They removed it because it is more secure for users so the companies don't like thet... I had 5 years old pop up camera phone and it work fine and i don't want to buy a normal phone.
I had no issues with the camera but on a trip to South Asia last year the screen started to die. Had to get rid of the phone. Curved displays have nothing but been unreliable to me.
Given that there's now folding phones with IP ratings, I'm pretty sure we could've figured something out for tiny pop up cameras. If they lasted 2-3 more generations it would've been waterproof. That's the key thing imo
Just make the screen slide down, revealing the camera behind it. The way people overcomplicate things sometimes is baffling. A simple sliding screen is proven and will be way more reliable than a tiny motor.
It wasn't the *iPhone X* that started the race for bezel less experience it was started by *Samsung* by releasing the Galaxy S8 series, eliminating the bezels in March, 2017 and Samsung itself was inspired from Xiaomi Mi Mix that was released in October, 2016.
My favorite design was the zenfone 6 which basically used the power of the back camera as the selfie cam. How can you even beat that with a mediocre pop up camera?
oh my god thats my dream phone during the whole corona period but theres no fuckin shi1 in my country shi1 i still love that and miss those days watching phone comparison vids
I always wondered why phone manufacturers didn't have this feature for longer To me, Pop up cameras was the best way to enjoy a full notch less display, with no loss in quality like those under display cameras I hope they can think of something that gets rid of the camera hole on the display in the future
a pleasant hello to you Zim. may I kindly ask, Do you have a mobile device that had a Pop up Camera ? I have a Xiaomi Mi 9T Pro that I purchase in year 2019. I still preserve the appearance value of the device. At the current year today, My glacier blue Mi 9T Pro looks brand new on 2024.
Still using my lovely Mi 9T to this moment.. It's such a beast of a phone that offered everything with almost no compromises, a pop-up camera, headphone jack, premium build. I can't believe it will be a 6 year-old phone in just about 4-5 months
Unfortunately my screen went burst but I'm thinking of fixing it and just having it as an extra phone. It was an epic one indeed. I'm using the OnePlus 12 now
0:52 This is so not true. Android began that race in 2016, Apple was late to the game even then. Plus Androids had only one hole at the side of the screen (at the time). iPhones had that hideous notch.
Exactly, this video has me feeling mixed. Almost half of his information is incorrect. I'm not sure if he didn't bother to google anything, but at the end of the day, who cares 😊
I had bought the Xiaomi Mi 9T in 2019 and the build quality was insane, great speed, fantastic customization and two-day battery life... I miss it. I came from other (maximum) 299€ phones but that was way superior to me. It lasted for 4 years and I still remember it as the most innovative smartphone I had ever.
Me and my friend had the screen going out and after 1 drop pixels on mine went blue and then gone completely. Camera wasn't sliding back completely because it was forced a few times to go back.
a pleasant hello AudioTechnica. I have a Xiaomi Mi 9T Pro that I purchase in year 2019. I still preserve the appearance value of the device. At the current year today, My glacier blue Mi 9T Pro looks brand new on 2024.
I so wanted one when it came out. Looked amazing with lots of potential. Good chip, display, 3.5mm, Lots of ROMs. But a plot twist- I never bought it and got an iPhone XS cheap and I still use it today, even better. Reason was that the stock software and Chinese brand wasn't appealing.
better to have a notch and 3d face reciognition than a camera with 2d face reciognition that has to popup slowly, and fingerprint scanners are objectively less seamless than facial reciognition a majorrity of the time, they are not an excuse to have poor facial reciognition
been using my OnePlus 7 Pro for 5 years now. i know it's crazy to think about how long it's already been since the launch of this phone but man. the performance on my phone still keeps up with the latest and greatest smartphones out there. some people even thought this was a new release phone and they'd always ask what phone I'm using. it really is a timeless design and i personally think OnePlus peeked at the 7 Pro in terms of all around design considering this was released in 2019.
Still a shit world where you cant decide for yourself if your new Phone should or should not have a feature. Its really just, every phone has it or no phone has it
To this day, I simply cannot imagine changing my OnePlus 7T Pro. It simply can't be beaten to me, and I wish they'd refresh its design with better specs for a new model.
I've been using the One Plus 7T pro, until last week. It works perfectly fine, and I love the pop up camera. I was forced to update, due to my country updating their cellular network and making it unable to make calls.
You from Australia? Because it's the same for me, using OnePlus 7t pro but they fcuked up the cellular stuff and now even some 4g and 5g phones not working
My Father still uses Redmi K20 Pro & I use OnePlus 7t Pro as my secondary device to watch videos coz of it's full immersive quad hd display. It's been more than 5 years and they are still working Perfectly 🔥
You forgot to add the Xiaomi Mi Mix 3 unique mechanism to hide cameras and even frontal light flash, where the entire phone was literally divided in two halfs just like the old Nokias.
I bought my Mi Mix 3 in early 2019 and still using it to date. Great phone. Love the big notch free screen and the big screen to body rario. The soundeffect while sliding it open is also really cool and customisable. Im using the AI button on the left side for indiviual tasks like flashlight on off
I'm also wondering what happened to large area under display fingerprint scanners (the ones where you could place your finger on a display area of multiple inches to unlock instead of having to place your finger on a spot with little finger placement headroom like on my Galaxy S24 for example. Nobody on the internet talks about it.
What I can think of is that it takes too much space for the same functionality. If most people are comfortable with little but usable on-screen fingerprint, then why adding more spaces for that? Having a bigger space for it doesn't seem to give any advantages against the market, maybe some people will buy it for the sake of it, but the number will be not big.
@@raffiihzazuhairnawan2091 I think it's more on how possible faults increase with complexity. It's like how a laptop non touch screen is better than the touch. That extra layer makes it more delicate and easy to ruin This logic should be the downfall of the pop-up camera
Wow! Easy there,buddy! 😅 That's gonna be a space eater and if not done right,it's gonna be hella annoying to always flick your finger up and down and with todays smartphones getting bigger and longer,it's gonna be very inconvenient to place the switch high up on the side where you'd have to stretch your finger with the risk of dropping your phone in the process since the lower part will be filled by volume rockers and power button.
