Speaking as a black woman, this was not a typical situation of unlawful harm to a civilian; He failed to comply with multiple orders during a police chase. The police's actions were directly influenced by his choices, given the circumstances. At some point, logic and reason must take precedence.
On top of that the car he was driving was used as a getaway car in a shooting a few days earlier. Unfortunately unless their lives have been negatively impacted or effected, some will defend others no matter, the history or the crime, just because of the colour of the person's skin. If it was a loved one or friend of there's that was harmed, they would have something completely different to say. I was imagining if it was someone I cared for was shot in that club while he was firing that gun. I am sure there are many that feel the world is a much safer place without him.
What is the matter with these guys? Kaba was a criminal who had already shot someone in a crowded place and had allegedly used a knife in the past. I also heard today he has a domestic abuse case against him too. Goodness knows what else he has done. My heart goes out to the police officer and family who must have feared for their lives and probably still do.That's where my sympathy lay.
i really don't think his family has anything to complain about....if you are involved in violent crime there is a reasonable chance of being killed...either by the police or rival gangs......
@@wilhelm4321 there was an investigation, but why did people want a trial? Even the jury sent a note to the judge stating they couldn't understand why this ever went to trial.
Some serial killers have families that don’t know or subconsciously choose not to know about their loved one. Self delusion can be strong. look at some victims of domestic abuse they honestly earnestly believe that it was an Accident and won’t happen again. The better question is why did media outlets keep putting the family in front of a camera when they had the story about the gang affiliation and crimes but were prevented from reporting it by legal restrictions?
Did kabas.mother feel sorry for the two guys kaba.shot he shot one 5 times the other guy 3 times what about the stabbings how did these guys parents feel when he shot their sons ???
@@2525Hudsonyes she has a restraining order against him. It's been made public information. Clearly the girl has come to sense as she doesn't want her future child to be around that kind of lifestyle.
His mother 'feeling sorry' about her son and defending him is what created the criminal. Starting with his criminal record at 13. Had he been my mother's son he wouldn't have reached 14 behaving like that. He would have been begging the police to take him in.
Was Mr Kaba charged with the suspected crimes you’re referring to? The law is innocent until proven guilty and he was not even charged so please stop acting like he’s been convicted when he wasn’t.
If he had made the decision to comply, then almost certainly none of this would have happened. The UK Police are probably a world leader in terms of civilians not killed by means of firearms when an incident takes place. The man who lost his life did not have to let them make this choice!!
Amusing how O'Brien went from the start of the week defending the judge for releasing the officers name (he knows best, the threats aren't credible etc) to now stating the judge is human and can make mistakes 🤣
I agree Abbot needs to backtrack on her "going about their every day lives" comment. Corbyn on the other hand: "No family should have to go through the pain Chris Kaba's family have suffered following his killing last week. My thoughts are with them as they fight for justice and accountability for his death." What's wrong with that? He was killed. And showing sympathy for the family of a bad human being is perfectly okay. It wasn't the family that was a gang member. Is is the fact that the family wanted justice and accountability for a scumbag and Corbyn showed empathy towards that, that you think he should apologise?
@@TheTwinn on the world's most dangerous terrorist at the time, " arresting him would have been the correct thing to do" Jeremy Corbyn. Naive or dangerous?
He comes across as not quite the full penny. It’s possibly unkind to exploit him as an entertainment figure, which is what his employers are doing. He is harming himself because he doesn’t know any better,but his employers do. When an alternative comes along they will dump him, never to be seen again.
Forget the colour of the criminal.... we have got to stop SEEING RACE / COLOUR in all career criminals....this black, white, yellow, red man was (from all evidence) from an early age, a keen knifer and a regular shooter he was career criminal who would knife or shoot someone as soon as look at them! No matter what colour this man was, he is now thanks to a super super clever intelligent Police officer.. Kaba's is now finally out of dubious career for ever, and thankfully for all of us this criminal is gone. I do feel some sorrow for his family, if of course they were all law abiding people and didnt know what illegal activities he was up to - and I doubt that!.
Yes they thought all the money he had and the posh Audi was from the benefits he was claiming. You couldn't make it up. If that had been a white gangster the police officer would not have had his life ruined.
There is something deeply unempathetic about this that sends a shiver down my spine. I think it's because this type of lack of empathy is exactly what leads people to harm or unalive people in the first place.
@@TheTwinn His family couldn’t care less about their own black community who suffered at the hands of this major criminal. Much easier to blame others than look at their own failure to raise him.
And all this gentleman had to do when surrounded by Police cars with blue lights on and sirens blairing, shouting at him to put his hands up, armed to the teeth .......... was to place the gearbox into neutral !! It really was that simple.
