7 Dangerous Motorcycle Myths
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 7 มิ.ย. 2024
- Pretty much any beginner rider gets bombarded with all sorts of advice, tips or sometimes myths from our collective community of bikers. Some of those advice are quite good, some are just harmless if not a bit useless. But some advice, floating around, are downright dangerous. In this video we will see 7 such popular misconseptions and discuss why exactly they are so bad.
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Going head on into traffic is sub optimal learning environment.
😂😂😂
"going straight into a truck mid corner is a sub-optimal learning environment" 💀
Hard to disagree with this one 😂
Back in the Stone Age, I learned to ride on a 1975 Honda CB750. I had been shopping for a 350-400 cc motorcycle initially but a friend pointed out that everyone we knew who started on a smaller bike bought a bigger one the following season. I wasn't keen on buying a bike two years in a row and he pointed out that the back wheel only gets as much power as you dial in with the throttle. This won't work for people whose desire for speed outpaces their ability to ride rationally.
p.s. I last rode over 30 years ago (had to pay for a mortgage) and recently got a VStar 650 in an attempt to regain my wasted youth & your videos have been indispensable in my return to motorcycling.
Thank you! 👍👍👍👍👍👍
Cb750s are not crazy fast.. but the old ones are darn heavy and the brakes not super great.. a smaller bike can still be a better option for learning the ropes. But like you say - a big factor is attitude. However... A lot is learned is from making mistakes, and smaller bikes are on the whole more forgiving when it comes to mistakes, generally speaking.
The smaller lighter bikes are easier to "save" in stupid learning mistakes and tend to get damaged less when you don't save. It's tha gamble you take if you go bigger sooner..
I am sure for some it works out just fine.. but if everyone did it it would result in a lot of people suffering more than they needed to. So as advice goes.. generically speaking . Yeah start of small.. it's the sensible approach. But sure you can ignore that and have a go . You might be fine.. just it's not something that should be advised!
The problem is now days the new 1000cc sport bikes are so insanely fast that people (especially inexperienced people) get some confidence and decide to push it just a little. 🤏🏻 Then maybe just a little more if that went well. And you get yourself into a bad situation before you know it. I would always joke and say that my cbr will outrun a headlight. Obviously that's impossible but you can easily find yourself going way faster than you're prepared for.
Just bought a GSXR 600. First bike.
I have balls of steel but pride my big brain and small ego. No squid zone
@@andrewroberts4071
Excellent!
Be safe & mind the throttle. 👍
Most people don't realise how braking works, even in cars the work happens at the front... people should study physics more...
The vast majority of people don't want to learn, they want to simply sit in the car and magically arrive at their destination.
@@briangc1972 That's probably why people are so excited with Tesla's autopilot even when the system is known to do more mistakes than a human.
@@KuroAnototally agree 😊😊 tesla is de-braining car
Or try riding a bicycle sometimes, you quickly learn the difference between front and back braking
Skidding the rear wheel of a motorbike is a lot easier to remain upright though. Once your front wheel loses traction, it’s blind luck if you manage to keep upright. More often than not, it’s a short descent to an unforgiving road. In a car, you can’t fall over or get the rear wheels up.
The point remains though, front brakes are crucial to rapid stopping and need to be used properly.
Pro tip: Tires can take loads and loads of braking force, not so much at a high rate. Progressive pressure is key
People who have never ridden motorcycles have no idea how quickly they can accelerate. I was amazed the first few months I started riding for the first time. Therefore, the first lesson is really critical for your safety. Start with 125cc. The best bike is the one gets you home..
125cc 😂 no
250-300cc is better because you have enough speed to pass big vehicles in the highway ; you can't do it in a 125cc.
In Singapore, getting your motorcycle license means learning at one of 3 official riding schools, where we learn on dinky 125cc bikes (Yamaha YBR125, Honda CB125R)!
It's quite good to learn on these smaller bikes since learners always end up dropping them, plus its safer to learn the basics of bike control (Figure 8s, Slalom courses, Emergency Braking, Narrow Plank) on a smaller cc bike, where its less likely that a learner grabbing a whole handful of throttle is going to send them flying off the circuit :>
Not to mention that we have 3 "classes" of motorcycle license too, based on experience level (400cc for the full motorcycle license after 2yrs of riding experience and passing yet another practical test).
But to be fair, here in SG, we only ride up to a max of 90kph officially, and up to around 120kph is the norm on highways. City riding in a tiny, densely packed country is so different compared to even our neighbours in Malaysia, where their distances are so much further than us!
@@rogersawyers4329 that depends on rider's weight (and size, due aerodynamic drag). 45 kg (100 lbs) girl and 90 kg (200 lbs) man will feel the same 125cc differently. I have 300cc naked bike, and acceleration against wind suffers a lot, though laying on a tank (sport style) helps a bit.
