It can be FREEZING COLD in the cab of a STEAM ENGINE? How did they stay warm?

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  • It is not a commonly known thing that it can be cold next to a boiler! Without these few treatments, it can be extremely cold in the cab. Thanks to the ICC, crews got to stay warm in the day.
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  • @gabrielbennett5162
    @gabrielbennett5162 ปีที่แล้ว +345

    The former engineer of the SP steam wrecker I used to work on told me he used to drape a heavy canvas curtain around the cab in winter to keep the boiler heat in and drafts out. One time in the mid-1960s, circa 1965-66, after clearing a wreck near Black Butte in northern California, where the old Siskiyou Line connects with the Natron Cutoff, they were waiting in the hole for backed-up traffic to clear before returning to Klamath Falls, OR . There was heavy snow on the ground. A big lumber train came through and one of the steel bands that held the stacked lumber together had broken on one of the cars and he could hear the tell-tale buzzing as it got closer. He told me those bands could be surprisingly dangerous when they broke and could cut you like a knife if you were in the way. Anyway, it slapped along the side of the work train, cracked a window in the diner and tool car and just as he jumped to the other side of the wrecker's cab, it swung through where he had been standing, snagged the curtain and tore it clean off, carrying it away down the line. Chuck said it was a very chilly ride back to K-Falls. "Colder than hell!" as he put it.

    • @ohboy2592
      @ohboy2592 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      As a new conductor, we had one of those bands hit the front of our locomotive waiting for this train to clear the main. I walked out and saw that it caused a 1/4 inch cut in the handrail. And that was when the engineer told me that’s why you never stand on the nose as a train is passing.

    • @aaronfield7899
      @aaronfield7899 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      How can hell be cold?

    • @kiereluurs1243
      @kiereluurs1243 ปีที่แล้ว

      Steam wrecker?

    • @maxsdad538
      @maxsdad538 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      A bit before my time (I'm ONLY 69, damn it!), but I used to live in Yreka, and can remember how much colder (and how much more snow) there was around Black Butte.

    • @yourface3154
      @yourface3154 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@aaronfield7899 Figure of speech? Duhhh.

  • @rjohnson1690
    @rjohnson1690 ปีที่แล้ว +425

    Some things never change. During the winter months conductors and switchman are always climbing into the cab dripping sweat while the hogger has the heater cranked.

    • @Houndini
      @Houndini ปีที่แล้ว +47

      Take it from 37 year retired Diesel Field Mechanic. Once you sweat & get your clothes any damp at all in wind blowing 32 or below. You are screwed. Forecast for a very cold day. I used to use from my neck to feet, baby powder help keep me dry, then put my clothes on. Then pace myself. Once you sweat you be frozen all day long.

    • @henrik1743
      @henrik1743 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      @@Houndini bro I HATE that I get cold sweats on my feet in the winter.. I am gonna use baby powder on my feet now lmfao

    • @rjohnson1690
      @rjohnson1690 ปีที่แล้ว +24

      @@Houndini I always wear wool when I have to do any activity in the cold. Wool keeps you warm even when it’s wet, and it breathes really well.

    • @Houndini
      @Houndini ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@henrik1743
      I used Hand Warmers in my boots before, A lot of times I would have to take them out over getting too hot. My best advice is buy a real good quality pair of boots yearly waiting on the 1st cold day to wear. & read instructions to take very good care of them.

    • @Houndini
      @Houndini ปีที่แล้ว +12

      @@rjohnson1690
      True I did to when I could. Back in early 80's I bought a pair of real good fancy insulated coveralls that was a lot of money back in them days for 1 pair, over hundred dollars. This boy wasn't going get cold that winter like last. My 1st day wearing them We jumping a dozer with a DC Lincoln pipeliner welder. Boy was helping me I turn around saw him hooking ground clamp to batteries about time I yelled NO. That DC welder cranked right up on its own. Both batteries blowed up on us. Boom. Really hurt that boy lucky he didn't loose his eye site. Myself got covered head to toe in Battery acid. after completely watering myself down & all, after like 2 1/2 hours it eat every stitch of clothes I had on off even my underwear. I had mechanic grease towels wrapped around myself.. I looked like a blame native Indian. Runied my boots & all. I going home I was scared police pull me over think I some type of a sick crazy manic. I park my pick-up next to my back door to run into my house. True story. Poor boy didn't loose he eye site thank God. I been in some messes. Lost a lot of good friends in all them years too.

  • @Mr._Delaware_and_Hudson
    @Mr._Delaware_and_Hudson ปีที่แล้ว +237

    It honestly amazes me how much a pair of curtains can help with a crews comfort. Also, great video, gives a lot of insight on what it is like to operate in the winter.

