Sounds like an Oswald the Lucky Rabbit situation. Disney parks always featured the mouse but by technicality the first creation was Oswald and he got left in the dust until that videogame brought him back up and not only that Oswald had animosity towards Mickey at the start of that game
There's more evidence that supports this theory. When you get off the ride to fix Rambly's Railroad, there is a sign on the wall that says Lloyd's Limos behind the Finley animatronic, and behind the stage, there is another sign for Lloyd's Limos. There is also a statue of Lloyd behind the stage that looks like the Rambly statue that stands next to the Issac Indigo statue.
The title did just kinda make me realize that we haven't actually found out if the hate is mutual yet. Mascot Lloyd has no lines, and Cutout Lloyd doesn't seem to even react to Rambley's obvious disdain of him. I am now expecting a "Lloyd is incredibly depressed and all the boistering is a coping mechanism" plotpoint for a later chapter. I'm gonna be generous to Rambley and assume that he was/is not aware of this, and will apologize for being such a douche to Lloyd if he finds out. ...Also, I guess I found a new explanation for animatronic Mollie's "He hurt Lloyd" line so that's fun
im still not sure why mollie say's not rambley, he hurt lloyd. it could be referencing old park staff, but lloyd masking his true feelings by being loud and boisterous. and the theater is in a bit better condition than the rest of the park. our first encounters with lloyd is him being afraid of us, and i think he mightve been trying to warn us about something, which could explain why the critter cuff scared him away, because i fully believe that someone is accessing rambley's mainframe directly, and even though rambley can't see us, it doesnt mean that we still arent being watched by someone else, and whoever that is would obviously have a reason to prevent the player from learning about their existence, and it would explain why the critter cuff did not activate and scare off mollie, because rambley may not know that it can do that, or not even know it has that capability. whether due to age or programming. it might be a feature that can only be activated by a human park employee.
@@masterbond9 unlikely another living person is accessing the mainframe due to being abandoned for 8 years, but possible another character that the park bought to 'life'.
possible. I want to add the mini-game that might explain few things. Now Rambley Ai is more than a tour guide, he has access to many of the park system, even has eyes and monitors in staff area, can unlock/lock doors even in staff area, can provide critter cuffs via robotic arms and can even hire new employees (Rookie Rangler ). He's more than a guide, he's a tool to smartly administer the park. As such he might have been ordered, given directive to hurt Lloyd by higher ups. The park obviously bought the other characters to life in some way, as such they needed to maintain control of them and i think they used Rambley to control the others. but just my thoughts
another addendum I've seen floating around that I think might have some merit is that Rambley did exist before he was catapulted to "face of the company", and that was he was a duo with Salem. Think about it. It wouldn't be that far-flung for a raccoon and a skunk, two animals that are often labeled as "pest animals" be be a bad guy duo. Then, when they wanted to replace Lloyd, they picked the more popular of the two (Rambley) and maybe gave some explanation as to why he's a good guy now (the AI Rambley is very insistent on his friendship with Mollie) and the AI Rambley has no idea that he was paired this way with Salem. It'd even explain the scarf/neckerchief thing, since criminals in the old west covered their face with them when committing crimes, particularly train heists. (Since a lot of dust gets kicked up be the train and horses, it also helps with breathing. Gotta love efficiency.)
I absolutely loved this! I thought the theory was well-thought out and written, and that you touched on one of my favorite mysteries of the game. Most theorists are trying to figure out ‘Why did the park close down?’ or ‘What’s in store for us in chapter 2?’. While those are all great questions that need to be dwelled on, it seems like no one’s talking about Rambley’s distaste for Lloyd. It may just be me on this, but it seems like everyone’s assuming Rambley was *always* the mascot of the park. I definitely agree with several aspects of this, I think it’s a topic about this game that needs to be investigated more! Also, first you touch on one of my favorite games, Deltarune, and now Indigo Park?! Love your content, man!
It’s possible that Lloyd and Salem were the originals of the park and they used to be the Mickey and Pete in their cartoons and park performances. So when Mollie, Rambly, and Finley took in the spotlight, it separated those two by making Salam Rambly’s antagonist and Lloyd the most popular, but lonely, side-character of the batch. But because Lloyd and Salem were hero and villain characters, they didn’t think they were breaking a personal bond between them. And this caused them to further repress to their most unbearable and extreme traits (while their abuse was increased BTW), till they completely break down into the messes they are now. It’s highly likely that the Salem areas were destroyed because she despised the very role and identity they’ve given her. Since Mollie and Rambly left the train ride alone. Lloyd wanted to stay away from it and stay in the theater, where Rambly was unable to access it but cameras were watching you (meaning Salem was using the security cameras in this area and restricted from Rambly’s control). So the only one who would desire to destroy the Salem section of the ride and be capable of it would be Salem herself. This does make me wonder if we wouldn’t see the living Salem in any clothes simply because she despises her identity that much, unlike Mollie. And the purpose of the old-fashioned Lloyd plushie was to hint about the better oldie times Lloyd and Salem used to have before everything changed.
In the cast reveal video, Mason said that Lloyd and the others are friends, but he's pushing too hard There's really nothing more to it than envy and Lloyd being annoying to them
One thing that I think is worth mentioning is that Rambley is a CHARACTER from the universe. He could very well have a disdain for Lloyd because the characters hated each other in the in universe show or whatever. During the train ride Rambley seems to actually be following a script since his lines match up with the prerecorded cutouts lines, which to me leads me to think the two just hate each other in universe. edit also something that a lot of people don't seem to think about is that there could be more then one rambley. There is the AI one, but there was a costume one too, probably a living one and then the TV show one.