I would reserve the 125cc bike for a more experienced rider who uses it for it's intended purpose: Local commutes at short distances and slower speeds. A 400cc bike will have sufficient power to get the rider out of trouble, and enough weight to keep the front wheel planted on a road's surface. Riding that Honda Grom at 60 mph is not for the faint of heart. And other traffic on an open 2-lane is going to follow too close more often than not, which will compromise safety for the rider. Also: A 125CC bike is NOT going to have ABS, while the 400cc bike will have that option available.
You can have just as much fun on a small bike as a big bike..😎👍
Actually more kinds of riding
I found that riding a slow bike fast is more fun than riding a fast bike slow.
Always enjoy fanging around Thailand on a 155/160 moped. At home I blast around on a Z900 … 😎
In fairness, it is also fun throwing big bikes around on small tight courses that does not get to the bike’s 2nd gear. (See MotoGymkhana, Japanese police and police rodeo videos)
The vast majority of us will never even push a 500cc anywhere near its limits... speed or handling. And those 450/500cc bikes are a lot cheaper to buy and cheaper to maintain over the years.
I recently went to an advanced riding course with my wife to help her with her braking & cornering skills & confidence (I've been riding for 40+ years & taught her to ride about 2 years ago). The instructor went on this big rant about how we should turn off ABS because it stops us learning how to brake properly & also said that he (& his assistant) "can out brake ABS every time". I called bullshit & said that I had obviously learned to ride on non-ABS bikes & have never had it kick in on any of my ABS equipped bikes, but I still think it's a fantastic thing that has probably saved many, many learner riders from crashing due to inexperience &/or panic braking situations - but he was having none of it. It's very concerning when so called "experts" are giving new riders such patently wrong information. Keep it up - love your work!
Oh you can 100% outbrake ABS on dry tarmac. That's still not worth missing out on the other advantages ABS provides.
Wet roads,dirty roads…you can out brake an abs fitted bike????I call bs,been riding 45 yrs also.Or are you one of those who don’t ride in the wet???.I learnt on a non abs bike,did 2 advanced riders courses.On the track,I do turn off the abs
I had people tell me my CBR250R wouldn't be able to make it to safe highway speeds, when it's top speed was 144 kph (real, not speedo). I also had people tell me I'd get bored of it, but happily rode it until it was written off by a cager while parked in a parking lot.
People seem to be basing their expectations of performance on bikes from the 80s, and are projecting what they want motorcycles for onto new riders. Not everybody wants the same thing, and anybody telling you what to buy without first asking what you want to do with it is doing you a disservice.
This is one thing that really gets to me. Average speed of our highways is only around 80kph (being generous here) with speed limit of 100kph but noooo you need at least a 400cc bike for that..
The single cylinder one?
@@G30rg31415 Yup.
What a shame.
Folks don't understand how fast small engine bikes really are, because theywrote them off and bought 1000cc monster... most will hit 100. Only question is how fast. And you can find dozens of videos of someone one 400 or 500 outriding folks on 650 or 1000+. Hell I've seen more than one video of a guy on a Vespa 300 do it.
ABS also helps if your tyre comes off the ground due to some small bump or broken road while you're braking and as a result your wheel locks up. Saved me a few times
yeah.. no matter how much we are good at braking without abs, in rough patches of the road we can't keep up with ABS..
Despatch rider for years and was amazed when a car ran a red light causing me to jam on the brakes in the rain normally resulting in a nice slide up the road.
This was the first time I had used the brakes in anger on the CB500 and grab, bang, stop....... took my breath away at how effective the ABS turned out.
This channel is pure gold. I'm not a spring chicken anymore and from experience I know all that is said is sooooo true! Sold my bike last (touring bike) year and this year I really want to downgrade to something lighter, smaller, easier to handle - I once had a DRZ 400 SM, with that bike I had the most fun compared to any other I owned (loved each and every one but the 400 was special). So back to the roots - in full gear. :)
I agree with almost all of that!
But I will say my personal experience with loud pipes says they help more than you are admitting.
I ride the highway loop around the city I live in often. When my bike had stock pipes I had a lot of problems with drivers coming on the highway and merging in to my lane where I would need to brake, change lanes, or accelerate to avoid contact with the other vehicle.
Same with passing slower traffic. There were a lot of times where I would be passing a slower vehicle and they would decide to change lanes and nearly hit me. I would need to do as above to avoid contact.
This happened almost every single time I would ride the highway loop at least 1 time.
I decided I wanted to change the exhaust on my bike. I wanted it to sound better, and I wanted it to be louder so others would hear a bike was near them.
This worked much better than I expected it to. now I almost never have a drive try and merge in to me. Yes it still happens. But it dropped off by more than 80%.
This is one of the only situations where the louder exhaust works in your favor for safety. But getting bumped at 70mph can easily result and going down. Particularly if the just clip the front tire of your bike.
And honestly this helped more than I expected. Its not replacement for being a good rider. On that I 100% agree. But anything that reduces my need to make emergency maneuvers I will take!
And the louder pipes did that for me. This was not much of a problem in normal highway riding. I really only found they helped on the highway loop around my city where you will encounter some of the worst drivers on earth! LOL And I found that in basically every other situation the pipes made no noticeable difference.
I do like how they sound, and mine are not crazy loud either. And they look better as well.
