2 friends that have newer Silverados one just had the engine replaced and the other a transmission both only had less than 70k miles and my cousin had a newer Yukon with the same drive train with 60k I told her to get rid of it before it costs her money
Good on Toyota for recalling and fixing it. If Apple built this engine they would find a loophole so it wasn't covered by the warranty and screw you over.
I added a small plastic privacy slider to the camera on my Macbook screen. Adding that 5-cent part resulted in $700 worth of screen damage. (Close the clamshell, and the screen busts). That's not reasonable. Apple won't cover it.
If Disney made this, they would say your 1 week of free Disney plus subscription exempts them from all liability because you clicked on the "I agree" terms.
Toyota sends out free screen protector. Pick any color… black or white.
Toyota is a scam artist just like Apple. Everyone of their vehicles are overpriced and less reliable.
So for those who dont know, blocks are cast in sand and often with styrofoam acting as a part of the mold as well. Once cast they cool down get the sand bits vibrated off and some simple cleaning, then on to machining where the parts like bearings and all the threaded holes are machined in, this leaves tons of chips and some sand from casting. They use to blast cleaning solution through every passage something that took a few min per block to hook up and run through the giant dishwasher. Accountants saw this as a labor intensive step and decided just to toss them in the industrial dishwasher without directly cleaning the oil and coolant passages. This is what cause all those kia engines to blow up. And now toyota of all companies are doing that toxic cheap trait
Sure thing buddy. You love to defend the official narrative
The irony in this situation is quite striking given Toyota's history with the Toyota Production System (TPS). TPS is renowned for its emphasis on quality, continuous improvement, and the elimination of waste. It’s ironic that a company which pioneered such meticulous standards in manufacturing is now facing issues due to cost-cutting measures that directly contradict those principles. The decision to skip a critical cleaning step to save labor costs leading to significant quality failures, is a big departure from the core values that made Toyota a benchmark in the industry.
ITS ALWAYS THE FUCKIN BEAN COUNTERS
@@samwich539they rule the world
@@theworldisastage1984then what is the real narrative if u don’t mind me asking?
So, a company that has been building reliable engines for longer than I have been alive, suddenly forgets how to properly clean a block after the casting process. This is why you NEVER believe the official story.
So true. Head shaking stuff. That machining BS is unbelievable. It’s a basic. What? Making engines in Bangladesh now?
Made in Mexico lol
DEI hires
@@LewisTheFly888I like watching videos of people in places like Pakistan machining stuff on the side of the street with a dirt floor and strategically bent bit of metal to substitute as measuring calipers. Maybe that’s where the engines are getting done now
Toyota engines commonly have a lot of issue when first released. Their engines become reliable over time with more refinement.
As a Toyota tech. It’s way more than 100k. Thats just 22-33 models. 2024 are also coming in blown up
What are you thoughts on it only applying to the non-hybrid models? I'm thinking those would have the same issue they just didn't hit the recall due to not losing all power because of the hybrid motor.
@@03protegeESthe hybrids aren’t included because the electric motor can get you to safety if the engine fails. Recalls are forced because of safety.
22-23 models yes?
Remember.. in the Movie FIGHT CLUB, when he's explaining, Law Suit ratio vs Death or injury, if it's worth doing a official Recall..
Once they have agreed to bite the bullet and declare a Recall is needed.. like the Dude (Technician) said it's a higher number..
Wait, you mean to tell me Toyota knows more about their own product than a TH-camr?
Air chuck on assembly line.....5$
Recall....priceless 😂
I’m saying, what a lazy way to blow up a motor
Same thing that happened to Kia
Would an air chuck move that large of parts out of the way?! Or is that a picture of the parts damaged by "machining debris"
@@WillSwingem KIA was full of crap, we had one that had never missed an oil change, and at 50k miles, it was burning a full quart between oil changes. They also sent us a letter that said the manual had a "misprint" on how often the oil should be changed.. We traded that POS in for a Honda, before the news got out they were all going to blow up.
I work in assembly and you'd be surprised how often we'd have down time or have to remake "finished" production due to either something as simple as a faulty tool on one job (out of over a hundred jobs), or because management is trying to speed up production by bypassing steps & processes. Even after they're repeatedly warned by experienced technicians, they will ignore the inevitable problem, hoping that it occurs on another shift's watch. Then, when it finally fails and we are down for hours, they do whatever it takes to get back running (i.e. not "fixing" the problem, just getting us running again). It's like getting multiple leaks in your roof and you keep putting buckets around to catch the drips instead of fixing the roof.