5:14 I'd like to give you a correction here. The newspaper in the intro cutscene that mentions the park closing is dated October 22, 2015. If the park has been closed for around 8 years, then the game takes place in 2023
Them representing different eras/generations of the park makes a lot of sense. MoFace had a similar theory playing with the similarities between the events after Walt Disney’s death and how it impacted the company via his brother being the one solely in charge.
Well, there’s not only the Oswald being replaced by Mickey thanks to other cartoonists at the time deciding to borrow Oswald for their cartoons, which made Disney mad, but also the Donald Duck gaining popularity over Mickey at one point according to Game Theory. Thanks to UniqeGeese being a Disney or Disney land fan, I think this theory or Game Theory’s theory about Lloyd gaining more popularity than Rambley could be true. I’m leaning more towards Rambley’s memory being corrupted or some other issue, like whatever happened had gotten some of Rambley’s hardware damaged. UniqeGeese did say while they were writing chapter 1, they felt it was sad so someone suggested the part where Rambley tells us about how the staff and visitors stopped coming a long time ago. I had a feeling it was like Rambley didn’t know the park had shut down and why for for most of chapter 1. I wouldn’t put it past Disney to have AI memories, camera footage, and more erased if something in the park went bad enough. So they could’ve erased his memory of that day either while it was happening or the day after or maybe Rambley chose to forget and somehow deleted it himself.
Given what someone told me, I think we have it backwards. I think Lloyd was due to replace Rambley just before everything went wrong. They keep saying that Rambley isn't the more popular of the two ingame.
Well, I must say you did an amazing job! I decided to take a break from Deltarune for a while. I can't wait to see what comes next for both these games.
0:50 generally most times people go to abandoned places at night because they’re less likely to get caught. ESPECIALLY if it’s a place that has security or police standing guard or worse patrolling.
The park closed in 2015 so the game is set in 2023. The characters started out in cartoons in the 1920's with the park being built later. The footage was either from the 1950's or 60's.
Yeah, the Intro Video does show Lloyd behind the Park's Founder, but he obviously got replaced by Rambley... and AI Rambley gets annoyed not just that he doesn't get a retro toy, but none of the other characters do either, other then Lloyd. Of course, in my own playthrough I realized there's a 5th character other then Rambley, Lloyd, Molley or Finley, and I asked myself "Who's Ol' Alice?" might be a very oblique reference to Alice Angel from Bendy as there's also a reference to Dayshift at Freddy's and FNAF' through that, but that doesn't stop there being a large stall right at the front of the park's Main Road, and one of the first things seen past the fountain. The Molley Mural at the entrance is damaged by whatever happened to the Park, but it's still Molley.
The fifth character's name is Salem, named after the town that famously had 19 people hanged on witchcraft charges in 1693 They're a troublemaker and always want to ruin Rambley's day, hiding behind her punk aesthetic Also she does alchemy, cool
@@_StarlightRose_ I know about Salem, and I think you skimmed my post a little too fast as you missed the “Other then Rambley” part, 5-1 is 4, but yes, including all 5 known characters the question becomes, Who is Ol’ Alice and is she a potential 6th Character.
@@QuestionDeca yeah I maybe did skim too fast through it There will be more characters introduced, so maybe we will see Alice I Wonder what Salem's attraction was Though to be honest, I never noticed the mentioning of a 6th character
@@_StarlightRose_ It's practically blink and you miss it, a relatively large Yellow Lemonade Stand with green trim and red roof, near the Rambley Fountain. "Ol' Alices' Shake-ups" None of the other shops reference a Person or Character in their name.
@@QuestionDeca Oh yeah, I remember the lemonade stand I just assumed that was the owner's name, but I guess it doesnt make sense with the raccoon cafe and other stuff in the park
"I'm the real star..." "Not Rambley!" *the two get into an arguement resulting in Lloyd getting injured* "He hurt Lloyd!" Pure speculation, but they specifically placed it just before we "meet" Lloyd and through a Mollie animatronic of all things. "Coincidence? I think not!"
When the animatronic says "hurt" I'm pretty sure it comes from the Mollie introduction where she says "it hardly hurts" or whatever it is, so this is not the proper order of words... Though that's very obvious because all three of the words in "he hurt lloyd" are cut up and put together. "not rambley" is the only thing that's missing context and that's in the correct order as well, and you might have an idea there.
It wouldn't be too far-fetched to Guess that Lloyd was the Park's original mascot considering that he seems to be the most popular out of all the characters I actually think we might see Lloyd again in Chapter 2 along with Salem the skunk and I think there'll be two of the aggressive characters that we meet in chapter 2 considering that skunks and lions can get really aggressive when they need to be
I guess it's an analogy of how Mickey Mouse, despite being the mascot of Disney, is significantly less popular than Donald Duck or Goofy, in the vein that his personality is too vanilla.
It's been great to hear another theory about Lambley's relationship with Lloyd! I'm getting even more curious about what happened to them in the past!🤔
Mason said the game takes place in 2023, and Ed even says that Lloyd never looked like the retro plush too So I don't think the cartoon is the reason for the retro plush, I would argue it was just money like the gold rambley plush In the cast reveal video, Mason also said that Lloyd and Rambley _are_ friends, but Lloyd is pushing it, meaning none of the other mascots particularly like him right now.
i think its just a reference to how the Indigo Park IP has existed for over a hundred years (just like Disney). It's probably just pre-recorded voice lines
@@_StarlightRose_ but think about if it isn’t prerecorded and the ai have been disconnected from their bodies. Like how Molly was revealed to be in a cage in the video game. She kept locked up while you fought her something that looked like her.