I'm on a big V-twin bagger. A 900+lb bike. So I cant maneuver as fast as say a sport bike. But I can move rather fast when needed. I cant say if this works the same for a sport bike as their small displacement 4 cylinder engines have a much higher pitched exhaust note that might not carry as well, or permeate the cabin of a vehicle as well as the much deeper tone of my big V-twin, but I can say this worked for me.
And when I replaced that bike, the new one was again stock and again I noticed a marked increase in the number of people that would merge into me on the highway loop until I again installed an aftermarket exhaust system that was louder.
I have never had a bike with ABS, but I will say my next bike will 100% have it!
And so will my wife's next bike!
If you reeeeally want to enjoy a BIG bike, you need to learn how to reeeeeally enjoy a SMALLER bike…
Learn how to ride in a slower machine, THEN shred a fast bike.
TRUST ME. Every step of the way will be fun.
Dude, no bootlicking but you're quite an authority; quality & straight to the point advices every time.
About #1 point; you might also dissuade newbies to ride overpowered bike with a simple fact: you don't enjoy what you don't control. And if the underlying reason about wanting a powerful bike is to show off, well, nobody serious enough cares who owns parked bikes in front of a café, control on the other hand (no matter the bike) is the real show.
I agree 100% with what you said. I am a new rider, just took my A license few months back and bought a new MT09 SP. I have more than 20years experience with B cat. so trafic is nothing new to me. However, I haven’t ride the bike yet since I got it in November last year, cold season came and I was a bit concerned about the power of the bike, wet road, cold weather and new tires so I decided to leave it at the dealership until spring. I don’t know if the bike will be the one I have expected to be, given the power but when I took the practical courses I found the z650 perfect for me and my day to day needs but a bit more power will be fine also (not that I necessarily use it every day but I think it might come in handy on longer trips and not having to go to a bigger bike after a year). I am not into speed and reckless driving so I would probably enjoy that a lot. I also consider buying a smaller 300cc like the duke just for training purpose and short city trips. But overall I think, at the end of the day, learning curve is much bigger on a big bike than a small one and also the driver will be responsible for his actions on the bike. I barely wait for spring to come and get the bike on a trip.
@@ados7f Wise :) Testing a lot of bikes with different riding position and engine type is also a very good thing, cuz sometimes stuff just don't click and you're wasting your time. Cannot recommend KTM's enough if you end up being a 1/2 cylinder guy, those bike are just natural.
I think it's awesome when someone shifts good (without a QS) and can low speed maneuver like a cop. The dudes that wanna be hella loud with their bikes, speed everywhere, and weave through traffic for the insta are annoying and dumb.
This is wy i started with driving license A1. In the EU it is limited to Bikes up to 125ccm. And yes, i have full protection gear. If an accident happens and im injured and NOT wearing full gear, the Insurance will not take the full costs of medical attendance - or no costs at all.
Thank you for taking time out to share your very valuable experience. Really appreciate it 👌🙏
Been riding over 25 years and love my Svartpilen 401. I ride mostly in town and in the mountains and it's so fun for that.
That little 373 is so versatile and fun. I like it so much more than the other singles out there in the 250-400cc range.
Nice to see you dropping new videos! Im folowinf carefully and plan to take the license this spring. I hope you and your wife stay safe.
I'm glad I landed on your channel. I've been watching a lot of videos from different sources (which disagree with each other, a lot...) in preparation for starting the riding journey. Your content makes the most sense to me, overall. I'll find out soon, one way or another!
Well worth stressing the myth about use of the rear brake. It can be really dangerous and is probably still a factor in many accidents. As soon as you start decelerating, effective weight transfer to the front of the machine means you have less usable grip at the rear meaning it takes very little in the way of too much extra brake pressure to lock up and slide, a panic reaction stomp on the rear is pretty much guaranteed to have you sideways down and out. Great vid and solid advice.
Using the front brake or rear brake incorrectly will lead to a bad day.
You can do skid marks with the rear to the moon and back. Then lean while stomping on the rear matters. If you have zero lean, nothing will happen, you can sit on the rear until stop. If you lean and the rear skids, you will have a bad time, "only" then it is unsafe to use the rear. For every other menouver I brake with both brakes. Walking speed menouver with the back of course
@@alexanderjanke1538 Totally correct, If you are totally upright with zero lean then you will just eventually stop still upright. Though thinking about situations where one might apply emergency braking then in a lot of cases if the thing you are wanting to avoid is directly in front of you it's going to be so tempting to provide steering input to avoid it or even pull back on the bars in an unbalanced fashion, it wouldn't take much to upset the plot from zero lean. That's assuming you were at no lean to start with and weren't the recipient of a nasty surprise on a bend. Totally agree that more rear brake use is pretty much essential at lower/very low speeds, helps stability, gentler and less pitching plus feels easier to keep the whole plot balanced.
this actually happened to my friend 3 days ago. Was going too fast into a corner saw an oncoming car and stomped his rear brake. He ended up high siding into the oncoming car and is now in hospital with a fractured spine and a punctured lung. Neither of those injuries would have been nearly as bad if he was wearing a back protector.
