I've driven a 10-Speed for Schneider National before, but I've never had a 13-Speed. Thank you for demonstrating it for us. Some of us DO appreciate it! ;-)
I showed this to my dad and it was just what he was looking for this has helped him out tremendously thank you for that lesson keep them coming to help those new drivers out there...thanks again
Thank you for posting this video. I have always driven a straight 10 speed. And now I drive for an owner operator who has 13 speed trucks. I watched your video the morning before I got in the truck. But of course it took a couple of days to get used to it, nothing major, just sometimes in the heat of the moment I forget to use splitter. Now I have two months driving over the road with this new truck, and I really like the 13 speed. I drive a reefer from Houston to the Pacific Northwest and back. Thanks again.
Thank you Sir. I've been driving for over 20 years. 12 of those years as an Owner Operator, and this is the very first time I learn to shift a 13-speed. You are a clear comunicator. Muchas Gracias.🤠
So say a steep downgrade and you're warned on signage use low gear. What would you're gear be to maintain 30 to 35 mph loaded and unloaded and some on a 10yard dump truck?
Good job on the video driver. I just rode from CT to New Hampshire with a soon to be new coworker who was driving a 13 speed Kenworth and I sat with him in the cab and you gave a better explanation of how to switch gears than he did. Thank you very much
as a driver mechanic you should point out some important facts while you do pre select your range and splitter you don't want to pre select before your ready to shift as it causes pre mature wear on the shift forks. a good driver will understand what happens inside the transmission when you do something you might not think is a big deal but it can do a lot of damage. the 13 speed is used mainly in the hills under normal driving you do not use the splitter as it waste a lot of fuel.
Pretty straightforward. 5 low gears. Use front selector, 8 high gears, use splitter. No clutch once rolling, unless you are road testing. Just on and off throttle. And don't forget about the 50 plus feet behind you.
You should move the splitter button right before you make the shift. When you move the button it puts a load against the shifter fork so that it will shift as soon as you release the fuel pedal. The earlier you preselect the shift the more wear you are causing in the transmission. Actually, you are supposed to move the shift lever before moving the splitter button when going from 6th high to 7th low, for instance. Check with Eaton, that's what they say.
Fred Mills one of our 9 speeds have a failing synchro from low to high after 504k miles of that. Who knows how it has really been treated before though. That's the only truck I've ever seen/heard doing that.
13 speed is the easiest gear shift I've had to work with. I started 45 years ago on a b61 Mack 21 speed 2 sticker. Thank god of the 13 fuller lol I am now retired from trucking and I can tell you I really miss it. Keep on Trucking Driver.
Thanks for this video, I'm a beginner and this is so far the best video I have found! Every other video confused the hell out of me, now I finally get it!
Thank you for this video, I just started CDL for my Class A last week. While we won't get into the trucks for a few more weeks (20wk program) The more I can go over it in my head with an example like this the better I'll do.
I drove an Autocar in 1968 with a 13 speed only mine was a bit different. It had two four speeds which still gives you 13 gears but lots more shifting. I wish driving schools would teach drivers to not shift the road ranger into low until they're going slow enough to be in low range. If you shift too soon you tear out the back end of the transmission at which time you have to take the truck out of service to rebuild it. That transmission should last as long as the truck if you treat it right. What some maybe most driving schools seem to miss is teaching about the clutch brake. When at a full stop I've seen so many drivers grind gears going into first gear. The reason that happens is they're not pushing the clutch to the floor. The last inch or so of clutch is where the clutch brake works so if you're too short to push it all the way to the floor slide forward until you're in gear. Skip shifting; on a downhill you do not need to hit every gear. There are many variables like how much payload and how steep the grade but I've shifted from 5 to 7 high on a 13 speed when the conditions called for it. Another thing driving schools seem to miss is teaching about drift. I'm not talking about what they do with little cars but how your trailer acts on a curve. One run I used to do had a correction curve just before a small town. It went from a hard left curve to a hard right and at a slow speed the wheels of my 48 foot trailer would be slightly over the center line. At a higher speed the trailer would track closer to the line the tractor took and stay within the lines. I drove from 1964 to 2008 and I've driven everything on wheels so if anyone wants me to share my knowledge I''ll be happy to. Sorry to the gent who posted this for kind of hijacking his post. Stay safe y'all
Found your channel by accident. I've looked and looked for how this is done in a sequential manner. NOW I understand. YOU did a great job of explaining.....appreciate that. Subscribed to your channel. *thumbs-up*
Hey man you are a good teacher. You missed your calling haha. I have driven a 5 speed straight job (Ten pallet) down in Fla, going from Tampa Produce Mkt to Vero and Brooksville etc. But that was yrs ago (1980s) and you explained it so well that I felt like I could really do it. Great job. Wish I was younger, I would try it again.
Jumped in a 13 speed after only driving 10 speeds pulled over watched this video and now I can drive a 13 speed this is the video guys and girls that will get it done ! Thanks OP!!
got it best tutorial I have seen on this. I think the trick is that you were not running the truck which made it easy to hear and understand. Great job!
Good video you explained the shift pattern & what to do clearly. You have 64 thumbs down as I write this & they all must be from old truck drivers that think they can make a better video. I know a lot of Truckers & my best friend is one. I myself as a Diesel Mechanic know how to shift the truck in low to get it in & out to work on it but I don't take them out on the road. I think a regular car driver will find this interesting.
