Why don’t you explain why SADIQ KHAN supports a drug dealer when he obviously new the drug dealers record And doesn’t support the police He’s supposed to be in charge of police The man’s a disgrace
@@diamondwest35 yes obviously he in charge of the met police you would have to be pretty stupid if you did know that he had a huge criminal record wouldn’t you
He would have been alive if we would go back to the day of respect for the uniform of Police. By seeing the police you would stop and see what the police wanted. Therefore, as a black person myself, the Police have the right to keep themselves safe so the public. I am with the Police on this one.
@samanthamccarthy9765 That's what the jury avoided doing. They look at the case on the merit of what's in front of them. You have to protect police officers.
His position in the car only left his upper body and head as a target. Shooting out the tyres would not stop him using a gun if he had one on him, nor would flat tyres have stopped the vehicle from being moved and used as a weapon.
Yes the car was involved in a shooting the day before and Chris had a conviction sheet longer than an elephants trunk which started when he was 14, ranging from stabbing to carrying a replica gun then he rammed numerous police vehicles. He messed around for the last time and got shown what happens. The officer did his job and duty in protecting not only himself and fellow officers but also the public. This isn't a race issues and shouldn't be labelled as one. It was a man who was a career criminal doing what he's always done. We need to remember armed police do not get paid extra for carrying guns. Armed police are called on average 4000 times a year only in 0.00002% is the gun ever fired. This was a good officer who did a good job. He should be rewarded not had a trial.
Yes they do, if he was dealing with someone with not record maybe he'd have had more leeway. A person as despicable as this fella couldn't be trusted @@TheMouse-gc9ft
The police could not merely immobilise the car. An unknown person was driving a car that was used as a get-away vehicle in a shooting the day before, and in 2 other incidents previously. The driver's behaviour made police afraid that the same shooter, of the day before, was the one behind the wheel, and probably armed. Also, the ramming of police vehicles could have led to the knocking down and killing of police officers. The police officer acted reasonably in light of the circumstances.
No one will ever really know if the police thought his life was at risk or not, very hard for any of us to understand that! But with all the commotion, lights flashing, the guy still trying to escape etc he may have had a gun himself, and we could be talking about the police man dying instead! So all that being said knowing what we know now about Kaba i know who i stand with, and it's not him! He was a thug like last caller said, and the 2 callers saying it was murder is beyond stupid! I would like to ask both of them, if when Kaba was firing that gun in a nightclub, he had accidently hit and killed one of their children in there at the time, would they really be bleating on about it was murder crap, i think not!! At the end of the day, this world is better off without people like that!!! About time we were on the side of the good guys, not scum running the streets, and killing people!!
Indeed. We live in a backwards society where criminals are lauded, looking at George Floyd too, and the people trying to protect are seen as the bad guys.
@@13thnotehifireviews7 should have stopped and not crash through other cars,he was totally irresponsible and dangerous..the police didn't know he could have a gun with him. He certainly owned one. He was a danger to society with no moral compass whatsoever.
@@13thnotehifireviews7 Other than the fact it reversed into one police car then drove into another so it was not stationary at all, it was being used as a weapon
the car was blocked in by Range Rover which weighed 2.28 tonne and also a Tesla which weight 1.8 tonne plus cars on either side and 3 police vehicles plus multiple armed officers. There was hardly an immediate threat there.
The police knew that the vehicle had been involved in a firearms incident in the recent past therefore they already knew that there was a possibility of a firearm being in the car, and the aggressive manner in which he drove the car indicated a serious threat.
Any reasonable person driving the car would stop at the police request - it's suspicious not to do so. The car was used in a shooting and in other incidents therefore the police had to assume that the driver might have been armed.
@diamondwest35 absolutely yes. If this was just a case of someone not wearing a seat belt then I'd expect the police to be reasonable .. more serious crimes then why would anyone want them to be reasonable other than the criminal
The fact of the matter is that this thug Kaba went to a night club to shoot someone. Loads of other black people there failed to come forward as they had prevously when he was committing crimes. Perhaps if someone had spoken up before he would be in prison rather than dead. The judge who released the officers name should be removed from the bench.
