I've been flying me tri on an Auto Tune tune for 6 months and it seemed..ok. Yesterday I used acro mode for the first time and it showed that the tune was in fact pretty poor. This vid is great! I've seen numerous vids on PID tuning but this is methodical and clear. Cheers for taking the time, Dave :) I'm off to have a go now....
Yup, info is in the wiki, just set a dial on your tx to operate channel6, make sure you calibrate it with the other channels when you first set everything up. Then in MP you can assign all sorts of tuning params to channel 6 and specify the upper and lower limits.
You can tune using a dial on your tx, set that dial up as channel 6, then in mission planner choose which parameter you want to tune, and the limits. Yes you can do this in flight, this is the best way to fine tune once you are flying well.
"You can tune using a dial on your tx, set that dial up as channel 6, then in mission planner choose which parameter you want to tune, and the limits."
Hi Dave, Great guide, happy with starting on 'D' then moving to 'P' - but then we come to 'I' and the video really doesn't cover that well,. is there a further video / notes that tell me how best to set up 'I'? I previously had a kk2 board and setting 'I' generally involved flying in non-stabilised mode and checking it held an angle, would love for you to make a quicky video covering a good method of setting 'I' Thanks for videos so far! Very useful :) D
Great video. I have just built my first quad with Arducopter and during my first flight discovered fast diagonal oscillation issues; which I'm presuming are PID related. I am not looking forward to fixing it. Your model looks and sounds like it wants to break free in order to rearrange your face.
Thanks for the awesome tutorial. One quick question I have is; when you are changing the rate_p, rate_i, rate_d, are you changing the PID values of the rate_roll/rate_pitch? or PID values on the angular rate control? or are they both the same thing? thx!!
my quad doesnt leave ground straight up like many in the world and it drifts to the right. i didnt ESC calib many times. any idea what should i look into to fix this? there is no vibration or trembling during flight, its smooth
I didn't know PID was something you did on the radio. I thought it was adjustments to the controller. It's not clear to me what knob(s) are being used, so the video isn't repeatable by me, but I like the suspension frame! I could make one easily and it would make a lot of quad work easier. Maybe I'll even put it on a pivot so I can spin my quads upside down and work on them.
In mission planner simply set which parameter you want to tune to channel 6, ensuring channel 6 on your radio is a dial. You can then tune within the limits you set in MP. Simples!
Of course, how that happens depends on what version of Mission Planner you're using. The options, screens and parameters seem to change almost nightly! Makes documenting any process pretty much impossible. For example, we used to be able to set RTL as a separate channel, and simple mode as another. Now those options are gone, and they have to be crammed into the six limit. Gone also is the option to send firmware to the 3DR radio. Makes me wonder if the people writing it actually use it.
Francesco Bertelli ik this is 4 years later and probably won’t apply or you already know but yeah. Weight is important. When I tuned my quad I had the batteries that I would always use and a GoPro case full of rocks to mimic the weight. I later switched to larger batteries and had to re tune
How did you get the pid onto the dial?? Just bought the apm2.5 kit and thought you could only change it in mission planner? My frame is similar to yours but its the hobbyking version.
hi all ,i have a large quad copter (motor:T-motor u10 ,ESC :flame 90 A ,prop: 28*9.2)(APM3.1.5),and i try to do a manual tune ,i started a with rate p until i have a large bouncing ,i decrease it down ,then i increase the D rate from(0-0.5) ,but i didn't have a small bouncing 10% , does is it effect to have a perfect tune
Is your I rate really 0.654, or 0.0654? The default is 0.1. I have always tuned previous copters (KK2 board) by flying them. However, this APM2.5 I think I'll try lashing it down as you have done.
Noob question sry. This is for "rate roll" yes? Do I need to do the same thing for rate pitch and yaw too? I take it I would need to move the string line depending on the axis.
they are linked by default so if your quad is symmetrical you can do both at once. If you want to do each one seperately then yes, you'd have to untie it and do it from the other angle
+Jan Ropek Yes as long as the weight is distributed evenly across your airframe. If you have more weight upfront and outback you will find that you need to tune P up higher in pitch, and therefore D and I pitch will be different too. it's better to have them all the same if you are flying like a nutter, as it will perform the same in all axes, but if say you are crop spraying with arms out of the side you would have to tune roll higher to compensate for the extra reaction required to move the extra weight at the same speed in the other axis.
I've been flying me tri on an Auto Tune tune for 6 months and it seemed..ok. Yesterday I used acro mode for the first time and it showed that the tune was in fact pretty poor. This vid is great! I've seen numerous vids on PID tuning but this is methodical and clear. Cheers for taking the time, Dave :) I'm off to have a go now....
Many many thanks for making PID tuning alot easier to get our heads around!
Yup, info is in the wiki, just set a dial on your tx to operate channel6, make sure you calibrate it with the other channels when you first set everything up. Then in MP you can assign all sorts of tuning params to channel 6 and specify the upper and lower limits.
You can tune using a dial on your tx, set that dial up as channel 6, then in mission planner choose which parameter you want to tune, and the limits.
Yes you can do this in flight, this is the best way to fine tune once you are flying well.
"You can tune using a dial on your tx, set that dial up as channel 6, then in mission planner choose which parameter you want to tune, and the limits."
Looks & sounds like a fly caught in a spider web. Pretty cool setup though.
its from quadframe, I have 4 sets now , they are simply very good indeed!