What faces a crisis of confidence is the black gangster culture that virtually NO single inspirational person has yet stood up and said “these gangsters do not represent me nor my community”. That’s the real tragedy, not the police, and the middle class lefty’s who only criticise the police and sit on their hands and act as enablers for this henous gangster culture. Where’s BLM when the black community need leadership, where’s Diane Abbott to disassociate the community from gang culture, so long as you keep treating gangsters as victims it will just continue and more will die on the streets of London. STOP normalising gangster culture!!
@@andreamclean3116 most are in London, as are most of their victims. The longer this kind of denial goes on and the longer gangster behaviour isn’t called out for what it is (ie endemic and totally unacceptable) the more young people are going to die. The gangs even make “music” videos openly bragging about what they’re all about and still nothing is said and nothing is done for fear of upsetting “the community “.
I would love to know what the weather is like on the planet O'Brien is from... But as he is the only one that lives there.. i would have to ask him, and I don't speak tw@ish
He was driving a car - Blake lawyers did not even pretend that Kaba was playing 'gang gang' at the time that he was shot. They claimed that he was shot purely due to the manner of his use of the car. Do you think that a little old lady doing the same thing would have been shot? What if it had been a blond, blue-eyed white woman was driving in that manner; would she have been shot?
Miss me with your victim nonsense. He was a savage like his friends that remind everyone in their music regularly! Real Gz pon d roadside. 1 less to deal with ay 🙂@@desmondroberts6034
Shadd. I don't think that's true. It's the same with the getting pulled over situation, it's not because of colour it's the way people act. When I'm in the car with my black friends, they do always get pulled over but it's because of the way they act, they'll always say police then stare at them as they drive past.. or police up ahead hang back a bit. Lol. If you stare at the police or try hanging back to avoid them of course they're gonna pull you over.
@@wilhelm4321 what people seem to forget is they have no say in what they do it all comes from above , their hands are tied unfortunately so it’s ether to as told or be out of a job 🤷♀️ same with pretty much all police forces around the world .
How is it James seeing the side you chose annihilating you and everything you stand for with each passing day? Time to have a rethink or a none biased thought in your noggin?
Kaba case traumatising, say black community leaders. If I may be so bold as to question your 'trauma.' A lot of your trauma comes from the fact that within some communities (skin colour irrelevant) criminals can inflict more trauma on people within said communities who report their criminal activities than the Police themselves. You are in a 'trauma bind.' You need to address that.
I think they need anonymity untill convicted, and I'm no fan of police but where wouldcwe be without them. More training and better selection process i would say.
@@brolly2612We aren’t,”we” were trying to find out if his death was in anyway explicable in the face of British law. There you go sunshine,I’ve educated you.
@@markhepworththe police were responding to a possibly armed individual who had been involved in a shooting the night before, armed police approached the vehicle and demanded he stopped he then proceeded to try to ram police vehicles while police were on foot and in the line of possible injury or death. The police had reasonable grounds to suspect the driver was armed, anyone who refuses to give up in the face of armed police is clearly desperate and knowing this the officer feared for himself and the general public and decided to end the situation before anyone got seriously injured or killed which was a strong possibility at the time given the actions of Kaba. This should never have gone to trial anyone with any common sense can see that. It’s tragic that this happened but to then pull the officer through the court system for simply doing his job is disgusting, situations like this will only weaken the power of the police there should have been a strong response from the police and government that they supported the actions of the officer that night to protect his colleagues and the public and left it at that, but instead they tried to throw an officer under the bus now they look dumb and have made the situation even worse
I have zero sympathy for kaba's family . They kew he was a "gangster" and was happy taking the "rewards" and trying to keep his past out of the media. The policeofficer was found not guilty without knowing kaba's past and the family are still shouting there mouths off.
You support Labour? This is a party that operates on identity politics first - and that is the reason the left have been showing sympathy for this violent, gun toting black gangster.
His family knew exactly what he was and the community that know him are also part of it. It sounds like you are talking to children then again you did thank James O’Brien for letting you on his show.
@@Max88-xl2si 10000%? I hope that's a typo. A percent is part of 100, not, 10000. Whether he's right on Brexit, is a matter of opinion. I voted out, because I don't want to live under a dictatorship.
@@Jack_Warner it is not a matter of opinion. If we lose 100 billion pounds a year because of Brexit, it is not an opinion. If our international reputation is in ruin, it is not an opinion. If the cost of living crisis has impacted more Britain than any other european country, it is not an opinion. And it is not an opinion If the value of our currency dropped after the referendum. Facts do not care about your feelings.
@@Max88-xl2si Also, explain to me how we are losing £100 billion? We got on ok before we joined, so what's the big deal, unless you're on the gravy train, I don't get it. I'm thick.
His family did choose it. They knew the life he lived and done NOTHING to stop it. Infact they more than likely enjoyed benefiting from his criminal lifestyle
Here's an invaluable life lesson ........... there are consequences if you do not obey the laws of the land, particularly when endangering other peoples' lives. Simple and no navel gazing required!
Just maybe if he had been disciplined and his Mother had kept him at home at night ( No Father available to install discipline) he would now be a fully qualified Architect.