Totally agree that poor policemen and his family’s lives has been ruined because he was doing his job and that stupid judge releasing his name should be disbarred
Its naming him when the criminal, who'd shot a gut week before and, after a shooting day before, had gunpowder residue on his sleeve and a balaclava in his pocket! Now we know why he drove car at police, he was getting remanded then jailed for 15 years... How DARE the family and MPs claim he was a budding architect and loving family man🙄🤬🤡
time to call for the race card to be banned he was a violent thug end off he lived that way his family need a massive reality check they say he didnt get a chance to be handcuffed he should have stopped the car then no sympathy what so ever his family are deluded
It's crazy to me all the excuses people are making to defend Chris Kaba. "He was Unarmed!" He was in a car, a car can be used as a weapon. "The cop should of jumped out the way!" If they let him drive off he could have killed someone. "They didn't even try to arrest him." Kaba never once tried to surrender himself. "it's because he's black!" He's literally a violent gang member. "Chris wouldn't of shot the police." Why not, he shot a dude in a night club Infront of a hundred people?
I wander thro’ each charter’d street, Near where the charter’d Thames does flow. And mark in every face I meet Marks of weakness, marks of woe. Chris's sensitive poem about ''his'' London .............written between episodes of shooting and stabbing gang rivals ......and prison sentences.
No he wasn't he was a man who was empowered sometimes by an imitation firearm His black culture and his ambition to get up the criminal ladder Which he failed at, Because he's now dead, He was twenty-four year old grown man walking around a nightclub in a mask intimidating the students with a firearm Trust me We are not talking about Billy the kid HERE
All these women calling up have been watching too many movies 😂. Always critically of the police, but they will be the first ones squealing like a stuck pig and calling the police begging for there help when they get themselves in trouble
How on earth can anyone in the position this Officer was in when he saw his co partner in trouble not to protect his partner.why didn’t this man just get out of the car instead of trying to get away.We now know why because of his previous crimes.
did they mention the fact that if Kapa had not been shot dead, he would have gone down with three of his fellow gang members for attempted murder of another gang member. The victim was someone called Brendon Malutshi
can this man saying that there was a reason why this police man maybe wrong go stand in front of a car doing this that was known to be used in the way it was and say that was not going to harm the officers is he foe real seriously
The quick verdict from the jury would be expected as there was very little to contest, unlike a normal murder trial. Both sides agreed that the defendant did kill the deceased. Normally the defendant might deny everything: being at the scene, knowing or having ever seen the victim, having any motive, having ever seen the murder weapon etc. They might produce allibies, witnesses in their favour etc. There's normally much more for the jury to discuss.
I think it’s fine that he was prosecuted. I don’t think it’s fine that he was identified. Police should be scrutinised to a high level when they take a life.I don’t have a problem with different rules applying for police on identification issues until after the trial because they are in a unique position. The jury examined all the evidence and the system worked.
A shout out also for Gina, our latest tactical firearms specialist. Thank goodness she phoned in to supplement Henry Bonsu who knows everything about tactics
Well the officer had a fight or flight reaction biased black african. Cnt accept mr kabba was partially responsible for the fight or flight reaction he received.
And thank you also to Naomi, our 2nd tactical firearms specialist and criminal justice expert (PS Naomi previous history is not always excluded in trial. Bad character can be introduced under certain circumstances).
Wrong charge. It wasn't murder far as we can tell. However if you think it's ok to kill someone based on what they MIGHT do there's something wrong with you.
I hate to be the one to say it but why are these programmes never turning their gaze on these communities and why they condone, excuse and protect gangsters. Its very easy to blame others to deflect blame from yourself
What the Police did know was that the car had been involved in a shooting. What they didn't know was whether the occupant was armed or not. In this case they had to assume that he was. It was dark and if they driver had made a move that could be construed as going for a gun then the armed officer has a split second to make a decision. If the officer had not shot and the suspect had subsequently shot either him or one of his colleagues then he would have been castigated. That is a catch 22 scenario. I do agree with the thought that maybe they charged him with a charge that he was highly likely to be acquitted of to try and ease any public outcry. Had he been charged with manslaughter then he may have been found guilty given that the background to this incident was not disclosed during the trial.