    • @jeffharper7579
      @jeffharper7579 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      If you can get a chance to look at say a home depot or a Lowes some have a plastic curtain at the overhead door, it's a bunch of 4-6" plastic strips that overlap each other and does keep the cold out and warm in for the most part.

    • @leon419
      @leon419 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@jeffharper7579 When you remember the term "Heat rises", its just common sense to ensure the upper parts of the cabin are insulated against extreme cold, especially north of the 49th parallel.

    • @jeffharper7579
      @jeffharper7579 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I also remember that some old farm tractors we would cover the engine with a tarp and along the side to the fenders a small windshield on tractors without cab the heat from the engine heat blew back on us to help keep us somewhat warm.

    • @danieltaylor4819
      @danieltaylor4819 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@jeffharper7579 Yup, heat housers.

    • @jeffharper7579
      @jeffharper7579 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Most people ( young farmers) probably wouldn't know them by that name but thanks you know exactly what I'm talking about.👍👍

  • @adamcordell
    @adamcordell ปีที่แล้ว +120

    The cold is never too terrible, but being in the cab of a steam engine, in the Texas sun with no hint a breeze and high humidity, lemme tell yah🥵

    • @1TruNub
      @1TruNub ปีที่แล้ว +11

      In that case you're damn if you do it in damn if you don't I know exactly what you mean

    • @Hyce777
      @Hyce777  ปีที่แล้ว +36

      That definitely does suck... been there, done that, got the heat stroke.

    • @mikado1555
      @mikado1555 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Done both (windy 5 degree day, humid 103 F day with being around 155 in the cab on a handbomber). Not sure which I would choose...

    • @michaeltristan
      @michaeltristan ปีที่แล้ว +6

      You really painted a picture there.. for a brief moment I could almost feel that heat.

    • @manny5253
      @manny5253 ปีที่แล้ว

      I would never argue about that however working on cell phone towers 300 feet in the air in our Chicago cold times also with high humidity and your bibs got wet, let me tell you in this case lol😅

  • @uncinarynin
    @uncinarynin ปีที่แล้ว +106

    The first steam locomotives had a completely open driver's stand. Later as locomotives went faster, a wall was added with some windows so the crew could look out to the front without getting cold wind in their face. There was also a rudimentary roof against the rain. Early locomotive crews got sick working outside in all weather so despite reservations that they wouldn't notice everything going on outside when working in a closed cab, they got a cab (which was still open to the rear to give access to the tender). Rear walls came last and not in all countries, primarily on locomotives that could go in both directions. In some cases such as German class 50 those rear walls were on the tender, in other cases a flexible connection was made to prevent too much cold air, rain and snow getting into the cab when going backwards.
    Near where I live the steam locomotive 671 of 1860 is preserved, originally it had an open driving stand and a cab was added later. You can see 1980s films about it here
    th-cam.com/video/ElzDWCxRMCI/w-d-xo.html

  • @rondaxen88
    @rondaxen88 ปีที่แล้ว +79

    I was actually wondering if the firebox was enough to keep the cab warm enough in the winter....this video was perfect for answering any questions I had! Thank you.

    • @scotcoon1186
      @scotcoon1186 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      When the wind blows through, there's not much you can do.
      Just blocking the wind goes a long way.
      You learn that early, farming with no cabbed tractors.

    • @lutomson3496
      @lutomson3496 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes our farmall M had winter canvass for the engine and you..this video insults the intelligence of us..

    • @ShadowDragon8685
      @ShadowDragon8685 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@lutomson3496 How does this video insult our intelligence? I, too, assumed that it would get quite hot in a steam locomotive's cab, and not require an actual heater. This video is an explanation from an SME about how that is not the case.

  • @patrickcronin6829
    @patrickcronin6829 ปีที่แล้ว +36

    My grandfather who passed in the 1950s, was an engineer out of Ironwood Michigan for Chicago & Northwestern RR. I never met him, but always wondered what his life would have been like. My father told me stories here and there, but seeing things like this let’s me think at least he wasn’t too cold in those winters in the UP. Thanks for your video!

    • @TGFMusic
      @TGFMusic ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I lived in Ironwood back in the 90s when I was a kid, those winters are crazy!

    • @MitchJohnson0110
      @MitchJohnson0110 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Have you ever seen on of the snow plows they use for the railroad up there?

    • @patrickcronin6829
      @patrickcronin6829 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@MitchJohnson0110 I have not, but they must have had good equipment to keep the tracks clear.

    • @MitchJohnson0110
      @MitchJohnson0110 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@patrickcronin6829 Like 20 foot tall wedge plows. pretty nuts

  • @HaddaClu
    @HaddaClu ปีที่แล้ว +21

    One of the reasons why Canadian locomotives could be considered better towards the end of steam (besides the superior firebox crownsheets 😉)was that they had "all-weather" insulated cabs often with doors. This was apparently legislated by the authorities into cab design for the crews. The downsides of course being potentially hot cabs in the summer months. Feel almost bad for the CP crew that has to do the Mexico City trip once the merger finally goes through.