His description of the transmission is wrong. His rpm use is wrong. To me he seems like a guy that hasn't been doing it all that long. It's not about how he did the video, it's about how he described the shifting and he described it wrong.
I take exception to your method of range pre-selection (i.e. selecting the range immediately after shifting to top gear. If you do this and then have to down-shift (slowing of traffic etc,) you will have to remember to RE-select the lower range before down-shifting, or the shift will not sync. Instead, I recommend you pre-select high range just before you reach your shift rpms in top low. This applies to any multi-range transmission.
Been driving 15 yrs.. Always been 10 speed or automatic.. I'm eager to get rolling in this 13 speed.. I've watched several videos yet I saved yours.. I appreciate you giving this tutorial.. I'll let you know how it goes..
How can anyone remember the shift patterns here , confusing, memory and synchronization a skill no doubt .I,ve seen and heard truckers shift through multiple gears , can,t believe how fast they can shift .
This guy is the best it doesn’t seem like he is still making videos but you are the best I brought a 13 speed manual not much experience with manual transmission but this video will definitely helps me a lot thank you so much sir.
Throughout this thread people are screaming NEVER preselect! Calling this guy an idiot! Well that's interesting maybe you guys should tell Eaton Fuller that since it's in every driver manuals to preselect, lol. Here's a link to their 13 speed documents read it for yourself. www.eaton.com/Eaton/ProductsServices/Vehicle/Transmissions/heavy-duty-manual/super-13-transmission/index.htm#tabs-3 Here is a quote from Eaton Fuller Transmission Driver instruction manual TRDR0670 EN-US June 2014: Page 4 Transmission features: (Preselect Note: Always preselect all range and splitter shifts when upshifting or downshifting. Preselection requires that the range lever and/or splitter button are moved to the needed position before starting the shift. Preselected range shifts are completed automatically as the lever is moved through neutral and into the next gear. Preselecting all range shifts prevents damage to the transmission and provides for smoother shifts. Preselected splitter shifts allow smooth and faster shifts. However, do not delay, start and complete the shift immediately after preselecting the splitter to avoid unnecessary wear on internal transmission parts.)
+Russell Turley Well I don't know what part you're reading but it clearly says "do not delay, start and complete the shift immediately after preselecting the splitter to avoid unnecessary wear on internal transmission parts". NOT preselct your 'range' as this muppet calls it, which is actually the splitter, as soon as you change gear like this muppet does!
I'm about to go into a 13 speed Monday. I have driven a 10 speed and automatic, and while I was driving the auto, I kept it in manual mode most of the time. The side splitter reminds me of how I was shifting in the auto. I think I'll be right at home in the 13, looks a combination of a 10 speed and manual mode on the auto. Thanks for the video! Very informative and well explained. Cheers
What most non-truck drivers don't know is the variety of transmissions/gear combinations available. 4 speed split rear (3 - 10 ton dump trucks gas or diesel) 5 speed split rear (same) 8 speed (many plow trucks) 9 speed, 10 speed, super 10, 13 speed, 15 speed, 18 speed. Once you get to 9 speed you are now into dual range transmissions. The 15 is a 10 speed but also has 5 deep reduction gears. Now as far as why the large number of choices? Different gearing for different jobs! To the guy who keeps harping that his bike can out accelerate a truck? Well no duh Dick Tracy! A 700 - 800 lb gasoline engine motorcycle vs a 19,000 - 20,000 lb (without trailer) diesel tractor....really? The bike should likely be around 100 HP so the weight/HP ratio is 8:1. The tractor with let's go with an average 450 HP engine comes out to 44:1. Notwithstanding is that even if you equalled that out you are still dealing with diesel vs gas. Gas engines will win the drag race.....diesels will win the pulling competition...EVERY TIME! Why so many more gears? Mechanical advantage vs weight vs momentum vs traction.
My dad sold trucks. Now, admittedly, I would ride with him when it was only a tractor, but he did similar. I think he either 5L-5H-6H-7H-8H,or 5L-6L-7L-8L-8H. He wouldn't split every gear on the high range.
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Yeah I have automatic on my current truck and it's not smooth at all. My earlier truck had 8 gears if I remember correct, and about skipping, you could (and should) start accelerating (on flat surface) with gear 3 and then gear 5 and normally after that. :) But this is way more complicated.
A previous employer had a truck that would go so far as to use a Jake Brake to drop the RPMs down faster to shift. These trucks shift so choppy, how does the drive line survive?
I was one of those guys who WANTED to drive 10 Speed...period. You stick with whats comfortable and 13 speed was out of the question. I had a job Offer and left the place after I found out it was a 13 speed. The Boss was really nice and it bugged me...that I would do something like that. People drive space shuttles and I couldn't handle a 13 speed?? So I came on TH-cam:) Watched this video and went back and got the job. Honestly...I would never go back to a 10 speed. 13 is so much better. This video helped me so much, so much. Any questions you guys have I would love to answer
I have driven ishift for a month cross the country and now I got another job offer local and more money from Philly to Boston. It is 13 gear and I never drove a truck with manual, except car(stick shift). What would be your advices for me ? Any advice will be appreciated. Thanks
Semih Nurettin YÜKSEL Philly to Boston for more money is great bro. The first time I ever drove stick was in a truck, so it's easy. When you get it...I'm telling you...you'll love it. Watch this video very closely. You can see he starts using the red button when he gets to 5th...start doing that at 6th and work on up on the highway. If you're in the streets don't worry about shifting with the red button just shift whole gears...1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8....When you get to 7,8 you can start with the red button. But that's rare because you'll stop a lot definitely on the east coast. And if you're down shifting...grab whole gears don't worry about the red button.
