$1,000,000 UP TOP vs Mike Matusow - Old School VS New School Poker Analysis Episode 2
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 24 ก.ค. 2024
- Welcome Back for Episode 2 of the Old School VS New School Analysis series. This week we focus on an old WSOP Tournament of Champions hand with Mike Matusow. We were three handed with Mike Sexton and playing for the bracelet and the $1,000,000 first place prize.
0:00 Intro
0:24 Old School Analysis
4:30 New School Analysis
14:30 Should Mike have Folded?
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Back at that time, Daniel would have called in Mike's spot... because Daniel called everything. Today, Daniel would also call in Mike's spot... because new theory dictates that he should. So what we have learned is that new school poker has finally caught up to Daniel's eternal loose calls.
@Jaxson Bridger me too!
@Jaxson Bridger Fu Q
I don’t think calling with this hand is too loose but yes he did call a lot with way looser hands
you missed a step, Daniel would have called out his opponent hitting a backdoor flush and then paid to see it anyway :p
Kudos to Negs. He's got a very non technical way of describing the theory which is refreshing. And he's good at explaining both sides, something you don't get from the 'top coaches'.
Thanks Noel!
@@dnegspoker hi Daniel! Do you have a book? I know about your masterclass, but I like books more.
@@gripm773 He does have a book entitled Poker Power. It's a good read but its not entirely based on his play. The book is divided in different categories explaining different types of play (usually linked to different type of games such as Cash games, tournament, etc...). The book is a good read in my opinion but there's some work to do afterwards to complete one's play style and overall technique/knowledge.
Ps : Love the new videos
@@LestherGui thanks a lot!
@@dnegspoker And Phil Hellmuth the GOAT crushed Daniel again hahaha!
Thanks for choosing to do this my man. You're so well spoken and I admire how you are always looking to evolve. You are so calm while teaching as if it benefits you too. Much respect!!
i freakin love this new lil series.. keep em coming!
Really love the analysis. Your growth is inspirational. Thank you.
I really love this series, Daniel. Great to see how the game has developed/evolved over time.
Such a great series ....Easy to understand. Thanks Daniel!
Thanks so much for the educational video, really appreciated!
Love these videos thanks for this!
I’m hearing that almost no matter what action you take at any point would be OK because you should be doing it “some of the time”.
not after you've been at the table for 2 hrs
Sure, but it's more precise than that; there's actual percentages/probabilities to it so ideally you should be using a randomizer like the second hand on your watch. Otherwise you almost certainly aren't taking actions with the optimal frequency as humans are not capable of keeping track of such stuff in their head. You can't say "I should be calling 25% of the time so I can call here" if you're actually calling there every time, because then you aren't doing it 25% of the time.
awesome, looking forward to the next ones!
I was too young to play poker back then, but definite call now with top two, you're definitely ahead of some of the value range for the river bet.
Nice breakdown Dnegs, really enjoying this series.
I somehow keep seeing these really, really early. I like this sort of content! Thanks.
Love these comparison videos. The play now is light years more advanced.
Really Love this format.
I love hearing the old school vs. new school analysis! A♤9♤ is actually one of my least favorite hands. This is exactly the type of situation they always put me in: awesome flop, deathly river. LOL
Love the new type of content
Awesome breakdown man!
10:40 This is probably the million dollar knowledge from this video. "I am betting this turn card with EVERY intention of following it up" . Great video. Very good concept to compare old school vs new school. Fun and polite way of looking at poker hands.
You guys!! I Just figured it out!! Daniel made this video and at the end made fun of how new school players are so much better than old people like Mike the Mouth but Phil gets lots of poker advice from Mike and said he only knows what happened between dnegs and doug in their match because of mike
Such a good analysis!
I wish you could review the hand from the same tournament where Mike Sexton made an unreal call against Matusow's bluff when Sexton could literally beat almost nothing, I think he had like 5th pair or something. I know that hand doesn't involve you Daniel, but what a hand!
Great content again, thankyou. So as it was played, you're checking flop from the SB there 100% of the time after calling pre-flop. But what if you had 3 bet from the SB as you suggest you might do with that hand sometimes? Would you then have a range advantage over the button if he flats your 3 bet? And what's the plan if you do 3 bet from the SB and then completely whiff the flop? Are you balanced or more looking to c-bet heavy and fold to a jam?