    • @ShadowDragon8685
      @ShadowDragon8685 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Superior crown sheets are all well and good, but they don't stop those lunatics at Canadian Pacific from their unending quest to annoint every lake, stream, river, and other body of water, natural or manmade, adjoining any section of track with a locomotive.

    • @HaddaClu
      @HaddaClu ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@ShadowDragon8685 you mean to tell me CP wasn't actually a pioneer in amphibious locomotive operations? Darn it!!

  • @DonkenAndToivolaRR
    @DonkenAndToivolaRR ปีที่แล้ว +14

    I once worked on a steam engine as pilot. January 2002. It was -25°C/-13F, lots of snow and sun, and the plot was going light engine from Stuttgart to Munich (Germany). 240km (150mls). The engine was a 4-6-0 with a tender (fast passenger trains engine, 01 series of the DR/DB). Last 15km/10mls we had to run tender first because there were no more usable turntables and no short wye (and the network liked to have us out of mainline passenger traffic also). No curtains, 50km/h (32mls/h) restriction due to pushing the tender, but man after this I was frozen to the bone. As a pilot you basically standing in the way of the crew and talk them through the line, major grades and restrictions, talking to dispatchers, that kind of stuff. Nothing to do to keep yourself warm at all.

  • @rjohnson1690
    @rjohnson1690 ปีที่แล้ว +35

    The SP 4449 has an “all weather cab”, which would have been great in the Sierras and Cascades, but would have sucked in the Central Valley summers.

  • @Armageddon_71
    @Armageddon_71 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    7:00 Now I just have this picture in my head of the fireman just wearing a wifebeater and overall having the time of his life while the engineer is freezing to death with 6 layers of clothing XD

  • @HM2SGT
    @HM2SGT ปีที่แล้ว +10

    I work at a deactivated primary metal smelter for ALCOA in Texas, and despite what amount to hundreds of small in-ground swimming pool size pots of molten metal, the potrooms in winter were unpleasantly cold unless you were fairly close to a pot. Of course if you were right next to one it was much too hot!

  • @FlakusCorporation
    @FlakusCorporation ปีที่แล้ว +23

    Thanks for the explanation for people who haven’t experienced this. With no curtains, you really do have to almost hug the rear sheet to get a quick warmup. At least when the cab crew kicks you out there’s a coal stove in the caboose to go back to!

  • @alwaysbearded1
    @alwaysbearded1 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    I like this topic. I can imagine what it is like for the fireman vs. the engineer. Reminds me of my time cooking in the galley for a Chantey sing program that was live onboard ship prior to Covid. We fired up the wood stove to serve hundreds of cold visitors. Not nearly as cold as it is in your area but damp and windy. I'd jump out in my T shirt in rain to cool down for a bit and they would look at me funny like don't you know it's cold and wet. There was no way to get away from the heat.

  • @jed-henrywitkowski6470
    @jed-henrywitkowski6470 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    I think I've been to your museum when I was a teenager, with my dad who's a long haul trucker. Well, it's all very possible we were just going slow enough to get a decent look at things.
    I think I remember seeing a loco and a caboose on a curve track that appeared to be a siding.

  • @thamirivonjaahri6378
    @thamirivonjaahri6378 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I remember when my father was building his dreamhouse, he wanted to pour concrete into the kitchen at the start of the spring. Timing was really bad though as just night before, first there was heavy rain and temperatures subsequently went to from 35F to 10F, so when we came in the morning, all the sand was frozen solid.
    Together with my cousin we were given the task of breaking it using pick-axes. It was still pretty chilly around 36F and here we were stripped to undershirts breaking frozen sand like a pair of 19th century convicts. I can as such easily imagine why fireman was always wearing basically just underwear, especially if he was feeding something dat hot.

  • @PikaPetey
    @PikaPetey ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Train Engineer: "Guys, i'm really cold while operating the train in the winter... can we please get some accommodations?"
    Safety board: "here's a blanket." puts up curtains on choo-choo-train.

  • @KAMIKAZE-dk8xd
    @KAMIKAZE-dk8xd ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Thank you so much for the °C conversions. And thank you for teaching something I didnt know that I didnt know. Im not a man that would be described as one to be "into" trains. However the rivets, brass and soot are doing something for me. Wonderful engine, wonderful stories, wonderful video.

  • @anthonyj.adventures9736
    @anthonyj.adventures9736 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    To give a better prospective of why the fireman is grossly underdressed amd over heated. THINK of cooking a meal in the oven. You open the oven door and you get the blast of heat. Like an oven, when you open up the firebox to stoke it with coal the firemen will be hit pretty directly with that blast of heat. And since the doors compared to the overall size of the fire box combined with cold air getting sucked in by the fires natural means to find oxygen. Like a mini but none explosive backdraft effect. But that heat wave goes the easiest path. Past the fireman and out over the tender.