Moral of the story: double, triple, quadruple check your engines.
happens to the best of 'em
@@Brukner841 Modern day junk. The T-Model ford is still running today.
@@jesusisking8502 it's encumbered by too many requirements and restrictions while having to produce about the same power as 100 of the primitive model T engines.
The more you spend today the more problems you have 15years ago you spent less than half and had. No problems
@ThinkingCrimson or just switch to newer technology and switch to an EV magnetic engine that has no friction and has more torque, and save money on bs fuel prices going up, lol
5.7L for life🎉
Even 4.6! Much better ergonomically.
1GR-FE for life
The size of the engine and number of cylinders has nothing to do with it. It was machining debris, and it could have happened to any engine.
EV for life 🌱 🍃 🌲
Yes
Looks like having an oil change right after or even before you drive your new car right off the lot is not a bad thing.
I wasn’t sure how that Boeing/Toyota partnership was going to go.
imagine being stranded on the side of the road because your new Toyota's engine blew up just for the emergency exit door of a Boeing 737 MAX to come crashing down and hit your car
😂😂 well played!
Your Toyota too will have doors that randomly fall off.
At least Toyota claims this is what’s causing the issue. I’ve read about 2024 models experiencing the same problem so expect this recall will expand. Toyotas quality as of late has been disappointing.
because the workers are tired of being slaves.
Covid ruined them
You need to buy their models built in Japan. American built quality vehicles are bad no matter the brand. Japan is stricter with quality control.
@@AJ-ox9xj Yeah, american "quality" is truly legendary by now.
They better get it right again or people will be dropping them altogether like hot potatoes!
I’ve been an automotive technician for over 21 years. I work for a luxury European brand. A few years ago we started having machining debris issues, causing engine damage. In fact we still are dealing with it, though now it’s causing cooling system issues. I have it on very good authority, that other manufacturers have been dealing with this issue as well. In fact this is the first I’ve heard of the issue with Toyota and before you even stated what it was I was thinking to myself “machining debris.” I’ve heard the reason this all started and why it’s affecting multiple brands is because of new environmental rules/laws that pushed auto makers to conserve water and reduce harsh chemical usage. This resulted in reduced and or less effective cleaning after the machining processes. Don’t get me wrong, the new law is a noble goal, but until this issue gets sorted, I’m quite positive that all the failing engines, clogged cooling systems, and other unintended consequences are likely doing far more harm to the environment then the old way was. Assuming they can get this cleaning/flushing debris removal issue solved while still conserving water and reducing chemicals, then that’s good. I hope they can do that, but if my brand is any indicator, I ain’t gonna hold my breath.
Another perfect example of right idea, wrong result.
Pencil pushers vs. Wrenchers.
What? Unintended consequences for a decision that is supposed to be a feel good, yet superfluous act? That's never happened before. well, I'm just shocked!
Manufacturers should just ignore them and do what works
This is a direct result of government interference, forcing manufacturers to rush into new designs and technology before they are ready!! We all just sit back and let the government tell us what to purchase with our hard earned money!! Since when was this ever a good idea! Too much government....butt out!! Cheers from Canada 🇨🇦
Remember when Toyota moved the engine manufactururing fir the Corolla to the US during the mid 2000's and wound up with unreliable engines due to a lack of precision with the ports, they addressed the priblem by enlarging the ports. Seems that whenever they have engine manufacturing outside of Japan, they have to redesign their engine to be more tolerant of poor quality in the manufacturing. I guess simple training the workers from countries outside of Japan isn't enough to convince the workers that quality matters.
That excuse by Toyota is the biggest bullshit I’ve ever heard. It’s a poor design. And the story.
Yep
I think you mean end of story lol
Making a V6 do the work of a V8 what I mean making same route and HP as a V8 alot of stress on the V6 that's why they failing it high RPM making that kinda power from a V6 comes at a cost in the long run
@@slabbusterrtr7690Literally the basics of turboing any car. Unfortunately its a 360 win for manufactures and government. Car gets better emissions, better performance and dies quicker so they can get you paying that car note more.
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This is a great video to send my X in answer to her suggestion “Why don’t you just go buy a new vehicle instead of fixing your old cars?” New cars have their own problems which prevent them becoming old cars!
Cheaper too
You sound like an enthusiast. Is enthusiasts buy new if we have the money
Why buy new when you can install an Edison Motors HEV pickup upgrade kit--AWD, of course!--into a 1972 Ford F100 with a solid body but a worn-out drivetrain and have something beautiful that can pull anything.
Couldn’t of said it better. My 2006 4Runner has the 4.7 and 340,000 miles and runs like new.