Mi mix 3 has a manual slider mechanism. It is kinda nice but the mechanism is based on ribbon cables and has several flaws like being vulnerable to dust and the cables being bent and frayed over time. So, the automatic pop-up is still better. Actually, you can mod Redmi K20 camera to slide out with a lightsaber sound and backlight, it looks crazy cool.
The best I think would be a spring and a latch system, where the phone can release latch on demand with a really small solenoid, but then you have to push the camera back in manually. Both the cavity holding the camera, and the shell of the camera can be waterproofed independently, connected by flex cable, like halves of Fold, and all that would require about as much space as a motor screw mechanism. Spring and cable would be repairable easily in case of wear or corrosion. Latch mechanism would probably be fused to pcb or the structure tho for space efficiency and not removable.
@@arcturuslight_ ikr, its really a shame they did not consider such solutions for these cameras. I just keep putting a sticker on it, which makes my phones look really stupid.
iPhone X wasn't the first to increase the aspect ratio drastically. Early on was the Sharp Aquos Crystal in 2014 where the screen had a beveled edge all the way to the top. There was also the Mi Mix line.
I had a Mi9T Pro for 4 years and it was the best phone I’ve ever had. Great battery, fast, headphone jack, charged fast and didn’t have a camera in my face all the time. I bought specifically because I don’t use the camera at all, so I didn’t want it filling space in my screen. It was a great gimmick to surprise people too
I'm still using the Redmi K20 Pro/Mi 9T pro with a custom ROM. And it still runs flawlessly. I bought it used for around 120$ last year. I can assure u that it still performs better than some mid range phones of today. Also the full screen is surely enjoybale once u get used to it. Peak smartphone design era
I've been using the OnePlus 7T Pro for 5 years now, and you know what? Absolutely nothing, it still works perfectly. The camera functions smoothly without any lags, and this is despite the fact that it's been through a lot. It's been dropped numerous times, everything is cracked, the screen is burnt out, and the glass is shattered in several places on both sides. Yet, it still works just as well as the day I bought it. And I bought it precisely because it has a pop-up camera. This phone was definitely worth it.
When the trend of pop up camera began i was really excited. I didn't need new phone at that time so i missed on getting one. But now seeing that literally no brand give pop up cameras i am very sad. I would have prioritised pop camera in place of face id, flagship chip, ai feature, high refresh rate or fast charging.
It was amazing how often browsing the web would open the pop up camera, I believe Google hated being exposed that way, because it would only happen with chrome, not with brave or Firefox, chrome will just try to open the camera in any random website
I still have my Mi 9T Pro, but I almost never use the pop-up camera, heck, I rarely use the back camera. lol I can go with punch hole but I just wish that phone manufacturers still put them on the top most left instead of the top center.
@@jonathanjoestarjojolion98 I've changed my Mi 9T Pro's battery and it's still great. There are still some custom roms being made for the device. I mainly use it at home for light gaming, youtube and media consumption and some other stuff, but when I go out I use my Poco X3 Pro. Technically I use my Mi 9T Pro more than the Poco X3 Pro since I work from home.
For most answers of why something got obsolete. Generally answer is value brought for money spent. Pop up cameras have better privacy and look but to achieve that, Does the feature bring in more money or it could be spent for something more important. Similar story in Apple's 3d touch, The feature brought improvements but it was expensive for the improvements it brought. In short, practicality wins over luxury in long run.
Im actually glad they stopped doing the pop up cameras. I could imagine tech companies/repair shops charging outrageous prices to fix a pop up camera, that will definitely break at some point.
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I dont understand why there is no phone that just has no selfie cam, its like not that necessary or important to everyone. I think a good chunk of the market arent big into selfies or video calls and could simply do without them. Its also why the popup was a good solution, simple and elegant especially for people who dont depend on the front camera!
no one would buy a phone without a front facing cam in 2024 lol
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@@--julian_ I dont think so, it would have quite a niche market for sure but so do folds and gaming phones and so on. But also they can simply return the popups, such a good solution for the truly bezelless screen
I used to own a Redmi K20 Pro and i loved that phone to its very end. I still miss that phone sometimes. Just so good and worth the money it was. Never found another phone like that
I can't let go of my Xiaomi/Redmi K20/Mi 9T, Five years after purchase my phone works as good as new except for a failing battery and power buttons. I love the uninterrupted screen for TH-cam and gaming. I am considering getting the Xiaomi Mi Mix 4 because it's the one of the more affordable screens with an under display camera.
Oppo was really creative with its designs back thn! But the issue is, my sister owned a OnePlus 7 Pro, but she accidentally dropped the phone, making the camera popup to jam and now her old OnePlus 7 Pro is "front camera-less"
ZTE is the only brand that is truly committed to this technology, they use it in all their top models. While Samsung uses a much more rudimentary version of that under-screen technology, you can see the pixels on the Z Fold's in-selfie camera and the quality is worse than on the ZTE's models.
I remember when there were many ads about pop up cameras featuring extreme durability campaigns like using a support for the small stage with the ballerina dancing over it
As someone who never uses the front camera, I loved my old Pop-up Camera Phone. I used it for half a decade and only ever used the Camera a handful of times. It was perfect, letting me have a full display, avoiding an notch for a camera I rarely use, while still being there for any clutch moments. I was so sad when I had to switch, but there was no new phones with a Pop-up Camera I could find. The redmagic 9 pro, was the best I could cope with. I really hope they bring back Pop-up Caneras.
I know people take this kind of editing for granted these days but I really appreciate the effort always picking a matching clip and especially how the gestures of your avatar matched to what youre talking about. Definitely got my sub, keep it up :)
Man, that's so true. Zoom calls? Go f*ck yourself I'm not showing my face so just hear my voice. Selfies? Come on, teenage girls all got iphones so leave holes to them. I'm in my mid 30s and don't need holes in my screen. Still using Huawei P Smart Z. Too bad Huawei is also making trash nowadays.
