Was kind of hoping for a more quntative analysis on their military strength and population, same with the alliance video. Alot of these comments are similar to the alliance as both factions were involved in every major expansion. Does one hold more land over the other? What material resources do they have at their disposal? is there a technology advantage for one or the other? Are they politically stable? How do the factions compare? Are zeplins a major tactical advantage over airplanes and ships? How do their magical skills conceptually match up? Do they have the population to sustain a proper war?
The Horde's plot shield is ten times more powerful than amost all the Alliance races. But the humans plot shield is so big that it matches the entire Horde's.
Bassibasukki trouble is Alliance doesn't loose in all areas of quality (even the areas it does it's not by a huge margin) And they far surpass in quantity. The biggest thing holding the Alliance back is it's moral compass, Imagine if they didn't give a dam about the ramifications of thier actions to the world as a whole?
Rather than just listing the strengths of the Horde you give us a history lesson on the lore! Really enjoying this kind of layout, keep up the awesome content!
"Low in numbers" a fact that is never, ever reflected in-game. I get that things are different lore-wise but it's funny that the Horde are always shown with absolute swarming numbers, especially the orcs
Yes which is definitely strange. Orcs are numerous but they lost so much during the wars, then during the internment camp battles. After that they participated in many skirmishes and wars. Orcs are pretty much just like humans they take about 15-20 years to become of age. There only could really be one new generation of orcs since the start of the new Horde that would replenish the population.
Aye, it's the same rules as Warhammer fantasy really. If they made that too realistic then there would be no more wars pretty quickly due to either everyone being so decimated that they have to breed an entire new generation or two of warriors and soldiers OR one side getting the worst of it and then just being steamrolled because of it. So much like the Elves of Warhammer, the Horde will have always as many numbers as it needs - as long as it isnt too silly.
They didn't even had time to get _one_ new generation. A few weeks ago Blizzard told us, that the time from WoW Classic to BfA didn't went like the actual real life years, but in about half that time. It seems pretty ridiculous to me, that there are even more then 500 people on the world who are still able to fight. Just remember all those world wide conflicts against old gods, the Lich King, Deathwing and a friggin Cataclysm, to a full-on faction war in MoP, followed by a war on a cosmic scale against the legion, where most of the alliance and hordes forces were eliminated at the very first major battle. And all of that in the span of 6-7 years. And now there are still enough people left, to fight a world-wide war against themselves? It's just stupid. (sorry for my bad english, I'm not a native speaker)
But the greenskins in Warhammer fantasy reproduce via spores released from their bodies, that's why they can muster up astronomical numbers in so little time.
All this bickering about who is stronger and who is going to win...lol, you guys do realize that this war is totally meaningless, and that long before we can see any sign of a clear "winner" the old gods are gonna pop up and spring the great nasty surprise they have in store for us right? But even disregarding that, neither faction is strong enough to completely defeat and destroy the other faction, a war between the horde and the alliance is always going to end in a bloody stalemate.
I agree with you. Before anyone can claim to be the "winners" the Old Gods are going to come and wreck us all and we'll have to ban together once more to try and stop them because otherwise, we're all dead lol I'm mostly a Horde player, but the faction war seems so pointless to me now, especially since we know there is a greater threat lurking just under the surface. Besides, both sides have good point and bad points.
Randomstuff also the fact that with so much war both sides are using up most of worlds resources to the point where it might be like the orks old home so at this point both sides have to stop fighting and deal with the bigger problems
you missed what the nightborne bring to the table with suramar being an incredibly valuable magical powerhouse of an ally potentially rivaling that of the blood elfs. Allied races on both sides should go into this power comparison as well in general other than just a brief mention.
Garrosh and Varian as leader were the good ol time. Both of them were fighting for the future of their people even if their choice were wrong. Anduin is fighting for peace and sylvanas to fight the "void legion".
No. The Alliance are honorable. Sylvanas Windrunner she's not. Plus there was a peace contract and the unhonorable horde broke it. And the horde won't stop draning Azeroth from her life blood thereby slaying her. Should i contenue?
Garrosh and his followers were racist not all orcs. And obviously Sylvanas is gathering azerite to defend the horde against alliance warmongering because of that stupid misunderstanding that happened in Broken shore. Atleast that is my impression so far but we don't know the whole story yet until the game is released.
FunkyCat pretty sure worgens are the strongest race in game, it's said only taurens are physically stronger but worgens are basically druid feral form on steroids and are agile af + wield 5 knives in each hand. But then again, lightforged, void elves and worgens have VERY small numbers.
for one light and void maybe powerful but very few in number, the draenei didnot beat the legion, humans may possed more magic so far but dont count out the blood elfs and there thousands of experience in magic plus the night borne. well the night elves were pretty much the first druids and nomes yeah there pretty smart but the goblins can par with there intellect so yeah
I think something else to consider with the Horde is how much spiritual backup they have. The Alliance races mostly worship the Light, the night elves Elune, and both of those are very distant forces which usually only manifest in the powers of individuals who follow them. The Horde, on the other hand, are generally much more willing to deal with elementals, wild gods and loa, who are less powerful but much, much more willing to intervene directly in events that concern them. Of course these entities are generally self-interested and only want to help themselves most of the time, but if they're smart at all they'll know that the Alliance isn't going to deal with them as willingly or as favourably as the Horde does, especially the loa, and therefore that they have much more to gain in tipping the scales towards the Horde. It's really no coincidence that loa are going to be such a big part of the story in BfA. Also, with the Highmountain tauren and Nightborne joining, aren't the Horde basically in control of the Broken Isles? The others that live there are neutral.