Love the old school content!
i understand the explanation of the old school, i am lost with the new one...i am able to play poker...like 10 years ago😕
Daniel Your analysis are Limitless! :D
5:30 bolt twa plawt? 😂 much love Daniel just had to have a chuckle
Excelent series!
Awesome content Daniel
Would love some more Livestreams. Thanks for the videos
Hi. Really interested what would happen in Mouth shoved after river bet. Probably a call with the stack sizes as they were but what if he had 70bb?
The bad play was Mouth just calling on the turn and not putting the hand away and allowing you to see that last flush card.
Mike checking the flop, calling the turn.. you always get burned when you slow play monsters
Not gonna look at a solver rn but I’d imagine it’d want you to bet A9 at a high frequency on the flop because Kx will always call a bet, and SB should have a ton of KQ KJ KTs etc. They should also have some QJs JTs you can either get value from or deny equity from, and you’re denying equity from hands like T8dd when they fold etc. There are also still some Ax in DNs range like ATo and stuff like that.
AK would make for a better check back since you’re blocking Ax and Kx, and Kx is the hand you’re getting called by most. It’d likely tell you to bet A9 at a higher frequency than AK.
It’ll likely have you check both back at some %, but without looking I’d have to imagine A9 goes in to the betting range much more often than AK. With A9 you’re also vulnerable to K turns counterfeiting your hand etc.
I’m not certain, but I think nowadays, A9 would still call the less than full pot bet on the river a large potion of the times. The river bet is not that polarised, considering its 3 handed and his range should be pretty wide, and checked the flop, you could bet less than full pot with K9, KQ and A5 and hoping to get some value from a single A. You may not have that many bluffs, but he can beat some of your value bets.
a 9 is still a call
also lol@ folding k9 3 handed
Bluffs you could have had back then could be QJ or Q10 trying to get a King to fold. Turning one pair into bluffs were all the rage back then!
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How can he get that extra .2?
It would be hard to call with two pair on that board. So many hands beat you, straights, flushes, even a bigger two pair. But like Daniel said back than everyone over called. I think he is 100% correct where the new generation would probably fold that hand. I loves these videos, definitely puts a new perspective on how to look at hands.
Cool stuff!
Man everything he said makes so much sense but unless someone slapped me in the face with this info like Daniel I would’ve taken years if I’m lucky to see all of this. Thanks so much I’ve been watching all your videos and I’ve been running soooooo much better I’m actually building a little bit of a bank now!!!!
Thank you sir..for the guidance..just one question though...please guide on the following scenario..
What if on your turn bet if lets say 40% pot with a flush draw and backdoor straight draw....the opponent min raises or re raises to lets say 3 x...
Firstly sir..what are the chances of our opponent doing this..
Secondly..what equity callling has now for me..
Thirdly..is now folding the only option..with the stacks given
Looking forward to your reply sir.
Regards.
anyone know the music at the end of the vid? (outro music?)
I am very surprised Mike didn't raise on the turn. What that hand shows me is Daniel took advantage of knowing Mike in that play! The interesting part of that hand would of been if Sexton plays! Could have had fireworks on the flip!
Good luck against Phil tomorrow! Can't wait to watch :)
I remember watching this "live" back in the day. I was stupid young.
Отличный стиль, Даниэль!
Surprised I didn't hear you mention Kxdd being in his range there that would check back flop but call turn and beat you on river. Great analysis though really enjoyed it!
All the best with the game tomorrow!
👍👍 would you play QJ S'ed vs QJ off the same way as you explained Dan?
@DNegs, if Mike had raised your turn bet, what then? How large of a size do you call?
🤯 brain hurting at this point, been watching from the beginning today, I miss the old school ways 😔
I feel like if I played the same poker I play now but 10 years ago I'd be a millionaire by now
Doubt it
@@EireIreland88 With all that doubt you carry, you'll never get anywhere
No
@DonnyBlips Jesus calm down man.
I was going to say that is probably true. After 10yrs+ of learning, I would hope so. Lol
where do I buy that shirt?
gotta get some graphics for stacks sizes etc so we can keep up
Dang I feel like I should be paying you for this info. Thanks for sharing!
you are paying him for this info
I am an ultimate novice but I don’t think I could have folded A9. Love the videos Daniel. Keep em coming.