Owner of a Samsung A80 for 4 years now. People were scared of such an "experimental" phone back then but the phone still works perfectly, the camera still flips like it should, and I can still fully enjoy my uninterrupted screen. Another big reason I got this phone was that it shipped with Qualcomm chips worldwide, and since I live in Europe I didn't want to deal with Exynos, especially since my previous Samsung Exynos phone died in just 2 years
Soon as you started to say "In a world where data privacy..." I got ready to skip 20 secs expecting to be marketed yet another VPN 😂. But dude you have an amazing channel and I wish for you to one day grow big enough to get sponsors. Just keep up the vids and quality
I've had a redmi k20 pro (aka Mi9T) for like 5 years now. Never had a problem with its pop up camera. I've actually dropped it several times and the latest one broke its back glass, but the pop up camera lives on :D
I am currently using a OnePlus 7 Pro with Android 15 (using custom ROM) and just replaced the battery after 5 years the phone is actually still really usable, didn't find a better phone since then. And would definitely keep it another 5 year at least and only change is I REALLY NEED to.
I honestly wonder, how no company has had the Idea to just put a small display on the back of the phone for Selfies with the main camera, abolishing the need of a front camera. Kind of the same principle as on the fold phones, but for normal phone
Yeeah, there's already been a solution to that but better. Asus Zenfone 8 Flip, it released the same time as pop up selfie cameras came out but that phone flips the Main cameras to the front so you can use those for selfies with the added benefit of using whole phone screen instead of adding a small one at the back. Trust me what you're suggesting is not as usable as you think, in most cases selfies are a YARD away(arm/s fully extended) you'll be squinting your eyes every time you try to look at that small screen, i.e. Z Fold 4 & 5, Xiaomi Mi 11 Ultra.
Also the thing is the OnePlus 7 pro had been decided to have 5000maH Battery but it got limited to 4000maH because of the pop up cam.I commented this from my OnePlus 7 pro
Not gunna lie, I loved the idea of the pop up camera. While I was never a big selfie person, the novelty of the pop up camera was cool and it did clean up the screen of that obnoxious dot or gash when watching videos.
Man I used to own one of these types of phones, it was the Xiaomi Mi 9T and it really felt like the future back then. Bought it in 2019 and gave it to a friend after 2 years, he still has it and the pop-up camera never broke down.
So many things I disagree with this video. The mechanism is pretty compact, resilient and isn't that complicated. It's just an actuator attached to a camera. Most of the damage happens with dumb users either manually trying to operate the popup or forgot about it and hit it somewhere. Water resistance can simply be solved by adding a rubber flap like they did with sim and sd trays. The main reason it fell off is punchole displays are easy to make and is a cheaper solution. Rip 7(t)pro and 9t pro, the goat on popups
There would be other solutions for people who dislike notches and punchholes: 1. Release Smartphones with very small top and bottom bezel like the Sony Xperia 1 VI. (also good for front facing speakers and notification LED, which Sony sadly removed) 2. Implement a display on the backside and remove front facing camera. (bad for live streamers etc. but good for people who rarely use the front camera) 3. Implement a small hole/storage compartment in the smartphone were you can put a external USB C camera. (Could compromise water and dust resistance of the phone.)
i hate weird screen shapes because im a game developer, i have to account for different types and what aspect ratio the phone is. while on desktop and console its much more simple, rectangle. sure you can add a safe area but it just flows weird sometimes
I have the Oppo Reno x10 zoom with me for 4 years now, and while it's starting to show it's age in terms of other areas (battery, camera, buggy software), the pop up camera actually still works amazing. Sometimes people are surprised by the pop up camera and it's like a "gotcha" moment for me.
Pop up camera is the best solution for full screen experience, maybe manufacturer can add mechanism for manually pop up the camera in case automatic system failure, or just completely throw the automatic system, just let user control it, For water resistant issue I think if the technology survive till this day we already get one,
my friends A80 camera module was still solid 3yrs later. could say his model was lucky but i think it was just well designed. still looked just as cool & smooth as the first time. we were so close to greatness
I am still using pop-up camera phone from 2019. Realme X. Still pop-up mechanism working without any issues. It's more than 5 and a half years. This phone is a legend, though it’s gone slow after 5 years. This is the most I have used a phone this long.😅
I have Realme X which I bought in 2019 and till today it still works like a charm .. No problem with the pop up camera. And I love there is no camera hole or notch on the screen
My Mi 9T is a few days from being 5 years old and is still working just fine. I'm not the biggest fan of the camera since it drew from water resistance and practicality. Though as I don't use it too often it doesn't bother me that much and I'm definitely gonna miss the full edge to edge screen on whatever my next phone will be.
me too using the 5 year old mi 9 t and it work fine, i having a bad time thinking about the new phone because i love the full screen and the privacy of this phone .
I've been using OnePlus phones since 2018, starting with OP5. When I saw the reveal of the 7 Pro I immediately fell in love with its design and I knew that I need it. In late 2020 I actually got one and it was amazing, uninterrupted edge to edge curved screen (that curve was perfect for gesture navigation) with thin bezels. I planned to never change phones until either someone comes out with a new popup design or with an underscreen one, or even one without a selfie camera at all because I hardly ever use it! Problems started when I had to replace the USB port because I broke it by bending the cable too much, resulting in a loss of fast charging, the repair wouldn't be cheap and at the same time I kind of wanted to change the battery as well because I got the phone used and its battery started to show its age a bit. All repair shops wanted me to leave the phone with them for a couple of days which I wasn't able to do because I had a trip to Berlin scheduled in the coming days, I ended up just taking it and my OP5 with me as a backup in case the port fails entirely. And that was a good call, because on a rainy day the phone slipped out of my hand and the screen got obliterated. After a few hours it went completely black with seemingly no signs of life coming out of it, fortunately I managed to back up all of my files in that time. And guess what - when I was still able use the phone for a brief amount of time, I checked if the popup camera still worked after the drop - AND IT DID! I was so sad that I lost the best phone ever made... Surprisingly enough going back to the OP5 didn't feel that bad - even though that phone was already 6 years old it still felt pretty good, but it was clear that the software support was long gone, so I decided to buy something newer on the first good occasion, and I ended up getting an OP 10 Pro - it's almost the exact same size as 7 Pro, even the weight is similar, the screen is still curved although much less than on the 7 Pro so it doesn't feel as good but it's still ok of course, and the screen... has a holepunch camera. It doesn't bother me as much as I thought it would but there are certain apps that still act weird because they have to somehow avoid it, and in brighter content it's painfully obvious. I would love to see OP making another 7 Pro - they would of course never be able to beat it, in my opinion it's the best phone that ever came out, but at least I would be able to enjoy a full screen again. But that won't happen because OP is only a subbrand of Oppo right now, which is just sad to see.
