The 4 left are the 5614 (in St. Joseph, MO), the 5629, the 5631, and the 5633. The Grand Trunk 5632 is also still around (its a sister to the 5629 which Jensen owned and was scrapped as well). I've always thought that it would be cool for y'alls 5629 and the Grand Trunk 5632 to both run again. Kind of a tribute to the CB&Q 5632 and the GTW 5629
Just FYI, 5614 has been moved. It got dragged off to pennsylvania for restoration and it's supposed to be put back in service again in st joe when it's done. No idea how long that will take or what exactly they plan on doing with it beyond some vague heritage railroad stuff.
Oh - also, worth checking out there's a pretty cool 1894 CB&Q 4-4-0 #35 sitting in the pattee house museum less than a mile from where 5614 was sitting.
#5629 was built at the West Burlington, Iowa Shops(which still stand and are used for occasional BNSF operations). There's a there's a small CB&Q 4-6-4 Hudson Class #3003 is currently sitting down by the Burlington depot. Which that depot is falling apart. It's a big piece of history and it's falling apart.
@@NEAFarmKid4010 Well, I read that this was gonna happening back in the spring. I suppose I can just drive by it later today for a visual quick check of whether or not it's still there.
*Decides to donate locomotive to a museum. *Tacks it on to an end of freight train. *Builds tracks over major roadway. *Blocks said roadway in the process. *Drops off locomotive via said tracks. *Refuses to elaborate further. *Removes tracks. *Leaves. Absolutely magical.
Apparently, according to what Dusty was telling me last night after I had filmed, was that there was issues with whether or not the locomotive would damage the drainage channels by passing over. Turns out, via one experiment, it didn't, but that didn't leave folks happy... lol!
@@Hyce777 The way you word it, does that mean Dusty confirmed that the museum had been notified ahead of time about the delivery? EDIT: Never mind; saw one of your other comments saying as much.
My neighbors would hate me, at every big holiday I'd go out and fire up till I have enough pressure to play that whistle just once like going through a grade crossing...yeah they'll be hatin on me 🤣
I've heard of people leaving babies on a doorstep, but never before have I heard of someone dropping off a locomotive at a doorstep like an unwanted baby.
I've been on quite the narrow gauge kick lately so I forgot how massive standard gauge is lmao, as you said that thing is ONE OF THE SMALLER ONES. Absolutely ridiculous lol
I'm the opposite. I have been on a couple of standard gauge locomotives (got to ride on the footplate), but never saw a narrow gauge one from up close. It would probably look like a toy train to me :)
especially us standart gauge locomotives are HUGE. like in germany we have bigger steam locomotives too (like the br01 or 03 class) but these are all small compared to us ones.
My guess regarding the dissimilar trucks on the tender is that something failed on one of the trucks on the tender and they swapped in a truck from another tender awaiting the scrapper's torch.
When I was a kid we lived in Denver. My favorite place to visit (other than Caboose Hobbies) was the Colorado Railroad Museum. I remember us visiting one time and climbing up into the cab of 5629 (against the rules.. My dad is a rebel) and my mom might have pictures somewhere of my siblings and I in front of the valve gear. Great memories :)
I'm not too sure that it would be against the rules because it's not able to be operated without making it obvious and plus there are no tracks, someone could steal something however anything in the cab isn't worth anything and would be again very obvious to try and steal because you would need tools.
I did something similar on the sole surviving I1a. The TSRR had a bunch of the locomotive they have pulled out for a 4th of July event, and that year, they weren't allowing people into the Cabs, but I climbed up onto 610 anyways to get a picture of its cab
I miss Caboose Hobbies. I remember my dad would take me there all the time when we visited Denver from Colorado Springs. Now that I’m a father I was excited to take my son there… that’s when I found out it is no longer there…
Standard gauge steam locomotives always amazed me by their sheer size ever since I was young. From the towering drivers to just how tall the locomotive itself was. They were truly IMMENSE machines. I had no idea about this. Thanks as always for sharing!
The CB&Q O-5s are some of my favorite locomotives of all time. Everything from their massive power output, to their very unique looks. I just love those engines so much.
Ive been waiting for this story since you alluded to it a while back. Im glad shes 100% complete, a great example of what was. Thats shitty about the 5632. The footage of 5629 being pushed across is awesome. That was def a "hurry up and lets do this before the cops show up cause screw a permit" kinda thing. I love it!
the mismatch in the tender trucks feels like a "we need to get this out of the shop, just use whatever fits" solution. Likely was done towards the end of steam on the CB&Q
9:54 you just solved a long mystery for me. I always would dig around a 1920s train wreck in panama illinois as a kid, and I have a lot of treasure I found. I found one of those bearing lids when I was a kid and have always wondered where exactly they were on the train. That makes me so happy.
Watching again. You said about the railroad basically being in charge. I was a professional ATSSA certified traffic control coordinator. I was operating a TMA for a lane closure on I76 in Philly so penndot could use a reach under thing to inspect a bridge. Under our work zone was a NS line and a few spurs for them to park rolling stock. When a train was approaching they had to stop the bridge inspection until the train passed. 100ft Under us. They had plenty of overhead clearnce but a railroad manager on our job site on the bridge to let us well penndot know when to take the reacher bucket up. Because the railroad has right of way.
As to the 5629 being ditched I was there in person the day it was donated in 1963 as part of the NRHS Convention in Denver which 5632 had pulled an excursion train from Chicago to Denver. It took most of the day to back it into the museum.
@@Hyce777 So it would seem. I'm just worried that their urine could corrode the metal. I know mouse urine is highly corrosive, so I'd assume the same is true of rats.