I heard that it was only after the trial the jury found out who this Kaba guy was. Surely this has an impact on any decision the police make, knowing he is capable of extreme violence has a history of weapons offences has to have an impact on the police officers involved. Are they now expected to wait until one of them is killed to be able to take any action?
Very nice, balanced view, thanks. It's a difficult job! I understand the need for anonymity.. but cops are human, they make mistakes, they may be subject to one of the many human vices, their colleagues cover for them, they understand how to make the system works and soon you have the Met
She does not have a clue about weapons or ballistics or the split second decision making that is needed when firing a weapon in these circumstances,,maybe if kaba had of shot his victim in the arm or chest he might still be alive or how about if kaba didn’t have a gun to use in the first place they might both still be alive,we all know what this is really about for you lady
The statistic at the beginning. Proves perhaps Britain has the best police in the world when it comes to their armed division. Amazing stat. Pity they're being used as Starmers lackies, against his own population like the Stazi. Bless
The conservatives basically changed the purpose of Trident from what it was originally, will it under the labour party return to what it was originally created to do.Because the Tories decisions have done a lot of damage to the black communities at large and have not helped to establish trust with the police, especially the last home secretary.
This case is biggest racism example ever ,if that had been any other colour skin .not one of you would be talking about it ,when is the media stop feeding the skin colour angle
What is meant by "the Police want to have confidence in the system that holds them to account", is they want an internal complaint system and a CJS that is inherently bias in favour of the officers, in every case.
@@Sullivan-z9z Police culture 211. Much of the evidence we received spoke to deep-seated cultural issues within the police service. Strikingly, policing witnesses were almost united in lamenting a riskaverse ‘culture of blame’. Stephen Mold argued that “risk management, as opposed to risk aversion, should be the mantra of national and local political masters and law enforcement practitioners”, and that the police should “Adopt the ‘learn from failure’ model practised by the airline industry as opposed to the ‘blame & claim’ culture seen within the NHS”.306 The Police Federation said that officers need to be held accountable in a “supportive and appropriate” manner, “moving away from a culture of blame to a learning culture”.307 The PSAEW also referred to the “culture of blame that pervades within policing”, and called for a “culture that learns from its mistakes, both at an individual and an organisational level”.308 The NPCC said that the service “must move from a ‘blame’ culture to one which values questioning, learning and improvement’”.309 212. The police complaints system was regularly referred to as a key source of risk aversion in policing. For example, the Police Federation said that the IOPC needs to move “towards a culture of learning from mistakes”, and that the “historic culture of blame” often “makes it difficult for the police service to have open and inclusive conversations about how it can improve processes”, making it “difficult to implement positive change”.310 The Met Police also argued that “officers making genuine mistakes need to be supported to learn-not fear misconduct”, the latter of which “encourages a closed culture”. Its written submission asserted that “wrong-doing needs to be addressed, but the balance is currently imperfect”.311 213. The Independent Office for Police Conduct launched formally in January, replacing the much-criticised Independent Police Complaints Commission. The Government promised “speedier decision-making” under new leadership, with a new board “to ensure greater accountability to the public”.312 The PSAEW’s submission to this inquiry said that, in the 38 misconduct investigations against its members in 2015, no further action was taken in over 70% of the cases finalised at the time of writing; only one case had led to a dismissal.313 In August, the NPPC’s lead for complaints and misconduct, Chief Constable Craig Guildford, reportedly told the Police Oracle that reforms are underway to shift the culture of the misconduct system from “blame to learning”. Changes being “worked on” include a raised threshold for what constitutes misconduct and gross misconduct; issuing terms of reference to an officer subject to a notice; requiring investigative bodies to produce reports explaining why a misconduct hearing is taking more than 12 months to complete; and introducing more clarity regarding the IOPC’s ‘case to answer’ test for misconduct hearings.314 We will monitor the reforms introduced by the IOPC and other bodies, and consider in due course whether more detailed scrutiny of the police complaints system is required.
that's very much how it sounds. I don't see an issue with the current independent system. It may make choices we don't agree with but they are subject matter experts who do not look at things from an emotional view.
I’m sure they want a fair system that doesn’t throw them under the bus when they’ve done their job properly for fear of riots. The IOPC and CPS should be ashamed of themselves in this case.
I don't believe an unarmed person in a hemmed in car incapable of reaching more that 3 miles an hour was a threat to any trained officer. Their job is to arrest, not execute.
@@alandagmar576 "Imminent danger to life", which is the threshold for an armed officer using his gun, does not mean "flagged up with firearms being used from that car", otherwise we'd have a police state. The defence was that he posed an imminent danger to life with his car.
Speaking as a black woman, this was not a typical situation of unlawful harm to a civilian; He failed to comply with multiple orders during a police chase. The police's actions were directly influenced by his choices, given the circumstances. At some point, logic and reason must take precedence.