Probably alliance to be honest. They have People such as Jaina. Thalyssra, Rokhan, Prophet Zul and Princess Talanji even said in the BFA beta that they couldn't take on a person like her. Sure the horde has some powerhouses like Liadrin,Sylvanas and Thrall. But considering the alliance has Alleria, Turalyon, Malfurion, Jaina, 5/6 council of six members, Velen etc. I just don't think the horde would stand much of a chance there.
Trusty Rebel Friend Oppss my bad, What I meant was that Prophet Zul, Princess Talanji, Thalyssra and Rokhan said while they were escaping from stormwind, that they couldn't take on Jaina.
Wrong, mate. Forsaken can not be raised again. That's the lore. That's why sylvanas wanted immortality so much, she wanted to raise forsaken and give more of them life.
I don't think that the Horde can explore/ transport and conquer other planets. The only spaceship we've traveled on in-game was Draeneis, and even though both factions used it only one can build such. The only way I can imagine Horde to travel between the planets (I don't want to mention any Goblin rockets as it would be suicidal) is if they receive a 'favor' from Aggramar who could open a portal for them, the same as Sargeras (/Medivh) did with the 1st Horde. It could mean at some point that Alliance can become stronger than Horde thanks to expansion to other planets. But because Draenei had to sacrifice a lot of resources on this one spaceship, it simply means that Alliance can't build a new one, or more, during the war with the Horde (and honestly they will be at war all the time, since that's the point of these two factions).
Well, in Aliance there is more lore baised powerful characters who would defeat horde leaders. Khadgar - supreme mage, Jaina - supreme mage, Muradin - strong warrior, Velen - strong priest, Anduin - strong priest\paladin and in the future supreme light champion. Magni - speaker of Azeroth herself ！Also It were mainly aliance characters who proved to be true heroes... Aegwyn, Medivh, Lothar, Khadgar, Tirion, Varian
Khadgar, Tirion, Aegwyn, and Medivh were mainly neutral. Magni became neutral after he became speaker of Azeroth, pretty sure Garrosh, Varok, and Baine are more powerful warriors than Muradin. Tirion, Varian, and Lothar are dead. Velen isnt that much of a fighter. Anduin almost got himself killed by Sylvanas were it not for Jaina. So rhe only real threat against the Horde would be Jaina, Malfurion, and Tyrande.
Lets face it, the only reason garrosh is dead is because he was so fucking op that blizzard decided to kill him. He literally was unstoppable, one of the Best tactician and one (if not) the Best Warrior in Azeroth.
The big number of blood elves are not using fel magic (except the warlocks) since they reignited the sunwell with the powers of both the holy light and the arcane back in the end of the burning crusade, that's why they are getting golded eyes in bfa since they are removing the fel taint from them slowly. They bring out the blood knight paladins who wield the light and are very powerful fighters and an elite in the blood elven society, they also have very powerful holy priests that heal the wounded and wield the light offensively and also the blood elven farstriders (hunters) who are also an elite part of their armies, protection and investigations. The taurens also wield the light too, they have low numbers of priests (sages) that also heal but also they commune with the spirits of the dead, they also have the sunwalkers who wield the light more as a healers and defenders and lets not forget the tauren shamans who also like to heal and to maintain balance with the elements since they are very ancient in the shamanism together with the trolls and are the first races on Azeroth that are practicing shamanism.
Great and fair video, but you have forgot to mention a few things: - Garrosh was under the influence of Heart of Y'Shaarj and actually was pardoned by the August Celestials. Bronze Dragon Kairozdormu and Wrathion kidnapped him away to Alternate Draenor. Before that he was quite honorable, proof can be found at ending of Stonetalon Mountains quests and at his reply letter to Magatha. - Also, you forgot to mention, in lore Trolls have powerful regeneration abilities, they can even grow limbs back. - And also you forgot to mention Blood Elves have the Sunwell restored (ironically, thanks to Velen) and in lore Silvermoon is now connected with Isle of Quel'danas, it's a much more powerful city, close to its former glory now and with Sunwell, Blood Elves became a considerable force. - Optionally, it's not happened yet but you could mention Zandalari and Mag'har too, they will join The Horde. Zandalari IS the oldest and most powerful race of Azeroth, comparably almost as powerful as the Draenei in lore and Mag'har of the old Iron Horde of Alternate Draenor, even defeated and now in war with Yrel's Lightbound, they have the big numbers The Horde is lacking.
Vale Nope, Zandalar Trolls are old af. They were there even before the Titans came on Azeroth. Zandalar is the oldest playable Race with the Draenei right now.
Can John Please go and read something about the ordering of Azeroth... what you wrote about the zandalari and the titans is beyond stupid... before the titans came was the black empire and before that was the elements waging war on each other. Trolls come from the mogu that the titans created
Giorgos Komnis Are you brainless or something? Gamepedia says: “They are one of the earliest non-Titanforged races of Azeroth.[4] There are several subspecies of troll, with the Zandalari trolls being the progenitors from whence all other trolls came.” “Trolls are one of the oldest, if not the oldest, non-Old God created or titan-forged species on Azeroth. Troll legends mention the Titans, calling them "the Travelers", and their battle with the Old Gods.[26]”. They are there before the Titans, also they aren’t coming from Mogu’s are you stupid? Go read before you talk.