The main stream media already new but still went out and named the officer if anything happens to that officer the media will have blood on their hands
Jeremy vine is pretty ignorant too on the rule of self defence at 13:43. A citizen or police officer cannot shoot someone because they may use their car as a weapon. This is pretty obvious legally. The right to self defence is one where risk exists. Police don’t have powers to shoot to kill to avoid crimes in the UK and I think we all want that regardless of who this guy was because the law has to apply equally, with obvious horrendous consequences if it isn’t equal
Geoffs the best guest they get on this show fullstop and I suspect sits nearer to the man on the streets opinion without getting all silly and "back in my day" over it. He's rational but doesnt get political. Doesnt feel like theres an agenda. Pretty much agree with him completely on this subject. Investigation yes but a murder charge?, thank god it went the way it did or this country would be doomed. Yes the bullet hit him in the head but that doesnt mean he was aiming there. If anything this has sent a precedence and should be the end of these cases but who knows in the current crazy climate?.
The whole prosecution was about the fact that the car was wedged in,so did he need to shoot!!!! But if he was keft he might have continued to ram the car in front putting lives at risk!!!! So the was found not guilty,which was the right decision.if the blicking car had blocked the road properly then he would have never had a means of escape.. 2 as they was folliwing the car and not the person it was right to not include past offences.. right decision he was gound inicent by his perrs,but i wholly disagrea that the officers name should have been released..
He would have bern under observation, they knew he was in the car sorty i dont believe that,it was a police operation to follow and stop the car!!!! It was a planned operation not a random stop.watching the video it seems apparent that they did not really stop the car in the best place,did not block it in 100% with a gsp between the parked car and the stop car big enough for him to try and ram through..
Why do they need to shoot to kill? We say we don't want a nanny state.....we can all see clearly that he couldn't go anywhere! Injure bit not kill! May aswell bring back hanging etc....yrs he was a bad man but the police didn't know that at the time? And to be fair if it wasn't for the police and the government then these things would never happen
i mean this Kaba guy is a dangerous guy. raming his way through .if i were a judge i would have let the jury know his past . very Fair trail . Thats why am not a judge .his parents seeking justice . what justice?i mean come on
People call him a dangerous guy I believed he was a THUG who used imitation & Real firearms occasionally To intimidate people As for his parents of course they had the lawyers inside their head telling them they would get a massive eye watering payout if even a manslaughter charge was brought against the officer
@@jamesbomd3503 so is he not dangerous? if a human being is an innocent person, i dont think they should be ramming their car between 2 police cars . Thug, dangerous ? which is which . all the same
@@samanthamccarthy9765 I understand the premise however I just wanted to make it very very clear he is not Jack the ripper or Billy the kid They had street credibility
The guy calling in at around 13:26 saying the police are justified shooting because he may have a gun. I’m not defending Kaba but rights of all and sorry this is pretty ignorant thing to say with the laws in the uk…..You or I can take action and lethal force against another if we fear for our lives. This is a real, legitimate, ongoing threat. It’s not something that could happen. But also the standard I or others apply to others is exactly the same standard police apply to Kaba, which people don’t seem to understand. Because the car was still at the time of the shot there was no impending risk.
But he was driving it back and fore so it was a RISK, just because Thad stopped for a second is irrelevant as he was probably putting it back into reverse to move again - some people need to wake up with what was going on
@@OleGitRule he couldn’t because the police car from behind was blocking him so he couldn’t reverse if you were following the vine graphic. You see the police car from behind come up against Kaba’s car again after kaba takes the gap towards the Tesla and then reverses back. It’s almost impossible to move a car with its hand break on by spinning your wheels bumper to bumper against it - as that’s all that will happen because of the weight of the vehicles front and back. Only if the car has inertia and speed will it move a car, which is why police use this in enforced stops.
It wasn't still, he had gunpowder residue on his sleeve and a balaclava in his pocket ! (So he WAS the guy who did the shooting night before, 3 gang members went to jail for the that shooting and Kaba would have joined them). He's using car as a ram, shot someone week before AND NIGHT BEFORE, what more do you need? YOU wouldn't do the job but would be on phone in an instant if s*** hits fan. A violent gang leader, who'd shot multiple people, dealing crack and heroin, stabbed people and beat his pregnant girlfriend...wtf is wrong with a community that riors for THAT guy??
