The railroad "Ding-dong-ditched" a GIANT STEAM ENGINE at the Museum?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 10 ก.ค. 2024
- Holy crap, there's footage of the 5629 being pushed across 44th. • 1969 CHICAGO BURLINGTO...
5629 is a super cool 4-8-4 locomotive built by and run by the CB&Q, the Chicago Burlington and Quincy. It's the biggest engine we have at the @crrm !
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The 4 left are the 5614 (in St. Joseph, MO), the 5629, the 5631, and the 5633. The Grand Trunk 5632 is also still around (its a sister to the 5629 which Jensen owned and was scrapped as well). I've always thought that it would be cool for y'alls 5629 and the Grand Trunk 5632 to both run again. Kind of a tribute to the CB&Q 5632 and the GTW 5629
Just FYI, 5614 has been moved. It got dragged off to pennsylvania for restoration and it's supposed to be put back in service again in st joe when it's done. No idea how long that will take or what exactly they plan on doing with it beyond some vague heritage railroad stuff.
Oh - also, worth checking out there's a pretty cool 1894 CB&Q 4-4-0 #35 sitting in the pattee house museum less than a mile from where 5614 was sitting.
@@ColonelSandersLite No, hate to tell you but that is false. Nothing happening with the 5614 as of right now.
#5629 was built at the West Burlington, Iowa Shops(which still stand and are used for occasional BNSF operations). There's a there's a small CB&Q 4-6-4 Hudson Class #3003 is currently sitting down by the Burlington depot. Which that depot is falling apart. It's a big piece of history and it's falling apart.
@@NEAFarmKid4010 Well, I read that this was gonna happening back in the spring. I suppose I can just drive by it later today for a visual quick check of whether or not it's still there.
*Decides to donate locomotive to a museum.
*Tacks it on to an end of freight train.
*Builds tracks over major roadway.
*Blocks said roadway in the process.
*Drops off locomotive via said tracks.
*Refuses to elaborate further.
*Removes tracks.
*Leaves.
Absolutely magical.
literally what i was thinking
"In and out. 20 minute adventure." - Rick Sanchez
Apparently, according to what Dusty was telling me last night after I had filmed, was that there was issues with whether or not the locomotive would damage the drainage channels by passing over.
Turns out, via one experiment, it didn't, but that didn't leave folks happy... lol!
@@Hyce777 The way you word it, does that mean Dusty confirmed that the museum had been notified ahead of time about the delivery?
EDIT: Never mind; saw one of your other comments saying as much.
@@drsemiauto4215 "3 hours later" evil laughter.
imagine a class 1 railroad just randomly dropping off a 4-8-4 in your backyard
I'm down.
@@lazerlake Absolutely, I could handle one EMD FP45.
Proof that they can run it on the main line to my house.
That's the dream.
My neighbors would hate me, at every big holiday I'd go out and fire up till I have enough pressure to play that whistle just once like going through a grade crossing...yeah they'll be hatin on me 🤣
I still can’t believe that they literally ding dong ditched a 4-8-4 at the museum, I’ve heard the story so many times and it still cracks me up
Commodore Vanderbilt said "the public be damned", and the railroads' attitude hasn't changed one whit in the subsequent century and a half.
Sounds like 5632 fought against being scrapped. I like to think the scrapping process went really, really badly.
My guess regarding the dissimilar trucks on the tender is that something failed on one of the trucks on the tender and they swapped in a truck from another tender awaiting the scrapper's torch.
That seems likely. I just checked photos of the other three CB&Q O5s that survive, and they all have plain bearings on all six tender axles.
Ding dong ditching a whole ass locomotive has to be the coolest thing ever
I've been on quite the narrow gauge kick lately so I forgot how massive standard gauge is lmao, as you said that thing is ONE OF THE SMALLER ONES. Absolutely ridiculous lol
I'm the opposite. I have been on a couple of standard gauge locomotives (got to ride on the footplate), but never saw a narrow gauge one from up close. It would probably look like a toy train to me :)
especially us standart gauge locomotives are HUGE. like in germany we have bigger steam locomotives too (like the br01 or 03 class) but these are all small compared to us ones.
Love that All-Weather Cab. I could only imagine how warm it must be in there on a hot summer's day.
When I was a kid we lived in Denver. My favorite place to visit (other than Caboose Hobbies) was the Colorado Railroad Museum. I remember us visiting one time and climbing up into the cab of 5629 (against the rules.. My dad is a rebel) and my mom might have pictures somewhere of my siblings and I in front of the valve gear. Great memories :)
That's awesome. :) I wish I could've shown the cab, not this time though...