Very helpful been driving 10 speed that’s what I learned on got into a Kw dump truck 13 speed and got it down a little bit was shifting no problem just didn’t know how to use the splitter
Same here been driving a 10 speed Mack vision now in the k dub 13 speed for five days and still getting the hang of it drive dump too in the Chicago area keep on trucking
Pretty self explanatory. Thank you this helps me out a lot drove 10 speed about to drive 13 tomorrow. If you don't understand after this video maybe 13 speed isn't for you. Low gears 1-4 High gears 5-8 use your auxiliary to shift from low five to high five. 6 low 6 high and so forth. Red nob back towards trailer is low red nob towards nose is high.
It's been almost 7 years since I drove tractor trailers but after watching this it all came back to me! It's just like riding a bike, I could have it down pat within a half hour or so. I rarely used the clutch..just listen and if necessary watch the rpms. I thought I was pretty good at the time, had plenty of practice for sure! Sometimes it's not really necessary to go from 5 high into 5 low then into 6 low to 6 high, get it? But I find you need to keep your speed and rpms up to do it easy. GOOD VIDEO!
You can actually skip splitting all your high gears until 8th and split that one only. Unless pulling a long uphill grade where u can up shift and your loaded heavy. Most of the time drive it like and ordinary 10 speed and split 8th. Love an 18 speed split lower and upper gears. Easy trans to operate!
Thats a great video I drove a 10 speed and I thought a 13 speed would be hard and watching this video makes a lot of sense and you explained it very well. Take care and be safe out there.
+Roshard Watts I drove many 13's and 18's back in the day, but I've been out of the game a long time so please forgive if I remember incorrectly. Did you count 10 speeds by skipping LO in High Range for 9 speeds, then moving the splitter from HI Direct to HI OD on the last gear for 1 more gear, so to speak?
chris scott; So you are saying you can't pull a 48K load with a 10 speed. Millions of truck drivers will call you a liar. A 13 speed is a 10 speed with overdrive on the gears on the high side of the transmission. I have driven 10, 13 and 18 speeds and I only use the overdrive gears when I need to maintain a speed that is between the direct drive gears and when I get to the top gear. For a 45 MPH zone I will use 6H because 6L is to low and I am at the top of the RPM range and 7L is to high. 6H puts the RPMs where they need to be for 45 MPH.
This is the best explanation of how to shift a 13 speed/gear and l assume it is no different from the 18 speed/gear. How to use the splitters this is the best video and thank you.
SemperFido9915 BULLSHIT, everybody says pre selecting that early & floating gears damages the transmission BS, I drove for 27 yrs like that and never had transmission problems
Won't hurt a thing. Preselecting simply puts air psi to the clutch but clutch won't move until shifter is in neutral . Also pre select splitter to avoid unwanted neutral on rear of transmission.
Pretty simple, you shift 4 gears, just like a car! Then you go into high range and do it again! But in high range, you have an overdrive in all of those gears. I call them half gears. And if you aren't pulling a hill, you almost never NEED to split those gears. You will seldom need to use all of those gears. I'm glad this guy ISN'T MY DRIVER! (Probably burns WAY more fuel than he needs too). In an 18 you can split all the low holes. But again you would almost NEVER need to do this, unless your running the mountains on the west coast. This guy seems to think you need, to use all of them! And you don't!
Yea I'm doing the on road course for this currently . I did my first on road lesson yesterday and doing my 2nd of 7 on road lessons tomorrow . I do know how to drive manual already and have lots of 5 ton truck experience but this is a different animal so at first it's definitely a little intimidating but I'm sure I'll pick it up eventually and it will become second nature eventually ...
NEVER EVER preselect on the side splitter. Unlike the front range selector, that one is built for preselecting. The side splitter is NOT. As soon as you slide the side splitter the mechanism is ready to move. Only use the side splitter the moment you are ready to make the split. Never preselect.
just got my learners. and I thank you for posting this video. I'm subscribed. aiming to be rolling with the big dogs soon. just jumping from class 3 tandem units to semi.
According to Eaton fuller you are also supposed to push the clutch in half way when you shift into overdrive from direct as well as letting off the pedal but from overdrive to direct the clutch is not needed.
You mentioned your boys in the Boy Scouts, keep a close safe eye on those scout leaders. They are not always the good guys like you and I had years ago.
Not with the gear sets being arranged the way the are inside the trans to connect the input shaft with the output shaft. Sequential manual trans with a desmodromic selector drum are the solution but it would be a cheap trick to use for anything beyond a motorcycle or race car. Another solution is to use electro-hydraulic actuation to engage the gear set with the output shaft but that requires a mechanical or electronic management system which would make the drivetrain functions a Rube Goldberg machine. So the contemporary system is the easiest way to combine mechanical leverage and torque ratios using a manual lever to drive those gear sets into play.
Great video bud. It's kinda crazy/ cool watching you go through all the shifts explaining it all as you shift through vs watching the tractors on the highway going from a stand still at a red light ripping through gears faster than my own truck with the AT can shift Lol Amazing in a sense. Can't really think of a better way to describe it honestly. Again, great video. Got alot out of it.