The real reason is Pop-Up cameras were too much privacy for data brokers who rely on facial data and audio feedback. Whenever a website accessed the camera the camera would Pop-Up.😎👍
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so they got rid of the pop up camera because a phone with less moving parts is more reliable
also phone companies: FoLd
Also Flip
They removed it because it is more secure for users so the companies don't like thet...
I had 5 years old pop up camera phone and it work fine and i don't want to buy a normal phone.
Must've gotten some pushback from anti privacy systems. The front facing camera is a front-door to you
@@strategy_TRMe too. Still using my 6 years old Redmi K20 Pro. Works fine.
And fold and flip didn’t get to a mainstream spot, it’s pricey, fragile, and impractical. So yea, phone with moving parts didn’t fly.
OnePlus 7 pro was peak OnePlus design and it's not even a contest
Based comment
Never hear anyone talk about OnePlus anymore.
I had a 7 pro and it was awesome. Wish I never upgraded by i love my fold 3
I had no issues with the camera but on a trip to South Asia last year the screen started to die. Had to get rid of the phone. Curved displays have nothing but been unreliable to me.
S21 ultra was the best
I had a Redmi K20 pro from 2019, which is still working and the pop up mechanism. Peak innovation
Same here. Bought in 2020 BBD and still going on like a charm. Also LMC R16 (GCam) has made it a monster.
The best one
Same device i used now
yep i have it too, i got a one plus 11 recently but i still use the normal redmi k20 . im surpirsed it still works after so long.
it's also called Mi 9T. i'm using it now
Given that there's now folding phones with IP ratings, I'm pretty sure we could've figured something out for tiny pop up cameras. If they lasted 2-3 more generations it would've been waterproof. That's the key thing imo
Its a very easy solution. Add a rubber flap at the top so its sealed shut once the camera is pulled down
@@solanumtuberosa what i thought about right away
Just make the screen slide down, revealing the camera behind it. The way people overcomplicate things sometimes is baffling. A simple sliding screen is proven and will be way more reliable than a tiny motor.
@@xFluing you do add a bit of thickness. If u just want a slider for the front cam you would probably overlap with the back cam
@@xFluing mi mix 3 was like that, i got the 4 with under the screen cam because the 3 floped
It wasn't the *iPhone X* that started the race for bezel less experience it was started by *Samsung* by releasing the Galaxy S8 series, eliminating the bezels in March, 2017 and Samsung itself was inspired from Xiaomi Mi Mix that was released in October, 2016.
Facts
Yeah that was weird, apple shouldn’t have credit for that race
The only thing I can attribute apple to is the notch and that is a backwards innovation
S8 and S9 was Smasnug's peak design 😍
Doesn't matter if Samsung started. People will remember the iPhone. Samsung was the pioneer but apple market it better
My favorite design was the zenfone 6 which basically used the power of the back camera as the selfie cam. How can you even beat that with a mediocre pop up camera?
Sounds like the Samsung A80
@@DarkAnims Asus did it better. That camera was really good for the time.
@@DarkAnimsbut better than that mess.
Exactly! But with that design, how will Google secretly record you without you knowing?
@@verma.shaurya must be hard for Google to keep track of your faces when smartphone starts innovating.
Mi 9T PRO owner here, I just have to say that the screen looks incredibly beautiful for a 5 year old phone
Same. My phone is falling apart from all the abuse but the front cam still works
I have the 9t myself and the screen still looks great
I had one and the video is making me nostalgic about it...
Watching this video in full screen on my Poco F2Pro without any obstructions. And I'm using it since 2020.
Same here, awesome speed, screen and just swapped the battery, lasts all day. Wouldn't change it for the world
Same but with the OnePlus
oh my god thats my dream phone during the whole corona period but theres no fuckin shi1 in my country shi1 i still love that and miss those days watching phone comparison vids
Same but the battery is getting worse
Same, have you replaced any parts? I have done a battery replacement only :)
I always wondered why phone manufacturers didn't have this feature for longer
To me, Pop up cameras was the best way to enjoy a full notch less display, with no loss in quality like those under display cameras
I hope they can think of something that gets rid of the camera hole on the display in the future
and there's a high chance that the camera pop up can get stucked especially those wears off
There's the underdisplay camera
For me, thinner chin was okay to go forward from pop up.
a pleasant hello to you Zim. may I kindly ask, Do you have a mobile device that had a Pop up Camera ? I have a Xiaomi Mi 9T Pro that I purchase in year 2019. I still preserve the appearance value of the device. At the current year today, My glacier blue Mi 9T Pro looks brand new on 2024.
@@startwithmi1197 mine just unglued and camera doesn't fully close by itself.
They stopped doing it because they want to see your pretty face all the time when you use your phone🥰
that absolutely right !
Because companies like Google want to stalk you and sell your data and make money
Me who has an underbite and crooked teeth with a 4 out of 10 attractive level
@@Pixlewatchtoo weird flex but ok.
@@Pixlewatchtoo come here bbg/p
Still using my lovely Mi 9T to this moment..
It's such a beast of a phone that offered everything with almost no compromises, a pop-up camera, headphone jack, premium build.
I can't believe it will be a 6 year-old phone in just about 4-5 months
Unfortunately my screen went burst but I'm thinking of fixing it and just having it as an extra phone. It was an epic one indeed. I'm using the OnePlus 12 now
0:52 This is so not true. Android began that race in 2016, Apple was late to the game even then. Plus Androids had only one hole at the side of the screen (at the time). iPhones had that hideous notch.