I'm not too sure that it would be against the rules because it's not able to be operated without making it obvious and plus there are no tracks, someone could steal something however anything in the cab isn't worth anything and would be again very obvious to try and steal because you would need tools.
I did something similar on the sole surviving I1a. The TSRR had a bunch of the locomotive they have pulled out for a 4th of July event, and that year, they weren't allowing people into the Cabs, but I climbed up onto 610 anyways to get a picture of its cab
I miss Caboose Hobbies. I remember my dad would take me there all the time when we visited Denver from Colorado Springs. Now that I’m a father I was excited to take my son there… that’s when I found out it is no longer there…
@@idcanthony9286what happened to it
As to the 5629 being ditched I was there in person the day it was donated in 1963 as part of the NRHS Convention in Denver which 5632 had pulled an excursion train from Chicago to Denver. It took most of the day to back it into the museum.
That's amazing that you were there! I bet that was cool to witness.
@@Hyce777yes it was a very interesting operation to witness plus having the opportunity to ride behind #5632 while in Denver
Standard gauge steam locomotives always amazed me by their sheer size ever since I was young. From the towering drivers to just how tall the locomotive itself was. They were truly IMMENSE machines. I had no idea about this. Thanks as always for sharing!
Watching again. You said about the railroad basically being in charge. I was a professional ATSSA certified traffic control coordinator. I was operating a TMA for a lane closure on I76 in Philly so penndot could use a reach under thing to inspect a bridge. Under our work zone was a NS line and a few spurs for them to park rolling stock. When a train was approaching they had to stop the bridge inspection until the train passed. 100ft Under us. They had plenty of overhead clearnce but a railroad manager on our job site on the bridge to let us well penndot know when to take the reacher bucket up. Because the railroad has right of way.
the mismatch in the tender trucks feels like a "we need to get this out of the shop, just use whatever fits" solution. Likely was done towards the end of steam on the CB&Q
Need to put one of the narrow gauge locos next to it for a size comparison
I will see if we can do that.
@@Hyce777 Going to be difficult as there is no track as far as I know, maybe try walking 30 feet from the side of the loco taking a photo and put the photos next to each other?
The CB&Q O-5s are some of my favorite locomotives of all time. Everything from their massive power output, to their very unique looks. I just love those engines so much.
I was hoping you'd go up in the cab, though the story of how it got there is really funny.
Unfortunately, the cab and firebox have a bit of a rat problem. It's not safe for now. Again... on the list. Unfortunate for sure.
@@Hyce777 So Rebuild Rescue's TB20 was a birdhouse, and this thing is a rat house? That's interesting.
@@sambrown6426 places to hide outdoors tend to attract wildlife, it seems. lol
@@Hyce777 So it would seem. I'm just worried that their urine could corrode the metal. I know mouse urine is highly corrosive, so I'd assume the same is true of rats.
restore run on mainline
But seriously I wish someone would
Impossible.
No
Actually, copy boiler and put on a narrow gauge 4-8-8-4 chassis :V
no
Ive been waiting for this story since you alluded to it a while back. Im glad shes 100% complete, a great example of what was. Thats shitty about the 5632. The footage of 5629 being pushed across is awesome. That was def a "hurry up and lets do this before the cops show up cause screw a permit" kinda thing. I love it!
I thought they made panels... the fact they just fucking came out and spiked the shit in, is incredible. lol
@@Hyce777 were panels even a thing back then?
@@JonsGarage89 idk
What footage?
@@SpaceSoups exactly.
The 5629 wasn't just ditched as I was there the day it arrived at the museum in 1963 & it actually took most of the day to move it in.
how big was the traffic jam?
@@OutbackCatgirl Not that bad as once they determined there was a problem. Just pulled off the road crossing then pushed back into the museum later in the day
Thought it was in very good shape to have been a neglected park display that somehow got dumped there.
For the people wondering the railroad did this in 1960, one year after the museum opened
So moral of the story is C3PO got scrapped by the sand people when Luke got distracted by his responsibilities. Got it.
Last time I saw 5629 in person it was serving as a stationary steam boiler across from the Q station in Lincoln Nebraska in 1961
Also support museum ships! They're *VERY* expensive to preserve! Off the top of my head, I know we've lost a Soviet submarine in California... I think it was either a Foxtrot or Kilo-class boat, if I remember right. There's been some others, but I can't recall them off the top of my head. Thankfully, USS Texas has just entered a long overdue drydocking. USS The Sullivans suffered some unexpected flooding earlier this year, but last I heard has been fixed, and no artifacts aboard were damaged. (IIRC, they had some minor leaks around the vessel which were well handled by various pumps, but an overnight power failure lead to the pumps stopping and somehow the flooding became at lot worse.)