That’s the dumbest reason ever
This reminds me of a problem Isuzu had with the mid 1980s Trooper II. Cylinder heads were failing because machining debris was blocking oil channels.
yep, at that time the coolant systems for the machining where not even close to what we have now, this story about debirs is total BS, is a design problem in combination with going cheap on the sand molds.
@@fkoffytbI agree 200%, the machining is exactly what they said about the early Kia/Hyundai engine replacements which was finally told wasn't true
Interesting. I just got a notice that my Tacoma for work has a recall for machining debris possibly left in the axel
Didn’t have this problem with the old 5.7. Time to get back to basics.
4.6 all day
Japan didn't have this V-6 issues until made in USA
there is alot everything else that old rust bucket didnt have XD
The engine is fine. Whoever was in charge of machining screwed up BAD.
That 5.7 was recalled quite a bit when it was new too. Folks got real short memories.
Sure am glad I kept both of my 5.7 V8 Tundras.
my dads is rusting the fk out. well the engine looks great the frame and stuff all rusted out 2008.
@@doomslayerforever28582008😂 bro it's made of steel and iron not vibranium.
Yeah, 2013 is the newest I would ever go. My 07’ 5.7 scsb is holding up very well, rust is creeping up on it but it’s at a preventative level still.
@@Dmx284 And my 02 mustang and 92 talon have next to no rust. So 08 shouldn't have much either.
@@aktionp20 could be you guys maintained and took care of it well.
Kia and Hyundai said the same thing about their 2.4 liter engines that were coming in with the #3 rod sticking out the side of them. It eventually ended up as a recall and that was their official story was “machining debris” which had wiped out that particular bearing. Nobody at the dealers that had taken one of those engines apart believed that.
Don’t spread misinformation. Early on, we had to disassemble and inspect for a cause before the recall was launched. Definitely debris from the U.S. manufacturing facility that did not properly flush the block and oil galleries.
Kia and Hyundai are replacing the entire engines...not rebuilding them.
@@lrich8181 Correct. Only very early on did the district service reps require a teardown. Initially it was a short block and balancer assembly replacement, but it just became a long block replacement later.
@@lrich8181 That's because no one can rebuild those engines, they're trash. go and ask an engine builder if they will rebuild a kia/hyundai engine - if they say yes it's because they have no work, but they know the rebuild will fail.
We still get a ton of K5s with blown engines too. If the problem was debris why isn't it fixed?
I call bs on blaming debris instead of a bad design of the block itself.
Whether it's debris or not it's still bad design. Design goes beyond just the physical product that's made, but also the processes and procedures used to make them. If their process created debris that was still in the engine after it was complete, that's poor design.
The reason why there is machine debris is because toyota started to use less water and less solvents to clean the engines before assembly. It was more green, lol.
The Toyota reliability huh? Don’t get me wrong because historically yes… but the fan boys are insufferable.
If a bmw ain’t leaking, it’s bc it doesn’t have oil
Titan sounds like a far better bet.
4.6 and 5.7 weren’t without issues early in their life-cycle either. Chill out
@@mten1454 You tell him to chill out, but you are agreeing with him that these engines aren't reliable. Make it make sense.
@@VroodenTheGreat I never said they were or weren’t great, you’re putting words in my mouth. Tf? Your response makes no sense.
We’re obsessed with shitting on this engine and lauding the 4.6 and 5.7 when in reality they also had issues early on. Make that make sense.
I think cars should have chip detectors in the engine and transmission just like aircraft do. It’s essentially a small gap of two magnets, if any metallic particles are loose in the oil the particles attach and bridge the gap of the detector and illuminate a light telling you there is metal in your oil.
Damn that's really fucking useful
Yeh it's called oil pressure gauge.
@@cjin0101 yea..if your pressure gauge is reacting to metal in the oil that’s way beyond fixing. Chip detectors pick up extremely fine dust sized particles so you shut down the engine before any lasting damage could take effect.
Nice work Toyota ,pulled that right out of the Hyundai playbook. 😅
Fortunately they’ve caught it at 100k potentially affected vehicles… Instead of burying their heads in the sand until it was over a million like Hyundai/Kia.
@@Jonathan_Doe_ You're forgetting that those vehicles made by Hyundai/Kia had this issue, but the machinging debris was much smaller than in Toyotas, which is why the Hyundai/Kia engines were blowing up much much later in life, after many vehicles had already been produced.
TL;DR: Toyota is addressing it now because the engine failures are happening now. Hyundai/Kia addressed it late because the engine failures started happening late.