@@Hyce777 Going to be difficult as there is no track as far as I know, maybe try walking 30 feet from the side of the loco taking a photo and put the photos next to each other?
@@OutbackCatgirl Not that bad as once they determined there was a problem. Just pulled off the road crossing then pushed back into the museum later in the day
Hyce, one of the reasons that I enjoy watching your channel, is that it’s obvious that you really love what you’re doing. Hope to meet you someday at the museum!
What a funny story! I just got back from Sheridan, which is probably why youtube decided to recommend this, and had a lot of fun photographing 5631. Needs a little bit of help now, though, but she still looks pretty good!
Also support museum ships! They're *VERY* expensive to preserve! Off the top of my head, I know we've lost a Soviet submarine in California... I think it was either a Foxtrot or Kilo-class boat, if I remember right. There's been some others, but I can't recall them off the top of my head. Thankfully, USS Texas has just entered a long overdue drydocking. USS The Sullivans suffered some unexpected flooding earlier this year, but last I heard has been fixed, and no artifacts aboard were damaged. (IIRC, they had some minor leaks around the vessel which were well handled by various pumps, but an overnight power failure lead to the pumps stopping and somehow the flooding became at lot worse.)
Thanks @Hyce ! I'm considering building a 7-1/4" gauge version of something very similar to this engine and the closeup shots you've provided will be invaluable.
This might actually be a "Sometimes it's better to ask for forgiveness than beg for permission" thing. Building tracks across the road, a project like this, you would have had to BEG for permission, not ask.
I love the size of these types of standard gauge locomotives. Lots of power!! Don't worry I still love small non-standard gauge locos too. Love all the sizes even live steam models. Nice in-deapth detail look at this powerhorse
What a fascinating and handsome looking example of a steam locomotive, Burlington Route 5629 is an impressive sight to observe and this locomotive is one of four surviving CB&Q rr 4-8-4 type engines. It is unfortunate that Burlington Route 5632 was scrapped in 1972 but at least there are the Burlington Route 5614, 5629,5631 and 5633 that have been preserved for display viewing at various locations (5631 and 5633) are both on display in Wyoming from information sources that I've personally researched. This was a great and enjoyable video.
@@yeoldeseawitch mmm no not really if they either donated or had enough money to send it to be restored they could fix it but this museum can only display it so it’s better if they donate it to a museum or railroad society to then be donated again to a place that will run it
Nice find on the footage of 5629 being pushed across 44th. I have to admit, I feel a bit guilty for having visited the Coors tourist center more than the R.R. Museum when I'm in the area. Being that I'm closer to Carson City, you can imagine I'm more used to seeing The Glenbrook at the NV State R.R. Museum and the rest of the V&TR.
Maybe if you guys could expand the property and dual track a large run, she could be restored and get up and running... Hopefully she can get back to working one day.
Just a clarification, but I do not believe there were any 4-8-4s with drivers taller than 80 inches. There were several 4-6-4s with 84 inch drivers. The well known large passenger 4-8-4s from roads like the UP, SP, and ATSF had 80 inch drivers and 300 lbs boiler pressure, but a good portion of 4-8-4s built for roads with more of a freight focus ran with drivers that were between 69 and 72 inches and lower boiler pressure. Most 4-8-4s ended up with rated starting tractive efforts between 55,000 and 72,000 lbs. There were a few outliers like the N&W J, which after having its boiler pressure raised from 275 to 300, was rated at 80,000, but that came with a low factor of adhesion, since the locomotive was sized for the original 72k TE.
Do you think you could do an in-depth video on feedwater heaters and their types and how to operate them? Could make for an interesting steam 101 video.
I remember being inside the cab and thinking how massive it was when my only steam locomotive experience was with 346. Also, the rotary and some other equipment was still on the siding across the road when I volunteered there in 1994/1995. It seemed strange to see 346 going the “wrong way” in the linked video.
I sure enjoyed this! For such an analog machine they were complicated and magnificent. I recall being trackside next to the UP 844 many years ago, and being amazed by the sheer size and presence of something that works on systems developed 160 years ago. Thanks for sharing, my man!
I like to think it was the work of one sentimental old engineer who now was management, who didn't want to see his beloved locomotive scrapped, and hatched a sneaky plan to drop the locomotive off where he knew they would just be like "yeah...its here now, sure we'll keep it."
5629 is my FAVORITE locomotive on the property. Maybe in the entire state of Colorado. Lol. Many thanks for documenting this gorgeous locomotive. Did not know about the roller bearing deal on the tender. May the person or people responsible for sending 5632 to the scrapper forever burn in hell. 🤗. Ah the 1960's in Chicago.......The worst decade in American history. Another amazing video nonetheless Hyce! Well done!
Great to be able to learn a bit about that locomotive, I was wondering about it when looking at photos of it a few days ago. Thanks for another cool video!
Some British locos had hollow axels, not only did it reduce unsprung weight by quite a few tonnes, (yes really...) it also allowed the inside of the axle to be inspected for cracks.
I live in Pennsylvania... I am less than a mile from a Rail Yard and I'm old enough to remember Steam Locomotives passing by.... We also have a Museum about an hour away down in Strasburg which is pretty cool....
I'll read some of my Burlington route books as a citizen of Burlington most of my heritage is around Burlington route I will look at my locomotive downtown and figure out more
Yeah that thumbnail just about shows the intimidating size of standard gauge 😂. Also shoutout to Hyce for showing how great of game Derail Valley is. I bought it and I’m enjoying it (even though I might have made everything have a Pennsy livery). Great Video Hyce👍
Oh my Mark for some reason I missed seeing this video when it originally aired. Of course I throughly enjoyed it. 5629 is absolutely amazing! Everything scaled up to gigantic size 😂. 100mph GD! That would be so awesome to operate. Thanks for giving us this great learning tour. Many thanks for sharing and cheers Professor extraordinaire!