@@lockskelington314 Remember, Molly parrots things she's heard Including "get back in your cage, bird" The mascots were abused by the staff who were angry about being replaced As for why the Mol is in the cage in the arcade game? I couldn't tell you, could be Salem was trying to turn her against Rambley
There is also another character from Indigo Park I'm curious. Salem the Skunk. We know nothing about them. Who knows maybe Salem is also involved into it as well
7:30 Honestly, I might be in the minority on this, but I by far like Lloyd better than Rambley.... Rambles is a LITTLE bit too nice, and it's kinda suspicious... I think Lloyd has a fun personality and a cool design, plus he kinda reminds me of the MGM Lion. I also think it's funny how he rolls his R's too, since he's a cat...It's a nice touch :)
0:51 well to be fair going into an abandoned amusement park like this would absolutely be illegal and of course the protagonist doesn’t wanna get arrested, so night time is the best time to get in without being seen unlike if the sun were out.
it isn't the company that did the lazy reskin(gold Rambly) the workers spray painted a plush Rambly , so Lloyd is the only one to have 2 plushies made from the company .
It more likely that he would get replaced by an AI of Salem at some point, like before the living mascot Rambly chase scene only for the AI Rambly to return after the chase scene is over. I haven't played the game but that's what I expect to happen. And for somehow the living Lloyd mascot to save the main character is some sort of twist.
1:00 the most likely reason for doing this at night is so that they don't get caught by authorities... It just turns out that mistakes were made and now they have to deal with hostile foes.
Maybe Rambley is the one who do a lot of the job while Lloyd just perform one thing in the indigo park… alike is unfair the situation and felt that… yup that feeling… I share it, is a burden that never cease no matter if I’m the younger of 4 and help the most fix stuff clean and carry the heavy … for be considered the mean one? For not be appreciated… Rambley you’re a nice one who deserves love and friendship as your own limited Ed plush with a featuring, the most special one your Rambley berry *hugs Rambley*
8:17 - I pretty much think that’s probably the most likely theory to happen, it would make sense with the picture we saw of Lloyd and Rambley too. When Rambley was created, he maybe wasn’t ment to be the new mascot or hate Lloyd, as seen in the picture. After tho, he probably got programmed to hate him like sais in the vid (this is all IMO btw and idk if any1 said this already)
5:12 If this takes place in the early 2000s, then please explain the 16:9 monitors and flat TVs? Yes, they did exist, however it was too expensive and wasn't mainstream until late 2000s/early 2010s. I don't think it takes place in early 2000s. Because most people use 4:3 ratio with CRT monitors back then.
Yes, that panel on the left side of the door is Mollie. She's there in present day, and if you compare the images, you can tell it's her. Also the game is set in 2023, not the early 2000's. We have both the exact date the game takes place in and the exact date the park closed- 7 October 2023 and 9 October 2015 respectively. But it's not just Rambley who doesn't like Lloyd much, he's "the friend nobody likes" even to Finley and Mollie. However, Lloyd doesn't seem to share their dislike? He seems oblivious. So while I agree that Rambley is replacing Lloyd, there's a glaring flaw in your arguement- Lloyd was VERY POPULAR WITH FANS. He wasn't just blustering with his boasting, he was legitimately popular. His co-mascots didn't like him. But fans in-universe did. This makes it very unlikely corporate decided to replace him with Rambley to be more appealing and less scary to kids. Cuz kids loved him. So there's a different reason why he was not just being replaced, but seemingly being phased out. Lloyd has very little presence in the park, second only to Salem (who has so little presence you didn't even mention them). His theatre is not a very impressive-looking building despite the grandeur of the inside, and the signage isn't the most eye-catching, either. His limo ride was replaced with Rambley's Railroad, and in that same ride, Lloyd is crammed in at the end in a noticeably smaller space than the other four mascots had. His space is even smaller than Salem's. His presence was being drastically reduced so it could be eventually removed. I do think Rambley's memories are being tampered with, but I also think this is the case for Mollie and Finley, but not Lloyd and Salem. Salem doesn't need their memories tampered with- she's a new character introduced to replace Lloyd as an antagonistic force. Corporate doesn't need to change anything when Salem wasn't written to consider him. And why bother rewriting Lloyd when he was going to be taken out? Finley's cutout says he's known Rambley for a century, but if Rambley is a newer character to the parks, this shouldn't be possible. I think they're being programmed to dislike Lloyd so he can be removed. More proof Salem and Rambley came in much later is not only the fact they're both urban creatures, but they're also the only two characters to incorporate purple/indigo into their designs. Finley is yellow and green, Mollie is blue, yellow, orange, and green, and Lloyd is the primary colours plus orange. Salem and Rambley are grey and indigo, with Rambley having a splash of red and Salem a splash of magenta. They do not match with the other three, but they sure do match the park. They were *both* created to replace Lloyd. And this came AFTER the mascots were on order, but BEFORE they actually got them. We know this from the mask you can grab when running from Mollie. Which was likely recent due to a number of reasons, but pointedly the Mollie Plush's flavour text mentioning a summer when Ed was a child and a "new" Mollie Meet-and-Greet.
Something not brought up are the character descriptions from their reveals on Unique Geese's Twitter feed. Lloyd is described as being loud, obnoxious, self-centered, and with a MASSIVE ego to the point where literally all the other characters take issue with him because of it. I think Rambley's distaste for him was a minor program concept intentionally made as part of the character, possibly to reflect the audiences' growing distaste for the character, and that just grew stronger due to the AI learning code Rambley is made from.
I like to think maybe rambley and lloyd got into an argument over who should take over the theater. This soon spark rambley to beat up llyod, llyod doesnt hate rambley because hes a jerk, he afraid of rambley for what he did to him. Remember He hurts llyod
So uhm i am saying that rambley was best friends before proof? when u go to the all board rambleys and go in the cactus place look behind and u'll see a picture of rambley and lloyd look happy together
I don't think the person you play as had a choice to do it during the day. In the intro when they are doing it in the afternoon during day, it becomes dark outside.