@dominicg2456 people don't seem to understand how recalls work, and don't understand engines for mass produced cars are not hand built so things will be missed. Which is different from a design flaw
I had a Hyundai that came out of the Alabama plant by Montgomery when they had those Honduran kids working and the engines from that plant had metal shavings in the engine clogging oil lines and the engine blew because of it and they were supposed to replace the engine but fought me about it
A Toyota engineer chimed in and said that blocks come in with different measurements so they have main bearings with different tolerances to make it be within a certain spec and assemble them that way but the correct ones aren’t being used every time so it leads to major failure within 40k miles if you’re lucky to make it that far
The worst part is their warranty strategies on this.. Your mechanic need to strip the engine down to remove and send the problematic part. idk about most people but i don't want my under 20k engine to be rebuilt, without mentioning the skill of your mechanic will greatly influence the reability of your new truck for years now
Not only that, but imagine the time it is going to take for the labor. And if with the number of vehicles affected, imagine the wait time on parts. On top of the backlog of other vehicles that are ahead of you for the same exact issue. You could be waiting MONTHS.
@@tonycj7860probably around 3 days per vehicle it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to clean an oil pan and replace the main seals it’s getting into it which makes it hard
@@skiterzzz4474 Right. But are the parts on hand?
Or is there a wait on them?
Are you the 1st in line? Or how many other vehicles ahead of you?
Most Tundra's old or new you have to remove the cab to remove the engine. Of course its not a problem with older Tundra's as their engines were pretty much bullet proof. But they have a serious problem with the turbo engines. Some Toyota dealer mechanics are quitting because of the increased work load repairing these defective engines. They will not have a problem finding a new job, good mechanics are in short supply !
For warranty work, you can imagine that the dealership will give that to the lowest ranking mechanic to work on.
That's why being ultra brand-loyal is futile.
Toyota does indeed build good vehicles, but all of the sudden they have the worst full size truck on the market.
My Silverados never blew up, and now I own a Subaru. Brand loyalty will blind you to a vehicle's issues.
They build mediocre vehicles and haven't built anything amazing in a decade. Toyota drivers don't like to drive so the vehicles aren't driven hard hence why a lot of the perception is that they are reliable still.
Or… just don’t buy them brand new, wait a few years and let the kinks work out. Buy one partially used w low miles a few years after they come out, get basically a brand new truck for half the price and know it’s not a time bomb.
@@cwx8we don’t like to drive?? lol. Son I put 40 miles on my tundra a day. Some days I drive triple that. The real issue is people buy them that can’t afford to go anywhere while they make payments, and payments for aftermarket parts…too many people live beyond their income bracket. People don’t buy Toyota trucks to let them sit. They aren’t super cars and they aren’t track cars, we buy them to work and have fun.
@@bvictory5698 I mean drive. Not causally get from point a to point b. Toyota's don't exactly get stressed.
They had 4 million vehicles recalled last year. They're on par with nissan now
Ahh machining debris. My Tacoma has a recall for, “welding slag” that can cause axle separation and apparently an airbag clock-spring issue as well. I also discovered the bed is shifted like 1/2” to one side of the cab. Didn’t notice until I saw my RTT wasn’t centered despite knowing I centered the fuck out of it. Also mag props to Tinkerers Adventure, from one engineer (electrical tho) to another that guy is legit.
I love this. Now if every V6 truck engine could just start grenading itself we could all go back to those sweet V8s. Other manufacturers, take notes!
Debris in the engine makes no sense since the affected engines are produced in Japan and the US (Alabama). The bearing assembly in question is made by the same manufacturer and sold to both of the assembly plants. The question is whether it’s a bad batch or a bad design.
Not in hybrid models so could be just a bad batch
I have heard that the blocks are made in the same place, basically it was a machining debries that didnt get cleaned.
Bad design
@@hermanpeters549 Are you suggesting they hybrid models don't have the same engine in them?
@@VroodenTheGreat the recall says that those hybrid models have different pressure on the bearings for some reason, and also have electric power in case of a engine stall/stop.
Metal filings on oil means the engine is junked and needs to be replaced.
All of it, long block, turbos, etc, any port oil flows...
Or we can just not drive combustion cars for much longer. Too many moving parts and too much maintenance.