Most arguements seem to be that the horde are refugees and the alliance is largely populated but isn't it the other way round? Looking at the alliance, the draenei, gnomes, worgen and as of bfa, the night elves are very few and are refugees without a home. The humans are most populated with the survivors from seven kingdoms pooring into stormwind who currently inhabit 4 in-game zones. The dwarves are the only other race who have a stable milaterised empire but choose not to use infantry in the alliance and instead support the humans with their weapons. I think the bfa cinematic shows how the alliance is mainly supported by a human infantry with gnome and dwarf weaponry and draenei and elven magic as support. The horde on the other hand has the full support of all their races with large, stable empires. The orcs are heavily militarised and well reinforced by recources, the tauren are largely populated and span 6 in-game zones however most of them are under threat, the trolls are very few in number and have no empire but have a strong army as shown by their rebellion, the goblins support the horde with their economy and weaponry such as the cannon at bilgewater, the blood elves are few but have re-stabalised their kingdom and have a large navy as shown by the isle of thunder and SoO, the forsaken have a large empire and military in lordaeron which could change after SoL. With nearly every race able to use their own armies, a united horde army would easily crush the humans if properly organised
That the Horde didn't win the 4th war is entirely down to Sylvanas trusting Saurfang to kill Malfurion, and Saurfang not doing so. Not saying Sylvanas was justified in burning Teldressill, only that she wouldn't have if her underling could follow simple instructions.
Great video but I think a larger stress on the population difference between the Alliance will be very important. There is just so many humans its insane. However the big difference as you said is majority of the horde is more battle hardened as the Alliance have many citizens that have no relation to military. Maybe mentioning that a battle of attrition cannot be done with Horde forces while the Alliance can do so. It also explains why the horde tactics have used bombing, burning huge trees lol, or using the plague. They simply lack the numbers the Alliance have to do longer wars.
Nice video, it would be even better if Nightborne and Highmountain Tauren was included after 6:53.(the moment when u finished with the Goblin) Btw I personally think the Alliance has greater power generally than the Horde in the lore. What do you say?
More powerful than the alliance that's for sure! Considering every BG on alliance side were all standing around talking about how were gonna get owned :(
sarkasmt2 id have to disagree...after what i read in the most recent book...after what she did to those who were her own...all she cares about is power
Unfortunately the horde died when Thrall abandoned them and gave them away to a tyrant. Now all that remains is a warhungry mongrel of afaction that needs to be put down by Jaina like she should have years ago.
I am not sure the Fel is as common with the Blood Elves now since they regain the Sunwell there main power would be Arcane and Light. I think besides Warlocks Fel is not use anymore by the Blood Elves
WC3 2 Footman = 1 Grunt. The horde always had few soldiers, but biology makes them much stronger than an ordinary human. The horde endured all the battles including two civil wars, Undercity and Orgrimar. The tactics of the horde are more related to guerrilla warfare than the classic army. Referring to the magic for now tip the balance for the side of Silvermoon and Suramar more than Dalaran (that under the command of Khadgar I imagine that it will stay away from the conflict). On the other hand an open war between the factions would not leave an obvious winner, even sylvanas did not want a war, only to close in Kalimdor and let the alliance bleed, taking part of the elven population as hostages. Another point is that the horde has not hesitated to use weapons of mass destruction (at least two of its leaders) and that makes them extremely dangerous. If Sylvanas is able to fill her own city with plague, let's imagine what she is capable of doing with her enemies. Even smaller factions proved to be too powerful for the horde or alliance to face alone, even less would a total victory be possible. For example, we still found Broken Draenei under the noses of the Burning Legion after thousands of years.
I love how everyone hated Garrosh for his war crimes,bombing theramore because it was a fortress of the enemy, the fall of Gilneas just more war, the desecration of the vale is legit not good, but the rest is just silly to hate him for it. The warchief mantle is thrown at him, he knows he is not ready yet he takes it anyway. His advisers turn on him pretty easy, the druids are killed by orcs, so it must be Garrosh. No one gives the guy the support he needs so he just gives up on the other races realizing that the only true protectors of the Horde are the orcs so he starts running the Horde like the Orcish Horde not entirely a bad thing, to be honest if people would of just talked to him and stuck by him maybe he would still be around. Turning our hero into a villain just for the sake of story, it fucking sucks. Yet Sylvanas can just start up a war with the Alliance, burn a world tree and starts using the plague on the Alliance and everyone is cool with it. ten outta ten, Garrosh was just being a Warchief. Sylvanas is probably the worst Warchief. I hope she dies.
this video is a recollection of the history of the horde not a clear scale of how powerful is the horde and the blood elves don't use the fel ( primary elements of the blood elves are arcane and holy magic after TBC)
I know this comment is 3 years old and shadowlands didnt exist yet, I think Shadowlands has shown the Ebon Blades to be an absurdly strong faction, able to fight off armies twice their size that the actual "main character" NPCs (Thrall, Jaina, etc.) struggle to fight with on a much stronger scale. It's almost made the EB appear TOO strong.
since pre-patch dropped, (War More) I've been leading the horde ( Offensive and Defensive ). here's what i noticed: alliance: No coordination what so ever. poor tactics and scatter around every time they try to attack. no matter how big the group attacks, they always lose to smaller group of the Horde. leave battle too soon and mount up to run, even when we get them down eventually. the best of them i've seen in pvp are the one's who come to durotar to gank low health dueling players..( some of their rogues are really annoying but eventually dies over and over) Horde: Listen to their Group leader, Plans from everyone also accepted. NO ONE is allowed to die only if ganked by a surprise. Regroup is always the 1st and 2nd option. Well timed attacks on both sides ( off/def). even assassins coordination to Kill their healers. High moral, No stopping until all areas are clear of every alliance near, (Including stealth one's). and the horde will not only defend their orgi always, they always attack back into stormwind and seriously take over the city. not only fly around and that's it. they walk inside the city also (RP walks) until there's no defense then we leave.( That includes goldshire, Ironforge, the sw pvp area right outside the gate)
I love how a lot of arguments in this comment section boil down to: Alliance: "We have better tech, are numerous, culturally stable and unified, and use good tactics." Horde: "oUR gunship HAVE MASSIVE WOLF HEADS that CAn cRUSH YOURRR SHIPSSSS. GOBLIN TECH 213401623981897x BETTERRR! STRONG WARiORRR RAAAAAAAA" I'm not being biased. I don't even play WoW...but man this is funny.