@@theozawadzki3934 I agree with everything you said haha
You have to apply the rear wisely
THANK YOU! This video should be made compulsory watching for any (newbie or seasoned rider) purchasing a motorcycle. Many, many 👍
Thank you for your help. A Happy New Year! All the best from Crete!
About brakes, I remember when I was a kid and used my pedal bike, I would always use the rear brake, because I liked how you could drift and I was scared of flipping over with the front (to be fair, it did happen to me once). As I got older, I learned to rely more on the front brake, usually using a combination of both brakes to slow down. I think it was around the time i fell when commuting to school in the wet and when I grabbed the rear brake, I lowsided on tens of meters. I didn't get injured but had there been a car in the opposite lane, it would've been another story.
Yes, peoples experience with bicycles can be misleading. The center of gravity of man and machine is much higher on a 30 lb. bicycle than a 400 lb. motorcycle. Bicycle center of gravity is well above axle height. So, it is easier to flip over the handlebars on a bicycle than a motorcycle, although possible on both. After riding motorcycles for years, I rode bicycles for a while. I'm sure I used way more front brake than many casual riders. I was very aware of going into a stoppie. Deal with what you have, not some "simple rule". Ever watch a bicycle chase a touring bike down a steep mountain road? Guess who is leaning more? Different vehicles are different.
Andrey I love to share your videos they are always excellent and clear. Congratulations on over 100k subscribers onwards and upwards!
Thanks!😊
I rode bikes for many years and had a Honda CB550 for 30 odd years. I then bought a CBR600 and it's a whole different ball game. I'm glad I didn't have 110hp as a learner.
I love these instructional videos. The humor is great. Thank you.
Man ! I really like your advises and see them a lot.
Down to Earth and experience talk better than a show-off rider that will not ride if it's raining or too cold.
Keep up the work.
(Well I confess my first bike was a second hand 600 cc but I had friends that allowed me to practice on their bike before I got my own)
Best wishes from Portugal.
Jorge Neto
Thanks for using honest language. All you do has helped me a lot. Great work!
I feel part of the first myth might also come from how the road speeds are in the US, with people saying anything below 450cc will struggle in highway traffic. Which... isn't always the case (at least from what I've heard from others and witnessed in my video research for learning how to ride) given that displacement is only part of the equation. The bikes torque and your weight are also major factors in that. 250 cc seems like plenty to me (tho maybe I'll consider 450cc if I can handle it down the line) if the bike can get up to 60-65 mph without a severe struggle on the smaller state highways, its good for my area and good for me. Have no interest in going any faster than 85 or trying out the interstate for AT LEAST 4-5 years and I'm so tiny I likely could coax a minibike to hit 60 hahah. Minibikes seem more fun to me anyway, wish there was some that came a bit bigger with a bit more power in the US.... finding cheaper bikes with ABS is also another pain, especially within my local used market. They are like unicorns around here.
Remember when Kawasaki ran an ad for their 454 twin (iirc) stating it was faster than the Corvette? Small bikes are plenty for most riders and they tend to handle better than larger ones.
Honestly, I started on a GS650 and have owned a BMW R80RT and Triumph Bonneville.
My current is a Eliminator 450 and it's my favorite so far of any bike ive owned or ridden. Fast enough (will hit just past 100mph), plenty of torque (32 ft-lb) and horsepower (52 hp) for a 400 pound bike and my 250 pounds. And fuck, it's agile as hell in town and on twisty backroads.
Great advice. I started 43 years ago on a 750 Yamaha and had several minor incidents plus one catastrophic accident within 3 months of ridding it. Hindsight is 20/20. Maybe I should have started on a 350.
Been riding for 2 months, all practice. I have a 2016 Ninja 300. I f****** love her. Ive dropped her 3 times already and got some minor scuffs but to me it adds character. Dropping the bike already has completely shed my fear of dropping it again. I used to rely on the rear break now im quite confident with using the front. I havent even taken it to or past 4th gear yet. Ive only shifted up to 3rd and feeling that wind at 60 something mph is already heavy enough and it does feel like youre flying. I can say im ready to feel what 80mph is like. However im in no exact rush. Im literally enjoying practicing lmfao. Which in any other scenario, i probably wouldnt be having as much fun. But it really takes knowledge to operate a motorcycle and i think thats what i like the most. Learning. And everyday its something new to learn. On my 3rd and final drop, i actually broke my shifter. So luckily i dropped her in 1st gear and thats what ive been practicing with for the last few weeks. It redlines at 37mph and thats enough for me to literally practice. By the time it gets warm, and ive taken the course.. i can see it now how much fun its going to be and by then I'll have built up enough knowledge on stopping and going, turning, and rev matching. ATGATT. I dont have a suit but i do feel cool as shit with shoulder pads.
"adds character" bro thats an awesome mindset 😂
@@bhok1971 when you think about how scared people are of and to ride a motorcycle, you being able to drop one and pick it up, means you're A LOT stronger than most people. It takes GUTS to ride a motorcycle. Ya kno..?