@@justinstewart3248 That will never happen. Oil runs the planet
@@justinstewart3248please go drive the battery cars and leave us alone
@@justinstewart3248😂😂 🫵🏼🤡
I have the Sequoia with the iForce 5.7 V8. I talked to a guy who had traded his in almost a year ago, for the new model with the V6tt. He said it is great for reducing gasoline expense in low speed and low weight situations; however towing his dump trailer, camper, or boat take more fuel than the V8 did. He said highway speeds (65ish) gave about the same mileage as the V8. He wanted his old one back. 😂
I have a 1998 Toyota Tacoma pre-Runner with 365,000 miles but I just bought a brand new 2024 Nissan Titan Pro 4XXD and I love it. Toyotas have too many problems nowadays.
More evidence is pointing to it being a bad main bearing design. The machining debris reason is a smoke screen for the design not being good.
Same debris problem that Hyundai had with their U.S. produced engines.
@@Chris-te7uk I’m a mechanical engineer and been for 52 years. My emphasis was internal combustion engines. I’ve tested the on engine dynos and conducted research on them. Though other manufacturers specify 0W-20 oil, they haven’t seen anywhere near as much bearing failure that these 3.4L TT Toyota engines have seen.
@@Chris-te7uk The U.S. produced blocks in were not getting flushed properly after machining. We received a technical service bulletin for the inspection process, reasons why, and photos of what debris to look for.
"It's not for the reason that you think"... I have put zero thought into this and have no thoughts on the matter.
We are united 😂
Ford and GM would blame the customers and hold off any recalls until the Federal Government gets involved.
Toyota did that too
Toyota meat rider ignoring what Toyota has done.
Toyota limited it to under 100k knowing they'll extend that to early to late made 23s as well.
Toyota held back to make it seem less of a problem than it really is
Have you bought a toyota recently, when you make any warranty claim, they retake days to approve it, and act like it's never happened, worst ever.😂
Cope harder.
Good for the recall, bad for only providing a short block and making the dealerships tear the whole truck apart. Not exactly a controlled and repeatable process. I guess the paperwork says, your mileage may vary....as well as the reliability.
You'd probably be amazed at how little the tech will get paid to replace the short block. If anything goes wrong shortly after he'll fix it for no pay. The world of flat rate.
@@bobbamford5207 yeah, I'd like to know the hours and rate Toyota thinks is fair. Dealerships and customers should demand better.
@@treborheminway3814 I worked for Toyota as a Tech then an MDT. Took all schools. Never saw a video or any thing relating to establishing flat rate times. A woman pulls the times out of thin air. Knowing the Techs can either like it or lump it. It's called taking one for the team when you get screwed out of your pay. If you don't like that soon you're down the road and they hire in another sucker to take one for the team.Get It?
My problem with a short block is that if it blows again does the manufacturer or the dealership take the hit and fix it, i see potential for finger pointing. Plus given the size of the recall Toyota should set up a separate engine line and do remanufactured long blocks so it's plug and play at the dealership.
Oh goody, another Hyundai/Kia saga. Except that Toyota is actively trying to make it right.
The funny thing is. Metal shavings from machining was Kia’s exact same excuse when they found out about their engines
@@flaco2746that’s a great point
@@flaco2746 but in reality, something's wrong with the metallurgy.
Excuse me but these issues have been happening since 2018, ever since this 3.4 turbo V6 engine debuted in the LS500. Multiple threads in the Lexus forums with failure going back to 2018, and in some cases with 2 or 3 engine replacements! Toyota kept ignoring it on purpose to buy time and to see with just how much they could get away with. If it weren't for the NHTSA opening an investigation, Toyota wouldn't have done a "voluntary" recall. Every giant car manufacturer is evil, greed is their motto, whether it be GM, Ford, Hyundai, Stellantis, Toyota, or Honda. Support the smaller manufacturers.
I guess we'll see how right they actually get. Sad that all our cars Toyota, Honda, Ford and so on are all turning out to be high priced junk.
A symptom of an overall decline in QA Inspections, Employee Working/Living Standards, and the work ethic/attitude of working class people everywhere.
Glad to see the Fortune 500s aren't immune, hopefully standards are raised for both Employee Compensation and Quality Control.
So, the guys who do an oil change after buying a new car, then another at a few hundred miles, then another at a thousand kinda have the right idea.
A few dozen miles, do you mean? :/
Bro what I've been a mechanic for 15 years I've never had that happen I've seen old people that put 28 miles on it in a year want an oil change but not what your talking about
@@zakpike4582 The guy believed there was metal in the engine and so the first few hundred to a thousand miles he changed it a bunch of times. After that just changed at normal intervals.
@@zugzug6773 bro you don't have to lie to kickit
@@zakpike4582 Since that makes no sense, I can only assume your high.