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"After being captured by the murlocs" damn that sounds kinda lame
sanatius abitedly It was a large amount of them led by a sea witch
It sounds lame but they were being controlled by a Sea Witch, and outnumbered the trolls like 20 to 1.
Dont forget they had those super sized murlocs in wc3
And those Sea Golems... OP please Nerf
don't underestimate land piranhas
Was kind of hoping for a more quntative analysis on their military strength and population, same with the alliance video. Alot of these comments are similar to the alliance as both factions were involved in every major expansion. Does one hold more land over the other? What material resources do they have at their disposal? is there a technology advantage for one or the other? Are they politically stable? How do the factions compare? Are zeplins a major tactical advantage over airplanes and ships? How do their magical skills conceptually match up? Do they have the population to sustain a proper war?
We all know the most powerful faction are the murlocs.
CatCoffeeMug Untrue, It's actually the Hozen, If you say otherwise they will ook you in the dooker!
KAKU'LAK
And the most annoying one
I have been looking forward for this.
Keep up the great work!
Thanks, appreciate it.
The Horde's plot shield is ten times more powerful than amost all the Alliance races. But the humans plot shield is so big that it matches the entire Horde's.
Lostselfx how? I mean for humans? ;)
How either side still has an army is beyond me lol
nikola prcic stormwinds been destroyed and every other human city is destroyed (except kul tiras) yet somehow humans make up the bulk of the alliance
Devin Simpson human is the horniest race ever in Azeroth
Devin Simpson humans and orcs reproduce like hamsters or rabbits
Horde and Alliance is like quantity vs quality. Horde is the quality side wich i will chose any day
Both sides have quality. Thing is Alliance also have numbers.
Well that doesn't take long lmao
What do you mean?
Bassibasukki trouble is Alliance doesn't loose in all areas of quality (even the areas it does it's not by a huge margin) And they far surpass in quantity. The biggest thing holding the Alliance back is it's moral compass, Imagine if they didn't give a dam about the ramifications of thier actions to the world as a whole?
I don't think you know the meaning of the word "Horde".
lets face it, when Garrosh was warchief the horde was at its best
Lul true
still miss him xD
Plague - evidently not since it got totally wreaked, Nazi horde is no good, United horde is the best horde.
Sylvanas is way more badass, garrosh was stupid compared to her!
Nah man, the horde was at its best when Orgrim was warchief
Rather than just listing the strengths of the Horde you give us a history lesson on the lore! Really enjoying this kind of layout, keep up the awesome content!
"Low in numbers" a fact that is never, ever reflected in-game. I get that things are different lore-wise but it's funny that the Horde are always shown with absolute swarming numbers, especially the orcs
Yes which is definitely strange. Orcs are numerous but they lost so much during the wars, then during the internment camp battles. After that they participated in many skirmishes and wars. Orcs are pretty much just like humans they take about 15-20 years to become of age. There only could really be one new generation of orcs since the start of the new Horde that would replenish the population.
Aye, it's the same rules as Warhammer fantasy really. If they made that too realistic then there would be no more wars pretty quickly due to either everyone being so decimated that they have to breed an entire new generation or two of warriors and soldiers OR one side getting the worst of it and then just being steamrolled because of it.
So much like the Elves of Warhammer, the Horde will have always as many numbers as it needs - as long as it isnt too silly.
They didn't even had time to get _one_ new generation. A few weeks ago Blizzard told us, that the time from WoW Classic to BfA didn't went like the actual real life years, but in about half that time. It seems pretty ridiculous to me, that there are even more then 500 people on the world who are still able to fight.
Just remember all those world wide conflicts against old gods, the Lich King, Deathwing and a friggin Cataclysm, to a full-on faction war in MoP, followed by a war on a cosmic scale against the legion, where most of the alliance and hordes forces were eliminated at the very first major battle. And all of that in the span of 6-7 years. And now there are still enough people left, to fight a world-wide war against themselves? It's just stupid. (sorry for my bad english, I'm not a native speaker)
But the greenskins in Warhammer fantasy reproduce via spores released from their bodies, that's why they can muster up astronomical numbers in so little time.
Warcraft Orcs don't though, it would have been probably super awesome if they WERE actually Warhammer orcs but yeah.
That's why I love the horde so much
FOR THE HORDE !!!
I thought he was gonna say : this video is sponsored by the horde itself at the beginning
WE NEED THE HOZEN AS ALLIED RACE!!
I guess after the Broken Shore, the meaning of "Lok'tar ogar" should be changed to "victory or retreat".
All this bickering about who is stronger and who is going to win...lol, you guys do realize that this war is totally meaningless, and that long before we can see any sign of a clear "winner" the old gods are gonna pop up and spring the great nasty surprise they have in store for us right?
But even disregarding that, neither faction is strong enough to completely defeat and destroy the other faction, a war between the horde and the alliance is always going to end in a bloody stalemate.