Exactly, this video has me feeling mixed. Almost half of his information is incorrect. I'm not sure if he didn't bother to google anything, but at the end of the day, who cares 😊
Huawei P20 had that notch
@@redpepperguy1 exactly my point
Essential phone was more of an odd one off
@@600k4l That is one model of one brand... Android has hundreds of models, most of them didn't had the notch.
Bro is answering all my 3am tech questions I swear XD
Keep up the good work bro :D
i swear one day apple is gonna remove the front facing camera and charge extra for a small camera that just plugs into the usb c port lol
You only want it to happen
I´d want that
We're going back to 2001 lol
Yea, like the first camera phones... then call it "innovation"
Actually camera modules like this would be a great idea for phones with bad cameras !
I had bought the Xiaomi Mi 9T in 2019 and the build quality was insane, great speed, fantastic customization and two-day battery life... I miss it. I came from other (maximum) 299€ phones but that was way superior to me. It lasted for 4 years and I still remember it as the most innovative smartphone I had ever.
Me and my friend had the screen going out and after 1 drop pixels on mine went blue and then gone completely. Camera wasn't sliding back completely because it was forced a few times to go back.
a pleasant hello AudioTechnica. I have a Xiaomi Mi 9T Pro that I purchase in year 2019. I still preserve the appearance value of the device. At the current year today, My glacier blue Mi 9T Pro looks brand new on 2024.
i'm still using it right now 😂.
I so wanted one when it came out. Looked amazing with lots of potential. Good chip, display, 3.5mm, Lots of ROMs. But a plot twist- I never bought it and got an iPhone XS cheap and I still use it today, even better. Reason was that the stock software and Chinese brand wasn't appealing.
Still using mine as 2nd phone. move to redmagic 9 pro
5 years in and the pop up camera in my phone is working just fine.
I always felt like nobody is talking about what an eye sore the notches and especially the hole punch cameras are, it can't just be me
You're not the only one. Unfortunately most people have grown accustomed to having a bunch of dead pixels on their screen.
better to have a notch and 3d face reciognition than a camera with 2d face reciognition that has to popup slowly, and fingerprint scanners are objectively less seamless than facial reciognition a majorrity of the time, they are not an excuse to have poor facial reciognition
@@himynameisryan who even uses facial recognition anyway
@@molybd3num823 lots of people, even on android
@@molybd3num823 lots of android users i know
been using my OnePlus 7 Pro for 5 years now. i know it's crazy to think about how long it's already been since the launch of this phone but man. the performance on my phone still keeps up with the latest and greatest smartphones out there. some people even thought this was a new release phone and they'd always ask what phone I'm using. it really is a timeless design and i personally think OnePlus peeked at the 7 Pro in terms of all around design considering this was released in 2019.
The OnePlus 7 pro was my all time favorite phone it was the peak of smartphone design
Still a shit world where you cant decide for yourself if your new Phone should or should not have a feature.
Its really just, every phone has it or no phone has it
And if Apple makes something everyone follows no matter how hideous it is (notch)
You decide with your money.
To this day, I simply cannot imagine changing my OnePlus 7T Pro.
It simply can't be beaten to me, and I wish they'd refresh its design with better specs for a new model.
I swear I thought at 2:10, bro was gonna segue to a nord vpn ad HAHAHAHAHA
I've been using the One Plus 7T pro, until last week.
It works perfectly fine, and I love the pop up camera.
I was forced to update, due to my country updating their cellular network and making it unable to make calls.
You from Australia? Because it's the same for me, using OnePlus 7t pro but they fcuked up the cellular stuff and now even some 4g and 5g phones not working
@@Naruto-ts7qd yep!
Currently using my mum's old Pixel 3a XL, until I can get a new phone.
It works surprisingly well, considering it's age.
Still using my OP 7T Pro :D
But as it hasn't received security updates for years its time is ending soon :c
My Father still uses Redmi K20 Pro & I use OnePlus 7t Pro as my secondary device to watch videos coz of it's full immersive quad hd display. It's been more than 5 years and they are still working Perfectly 🔥
thank you for the disclaimer at 2:12
I was preparing to skip lol
lol
It's done so well too lol
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You forgot to add the Xiaomi Mi Mix 3 unique mechanism to hide cameras and even frontal light flash, where the entire phone was literally divided in two halfs just like the old Nokias.
I bought my Mi Mix 3 in early 2019 and still using it to date. Great phone. Love the big notch free screen and the big screen to body rario. The soundeffect while sliding it open is also really cool and customisable. Im using the AI button on the left side for indiviual tasks like flashlight on off
Me watching from my OnePlus 7 Pro
While my Wife uses her Samsung A80.
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I'm also wondering what happened to large area under display fingerprint scanners (the ones where you could place your finger on a display area of multiple inches to unlock instead of having to place your finger on a spot with little finger placement headroom like on my Galaxy S24 for example.
Nobody on the internet talks about it.
The only phone I can think of with that is the new Sharp Aquos
What I can think of is that it takes too much space for the same functionality. If most people are comfortable with little but usable on-screen fingerprint, then why adding more spaces for that? Having a bigger space for it doesn't seem to give any advantages against the market, maybe some people will buy it for the sake of it, but the number will be not big.
These are going away because power button embedded fingerprint scanners exist
@@raffiihzazuhairnawan2091 I think it's more on how possible faults increase with complexity.
It's like how a laptop non touch screen is better than the touch. That extra layer makes it more delicate and easy to ruin
This logic should be the downfall of the pop-up camera
@@Person4148betterOppo too
There is an another solution, no front camera at all. I don't need it.
Might as well buy a dumb phone for that feature alone which still actually exist these days
And having a small usb-c camera when you need it. It would be perfect.
My first smartphone, a Nokia Lumia 520, didn't had one. Or flashlight
it does not have to be motorized, it could have been manual as well, which would make it reliable.
Wow! Easy there,buddy! 😅
That's gonna be a space eater and if not done right,it's gonna be hella annoying to always flick your finger up and down and with todays smartphones getting bigger and longer,it's gonna be very inconvenient to place the switch high up on the side where you'd have to stretch your finger with the risk of dropping your phone in the process since the lower part will be filled by volume rockers and power button.