11:17, I can't imagine the fun they had, pressing the cast iron cylinder liners. I presume they used heat-shrink fit, so they'd have one go to get it all the way in. No pressure then....
We had a grade crossing on our access road for our plant, which also provided access to two other businesses. The railroad would not pay for repairs to the crossing as it was a private drive. So as the three businesses were deciding how to equitably share the cost of the repairs, the railroad got tired of waiting and removed the grade crossing completely. We all just tried to show up for work one morning and there were concrete barriers across the road and MOW equipment tearing up the crossing. So now all traffic has to take a 2 mile detour to come in the back road.
I completely didnt realize that this museum was near Golden. I am gonna have to see if we cant pop by there one day when we take my dad to the V.A center in Aurora.
My guess on the plain bearing tender truck was it probably got swapped out before the locomotive was donated because the RR needed the roller bearing truck for a replacement on another locomotive. But just a guess. Great story on how it got there I had never heard it before!
You need to come down to ABQ and see our girl the AT&SF 2926. She's a bit bigger than the 5629 and did around the same speed, and she also got ding-dong-ditched at a park. Old girl's still got some power, and the wonderful folks at the NMSL&RHS got her running again, and that whistle sings like a bird!
Hello dude and that is a beast of a train, oh and if you are below 6' 1 1/2" I might be a hair taller that the bottom of the cab, another thing we need a video on the rotary snow plow please
I would love to see you do an in-depth discussion on the differences between Baker and Walschaerts valve gear. You have such a great way of explaining stuff to those of us who don't know.
There's a big old Northern that was Frisco's in Tulsa with 6ft ,maybe 74" drivers on static display. It has hideous paint but it's there, it's huge and it's cool.
5629 is small compared to 4449 though, is the thing. 72" vs. 80", 4x 6" difference changes the spacing a lot... etc. but yes, an 0-6-0 is smaller for sure. Though the one we have is actually pretty big...
question: have you ever thought about taking the 5 chime whistle off the 5629 and putting it on the 491 I assume if that would happen you probably have to Restore it first since it’s probably been sitting on the engine for years out in the elements but it would be nice to hear the whistle again
My dream since my freshman or sophomore year of high school was to get my senior pictures taken there came true on 9/11/19, and it was in front of the locomotive I dreamed of, CBQ 5629. It was originally going to be in front of ATSF 2912 in Pueblo but a 2018 grad stole my idea.
I was think about what you said about your restoration, and I thought that it would be hilarious if ypu restored 5629 to operation, then did exactly what the CB&Q did and just build a track over the road without anyone previously knowing then quickly moved 5629 over it to the mainline then dismantled it as quickly as you came.
I volunteered there about 10 years ago, the version I heard was slightly different. The locomotive was on the aforementioned siding across the ditch and street from the museum. The museum got permission from the city to build a temporary track across the road, but the ditch company were jerks about letting them build a temporary bridge. Thus "one night the locomotive was on the siding, the next morning it was on museum grounds, nobody knows what happened." Your version sounds a little more embellished, but also likely more accurate given that you have more connections there, probably heard the story from those closer to actual witnesses. One other little technical question - I notice that this locomotive, and most others I've seen (including #40, though with #491 an exception) has inside bearings on the leading truck and outside bearings on the trailing truck, why is this? Is it for cylinder clearance on either side of the forward truck and firebox between the rear?
I have since the video heard about the bridge issue. Whether or not there was approval otherwise, I guess the bridge piece was never approved, hence the issue. I wouldn't be surprised if I've gotten more of an embellished story of the deal. Haha. I am not sure myself on your inside vs. outside question. I'd imagine it's a geometry thing but I don't honestly know.
Cylinder clearance does sound right. That might explain why the GWR King (6000) class has inside bearings on the trailing axle of the front truck, but not the lead axle!
@@JohnGeorgeBauerBuis Interesting note - I looked up photos of that class and sure enough, the first axle of the lead truck has outside bearings and springs, the second has inside bearings and it looks like the same bearing box/spring arrangement on the rear axle would interfere with the cylinders. Most probably do the same (inside or outside) for all wheels on a given truck, that class is an exception - I'm guessing it's easier to build either all-inside or all-outside on a given truck, plus using the same parts (axle, bearings, etc), the King class must have had some specific reason to need to do it that way - cylinder clearance on the rear, must have some other reason to need outside bearings on the front.
This was my favorite piece at the museum! I really wish it could be saved since her working sister was murdered after her brief excursion service. She may not be as large as her sisters, like SP 4449, UP 8444, GN 2584 and others but the CB&Q had some absolutely amazing engines like the 1511! Loudest engine ever! Edit: I've seen Frisco 4524, which is very similar to the O-5s and it's story is very similar, but the train went through a neighborhood!!!
So, I live where C&O use to haul coal out, and they had diesels at the time they hauled coal pass the town I live in, but they had 4-8-4s similar to 5629, and I’ve always thought “you have tracks here, just fix the issues they have, get a locomotive and some passenger cars, and have a small scenic railroad, but no, they turned it into a walking trail, 36 miles from where the tiphill was to where the end of the line was
Their law enforcement in that area must be the most unreliable department ever. They laid a makeshift track, moved a steam locomotive across a major roadway, then picked the track up and was well on their way before any law enforcement was called, noticed anything, or even drove by. That would not be a ten minute job and we're done.