Good luck and as my old boss used to say....... keep it between the hedges!
It takes guts to ride a motorbike after your 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th, 9th SMASH............
God bless you for saving lives with your educational channel.
Another excellent video. Thank you!
Thanks for another great video.
Lots of good advice. Thank you.
I agree with ABS - ABS systems have reduced fatal accidents by 37% according to the WHO. I will always have ABS, I've never activated mine, but it's good to know it's there in an emergency.
Loud pipes don't save lives, BUT they do let drivers know you're there and since fitting a louder exhaust I have found filtering through traffic MUCH easier as people move to the side in advance. I also enjoy the look and the sound, and that's a valid reason for having one, but I agree it's not a safety feature.
Loud pipes definitely make people more awareness of your présence. We are small on a bike, generally car drivers only have eyes for other car sides people on the road.
I have had many moment where people didn't see me, but actually heard me before seeing me which saved us from having an incident.
Loud pipes make people hate bikes and insure nice winding roads get close to bikes during the weekend. Thanks for killing my fun.
Not exactly. The rate of fatal accidents for motorcycles with ABS is 37% lower than for motorcycles without ABS .... in Thailand.
Not that ABS is not insanely valuable, that statistic really doesn't say much for a western perspective.
Very informative video. Thanks
How I survived the 70s bikes, I do not know LOL. I love ALL of my fancy ABS Pro DTC etc :). It's good to see you spreading the modern realities.
I agree with you 100%.
Started 8 years ago eith a Honda CB500, great bike.
Changed to Hornet 600 and got a 800 cc Fazer last year.
I am driving not faster than before, the need for downshifting is gone 🤷♂️
When I bought my last bike, I decided that I absolutely needed ABS, and the S1000 was one of the few that had it. 10 years later, I still have my bike 🤣
An excellent video! Thanks.
leaning in a curve is not made to increase the angle, but to counteract the G force that tries to straighten the bike. It does help ALOT in a moving bike that deals some speed in a corner.
I'm loving your videos! They're a voice of sanity, compared to the cacophony of bravado you hear on some videos.
Right on again. Great job!
'Loud pipes save lives' - In my experiece it kinda works for pedastrians who are glued to their phones.
I love the gear part laugh my ass off :D Love your vids! Keep on going!
My experience, filtering in fast lane between three or more cars is shifting your hips slightly left or right, rather than shifting weight, turning head or shoulder.
I put a slip on pipe with a db killer to increase my bikes noise slightly. I live in Japan where I can filter and just a little extra noise may let cars know I'm there if they are moving slowly without startling them. I also like the sound more but it doesn't make too much noise for my neighbors. Happy with that setup.
Im currently on a 292cc motorcycle. My first bike and Im getting better and better everyday. Testing tight turns, corners, u turns, low speed travel and throttle control. As well, as leaning and counter leaning. Im to the point that if I keep on riding for the next 11 months, Ill consider jumping to a 600cc.
Great video!! I wish this kind of resource had been available when I was starting out in 1990. Lightweight bikes like the KTM Duke 390 , Yamaha MT-3 or Honda CB300R are great, not just for beginners, but also for commuting. Myth: "You don't need to practice braking if you have ABS." ABS is like insurance: Better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it. However, you also need to practice using the ABS in a safe environment (parking lot) so as to be able to use it when it's needed. (i.e. panic situations on iffy road surfaces.) Practicing full on ABS braking from 60mph in the rain becomes completely stress-free if you practice it. (Work up to 60mph and beyond gradually.) I've found that once you're experienced enough, you can (with warm tire and good asphalt) stop quicker from average to high riding speeds with proper braking technique instead of going full gorilla grip on the brake, activating the ABS. Other "myths". "You don't need riding courses, just go ride." Or: ""You only need to do an advanced riding course once in your life." I think an advanced course EVERY year should be recommended. I've done one every year since I started riding, and I always learn something. Plus; they're a day of fun with other like-minded riders!
Very well done!!!
The worst advices tend to start with the words "Always" or "Never", especially if they're given out by the summer-only dry tarmac-only riders. Though there is one thing I find dangerous which was given out on a certain, otherwise excellent, Canadian channel- ride with your front break pre-loaded. The theory is sound, it would shorten the reaction time, and if you have perfect biochemistry than maybe you can do that, but most other people will sooner or later twitch a bit, especially if you had a coffee or an energy drink right before riding.
I think they were referring to taking up most of the slack in the brake lever / peddle. Not actually holding it to where the master cylinder piston has started to move.
I tried this technique and found that it effected my ability to have good throttle "feel", and found myself dragging the rear brake.
I do ride with the front brake covered most of the time, and always when I am in traffic or town. I do most of my riding in the country where there is little traffic. I do cover the brakes when approaching blind corners. And I practice trail braking.
Great video. Only one id ask about is abs. Some act poorly at low speeds, on adv bikes (when forgetting to disable) they can cause a crash in dirt/mud. Friend of nearly drove pff a cliff that way. Abs just let the bike keep going. I started on a dr650 so never had to worry abt abs but seems easy to forget.
