my quad doesnt leave ground straight up like many in the world and it drifts to the right. i didnt ESC calib many times. any idea what should i look into to fix this? there is no vibration or trembling during flight, its smooth
hi all ,i have a large quad copter (motor:T-motor u10 ,ESC :flame 90 A ,prop: 28*9.2)(APM3.1.5),and i try to do a manual tune ,i started a with rate p until i have a large bouncing ,i decrease it down ,then i increase the D rate from(0-0.5) ,but i didn't have a small bouncing 10% , does is it effect to have a perfect tune
+Jan Ropek Yes as long as the weight is distributed evenly across your airframe. If you have more weight upfront and outback you will find that you need to tune P up higher in pitch, and therefore D and I pitch will be different too. it's better to have them all the same if you are flying like a nutter, as it will perform the same in all axes, but if say you are crop spraying with arms out of the side you would have to tune roll higher to compensate for the extra reaction required to move the extra weight at the same speed in the other axis.
I've been flying me tri on an Auto Tune tune for 6 months and it seemed..ok. Yesterday I used acro mode for the first time and it showed that the tune was in fact pretty poor. This vid is great! I've seen numerous vids on PID tuning but this is methodical and clear. Cheers for taking the time, Dave :) I'm off to have a go now....
Francesco Bertelli ik this is 4 years later and probably won’t apply or you already know but yeah. Weight is important. When I tuned my quad I had the batteries that I would always use and a GoPro case full of rocks to mimic the weight. I later switched to larger batteries and had to re tune
I didn't know PID was something you did on the radio. I thought it was adjustments to the controller. It's not clear to me what knob(s) are being used, so the video isn't repeatable by me, but I like the suspension frame! I could make one easily and it would make a lot of quad work easier. Maybe I'll even put it on a pivot so I can spin my quads upside down and work on them.
In mission planner simply set which parameter you want to tune to channel 6, ensuring channel 6 on your radio is a dial. You can then tune within the limits you set in MP. Simples!
Of course, how that happens depends on what version of Mission Planner you're using. The options, screens and parameters seem to change almost nightly! Makes documenting any process pretty much impossible. For example, we used to be able to set RTL as a separate channel, and simple mode as another. Now those options are gone, and they have to be crammed into the six limit. Gone also is the option to send firmware to the 3DR radio. Makes me wonder if the people writing it actually use it.
Noob question sry. This is for "rate roll" yes? Do I need to do the same thing for rate pitch and yaw too? I take it I would need to move the string line depending on the axis.
they are linked by default so if your quad is symmetrical you can do both at once. If you want to do each one seperately then yes, you'd have to untie it and do it from the other angle
Great video. I have just built my first quad with Arducopter and during my first flight discovered fast diagonal oscillation issues; which I'm presuming are PID related. I am not looking forward to fixing it. Your model looks and sounds like it wants to break free in order to rearrange your face.
Hi Dave, Great guide, happy with starting on 'D' then moving to 'P' - but then we come to 'I' and the video really doesn't cover that well,. is there a further video / notes that tell me how best to set up 'I'? I previously had a kk2 board and setting 'I' generally involved flying in non-stabilised mode and checking it held an angle, would love for you to make a quicky video covering a good method of setting 'I' Thanks for videos so far! Very useful :) D
Is your I rate really 0.654, or 0.0654? The default is 0.1. I have always tuned previous copters (KK2 board) by flying them. However, this APM2.5 I think I'll try lashing it down as you have done.
I had to take 3 steps forward to catch it the first time due to bad waypoint placement, it bounced out of my hand the second, this vid was the third attempt! Getting there though :)
Thanks for the awesome tutorial. One quick question I have is; when you are changing the rate_p, rate_i, rate_d, are you changing the PID values of the rate_roll/rate_pitch? or PID values on the angular rate control? or are they both the same thing? thx!!
"You can tune using a dial on your tx, set that dial up as channel 6, then in mission planner choose which parameter you want to tune, and the limits." <--- BRILLIANT
my quad doesnt leave ground straight up like many in the world and it drifts to the right. i didnt ESC calib many times. any idea what should i look into to fix this? there is no vibration or trembling during flight, its smooth
please can you share extended tuning parameter screenshop please?
where to add these parameters in auropilot extended tuning?
sir can you please help me to build a arducopter drone controled by smartphone
hi all ,i have a large quad copter (motor:T-motor u10 ,ESC :flame 90 A ,prop: 28*9.2)(APM3.1.5),and i try to do a manual tune ,i started a with rate p until i have a large bouncing ,i decrease it down ,then i increase the D rate from(0-0.5) ,but i didn't have a small bouncing 10% , does is it effect to have a perfect tune
Nice flying performance,which firmware u are using ?
Жужжит прям как куча мух.
So the value which you add on one side, so the same value you tak off on another side?
+Jan Ropek Yes as long as the weight is distributed evenly across your airframe. If you have more weight upfront and outback you will find that you need to tune P up higher in pitch, and therefore D and I pitch will be different too. it's better to have them all the same if you are flying like a nutter, as it will perform the same in all axes, but if say you are crop spraying with arms out of the side you would have to tune roll higher to compensate for the extra reaction required to move the extra weight at the same speed in the other axis.