The issues we face in this country stem from a long history of racism, my earliest knowledge is when people from the Commonwealth including my own grandparents. Despite being law abiding citizens and there contribution to the UK. They were invited here and then treated poorly. History has shown us that these split-second decisions, particularly when it comes to people of color, are often disproportionately harsh. While the police must be free to do their jobs, there must also be checks and balances to ensure everyone's safety. Without these safeguards, I’m certain we would see more instances of trigger-happy officers who believe it's open season on people of color. Even today, in 2024, friends and family still talk about their kids being called the N-word by white people at school, showing that this racism is far from over. It's a sad story for both sides
I mean ffs he’s family talking about living in a society where police shoot people is laughable after her brother or boyfriend whatever he is to her goes around shooting other people on a regular basis. 2 people a year are shot on average a year & how many armed response officers are there & there’s 2 police shootings on average this gang member shot 2 people in the last month he’s shot just as much people in a month then what the police do in a whole year. & he’s family dare talk about police are allowed to shoot willy nilly 😂 you can’t make it up
The force was excessive as the car was stationary and not an impending risk and blocked in. As the gentleman said, who is absolutely right, the police did not know Kaba was driving the car, agreed. It was absolutely right to bring the charges. I’ve no idea why the jury took the decision they did but it shows, probably, that people are sympathetic to police who they perceive are doing a tough job, but that they didn’t understand that the risk didn’t exist at the time - in which case it is manslaughter. Also that the force the public can use is the same as police and that people can only take lethal force if there is clearly and obviously a mortal risk to oneself and this risk is continuing. It wasn’t in this case.
@@jacobjermy3596 the car was stuck and the risk had changed. Please educate yourself as to what had happened. I don’t understand why people think police are entitled to use anymore lethal force then others in society.
@@13thnotehifireviews7 he had already tried to ram his colleagues beforehand, making his intent to at the very least hurt or maybe even kill the officers clear. He was still a very serious threat to life… but yeah keep making these stand up to racism faries think they’re the victim I guess
@@jacobjermy3596 no because you can only kill someone in self defence if the risk is one of death and it’s continuing. That’s the sane for police. You can’t kill if the risk is of injury. He wasn’t a threat with the car blocked and officers out of the way
I'm proud of the police in this case, Kaba was a criminal so his action would have been of a criminal, simple as that.
Why don’t you explain why SADIQ KHAN supports a drug dealer when he obviously new the drug dealers record
And doesn’t support the police
He’s supposed to be in charge of police
The man’s a disgrace
race isnt it , Sadiq will support anything playing the race card
...obviously knew
@@diamondwest35 yes obviously he in charge of the met police you would have to be pretty stupid if you did know that he had a huge criminal record wouldn’t you
He would have been alive if we would go back to the day of respect for the uniform of Police. By seeing the police you would stop and see what the police wanted.
Therefore, as a black person myself, the Police have the right to keep themselves safe so the public. I am with the Police on this one.
if he was alive , he still had a pending case as its on the news he committed crime a week beforee or so
@samanthamccarthy9765 That's what the jury avoided doing. They look at the case on the merit of what's in front of them. You have to protect police officers.
His position in the car only left his upper body and head as a target. Shooting out the tyres would not stop him using a gun if he had one on him, nor would flat tyres have stopped the vehicle from being moved and used as a weapon.
Kaba wouldn’t have made it to 18 in America
That part!! People forget how lucky we are to live in the place without firearms.
@@LuzDoSol-yr5bvunless your a gang member
@@LuzDoSol-yr5bv what is a fire gun?
@@diamondwest35 Sorry firearms
They may not have known Kaba was driving but they will have known which lowlifes were linked to the car, probably raising the risk level
Yes the car was involved in a shooting the day before and Chris had a conviction sheet longer than an elephants trunk which started when he was 14, ranging from stabbing to carrying a replica gun then he rammed numerous police vehicles. He messed around for the last time and got shown what happens. The officer did his job and duty in protecting not only himself and fellow officers but also the public. This isn't a race issues and shouldn't be labelled as one. It was a man who was a career criminal doing what he's always done. We need to remember armed police do not get paid extra for carrying guns. Armed police are called on average 4000 times a year only in 0.00002% is the gun ever fired. This was a good officer who did a good job. He should be rewarded not had a trial.
None of this matters. All that matters is if the cop really was threatened or not. I think he was, but the past events don’t matter at all.
Yes they do, if he was dealing with someone with not record maybe he'd have had more leeway. A person as despicable as this fella couldn't be trusted @@TheMouse-gc9ft
Yes it does matter, if he wasn't well known for being a violent thug maybe the police would have approached it less wary. @@TheMouse-gc9ft
@@vikingfrog7204 either way he was a danger to society. We don't need gangsters with guns on our streets, He was evil.