To be fair 50yr ago there was way less traffic and no cellphones so someone had to notice them drive all the way back (probably home) and then call the police the response time is still ridiculous tho
To add my little aside to the end bit of almost preserved steam engines. (A little bit of context, cause I doubt many people really know about this) So, I live in Newfoundland, and that had a 3’6” railway all across the island. During its hay-day, it used largely 2 classes of steam locomotives, 1000’s & 150’s. They where built 1920s-1940s and worked up until the 1950s I think. When they where being withdrawn, CN asked if the city of St. John’s (NL’s capital) if they wanted to have a 1000, unfortunately the city gov said no. Now there’s only 2 Newfoundland steam loco preserved, a 150, 593, the second is a small 1880s 0-6-0ST, but I don’t believe it has much upkeep. Anyway, if anyone else wants to know more about the railways of Newfoundland, I can probably help.
Im just now wondering how long did it take the workers at the museum that a new choo choo just showed up cuz you got think just showing up to the museum in early morning in the 60s to wake up the choo choos and would you notice immediately or was it there for some time before noticing
between planning and logistics, things just get left as is, because the times sometimes change faster than your own timetable thats the best explanation/theory as to why only one truck was roller and the other was frictional the other is probably because the front trucks were wearing out oddly and much faster than the rear you gotta use what you have
For that feedwater heater, is the main pump up under the smokebox? Thought I saw on the engineers side a centrifugal booster pump mounted crosswise under the cab. It looks like it's a Elesco FW heater, a 5 or 5S model, can't see the plumbing on top where the stack is. I've been trying to research the plumbing on them a bit and it seems like there really wasn't any standard and it was just however it fit and the felt like installing it. There should be a oil skimmer in the middle front section of the water tank with an overflow down through the bottom of the tank too, which means there are water (condensate actually) lines that run back to the tender as well.
Would this engine still be an operating condition mechanically as far as how the boiler checks out and the wear parts on the locomotive go? Would be cool if you had some tractor run it on since it is a standard gauge
The 4 left are the 5614 (in St. Joseph, MO), the 5629, the 5631, and the 5633. The Grand Trunk 5632 is also still around (its a sister to the 5629 which Jensen owned and was scrapped as well). I've always thought that it would be cool for y'alls 5629 and the Grand Trunk 5632 to both run again. Kind of a tribute to the CB&Q 5632 and the GTW 5629
Just FYI, 5614 has been moved. It got dragged off to pennsylvania for restoration and it's supposed to be put back in service again in st joe when it's done. No idea how long that will take or what exactly they plan on doing with it beyond some vague heritage railroad stuff.
Oh - also, worth checking out there's a pretty cool 1894 CB&Q 4-4-0 #35 sitting in the pattee house museum less than a mile from where 5614 was sitting.
@@ColonelSandersLite No, hate to tell you but that is false. Nothing happening with the 5614 as of right now.
#5629 was built at the West Burlington, Iowa Shops(which still stand and are used for occasional BNSF operations). There's a there's a small CB&Q 4-6-4 Hudson Class #3003 is currently sitting down by the Burlington depot. Which that depot is falling apart. It's a big piece of history and it's falling apart.
@@NEAFarmKid4010 Well, I read that this was gonna happening back in the spring. I suppose I can just drive by it later today for a visual quick check of whether or not it's still there.
*Decides to donate locomotive to a museum.
*Tacks it on to an end of freight train.
*Builds tracks over major roadway.
*Blocks said roadway in the process.
*Drops off locomotive via said tracks.
*Refuses to elaborate further.
*Removes tracks.
*Leaves.
Absolutely magical.
literally what i was thinking
"In and out. 20 minute adventure." - Rick Sanchez
Apparently, according to what Dusty was telling me last night after I had filmed, was that there was issues with whether or not the locomotive would damage the drainage channels by passing over.
Turns out, via one experiment, it didn't, but that didn't leave folks happy... lol!
@@Hyce777 The way you word it, does that mean Dusty confirmed that the museum had been notified ahead of time about the delivery?
EDIT: Never mind; saw one of your other comments saying as much.
@@drsemiauto4215 "3 hours later" evil laughter.
imagine a class 1 railroad just randomly dropping off a 4-8-4 in your backyard
I'm down.
@@lazerlake Absolutely, I could handle one EMD FP45.
Proof that they can run it on the main line to my house.
That's the dream.
My neighbors would hate me, at every big holiday I'd go out and fire up till I have enough pressure to play that whistle just once like going through a grade crossing...yeah they'll be hatin on me 🤣
I still can’t believe that they literally ding dong ditched a 4-8-4 at the museum, I’ve heard the story so many times and it still cracks me up
Commodore Vanderbilt said "the public be damned", and the railroads' attitude hasn't changed one whit in the subsequent century and a half.
Ding dong ditching a whole ass locomotive has to be the coolest thing ever
I've heard of people leaving babies on a doorstep, but never before have I heard of someone dropping off a locomotive at a doorstep like an unwanted baby.
I've been on quite the narrow gauge kick lately so I forgot how massive standard gauge is lmao, as you said that thing is ONE OF THE SMALLER ONES. Absolutely ridiculous lol
I'm the opposite. I have been on a couple of standard gauge locomotives (got to ride on the footplate), but never saw a narrow gauge one from up close. It would probably look like a toy train to me :)
especially us standart gauge locomotives are HUGE. like in germany we have bigger steam locomotives too (like the br01 or 03 class) but these are all small compared to us ones.
Love that All-Weather Cab. I could only imagine how warm it must be in there on a hot summer's day.
My guess regarding the dissimilar trucks on the tender is that something failed on one of the trucks on the tender and they swapped in a truck from another tender awaiting the scrapper's torch.