LOL. Some of the most fun I've ever had in 40 years of ridding motorcycles were in 125cc and 350cc bikes. I keep my 800cc and dream about a Ducati Diavel or BMW GS1300R but big bikes are certainly safer once you acquire experience. Fun ridding is not linked to motor size nor irresponsible behavior. 🙂
THE most fun I've had on a bike was on an 80cc dirt bike in snow. it's a lot more fun to ride a slow bike fast, than it is to ride a fast bike slow.
@@kenbrown2808 To me the very low weight (almost bicycle like) of low CC motorcycles together with the more than enough power for fun makes for great times ridding.
6:25 lmao, "going head on into oncoming truck mid-corner, is ... sub-optimal learning environment." I nearly spat out my drink, haha!
Thanks. Good stuff.
excellent video, sir.
Thanks for your infinite wisdom emanating from your videos. One thing I can add for new riders is that they should not be afraid of speed and speed lines on the roads. I am talking about situations in which there are lots of cars on the slower lanes, some not driving very well, a lots of moving back and forth by them etc. You can swifty squeeze yourself into the fast lane and get away from the mess, the potential danger zone that is. If you are in a car, due to the larger size of a car, you cannot always find an opening to run for it, but you can do it with your nimble bike. So, riding and following a bunch of slow-moving cars could be unsafe, while speeding up and getting away from them is safer.
Always best to have no cars close by around you (front, back, sides), if you have the option to position yourself that way.
My big question is - where do you find a big empty car park that’s not in use or patrolled by security goons? Impossible here in Western Australia. Great video and I’ve heard all these myths over my 50 years of riding. The small bike derision is often delivered by 1000 km/year fair-weather cruiser types, blissfully unaware of the actual performance of many small capacity machines.
The only advice I would impart is to be aware of your own and your bike’s abilities and don’t exceed them in an uncontrolled environment. And ATTGAT. 👍🏻
Yes, it usually takes some effort to find one. Or get up really early😁
I use church and shopping mall back parking lots here in Kentucky. Or go to an off ie building on the weekends when most of the employees are off.
"Each time it decides to take a nap..." I'm literally laughing SO HARD. Thanks for this video man, made my day. Haha.
Hey! I noticed the Buenos Aires' streets, actually some of your footage is in Mataderos! Alberdi & Lisandro de la Torre and around. How can i contact you? Thru your course only?
So many good points here. 👍
Nothing to object to. Really liked the riding in this video.
Experience = done a lot of mistakes and learned from them.
10:59 we can go / sit at upper position rather than downwards and steady, it also helps me to be a perfect turn
Andrei, excellent one as always. Now this piques my interest a bit more. Can you please explain how you can carry the speed with the front brake while the rear brake is lifted up. I've understood that rear wheel up the ground when the motorcycle just about comes to a halt is a good braking technique. What I'd like to learn more or a would request you to make a video is how to smoothly hold the brake or when to initiate the forward body position along with front braking, these finer skills would really make a difference. An angle of your front brake, brake pressure and rear wheel lift-off all POV would be extremely insightful inculcating better insights.
Great question! I'll try to answer it in my next video.
Nicely done👍On the street, the most I usually do is get a butt cheek of to the inside and drop my inside elbow. I also trail brake😎
Notice his riding position when riding the duke….much more effective than knee dragging which is just for the track.
So happy I found this channel.
Great tips. Thank you sir.
One more follower for you
I'm a beginning rider, and can say that 350cc is a solid start. Sure, you won't take off faster than even most other cars. My HNTR350 does about 70 MPH. But it handles so well that it's an immediate confidence booster. My brother rides a Bonneville 120T and even he thinks my bike is more fun. Slower, lighter bikes are great to learn good riding habits since you need to use more than the throttle to get out of situations. It's a great city bike and also looks and sounds very nice. Seeing this video confirms my trust in the bike and in me as a rider.
Удачи с развитием англоязычного канала. Все совет по делу, Порой полный пакет заблуждений встречал у райдеров со стажем 10+ лет, которые при том ни куда не ездили особо, а любили потусить.
"I had to lay it down" - extension to technique #3 ;)
Very well put together. Especially liked that "Loud and annoying pricks" comment 😂
Carving curves is MT 03 and have loved that motorcycle for years
good points.
I would add that new riders arent all Rossi wannabes looking for thrills. I noted that my wife [experienced car driver] found the engine / clutch control on a larger bike so much easier than a small bike while learning.
Also think that cornering ABS should be mandatory. Even experienced riders are likely to panic brake when a deer runs out mid corner. Normal ABS wont be worth anything in that scenario.
Talking of small bikes.they can be too small. 50cc bikes should be banned IMO. Anything that cant keep up with normal traffic is too dangerous as our roads get more congested and should never be a 16year olds intro to biking.