I agree with you. Before anyone can claim to be the "winners" the Old Gods are going to come and wreck us all and we'll have to ban together once more to try and stop them because otherwise, we're all dead lol
I'm mostly a Horde player, but the faction war seems so pointless to me now, especially since we know there is a greater threat lurking just under the surface. Besides, both sides have good point and bad points.
Randomstuff 100% agree.
Old gods: Hello there
Randomstuff also the fact that with so much war both sides are using up most of worlds resources to the point where it might be like the orks old home so at this point both sides have to stop fighting and deal with the bigger problems
Legit the exact thing that happened lol
you missed what the nightborne bring to the table with suramar being an incredibly valuable magical powerhouse of an ally potentially rivaling that of the blood elfs. Allied races on both sides should go into this power comparison as well in general other than just a brief mention.
You forget Pandarens, they brought beer and kung fu.
Hmm, you horde might think you're strong. But you don't have... T'PAARTOS!
no but we have bwonsamdi
Bwonsamdi
Garrosh did nothing wrong.
Smug Canadian You are wrong sir. He died and it's a bad thing
Not that again.
HE FAILED THE HORDE!!!
that video was an april fools joke guys calm down
Considering 2/3 of the playerbase in vanilla/tbc was alliance and horde still won every BG and open world pvp, HORDE ALL THE WAY!
You ain't lieing
All the minmaxers went to Horde. RPG fans to Alliance.
I wouldn't say the former is more admirable.
IF the alliance is Aquaman, the Horde is Batman. Easy.
Dont forget the arcane wisdom from the Nightbornes, i guess they have also a lot to offer.
Nah, Goblins shall drop some Towns-in-a-box upon Stormwind and make it a fucking Goblin town
Garrosh and Varian as leader were the good ol time. Both of them were fighting for the future of their people even if their choice were wrong.
Anduin is fighting for peace and sylvanas to fight the "void legion".
Sylvanas is fighting for nothing but her own selfish gains
I just want a big, hairy, smelly, green orc butt back on the throne and a designated valley of elves.
For.
The.
HORDE!
Great vid, dude.
Video could have ended at 1:45 "after being captured by the murlocks"... does anything else really need to be said?
Keep up the good work. For the Horde!
Fantastic as usual! bravo brate!
Odakle je ovaj brat :D
Aleksandar Brankosson on je iz Srbije :)
“Rise up sons of the horde blood and thunder. LOK’TAR OGAR FOR THE HORDE”
Great Video! Lok'tar ogar!
Orcs are racist they only wants orcs and they bomb citys. Buy anti orc spray.
So does the human alliance lololol
No. The Alliance are honorable. Sylvanas Windrunner she's not. Plus there was a peace contract and the unhonorable horde broke it. And the horde won't stop draning Azeroth from her life blood thereby slaying her. Should i contenue?
Garrosh and his followers were racist not all orcs. And obviously Sylvanas is gathering azerite to defend the horde against alliance warmongering because of that stupid misunderstanding that happened in Broken shore. Atleast that is my impression so far but we don't know the whole story yet until the game is released.
You're ignoring the fact that she's murdering Azeroth in cold blood.
Horde can only defeated from inside(For example: Gul'dan), Alliance has no chance aganist us as always, with Zandalari we will be so strong.
I mean, Kul Tirans absolutely destroyed Horde in WC2 and humans lost some people only because dragons came out of nowhere.
FunkyCat pretty sure worgens are the strongest race in game, it's said only taurens are physically stronger but worgens are basically druid feral form on steroids and are agile af + wield 5 knives in each hand. But then again, lightforged, void elves and worgens have VERY small numbers.
for one light and void maybe powerful but very few in number, the draenei didnot beat the legion, humans may possed more magic so far but dont count out the blood elfs and there thousands of experience in magic plus the night borne. well the night elves were pretty much the first druids and nomes yeah there pretty smart but the goblins can par with there intellect so yeah
That's why they didn't do anything when orcs massacred them, eh?
yes survived that can mean many things like hiding or gorila tacktiks so just saying survived doesnt mean much if you think about it
the goblins are much more than expert engineers. goblins are the spine of horde economy. if they leave the horde its basicly done
Beware of da voodoo
I think something else to consider with the Horde is how much spiritual backup they have. The Alliance races mostly worship the Light, the night elves Elune, and both of those are very distant forces which usually only manifest in the powers of individuals who follow them. The Horde, on the other hand, are generally much more willing to deal with elementals, wild gods and loa, who are less powerful but much, much more willing to intervene directly in events that concern them. Of course these entities are generally self-interested and only want to help themselves most of the time, but if they're smart at all they'll know that the Alliance isn't going to deal with them as willingly or as favourably as the Horde does, especially the loa, and therefore that they have much more to gain in tipping the scales towards the Horde. It's really no coincidence that loa are going to be such a big part of the story in BfA.
Also, with the Highmountain tauren and Nightborne joining, aren't the Horde basically in control of the Broken Isles? The others that live there are neutral.
Most powerful members of the Horde and the Alliance would be cool videos!
Probably alliance to be honest. They have People such as Jaina. Thalyssra, Rokhan, Prophet Zul and Princess Talanji even said in the BFA beta that they couldn't take on a person like her. Sure the horde has some powerhouses like Liadrin,Sylvanas and Thrall. But considering the alliance has Alleria, Turalyon, Malfurion, Jaina, 5/6 council of six members, Velen etc. I just don't think the horde would stand much of a chance there.
I havent really played the BFA beta stuff, but where TF does Prophet Zul join the alliance?