Y'ALL I HAVE A THEORY OF WHY I THINK RAMBLEY HATES LLOYD. So you all know the Weird costume head of Rambley, right? The audio shows that the original Mascots were employees. And Mollie has also said: "get back in your cage bird" Showing that the Mascots were not treated right. And if you heard Mollie when you had to fix the train ride she said for a few times: "not Rambley! He hurts Lloyd" But Rambley would never do that! So what if it was the Employees dressed up as Rambley and Harming them? And after that, Lloyd and Rambley got into a Fight for Rambley Probably being Accused that He was Hurting Lloyd. When he wasn't. So that's why I think Rambley Hates Lloyd.
Ok but if the replacement theory is true ( probably is) that means lloyd WAS the original star if the shiw but got replaced with rambley meaning rambley is the new star by common sense so going he isnt makes no sense if he replaced lloyd
They hate each other becuase they are exes, bitter exes. Ok, now, this may come as cheating, since it is not in the game, but the author of the game actually made a video introducing every character. When he explained Lloyd, he says that his arrogant attitude is sometimes pushed too hard and that why he is not liked in the gang. So, yeah, it is possible that Rambley was programmed to hate Lloyd for his personality. I guess we have to wait for Rambley's reaction to Salem. Lloyd is presented more like an annoyance, but Salem is outright presented as a villain in their cartoon canon. Hmmm, nah I go for exes. Just makes more sense.
I'm starting to think Rambly is evil. Moli said someone Hurt Loyld. “He hurt Loyld “ When you first see Loyld, he was sleeping and there's No blood on him but then moments later, there is Blood on his paws and mouth but maybe was his own blood and some hurt him.
Im also confused at the end of rambly rage fit does he say the word cry in a demon voice or does it glitch out i think it sounds like demon voice if so rambly has some demon or some evil in him it kind of shows he has the power to betray us or kill us if he wants but he doesn't this shows hes the good guy im just tired of hearing people say hes evil or is the devil hes not unique geese even said it🙂😒
In the ending he act a bit like a virus and the phrase about rambley did this. Maybe he edited the code of Lloyd to be annoying .and all the corrupted images of Lloyd... And he seek so much attention... something is off.
So rambley my be the Oswald the rabbit of indigo parks Disney lost the right to Oswald and made Mickey but later got the right back This would probably explain why most rambley merch is well basic he's being reintroduced too park Just look at how basic the Rambley railroad is it a very bare bones dark ride type ride the ai rambley also can't be all that old he was mostlike added a year before the park closed the ai think it always been part of the cast and you can make a recording say anything
Ok think this theory is great but sometime after you get the critter cuff you see the creator of the mascots holding Rambleys hand if lloyd is the original shouldnt he be holding lloyds hand and I dont think this can be excused with the "phased out as fast as possible" like painting a wall and making a new ai can be done pretty fast but building a whole new statue which seem to be made of gold that would tak months, sorry i just dont believe in this theory
There's a Gold Lloyd Statue in stroage in the Theatre's Backstage area, it's entirely possible it was moved there instead of destroyed when they made the new statue (and presumably put a camera in Mr. Indigo's Head).
Sounds like an Oswald the Lucky Rabbit situation. Disney parks always featured the mouse but by technicality the first creation was Oswald and he got left in the dust until that videogame brought him back up and not only that Oswald had animosity towards Mickey at the start of that game
Well that might be the case as apparently according to the indigo park fandom wiki they are relatives.
How? I have no fricking clue.🤷
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That _has_ to be fanon.
@@purplepedantryI agree with you, but this is the devs first original horror game, so the story could go absolutely batshit
Yeah it's obvious that Mason took inspiration from Disneyland when he made this game
To be fair it’s wasn’t Walt fault since Warner Brothers own the right of the character.
There's more evidence that supports this theory. When you get off the ride to fix Rambly's Railroad, there is a sign on the wall that says Lloyd's Limos behind the Finley animatronic, and behind the stage, there is another sign for Lloyd's Limos. There is also a statue of Lloyd behind the stage that looks like the Rambly statue that stands next to the Issac Indigo statue.
The title did just kinda make me realize that we haven't actually found out if the hate is mutual yet. Mascot Lloyd has no lines, and Cutout Lloyd doesn't seem to even react to Rambley's obvious disdain of him.
I am now expecting a "Lloyd is incredibly depressed and all the boistering is a coping mechanism" plotpoint for a later chapter. I'm gonna be generous to Rambley and assume that he was/is not aware of this, and will apologize for being such a douche to Lloyd if he finds out.
...Also, I guess I found a new explanation for animatronic Mollie's "He hurt Lloyd" line so that's fun
Apparently the “he hurt Lloyd” bit is actually just random text and doesn’t actually say that.
im still not sure why mollie say's not rambley, he hurt lloyd. it could be referencing old park staff, but lloyd masking his true feelings by being loud and boisterous. and the theater is in a bit better condition than the rest of the park. our first encounters with lloyd is him being afraid of us, and i think he mightve been trying to warn us about something, which could explain why the critter cuff scared him away, because i fully believe that someone is accessing rambley's mainframe directly, and even though rambley can't see us, it doesnt mean that we still arent being watched by someone else, and whoever that is would obviously have a reason to prevent the player from learning about their existence, and it would explain why the critter cuff did not activate and scare off mollie, because rambley may not know that it can do that, or not even know it has that capability. whether due to age or programming. it might be a feature that can only be activated by a human park employee.
@@masterbond9 unlikely another living person is accessing the mainframe due to being abandoned for 8 years, but possible another character that the park bought to 'life'.
possible. I want to add the mini-game that might explain few things. Now Rambley Ai is more than a tour guide, he has access to many of the park system, even has eyes and monitors in staff area, can unlock/lock doors even in staff area, can provide critter cuffs via robotic arms and can even hire new employees (Rookie Rangler ). He's more than a guide, he's a tool to smartly administer the park. As such he might have been ordered, given directive to hurt Lloyd by higher ups. The park obviously bought the other characters to life in some way, as such they needed to maintain control of them and i think they used Rambley to control the others. but just my thoughts
in the cast reveal, Mason said that they _are_ friends but Lloyd is pushing it
The massots find him annoying, so it's not mutual
"Give this mistake to a child and they'll cry."