  • @jdgindustries2734
    @jdgindustries2734 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I'll point out, as someone who has ridden the cab of a steam locomotive, with the curtains off for the summer, the doors, windows and roof vent open, you can get a nice breeze through the cab at only 10mph. It's surprisingly comfortable.
    Then, you got these new GE & EMDs, which struggle to stay warm when standing, and freeze solid when rolling down the track.

    • @ohboy2592
      @ohboy2592 ปีที่แล้ว

      I don’t know what new ge or emd’s you’ve been in but the ones I’ve been in have no problem staying hot in sub zero temps

  • @SternLX
    @SternLX ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I can imagine there were a few games of "How many Railroaders can we fit in the cab of 491?" played when the temperatures dropped below freezing during its operational years.

    • @Hyce777
      @Hyce777  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yup.

  • @Sallafar
    @Sallafar ปีที่แล้ว +55

    Hyce, this just made my day. Not only the interesting (because niche) subject, bit your conversion to °C and your attitude towards it😁

    • @Hyce777
      @Hyce777  ปีที่แล้ว +25

      Despite me being most familiar and comfortable with imperial measurements because it's what I grew up with, the metric system makes objectively more sense...

    • @twkolejofil
      @twkolejofil ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Thanks a lot for that conversion. Despite I recently started to catch some fluency in the approximate conversion of inches and thousandths of them into centimeters and hundredths of millimeters, I still just can't stand thinking how many Celsius degrees is an arbitrarily chosen number of Fahrenheit degrees 🤯

    • @StuckOnAFireHydrant
      @StuckOnAFireHydrant ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@Hyce777 I actually have. A funny story about that:
      I was a major comp sci major and all computer temps are in C. So my land lord rings out bell cause we had a heater problem and first thing that he says is "WHAT TEMPERATURE DOES WATER BOIL AT"
      Naturally very off guard I said "one hundred!"
      "WRONG. ITS AROUND 212 F"
      Little did I know he was asking in F lmao. What kinda number is 212?! It's not even (meaning starting at a 0 in this case) or divides nice or any of that crap!

    • @Sallafar
      @Sallafar ปีที่แล้ว

      @@twkolejofil I actually had to learn that for research diving years ago and all I can remember is that it was a rather long-ish formula containing a multiplication by 5/9 or dividing by 5/9, depending on the conversion direction.
      I think the major problem with the Fahrenheit scale compared to Celsius is that, while celcius was able to depict natural processes in a very simple way by just defining freezing and boiling points of water at normal pressure as the zero and 100 ° points of his scale.
      Fahrenheit on the other hand seemingly wanted to futureproof his scale by trying to take into account potential future developments and at the same time jumping onto a kind of developing trend of making scales with 3 fixpoints.
      How well that went with early to mid 18th century tech I think needs no saying. And that is even after the adjustments the Fahrenheit scale went through in the late 19th century...

    • @seanseoltoir
      @seanseoltoir ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@Hyce777 -- As an engineer (retired), I can handle either system, but your are quite naive if you think that the metric system is anything other that just another arbitrary unit of measures. It might have started out with lofty goals, but eventually those met the real world and ended up as just another arbitrary system of units.

  • @bjrnfrederiksson2505
    @bjrnfrederiksson2505 ปีที่แล้ว

    A great little story on how to keep yourselves warm in the winter cold.
    Keep them stories coming Hyce

  • @kupferbergbahn7952
    @kupferbergbahn7952 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I never thought that it would actually thought that it's be cold in the cab during winter, very insightful!
    Also like the winter edition of the outro, the music there is really soothing.

  • @Cooper121842
    @Cooper121842 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    As a British person who’s always liked trains watching your videos, when you put the Celsius temperature conversions on screen man I APPRECIATE YOU

    • @omahaderbycovers
      @omahaderbycovers ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Fahrenheit is simple. Zero is the coldest day you've ever known. 100 is the hottest day you've ever known.

    • @PhilQc109
      @PhilQc109 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@omahaderbycovers huh I call BS on what you said!

    • @omahaderbycovers
      @omahaderbycovers ปีที่แล้ว

      @@PhilQc109 What do you mean BS? That's exactly how Fahrenheit created the scale 300 years ago. Some say he used human body temperature for the high end, but either way, same thing.
      Its a scale that is perfectly calibrated to human perception. Below the midpoint feels cool and gets colder as you approach zero. Above the midpoint feels warm and gets warmer as you approach 100.

    • @PhilQc109
      @PhilQc109 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@omahaderbycovers I bet he never went in -30 zone huh. Can't beat Metric system as he said in the vid!!!