Trusty Rebel Friend Oppss my bad, What I meant was that Prophet Zul, Princess Talanji, Thalyssra and Rokhan said while they were escaping from stormwind, that they couldn't take on Jaina.
Smatty Oh yeah!👍👍
@@plommon6556 Thrall doesn't belong to anyone i think. In a war he does nothing if morals are not threatened. Thats why he tried to stop Jaina
How Powerful is the Scourge?
- Post Warcraft III
- Post WotLK
- What is their greatest Weakness?
- Will we go back to Northrend in BfA???
Well Lich king got owned in 20 seconds
Ah, the Horde... When this game is over you will all be back in the Internment Camps. Not even Broxigar's spirit can save you!
If the Horde would have same number of people like the Alliance, I think Horde would be a lot stroger than the alliane
Well Horde is stronger even with lower numbers, so of course they would be stronger on equal numbers.
You forgot the part where they don't even trust one another and always have a falling off with one of the races every other expansion/patch.
You make the best WOW videos
For the Horde!
Wrong, mate. Forsaken can not be raised again. That's the lore. That's why sylvanas wanted immortality so much, she wanted to raise forsaken and give more of them life.
Lok'narrosh! FOR THE HORDE!
Skoll Shorties lok tar nagar
Lok'tar brother!
Skoll Shorties Lok'Garrosh!
Lok-Narash* At least learn your own language, if you plan on using it. Sorry, you got outnerded. :(
first thing i said after watching this vid FOR THE HORDE !!!!!
Thanks for this vid love your content!
I don't think that the Horde can explore/ transport and conquer other planets. The only spaceship we've traveled on in-game was Draeneis, and even though both factions used it only one can build such. The only way I can imagine Horde to travel between the planets (I don't want to mention any Goblin rockets as it would be suicidal) is if they receive a 'favor' from Aggramar who could open a portal for them, the same as Sargeras (/Medivh) did with the 1st Horde.
It could mean at some point that Alliance can become stronger than Horde thanks to expansion to other planets. But because Draenei had to sacrifice a lot of resources on this one spaceship, it simply means that Alliance can't build a new one, or more, during the war with the Horde (and honestly they will be at war all the time, since that's the point of these two factions).
Ever heard of of portals? Pretty sure thats how the first horde got into Azeroth.
Short answer: However Blizzard wants them to be. One minute they can kick Sargeras's behind and next Hogger destroys Orgrimmar.
Well, in Aliance there is more lore baised powerful characters who would defeat horde leaders. Khadgar - supreme mage, Jaina - supreme mage, Muradin - strong warrior, Velen - strong priest, Anduin - strong priest\paladin and in the future supreme light champion. Magni - speaker of Azeroth herself ！Also It were mainly aliance characters who proved to be true heroes... Aegwyn, Medivh, Lothar, Khadgar, Tirion, Varian
Khadgar, Tirion, Aegwyn, and Medivh were mainly neutral. Magni became neutral after he became speaker of Azeroth, pretty sure Garrosh, Varok, and Baine are more powerful warriors than Muradin. Tirion, Varian, and Lothar are dead. Velen isnt that much of a fighter. Anduin almost got himself killed by Sylvanas were it not for Jaina. So rhe only real threat against the Horde would be Jaina, Malfurion, and Tyrande.
Lets face it, the only reason garrosh is dead is because he was so fucking op that blizzard decided to kill him. He literally was unstoppable, one of the Best tactician and one (if not) the Best Warrior in Azeroth.
Nothing the Empire of Man with its Steel, Faith, and Gunpowder couldn’t handle I’m sure!
The big number of blood elves are not using fel magic (except the warlocks) since they reignited the sunwell with the powers of both the holy light and the arcane back in the end of the burning crusade, that's why they are getting golded eyes in bfa since they are removing the fel taint from them slowly. They bring out the blood knight paladins who wield the light and are very powerful fighters and an elite in the blood elven society, they also have very powerful holy priests that heal the wounded and wield the light offensively and also the blood elven farstriders (hunters) who are also an elite part of their armies, protection and investigations. The taurens also wield the light too, they have low numbers of priests (sages) that also heal but also they commune with the spirits of the dead, they also have the sunwalkers who wield the light more as a healers and defenders and lets not forget the tauren shamans who also like to heal and to maintain balance with the elements since they are very ancient in the shamanism together with the trolls and are the first races on Azeroth that are practicing shamanism.
Great and fair video, but you have forgot to mention a few things:
- Garrosh was under the influence of Heart of Y'Shaarj and actually was pardoned by the August Celestials. Bronze Dragon Kairozdormu and Wrathion kidnapped him away to Alternate Draenor. Before that he was quite honorable, proof can be found at ending of Stonetalon Mountains quests and at his reply letter to Magatha.
- Also, you forgot to mention, in lore Trolls have powerful regeneration abilities, they can even grow limbs back.
- And also you forgot to mention Blood Elves have the Sunwell restored (ironically, thanks to Velen) and in lore Silvermoon is now connected with Isle of Quel'danas, it's a much more powerful city, close to its former glory now and with Sunwell, Blood Elves became a considerable force.
- Optionally, it's not happened yet but you could mention Zandalari and Mag'har too, they will join The Horde. Zandalari IS the oldest and most powerful race of Azeroth, comparably almost as powerful as the Draenei in lore and Mag'har of the old Iron Horde of Alternate Draenor, even defeated and now in war with Yrel's Lightbound, they have the big numbers The Horde is lacking.