Oh honey, where's this little smartass been the whole time~?!
he was a little smartass!
>:(
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another addendum I've seen floating around that I think might have some merit is that Rambley did exist before he was catapulted to "face of the company", and that was he was a duo with Salem.
Think about it. It wouldn't be that far-flung for a raccoon and a skunk, two animals that are often labeled as "pest animals" be be a bad guy duo. Then, when they wanted to replace Lloyd, they picked the more popular of the two (Rambley) and maybe gave some explanation as to why he's a good guy now (the AI Rambley is very insistent on his friendship with Mollie) and the AI Rambley has no idea that he was paired this way with Salem. It'd even explain the scarf/neckerchief thing, since criminals in the old west covered their face with them when committing crimes, particularly train heists. (Since a lot of dust gets kicked up be the train and horses, it also helps with breathing. Gotta love efficiency.)
Given that Isaac Indigo and Lloyd have the same voice actor, would the AI Rambley be angry that Indigo decided to voice Lloyd instead of him?
The deed hand over is a reference to disney too. Pooh took over Mr Toad's ride and they have toad giving the deed to owl
I absolutely loved this! I thought the theory was well-thought out and written, and that you touched on one of my favorite mysteries of the game. Most theorists are trying to figure out ‘Why did the park close down?’ or ‘What’s in store for us in chapter 2?’. While those are all great questions that need to be dwelled on, it seems like no one’s talking about Rambley’s distaste for Lloyd. It may just be me on this, but it seems like everyone’s assuming Rambley was *always* the mascot of the park. I definitely agree with several aspects of this, I think it’s a topic about this game that needs to be investigated more! Also, first you touch on one of my favorite games, Deltarune, and now Indigo Park?! Love your content, man!
It’s possible that Lloyd and Salem were the originals of the park and they used to be the Mickey and Pete in their cartoons and park performances. So when Mollie, Rambly, and Finley took in the spotlight, it separated those two by making Salam Rambly’s antagonist and Lloyd the most popular, but lonely, side-character of the batch.
But because Lloyd and Salem were hero and villain characters, they didn’t think they were breaking a personal bond between them. And this caused them to further repress to their most unbearable and extreme traits (while their abuse was increased BTW), till they completely break down into the messes they are now.
It’s highly likely that the Salem areas were destroyed because she despised the very role and identity they’ve given her. Since Mollie and Rambly left the train ride alone. Lloyd wanted to stay away from it and stay in the theater, where Rambly was unable to access it but cameras were watching you (meaning Salem was using the security cameras in this area and restricted from Rambly’s control). So the only one who would desire to destroy the Salem section of the ride and be capable of it would be Salem herself.
This does make me wonder if we wouldn’t see the living Salem in any clothes simply because she despises her identity that much, unlike Mollie. And the purpose of the old-fashioned Lloyd plushie was to hint about the better oldie times Lloyd and Salem used to have before everything changed.
In the cast reveal video, Mason said that Lloyd and the others are friends, but he's pushing too hard
There's really nothing more to it than envy and Lloyd being annoying to them
@@justice8718 I think Salem would be smart enough to realize that, by rejecting her role, they are embracing her role as a trouble maker
One thing that I think is worth mentioning is that Rambley is a CHARACTER from the universe. He could very well have a disdain for Lloyd because the characters hated each other in the in universe show or whatever.
During the train ride Rambley seems to actually be following a script since his lines match up with the prerecorded cutouts lines, which to me leads me to think the two just hate each other in universe.
edit also something that a lot of people don't seem to think about is that there could be more then one rambley. There is the AI one, but there was a costume one too, probably a living one and then the TV show one.
Because Lloyd is just so ✨fabulous✨ that he makes everyone jealous
5:14 I'd like to give you a correction here. The newspaper in the intro cutscene that mentions the park closing is dated October 22, 2015. If the park has been closed for around 8 years, then the game takes place in 2023
I’d fuggin’ kill for more Indigo theories, this is great!
Them representing different eras/generations of the park makes a lot of sense.
MoFace had a similar theory playing with the similarities between the events after Walt Disney’s death and how it impacted the company via his brother being the one solely in charge.
Well, there’s not only the Oswald being replaced by Mickey thanks to other cartoonists at the time deciding to borrow Oswald for their cartoons, which made Disney mad, but also the Donald Duck gaining popularity over Mickey at one point according to Game Theory. Thanks to UniqeGeese being a Disney or Disney land fan, I think this theory or Game Theory’s theory about Lloyd gaining more popularity than Rambley could be true.
I’m leaning more towards Rambley’s memory being corrupted or some other issue, like whatever happened had gotten some of Rambley’s hardware damaged. UniqeGeese did say while they were writing chapter 1, they felt it was sad so someone suggested the part where Rambley tells us about how the staff and visitors stopped coming a long time ago. I had a feeling it was like Rambley didn’t know the park had shut down and why for for most of chapter 1. I wouldn’t put it past Disney to have AI memories, camera footage, and more erased if something in the park went bad enough. So they could’ve erased his memory of that day either while it was happening or the day after or maybe Rambley chose to forget and somehow deleted it himself.
Given what someone told me, I think we have it backwards. I think Lloyd was due to replace Rambley just before everything went wrong. They keep saying that Rambley isn't the more popular of the two ingame.
Yeah i think Lloyd was the first also. Kinda feel like salem was introduced last maybe. No merch besides the keychains in the gift shop.
Oh hey! I've watched your Deltarune videos before!