Actions have consequences.
Well said. A vehicle can be a lethal weapon.
Agreed!
On top of that the car he was driving was used as a getaway car in a shooting a few days earlier. Unfortunately unless their lives have been negatively impacted or effected, some will defend others no matter, the history or the crime, just because of the colour of the person's skin. If it was a loved one or friend of there's that was harmed, they would have something completely different to say. I was imagining if it was someone I cared for was shot in that club while he was firing that gun. I am sure there are many that feel the world is a much safer place without him.
@@ade5004It's new indoctrination. Marxist ideology.
What is the matter with these guys? Kaba was a criminal who had already shot someone in a crowded place and had allegedly used a knife in the past. I also heard today he has a domestic abuse case against him too. Goodness knows what else he has done. My heart goes out to the police officer and family who must have feared for their lives and probably still do.That's where my sympathy lay.
1000% agree he was a wrong un,
i really don't think his family has anything to complain about....if you are involved in violent crime there is a reasonable chance of being killed...either by the police or rival gangs......
What you wrote has nothing to do with whether Kaba was an imminent threat to the police at the time of being shot in the head.
@icystrangers5482 Have you not seen the footage? The fact he posed such a danger is an axiom.
@@icystrangers5482 he was using a car that had been in a armed robbery the day before as a battering ram..
They so wanted a British George Floyd that they could deify but with his foot on the trigger of a weapon Chris Kaba was just a criminal.
No, what people wanted was an investigation and a trial
@@wilhelm4321 Which, of course, is what has happened.
@@wilhelm4321 there was an investigation, but why did people want a trial? Even the jury sent a note to the judge stating they couldn't understand why this ever went to trial.
@@joelhall5124 Because if there had not been a trial, there would have been disruption to public cohesion.
Is their a underlying tone here for sour grapes when you hear the word ex hes a ex
Surely Kaba’s family must have known who he was. They were always going to end up with trauma given his occupation.
Yes, the Kaba family are partly responsible for his disgusting antics and really should keep quiet. Trainee architect my arris.
Some serial killers have families that don’t know or subconsciously choose not to know about their loved one. Self delusion can be strong. look at some victims of domestic abuse they honestly earnestly believe that it was an Accident and won’t happen again.
The better question is why did media outlets keep putting the family in front of a camera when they had the story about the gang affiliation and crimes but were prevented from reporting it by legal restrictions?
YES! its also NOT just about Mr Kaba---it's about the armed police services (volunteers) and what we expect of them as the relevant public....
Shame on you for this disgraceful comment. They probably didn't know
@@sunnyclimes4884They want a pay off/ compensation playing the race card we're the victims
Mr Kaba's family should have brought him up properly, rather than blaming everyone else. How do they think his victims' families feel?!
Did kabas.mother feel sorry for the two guys kaba.shot he shot one 5 times the other guy 3 times what about the stabbings how did these guys parents feel when he shot their sons ???
What about the girl he got pregnant then beat up?
@@martinprice8935 Not heard of this, he sounded like a right charmer, a true Mr Darcy.
@@2525Hudsonyes she has a restraining order against him. It's been made public information. Clearly the girl has come to sense as she doesn't want her future child to be around that kind of lifestyle.
His mother 'feeling sorry' about her son and defending him is what created the criminal. Starting with his criminal record at 13. Had he been my mother's son he wouldn't have reached 14 behaving like that. He would have been begging the police to take him in.
Was Mr Kaba charged with the suspected crimes you’re referring to? The law is innocent until proven guilty and he was not even charged so please stop acting like he’s been convicted when he wasn’t.
I HAVE NO SYMPATHY FOR KABU, HE WAS CRIMINAL, YOU REAP WHAT YOU SOW
@@andreamclean3116respect the criminals, listen to yourself man
@@andreamclean3116Respect to a gun wielding,drug dealing gang member? Oh sorry,he was going to be an architect…..😂😂
@@AM-lc7ke he is in a better place now..lololololol
👏👏👏👍
If he had made the decision to comply, then almost certainly none of this would have happened. The UK Police are probably a world leader in terms of civilians not killed by means of firearms when an incident takes place. The man who lost his life did not have to let them make this choice!!
Chris Kaba made a lot of bad decisions that led to the death of Chris Kaba.
Amusing how O'Brien went from the start of the week defending the judge for releasing the officers name (he knows best, the threats aren't credible etc) to now stating the judge is human and can make mistakes 🤣
Why haven't the likes of Jeremy Corbyn and Diane Abbot admit they got it so very wrong about Mr Kaba??
I agree Abbot needs to backtrack on her "going about their every day lives" comment.
Corbyn on the other hand: "No family should have to go through the pain Chris Kaba's family have suffered following his killing last week. My thoughts are with them as they fight for justice and accountability for his death."