Vale Nope, Zandalar Trolls are old af. They were there even before the Titans came on Azeroth. Zandalar is the oldest playable Race with the Draenei right now.
theyr not a race not yet the trolls and taurens were one of the first
Allan Valdez They will be in 8.1
Can John Please go and read something about the ordering of Azeroth... what you wrote about the zandalari and the titans is beyond stupid... before the titans came was the black empire and before that was the elements waging war on each other. Trolls come from the mogu that the titans created
Giorgos Komnis Are you brainless or something? Gamepedia says:
“They are one of the earliest non-Titanforged races of Azeroth.[4] There are several subspecies of troll, with the Zandalari trolls being the progenitors from whence all other trolls came.”
“Trolls are one of the oldest, if not the oldest, non-Old God created or titan-forged species on Azeroth. Troll legends mention the Titans, calling them "the Travelers", and their battle with the Old Gods.[26]”.
They are there before the Titans, also they aren’t coming from Mogu’s are you stupid? Go read before you talk.
Most arguements seem to be that the horde are refugees and the alliance is largely populated but isn't it the other way round? Looking at the alliance, the draenei, gnomes, worgen and as of bfa, the night elves are very few and are refugees without a home. The humans are most populated with the survivors from seven kingdoms pooring into stormwind who currently inhabit 4 in-game zones. The dwarves are the only other race who have a stable milaterised empire but choose not to use infantry in the alliance and instead support the humans with their weapons. I think the bfa cinematic shows how the alliance is mainly supported by a human infantry with gnome and dwarf weaponry and draenei and elven magic as support.
The horde on the other hand has the full support of all their races with large, stable empires. The orcs are heavily militarised and well reinforced by recources, the tauren are largely populated and span 6 in-game zones however most of them are under threat, the trolls are very few in number and have no empire but have a strong army as shown by their rebellion, the goblins support the horde with their economy and weaponry such as the cannon at bilgewater, the blood elves are few but have re-stabalised their kingdom and have a large navy as shown by the isle of thunder and SoO, the forsaken have a large empire and military in lordaeron which could change after SoL. With nearly every race able to use their own armies, a united horde army would easily crush the humans if properly organised
Horde died with Siege of Orgrimmar.
Not quite true, it died in Cata, when Thrall left.
You're wrong! The horde is decayed, but not brocken.
Wrong horde never died servers are still up as far as i know
Nah, it was reborn
Allinace is dead
Go check out the storyline of Sylvanas and her Valkyrie. The Forsaken are not able to 'recruit' in the old fashioned 'raise corpses'
I think you forgot another very important thing Goblins do...MONEY!!
A small group of well trained orcs would fucking smash a human army.. in terms of battle experience and brute strenght
GUYS DONT BUY FROM THE SPONSER! ITS CHEAPER TO BUY FROM BATTLE NET THEN THEM!
Is it true that most Horde players are generally more liberal than Alliance players on average...??
Good shit man , really appreciate the videos! Keep up the good work!
That the Horde didn't win the 4th war is entirely down to Sylvanas trusting Saurfang to kill Malfurion, and Saurfang not doing so. Not saying Sylvanas was justified in burning Teldressill, only that she wouldn't have if her underling could follow simple instructions.
For The Horde !!!!
For the Horde!!
For the Horde !!! Azeroth will be ours !!
And now we can turn it to the second Outland!!
Servant Of The Light oh yea we will lol
Against that space ship its gonna hard
Great video but I think a larger stress on the population difference between the Alliance will be very important. There is just so many humans its insane. However the big difference as you said is majority of the horde is more battle hardened as the Alliance have many citizens that have no relation to military. Maybe mentioning that a battle of attrition cannot be done with Horde forces while the Alliance can do so. It also explains why the horde tactics have used bombing, burning huge trees lol, or using the plague. They simply lack the numbers the Alliance have to do longer wars.
Plus goblin warfare tech are pretty dangerous and lethal compared to gnomish ones.
RageDeath Yeah except it’s not dangerous to the enemy it’s dangerous to the person who uses it
Dont forget to hit that Bell icon =D
SITH WILL HELP THE HORDE 😎,za Hordu!!!
Great we need the help
Nice video, it would be even better if Nightborne and Highmountain Tauren was included after 6:53.(the moment when u finished with the Goblin)
Btw I personally think the Alliance has greater power generally than the Horde in the lore. What do you say?
黃振達 Nightborn and Hightmountain Tauren aren't members of the Horde, but yes
zailvaix12 Yes they are.
Alliance is more united and organized than the horde. Also all of Horde leaders turn out to be selfish, arrogant and power hungry.
Alliance has greater numbers, but in terms of power, they get fucking obliterated.
The Horde only exist so that the Alliance has a group they can punk.
More powerful than the alliance that's for sure! Considering every BG on alliance side were all standing around talking about how were gonna get owned :(
For the horde!!!(I am alliance anyway)
Lok' Tar! The only thing the Horde needs is a Warchief, now more than ever. Instead of the *degenerate pretender* who is posing in its place!
Sylvanas is actually the best pick for leader of a group of outcasts and refugees who all seek survival.
sarkasmt2 id have to disagree...after what i read in the most recent book...after what she did to those who were her own...all she cares about is power
Unfortunately the horde died when Thrall abandoned them and gave them away to a tyrant. Now all that remains is a warhungry mongrel of afaction that needs to be put down by Jaina like she should have years ago.