Mi mix 3 has a manual slider mechanism. It is kinda nice but the mechanism is based on ribbon cables and has several flaws like being vulnerable to dust and the cables being bent and frayed over time. So, the automatic pop-up is still better. Actually, you can mod Redmi K20 camera to slide out with a lightsaber sound and backlight, it looks crazy cool.
@@Drak_Thedpmotorised use the same flexible ribbon what are you on about
The best I think would be a spring and a latch system, where the phone can release latch on demand with a really small solenoid, but then you have to push the camera back in manually. Both the cavity holding the camera, and the shell of the camera can be waterproofed independently, connected by flex cable, like halves of Fold, and all that would require about as much space as a motor screw mechanism. Spring and cable would be repairable easily in case of wear or corrosion. Latch mechanism would probably be fused to pcb or the structure tho for space efficiency and not removable.
@@arcturuslight_ ikr, its really a shame they did not consider such solutions for these cameras. I just keep putting a sticker on it, which makes my phones look really stupid.
iPhone X wasn't the first to increase the aspect ratio drastically. Early on was the Sharp Aquos Crystal in 2014 where the screen had a beveled edge all the way to the top. There was also the Mi Mix line.
Let's just pretend they did it before the iphone find our assesess and try molesting us
Apple really are copy cats there notch on iphone x from 2017 are a copy from essential phone that released on 2016.
Did you make your script using chatgpt? Because it kinda sounds like one
Nah it just has big words
I had a Mi9T Pro for 4 years and it was the best phone I’ve ever had. Great battery, fast, headphone jack, charged fast and didn’t have a camera in my face all the time. I bought specifically because I don’t use the camera at all, so I didn’t want it filling space in my screen. It was a great gimmick to surprise people too
I'm still using the Redmi K20 Pro/Mi 9T pro with a custom ROM. And it still runs flawlessly. I bought it used for around 120$ last year. I can assure u that it still performs better than some mid range phones of today. Also the full screen is surely enjoybale once u get used to it. Peak smartphone design era
I've been using the OnePlus 7T Pro for 5 years now, and you know what? Absolutely nothing, it still works perfectly. The camera functions smoothly without any lags, and this is despite the fact that it's been through a lot. It's been dropped numerous times, everything is cracked, the screen is burnt out, and the glass is shattered in several places on both sides. Yet, it still works just as well as the day I bought it. And I bought it precisely because it has a pop-up camera. This phone was definitely worth it.
Dude, I've still the same phone now. It works perfectly!
Still waiting for a worthy phone to change.
But the camera is laughably bad and so is the software
@@Samsonfs He is old
i love the "and no this is not a segway into an ad" cuz I really thought it was gonna be a VPN sponsor lol
Great video thou keep up the great work
Asus Flip Camera was the best solution of all: You can literally take selfies using the REAR cameras.
The Huawei ShotX was the same, I loved that phone when I had it
I'm still using my OnePlus 7T Pro, and I will continue to use it until one of us dies.
Same but my pop up camera unfortunately stopped working this year
When the trend of pop up camera began i was really excited. I didn't need new phone at that time so i missed on getting one. But now seeing that literally no brand give pop up cameras i am very sad. I would have prioritised pop camera in place of face id, flagship chip, ai feature, high refresh rate or fast charging.
It was amazing how often browsing the web would open the pop up camera, I believe Google hated being exposed that way, because it would only happen with chrome, not with brave or Firefox, chrome will just try to open the camera in any random website
No way that used to happen.
I have a OnePlus 7T Pro never happened to me
I still have my Mi 9T Pro, but I almost never use the pop-up camera, heck, I rarely use the back camera. lol
I can go with punch hole but I just wish that phone manufacturers still put them on the top most left instead of the top center.
Same, watching on my Mi9T Pro 👀
hard disagree. the uncentered hole drives me nuts
got a mi 9t it was great until battery is trash and stuff started to break and crash so I just use it as a webcam for my pc now and got a new phone
@@fafiteee Agree to disagree? 😄
@@jonathanjoestarjojolion98 I've changed my Mi 9T Pro's battery and it's still great. There are still some custom roms being made for the device. I mainly use it at home for light gaming, youtube and media consumption and some other stuff, but when I go out I use my Poco X3 Pro. Technically I use my Mi 9T Pro more than the Poco X3 Pro since I work from home.
I feel like the designs and ux centered around notches like notification highlights, make it actually feel better to have a notch
For most answers of why something got obsolete. Generally answer is value brought for money spent. Pop up cameras have better privacy and look but to achieve that, Does the feature bring in more money or it could be spent for something more important.
Similar story in Apple's 3d touch, The feature brought improvements but it was expensive for the improvements it brought.
In short, practicality wins over luxury in long run.
Im actually glad they stopped doing the pop up cameras. I could imagine tech companies/repair shops charging outrageous prices to fix a pop up camera, that will definitely break at some point.
I dont understand why there is no phone that just has no selfie cam, its like not that necessary or important to everyone. I think a good chunk of the market arent big into selfies or video calls and could simply do without them. Its also why the popup was a good solution, simple and elegant especially for people who dont depend on the front camera!
no one would buy a phone without a front facing cam in 2024 lol
@@--julian_ I dont think so, it would have quite a niche market for sure but so do folds and gaming phones and so on. But also they can simply return the popups, such a good solution for the truly bezelless screen
There are some essential apps that require face recognizion to login.
@@streyngthz Not that i know of, also thats mainly iphone biometrics androids rely on fingerprints anyways
I used to own a Redmi K20 Pro and i loved that phone to its very end. I still miss that phone sometimes. Just so good and worth the money it was. Never found another phone like that
I can't let go of my Xiaomi/Redmi K20/Mi 9T, Five years after purchase my phone works as good as new except for a failing battery and power buttons. I love the uninterrupted screen for TH-cam and gaming. I am considering getting the Xiaomi Mi Mix 4 because it's the one of the more affordable screens with an under display camera.