Awesome video! Thanks a ton. Now I need to make a Jig like you have :D
Hi Dave,
Great guide, happy with starting on 'D' then moving to 'P' - but then we come to 'I' and the video really doesn't cover that well,. is there a further video / notes that tell me how best to set up 'I'?
I previously had a kk2 board and setting 'I' generally involved flying in non-stabilised mode and checking it held an angle, would love for you to make a quicky video covering a good method of setting 'I'
Thanks for videos so far! Very useful :)
D
Great video.
I have just built my first quad with Arducopter and during my first flight discovered fast diagonal oscillation issues; which I'm presuming are PID related. I am not looking forward to fixing it. Your model looks and sounds like it wants to break free in order to rearrange your face.
Thanks for the awesome tutorial. One quick question I have is; when you are changing the rate_p, rate_i, rate_d, are you changing the PID values of the rate_roll/rate_pitch? or PID values on the angular rate control? or are they both the same thing? thx!!
Hi Dave,first of all thanks for the Video. Do you Tune in Acro or Stab mode?
my quad doesnt leave ground straight up like many in the world and it drifts to the right. i didnt ESC calib many times. any idea what should i look into to fix this? there is no vibration or trembling during flight, its smooth
i'm using stab mode but with stab_P at zero. You can do this or use acro mode and take the acro trainer off
I didn't know PID was something you did on the radio. I thought it was adjustments to the controller. It's not clear to me what knob(s) are being used, so the video isn't repeatable by me, but I like the suspension frame! I could make one easily and it would make a lot of quad work easier. Maybe I'll even put it on a pivot so I can spin my quads upside down and work on them.
In mission planner simply set which parameter you want to tune to channel 6, ensuring channel 6 on your radio is a dial. You can then tune within the limits you set in MP. Simples!
Of course, how that happens depends on what version of Mission Planner you're using. The options, screens and parameters seem to change almost nightly! Makes documenting any process pretty much impossible. For example, we used to be able to set RTL as a separate channel, and simple mode as another. Now those options are gone, and they have to be crammed into the six limit. Gone also is the option to send firmware to the 3DR radio. Makes me wonder if the people writing it actually use it.
do you need to do this test with the full equipped frame? what i mean is: if i tune it and THEN i add a gopro etc... do i need to re-tune it again?
Francesco Bertelli ik this is 4 years later and probably won’t apply or you already know but yeah. Weight is important.
When I tuned my quad I had the batteries that I would always use and a GoPro case full of rocks to mimic the weight.
I later switched to larger batteries and had to re tune
Yup they are the same thing!
Dave, can you explain about I_MAX. What is IMAX and how to tuning this settings. Or what IMAX you have in this test.. Thank you.
How did you get the pid onto the dial?? Just bought the apm2.5 kit and thought you could only change it in mission planner?
My frame is similar to yours but its the hobbyking version.
hi all ,i have a large quad copter (motor:T-motor u10 ,ESC :flame 90 A
,prop: 28*9.2)(APM3.1.5),and i try to do a manual tune ,i started a
with rate p until i have a large bouncing ,i decrease it down ,then i
increase the D rate from(0-0.5) ,but i didn't have a small bouncing 10% ,
does is it effect to have a perfect tune
Waiting for "next video in-flight demo with crucial 'fine tuning' tips...............
how do you verify the parameter of YAW control ? so far, I didn't have one, but tuning by outdoor fly.
Can this tuning method be applied to all multicopter flight controllers, or is it specifically meant for Arducopter?
where to add these parameters in auropilot extended tuning?
How do you change the values? Can you change them while you are flying?
Man I cannot even get passed a level setting fail! Is the "back" of board top or bottom ie pins up or down/? It is a 2.5.1
But values can be changed while you are flying with bluetooth module, right?
please can you share extended tuning parameter screenshop please?
I cant get the firmware to upload to my apm 2.6. Any suggestions?
Are the arducopter pid settings somehow related to the multiwii? i ask this because your settings are very lower than the default multiwii settings.
Is your I rate really 0.654, or 0.0654? The default is 0.1.
I have always tuned previous copters (KK2 board) by flying them. However, this APM2.5 I think I'll try lashing it down as you have done.
To make the jig i took the top off a glass table :)
what landing gear is that and how do you like it?
I am sure that he changed it in Mission Planner between each test.
What flymode are you used at you tuning?
Noob question sry. This is for "rate roll" yes? Do I need to do the same thing for rate pitch and yaw too? I take it I would need to move the string line depending on the axis.
they are linked by default so if your quad is symmetrical you can do both at once. If you want to do each one seperately then yes, you'd have to untie it and do it from the other angle
Dave C ahh I see thanks.
Dave C H frames are symmetrical right?
As long as your CoG is centralised then yes.
So the value which you add on one side, so the same value you tak off on another side?
+Jan Ropek Yes as long as the weight is distributed evenly across your airframe. If you have more weight upfront and outback you will find that you need to tune P up higher in pitch, and therefore D and I pitch will be different too. it's better to have them all the same if you are flying like a nutter, as it will perform the same in all axes, but if say you are crop spraying with arms out of the side you would have to tune roll higher to compensate for the extra reaction required to move the extra weight at the same speed in the other axis.
What esc are you using?
+Kevin Ross those are f30a or f40a from hobbyking with simonk firmware
Жужжит прям как куча мух.
hello apology video Suvir UN CAN settings of the radio thanks ....
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Quadcopter tuning guide:
1 - Buy a QQ super flight controller for 18$.
2 - Plug it and fly.