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Well said
Is troll mage a voodoo user or an arcane user
I am not sure the Fel is as common with the Blood Elves now since they regain the Sunwell there main power would be Arcane and Light. I think besides Warlocks Fel is not use anymore by the Blood Elves
WC3 2 Footman = 1 Grunt. The horde always had few soldiers, but biology makes them much stronger than an ordinary human. The horde endured all the battles including two civil wars, Undercity and Orgrimar. The tactics of the horde are more related to guerrilla warfare than the classic army. Referring to the magic for now tip the balance for the side of Silvermoon and Suramar more than Dalaran (that under the command of Khadgar I imagine that it will stay away from the conflict). On the other hand an open war between the factions would not leave an obvious winner, even sylvanas did not want a war, only to close in Kalimdor and let the alliance bleed, taking part of the elven population as hostages. Another point is that the horde has not hesitated to use weapons of mass destruction (at least two of its leaders) and that makes them extremely dangerous. If Sylvanas is able to fill her own city with plague, let's imagine what she is capable of doing with her enemies. Even smaller factions proved to be too powerful for the horde or alliance to face alone, even less would a total victory be possible. For example, we still found Broken Draenei under the noses of the Burning Legion after thousands of years.
I love how everyone hated Garrosh for his war crimes,bombing theramore because it was a fortress of the enemy, the fall of Gilneas just more war, the desecration of the vale is legit not good, but the rest is just silly to hate him for it. The warchief mantle is thrown at him, he knows he is not ready yet he takes it anyway. His advisers turn on him pretty easy, the druids are killed by orcs, so it must be Garrosh. No one gives the guy the support he needs so he just gives up on the other races realizing that the only true protectors of the Horde are the orcs so he starts running the Horde like the Orcish Horde not entirely a bad thing, to be honest if people would of just talked to him and stuck by him maybe he would still be around. Turning our hero into a villain just for the sake of story, it fucking sucks. Yet Sylvanas can just start up a war with the Alliance, burn a world tree and starts using the plague on the Alliance and everyone is cool with it. ten outta ten, Garrosh was just being a Warchief. Sylvanas is probably the worst Warchief. I hope she dies.
Well hey are you horde or alliance
My main has always been Horde but I play both factions.
so you were like me when i was i litlle kid din't have a problem with what faction you were playing
@@trickz9393 so the horde? Also little?
Hellscream was the best warchief imo :D
Yep
The horde has the Zappy boi
I duno bout you but I'd be afraid
Zappy boi vs T'paartos, The ultimate lineup
Garrosh never had the support of the other faction leaders of the Horde. Why wouldn't he be pro orc?
I wonder if sylvanas makes garrosh into an undead
how powerful is the horde?..
simple answer, how powerful is the enemy? double it
I feel like the Horde Gunships is a horrible design. All it takes is to puncture one of the baloons, and BAM! It plummets to the ground.
...FOR THE ALLIANCE!
For the !!(I am horde anyway)
FOR THE HORDE!
For the horde
this video is a recollection of the history of the horde not a clear scale of how powerful is the horde and the blood elves don't use the fel ( primary elements of the blood elves are arcane and holy magic after TBC)
Still hoping to see minor factions, like Kul'Tiras and especially the Ebon Blade.
I know this comment is 3 years old and shadowlands didnt exist yet, I think Shadowlands has shown the Ebon Blades to be an absurdly strong faction, able to fight off armies twice their size that the actual "main character" NPCs (Thrall, Jaina, etc.) struggle to fight with on a much stronger scale. It's almost made the EB appear TOO strong.
The Naga should join the Horde next expansion
Why?
- Doesn’t defend Healer in WSG
Very very powerful
I really like your your videos, keep up the great work! If I can ask, where are you from? (sry for bad English)
Hey doronsmovies,you will speak about the burning legion or the iron horde and one powerful is?
When are we getting a goblin as warchief?
Never you puny little splotch!
Horde>Alliance
Is that opinion wise or fact-wise? The first one could go either way but the second one would leave you incorrect.
I miss Garrosh I miss that Hord it actually felt powerful
Seeing as they always dominate battlegrounds pretty strong
Instant gaming!? I thought he would've said Green Man Gaming.
since pre-patch dropped, (War More) I've been leading the horde ( Offensive and Defensive ).
here's what i noticed:
alliance:
No coordination what so ever. poor tactics and scatter around every time they try to attack. no matter how big the group attacks, they always lose to smaller group of the Horde. leave battle too soon and mount up to run, even when we get them down eventually. the best of them i've seen in pvp are the one's who come to durotar to gank low health dueling players..( some of their rogues are really annoying but eventually dies over and over)
Horde:
Listen to their Group leader, Plans from everyone also accepted. NO ONE is allowed to die only if ganked by a surprise. Regroup is always the 1st and 2nd option. Well timed attacks on both sides ( off/def). even assassins coordination to Kill their healers. High moral, No stopping until all areas are clear of every alliance near, (Including stealth one's). and the horde will not only defend their orgi always, they always attack back into stormwind and seriously take over the city. not only fly around and that's it. they walk inside the city also (RP walks) until there's no defense then we leave.( That includes goldshire, Ironforge, the sw pvp area right outside the gate)
I love how a lot of arguments in this comment section boil down to:
Alliance: "We have better tech, are numerous, culturally stable and unified, and use good tactics."
Horde: "oUR gunship HAVE MASSIVE WOLF HEADS that CAn cRUSH YOURRR SHIPSSSS. GOBLIN TECH 213401623981897x BETTERRR! STRONG WARiORRR RAAAAAAAA"
I'm not being biased. I don't even play WoW...but man this is funny.
Hordes been cripplee yet still. Lethal. Alliance can't end us, we will survive and conquer LOK'TAR OGAR