9:54 you just solved a long mystery for me. I always would dig around a 1920s train wreck in panama illinois as a kid, and I have a lot of treasure I found. I found one of those bearing lids when I was a kid and have always wondered where exactly they were on the train. That makes me so happy.
I really want to see the 5629 run!!
I want too!
yeah not likely
@@yeoldeseawitch I know! 😆🙂😕
@@yeoldeseawitch mmm no not really if they either donated or had enough money to send it to be restored they could fix it but this museum can only display it so it’s better if they donate it to a museum or railroad society to then be donated again to a place that will run it
You, me, everyone... who's got a spare million lying around, lol!
That whole "Sometimes it's better to beg for forgiveness than ask for permission" thing.
This might actually be a "Sometimes it's better to ask for forgiveness than beg for permission" thing.
Building tracks across the road, a project like this, you would have had to BEG for permission, not ask.
Maybe if you guys could expand the property and dual track a large run, she could be restored and get up and running...
Hopefully she can get back to working one day.
I love the size of these types of standard gauge locomotives. Lots of power!! Don't worry I still love small non-standard gauge locos too. Love all the sizes even live steam models. Nice in-deapth detail look at this powerhorse
Great to be able to learn a bit about that locomotive, I was wondering about it when looking at photos of it a few days ago. Thanks for another cool video!
Love all these informative videos! Such a neat history behind the 5629
Would like to see it restored. You guys are great . letting the engine stay thier . Thank you have a great week
Love the CRRM, always fun volunteering there. Would love to get this close to this large lad myself, but that’s a dream for another day!
What a funny story! I just got back from Sheridan, which is probably why youtube decided to recommend this, and had a lot of fun photographing 5631. Needs a little bit of help now, though, but she still looks pretty good!
That is definitely my new favorite Railroad story; thanks for sharing Hyce
The O5b is favorite of mine, I always love the look of the Mars Light atop the Headlight
Hyce, one of the reasons that I enjoy watching your channel, is that it’s obvious that you really love what you’re doing. Hope to meet you someday at the museum!
Definitely a interesting story on how the museum “acquired” this engine
Thanks @Hyce ! I'm considering building a 7-1/4" gauge version of something very similar to this engine and the closeup shots you've provided will be invaluable.
fantastic!! love how much this guy laughs at its size!!
Oh my Mark for some reason I missed seeing this video when it originally aired. Of course I throughly enjoyed it. 5629 is absolutely amazing! Everything scaled up to gigantic size 😂. 100mph GD! That would be so awesome to operate. Thanks for giving us this great learning tour. Many thanks for sharing and cheers Professor extraordinaire!
I've heard of people leaving babies on a doorstep, but never before have I heard of someone dropping off a locomotive at a doorstep like an unwanted baby.
This museum is great! I hope to visit again soon.
What a fascinating and handsome looking example of a steam locomotive, Burlington Route 5629 is an impressive sight to observe and this locomotive is one of four surviving CB&Q rr 4-8-4 type engines. It is unfortunate that Burlington Route 5632 was scrapped in 1972 but at least there are the Burlington Route 5614, 5629,5631 and 5633 that have been preserved for display viewing at various locations (5631 and 5633) are both on display in Wyoming from information sources that I've personally researched. This was a great and enjoyable video.
I have a couple old railroads across America discs and on one of them this exact locomotive was used to show how locomotives are classed based on wheel arrangement
I sure enjoyed this! For such an analog machine they were complicated and magnificent. I recall being trackside next to the UP 844 many years ago, and being amazed by the sheer size and presence of something that works on systems developed 160 years ago. Thanks for sharing, my man!
The big ones really are impressive. 5629 isn't quite as big as 844, but it's close. Very neat stuff.
Nice find on the footage of 5629 being pushed across 44th. I have to admit, I feel a bit guilty for having visited the Coors tourist center more than the R.R. Museum when I'm in the area. Being that I'm closer to Carson City, you can imagine I'm more used to seeing The Glenbrook at the NV State R.R. Museum and the rest of the V&TR.
I love 4-8-4 engines like these, you are living my dream rn
Yeah that thumbnail just about shows the intimidating size of standard gauge 😂. Also shoutout to Hyce for showing how great of game Derail Valley is. I bought it and I’m enjoying it (even though I might have made everything have a Pennsy livery). Great Video Hyce👍
Their law enforcement in that area must be the most unreliable department ever. They laid a makeshift track, moved a steam locomotive across a major roadway, then picked the track up and was well on their way before any law enforcement was called, noticed anything, or even drove by. That would not be a ten minute job and we're done.