Your video was more helpful than the other videos. Thanks man. It had been over 10 years since I've been in one and I could figure our for the life of me what I was doing lol
Jack Caldwell anyone who cant drive a 5x4 should not be in a truck.. move main stick.. split with the aux.. move main to next gear.. restart the split with the aux... EASY!!
Thanks! This will help me big time lol. Just graduated school...Trained on 10gear Volvo's. Now about to head out with my mentor and he has a 13! Thought I was done with grinding :(
Why in the world do they call them "5 low - 5 high", when they could just call them " 5 - 6, 7 - 8"? Seems like they're really over-complicating the matter.
WOW! Thanks so much for posting this educational vid sir. At last I understand what is happening and the next time I drive I will at least have an idea what I am doing and thus will learn in time. Much gratitude to you sir. Marvellous vid!
+143Chippy That's fine if the truck has it but lots of trucks don't and if you want your pick of the jobs it's best to know how to drive a stick like this. Also there's talk of having either an M or and A on your CDL which means if you have an A you can ONLY drive automatics.
+Humphrey R. auto trucks are fine. most will say they only have 6 speed but usually split between hi and lo in gear. you can select gears with an auto for obvious reasons but there is no problem with auto trucks. i know, because i drive one and have driven road rangers for a long time too
Alex Williamson Probably a silly question but Since my school doesn't have any trucks with automatic I have to ask, Do automatics have retarders? I believe that's what Humphrey is asking as well.
I've driven a 10-Speed for Schneider National before, but I've never had a 13-Speed. Thank you for demonstrating it for us. Some of us DO appreciate it! ;-)
I showed this to my dad and it was just what he was looking for this has helped him out tremendously thank you for that lesson keep them coming to help those new drivers out there...thanks again
Thank you for posting this video. I have always driven a straight 10 speed. And now I drive for an owner operator who has 13 speed trucks. I watched your video the morning before I got in the truck. But of course it took a couple of days to get used to it, nothing major, just sometimes in the heat of the moment I forget to use splitter. Now I have two months driving over the road with this new truck, and I really like the 13 speed. I drive a reefer from Houston to the Pacific Northwest and back. Thanks again.
Thank you Sir.
I've been driving for over 20 years. 12 of those years as an Owner Operator, and this is the very first time I learn to shift a 13-speed. You are a clear comunicator. Muchas Gracias.🤠
So say a steep downgrade and you're warned on signage use low gear. What would you're gear be to maintain 30 to 35 mph loaded and unloaded and some on a 10yard dump truck?
Obviously in low range 5 below I'm sure
Good job on the video driver. I just rode from CT to New Hampshire with a soon to be new coworker who was driving a 13 speed Kenworth and I sat with him in the cab and you gave a better explanation of how to switch gears than he did. Thank you very much
I watched the video on the 10 speed and know the 13 speed
You are the only one that makes sense. Thank you
as a driver mechanic you should point out some important facts while you do pre select your range and splitter you don't want to pre select before your ready to shift as it causes pre mature wear on the shift forks. a good driver will understand what happens inside the transmission when you do something you might not think is a big deal but it can do a lot of damage. the 13 speed is used mainly in the hills under normal driving you do not use the splitter as it waste a lot of fuel.
Pretty straightforward. 5 low gears. Use front selector, 8 high gears, use splitter. No clutch once rolling, unless you are road testing. Just on and off throttle. And don't forget about the 50 plus feet behind you.
You should move the splitter button right before you make the shift. When you move the button it puts a load against the shifter fork so that it will shift as soon as you release the fuel pedal. The earlier you preselect the shift the more wear you are causing in the transmission. Actually, you are supposed to move the shift lever before moving the splitter button when going from 6th high to 7th low, for instance. Check with Eaton, that's what they say.
Fred Mills one of our 9 speeds have a failing synchro from low to high after 504k miles of that. Who knows how it has really been treated before though. That's the only truck I've ever seen/heard doing that.
Can confirm, watched this video two days ago now I'm rollin' like a big dawg.
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sure hope so. I'm so lost man. Geez.
Thank you buddy! - you explain it very well (by the way, don't mind the comments about the "it's a diesel not gas" - we all know what you mean) :)
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13 speed is the easiest gear shift I've had to work with. I started 45 years ago on a b61 Mack 21 speed 2 sticker. Thank god of the 13 fuller lol I am now retired from trucking and I can tell you I really miss it. Keep on Trucking Driver.
Thanks for this video, I'm a beginner and this is so far the best video I have found! Every other video confused the hell out of me, now I finally get it!
Thank you for this video, I just started CDL for my Class A last week. While we won't get into the trucks for a few more weeks (20wk program) The more I can go over it in my head with an example like this the better I'll do.
I drove an Autocar in 1968 with a 13 speed only mine was a bit different. It had two four speeds which still gives you 13 gears but lots more shifting.
I wish driving schools would teach drivers to not shift the road ranger into low until they're going slow enough to be in low range. If you shift too soon you tear out the back end of the transmission at which time you have to take the truck out of service to rebuild it. That transmission should last as long as the truck if you treat it right.
What some maybe most driving schools seem to miss is teaching about the clutch brake. When at a full stop I've seen so many drivers grind gears going into first gear. The reason that happens is they're not pushing the clutch to the floor. The last inch or so of clutch is where the clutch brake works so if you're too short to push it all the way to the floor slide forward until you're in gear.
Skip shifting; on a downhill you do not need to hit every gear. There are many variables like how much payload and how steep the grade but I've shifted from 5 to 7 high on a 13 speed when the conditions called for it.