I find it quite neat to see you covering a game I composed music for lol
Well, I must say you did an amazing job! I decided to take a break from Deltarune for a while. I can't wait to see what comes next for both these games.
Ooo cool!
0:50 generally most times people go to abandoned places at night because they’re less likely to get caught. ESPECIALLY if it’s a place that has security or police standing guard or worse patrolling.
Also there is a GOLD statue of Lloyd in his theatre tucked away in a corner confirming he was THE star of the show.
The park closed in 2015 so the game is set in 2023. The characters started out in cartoons in the 1920's with the park being built later. The footage was either from the 1950's or 60's.
very nice reasoning. Gotta say this video makes some sense and I really enjoy the presentation of it. Good work m8
Yeah, the Intro Video does show Lloyd behind the Park's Founder, but he obviously got replaced by Rambley... and AI Rambley gets annoyed not just that he doesn't get a retro toy, but none of the other characters do either, other then Lloyd.
Of course, in my own playthrough I realized there's a 5th character other then Rambley, Lloyd, Molley or Finley, and I asked myself "Who's Ol' Alice?" might be a very oblique reference to Alice Angel from Bendy as there's also a reference to Dayshift at Freddy's and FNAF' through that, but that doesn't stop there being a large stall right at the front of the park's Main Road, and one of the first things seen past the fountain.
The Molley Mural at the entrance is damaged by whatever happened to the Park, but it's still Molley.
The fifth character's name is Salem, named after the town that famously had 19 people hanged on witchcraft charges in 1693
They're a troublemaker and always want to ruin Rambley's day, hiding behind her punk aesthetic
Also she does alchemy, cool
@@_StarlightRose_ I know about Salem, and I think you skimmed my post a little too fast as you missed the “Other then Rambley” part, 5-1 is 4, but yes, including all 5 known characters the question becomes, Who is Ol’ Alice and is she a potential 6th Character.
@@QuestionDeca yeah I maybe did skim too fast through it
There will be more characters introduced, so maybe we will see Alice
I Wonder what Salem's attraction was
Though to be honest, I never noticed the mentioning of a 6th character
@@_StarlightRose_ It's practically blink and you miss it, a relatively large Yellow Lemonade Stand with green trim and red roof, near the Rambley Fountain. "Ol' Alices' Shake-ups" None of the other shops reference a Person or Character in their name.
@@QuestionDeca Oh yeah, I remember the lemonade stand
I just assumed that was the owner's name, but I guess it doesnt make sense with the raccoon cafe and other stuff in the park
The news paper in the opening dates the closure of the park at 2015, which means the game takes place in 2023.
"I'm the real star..." "Not Rambley!" *the two get into an arguement resulting in Lloyd getting injured* "He hurt Lloyd!" Pure speculation, but they specifically placed it just before we "meet" Lloyd and through a Mollie animatronic of all things. "Coincidence? I think not!"
When the animatronic says "hurt" I'm pretty sure it comes from the Mollie introduction where she says "it hardly hurts" or whatever it is, so this is not the proper order of words... Though that's very obvious because all three of the words in "he hurt lloyd" are cut up and put together. "not rambley" is the only thing that's missing context and that's in the correct order as well, and you might have an idea there.
It wouldn't be too far-fetched to Guess that Lloyd was the Park's original mascot considering that he seems to be the most popular out of all the characters I actually think we might see Lloyd again in Chapter 2 along with Salem the skunk and I think there'll be two of the aggressive characters that we meet in chapter 2 considering that skunks and lions can get really aggressive when they need to be
I guess it's an analogy of how Mickey Mouse, despite being the mascot of Disney, is significantly less popular than Donald Duck or Goofy, in the vein that his personality is too vanilla.
nice theories, i missed a lot of these details in the game. id be up for more indigo park theories, maybe you could talk more about salem?
I would also love more Indigo Park Theories :) There aren't a lot of them right now, and I would love to see more!
Nice video and theory!
Itd be interesing if certain sections or attractions have different guides
It's been great to hear another theory about Lambley's relationship with Lloyd! I'm getting even more curious about what happened to them in the past!🤔
Obviously the *real* reason Rambley and Lloyd don't like each other is because they used to date, but had a bad break up. So sad...
Lloyd is my favorite mascot. #TeamLionKing
Mason said the game takes place in 2023, and Ed even says that Lloyd never looked like the retro plush too
So I don't think the cartoon is the reason for the retro plush, I would argue it was just money like the gold rambley plush
In the cast reveal video, Mason also said that Lloyd and Rambley _are_ friends, but Lloyd is pushing it, meaning none of the other mascots particularly like him right now.
Would love to see a Salem theory
She's most likely not the villain at all
Indigo bark theory 🍸
Shao Kahn: Choose your destiny.
The Mascots say they've known each other for over 100 years. Makes me think that the Mascots are also Ai like Rambly but they have multiple bodies.
i think its just a reference to how the Indigo Park IP has existed for over a hundred years (just like Disney). It's probably just pre-recorded voice lines
I think it's just Mollie repeating Finley's line from the Rambley's Railroad line
I wouln't take Finley's prerecorded lines from the ride too seriously
They aren't ai, Molly calls the riders "young adventurers"
@@_StarlightRose_ but think about if it isn’t prerecorded and the ai have been disconnected from their bodies. Like how Molly was revealed to be in a cage in the video game. She kept locked up while you fought her something that looked like her.
@@lockskelington314 Remember, Molly parrots things she's heard
Including "get back in your cage, bird"
The mascots were abused by the staff who were angry about being replaced
As for why the Mol is in the cage in the arcade game? I couldn't tell you, could be Salem was trying to turn her against Rambley
0:54 ok, nice to meet ya, new here, just wanna say, love ur lil birb persona😆(incorrect spelling intended lmao)
Very good theory, everything honestly lines up and completely would make sense!