To be fair 50yr ago there was way less traffic and no cellphones so someone had to notice them drive all the way back (probably home) and then call the police the response time is still ridiculous tho
Hello dude and that is a beast of a train, oh and if you are below 6' 1 1/2" I might be a hair taller that the bottom of the cab, another thing we need a video on the rotary snow plow please
I am 5'10" without my boots, vaguely 6' with them. Yes, we will talk about the rotary.
@@Hyce777 ok
man wish a railroad ding dong ditch a loco at my door lol but in all serious such a neat story and awesome video Hyce!!
How it got there (4:58) ROFLMAO!!! That is too funny, and thanks for putting a smile in my heart!
5629 is my FAVORITE locomotive on the property. Maybe in the entire state of Colorado. Lol. Many thanks for documenting this gorgeous locomotive. Did not know about the roller bearing deal on the tender. May the person or people responsible for sending 5632 to the scrapper forever burn in hell. 🤗. Ah the 1960's in Chicago.......The worst decade in American history. Another amazing video nonetheless Hyce! Well done!
Not to mention that one of it's siblings at one point ran excursions in the 1960's then hard times came and then it derailed and scrapped.
I would love to see you do an in-depth discussion on the differences between Baker and Walschaerts valve gear. You have such a great way of explaining stuff to those of us who don't know.
I remember being inside the cab and thinking how massive it was when my only steam locomotive experience was with 346. Also, the rotary and some other equipment was still on the siding across the road when I volunteered there in 1994/1995.
It seemed strange to see 346 going the “wrong way” in the linked video.
My great grandfather worked for the CB&Q here in Galesburg IL
I actually love this so much. Props to who ever said, “don’t worry we got chu on delivery. “
Do you think you could do an in-depth video on feedwater heaters and their types and how to operate them? Could make for an interesting steam 101 video.
I would need to learn those things first :P
I live in Pennsylvania... I am less than a mile from a Rail Yard and I'm old enough to remember Steam Locomotives passing by.... We also have a Museum about an hour away down in Strasburg which is pretty cool....
Thank you Hyce I learned lots about viedos I myself train authueist just fascinating thank you Tommy
Great video! Learned a lot.
My favorite engine at this museum!
I'll read some of my Burlington route books as a citizen of Burlington most of my heritage is around Burlington route I will look at my locomotive downtown and figure out more
Thats gotta be one of the funniest things ive heard 🤣 i really need to get out west and visit the museum! My love of trians is slowly coming Back
I don't know why, but this bad boy needs a giant Mad Max cow catcher!
Would love to see more of this
I remember going to the Csrm just to see 5629, shame I didn’t do more
Some British locos had hollow axels, not only did it reduce unsprung weight by quite a few tonnes, (yes really...) it also allowed the inside of the axle to be inspected for cracks.
My guess on the plain bearing tender truck was it probably got swapped out before the locomotive was donated because the RR needed the roller bearing truck for a replacement on another locomotive. But just a guess.
Great story on how it got there I had never heard it before!
Your friendly CB&Q enjoyer is very happy with this one
I completely didnt realize that this museum was near Golden. I am gonna have to see if we cant pop by there one day when we take my dad to the V.A center in Aurora.
When I was little I remember the ROTARY sitting off of 44th!!
Please make a playlist for videos like this, they are my favorite
Should be in the "railroads offline" playlist, which is specific to anything filmed for real.
Great story. I liked the part where they laid track wherever they wanted like it was nothing. It conjures up images of them laying track through a mcdonalds drivethru in the middle of the night to pickup lunch the next day.
awesome video man
I was think about what you said about your restoration, and I thought that it would be hilarious if ypu restored 5629 to operation, then did exactly what the CB&Q did and just build a track over the road without anyone previously knowing then quickly moved 5629 over it to the mainline then dismantled it as quickly as you came.
reminds me of the Santa Fe 5k the "Madame Queen" probably the only loco ive every been that close to
I like to think it was the work of one sentimental old engineer who now was management, who didn't want to see his beloved locomotive scrapped, and hatched a sneaky plan to drop the locomotive off where he knew they would just be like "yeah...its here now, sure we'll keep it."
I was going to ask about this behemoth last episode, but I figured you had a video on it anyway
between planning and logistics, things just get left as is, because the times sometimes change faster than your own timetable
thats the best explanation/theory as to why only one truck was roller and the other was frictional
the other is probably because the front trucks were wearing out oddly and much faster than the rear
you gotta use what you have
Yay Mark you did it that is a good looking engine too bad she’s not on the best shape but I guess being outside for along as she has it’s nit too bad. Can you as a staff member go into the cab? Thanks man looking forward to seeing you do more on the locomotive. Jeff aka NW611J.