"Lets build them in Mexico, we'll save a fortune!! Ahh, Mr George, we have a massive recall"...
i believe they make these engines in WV
Doesn't matter where it is built these days - it matters what the current corporate culture is on quality/durability & sadly neither Toyota or Honda are the same companies that they used to be in that regard. My new 2020 Japan-built Toyota was the worst vehicle that I have owned in 40+ years & 11 different new Toyota, Honda & Acura vehicles during that time. Purchased my first Mazda in 2022 (built in Mexico, CX-30 CE) & no problems or defects to report going on 2.5 years owned/driven now.
@@dystopia-usaagreed. The machines are mostly doing the building.
I thing a big problem is that companies engineer things to break after a sufficient amount of time so you can buy a new one instead of using technological advancement to build something that lasts
😂 because being built in the 🇺🇸 by the lowest bidder are the best 👍
@@dystopia-usait absolutely matters where it's built. These are built in the US. US has always had lesser build quality. Why I wouldn't but a new Honda or Toyota product unless it came from Japan.
I was ready to buy a full-size Toyota pick up with a V-8 right when they did away with the V-8. I have no interest in a V6 TwinTurbo from any manufacturer. The used V-8 Toyota trucks are impossible to find because now everyone wants one.
Cummins swap
@@Madddog87 I had a Duramax/Allison GMC And decided I really didn’t need a diesel, so I didn’t keep it very long. Luckily I never had the wimpy pin in the crankshaft fail. I have to run with a gas powered V-8 is what suits me best.
They are not impossible to find. I can see a dozen of them on Autotrader. What is harder to find is one that isn't black, white or grey. I just bought a red 2020 Tundra last month.
@@damondiehl5637 Anything but red for me. 😂 Thanks for responding to my comment. If I get serious I imagine I can find one but I am an old codger at this point so I’ll be looking for something that’s fairly local. The way I understand it these manufacturers with all the models they produce have to achieve the highest miles per gallon average through the whole line, so of course they’re gonna cut the V-8’s every chance they get.
get a ford f150 with the 5.0 coyote v8 if you can't find any old tundras.
The reason their new engine sucks is because it's not the goddamn demi-god engine, the 1GR-FE 4.0L V6
It is impossible to break a peak Toyota engine like one of those
Trust NO ONE, question EVERYTHING.
I don't trust you on that....
Why?
@@GC-nd1lp you just proved my point, thanks. 👍
@@ricequackers why not ? 🤔
Who's going to investigate the investigators?
Don’t worry those 100,000 engines that they rebuilt at the dealer will be every bit as good as built at the factory…
I would never let a dealer rebuild my engine
They can't even do basic mantainance properly
Not even remotely possible, lol. Great joke!
as a Toyota tech, lol. Toyota is trying to figure out the cheapest way to do the recall right now rather than what should be a complete long block engine replacement for everything the metal contaminated oil touches. I bet the procedure boils down to replacing a bearing on most engines, an oil flush with a few filter changes and an announcement on a 'warranty enhancement' of the engine that extends it for another 100k should the condition present itself.
honestly they should be or there's no point tearing them down. don't bother rebuilding it if you're not the make you make it good as new!
@@Nobody_important_at_all cams are destroyed too probably. Don't know much about turbo but probably that too.
But will Toyota get lambasted across all of media for their failure and subsequent recall… no they will not, all of media is duty bound to criticize only Tesla (because they don’t spend advertising dollars on any network)
V8 is greatest motor ever built in human history
I believe the block is twisting under load in the heavier vehicles causing the crank to do sum shifting in the main caps
Yes 5448 aluminum engine blocks do warp a bit under heat and stress race cars have aluminum blocks but In the boring pedestrian world cast iron engine blocks are more practical
Where, at what company was the failure? Toyota or a sub contractor?
Probably the block cleaning machine didn't get everything, but they somehow shipped anyway. Somebody is going to be cleaning floors from now on.
Why can’t we ALL agree that cars/trucks/vans etc aren’t built to last 🤣🤣🤣 every car manufacturer sucks and will continue to suck because F$&k the consumer that’s why 😎
Machining debris wouldn't exclusively damage the main bearing. Also I find it hard to believe both Japan and US factories making the engines would miss machining debris, especially Japan, for a hundred thousand engines.
It would if the debris clogged the oil lines. Happened to Hyundai/Kia in their 2.4 NA and 2.0T engines.
These problems are all exclusive to the American made tundras, the Japanese ones are completely safe and I believe don’t have any recalls except for the fuel line
Toyota is very good about replicating their process at every plant, so if the procedures are wrong, they'll be wrong everywhere.
What plants were the recalled engines made in?
The turbo V6 isn't produced in Japan, it's built in the Americas, not Asia.