There is also another character from Indigo Park I'm curious. Salem the Skunk. We know nothing about them. Who knows maybe Salem is also involved into it as well
Lloyd actually had 2 attractions: His theater and a ride called Lloyd's Limos
On the Rambly rail Road you can find the sign for Lloyd ride
7:30 Honestly, I might be in the minority on this, but I by far like Lloyd better than Rambley....
Rambles is a LITTLE bit too nice, and it's kinda suspicious...
I think Lloyd has a fun personality and a cool design, plus he kinda reminds me of the MGM Lion. I also think it's funny how he rolls his R's too, since he's a cat...It's a nice touch :)
0:51 well to be fair going into an abandoned amusement park like this would absolutely be illegal and of course the protagonist doesn’t wanna get arrested, so night time is the best time to get in without being seen unlike if the sun were out.
it isn't the company that did the lazy reskin(gold Rambly) the workers spray painted a plush Rambly , so Lloyd is the only one to have 2 plushies made from the company .
If rambley mysterious get destroyed or replaced by an ai of Lloyd i will seriously start an new world war.
It more likely that he would get replaced by an AI of Salem at some point, like before the living mascot Rambly chase scene only for the AI Rambly to return after the chase scene is over. I haven't played the game but that's what I expect to happen. And for somehow the living Lloyd mascot to save the main character is some sort of twist.
1:00 the most likely reason for doing this at night is so that they don't get caught by authorities... It just turns out that mistakes were made and now they have to deal with hostile foes.
Maybe Rambley is the one who do a lot of the job while Lloyd just perform one thing in the indigo park… alike is unfair the situation and felt that… yup that feeling… I share it, is a burden that never cease no matter if I’m the younger of 4 and help the most fix stuff clean and carry the heavy … for be considered the mean one? For not be appreciated… Rambley you’re a nice one who deserves love and friendship as your own limited Ed plush with a featuring, the most special one your Rambley berry *hugs Rambley*
But the Creator said that rambley was the first one creater
my theory why is because hes prideful lions often are a symbolism for it he shows it on the railroad.
8:17 - I pretty much think that’s probably the most likely theory to happen, it would make sense with the picture we saw of Lloyd and Rambley too. When Rambley was created, he maybe wasn’t ment to be the new mascot or hate Lloyd, as seen in the picture. After tho, he probably got programmed to hate him like sais in the vid (this is all IMO btw and idk if any1 said this already)
5:12 If this takes place in the early 2000s, then please explain the 16:9 monitors and flat TVs?
Yes, they did exist, however it was too expensive and wasn't mainstream until late 2000s/early 2010s.
I don't think it takes place in early 2000s. Because most people use 4:3 ratio with CRT monitors back then.
Yes, that panel on the left side of the door is Mollie. She's there in present day, and if you compare the images, you can tell it's her. Also the game is set in 2023, not the early 2000's. We have both the exact date the game takes place in and the exact date the park closed- 7 October 2023 and 9 October 2015 respectively.
But it's not just Rambley who doesn't like Lloyd much, he's "the friend nobody likes" even to Finley and Mollie. However, Lloyd doesn't seem to share their dislike? He seems oblivious.
So while I agree that Rambley is replacing Lloyd, there's a glaring flaw in your arguement- Lloyd was VERY POPULAR WITH FANS. He wasn't just blustering with his boasting, he was legitimately popular. His co-mascots didn't like him. But fans in-universe did. This makes it very unlikely corporate decided to replace him with Rambley to be more appealing and less scary to kids. Cuz kids loved him. So there's a different reason why he was not just being replaced, but seemingly being phased out. Lloyd has very little presence in the park, second only to Salem (who has so little presence you didn't even mention them). His theatre is not a very impressive-looking building despite the grandeur of the inside, and the signage isn't the most eye-catching, either. His limo ride was replaced with Rambley's Railroad, and in that same ride, Lloyd is crammed in at the end in a noticeably smaller space than the other four mascots had. His space is even smaller than Salem's. His presence was being drastically reduced so it could be eventually removed.
I do think Rambley's memories are being tampered with, but I also think this is the case for Mollie and Finley, but not Lloyd and Salem. Salem doesn't need their memories tampered with- she's a new character introduced to replace Lloyd as an antagonistic force. Corporate doesn't need to change anything when Salem wasn't written to consider him. And why bother rewriting Lloyd when he was going to be taken out? Finley's cutout says he's known Rambley for a century, but if Rambley is a newer character to the parks, this shouldn't be possible. I think they're being programmed to dislike Lloyd so he can be removed.
More proof Salem and Rambley came in much later is not only the fact they're both urban creatures, but they're also the only two characters to incorporate purple/indigo into their designs. Finley is yellow and green, Mollie is blue, yellow, orange, and green, and Lloyd is the primary colours plus orange. Salem and Rambley are grey and indigo, with Rambley having a splash of red and Salem a splash of magenta. They do not match with the other three, but they sure do match the park. They were *both* created to replace Lloyd.
And this came AFTER the mascots were on order, but BEFORE they actually got them. We know this from the mask you can grab when running from Mollie. Which was likely recent due to a number of reasons, but pointedly the Mollie Plush's flavour text mentioning a summer when Ed was a child and a "new" Mollie Meet-and-Greet.
Something not brought up are the character descriptions from their reveals on Unique Geese's Twitter feed. Lloyd is described as being loud, obnoxious, self-centered, and with a MASSIVE ego to the point where literally all the other characters take issue with him because of it. I think Rambley's distaste for him was a minor program concept intentionally made as part of the character, possibly to reflect the audiences' growing distaste for the character, and that just grew stronger due to the AI learning code Rambley is made from.
Rambley
Your not the only youtuber to think that Rambley replaced Lloyd the playtester thought the same!