Another thing driving schools seem to miss is teaching about drift. I'm not talking about what they do with little cars but how your trailer acts on a curve. One run I used to do had a correction curve just before a small town. It went from a hard left curve to a hard right and at a slow speed the wheels of my 48 foot trailer would be slightly over the center line. At a higher speed the trailer would track closer to the line the tractor took and stay within the lines.
I drove from 1964 to 2008 and I've driven everything on wheels so if anyone wants me to share my knowledge I''ll be happy to.
Sorry to the gent who posted this for kind of hijacking his post.
Stay safe y'all
Would love to have more knowledge in what I'm doing lol if you wouldn't mind knowing so much more than what i Know
Respect elder.
Out of all the TH-cam videos on shifting 13 speed you are the best to explain. I watched it about 2 years ago and again today.
Best how to shift a 13 speed on TH-cam!!! 👌🏽
Agreed.
It's 2024 and I want to thank you for your articulate explanation. This video has helped me the most out of every one I've watched
I understand it but I'm more of a hands on learner but I learned a lot from this video
Found your channel by accident. I've looked and looked for how this is done in a sequential manner. NOW I understand. YOU did a great job of explaining.....appreciate that. Subscribed to your channel. *thumbs-up*
I subbed for his acknowledgement of "It's just that simple" over and over again on the ten speed vid. LOL
Hey man you are a good teacher. You missed your calling haha. I have driven a 5 speed straight job (Ten pallet) down in Fla, going from Tampa Produce Mkt to Vero and Brooksville etc. But that was yrs ago (1980s) and you explained it so well that I felt like I could really do it. Great job. Wish I was younger, I would try it again.
thanks for teaching me how to drive a 13 speed! im putting the same transmission in my honda civic
I can only imagine
The transmission itself is larger than your Civic's trans and engine all together lol
ProX TheDox hahahahaha
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ProX TheDox lol get some serious gas mileage
Jumped in a 13 speed after only driving 10 speeds pulled over watched this video and now I can drive a 13 speed this is the video guys and girls that will get it done ! Thanks OP!!
thank you for your video brother it helped me out big time God Bless you
At 18 years old I learned from your video on a 10 speed. 19 years now and I'm watching your vid for the 13 speed:) thnx
That's quite simple. Great explanation.
got it best tutorial I have seen on this. I think the trick is that you were not running the truck which made it easy to hear and understand. Great job!
WOW is that ever complicated! I thought it was basically like my 5-speed car but with more gears :D
I have been asking people for years about this they never tell me where i would get it. You should did man thank you
Good video you explained the shift pattern & what to do clearly. You have 64 thumbs down as I write this & they all must be from old truck drivers that think they can make a better video. I know a lot of Truckers & my best friend is one. I myself as a Diesel Mechanic know how to shift the truck in low to get it in & out to work on it but I don't take them out on the road. I think a regular car driver will find this interesting.
only real problem i see with his video is he keeps calling it a gas pedal. no gas in a diesel truck. proper training term is throttle.
lol yeah he does you'd have to talking to people that only know cars I guess.
His description of the transmission is wrong. His rpm use is wrong. To me he seems like a guy that hasn't been doing it all that long. It's not about how he did the video, it's about how he described the shifting and he described it wrong.
knightwing4 You think you can do better you go a head and make on how to shift a 13 speed I think he did a good job on the video.
very helpful! thanks! I just passed my written exam today and I was looking for some tips for the driving exam! thanks again!
I take exception to your method of range pre-selection (i.e. selecting the range immediately after shifting to top gear. If you do this and then have to down-shift (slowing of traffic etc,) you will have to remember to RE-select the lower range before down-shifting, or the shift will not sync. Instead, I recommend you pre-select high range just before you reach your shift rpms in top low. This applies to any multi-range transmission.
hell yeah. its all about finding a way to do less work. max out on the low gears then go to hi is what i was taught
This is the only video that I watched that didn't confuse the heck out of me. Thank you, sir.
You must be work one of the good trucking school
I like it
Been driving 15 yrs.. Always been 10 speed or automatic.. I'm eager to get rolling in this 13 speed.. I've watched several videos yet I saved yours.. I appreciate you giving this tutorial.. I'll let you know how it goes..
How can anyone remember the shift patterns here , confusing, memory and synchronization a skill no doubt .I,ve seen and heard truckers shift through multiple gears , can,t believe how fast they can shift .
It's not a big deal beleave me, it takes 2 or 3 days of practice. Specialty if you a local driver
This guy is the best it doesn’t seem like he is still making videos but you are the best I brought a 13 speed manual not much experience with manual transmission but this video will definitely helps me a lot thank you so much sir.
Throughout this thread people are screaming NEVER preselect! Calling this guy an idiot! Well that's interesting maybe you guys should tell Eaton Fuller that since it's in every driver manuals to preselect, lol. Here's a link to their 13 speed documents read it for yourself.
www.eaton.com/Eaton/ProductsServices/Vehicle/Transmissions/heavy-duty-manual/super-13-transmission/index.htm#tabs-3
Here is a quote from Eaton Fuller Transmission Driver instruction manual TRDR0670 EN-US June 2014:
Page 4 Transmission features:
(Preselect Note: Always preselect all range and splitter shifts when upshifting or downshifting. Preselection requires that the range lever and/or splitter button are moved to the needed position before starting the shift.