What's wrong with that? He was killed. And showing sympathy for the family of a bad human being is perfectly okay. It wasn't the family that was a gang member. Is is the fact that the family wanted justice and accountability for a scumbag and Corbyn showed empathy towards that, that you think he should apologise?
@@TheTwinn on the world's most dangerous terrorist at the time, " arresting him would have been the correct thing to do" Jeremy Corbyn.
Naive or dangerous?
@@TheTwinnI wonder how much time Mr Kaaba’s family have spent thinking about the victims of HIS crimes..🤔
@@TheTwinn please correct me did Corbyn say anything about the trauma the Police officer and their family.
@@greamespens1460 Not a clue, I just googled Corbyn Kaaba statement and found that, assuming it's what people want him to say sorry for.
Obrien should be sacked. He is vile!
He comes across as not quite the full penny. It’s possibly unkind to exploit him as an entertainment figure, which is what his employers are doing. He is harming himself because he doesn’t know any better,but his employers do. When an alternative comes along they will dump him, never to be seen again.
Totally agree, he is the same breed as Starmer.
Why?
@@marinka424 what an interesting angle. so by his employers u mean lbc?
@@normansidey5258 what breed is that? How is he like Starrmer??
The even more disgraceful piece by the Guardian stating disappointment in the judgement was nauseating, this newspaper should be banned.
Does anybody read it?
@@chatham43 Only James
So...if you are black.....break the law......blame the "system"......not yourselves......as for Kaba's family grieving? They are responsible. Tough.
Forget the colour of the criminal.... we have got to stop SEEING RACE / COLOUR in all career criminals....this black, white, yellow, red man was (from all evidence) from an early age, a keen knifer and a regular shooter he was career criminal who would knife or shoot someone as soon as look at them! No matter what colour this man was, he is now thanks to a super super clever intelligent Police officer.. Kaba's is now finally out of dubious career for ever, and thankfully for all of us this criminal is gone. I do feel some sorrow for his family, if of course they were all law abiding people and didnt know what illegal activities he was up to - and I doubt that!.
Yes they thought all the money he had and the posh Audi was from the benefits he was claiming. You couldn't make it up. If that had been a white gangster the police officer would not have had his life ruined.
couldn't careless about kaba family he was a killer and they raised him
There is something deeply unempathetic about this that sends a shiver down my spine. I think it's because this type of lack of empathy is exactly what leads people to harm or unalive people in the first place.
@TheTwinn why honestly they will blame police for his death but not themselves?
People's family usually aren't to blame for the crime? I assume you hold the same blame against all criminals families. Not just the black ones?
@@TheTwinn
His family couldn’t care less about their own black community who suffered at the hands of this major criminal. Much easier to blame others than look at their own failure to raise him.
@@mwd331 you brought race into it not me
And all this gentleman had to do when surrounded by Police cars with blue lights on and sirens blairing, shouting at him to put his hands up, armed to the teeth .......... was to place the gearbox into neutral !! It really was that simple.
What faces a crisis of confidence is the black gangster culture that virtually NO single inspirational person has yet stood up and said “these gangsters do not represent me nor my community”. That’s the real tragedy, not the police, and the middle class lefty’s who only criticise the police and sit on their hands and act as enablers for this henous gangster culture. Where’s BLM when the black community need leadership, where’s Diane Abbott to disassociate the community from gang culture, so long as you keep treating gangsters as victims it will just continue and more will die on the streets of London. STOP normalising gangster culture!!
@@andreamclean3116Nobody is saying they are, but thanx for trying to contribute.
@@andreamclean3116 most are in London, as are most of their victims. The longer this kind of denial goes on and the longer gangster behaviour isn’t called out for what it is (ie endemic and totally unacceptable) the more young people are going to die. The gangs even make “music” videos openly bragging about what they’re all about and still nothing is said and nothing is done for fear of upsetting “the community “.
This would never have happened in the jamesObrien utopia....where really only one person lives.
I would love to know what the weather is like on the planet O'Brien is from... But as he is the only one that lives there.. i would have to ask him, and I don't speak tw@ish
I thought LBC was a real lefty zone but I’m enjoying reading these comments - some sanity
The lefties only appear when they think they are right otherwise they pipe down.
They are...they just have to virtue signal occasionally to appear sane
@sgb Refreshing indeed. But will it last?😊
HARDLY! It has a couple of presenters and they are famous for the one single lefty
@@geeksworkshop You must be stone deaf. 90% of their radio jocks are total lefties.
Don’t play gang gang and the police will not shoot you. 🙂
He was driving a car - Blake lawyers did not even pretend that Kaba was playing 'gang gang' at the time that he was shot. They claimed that he was shot purely due to the manner of his use of the car. Do you think that a little old lady doing the same thing would have been shot? What if it had been a blond, blue-eyed white woman was driving in that manner; would she have been shot?
"Just comply."
Even black people with no records and no known nefarious affiliations end up dead after "complying".
@@shaddozer0ne115 probably because for such small numbers my goodness you go for gold when it comes to the roadside tings ya get me g!