Can you do hand analysis of one of your live wpt pots against EBJ? You had AKo and called his all in he had 87s
what's the name of the song about the end?
Against you, I would fold to that river bet back in the day, but not today. Why not today? Well, because you now have these bluffs mixed into your range :) ...This is player specific to me, so if I knew the player wasn't capable of running this bluff, I insta fold.. however, if I feel that a player can get donkyish-well, I'm most likely calling. Love the content, look forward to more!
Daniel "small ball poker " Negreanu as we all remember the televised foresight!
Do the 73 hand of the great Mike Sexton against Mikey next. Please?
If Mike bets the flop 1/4 pot 67 folds 99% of the time and yeah you win that pot but it's not making up any ground in the tournament so I feel the check is correct play Mike has a good case for a raise on the turn to make player pay to chase the straight, flush
can u do the hand against esfandiari where he folds st.flush.......board
was A2354 all spades . we couldn't see ur cards so i have guess of ur
holdings. FYI....if u need the hand video i can send it to u......tnx
I agree with your assessment. I hadn't looked at it like that, but you can't have AA,AK,KK, and probably not 99. I guess you could have KQ and QJ because you wouldn't be 3betting as much back then, but you wouldn't be bluffing the river with them. Either you have to have K9 or A5 for you to be betting and losing, but even those hands maybe don't make pot size bets
Right, K9 or A5 is likely going to make a smaller bet targeting weaker hands. The larger your bet, the stronger your opponents calling range needs to be. Extreme example, if I bet $1 he will call with an Ace every time, but if you bet a million into 100k he will likely fold the hands you beat, and call with the ones you don't. This concept is called "value cutting"
@@dnegspoker I really like these old school vs now videos. They really help you see things from a different perspective and opens new ideas in poker theory, which always helps me learn more. I hope you make a lot more
@@dnegspoker Thanks for replying
I'm curious, what would you have done if Mike had raised on the turn? What if he shoves? New and old school? He basically passively allowed you to hit your flush. What if he bets the flop? In other words, do you feel like this would have played out differently if Mike was using new school aggression?
If he raised the turn, I would simply do the math and call if the price was good, or fold if it wasn't
cool video again, please do a Rounders hand analysis once :)
Good idea!
@@dnegspoker do the Phil Ivey A6s hand against Tom Dwan on HSP season 6...when you told him “I think I know what you have” did you really put him on the hand he ended up having.
Hello Daniel, greetings from Krakow;)))))))))))))>)))))))
It’s been a REALLY long time lol but didn’t you talk about small ball in that tournament book years ago where you barrel a lot? I read that book and came in 3rd in my first poker tournament and people were getting so annoyed this was 2007ish
Seems harder to call today but only after watching this. Paradox
Factoring that Mike woud slowplay a considerable percentage of his big hands on the flop (or wouldb't he?), is it generally a good idea to throw a river barrel always?
I know a smaller bet accomplishes a lot on the turn, but a bigger bet wouldn't help degine Mike's range further? For example: would he call a 70% pot bet with KT or KJ?
Or a 70% bet would be harder to balance on the hero side?
Love the t shirt where did you get it from?
It was a gift!
Is it right to fold there now (in vacuum no ICM just a hand in a cash game), or you'd fold A,9.
Cool t-shirt
Hard to fold the A9 there : P
New New School, I would say opening 3x from the BB is good, because people are over-defending their BB and calling much lighter if you min raise. So sizing up to 3x generates more steals, and folds out more of their garbage. You may want to min raise your best hands like AA and KK to get action.
Daniel, considering the theory aspect from Mikes point of view, isnt raising the turn a better option for him. He is blocking most set combos except 55's which is just 3 combos. So he has the best hand and would like to charge the draws . Especially with his stack size. Just wondering. Hope you see this question
I like the turn call actually. If I am bluffing, or betting a weaker hand for value, he wants to let me keep the lead and fire the river
@@dnegspoker Thanks for the response. Really loving these analysis videos!! Good luck with today's match against the "brat". But I am 100% sure the "kid" got this :)
I think i would have re-raised the turn card with 2 pair and a possible flush draw on the board. If he (you in this case) want's to hit the flush, you will have to pay for it.