Preselected range shifts are completed automatically as the lever is moved
through neutral and into the next gear. Preselecting all range shifts prevents
damage to the transmission and provides for smoother shifts.
Preselected splitter shifts allow smooth and faster shifts. However, do not
delay, start and complete the shift immediately after preselecting the splitter to
avoid unnecessary wear on internal transmission parts.)
+Russell Turley read page 14 NO.5
+Russell Turley Well I don't know what part you're reading but it clearly says "do not delay, start and complete the shift immediately after preselecting the splitter to avoid unnecessary wear on internal transmission parts". NOT preselct your 'range' as this muppet calls it, which is actually the splitter, as soon as you change gear like this muppet does!
I'm about to go into a 13 speed Monday. I have driven a 10 speed and automatic, and while I was driving the auto, I kept it in manual mode most of the time.
The side splitter reminds me of how I was shifting in the auto. I think I'll be right at home in the 13, looks a combination of a 10 speed and manual mode on the auto.
Thanks for the video! Very informative and well explained. Cheers
What most non-truck drivers don't know is the variety of transmissions/gear combinations available. 4 speed split rear (3 - 10 ton dump trucks gas or diesel) 5 speed split rear (same) 8 speed (many plow trucks) 9 speed, 10 speed, super 10, 13 speed, 15 speed, 18 speed. Once you get to 9 speed you are now into dual range transmissions. The 15 is a 10 speed but also has 5 deep reduction gears. Now as far as why the large number of choices? Different gearing for different jobs! To the guy who keeps harping that his bike can out accelerate a truck? Well no duh Dick Tracy! A 700 - 800 lb gasoline engine motorcycle vs a 19,000 - 20,000 lb (without trailer) diesel tractor....really? The bike should likely be around 100 HP so the weight/HP ratio is 8:1. The tractor with let's go with an average 450 HP engine comes out to 44:1. Notwithstanding is that even if you equalled that out you are still dealing with diesel vs gas. Gas engines will win the drag race.....diesels will win the pulling competition...EVERY TIME! Why so many more gears? Mechanical advantage vs weight vs momentum vs traction.
Wow you really simplified this for me! When I first looked at 13 speeds I was lost! A lot more simple then I thought!
When I hit 5 and go 5 high, I just upshift in high all the to 8, if I need higher rpms I’ll shift low in higher gears
My dad sold trucks. Now, admittedly, I would ride with him when it was only a tractor, but he did similar. I think he either 5L-5H-6H-7H-8H,or 5L-6L-7L-8L-8H. He wouldn't split every gear on the high range.
You have the best video for teaching shifting different trans on the internet, my opinion sir!!!
Helps alot when you are coming back into it.... Highly appreciate both your videos!!!
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Gad dam. That's a lot to think about for just shifting gears....!
after a while, you would actually go through gears without thinking about it
Also after awhile you know what gears you can skip.
After enough mileage, you will probably be shifting smoother than some of the automatics in trucks.
Yeah I have automatic on my current truck and it's not smooth at all. My earlier truck had 8 gears if I remember correct, and about skipping, you could (and should) start accelerating (on flat surface) with gear 3 and then gear 5 and normally after that. :) But this is way more complicated.
A previous employer had a truck that would go so far as to use a Jake Brake to drop the RPMs down faster to shift. These trucks shift so choppy, how does the drive line survive?
One of the best video for beginners. It helped me to clear all my doubts. Thanks for making this video.
CRAZY GLUE FOR THAT COVER SIR!
I was one of those guys who WANTED to drive 10 Speed...period.
You stick with whats comfortable and 13 speed was out of the question.
I had a job Offer and left the place after I found out it was a 13 speed.
The Boss was really nice and it bugged me...that I would do something like that.
People drive space shuttles and I couldn't handle a 13 speed??
So I came on TH-cam:) Watched this video and went back and got the job. Honestly...I would never go back to a 10 speed. 13 is so much better.
This video helped me so much, so much.
Any questions you guys have I would love to answer
I have driven ishift for a month cross the country and now I got another job offer local and more money from Philly to Boston. It is 13 gear and I never drove a truck with manual, except car(stick shift). What would be your advices for me ? Any advice will be appreciated. Thanks
Semih Nurettin YÜKSEL Philly to Boston for more money is great bro.
The first time I ever drove stick was in a truck, so it's easy.
When you get it...I'm telling you...you'll love it. Watch this video very closely.
You can see he starts using the red button when he gets to 5th...start doing that at 6th and work on up on the highway.
If you're in the streets don't worry about shifting with the red button just shift whole gears...1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8....When you get to 7,8 you can start with the red button. But that's rare because you'll stop a lot definitely on the east coast.
And if you're down shifting...grab whole gears don't worry about the red button.
awww shitttd!!!!! escaping the cops and teaching you how to double-clutch
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Very helpful been driving 10 speed that’s what I learned on got into a Kw dump truck 13 speed and got it down a little bit was shifting no problem just didn’t know how to use the splitter
Same here been driving a 10 speed Mack vision now in the k dub 13 speed for five days and still getting the hang of it drive dump too in the Chicago area keep on trucking
i came here for one video only and it’s not here
my life is a lie
Dude same... I was hoping to find the cop chase video
Pretty self explanatory. Thank you this helps me out a lot drove 10 speed about to drive 13 tomorrow. If you don't understand after this video maybe 13 speed isn't for you.
Low gears 1-4
High gears 5-8 use your auxiliary to shift from low five to high five. 6 low 6 high and so forth.