Miss me with your victim nonsense. He was a savage like his friends that remind everyone in their music regularly! Real Gz pon d roadside. 1 less to deal with ay 🙂@@desmondroberts6034
Shadd. I don't think that's true. It's the same with the getting pulled over situation, it's not because of colour it's the way people act. When I'm in the car with my black friends, they do always get pulled over but it's because of the way they act, they'll always say police then stare at them as they drive past.. or police up ahead hang back a bit. Lol. If you stare at the police or try hanging back to avoid them of course they're gonna pull you over.
I thought Kaba was a trainee architect, musician, talented footballer, father to be and all round decent bloke and would be saint.
Which one of those professions are you in?
He was an architect. Of his own demise.
Your thinking of john paul the second. Put his hand to loads. No pun, but was the goalkeeper.
How are O'Brien and Basu going to blackwash this?
Not very successfully.. it's getting to the point where JOBsworths grifting his last grift.
Blame it on Brexit ???
Yep. Brexits got alot to answer for
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O'Brien will just bide his time. He is riddled with identity politics. In fact, he is so far left he's in a different post code.
His family chose to be in this position when their child was arrested at age 13 and didn’t up their parenting skills.
Aww bless LBC removing comments again
Because you spam on every video.
They try their best mate but I think even they know James is spiraling out of control so they're trying to protect him for the time being.
@@PLl-jr8xiRoubles or crypto..?
Shock 😲 family of gangster doesn't trust police ....... 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Until the day they need their help 🤣
Many people in this country have little faith in the police
@@wilhelm4321I know. They could smash my door in at 6am for some of the dank memes I post on the internet, terrifying times
@@wilhelm4321 and many have lots of faith
@@wilhelm4321 what people seem to forget is they have no say in what they do it all comes from above , their hands are tied unfortunately so it’s ether to as told or be out of a job 🤷♀️ same with pretty much all police forces around the world .
If he had nothing to hide, why didn’t he just get out the car when asked to do so by the Police?
I'm sorry about if you know your family member a proven criminal dnt expect anything except prison or death one day. Dont be a victim
He wanted to be an architect for acess to blueprints😂😂😂😂
If only young men in gangs visited the countryside and studied flora and fauna, or even studied at school, shocking as this idea may sound.
If only the majority of gang members weren't groomed into it ....
Why are we still talking about this criminal and his family
How is it James seeing the side you chose annihilating you and everything you stand for with each passing day? Time to have a rethink or a none biased thought in your noggin?
Kaba case traumatising, say black community leaders.
If I may be so bold as to question your 'trauma.'
A lot of your trauma comes from the fact that within some communities (skin colour irrelevant) criminals can inflict more trauma on people within said communities who report their criminal activities than the Police themselves.
You are in a 'trauma bind.' You need to address that.
They should be vocally disowning Kaba and apologising for wasting everyone’s time. Then start focusing on getting their sons out of these gangs.
@@jimid9240No no no they must blame YT people for their continuous mistakes. How else can they use the victim card?
I think they need anonymity untill convicted, and I'm no fan of police but where wouldcwe be without them. More training and better selection process i would say.
@HarpoonB2 why are we blaming police for a gangster dieing
@@brolly2612We aren’t,”we” were trying to find out if his death was in anyway explicable in the face of British law.
There you go sunshine,I’ve educated you.
@@markhepworththe police were responding to a possibly armed individual who had been involved in a shooting the night before, armed police approached the vehicle and demanded he stopped he then proceeded to try to ram police vehicles while police were on foot and in the line of possible injury or death. The police had reasonable grounds to suspect the driver was armed, anyone who refuses to give up in the face of armed police is clearly desperate and knowing this the officer feared for himself and the general public and decided to end the situation before anyone got seriously injured or killed which was a strong possibility at the time given the actions of Kaba. This should never have gone to trial anyone with any common sense can see that. It’s tragic that this happened but to then pull the officer through the court system for simply doing his job is disgusting, situations like this will only weaken the power of the police there should have been a strong response from the police and government that they supported the actions of the officer that night to protect his colleagues and the public and left it at that, but instead they tried to throw an officer under the bus now they look dumb and have made the situation even worse
He was a criminal
I have zero sympathy for kaba's family . They kew he was a "gangster" and was happy taking the "rewards" and trying to keep his past out of the media. The policeofficer was found not guilty without knowing kaba's past and the family are still shouting there mouths off.
why is Neil Basu stating that he knows how the black community feels. He doesnt have a clue
Even James fanboys are gonna find it hard to follow him on this one.
Well the cleverer ones anyway.
There are no clever ones.
As a Labour supporter, I am firmly with the police officer. We can't afford to give votes to Reform UK by siding with undesirable people like Kaba.
Nigel Farage PM 2029
Why not side with Reform when it’s Labour politicians defending a notorious criminal over the hard working man?