That seems likely. I just checked photos of the other three CB&Q O5s that survive, and they all have plain bearings on all six tender axles.
When I was a kid we lived in Denver. My favorite place to visit (other than Caboose Hobbies) was the Colorado Railroad Museum. I remember us visiting one time and climbing up into the cab of 5629 (against the rules.. My dad is a rebel) and my mom might have pictures somewhere of my siblings and I in front of the valve gear. Great memories :)
That's awesome. :) I wish I could've shown the cab, not this time though...
I'm not too sure that it would be against the rules because it's not able to be operated without making it obvious and plus there are no tracks, someone could steal something however anything in the cab isn't worth anything and would be again very obvious to try and steal because you would need tools.
I did something similar on the sole surviving I1a. The TSRR had a bunch of the locomotive they have pulled out for a 4th of July event, and that year, they weren't allowing people into the Cabs, but I climbed up onto 610 anyways to get a picture of its cab
I miss Caboose Hobbies. I remember my dad would take me there all the time when we visited Denver from Colorado Springs. Now that I’m a father I was excited to take my son there… that’s when I found out it is no longer there…
@@PlanesPleasewhat happened to it
Standard gauge steam locomotives always amazed me by their sheer size ever since I was young. From the towering drivers to just how tall the locomotive itself was. They were truly IMMENSE machines. I had no idea about this. Thanks as always for sharing!
The CB&Q O-5s are some of my favorite locomotives of all time. Everything from their massive power output, to their very unique looks. I just love those engines so much.
Ive been waiting for this story since you alluded to it a while back. Im glad shes 100% complete, a great example of what was. Thats shitty about the 5632. The footage of 5629 being pushed across is awesome. That was def a "hurry up and lets do this before the cops show up cause screw a permit" kinda thing. I love it!
I thought they made panels... the fact they just fucking came out and spiked the shit in, is incredible. lol
@@Hyce777 were panels even a thing back then?
@@JonsGarage89 idk
What footage?
@@SpaceSoups exactly.
the mismatch in the tender trucks feels like a "we need to get this out of the shop, just use whatever fits" solution. Likely was done towards the end of steam on the CB&Q
Sounds like 5632 fought against being scrapped. I like to think the scrapping process went really, really badly.
9:54 you just solved a long mystery for me. I always would dig around a 1920s train wreck in panama illinois as a kid, and I have a lot of treasure I found. I found one of those bearing lids when I was a kid and have always wondered where exactly they were on the train. That makes me so happy.
That is the coolest story I've heard,forced donation,good for them,taking authority,my heros,no red tape😅
Watching again. You said about the railroad basically being in charge. I was a professional ATSSA certified traffic control coordinator. I was operating a TMA for a lane closure on I76 in Philly so penndot could use a reach under thing to inspect a bridge. Under our work zone was a NS line and a few spurs for them to park rolling stock. When a train was approaching they had to stop the bridge inspection until the train passed. 100ft Under us. They had plenty of overhead clearnce but a railroad manager on our job site on the bridge to let us well penndot know when to take the reacher bucket up. Because the railroad has right of way.
As to the 5629 being ditched I was there in person the day it was donated in 1963 as part of the NRHS Convention in Denver which 5632 had pulled an excursion train from Chicago to Denver. It took most of the day to back it into the museum.
That's amazing that you were there! I bet that was cool to witness.
@@Hyce777yes it was a very interesting operation to witness plus having the opportunity to ride behind #5632 while in Denver
I was hoping you'd go up in the cab, though the story of how it got there is really funny.
Unfortunately, the cab and firebox have a bit of a rat problem. It's not safe for now. Again... on the list. Unfortunate for sure.
@@Hyce777 So Rebuild Rescue's TB20 was a birdhouse, and this thing is a rat house? That's interesting.
@@sambrown6426 places to hide outdoors tend to attract wildlife, it seems. lol
@@Hyce777 So it would seem. I'm just worried that their urine could corrode the metal. I know mouse urine is highly corrosive, so I'd assume the same is true of rats.
Need to put one of the narrow gauge locos next to it for a size comparison
I will see if we can do that.
@@Hyce777 Going to be difficult as there is no track as far as I know, maybe try walking 30 feet from the side of the loco taking a photo and put the photos next to each other?
For the people wondering the railroad did this in 1960, one year after the museum opened
The 5629 wasn't just ditched as I was there the day it arrived at the museum in 1963 & it actually took most of the day to move it in.
how big was the traffic jam?
@@OutbackCatgirl Not that bad as once they determined there was a problem. Just pulled off the road crossing then pushed back into the museum later in the day
Thought it was in very good shape to have been a neglected park display that somehow got dumped there.
Hyce, one of the reasons that I enjoy watching your channel, is that it’s obvious that you really love what you’re doing. Hope to meet you someday at the museum!
I actually love this so much. Props to who ever said, “don’t worry we got chu on delivery. “
What a funny story! I just got back from Sheridan, which is probably why youtube decided to recommend this, and had a lot of fun photographing 5631. Needs a little bit of help now, though, but she still looks pretty good!
restore run on mainline
But seriously I wish someone would
Impossible.
No
Actually, copy boiler and put on a narrow gauge 4-8-8-4 chassis :V
no
Last time I saw 5629 in person it was serving as a stationary steam boiler across from the Q station in Lincoln Nebraska in 1961
Also support museum ships! They're *VERY* expensive to preserve! Off the top of my head, I know we've lost a Soviet submarine in California... I think it was either a Foxtrot or Kilo-class boat, if I remember right. There's been some others, but I can't recall them off the top of my head. Thankfully, USS Texas has just entered a long overdue drydocking. USS The Sullivans suffered some unexpected flooding earlier this year, but last I heard has been fixed, and no artifacts aboard were damaged. (IIRC, they had some minor leaks around the vessel which were well handled by various pumps, but an overnight power failure lead to the pumps stopping and somehow the flooding became at lot worse.)