Red nob back towards trailer is low red nob towards nose is high.
Somebody really needs to invent paddle shifting for semi's.
Automatics have a manual setting.. Same thing
MrGAPerry They have super 10's.
Steering wheels are 18”, so it’s not possible
It's been almost 7 years since I drove tractor trailers but after watching this it all came back to me! It's just like riding a bike, I could have it down pat within a half hour or so. I rarely used the clutch..just listen and if necessary watch the rpms. I thought I was pretty good at the time, had plenty of practice for sure! Sometimes it's not really necessary to go from 5 high into 5 low then into 6 low to 6 high, get it? But I find you need to keep your speed and rpms up to do it easy. GOOD VIDEO!
You can actually skip splitting all your high gears until 8th and split that one only. Unless pulling a long uphill grade where u can up shift and your loaded heavy. Most of the time drive it like and ordinary 10 speed and split 8th. Love an 18 speed split lower and upper gears. Easy trans to operate!
Lmao 12 gear then split not 8 that button don't jump gears omg
Thats a great video I drove a 10 speed and I thought a 13 speed would be hard and watching this video makes a lot of sense and you explained it very well. Take care and be safe out there.
Think I will stick with a Volvo but that's just me..I am sure your video will some..Hope you are still enjoying your local job...
Great vid....I was driving my 13 speed today and this helps bring to light the mistakes that I made downshifting. Great vid.
you don't have to split a 13 you can drive it like straight 10 just split the last gear
+Roshard Watts I drove many 13's and 18's back in the day, but I've been out of the game a long time so please forgive if I remember incorrectly. Did you count 10 speeds by skipping LO in High Range for 9 speeds, then moving the splitter from HI Direct to HI OD on the last gear for 1 more gear, so to speak?
+DonnieBass66 yes
If your empty,,,yes you can,,,,but would not recommend doing it with 48,000
chris scott; So you are saying you can't pull a 48K load with a 10 speed. Millions of truck drivers will call you a liar. A 13 speed is a 10 speed with overdrive on the gears on the high side of the transmission. I have driven 10, 13 and 18 speeds and I only use the overdrive gears when I need to maintain a speed that is between the direct drive gears and when I get to the top gear. For a 45 MPH zone I will use 6H because 6L is to low and I am at the top of the RPM range and 7L is to high. 6H puts the RPMs where they need to be for 45 MPH.
rond361 no, he said not to skip gears with the 13 speed. using the 13 speed without the split gears is the same thing as skipping gears.
This is the best explanation of how to shift a 13 speed/gear and l assume it is no different from the 18 speed/gear. How to use the splitters this is the best video and thank you.
Ain't nothing to it. Normally that spilt start to freak people out. But if you can shift a ten you can shift a 13
Freaked me out i thought 10 speed was complicated. Now its like man i hope i get lucky and have a patient mentor
i want to thank you for the refresment i drove many 10 speeds but the last time i touched a 13 gears was 1989. you are great man!
M'kay Mr. Mackey.
+John A I laughed out loud...m'kay
lmao
Drugs are bad........M'kay
+John A Be nice! This guy is trying to help out. Don't ridicule him...
M'kay, M'kay.
Very good tutorial my man....makes a lot of sense when you can see you actually doing it.
Pre-selecting your gears shortens the life of the transmission. You don't pre-select until just before you're about to shift.
SemperFido9915 exactly
SemperFido9915
BULLSHIT, everybody says pre selecting that early & floating gears damages the transmission BS, I drove for 27 yrs like that and never had transmission problems
Won't hurt a thing. Preselecting simply puts air psi to the clutch but clutch won't move until shifter is in neutral . Also pre select splitter to avoid unwanted neutral on rear of transmission.
Bullshit. Never have I hurt a transmission or clutch/pressure plate.
BS!
Wow! The best video out there! Thank you!
😤 you lost me completely and this is my 5th time watching this 😤
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Kelsie Littles that's my name wear it out
I heard they need Uber drivers...LOL.
Pretty simple, you shift 4 gears, just like a car! Then you go into high range and do it again! But in high range, you have an overdrive in all of those gears. I call them half gears. And if you aren't pulling a hill, you almost never NEED to split those gears. You will seldom need to use all of those gears. I'm glad this guy ISN'T MY DRIVER! (Probably burns WAY more fuel than he needs too).
In an 18 you can split all the low holes. But again you would almost NEVER need to do this, unless your running the mountains on the west coast. This guy seems to think you need, to use all of them! And you don't!
Ghost ya mind making us a video? :)
Thank you so much best video I've watched on TH-cam on 13 speed and I start my new job driving a 13 speed in 2 days :)
So simple yet so complicated lol
Yea I'm doing the on road course for this currently . I did my first on road lesson yesterday and doing my 2nd of 7 on road lessons tomorrow . I do know how to drive manual already and have lots of 5 ton truck experience but this is a different animal so at first it's definitely a little intimidating but I'm sure I'll pick it up eventually and it will become second nature eventually ...
Thanks for showing. I'm about to get into a 13 speed and a lil intemediated.. but you showed me how easy it is.. thanks driver.
NEVER EVER preselect on the side splitter. Unlike the front range selector, that one is built for preselecting. The side splitter is NOT. As soon as you slide the side splitter the mechanism is ready to move. Only use the side splitter the moment you are ready to make the split. Never preselect.