@@TheMouse-gc9ft it’s not about whether he was threatened….it’s about threat to life , if that’s what you meant.
I thought Kaba was a trainee architect, musician, talented footballer, father to be and all round decent bloke and would be saint.
The police could not merely immobilise the car. An unknown person was driving a car that was used as a get-away vehicle in a shooting the day before, and in 2 other incidents previously. The driver's behaviour made police afraid that the same shooter, of the day before, was the one behind the wheel, and probably armed. Also, the ramming of police vehicles could have led to the knocking down and killing of police officers. The police officer acted reasonably in light of the circumstances.
The car was a deadly weapon bro these guys are mentally cooked
And most importantly, the car wasn't in his name.
the car was transport and not a deadly weapon
@@LuzDoSol-yr5bv my car isn't in my name but it is very much legal for me to drive it.
@diamondwest35 I have to look over again. I think the same car was involved something prior to the incident.
Its quite simple, when the police stop you etc, just stop unless you have something to hide, and if so you reap what you sow.
No one will ever really know if the police thought his life was at risk or not, very hard for any of us to understand that!
But with all the commotion, lights flashing, the guy still trying to escape etc he may have had a gun himself, and we could be talking about the police man dying instead!
So all that being said knowing what we know now about Kaba i know who i stand with, and it's not him!
He was a thug like last caller said, and the 2 callers saying it was murder is beyond stupid!
I would like to ask both of them, if when Kaba was firing that gun in a nightclub, he had accidently hit and killed one of their children in there at the time, would they really be bleating on about it was murder crap, i think not!!
At the end of the day, this world is better off without people like that!!!
About time we were on the side of the good guys, not scum running the streets, and killing people!!
@@Sharon-zi1xn well said 👋
Indeed. We live in a backwards society where criminals are lauded, looking at George Floyd too, and the people trying to protect are seen as the bad guys.
Threat to life comes from the 2.5 tonne car Kaba was driving with no regards for anything other than getting away
Except the car was stationary as the vt showed.
@@13thnotehifireviews7 should have stopped and not crash through other cars,he was totally irresponsible and dangerous..the police didn't know he could have a gun with him. He certainly owned one. He was a danger to society with no moral compass whatsoever.
@@13thnotehifireviews7 Other than the fact it reversed into one police car then drove into another so it was not stationary at all, it was being used as a weapon
the car was blocked in by Range Rover which weighed 2.28 tonne and also a Tesla which weight 1.8 tonne plus cars on either side and 3 police vehicles plus multiple armed officers. There was hardly an immediate threat there.
@@diamondwest35 how did the officer know the guy in the car wasn't armed so he believes there is still a threat
The police knew that the vehicle had been involved in a firearms incident in the recent past therefore they already knew that there was a possibility of a firearm being in the car, and the aggressive manner in which he drove the car indicated a serious threat.
Any reasonable person driving the car would stop at the police request - it's suspicious not to do so. The car was used in a shooting and in other incidents therefore the police had to assume that the driver might have been armed.
any reasonable police officer would not conclude that there was an immediate threat to life because the driver was trying to escape
@@diamondwest35 I'd expect police to be reasonable in minor crime incidents ..
@@Marcthered Hmmm...so should the threshold therefore be higher for police in major crime incidents?
@diamondwest35 absolutely yes. If this was just a case of someone not wearing a seat belt then I'd expect the police to be reasonable .. more serious crimes then why would anyone want them to be reasonable other than the criminal
@@diamondwest35 do you
God bless Mr Blake
God bless Denise from Berkshire
These women dialling in getting angry. The guy demonised himself!
This country is lost...end of discussion..thanks to the last 5 or 6 governments for letting this happen..
The fact of the matter is that this thug Kaba went to a night club to shoot someone. Loads of other black people there failed to come forward as they had prevously when he was committing crimes. Perhaps if someone had spoken up before he would be in prison rather than dead. The judge who released the officers name should be removed from the bench.
Totally agree that poor policemen and his family’s lives has been ruined because he was doing his job and that stupid judge releasing his name should be disbarred
ALICE….politely DO ONE
She didn't make sense 😂
Now it's playing the victims...!!! For compansation... What's new...
Play stupid games win stupid prizes 👍🏻
The family accepted the police findings it was only because the iopc got involved they saw the £ signs.