Thanks @Hyce ! I'm considering building a 7-1/4" gauge version of something very similar to this engine and the closeup shots you've provided will be invaluable.
That whole "Sometimes it's better to beg for forgiveness than ask for permission" thing.
This might actually be a "Sometimes it's better to ask for forgiveness than beg for permission" thing.
Building tracks across the road, a project like this, you would have had to BEG for permission, not ask.
So moral of the story is C3PO got scrapped by the sand people when Luke got distracted by his responsibilities. Got it.
I love the size of these types of standard gauge locomotives. Lots of power!! Don't worry I still love small non-standard gauge locos too. Love all the sizes even live steam models. Nice in-deapth detail look at this powerhorse
Your friendly CB&Q enjoyer is very happy with this one
The O5b is favorite of mine. The look of the Mars Light atop the Headlight with the cast pilot gives it a really beefy "gtfo of the way" appearance
What a fascinating and handsome looking example of a steam locomotive, Burlington Route 5629 is an impressive sight to observe and this locomotive is one of four surviving CB&Q rr 4-8-4 type engines. It is unfortunate that Burlington Route 5632 was scrapped in 1972 but at least there are the Burlington Route 5614, 5629,5631 and 5633 that have been preserved for display viewing at various locations (5631 and 5633) are both on display in Wyoming from information sources that I've personally researched. This was a great and enjoyable video.
Definitely a interesting story on how the museum “acquired” this engine
Would like to see it restored. You guys are great . letting the engine stay thier . Thank you have a great week
fantastic!! love how much this guy laughs at its size!!
I really want to see the 5629 run!!
I want too!
yeah not likely
@@yeoldeseawitch I know! 😆🙂😕
@@yeoldeseawitch mmm no not really if they either donated or had enough money to send it to be restored they could fix it but this museum can only display it so it’s better if they donate it to a museum or railroad society to then be donated again to a place that will run it
You, me, everyone... who's got a spare million lying around, lol!
My great grandfather worked for the CB&Q here in Galesburg IL
Nice find on the footage of 5629 being pushed across 44th. I have to admit, I feel a bit guilty for having visited the Coors tourist center more than the R.R. Museum when I'm in the area. Being that I'm closer to Carson City, you can imagine I'm more used to seeing The Glenbrook at the NV State R.R. Museum and the rest of the V&TR.
Maybe if you guys could expand the property and dual track a large run, she could be restored and get up and running...
Hopefully she can get back to working one day.
Just a clarification, but I do not believe there were any 4-8-4s with drivers taller than 80 inches. There were several 4-6-4s with 84 inch drivers. The well known large passenger 4-8-4s from roads like the UP, SP, and ATSF had 80 inch drivers and 300 lbs boiler pressure, but a good portion of 4-8-4s built for roads with more of a freight focus ran with drivers that were between 69 and 72 inches and lower boiler pressure. Most 4-8-4s ended up with rated starting tractive efforts between 55,000 and 72,000 lbs. There were a few outliers like the N&W J, which after having its boiler pressure raised from 275 to 300, was rated at 80,000, but that came with a low factor of adhesion, since the locomotive was sized for the original 72k TE.
Oh gotcha! I knew bigger drivers existed, just wasn't sure on what classes. Thanks for the clarification!
That is definitely my new favorite Railroad story; thanks for sharing Hyce
Do you think you could do an in-depth video on feedwater heaters and their types and how to operate them? Could make for an interesting steam 101 video.
I would need to learn those things first :P
I remember being inside the cab and thinking how massive it was when my only steam locomotive experience was with 346. Also, the rotary and some other equipment was still on the siding across the road when I volunteered there in 1994/1995.
It seemed strange to see 346 going the “wrong way” in the linked video.
I sure enjoyed this! For such an analog machine they were complicated and magnificent. I recall being trackside next to the UP 844 many years ago, and being amazed by the sheer size and presence of something that works on systems developed 160 years ago. Thanks for sharing, my man!
The big ones really are impressive. 5629 isn't quite as big as 844, but it's close. Very neat stuff.
How it got there (4:58) ROFLMAO!!! That is too funny, and thanks for putting a smile in my heart!
I like to think it was the work of one sentimental old engineer who now was management, who didn't want to see his beloved locomotive scrapped, and hatched a sneaky plan to drop the locomotive off where he knew they would just be like "yeah...its here now, sure we'll keep it."
8:00 I want to see the body cam footage of that encounter.
5629 is my FAVORITE locomotive on the property. Maybe in the entire state of Colorado. Lol. Many thanks for documenting this gorgeous locomotive. Did not know about the roller bearing deal on the tender. May the person or people responsible for sending 5632 to the scrapper forever burn in hell. 🤗. Ah the 1960's in Chicago.......The worst decade in American history. Another amazing video nonetheless Hyce! Well done!
Just imagining the first guy seeing it as he comes into work. Opens the door to where it was, and 5629 sitting there.
“Hello!”
“How in the-“
I was wondering how they got the engines and cars to the museum, had to build some track to it.
Love the CRRM, always fun volunteering there. Would love to get this close to this large lad myself, but that’s a dream for another day!
At 12:49 the clouds make 5629 look like it's in steam
Great to be able to learn a bit about that locomotive, I was wondering about it when looking at photos of it a few days ago. Thanks for another cool video!