The best decision I ever made as a 6'3 290lb rider was to start on a 2014 CRF250L. I know people who choose 500s and 650s and crashed within months of riding. Guys for the love of God, start on a sub 300cc dual sport is my best advice. I can still reach 70 mph. Lol it's enough for freeways
I'm not agreeing I've started with700cc now 1340cc after just over 2 years but everyone has to decide for self
I had a yamaha YZF, was talked into riding it because it was a sports bike... I hated how i felt on a hour plus ride, I was too far forward and just felt uncomfortable.
I decided to buy a Honda VTR after riding my dads CB500, that thing rode beautiful and I felt sooo good on it
Riding position is so very important but as said its dependant on circumstances. With body position the correct advice is to take time to learn what works for you, and experiment progressively when its safe to do so.
Reality is, that for all circumstances you have to consciously think about whats going on.. and be adaptive..
For me road riding back in hilly, twisty, and sometimes unexpectedly slippery parts of the more rural UK, with high hedgerows and often a poor visability far down the road.
If you are making serious progress your position on the bike varies greatly on an almost constant basis. There is no consistent "i do this" answer to the majority of the road... Sometimes i am standing high on pegs to see over crests as fast as possible so i know if i need to slow more before any surprises, sometimes i am taking my weight off the saddle to help soak up bad road surface and settle the bike better, sometimes i am more head up in corners because in that corner i want to see better down the road .. sometimes i am hanging off more because of the camber or gradient or less convincing road surface..
Being more tucked in, being more open.. all of it depends on the conditions at that moment as to what fits best.
I’ve been riding since the earth cooled, never had abs but always use front brake more. However, my dirt bike days thought me how to slide around without crashing. I recommend everyone have some fun in a class on dirt. When you come up on a road covered in gravel you will freak out less.
Hacen cursos de manejo ahí en Tecnopolis? Me gustaría aprender, manejo hace un par de años, maneje por ruta y todo pero todavía me falta tecnica.
my first motorcycle accident happened on a honda wave and that's just a 110cc scoot, hitting a pothole on a foot-deep flooded highway. i had my left shoulder dislocated and manually relocated on the hospital after. after that i always wear complete gear with my vulcan. no accidents so far, only cruising anyway at 30-70kph anyway. 🤙
This should be mandatory viewing for all new motorcyclists. And most of the "experienced" ones as well.
Thanks
I have a question im about to buy my first bike. I prefer a souper sport but there's a problem because i have to drive through a highway almost everyday about 2 hours to go were i want,. So i want to buy a r7 so its easier for the bike to stay in these speed for longer than an r3. I want an opinion in that.!
As a future rider, no licence yet, I have been researching which bike to buy that will keep me on the road and not blown away by the air coming from the big trucks on the highway. I decided to get a dual sport DR650, but lately I have been thinking of a Rebel 250 or 300 if there is one.
I'm 6'2 (188cm), but weigh around 175 pound, and had back surgery a few months ago. So, I can't have a heavy bike, and the DR650 and the Rebel250 seems a good weight to lift and to stay on the road. Although, I wouldn't be getting the DR650 because the insurance looks at the CCs, and anything above 500CC means higher premium.
The problem is, the more videos I watch and search google, the more confused I'm getting. I don't care about fast riding, since I don't even drive fast in my old 4 cylinder 115hp car. So, crotch rockets are not my cup of tea. Now I have no idea which bike to get. '-'
hate to bring another bike into your list of potential bikes, but the KLX 300 dual sport is excellent if you want a light bike. its about 30 pounds lighter than the Rebel, and does a lot better at highway speeds. it is more expensive though since it was just released in 2020
@kade272 damn, bro, as if I wasn't confused enough, and then you pop up. Lmfao. Thanks though for the suggestion. :)
I just searched the bike, and I kind of like it. Since I'm in the frozen Thundra, the prices are a bit higher in our $. New ones are 8K, and the cheapest I found is 4.5K. Hopefully, by next year, I'll get lucky to find a cheaper one. I'll also have to search if it is easy to work on by myself.
If you're looking for cruiser style, from personal experience I cannot recommend the Kawasaki Eliminator 450 highly enough. Handling is fantastic and closer to a sport bike than other cruisers. 52 hp, 32 ft lb torque. Will hit 100 with no issue. And I'm 6'1" and 250 and I find it really comfortable... the foot pegs aren't foot-forward like a lotmof cruisers and they're not under your hips like most standard or sportbikes... my knees are bent at 90 degrees on it. Wet weight is 390 pounds, so it's a pretty might bike. My Forza 300 scooter was heavier.
My absolute favorite moto channel! To the point practical tips that can even save your life, presented with humor. What more could you want? 👍 🙏
Parking brings lessons, too. One has to think before doing it. I once made the mistake of parking in a downward sloping place with cars on both sides. It was falltime and the asphalt was covered with wet leaves. I couldn't back off sitting on the saddle. Had to pull the machine from the side inch by inch, being mindful of the slippery leaf-covered surface. Learned the lesson, and nowadays I look for a comfy spot whence I can ride away without hassles. Think of pulling a 400lbs bike from such a location!