Its naming him when the criminal, who'd shot a gut week before and, after a shooting day before, had gunpowder residue on his sleeve and a balaclava in his pocket!
Now we know why he drove car at police, he was getting remanded then jailed for 15 years...
How DARE the family and MPs claim he was a budding architect and loving family man🙄🤬🤡
👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻💯right
Stop demonising the gang member running around shooting people. He had anxiety. Suffering from mental health.
not any more
@@dianecameron137 🤣
You're being cynical, aren't you?
time to call for the race card to be banned he was a violent thug end off he lived that way his family need a massive reality check they say he didnt get a chance to be handcuffed he should have stopped the car then no sympathy what so ever his family are deluded
Spot on 👍
It's crazy to me all the excuses people are making to defend Chris Kaba.
"He was Unarmed!"
He was in a car, a car can be used as a weapon.
"The cop should of jumped out the way!"
If they let him drive off he could have killed someone.
"They didn't even try to arrest him."
Kaba never once tried to surrender himself.
"it's because he's black!"
He's literally a violent gang member.
"Chris wouldn't of shot the police."
Why not, he shot a dude in a night club Infront of a hundred people?
Ban racism first.
I wander thro’ each charter’d street,
Near where the charter’d Thames does flow.
And mark in every face I meet
Marks of weakness, marks of woe.
Chris's sensitive poem about ''his'' London .............written between episodes of shooting and stabbing gang rivals ......and prison sentences.
This man was a core criminal a very dangerous man
indeed, just look @the way he is manoevring the car , no fear of whatsoever . like a criminal that he is .
No he wasn't he was a man who was empowered sometimes by an imitation firearm His black culture and his ambition to get up the criminal ladder Which he failed at, Because he's now dead, He was twenty-four year old grown man walking around a nightclub in a mask intimidating the students with a firearm Trust me We are not talking about Billy the kid HERE
All these women calling up have been watching too many movies 😂.
Always critically of the police, but they will be the first ones squealing like a stuck pig and calling the police begging for there help when they get themselves in trouble
Totally agree
the point the women were making is that you cannot kill a man trying to escape
@@diamondwest35 well you obviously can, because he did
@@brandythedog4764 that does not make it right
@diamondwest35 I never said it did, u said they can't do that and I said they did. What u should of said is they shouldn't of done that
Denise from Berkshire, you are talking absolute crap, manslaughter for doing his job - really!!!!
Denise was spot on
How on earth can anyone in the position this Officer was in when he saw his co partner in trouble not to protect his partner.why didn’t this man just get out of the car instead of trying to get away.We now know why because of his previous crimes.
did they mention the fact that if Kapa had not been shot dead, he would have gone down with three of his fellow gang members for attempted murder of another gang member. The victim was someone called Brendon Malutshi
can this man saying that there was a reason why this police man maybe wrong go stand in front of a car doing this that was known to be used in the way it was and say that was not going to harm the officers is he foe real seriously
She should never have been named it was a terrible things to do..
She who?
She should have said who wants to live in a society where people are running around with guns shooting each other
If Stevie wonder looked at that video for five seconds that should have been enough to say job done great move forward
If the car was known in a shooting then you expect it to be armed .
The quick verdict from the jury would be expected as there was very little to contest, unlike a normal murder trial. Both sides agreed that the defendant did kill the deceased. Normally the defendant might deny everything: being at the scene, knowing or having ever seen the victim, having any motive, having ever seen the murder weapon etc. They might produce allibies, witnesses in their favour etc. There's normally much more for the jury to discuss.
I think it’s fine that he was prosecuted. I don’t think it’s fine that he was identified. Police should be scrutinised to a high level when they take a life.I don’t have a problem with different rules applying for police on identification issues until after the trial because they are in a unique position.
The jury examined all the evidence and the system worked.
A shout out also for Gina, our latest tactical firearms specialist. Thank goodness she phoned in to supplement Henry Bonsu who knows everything about tactics
Well the officer had a fight or flight reaction biased black african. Cnt accept mr kabba was partially responsible for the fight or flight reaction he received.
If this public wants to be protected from criminals for goodness sake let the police do their job..
And thank you also to Naomi, our 2nd tactical firearms specialist and criminal justice expert (PS Naomi previous history is not always excluded in trial. Bad character can be introduced under certain circumstances).