Some British locos had hollow axels, not only did it reduce unsprung weight by quite a few tonnes, (yes really...) it also allowed the inside of the axle to be inspected for cracks.
I live in Pennsylvania... I am less than a mile from a Rail Yard and I'm old enough to remember Steam Locomotives passing by.... We also have a Museum about an hour away down in Strasburg which is pretty cool....
I'll read some of my Burlington route books as a citizen of Burlington most of my heritage is around Burlington route I will look at my locomotive downtown and figure out more
Yeah that thumbnail just about shows the intimidating size of standard gauge 😂. Also shoutout to Hyce for showing how great of game Derail Valley is. I bought it and I’m enjoying it (even though I might have made everything have a Pennsy livery). Great Video Hyce👍
Oh my Mark for some reason I missed seeing this video when it originally aired. Of course I throughly enjoyed it. 5629 is absolutely amazing! Everything scaled up to gigantic size 😂. 100mph GD! That would be so awesome to operate. Thanks for giving us this great learning tour. Many thanks for sharing and cheers Professor extraordinaire!
11:17, I can't imagine the fun they had, pressing the cast iron cylinder liners. I presume they used heat-shrink fit, so they'd have one go to get it all the way in. No pressure then....
10:14 I have a guess as to why only the rear truck of the engine has friction bearings. The old truck was worn out/broken, and they put a spare on.
We had a grade crossing on our access road for our plant, which also provided access to two other businesses. The railroad would not pay for repairs to the crossing as it was a private drive. So as the three businesses were deciding how to equitably share the cost of the repairs, the railroad got tired of waiting and removed the grade crossing completely. We all just tried to show up for work one morning and there were concrete barriers across the road and MOW equipment tearing up the crossing. So now all traffic has to take a 2 mile detour to come in the back road.
Love all these informative videos! Such a neat history behind the 5629
Convert it to a narrow gauge and run it at the museum 😂
I love 4-8-4 engines like these, you are living my dream rn
I completely didnt realize that this museum was near Golden. I am gonna have to see if we cant pop by there one day when we take my dad to the V.A center in Aurora.
I don't know why, but this bad boy needs a giant Mad Max cow catcher!
Would love to see more of this
Please make a playlist for videos like this, they are my favorite
Should be in the "railroads offline" playlist, which is specific to anything filmed for real.
My guess on the plain bearing tender truck was it probably got swapped out before the locomotive was donated because the RR needed the roller bearing truck for a replacement on another locomotive. But just a guess.
Great story on how it got there I had never heard it before!
reminds me of the Santa Fe 5k the "Madame Queen" probably the only loco ive every been that close to
You need to come down to ABQ and see our girl the AT&SF 2926. She's a bit bigger than the 5629 and did around the same speed, and she also got ding-dong-ditched at a park. Old girl's still got some power, and the wonderful folks at the NMSL&RHS got her running again, and that whistle sings like a bird!
I need to come see it very badly! unfortunately the open house this weekend is during my peak "have to work" hours...
That's a real shame. Maybe next year you can come see her. You might even be able to get a cab ride if all goes well.
Hello dude and that is a beast of a train, oh and if you are below 6' 1 1/2" I might be a hair taller that the bottom of the cab, another thing we need a video on the rotary snow plow please
I am 5'10" without my boots, vaguely 6' with them. Yes, we will talk about the rotary.
@@Hyce777 ok
74” drivers is quite normal for an upper midwest 4-8-4. The Rock Island R-67-B and the Milwaukee Road S-3 had 74” drivers.
I would love to see you do an in-depth discussion on the differences between Baker and Walschaerts valve gear. You have such a great way of explaining stuff to those of us who don't know.
I remember going to the Csrm just to see 5629, shame I didn’t do more
There's a big old Northern that was Frisco's in Tulsa with 6ft ,maybe 74" drivers on static display. It has hideous paint but it's there, it's huge and it's cool.
4-8-4s are actually medium-sized in comparison to a Big Boy for example. An 0-6-0 is puny in comparison to something like 5629 or 4449
5629 is small compared to 4449 though, is the thing. 72" vs. 80", 4x 6" difference changes the spacing a lot... etc. but yes, an 0-6-0 is smaller for sure. Though the one we have is actually pretty big...
question: have you ever thought about taking the 5 chime whistle off the 5629 and putting it on the 491 I assume if that would happen you probably have to Restore it first since it’s probably been sitting on the engine for years out in the elements but it would be nice to hear the whistle again
Thought about it many times :)
Would it possible though?
@@paytongauthier6452 yes
My dream since my freshman or sophomore year of high school was to get my senior pictures taken there came true on 9/11/19, and it was in front of the locomotive I dreamed of, CBQ 5629. It was originally going to be in front of ATSF 2912 in Pueblo but a 2018 grad stole my idea.
And this is why I like larger gauges, so much power and scale.
I was think about what you said about your restoration, and I thought that it would be hilarious if ypu restored 5629 to operation, then did exactly what the CB&Q did and just build a track over the road without anyone previously knowing then quickly moved 5629 over it to the mainline then dismantled it as quickly as you came.
I volunteered there about 10 years ago, the version I heard was slightly different. The locomotive was on the aforementioned siding across the ditch and street from the museum. The museum got permission from the city to build a temporary track across the road, but the ditch company were jerks about letting them build a temporary bridge. Thus "one night the locomotive was on the siding, the next morning it was on museum grounds, nobody knows what happened." Your version sounds a little more embellished, but also likely more accurate given that you have more connections there, probably heard the story from those closer to actual witnesses.