I can, just not safely. Unfortunately, the cab is contaminated with Hantavirus; a lot of non-public locos and cars at the museum experience this, and it's a fight to get them cleaned up. Time and money... we'll get there.
@@Hyce777 aww I hear you man no worries I want you to be safe man hope you guys can make that engine look better and safer. Dose that engine still habe its asbestos jacket on the boiler still? Thanks man your friend Jeff.
N95? but with the beard won’t seal.
I have an idea for it once you guys (the museum) start doing restorations to the locomotive you could set up like a little platform and some stairs and open the cab up also, just an early morning drunk thought
Wow. Great bit of history and a nice engine! Looks from the surface that this is not a terrible candidate for restoration?
Not terrible, just one of those "why" things as far as operational restoration is considered.
@@Hyce777 agreed. i know we can’t restore them all. she just looks damn good !
To add my little aside to the end bit of almost preserved steam engines.
(A little bit of context, cause I doubt many people really know about this)
So, I live in Newfoundland, and that had a 3’6” railway all across the island. During its hay-day, it used largely 2 classes of steam locomotives, 1000’s & 150’s. They where built 1920s-1940s and worked up until the 1950s I think.
When they where being withdrawn, CN asked if the city of St. John’s (NL’s capital) if they wanted to have a 1000, unfortunately the city gov said no.
Now there’s only 2 Newfoundland steam loco preserved, a 150, 593, the second is a small 1880s 0-6-0ST, but I don’t believe it has much upkeep.
Anyway, if anyone else wants to know more about the railways of Newfoundland, I can probably help.
Thank God it's in your care . looks good . maybe it can steam again.
I was just thinking about this locomotive. And what’d ya know hyce made a video on her!
And this is why I like larger gauges, so much power and scale.
Great to see she is still there, I enjoyed the Museum. ( have you done anything with that Rio Grande GP-30 ) ???
cheers from Australia.
Yes we have! Check out my recent video, "a 60 year old diesel gets it's 2nd paint job".
I have watched the Colorado museum video of engine 5029 and it was a great story, i truly hope some day that I'm going to visit America and the museum 🐻💪🏻
You should!
@@Hyce777 I'll try to make it like in 2024 maybe. Then I can experience the museum and meeting at the same time. I also have a good friend I want to visit. It could be so fun Hyce.
Just imagining the first guy seeing it as he comes into work. Opens the door to where it was, and 5629 sitting there.
“Hello!”
“How in the-“
4-8-4s are actually medium-sized in comparison to a Big Boy for example. An 0-6-0 is puny in comparison to something like 5629 or 4449
5629 is small compared to 4449 though, is the thing. 72" vs. 80", 4x 6" difference changes the spacing a lot... etc. but yes, an 0-6-0 is smaller for sure. Though the one we have is actually pretty big...
I'd love a HO scale of this loco!
You need to come down to ABQ and see our girl the AT&SF 2926. She's a bit bigger than the 5629 and did around the same speed, and she also got ding-dong-ditched at a park. Old girl's still got some power, and the wonderful folks at the NMSL&RHS got her running again, and that whistle sings like a bird!
I need to come see it very badly! unfortunately the open house this weekend is during my peak "have to work" hours...
That's a real shame. Maybe next year you can come see her. You might even be able to get a cab ride if all goes well.
74” drivers is quite normal for an upper midwest 4-8-4. The Rock Island R-67-B and the Milwaukee Road S-3 had 74” drivers.
We had a grade crossing on our access road for our plant, which also provided access to two other businesses. The railroad would not pay for repairs to the crossing as it was a private drive. So as the three businesses were deciding how to equitably share the cost of the repairs, the railroad got tired of waiting and removed the grade crossing completely. We all just tried to show up for work one morning and there were concrete barriers across the road and MOW equipment tearing up the crossing. So now all traffic has to take a 2 mile detour to come in the back road.
I’ve always loved steam locomotives.
My dream since my freshman or sophomore year of high school was to get my senior pictures taken there came true on 9/11/19, and it was in front of the locomotive I dreamed of, CBQ 5629. It was originally going to be in front of ATSF 2912 in Pueblo but a 2018 grad stole my idea.
I been WONDERING how you guys some of that stuff to the museum because I was looking at it on gmaps and didn't see anything!
Got to see some cbaq steam on Sunday at my local railway museum