That engine, from what I understand, is made in the USA and in Japan. Both countries manufacturers are making the engines incorrectly? I don't know about that.
the blocks are made in the same place said some comments .
@@Walterrinhoyes, then they ship those blocks to the two factories, including a little white package containing "debris" and instructions on exactly where to put it. 🙄
CNC machinery, same programing gets you same results. That’s the whole point of cnc, good and/or bad!
@@MrSleepProductionsIncYou're not wrong but if anything in the chain isn't up to spec it pays off to have experienced and trained staff. They can catch a lot of these things before it's a mass problem within the product line..
@@Santor- hahahaha
What is the remedy? New engine?
New short block only, not the entire engine.
Yup, and that’s total 🐂 💩!
@@oliverheaviside2539oh great. Thats not right...these truck owners deserve a new engine, top to bottom. Metal filings get everywhere, and omce it chews the bearings, even worse.
@@1gbayfisher You are correct, and taking the entire front body of the truck apart and then disassemble the whole engine to swap the short block is a technician’s nightmare, takes a month or longer, and something inevitably will not be done right. And the recall is for 96,500 trucks!
I know several guys who have been in the hot seat trying to get a million dollar engine block cleaning machine to work right (I live in Michigan). The struggle is real. More of a problem with heavy duty trucks honestly though.
My 2011 Tundra and 2015 Sequoia have the 5.7L. I test drove one of the new ones to see what I was missing. I know it supposed to have more power on paper, but it felt much more sluggish than either of my older vehicles.
That's hard to believe that Toyota would have metal debris in motor from machining motor!!
Sounds like a cover story to me to down play another issue.
It's most likely something else than machining debris!!! Toyotas been building reliable motors for decades and decades!! So why now is debris has been left in engine and assembled ???@
all manufacturers know they're products are shit. the game is keeping you paying for it till you get another brand new pos to pay for.
The wisest comment I’ve come across on this vid. Essentially this is the circus most consumers are in with these Auto manufacturers. Statistics show dealerships are going belly up because customers starting to realize buy and holding a reliable product is the most cost efficient way to go. No more trade ins, no more leasing & financing is done.
@@icecoldac3 yeah. What a shit situation were all in here
If you need a V6 turbo, then you really need a V8.
They are putting a 4-cylinder hybrid in Camry nowadays. They lost their way.
Not only do you get an overpriced POS but you also get the honor of spending the day with one of the bottom 3 life forms on the planet, a car salesman. Maybe someday car companies will wise up and make good vehicles we can all go to Costco and be in and out withing 5 minutes.
You can buy a car at costco
@@rx7241 You cannot buy a car AT Costco. Costco provides a slight discount, but you still have to go to a car dealership and hassle with a car salesman (the lowest lifeform on earth) about trade ins, finance if needed, upcharges and extended warranties, the special pinstripe and paint protection they got like $5 in and try to sell it for $1000.
I just can't believe with all the testing they did before launching this truck ,they didn't run in to any of these issues and there are a lot of issue not just engine
They tested with model engines and not with assembly engines.
I had a 2020 RAV4 and it was the biggest pile of trash I’ve ever driven. No uncomfortable, noisy, clunky, and just overall unimpressive. Nothing but issues one after another. Traded it for my 23 Frontier and haven’t been happier. The perfect truck to me in many ways.
It's a 23 model. Give it more than just one year 😂
So why did you buy it??? All of that is what you find out test driving it.
If you really found a Ford to be better than I don't think the car is the problem
Machining debris doesn't wait 3000 miles.
It could very easily last that long, as it's slowly ground down to the point that it can find its way between the bearing and crank journals.
Tell you are not an engineer without telling me.
That’s why I’ll just keep my 2003 v8 tundra
2003 look ugly
@@mmm-rd4yr They look beautiful when they're driving past a broken down vehicle on the side of the road.
Everyone saying go back to the 5.7 V8 lol yes it’s good and bulletproof but thanks to Biden the emission standards are strict as hell forcing all manufacturers to go hybrid, full EV, or downsizing motors
The move to less emissions has been going on since the 60s , it has made a very positive impact on our environment, and it will continue as in 2030 our fuel changes and in 2035 you will not be able to buy new ice vehicles , Biden has had very little to do with emission laws . My solution is to adapt my current trucks to flex fuels
FJB
@@carlstephens1532 😂 you got that Government kool aid all over face 😂
Hopefully upcoming decisions from SCOTUS will allow a lot of these EPA rules to get push back.