Back in 2004 raising 3 times the big blind was called a standard raise
Everything you said is true, but in that scenario, if I was Mike, I wouldn't have checked the flop. By checking, he allowed you to stick around and set up your turn and river bets.
Yes Mike should have folded because a near pot size bet on a board that polarizing is extremely sus and your bet on the turn was either a protection/value bet on a set, or a draw bet.
How long did he consider the call on the river?
I would put you on a set if your bet on the river was closer to 1/2 or 3/4 pot for fold equity against the flush but pot size puts you closer to the nut hand imo
I didnt know the poker key was so deep.
Do a review like this on a hand you lost! :) Play me in chess, I'm close to what your Elo was in the PogChamps tourney! xD
the sizing up to get more value and less calls is more for cashgames I guess in tournemnt poker your sometimes happy with a small call or Am i totaly wrong
I see and thanks good sir. But... if played this new way and continued the story barreling on the river, if you didn’t hit Gin you would’ve lost... this one. Or am I missing something. Again. Thanks!
I would still call you today. The reason is that I’m just now good enough to come to the correct conclusion but it takes me a long time to think it all through. On the spot, I wouldn’t be able to think quick enough so I would revert to gut feel and make the mistake.
Did you fold if he XR all in in the turn?
Yo Mr. DNEGS, didn't I win a bet with you for that bad ass TV stand you have in your living room? I do recall, am I mistaking? Regardless, it's the dopest TV stand I ever saw.
Don't think you would of had many bluffs back than, but perhaps worse two pair combos, this may of been part of why Mike called.
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, Tom Dwan, Michael McDonald, Sammy Farha(sam calls you even if you don't bluff), Patrik Antonius
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I can watch you guys play for 6 month straight
Patrik is the most silent player of all time, the way he doesn't speak actually entertain the viewers lol
no call. gappers? Libratus? 👍
Old school = play solid cards which win the long run... New school = play any 2 and just get there. I got ya.
I would of folded on the river and figured I got sucked out especially given your starting position. I think Mike thought if he bet the flop you would have just folded so he checked. Not sure why he checked the turn. He missed his move there, because he had you unless you had trips or AK. Nice hand to get lucky on.
He didn’t check turn
I meant call and not raise the turn...
If Mike finds a raise on the turn how often do you continue with this hand?
If I were in that situation as mike was 10 years ago I would have fold....More play is comming
Thats my downfall I don’t tend to analyze hands enough I suppose, but I ain’t folding A-9 three handed from the flop. Matuso should have bet after the flop. I u deratand trying to get value and trapping etc... but the purpose of a bet is to not let players outdraw you. And that is what happened. Its not a question of if Mike shoulda folded, its a question of why he didn’t take that pot down after the flop. Of course thats why I am an amateur and not a pro I guess. Btw Daniel you arenwithout a doubt the best when it comes to reading you opponent. You are the master!
You are being results oriented here which is a common mistake most players make. There is nothing wrong with Mike checking back A9 sometimes on an AK9 flop. You are suggesting its a mistake because I ended up catching runner runner. Also, the purpose of a bet isn't "to not let players outdraw you" the purpose of a bet is either to extract value, bluff, or more in line with what you said, deny equity.
@@dnegspoker I understand what you are saying. I mean how often does a person make a flush after a rainbow flop right? Thanks for the reply Daniel and one question? If Mike bets after the flop, would you have considered calling?
Phil Hellmuth the GOAT crushed Daniel again hahaha! One more time and Daniel can eat his gto bs. Phil beat them all! Jungelman , Polk, and some other TV players like Daniel.. hahaha!
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I rewatched the hand and Mike put you on KQ. You didn't address the idea that Mike can sometimes beat some of your value hands like A5, KQ. Let's say there are 8 combos of KQ and 8 combos of flushes in your range. That alone can justify a call with that price.
Potting the river with A5 and KQ is not totally out of line.
I can’t say I would have called you because I could never play in your league. It’s a dream to sit at a table with you and learn. I guess that’s why I have TH-cam now.
Lol Daniel “New School”....
Probably wouldn’t call that river