    • @omahaderbycovers
      @omahaderbycovers ปีที่แล้ว

      @@PhilQc109 The problem with C, at least as it relates to the human environment, is the scale runs roughly from -20 to +40, so it is both lower resolution than F as well as requiring use of negative numbers.
      Conversely, F is explicitly calibrated to the human environment.
      I'm an engineer, and the only context I can think of where SI units are unambiguously easier to use is doing thermodynamic calculations. Easy.
      For day to day things, it's all ideological. MPH vs KPH? Inches vs cm? Pints vs liters? What does it matter?
      The advantage of traditional units is they evolved organically through human need. EG, as Orwell pointed out, the pint is the optimum quantity for a beer. Let the barman pour you a half liter, and you've gotten short measure, while a full liter is too much.

  • @awildjared1396
    @awildjared1396 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Sounds like the state of new jersey is basically the climate of a steam locomotive cab

  • @charlestowler902
    @charlestowler902 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    In the early 2000s I had a ride on the footplate of a QJ class steam loco hauling a freight train from Sanggendalai to Jingpeng on the JiTong railway in China. The outside temperature was between -15 and -20 celsius. Even wearing a ski-suit and thermals, I have never been so cold or experienced such an incredible temperature gradient across the footplate from the fire hole to the 'jump' seat on the tender! I was allowed to do a bit of firing for 5 minutes or so to keep warm, but lacked the expertise and fitness needed to keep it going longer. I had a huge amount of respect for the two firemen on these locos, doing 20 minutes on and 20 minutes off firing a large 2-10-2 across the hills of Northern China. No curtains on the QJ. I imagine that driving a DF4d across the line now is a good deal more pleasant work...

    • @filanfyretracker
      @filanfyretracker ปีที่แล้ว +1

      crazy to think of a steamer in main line revenue service even in the 21st century.

  • @philiplueth5911
    @philiplueth5911 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Was really wondering about this the other day. Thanks for explaining it!

  • @strasburgrailfan90
    @strasburgrailfan90 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    This was a very interesting video! I learned a lot! thanks for sharing this with us!

  • @PaulCyclist
    @PaulCyclist ปีที่แล้ว

    Fantastic share. Makes me recollect my visit to the State RR museum in Sacramento CA and the first look at the massive cab forward engine back in the early 80’s. I bet that had some interesting options for cab comfort for the crew.

  • @ytzpilot
    @ytzpilot ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Imagine crossing the prairies in the late 1800s middle of winter -20 degree weather hunkering down in the cab, not fun

  • @Atvsrawsome
    @Atvsrawsome ปีที่แล้ว +1

    My experience hunting out west is that when you are moving and working hard. You can sweat through just a sweatshirt when it's 9 degrees out.

  • @kamishorts999
    @kamishorts999 ปีที่แล้ว

    ive never watched a video about a steam train in my life but i watched the whole video, keep it up dude you deserve more

  • @KamilsView
    @KamilsView ปีที่แล้ว

    I love your comment about the system of measurements that actually makes sense 🙂

  • @Tristan_S346
    @Tristan_S346 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    And now I know what the next mod to my model K-27 will be 😂 awesome details and explanation as always!

  • @robertbalazslorincz8218
    @robertbalazslorincz8218 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I heard stories watching these old doc films about Hungarian enginemen that rheumatics were fairly common among them.
    (Note: the cabs of the locomotives used couldn't be fully sealed at all. All they had was two windshields and a roof so they wouldn't get wet. Also a side door so they wouldn't fall out as the engine rocked side to side.)

  • @vickihaun9709
    @vickihaun9709 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Great video Hyce! I appreciate your detailed explanations about just about all railroad equipment and procedures. How about a mention about the brakeman's cab on some of the tenders.

    • @Hyce777
      @Hyce777  ปีที่แล้ว +4

      The doghouse has been talked about in a video a few months back on the channel.

    • @jimhice7485
      @jimhice7485 ปีที่แล้ว

      I really like reading everything i can find about railroading on the steamers, im another HICE same name 1 letter different

  • @Midland1072Productions
    @Midland1072Productions ปีที่แล้ว +4

    So you're saying the Rio Grande supplied their engines with ability to provide.... FULL CANVAS!!
    All jokes aside awesome video Hyce!!

    • @Hyce777
      @Hyce777  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      AYE! FULL CANVAS!

  • @WasatchWind
    @WasatchWind ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Watching this while waiting for Montezuma to come to pressure in RO.

  • @ianosaur03
    @ianosaur03 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Fascinating! I had no idea it was even possible to get cold enough to shiver while riding next to such a bonfire!
    Side note: Woo! Snowy 20!

  • @QuazarCG_Studio
    @QuazarCG_Studio ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I never stop learning stuff from this channel!