How are you still supporting Labour
You support Labour? This is a party that operates on identity politics first - and that is the reason the left have been showing sympathy for this violent, gun toting black gangster.
Same here. Almost all of us agree on this - even the people I know that are on the left of the party.
His family knew exactly what he was and the community that know him are also part of it. It sounds like you are talking to children then again you did thank James O’Brien for letting you on his show.
Guys an idiot his family are massively to blame they raised him?
The idiot possibly think it’s the fault of ordinary people like you and me, that the yob turned out to be a gangster. 😂
She’s a rude interrupting holier than thou
Just o brien to stick up for the guilty black man
O 'Brien will still be talking about this years later. It's another Brexit moment for him.
It is different. On Kaba, he is wrong. On Brexit, facts are 10000% on his side.
@@Max88-xl2si 10000%? I hope that's a typo. A percent is part of 100, not, 10000. Whether he's right on Brexit, is a matter of opinion. I voted out, because I don't want to live under a dictatorship.
@@Jack_Warner it is not a matter of opinion. If we lose 100 billion pounds a year because of Brexit, it is not an opinion. If our international reputation is in ruin, it is not an opinion. If the cost of living crisis has impacted more Britain than any other european country, it is not an opinion. And it is not an opinion If the value of our currency dropped after the referendum. Facts do not care about your feelings.
@@Max88-xl2si What about all the money we were paying the EU? That was colossal.
@@Max88-xl2si Also, explain to me how we are losing £100 billion? We got on ok before we joined, so what's the big deal, unless you're on the gravy train, I don't get it. I'm thick.
What needs to happen is; people like James need to respect the black community enough to admit they disagree with them.
Including the conduct of the media
Kaba daba doooooohhhhhh😅
scooby doo?
Basu turns O'Brien on
Isn’t it so obvious….
How many of the people who Joe Tommy Robinson who were involved would come and sit a life polygraph test for integrity with me not f****** one
Thank you police for TRYING to keep us safe.
Consequences, Kaba could have stopped and put his hands up, and got out of the car, he chose not to, he is responsible for the police actions.
His family did choose it. They knew the life he lived and done NOTHING to stop it. Infact they more than likely enjoyed benefiting from his criminal lifestyle
His family killed him
James and LBC promoting race hate.
We shut our borders down unless they sit polygraph test no one comes into this land and we get a grip of the situation now
When i was in the army, we had a saying "tango sierra"
These two tried their best to present an argument that black is white.....No wonder the UK is in such a state.
classic case of mercy to the guilty and cruelty to the innocent
Here's an invaluable life lesson ........... there are consequences if you do not obey the laws of the land, particularly when endangering other peoples' lives. Simple and no navel gazing required!
A sad situation all round.
Just maybe if he had been disciplined and his Mother had kept him at home at night ( No Father available to install discipline) he would now be a fully qualified Architect.
An architect of crime
I heard that it was only after the trial the jury found out who this Kaba guy was. Surely this has an impact on any decision the police make, knowing he is capable of extreme violence has a history of weapons offences has to have an impact on the police officers involved. Are they now expected to wait until one of them is killed to be able to take any action?
A tragedy? 😂 Only LBC see it that way
And the BBC I suppose?
Why is the officer faceing misconduct charges 🤔
He was a dangerous criminal end of. Yes police should be held to account if they are in the wrong, in this case they aren't
What's watershed about a criminal
In these cases the prosecutor knows they are going to lose before the start. It's all talked about before hand.
Ofcourse he shouldn't have been prosecuted,though it should always be investigated to study wether the correct procedures where followed period
Well it’s the investigation that got him charged.
JOB needs sacking
As an armed policeman. Would you want your family through all of this.
What’s wrong with this channel? It normally cheers this kind of thing on such a left wing leaning channel actually seeing the truth???
Very nice, balanced view, thanks. It's a difficult job! I understand the need for anonymity.. but cops are human, they make mistakes, they may be subject to one of the many human vices, their colleagues cover for them, they understand how to make the system works and soon you have the Met
She does not have a clue about weapons or ballistics or the split second decision making that is needed when firing a weapon in these circumstances,,maybe if kaba had of shot his victim in the arm or chest he might still be alive or how about if kaba didn’t have a gun to use in the first place they might both still be alive,we all know what this is really about for you lady
You live by the sword...
Somebody up north white was shot to death..shall we question that...James o brien is a grifter!!
The statistic at the beginning. Proves perhaps Britain has the best police in the world when it comes to their armed division. Amazing stat. Pity they're being used as Starmers lackies, against his own population like the Stazi. Bless
The conservatives basically changed the purpose of Trident from what it was originally, will it under the labour party return to what it was originally created to do.Because the Tories decisions have done a lot of damage to the black communities at large and have not helped to establish trust with the police, especially the last home secretary.