Has some ducati's.. but the bike that I really push to the total limit was a 125cc.... sooo mutch fun ! 😃
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Cornering; point your shoulder into it and look at where you want to be. Wherever you look is where you go. Best advice i was ever given.
'everyone who started on a smaller bike bought a bigger one the following season'... I bought myself a newSuzuki GSX-S 125cc last year. The reason I am looking to buy a bigger bike is that I found very dangerouse to drive with 50-60 miles on a single or dual carriageway and some idiots get stack on my bumper thinking I am driving a superbike... So, I am buying bigger bike for a safety reason and because it will help me to save some money on commuting.
But I was never going to buy a bigger bike first. I learned a lot by riding this little 125cc bike. I love it.
I learned on a CBR 125. When the wind hit it, it was all over the road. After I got my license, I got a ZX-6. Way heavier bike. The wind affects it a lot less. I feel more confident on the ninja when highway driving.
It's probably worth noting that the data you cited at 7:31 is from a study conducted in the 1980s. I wasn't able to find more recent studies on that information to say what those numbers currently are, but 40 year old data can't still be accurate with how much faster bikes and roadways have gotten. If advising motorcycle gear regardless of the speed you're riding, I'd lean more towards citing bicycle fatalities as an example of you not needing to go fast to be ran over.
I have a question. What is “tucking the front” as referred to in racing? And if you lean into a corner at high speed using counter steering is “tucking the front” possible? Finally, why do people swear by steering stabilizers? And if my moto does not have a steering stabilizers does it need to be added?
Loud pipes give bikes better presence in traffic and reduce instances of cars trying to merge into you.
Idk why everyone touching on this point is so determined to make fun of it. "But your pipe points backwards, hurr durr".
Going head-on into oncoming truck mid corner is suboptimal learning environment. 😂😂😂😂😂😂.
No truer words said, Andre.
Generally, I would agree with starting on a smaller bike, but it was not very convenient in my case. I am 85 kg and 190 cm. When I tried 500cc, it was too small for me as a frame and knees position. I was like a bear on a bicycle. Ultimately, I purchased a cruiser 750cc, which is way more comfortable but still not perfect for my size. It is great to start on a smaller bike, but it is more of a torture if you are tall and heavy.
My first bike was a suzuki ls650, a small and light, single cylinder motorcycle that still had plenty of power. My second bike was a kawasaki concours zg1000 that was a big and heavy beast. Now a days, I ride a Harley sportster iron 883.
The best kind of bike for beginner's is something lightweight, cheap, and used.
I will also be like a newbie on a motorcycle. And as my first motorcycle I want to have a Kawasaki Vulcan S 650 (cruiser) It is not a very weak motorcycle, it is not a light motorcycle and it is not an extremely fast motorcycle either. At least from my point of view, it's a pretty good start since I don't intend to ride the motorcycle fast. I want to enjoy the ride and learn as much as possible.
I sadly didn't really learn properly the front brake. Im still in the process of learning it, but ive been driving for about 6 years now. Ive never had an accident because of the brake. My only accidents where one time because my tire deflated and i lost control. And the other one where i broke my arm was literally because someone crashe me while i was standing(waiting for the front car to drive)
Ive luckily did never have a big bike. I had a 125cc bike and this year im buying 150cc because i moved to another country. Ive better learn to drive on cities, because ive only drived on a small town with mostly dirt roads. Also, never more than 10km a day. Now i will have to drive on highway, city streets, and more dirtroads that are full of stones
I recommend starting on a 50cc with manual gears, or a 125 cc. Learn how to shift, steer in all weather and seasons, everywhere,off road included. Enjoy it. Then move up. I always find it funny seeing videos, especially American ones, where total beginners start out with 900cc monsters. Crazy.
Hi Andrey,
again I took a glance at your video here
- and that information around 7min55 reminds me to a logical conclusion of former times:
"...If it depends from the VALUE of the parts of someone's body,
I met several people in these 50 years
who did not NEED A HELMET!
- Especially those, who MUST overtake in unclear situations like a blind bend.
They would need to have a success of the day because of
23 hours frustration in the rest of time.
Maybe it works out well in 9 of 10 times,
also because OTHERS compensate their mistakes.
But what about the other case, - that NUMBER TEN .....?
When I talk to them ,
---WHEN---
I tell them,
"If someone drives in the same way like YOU
- in the opposite direction,
- you will have a very tight weld of two units...!"
[[There is a DIFFERENCE between the possibilities that
the bike (-tires, -engine...) or surface of the street or capability may allowe,
AND
the possibilities
that the public traffic permits.
And also there is not a marshal controlling the track before you come
or an ambulance around the corner to pick up racedrivers like in Monza ....
Racetracks are also safer because there is no oncoming traffic .]]
{I had accidents because of OIL near Sarajevo and Lisbon, but was lucky to continue on my own wheels!!!
--- Don't know what the guardian angel looks like meanwhile....}
But looking in THEIR faces often shows:
It is NOT worth at all!!!!
Maybe, I sometimes THOUGT,
"I will pass them when they kissed a tree....."
but normally I am "TOO HELPFUL"........
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