(I also think this theory is true)
I like to think maybe rambley and lloyd got into an argument over who should take over the theater. This soon spark rambley to beat up llyod, llyod doesnt hate rambley because hes a jerk, he afraid of rambley for what he did to him.
Remember
He hurts llyod
it's easier to sneak into places when it is dark
you forgot that in the back of salams area there is a sign that says Lloyds Limo ride so I assume Ramblys Railroad was Lloyds ride
night thing is to sneak around and avoid getting caught as you break in.
Rambley’s song was a lie to whole time yeah maybe adorable 🥰 sweet heart ❤️ besides cutest and innocent was all a act
0:51 Simple, security is less likely to see and catch you.
So uhm i am saying that rambley was best friends before proof? when u go to the all board rambleys and go in the cactus place look behind and u'll see a picture of rambley and lloyd look happy together
RAMBLEY MY BOI!!!!
I don't think the person you play as had a choice to do it during the day. In the intro when they are doing it in the afternoon during day, it becomes dark outside.
TEAM RAMBLEY!!!!
👇 the likes are for rambley not me.
Y'ALL I HAVE A THEORY OF WHY I THINK RAMBLEY HATES LLOYD.
So you all know the Weird costume head of Rambley, right?
The audio shows that the original Mascots were employees.
And Mollie has also said: "get back in your cage bird"
Showing that the Mascots were not treated right. And if you heard Mollie when you had to fix the train ride she said for a few times: "not Rambley! He hurts Lloyd"
But Rambley would never do that! So what if it was the Employees dressed up as Rambley and Harming them?
And after that, Lloyd and Rambley got into a Fight for Rambley Probably being Accused that He was Hurting Lloyd. When he wasn't.
So that's why I think Rambley Hates Lloyd.
5:16 just one correction, the creator has stated that it takes place in the current day
The creator said the game takes place in mondern day
Ok but if the replacement theory is true ( probably is) that means lloyd WAS the original star if the shiw but got replaced with rambley meaning rambley is the new star by common sense so going he isnt makes no sense if he replaced lloyd
Easily going for rambley.
The fact Mollie and Finley hate Lloyed to. He can just screw himself.
They hate each other becuase they are exes, bitter exes.
Ok, now, this may come as cheating, since it is not in the game, but the author of the game actually made a video introducing every character. When he explained Lloyd, he says that his arrogant attitude is sometimes pushed too hard and that why he is not liked in the gang.
So, yeah, it is possible that Rambley was programmed to hate Lloyd for his personality.
I guess we have to wait for Rambley's reaction to Salem. Lloyd is presented more like an annoyance, but Salem is outright presented as a villain in their cartoon canon.
Hmmm, nah I go for exes. Just makes more sense.
You're not entirely wrong about them being exes lol
BITTER EXES BITTER EXES BITTER EXES BITTER EXES
Can't choose because too little information about Lloyd, I don't think he is a bad guy though
You forgot the skunk.
This is kinda how it went in reality with Disney
I'm starting to think Rambly is evil. Moli said someone Hurt Loyld. “He hurt Loyld “
When you first see Loyld, he was sleeping and there's No blood on him but then moments later, there is Blood on his paws and mouth but maybe was his own blood and some hurt him.
Cool
If they had to fight I’m putting my money on rambly because Lloyd won’t hurt him
Never mind if it’s the animal Lloyd then my moneys on lloyd
I just hope they redo Loid model....that look like.....
Team racoon 4 life.
Im also confused at the end of rambly rage fit does he say the word cry in a demon voice or does it glitch out i think it sounds like demon voice if so rambly has some demon or some evil in him it kind of shows he has the power to betray us or kill us if he wants but he doesn't this shows hes the good guy im just tired of hearing people say hes evil or is the devil hes not unique geese even said it🙂😒
Ima go with Lloyd
Stand Lloyd, I love Lloyd live laugh love Lloyd
for me i awalys pick rambley here
In the ending he act a bit like a virus and the phrase about rambley did this. Maybe he edited the code of Lloyd to be annoying .and all the corrupted images of Lloyd... And he seek so much attention... something is off.
I love Lloyd.
Yes, I typed Lloyd and not Rambly
rambley
I love lloyd he my favort.
So am on team lloyd❣️
I prefer Rambley, he’s my autistic comfort character.
Im on ramblys side hes just to cute😍 my dad is on Lloyd side honestly don't know now what to say about Lloyd theres not much of him😐
Rambely
Rambley is cuter
Team Lloyd team ranbley
👇 👇
So rambley my be the Oswald the rabbit of indigo parks Disney lost the right to Oswald and made Mickey but later got the right back
This would probably explain why most rambley merch is well basic he's being reintroduced too park
Just look at how basic the Rambley railroad is it a very bare bones dark ride type ride the ai rambley also can't be all that old he was mostlike added a year before the park closed the ai think it always been part of the cast and you can make a recording say anything
I am on rambley side 🦝
Team rambley!!
👇
Bruh the game timeline is 2023 or 2025 not the "early 2000s"
Ok think this theory is great but sometime after you get the critter cuff you see the creator of the mascots holding Rambleys hand if lloyd is the original shouldnt he be holding lloyds hand and I dont think this can be excused with the "phased out as fast as possible" like painting a wall and making a new ai can be done pretty fast but building a whole new statue which seem to be made of gold that would tak months, sorry i just dont believe in this theory
There's a Gold Lloyd Statue in stroage in the Theatre's Backstage area, it's entirely possible it was moved there instead of destroyed when they made the new statue (and presumably put a camera in Mr. Indigo's Head).
gold painted maybe. making an entire statue out of gold would cost a lot.
@@STCatchMeTRACjRo maybe its hollow? It could be painted as welk
@@Flipliche good point. maybe it's both. thick enough not to collapse, but hollow enough not to be overly heavy.
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