This case is biggest racism example ever ,if that had been any other colour skin .not one of you would be talking about it ,when is the media stop feeding the skin colour angle
What is meant by "the Police want to have confidence in the system that holds them to account", is they want an internal complaint system and a CJS that is inherently bias in favour of the officers, in every case.
@@Sullivan-z9z Police culture
211. Much of the evidence we received spoke to deep-seated cultural issues within the
police service. Strikingly, policing witnesses were almost united in lamenting a riskaverse ‘culture of blame’. Stephen Mold argued that “risk management, as opposed to risk aversion, should be the mantra of national and local political masters and law enforcement practitioners”, and that the police should “Adopt the ‘learn from failure’ model practised by the airline industry as opposed to the ‘blame & claim’ culture seen within the NHS”.306
The Police Federation said that officers need to be held accountable in a “supportive and
appropriate” manner, “moving away from a culture of blame to a learning culture”.307 The
PSAEW also referred to the “culture of blame that pervades within policing”, and called
for a “culture that learns from its mistakes, both at an individual and an organisational
level”.308 The NPCC said that the service “must move from a ‘blame’ culture to one which
values questioning, learning and improvement’”.309
212. The police complaints system was regularly referred to as a key source of risk aversion
in policing. For example, the Police Federation said that the IOPC needs to move “towards
a culture of learning from mistakes”, and that the “historic culture of blame” often “makes
it difficult for the police service to have open and inclusive conversations about how it can
improve processes”, making it “difficult to implement positive change”.310 The Met Police
also argued that “officers making genuine mistakes need to be supported to learn-not
fear misconduct”, the latter of which “encourages a closed culture”. Its written submission
asserted that “wrong-doing needs to be addressed, but the balance is currently imperfect”.311
213. The Independent Office for Police Conduct launched formally in January, replacing
the much-criticised Independent Police Complaints Commission. The Government
promised “speedier decision-making” under new leadership, with a new board “to ensure
greater accountability to the public”.312 The PSAEW’s submission to this inquiry said that,
in the 38 misconduct investigations against its members in 2015, no further action was
taken in over 70% of the cases finalised at the time of writing; only one case had led to a
dismissal.313 In August, the NPPC’s lead for complaints and misconduct, Chief Constable
Craig Guildford, reportedly told the Police Oracle that reforms are underway to shift the
culture of the misconduct system from “blame to learning”. Changes being “worked on”
include a raised threshold for what constitutes misconduct and gross misconduct; issuing
terms of reference to an officer subject to a notice; requiring investigative bodies to produce
reports explaining why a misconduct hearing is taking more than 12 months to complete;
and introducing more clarity regarding the IOPC’s ‘case to answer’ test for misconduct hearings.314 We will monitor the reforms introduced by the IOPC and other bodies, and consider in due course whether more detailed scrutiny of the police complaints system is required.
No
@@youngsalmon5188 no? What's your version of accountability then?
that's very much how it sounds. I don't see an issue with the current independent system. It may make choices we don't agree with but they are subject matter experts who do not look at things from an emotional view.
I’m sure they want a fair system that doesn’t throw them under the bus when they’ve done their job properly for fear of riots. The IOPC and CPS should be ashamed of themselves in this case.
I don't believe an unarmed person in a hemmed in car incapable of reaching more that 3 miles an hour was a threat to any trained officer. Their job is to arrest, not execute.
How did they know he was unarmed when the vehicle was flagged up with firearms being used from that car ?
Pathetic
@@alandagmar576 "Imminent danger to life", which is the threshold for an armed officer using his gun, does not mean "flagged up with firearms being used from that car", otherwise we'd have a police state. The defence was that he posed an imminent danger to life with his car.
James O'Brien is ira and kgb
And married Chris Ryan sas and ira kgb agent
Who are the white men/women who have been executed by armed police in similar situations? 🧐
Working 8 -12 hours a day?
@@ArnoldJudasRimmer.. oh that’s strange. Why are there so many of them claiming benefits and why are there so many in prison then??
@@Pressure-xs6nq thats a fair cop tbf man 🤣.
Was just purely speaking from my own experience lol.
Man there are bad eggs from all walks of life.
@@ArnoldJudasRimmer.. at least you’re honest. 👍
@@Pressure-xs6nq tbf my first comment came off not as intended lol.
Just wished we can all get along in this country?
We all in the struggle.
black.pantber and isis man talking
Wonder what O'Brien's real name is ?
Barack obrain😂😂😂
This is a tragedy and also for the police involved in this situation. Anything can happen in this kind of situation.
I blame Brexit
If you cannot handle the response of being charged for not doing your job properly, do not join the swat unit. Simple.
Tuff
This is the most balanced discussion I've heard on this topic.
Love it when James has Neil on. Superb takes, and look forward to the book
😂😂😂😂😂😂
Oh the book is only a side show ....then again mabe not.
You must be taking the Michael?
At least they aren't as trigger-happy as some others
You have a gun
He has a gun
What do you do?
Too late..you are dead.