One other little technical question - I notice that this locomotive, and most others I've seen (including #40, though with #491 an exception) has inside bearings on the leading truck and outside bearings on the trailing truck, why is this? Is it for cylinder clearance on either side of the forward truck and firebox between the rear?
I have since the video heard about the bridge issue. Whether or not there was approval otherwise, I guess the bridge piece was never approved, hence the issue. I wouldn't be surprised if I've gotten more of an embellished story of the deal. Haha.
I am not sure myself on your inside vs. outside question. I'd imagine it's a geometry thing but I don't honestly know.
Cylinder clearance does sound right. That might explain why the GWR King (6000) class has inside bearings on the trailing axle of the front truck, but not the lead axle!
@@JohnGeorgeBauerBuis Interesting note - I looked up photos of that class and sure enough, the first axle of the lead truck has outside bearings and springs, the second has inside bearings and it looks like the same bearing box/spring arrangement on the rear axle would interfere with the cylinders. Most probably do the same (inside or outside) for all wheels on a given truck, that class is an exception - I'm guessing it's easier to build either all-inside or all-outside on a given truck, plus using the same parts (axle, bearings, etc), the King class must have had some specific reason to need to do it that way - cylinder clearance on the rear, must have some other reason to need outside bearings on the front.
This was my favorite piece at the museum! I really wish it could be saved since her working sister was murdered after her brief excursion service. She may not be as large as her sisters, like SP 4449, UP 8444, GN 2584 and others but the CB&Q had some absolutely amazing engines like the 1511! Loudest engine ever!
Edit: I've seen Frisco 4524, which is very similar to the O-5s and it's story is very similar, but the train went through a neighborhood!!!
5629 is gone, get over it.
@@Sparecards You mean 5632?
@@jayyy3_yt295 No, that one is still around
CB&Q 5632 is gone and 5629 is still out here what you talking bout?
@@Sparecards Your getting it very confused pls do your research unless your talking about GTW 5629
So, I live where C&O use to haul coal out, and they had diesels at the time they hauled coal pass the town I live in, but they had 4-8-4s similar to 5629, and I’ve always thought “you have tracks here, just fix the issues they have, get a locomotive and some passenger cars, and have a small scenic railroad, but no, they turned it into a walking trail, 36 miles from where the tiphill was to where the end of the line was
Not to mention that one of it's siblings at one point ran excursions in the 1960's then hard times came and then it derailed and scrapped.
Great to see she is still there, I enjoyed the Museum. ( have you done anything with that Rio Grande GP-30 ) ???
cheers from Australia.
Yes we have! Check out my recent video, "a 60 year old diesel gets it's 2nd paint job".
Wow. Great bit of history and a nice engine! Looks from the surface that this is not a terrible candidate for restoration?
Not terrible, just one of those "why" things as far as operational restoration is considered.
@@Hyce777 agreed. i know we can’t restore them all. she just looks damn good !
Thats gotta be one of the funniest things ive heard 🤣 i really need to get out west and visit the museum! My love of trians is slowly coming Back
Their law enforcement in that area must be the most unreliable department ever. They laid a makeshift track, moved a steam locomotive across a major roadway, then picked the track up and was well on their way before any law enforcement was called, noticed anything, or even drove by. That would not be a ten minute job and we're done.
To be fair 50yr ago there was way less traffic and no cellphones so someone had to notice them drive all the way back (probably home) and then call the police the response time is still ridiculous tho
To hear that choo choo go toot toot would be amazing
To add my little aside to the end bit of almost preserved steam engines.
(A little bit of context, cause I doubt many people really know about this)
So, I live in Newfoundland, and that had a 3’6” railway all across the island. During its hay-day, it used largely 2 classes of steam locomotives, 1000’s & 150’s. They where built 1920s-1940s and worked up until the 1950s I think.
When they where being withdrawn, CN asked if the city of St. John’s (NL’s capital) if they wanted to have a 1000, unfortunately the city gov said no.
Now there’s only 2 Newfoundland steam loco preserved, a 150, 593, the second is a small 1880s 0-6-0ST, but I don’t believe it has much upkeep.
Anyway, if anyone else wants to know more about the railways of Newfoundland, I can probably help.
Im just now wondering how long did it take the workers at the museum that a new choo choo just showed up cuz you got think just showing up to the museum in early morning in the 60s to wake up the choo choos and would you notice immediately or was it there for some time before noticing
based on the footage the museum was in on it. it was Golden that didn't know lol
between planning and logistics, things just get left as is, because the times sometimes change faster than your own timetable
thats the best explanation/theory as to why only one truck was roller and the other was frictional
the other is probably because the front trucks were wearing out oddly and much faster than the rear
you gotta use what you have
For that feedwater heater, is the main pump up under the smokebox? Thought I saw on the engineers side a centrifugal booster pump mounted crosswise under the cab. It looks like it's a Elesco FW heater, a 5 or 5S model, can't see the plumbing on top where the stack is. I've been trying to research the plumbing on them a bit and it seems like there really wasn't any standard and it was just however it fit and the felt like installing it. There should be a oil skimmer in the middle front section of the water tank with an overflow down through the bottom of the tank too, which means there are water (condensate actually) lines that run back to the tender as well.
Huh, I'll have to look again. There are a few water pumps or etc. under the cab.
The feedwater heater is a Worthington SA type
I been WONDERING how you guys some of that stuff to the museum because I was looking at it on gmaps and didn't see anything!
Your just commuting to work in the 70s and all the sudden a train track appears out of nowhere on the state road.
Would this engine still be an operating condition mechanically as far as how the boiler checks out and the wear parts on the locomotive go? Would be cool if you had some tractor run it on since it is a standard gauge