I learned the way you just described. Preselect range but not splits.
just got my learners. and I thank you for posting this video. I'm subscribed. aiming to be rolling with the big dogs soon. just jumping from class 3 tandem units to semi.
This video is so confusing that it made me to forget what I know in the beginning
You are the best, I just upgraded my truck to a 13 spd, and I really appreciate your instruction. Thank you for posting this.
Mkay Mr Mackey mmkay!!!...Sorry, I couldnt help myself.
According to Eaton fuller you are also supposed to push the clutch in half way when you shift into overdrive from direct as well as letting off the pedal but from overdrive to direct the clutch is not needed.
i love super 10
Bitch super 10 breaks in a second normal ten is better or an 18
Thanks for the refresh, been in a 10 speed for a while and just about forgotten how 13 speed shifting went.
You mentioned your boys in the Boy Scouts, keep a close safe eye on those scout leaders. They are not always the good guys like you and I had years ago.
I have watched for tens of clips about truck shifting and this is the first video that I finally understand how it works
What happens to running from cops and teaching you how to double clutch 😂😂😂😂
This video has made me understand how to downshift. So clear and to the point.
Many thanks.
Man that looks so freakin complicated !
Just practice driving it in Pennsylvania or west Virginia and you'll figure it out real fast, promise!
doobyboy21 You get use to it.
@@johngreenwood8005 hopefully hes use to it now ..his comment was from 6 years ago lol
awesome video! just got my class A license and I'm going to be driving these transmissions very well explained thanks!
I will stick to my 5 speed and on a lazy day my automatic great video though but my ADHD ass would be Fucked big time
Excelent explanation, you are a great teacher, very smart thanks. I dive a 10, start driving a 13 in 5 days, this gave me the info I needed GBY.
I just drive a school bus....I get paid sitting at red lights.....
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You should also add how low your pay is driving that school bus waiting at red lights. Lol
Mark Jones prob. 9.50/hr
Lol
trevor taylor dealing with kids no way
Thank you for this video. You really tried to make it comprehensible.
Seriously... no one can engineer a simpler shifting system than this?
Not with the gear sets being arranged the way the are inside the trans to connect the input shaft with the output shaft. Sequential manual trans with a desmodromic selector drum are the solution but it would be a cheap trick to use for anything beyond a motorcycle or race car. Another solution is to use electro-hydraulic actuation to engage the gear set with the output shaft but that requires a mechanical or electronic management system which would make the drivetrain functions a Rube Goldberg machine. So the contemporary system is the easiest way to combine mechanical leverage and torque ratios using a manual lever to drive those gear sets into play.
Nice to see how far techniques that were once used to apply torque in a windmill can get you.
thats a damn mouthful of shit i would never say LOL... but i get it
You would end up with a fast and furious transmission
Geronimo122 it sounds complicated but when you learn its as easy as shifting a car
this video has been posted 11 years ago to help me today,thank you sir!!
I'm so confused watching this video I started passing gas.
Great video bud. It's kinda crazy/ cool watching you go through all the shifts explaining it all as you shift through vs watching the tractors on the highway going from a stand still at a red light ripping through gears faster than my own truck with the AT can shift Lol Amazing in a sense. Can't really think of a better way to describe it honestly. Again, great video. Got alot out of it.
Only 13 gears and you still call yourself a man??
KastaRules 😂😂😂😂
Your video was more helpful than the other videos. Thanks man. It had been over 10 years since I've been in one and I could figure our for the life of me what I was doing lol
Hell now show them a 15 speed or better yet a 5x4 with a 2 speed rear ends !!!! Lol
There are three stick trucks does that make ur twin stick cute?... @mx420kid
Jack Caldwell anyone who cant drive a 5x4 should not be in a truck.. move main stick.. split with the aux.. move main to next gear.. restart the split with the aux... EASY!!
Is what year describing a brownie box? Didn't Macks also have a triple rear end?
10 4 thanx driver
Chet's Jug Spot on! Unless you get a Real old Mack That had the Aux to the right, I Think The early production B model macks had them.
Thanks! This will help me big time lol. Just graduated school...Trained on 10gear Volvo's. Now about to head out with my mentor and he has a 13! Thought I was done with grinding :(
Why in the world do they call them "5 low - 5 high", when they could just call them " 5 - 6, 7 - 8"? Seems like they're really over-complicating the matter.
Angel Bowfinger because its splitting those gears
Because you don't actually move the shift lever.
WOW! Thanks so much for posting this educational vid sir. At last I understand what is happening and the next time I drive I will at least have an idea what I am doing and thus will learn in time. Much gratitude to you sir. Marvellous vid!
This is crazy.. How about automatic ? LOL
+143Chippy That's fine if the truck has it but lots of trucks don't and if you want your pick of the jobs it's best to know how to drive a stick like this. Also there's talk of having either an M or and A on your CDL which means if you have an A you can ONLY drive automatics.
An automatic truck, is the works idea ever
+Humphrey R. auto trucks are fine. most will say they only have 6 speed but usually split between hi and lo in gear. you can select gears with an auto for obvious reasons but there is no problem with auto trucks. i know, because i drive one and have driven road rangers for a long time too
+Alex “rizLLL” Williamson what about a decline? with a manual there is a maximum speed of lets say 35 mph, an automatic will just keep going
Alex Williamson Probably a silly question but Since my school doesn't have any trucks with automatic I have to ask, Do automatics have retarders? I believe that's what Humphrey is asking as well.
So far the best video on how to shift a 13, thanks for making it simple.