This is solely about the young man’s race,Starmer and Khan were probably hoping the Officer would ave been found guilty.
Wrong charge. It wasn't murder far as we can tell.
However if you think it's ok to kill someone based on what they MIGHT do there's something wrong with you.
It’s a little more than a stretch from the guy defending Chris Kaba.
I hate to be the one to say it but why are these programmes never turning their gaze on these communities and why they condone, excuse and protect gangsters. Its very easy to blame others to deflect blame from yourself
Black man trying to defend the criminals
Who would of guessed
So is ok that he has tried to take another man’s live, but just not his.
Henry bonsu😅 what a tool 😂
@05:40 Keep up Jeremy your guest was talking about what the JURY knew not the POLICE
What the Police did know was that the car had been involved in a shooting. What they didn't know was whether the occupant was armed or not. In this case they had to assume that he was. It was dark and if they driver had made a move that could be construed as going for a gun then the armed officer has a split second to make a decision. If the officer had not shot and the suspect had subsequently shot either him or one of his colleagues then he would have been castigated. That is a catch 22 scenario.
I do agree with the thought that maybe they charged him with a charge that he was highly likely to be acquitted of to try and ease any public outcry. Had he been charged with manslaughter then he may have been found guilty given that the background to this incident was not disclosed during the trial.
@@PatrickLee-h1y I ain't reading all that sorry mate
Thank you to Alice, the tactical firearms specialist
The main stream media already new but still went out and named the officer if anything happens to that officer the media will have blood on their hands
Jeremy vine is pretty ignorant too on the rule of self defence at 13:43. A citizen or police officer cannot shoot someone because they may use their car as a weapon. This is pretty obvious legally. The right to self defence is one where risk exists. Police don’t have powers to shoot to kill to avoid crimes in the UK and I think we all want that regardless of who this guy was because the law has to apply equally, with obvious horrendous consequences if it isn’t equal
Geoffs the best guest they get on this show fullstop and I suspect sits nearer to the man on the streets opinion without getting all silly and "back in my day" over it. He's rational but doesnt get political. Doesnt feel like theres an agenda. Pretty much agree with him completely on this subject. Investigation yes but a murder charge?, thank god it went the way it did or this country would be doomed. Yes the bullet hit him in the head but that doesnt mean he was aiming there. If anything this has sent a precedence and should be the end of these cases but who knows in the current crazy climate?.
He put his hands up in the car then mr kabba very cunningly tried to reverse.
18 times he was asked to stop.
Madness 😠 no way
If the car was wedged in why did he need to shoot?????
because the thug was still driving it he would not stop he was ramming the police
Why didn’t Kaba put his hands up and get out of the car
Did you say someone had put a price on the head of someone?
Who was the car registered too as well?????
The whole prosecution was about the fact that the car was wedged in,so did he need to shoot!!!! But if he was keft he might have continued to ram the car in front putting lives at risk!!!! So the was found not guilty,which was the right decision.if the blicking car had blocked the road properly then he would have never had a means of escape..
2 as they was folliwing the car and not the person it was right to not include past offences.. right decision he was gound inicent by his perrs,but i wholly disagrea that the officers name should have been released..
Vine should be sacked
He would have bern under observation, they knew he was in the car sorty i dont believe that,it was a police operation to follow and stop the car!!!! It was a planned operation not a random stop.watching the video it seems apparent that they did not really stop the car in the best place,did not block it in 100% with a gsp between the parked car and the stop car big enough for him to try and ram through..
Why do they need to shoot to kill? We say we don't want a nanny state.....we can all see clearly that he couldn't go anywhere! Injure bit not kill! May aswell bring back hanging etc....yrs he was a bad man but the police didn't know that at the time? And to be fair if it wasn't for the police and the government then these things would never happen
i mean this Kaba guy is a dangerous guy. raming his way through .if i were a judge i would have let the jury know his past . very Fair trail . Thats why am not a judge .his parents seeking justice . what justice?i mean come on
People call him a dangerous guy I believed he was a THUG who used imitation & Real firearms occasionally To intimidate people As for his parents of course they had the lawyers inside their head telling them they would get a massive eye watering payout if even a manslaughter charge was brought against the officer
@@jamesbomd3503 so is he not dangerous? if a human being is an innocent person, i dont think they should be ramming their car between 2 police cars . Thug, dangerous ? which is which . all the same
@@samanthamccarthy9765 I understand the premise however I just wanted to make it very very clear he is not Jack the ripper or Billy the kid
They had street credibility
Did it have to be a kill shot?????