What esc are you using?
+Kevin Ross those are f30a or f40a from hobbyking with simonk firmware
Dave, can you explain about I_MAX. What is IMAX and how to tuning this settings. Or what IMAX you have in this test.. Thank you.
Looks & sounds like a fly caught in a spider web. Pretty cool setup though.
hello apology video Suvir UN CAN settings of the radio thanks .... I do not speak English sorry if I wrote bad
I've been flying me tri on an Auto Tune tune for 6 months and it seemed..ok. Yesterday I used acro mode for the first time and it showed that the tune was in fact pretty poor. This vid is great! I've seen numerous vids on PID tuning but this is methodical and clear. Cheers for taking the time, Dave :) I'm off to have a go now....
how do you verify the parameter of YAW control ? so far, I didn't have one, but tuning by outdoor fly.
Quadcopter tuning guide: 1 - Buy a QQ super flight controller for 18$. 2 - Plug it and fly.
phenomenal great job..
Hi Dave,first of all thanks for the Video. Do you Tune in Acro or Stab mode?
do you need to do this test with the full equipped frame? what i mean is: if i tune it and THEN i add a gopro etc... do i need to re-tune it again?
Francesco Bertelli ik this is 4 years later and probably won’t apply or you already know but yeah. Weight is important. When I tuned my quad I had the batteries that I would always use and a GoPro case full of rocks to mimic the weight. I later switched to larger batteries and had to re tune
I didn't know PID was something you did on the radio. I thought it was adjustments to the controller. It's not clear to me what knob(s) are being used, so the video isn't repeatable by me, but I like the suspension frame! I could make one easily and it would make a lot of quad work easier. Maybe I'll even put it on a pivot so I can spin my quads upside down and work on them.
In mission planner simply set which parameter you want to tune to channel 6, ensuring channel 6 on your radio is a dial. You can then tune within the limits you set in MP. Simples!
Of course, how that happens depends on what version of Mission Planner you're using. The options, screens and parameters seem to change almost nightly! Makes documenting any process pretty much impossible. For example, we used to be able to set RTL as a separate channel, and simple mode as another. Now those options are gone, and they have to be crammed into the six limit. Gone also is the option to send firmware to the 3DR radio. Makes me wonder if the people writing it actually use it.
Noob question sry. This is for "rate roll" yes? Do I need to do the same thing for rate pitch and yaw too? I take it I would need to move the string line depending on the axis.
they are linked by default so if your quad is symmetrical you can do both at once. If you want to do each one seperately then yes, you'd have to untie it and do it from the other angle
Dave C ahh I see thanks.
Dave C H frames are symmetrical right?
As long as your CoG is centralised then yes.
Great video. I have just built my first quad with Arducopter and during my first flight discovered fast diagonal oscillation issues; which I'm presuming are PID related. I am not looking forward to fixing it. Your model looks and sounds like it wants to break free in order to rearrange your face.
Fantastic! Outstanding work!
I cant get the firmware to upload to my apm 2.6. Any suggestions?
Can this tuning method be applied to all multicopter flight controllers, or is it specifically meant for Arducopter?
Any ideas for beginners looking to spend $0-$60? Or if that isn't possible $60-120?
search for hubsan x4. it's fun but no-where near as capable as a APM
Hi Dave, Great guide, happy with starting on 'D' then moving to 'P' - but then we come to 'I' and the video really doesn't cover that well,. is there a further video / notes that tell me how best to set up 'I'? I previously had a kk2 board and setting 'I' generally involved flying in non-stabilised mode and checking it held an angle, would love for you to make a quicky video covering a good method of setting 'I' Thanks for videos so far! Very useful :) D
Are the arducopter pid settings somehow related to the multiwii? i ask this because your settings are very lower than the default multiwii settings.
Congratulations on Competition. DaveC, What techniques did you use in your Frame (quad) to improve the precision with AC3.0?
Very good. Enjoyed watching.
Great job, did us all proud :)
Well done Dave........nice flying!!!
Well done mate !!
Very nice job mate, It was a pleasure to finally meet you!
Un-BELIEVABLE!
Is your I rate really 0.654, or 0.0654? The default is 0.1. I have always tuned previous copters (KK2 board) by flying them. However, this APM2.5 I think I'll try lashing it down as you have done.
Slightly bent competition actually... had a bit of a prang today :)
Going to be stiff competition!
Very Cool!!!!!
Magic Arducopter ???
Lol Dave, that was way too cool!
looks great!
That is fantastic
Nice :)
I had to take 3 steps forward to catch it the first time due to bad waypoint placement, it bounced out of my hand the second, this vid was the third attempt! Getting there though :)
i'm using stab mode but with stab_P at zero. You can do this or use acro mode and take the acro trainer off
Yup they are the same thing!
Thanks for the awesome tutorial. One quick question I have is; when you are changing the rate_p, rate_i, rate_d, are you changing the PID values of the rate_roll/rate_pitch? or PID values on the angular rate control? or are they both the same thing? thx!!
"You can tune using a dial on your tx, set that dial up as channel 6, then in mission planner choose which parameter you want to tune, and the limits." <--- BRILLIANT
But values can be changed while you are flying with bluetooth module, right?
What flymode are you used at you tuning?