  • @crustycurmudgeon2182
    @crustycurmudgeon2182 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Never thought of that. Makes sense, though. Wide open doors, windows, etc. can be cold even a few feet away from some heavy localized heat. Great vid!

  • @colmornane5684
    @colmornane5684 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Hi Hyce, another great video, being in Australia we never have the problems with extremly cold weather like you experience in USA. I often wondered how the engine crews coped and your video enlightened me. Very Well done. Regards A Fan from Aus.

    • @ShadowDragon8685
      @ShadowDragon8685 ปีที่แล้ว

      I've seen photos of kangaroos standing in _snow_ up to their _knees._ You're taking the mick saying Australia doesn't have cold weather problems from time to time.

    • @colmornane5684
      @colmornane5684 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ShadowDragon8685 Good on you! Yes I have seen kangaroos in the snow also, but in real life! The temperatures here in Australia never drops to those experienced in the colder regions of the USA like the Sierra Nevada Mountains . Sure we see snow here (mainly in the high country) but we do not reach levels, for the period of time, that is going to create a train to become snow bound. Nor do we have snow blowers to clear our drive way or paths. Our weather is simply not that severe. As I state above I have I often wondered how the engine crews coped. Regards a Fan from Aus.

  • @SuperCookieGaming_
    @SuperCookieGaming_ ปีที่แล้ว +1

    adding celsius conversations to your video was a nice touch, lets anyone in the world understand what your talking about.

  • @randyrobey5643
    @randyrobey5643 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you for explaining this.

  • @charlemichelleke
    @charlemichelleke ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Thx for puting in the temps in Celcius i apreciate it alot!

  • @SignalLightProductions
    @SignalLightProductions ปีที่แล้ว

    Neat tour! Our engines just have the main curtains on the side. As fireman I'm always warm, but I did a trip last month as head brakeman on a day that was dumping snow and that was awful.

  • @TheMowsefan
    @TheMowsefan ปีที่แล้ว +1

    As a former owner of 3 GTOs, I approve of the hat. '66 x two & '70 convertible Judge clone. I also am on the crew that maintains and runs a 1922 2-6-2 Baldwin locomotive.

    • @Hyce777
      @Hyce777  ปีที่แล้ว

      That's awesome Todd! I have a '68 myself. Which Baldwin?

  • @michaeltristan
    @michaeltristan ปีที่แล้ว

    Well done video- thanks for taking us into the shop with you. I'd rather watch stuff like this than network television every time.

  • @chezman3892
    @chezman3892 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Down on the farm we used a canvas surround on the tractors to hold heat around the operator-----we called them heat houses.

  • @patricksheary2219
    @patricksheary2219 ปีที่แล้ว

    It is amazing what a set of curtains will do to help keep you warm. Reminds me of the curtains on high post beds in the 18th century. These run on rods too and completely encase the bed providing some extra warmth to those inside on a cold night. Steam heating on a steam train imagine 😂. Thanks Mark.

  • @MervynPartin
    @MervynPartin ปีที่แล้ว

    That was fascinating. It is good that the railroad provided gear to keep the crew warm in the harsh conditions of winter.
    Luckily, here in UK, we don't get the extremes of weather like the USA, but I did spend a few hours wearing a heavy jacket trying to keep warm in a draughty, unheated diesel loco on a winter night during track maintenance. I never did like cold weather!

  • @JLange642
    @JLange642 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great video- something I had always wondered about, Of course, this would only apply to northern areas or high altitude runs, and I'm sure those curtains were one of the first items to rot away on abandoned trains, so many people probably have never seen them. Thanks for the informative video!

    • @Hyce777
      @Hyce777  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Yup, the curtains definitely suffered the elements pretty quick. We actually ended up getting a hold of 491's original curtains and they're actually in good shape though. They were stored in a boxcar for 50 years, which is why.

    • @museuminsider1814
      @museuminsider1814 ปีที่แล้ว

      My Grandad made a cover for his fishing boat from one of the canvases from a B&O Steam Engine.

  • @cfryman77
    @cfryman77 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Love the videos Hyce!!

  • @tylerodonnell-paccione7523
    @tylerodonnell-paccione7523 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    8:11 can completely confirm, I've been unable to feel my fingers many nights so far, those are times I wish my Goose was cooked lol

  • @Ifinishedyoutube
    @Ifinishedyoutube ปีที่แล้ว

    Experiential knowledge delivered lovely in an educational manner. Thank you very much. You're the kind of person that would be on Mr. Rogers.

  • @DS-bm6es
    @DS-bm6es ปีที่แล้ว

    I'm from Canada, so I had a little laugh when you mentioned "systems of temperature and measurement that actually make sense". Thanks for the great video that was really interesting!

  • @MrSpacelyy
    @MrSpacelyy ปีที่แล้ว

    This was a question I had for a while now
    Great explanation.