Bold N1 owner here I've been using the pop up camera for 2 years and I see no problems with the camera and it's going really well
Oppo was really creative with its designs back thn! But the issue is, my sister owned a OnePlus 7 Pro, but she accidentally dropped the phone, making the camera popup to jam and now her old OnePlus 7 Pro is "front camera-less"
But 7 pro has camera retract feature when it senses drop so the camera doesn't go back inside when she dropped?
@Short_N_Simple i said it jammed. Now the camera doesn't come out. As far as i know, she dropped it and it didn't come out.
Mine comes out but makes the camera app crash and doesn't show anything, I don't know why
Gone, but not forgotten.. I'll never throw away my blue OnePlus 7 Pro, even now as I upgraded to a fold 4 over a year ago
A flippable, rotatable same main camera that also act as selfie camera is the best design funcntionally and privacy wise
5:06 "brands" being just ZTE and Samsung to an extent
ZTE is the only brand that is truly committed to this technology, they use it in all their top models.
While Samsung uses a much more rudimentary version of that under-screen technology, you can see the pixels on the Z Fold's in-selfie camera and the quality is worse than on the ZTE's models.
I remember when there were many ads about pop up cameras featuring extreme durability campaigns like using a support for the small stage with the ballerina dancing over it
As someone who never uses the front camera, I loved my old Pop-up Camera Phone. I used it for half a decade and only ever used the Camera a handful of times.
It was perfect, letting me have a full display, avoiding an notch for a camera I rarely use, while still being there for any clutch moments.
I was so sad when I had to switch, but there was no new phones with a Pop-up Camera I could find. The redmagic 9 pro, was the best I could cope with. I really hope they bring back Pop-up Caneras.
I never use front camera and live for the day when that unnecessary piece of hardware vanish from our phones
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Same it's a waste of space
*points to the selfie gen and the streamers and the Microsoft office/meetups/ZOOM meetings on a budget*
Unnecessary for you yes but for a vast majority that ain't just the case at all
I know people take this kind of editing for granted these days but I really appreciate the effort always picking a matching clip and especially how the gestures of your avatar matched to what youre talking about.
Definitely got my sub, keep it up :)
I wish they just removed the front camera, I haven't even seen anyone use it for years
How? because a lot a people use the front camera for video call and things like that
Man, that's so true. Zoom calls? Go f*ck yourself I'm not showing my face so just hear my voice. Selfies? Come on, teenage girls all got iphones so leave holes to them. I'm in my mid 30s and don't need holes in my screen. Still using Huawei P Smart Z. Too bad Huawei is also making trash nowadays.
Then you're in the objective minority
@@Samsonfs that's most likely the case 😅
Where the hell do you live? africa?
Owner of a Samsung A80 for 4 years now. People were scared of such an "experimental" phone back then but the phone still works perfectly, the camera still flips like it should, and I can still fully enjoy my uninterrupted screen.
Another big reason I got this phone was that it shipped with Qualcomm chips worldwide, and since I live in Europe I didn't want to deal with Exynos, especially since my previous Samsung Exynos phone died in just 2 years
Soon as you started to say "In a world where data privacy..." I got ready to skip 20 secs expecting to be marketed yet another VPN 😂. But dude you have an amazing channel and I wish for you to one day grow big enough to get sponsors. Just keep up the vids and quality
Pops up camera is a good idea because you can enjoy video , movie's and games on full screen experience i hope they still making it 🥺
Agree. So far the only non hole punch phone maker left is Sony, Nubia and Redmagic
The rock if he's a phone: 1:50
I really love your channel! Just subscribed!
Waste of 8 minutes. The answer is cost. Companies don't want to spend extra bucks for pop-up cameras. It's a cost-cutting measure. That's it.
That’s highly incorrect, this is why dumb people shouldn’t try to sound smart
I've had a redmi k20 pro (aka Mi9T) for like 5 years now. Never had a problem with its pop up camera. I've actually dropped it several times and the latest one broke its back glass, but the pop up camera lives on :D
The first word that came to my mind when I saw a phone with a pop-up camera was fragile.
I am currently using a OnePlus 7 Pro with Android 15 (using custom ROM) and just replaced the battery after 5 years the phone is actually still really usable, didn't find a better phone since then. And would definitely keep it another 5 year at least and only change is I REALLY NEED to.
I honestly wonder, how no company has had the Idea to just put a small display on the back of the phone for Selfies with the main camera, abolishing the need of a front camera. Kind of the same principle as on the fold phones, but for normal phone
Yeeah, there's already been a solution to that but better. Asus Zenfone 8 Flip, it released the same time as pop up selfie cameras came out but that phone flips the Main cameras to the front so you can use those for selfies with the added benefit of using whole phone screen instead of adding a small one at the back. Trust me what you're suggesting is not as usable as you think, in most cases selfies are a YARD away(arm/s fully extended) you'll be squinting your eyes every time you try to look at that small screen, i.e. Z Fold 4 & 5, Xiaomi Mi 11 Ultra.
Nonsense because that's essentially an extra screen and an extra worry.
Also taking up space for your back camera.
@@xirruz If you're squinting your eyes when looking at something an arm away, you need to get glasses lmao.
@@aquaponieee that screen would be too tiny *chinese man staring at paper meme here*
@@tegathemenace I know that, but I would imagine that companies would have tried that Idea anyway. Tech companies try everything no?
Also the thing is the OnePlus 7 pro had been decided to have 5000maH Battery but it got limited to 4000maH because of the pop up cam.I commented this from my OnePlus 7 pro
The 7T Pro has a larger capacity I believe 4500mah but not sure
Not gunna lie, I loved the idea of the pop up camera. While I was never a big selfie person, the novelty of the pop up camera was cool and it did clean up the screen of that obnoxious dot or gash when watching videos.
pop ups are better than the bulky cameras on the back that get easily scratched and also make phones very hard to rest on surfaces easily.
Man I used to own one of these types of phones, it was the Xiaomi Mi 9T and it really felt like the future back then.
Bought it in 2019 and gave it to a friend after 2 years, he still has it and the pop-up camera never broke down.