@@benredacted8468 hardly , it shows you don't understand the issue
Honestly, modern-day cars aren't really great anymore. Well, it happens mostly in new cars and probably the cost cutting of the one in charge or managing to save money.
At least Toyota listens to feedback
Not anymore .. their dealers are more crooks than Toyota itself. If you bring your car for an issue, they will say "its totally normal," to get you going until the warranty runs out !!
My brother Rav4 had a battery draining issue due to their faulty DCM software that was not cutting off the power after turning it off the engine. He took it 1st time last year .. it was normal for them while under the warranty.. Last month, when he ran out from the warranty ... with degraded battery .They said they have to upgrade dcm software and quoted him for $280 for ten minutes of work.
They dont, they listen to bad media coverage. Thats why this wasnt adressed until it got traction on the internet even though the trucks have been blowing themselves up for a year already.
Did they when their cars were accelerating uncontrollably, or did they blame the Victims of their poor engineering??
Are you saying V6 is coming back to Camry?
I don't think so.
@@RolandAdams-h4m I came here JUST to say this… better yet, an AWD V6… I’d go back into debt to get one, LOL!
At least they admitted fault and recalled the vehicles, I hope the dealerships will fix customers vehicles under the warranty
They are lying.
V6 engines are made in Japan and outside Japan.
Can seperate maching by different machines in different countries leave debri ?
U mean no QC ?
U mean nobody assembling engine saw the debri ?
Toyota reliability is gone thanks to the EPAs bs regulations on how vehicle size effects MPG. It's ridiculous. All these companies could have just stuck with their old reliable engines and not had to change a thing if it weren't for the EPA. You can thank them for vehicles losing reliability. These automotive manufacturers literally have to engineer a whole new engine every four years to meet the EPAs demands.
350k miles on my V8 Tundra with nothing besides oil changes, tires and brakes.
toyota 🥹
Major screw up here; this hurts the toyota brand of reliability…
You don't say?
The Lexus engines made in Japan are failing too as well as the 2024 models. Nice try Toyota for thinking all of us are stupid. Fix the motor by redesigning it. I’m done till you do. Fire the CEO while you’re at it.
Toyota being toyota, theyll have it ironed out in the very next generation. I used to work in 2 different of their factories.
Doubt this is the actual problem since the Lexus with this same engine 5 years ago has the same issues. Too much power for such a small engine is more like it. I’m so glad I bought a used 2020 5.7 V8.
Nah, the engine is great. Wait and see when they correct this problem.
@@stevieray1828 naw I’ll pass.
@@stevieray1828🍿🥷
lol I see so many for 3.5 eco boost with 200k-300k miles and doing fine nothing to do with size
Love how the media barely covers actual recalls from major OEMs, but Tesla releases a software update and they lose their minds. lol
It’s not Tesla they hate, it’s Elon for what he does in his personal life and “X” 😂
@@chasingred8351 No, they hate him and his companies.
Who cares about X, he is a censorship machine too, just different perameter, scumbag is a con man.
Once Toyota replaced the Tacoma's 3.4L 5VZ-FE Engine that had a Cast Iron Block with these new Aluminum 3.5L engines, I was done. My old truck was literally bulletproof and never had an issue even after 3 hurricanes. Now Toyota and their infinite wisdom put a V6 in the Tundra and is no longer making the V8. Now I am completely done.
I literally just got done watching a Davesautocenter video about making sure your engines are clean😂
The failure has been reported in engines made in Japan and in the USA. That means it's a procedural error during engine assembly that has been followed by engine assembly workers in both countries and is not quality related. Toyota has identified the problem and corrected it in their assembly lines. They have recognized the problem rather than try to conceal it and are recalling those vehicles that might suffer from it. Sounds like responsible corporate behavior to me.
Jeep calls that a feature on the 3.8l penstar motor 😅
Toyota: Defect causing actual physical recall
Media: No coverage whatsoever.
Tesla: Recall in form of 10 minute software update via wifi
Media: Massive amounts of Elon/ Tesla hit pieces
Elon is a threat to the blue party.
Elon is a conman pos but you're right about the rest 👌
Machining debris wouldn’t make sense if you look at the oil path, just saying..
A small engine with too much boost causes this problem.
Bearings are too small. Not enough surface area and the oil can't handle it.
Just ask Ford Ecotech designers... "Hurr durr, just put a turbo on it" 🤪🤤
Do you think the Ford 2.3 with turbos are safe?
I dont buy the debris, its just too much power for the size and number bearings, 2 less than a v8 and probably smaller
And peak torque at low rpm is very hard on a motor because there are far fewer cycles to spread that work out.
We need to make Toyota great again!