  • @alvinmorris5404
    @alvinmorris5404 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Cab curtains plain and simple, the great northern, Canadian national, and Canadian pacific are just 3 of many railroads that used those on their locomotives and then there's the British railways that used them extensively on their locomotives and many had tarps that they used year round that extended from the cab roof to the tender to eliminate the risk of the fireman slipping and falling off the foootplate and even off the locomotives with all the rain and sometimes snow over there.

  • @19LG99
    @19LG99 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    i love the way you did the metric conversion with little inserts, it really helps keeping the sentences easy to follow

  • @Skynd303
    @Skynd303 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    That was awesome!! I never knew!

  • @LifeInMontana
    @LifeInMontana ปีที่แล้ว

    Hyce! Well made! Appreciate your coffee break!

  • @df05nova
    @df05nova ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Thanks for a great video . This is really cool and brought about a question to me. How does the 491 keep the water in the tender from freezing? I’m sure it has a system .thanks again.

    • @Hyce777
      @Hyce777  ปีที่แล้ว +14

      You can have the injector "blow back" into the tank, sending steam into the water tank to keep it from freezing.

  • @pethoviejo
    @pethoviejo ปีที่แล้ว

    Aah! Rio Grande Southern. We used to live at mile marker 91. Twin Spruce Ranch. Thanks for sharing.

  • @AminoJack
    @AminoJack ปีที่แล้ว

    Just found your videos through reddit, and previously my only foray into trains was googling how steam locomotives work out of curiosity. Your videos are great, you demeanor, manner of speech, just all hit right, definitely got a new subscriber. :)!

    • @Hyce777
      @Hyce777  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Cheers mate! Where on Reddit have I been posted? I didn't know someone had been sharing them.

    • @AminoJack
      @AminoJack ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Hyce777Just today about the do not hump video, /r/videos, 7 upvotes, but hey it's getting there :)

  • @Jtothethird
    @Jtothethird ปีที่แล้ว

    I’ve really often wondered about this, being in Canada. A well explained video!

  • @maxsdad538
    @maxsdad538 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I never gave any thought to the heating systems, and I never cared much about them. But I was impressed by the video and more so by the technological advances in these "ancient" steam engines. Well done. And you had me at "we sell stuff!". MY coffee cup's on the way. 😁😁😁

    • @Hyce777
      @Hyce777  ปีที่แล้ว

      Cheers mate! Glad you enjoyed, and thank you so much for helping to support the channel :)

  • @raganusmc
    @raganusmc ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I learned something new about steam trains to today lol wow

  • @michaelreilly1310esq
    @michaelreilly1310esq ปีที่แล้ว

    Awesome video and so informative

  • @colvinator1611
    @colvinator1611 ปีที่แล้ว

    A great incite into a very important aspect of loco operation. Thanks a lot. Colin UK 🇬🇧

  • @bokesnmokes
    @bokesnmokes ปีที่แล้ว

    I worked on boilers on destroyers in the Navy, it was hot as hell down in the fireroom, especially since I was stationed at Pearl Harbor. I used to love when we would head north. Then I worked on the boilers at a power plant in Hawaii and that was hot, too.

  • @nutlord5356
    @nutlord5356 ปีที่แล้ว

    Came from kan’s video of the coop train world. Your videos are way more entertaining than I thought. Keep up the good work 👍

  • @mikeyanello3664
    @mikeyanello3664 ปีที่แล้ว

    So cool thank you for the video I learned so much 👍

  • @barbararoberto1258
    @barbararoberto1258 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video keep warm and thumbs up

  • @amfwelsh
    @amfwelsh ปีที่แล้ว

    Just found your channel and subbed. Really great channel

  • @JonsGarage89
    @JonsGarage89 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Well, looking for more pictures of all weather cabs sent me down a rabbit hole learning about vestibule and fully enclosed cabs. I saw way less engines with curtains, lots of colorado NG, a few santa fes, and one GTW. Im sure there were/are many more. Seams Canadian Pacific skipped the curtains and went straight to enclosed cabs. lol

  • @williskeesel6049
    @williskeesel6049 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    There's a Chicago Burlington and quincy rr 4-8-4 standard gauge engine sitting in my home town of Sheridan, Wyoming. I stopped there one day after I got interested in steam locomotives after watching Kan play RR online and it I'd amazing looking at the enginuity of these past locomotives. For anyone curious, the build date was 07/1940 traction effort is 67,500 boiler pressure is 250, and the fuel source was coal.

    • @Hyce777
      @Hyce777  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It's the 5633, sister of the 5629 we have at the museum.

    • @williskeesel6049
      @williskeesel6049 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Hyce777 I had no idea! That's so cool!

  • @kemaloncu4292
    @kemaloncu4292 ปีที่แล้ว

    First of all, greetings from Turkey!!! I was very much in need of information about how steam locomotives turn corners with ease. I learned from you in detail, thank you very much.