Used my OnePlus 7 Pro for 4 years and never had an issue with the pop up camera... Even 5 years after purchase it still works
So many things I disagree with this video.
The mechanism is pretty compact, resilient and isn't that complicated. It's just an actuator attached to a camera. Most of the damage happens with dumb users either manually trying to operate the popup or forgot about it and hit it somewhere. Water resistance can simply be solved by adding a rubber flap like they did with sim and sd trays.
The main reason it fell off is punchole displays are easy to make and is a cheaper solution.
Rip 7(t)pro and 9t pro, the goat on popups
I like how companies keep making excuses for why they ditched pop up cameras while those issues are present and even worse in folding screen phones.
As someone who NEVER use selfie camera, im pretty sad pop up phones are gone.
I was so ready to skip the sponsored part until I read the top right corner message
There would be other solutions for people who dislike notches and punchholes:
1. Release Smartphones with very small top and bottom bezel like the Sony Xperia 1 VI. (also good for front facing speakers and notification LED, which Sony sadly removed)
2. Implement a display on the backside and remove front facing camera. (bad for live streamers etc. but good for people who rarely use the front camera)
3. Implement a small hole/storage compartment in the smartphone were you can put a external USB C camera. (Could compromise water and dust resistance of the phone.)
i hate weird screen shapes because im a game developer, i have to account for different types and what aspect ratio the phone is. while on desktop and console its much more simple, rectangle. sure you can add a safe area but it just flows weird sometimes
I have the Oppo Reno x10 zoom with me for 4 years now, and while it's starting to show it's age in terms of other areas (battery, camera, buggy software), the pop up camera actually still works amazing. Sometimes people are surprised by the pop up camera and it's like a "gotcha" moment for me.
You are such a new channel with high quality. Man i hope you grow fast. Amazing video
dad still has his huawei y9s prime from like 2018/2019, with a popup selfie camera
still works great
Bro just uploaded 5 vids and they were so good people made him so famous no other You tuber can answer the questions simply and easily than you
I keep using a Xiaomi 9T (also known as Redmi K20) for nearly 5 years now. The whole concept of pop-up cams was just ahead of it's time.
I hope they come back again. Camera tech nowadays is brilliant.
man i remember i wanted to make a video about this a couple months ago, you've definitely made it better than i ever could have had
Just like pop-up headlamp on cars, they was gone too soon. 😢
OPPO find X first generation had the best design. Period.
what happened to pop up cameras? well i'm still using it.
The less moving parts on a phone the better.
Pop up camera is the best solution for full screen experience, maybe manufacturer can add mechanism for manually pop up the camera in case automatic system failure, or just completely throw the automatic system, just let user control it,
For water resistant issue I think if the technology survive till this day we already get one,
my friends A80 camera module was still solid 3yrs later. could say his model was lucky but i think it was just well designed. still looked just as cool & smooth as the first time. we were so close to greatness
Watching this video on my OnePlus 7T Pro. Still haven't upgraded to this day cause none of the phones could peak this design.
this channel is so underrated! keep it up bro.
Definitely loving your channel, dude! I'm a new fan! Keep up the good work and edits, I'm really loving your style!❤
I am still using pop-up camera phone from 2019. Realme X. Still pop-up mechanism working without any issues. It's more than 5 and a half years. This phone is a legend, though it’s gone slow after 5 years. This is the most I have used a phone this long.😅
I have Realme X which I bought in 2019 and till today it still works like a charm .. No problem with the pop up camera. And I love there is no camera hole or notch on the screen
Still going with my OnePlus 7 Pro and would literally never swap it off for anything else.
My Mi 9T is a few days from being 5 years old and is still working just fine. I'm not the biggest fan of the camera since it drew from water resistance and practicality. Though as I don't use it too often it doesn't bother me that much and I'm definitely gonna miss the full edge to edge screen on whatever my next phone will be.
me too using the 5 year old mi 9 t and it work fine, i having a bad time thinking about the new phone because i love the full screen and the privacy of this phone .
I've been using OnePlus phones since 2018, starting with OP5. When I saw the reveal of the 7 Pro I immediately fell in love with its design and I knew that I need it. In late 2020 I actually got one and it was amazing, uninterrupted edge to edge curved screen (that curve was perfect for gesture navigation) with thin bezels. I planned to never change phones until either someone comes out with a new popup design or with an underscreen one, or even one without a selfie camera at all because I hardly ever use it! Problems started when I had to replace the USB port because I broke it by bending the cable too much, resulting in a loss of fast charging, the repair wouldn't be cheap and at the same time I kind of wanted to change the battery as well because I got the phone used and its battery started to show its age a bit. All repair shops wanted me to leave the phone with them for a couple of days which I wasn't able to do because I had a trip to Berlin scheduled in the coming days, I ended up just taking it and my OP5 with me as a backup in case the port fails entirely. And that was a good call, because on a rainy day the phone slipped out of my hand and the screen got obliterated. After a few hours it went completely black with seemingly no signs of life coming out of it, fortunately I managed to back up all of my files in that time. And guess what - when I was still able use the phone for a brief amount of time, I checked if the popup camera still worked after the drop - AND IT DID! I was so sad that I lost the best phone ever made... Surprisingly enough going back to the OP5 didn't feel that bad - even though that phone was already 6 years old it still felt pretty good, but it was clear that the software support was long gone, so I decided to buy something newer on the first good occasion, and I ended up getting an OP 10 Pro - it's almost the exact same size as 7 Pro, even the weight is similar, the screen is still curved although much less than on the 7 Pro so it doesn't feel as good but it's still ok of course, and the screen... has a holepunch camera. It doesn't bother me as much as I thought it would but there are certain apps that still act weird because they have to somehow avoid it, and in brighter content it's painfully obvious. I would love to see OP making another 7 Pro - they would of course never be able to beat it, in my opinion it's the best phone that ever came out, but at least I would be able to enjoy a full screen again. But that won't happen because OP is only a subbrand of Oppo right now, which is just sad to see.
The real reason is Pop-Up cameras were too much privacy for data brokers who rely on facial data and audio feedback. Whenever a website accessed the camera the camera would Pop-Up.😎👍