What would you have done????
Yeah even though he was trying to ram his colleagues with a 2 tonne car it shouldn’t have been a kill shot… lol
The guy calling in at around 13:26 saying the police are justified shooting because he may have a gun. I’m not defending Kaba but rights of all and sorry this is pretty ignorant thing to say with the laws in the uk…..You or I can take action and lethal force against another if we fear for our lives. This is a real, legitimate, ongoing threat. It’s not something that could happen. But also the standard I or others apply to others is exactly the same standard police apply to Kaba, which people don’t seem to understand. Because the car was still at the time of the shot there was no impending risk.
But he was driving it back and fore so it was a RISK, just because Thad stopped for a second is irrelevant as he was probably putting it back into reverse to move again - some people need to wake up with what was going on
@@OleGitRule he couldn’t because the police car from behind was blocking him so he couldn’t reverse if you were following the vine graphic. You see the police car from behind come up against Kaba’s car again after kaba takes the gap towards the Tesla and then reverses back. It’s almost impossible to move a car with its hand break on by spinning your wheels bumper to bumper against it - as that’s all that will happen because of the weight of the vehicles front and back. Only if the car has inertia and speed will it move a car, which is why police use this in enforced stops.
It wasn't still, he had gunpowder residue on his sleeve and a balaclava in his pocket !
(So he WAS the guy who did the shooting night before, 3 gang members went to jail for the that shooting and Kaba would have joined them).
He's using car as a ram, shot someone week before AND NIGHT BEFORE, what more do you need?
YOU wouldn't do the job but would be on phone in an instant if s*** hits fan.
A violent gang leader, who'd shot multiple people, dealing crack and heroin, stabbed people and beat his pregnant girlfriend...wtf is wrong with a community that riors for THAT guy??
@@hamonryechinaski180 it’s thinking of the rule of self defence and law and police brutality, not that scumbag
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The issues we face in this country stem from a long history of racism, my earliest knowledge is when people from the Commonwealth including my own grandparents. Despite being law abiding citizens and there contribution to the UK. They were invited here and then treated poorly.
History has shown us that these split-second decisions, particularly when it comes to people of color, are often disproportionately harsh.
While the police must be free to do their jobs, there must also be checks and balances to ensure everyone's safety. Without these safeguards, I’m certain we would see more instances of trigger-happy officers who believe it's open season on people of color.
Even today, in 2024, friends and family still talk about their kids being called the N-word by white people at school, showing that this racism is far from over. It's a sad story for both sides
I mean ffs he’s family talking about living in a society where police shoot people is laughable after her brother or boyfriend whatever he is to her goes around shooting other people on a regular basis. 2 people a year are shot on average a year & how many armed response officers are there & there’s 2 police shootings on average this gang member shot 2 people in the last month he’s shot just as much people in a month then what the police do in a whole year. & he’s family dare talk about police are allowed to shoot willy nilly 😂 you can’t make it up
The force was excessive as the car was stationary and not an impending risk and blocked in. As the gentleman said, who is absolutely right, the police did not know Kaba was driving the car, agreed. It was absolutely right to bring the charges.
I’ve no idea why the jury took the decision they did but it shows, probably, that people are sympathetic to police who they perceive are doing a tough job, but that they didn’t understand that the risk didn’t exist at the time - in which case it is manslaughter. Also that the force the public can use is the same as police and that people can only take lethal force if there is clearly and obviously a mortal risk to oneself and this risk is continuing. It wasn’t in this case.
Oh dear
He was trying to ram his colleagues please think before you comment
@@jacobjermy3596 the car was stuck and the risk had changed. Please educate yourself as to what had happened. I don’t understand why people think police are entitled to use anymore lethal force then others in society.
@@13thnotehifireviews7 he had already tried to ram his colleagues beforehand, making his intent to at the very least hurt or maybe even kill the officers clear. He was still a very serious threat to life… but yeah keep making these stand up to racism faries think they’re the victim I guess
@@jacobjermy3596 no because you can only kill someone in self defence if the risk is one of death and it’s continuing. That’s the sane for police. You can’t kill if the risk is of injury. He wasn’t a threat with the car blocked and officers out of the way