    • @Hyce777
      @Hyce777  ปีที่แล้ว

      Greetings! Glad you enjoyed.

  • @railwayjade
    @railwayjade ปีที่แล้ว

    That was very interesting! Hope you will have some winter footage for us :)

  • @hokkaidorider4296
    @hokkaidorider4296 ปีที่แล้ว

    Praise the algorithm! This channel is up there with wheels through time for me! Fantastic work you guys do!

    • @Hyce777
      @Hyce777  ปีที่แล้ว

      Cheers!

  • @tommybronze3451
    @tommybronze3451 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks for the vid - quite interesting ! And special thanks for translating to C !!!

  • @FDNY101202
    @FDNY101202 ปีที่แล้ว

    These are the important questions we need answered 👍

  • @cameronmccreary4758
    @cameronmccreary4758 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Well, that explanation did it for me; I subscribed to your channel. I learned a lot in the 8:41 minutes here; thank you.

    • @Hyce777
      @Hyce777  ปีที่แล้ว

      Cheers Cameron!

  • @carrollnorwood5133
    @carrollnorwood5133 ปีที่แล้ว

    Super like the information and you you’re pretty chill dude keep up the good work love brother

  • @caelumvaldovinos5318
    @caelumvaldovinos5318 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hello from the year 2023! I worked a couple of night trains on the Virginia & Truckee during our Winter Holiday trains and I will support what Hyce says. When we closed up the cab, the 29 was quite nice and comfortable to be in. But, the minute you stepped away from the cab wall, it went from 'ah, warm' to "HOLY !@$@& IT'S COLD!!!!!!!"

    • @Hyce777
      @Hyce777  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Yuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuup.

  • @TheDinkelman
    @TheDinkelman ปีที่แล้ว

    First time watching your channel. Great video and thanks for including metric units! Greetings from Germany

    • @Hyce777
      @Hyce777  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Greetings! Glad you enjoyed the video. :)

  • @pokemontrainermichael5551
    @pokemontrainermichael5551 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I bet the loco is like , " its not my fault Hyde , I was built like this "

  • @1984Phalanx
    @1984Phalanx ปีที่แล้ว

    It was very kind of you to cater to us metric users, we don't all know the conversion rates of Freedom units.

  • @konchy
    @konchy ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you so much. Love the story about the fireman just being in a t-shirt

  • @dougc190
    @dougc190 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Wow very interesting! Makes me think those Southern Pacific Cab forwards oil fires steam engines, must have been real nice and warm going through the Sierra

  • @leon419
    @leon419 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    When you are north of the 49th parallel, its just common sense to remember that heat does rise, and that if you ensure the upper parts of anything structural are insulated against cold intrusion and heat loss you will have an easier time maintaining a stable temperature even in extreme weather conditions. Also, any insulation below a rating of r20 is a waste within this region as your expending excess energy to maintain the same stable temperature. Edit for reference: I live in an area north of the 49th parallel in a southern area of the province of Alberta Canada that will see temperatures of -30 to -40 degrees Celsius in the months of January and February., with an ambient average temperature around -25 to -29 degrees Celsius.

  • @legorailroader844
    @legorailroader844 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Railroads online needs a "sheep simulator" mini game for causing mass havoc on the C&S/D&GR.

  • @williamschlenger1518
    @williamschlenger1518 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks for the info

  • @endrthestrange1887
    @endrthestrange1887 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Not quite a problem we have that often over here at Railtown 1897, mainly because we only see snow once every other winter. But hypothetically speaking, if that was an issue for us, 3, 28 and 34 would have to be fitted with curtains to help us keep the warm inside the cab during the winter months. Not really an issue with Shay No. 2, because it has a fully-enclosed cab

  • @bobsmith2637
    @bobsmith2637 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Freeze on one side, burn on the other

  • @roundsm18
    @roundsm18 ปีที่แล้ว

    Ive spent a lot of my working life outdoors. Winters in Northern Alaska. I cant imagine being cold enough to need that. I still havent worn long johns in the last 30 years. Thats gotta be insane wind chill.

  • @ObviousSchism
    @ObviousSchism ปีที่แล้ว

    Loved the shoutout to the metric system!

  • @_Naaraaja
    @_Naaraaja ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Fahrenheit = F = Freedon units. Love your videos man!

  • @hbissonnette2577
    @hbissonnette2577 ปีที่แล้ว

    I look forward to getting in the engineer seat. Nice and warm in the winter, air conditioning in the summer

  • @DarrinsChannel
    @DarrinsChannel ปีที่แล้ว

    A TH-camr that makes you feel your there because the video isn't edited so bad that it takes away from what's he's trying to show you. Also converting Fahrenheit to Celsius take note other TH-cam's it's nice to see in a video am subscribing