I'm happy you mentioned Nyder in your post-episode thoughts, he's my pick for the best henchman in Who history. Cold, cunning, fiercely loyal to Davros and played to perfection by Peter Miles in his third and final Who role. The ruthless enforcer (Himmler) to Davros' megalomaniac (Hitler). I'm not surprised you find him menacing either because his name may have been inspired by 'neidr' the Welsh word for snake!
Close competition from Milton Johns as Benik in The Enemy of the World. He's so perverse and over the top in his every scene you practically hiss when he appears.
Absolutely! Peter Miles gives a great,quietly menacing performance to what could have been portrayed as a ranting, foaming, henchman stereotype by a lesser artiste.
Davros is a child of war. A war that lasted thousands of years. He lost his entire lower body, his left hand, his eyes and sustained damage to both face and vocal cords, permanently leaving him crippled. It’s only natural that he wants to end it by any means necessary.
Nyder is dressed in the uniform of an officer of the Luftstreitekraft, or the Imperial German Army Air Arm (think Baron von Richthofen). A bit early for the Nazis, though some became Nazis in later years.
What was great about the character of Davros as a concept is how Terry Nation made it clear Davros based the Dalek's hard-wired, genetically engineered personalities on himself, a ranting homicidal fascist and xenophobe obsessed with conquest. Convinced he is an avatar of intellect and logic, but descending into shrieking hysterical fury at any opposition. The Daleks are psychopaths because they were created by a psychopath.
It's rather wonderful that they physically resemble him too - with the one eye in the "forehead", flashing speech indicators, and only one "hand", ie. the manipulator sucker arm on their right side. Truly "created in the image of their creator".
I wonder if saskia recalls the peter capaldi 2 dalek 2 parter that starts on skaro and now understands some of the imaging for that story when he met a child davros.... the bows and arrows etc all alluding to this genesis of the daleks story with the endless war leading to more and more primative weapons...
It's a small moment but I always loved the moment when the Thal president says the Dr should be punished then changes his mind, appreciating that the war is over and it is time for forgiveness and rebuilding.
I love the cliffhanger to part 4 with Davros shouting it’s chilling, one of my favourites. I remember part 4 was the episode i saw repeated on BBC Two back on the 15th February 2000. I vague experience was seeing claims and Davros ranting though out the episode.
Watch for the moment when Davros asks the Doctor and he to 'talk together, simply talk, as men of science'. One wonders what Davros might have been without the war he grew up within. There is an excellent audio drama from Big Finish called 'I, Davros', where his life is explored, similarly to the famous Roman tale: 'I CLAVDIVS' (I, Claudius).
It's one of the extraordinary things about this story, how the huge war is between two vast city-domes, which are within walking distance, and how while the Doctor and Harry can get into the Thal dome, but Davros and Nyder can beat them there, and by quite a margin, too. It's almost as if the war is not really happening any more by episode 4.
All the cliffhangers in this story are some of the very best ever, especially Part Four's. As much as I love Julian Bleach's take on Davros (my favourite to date), Michael Wisher is still chillingly phenomenal, as is Peter Miles as Nyder.
The Thal that dangles Sarah from the rocket cone is Hilary Minster, who played another of that race, Marat, in 'Planet of the Daleks' (and was exterminated for his bravery). Later on he's reunited with Guy Siner ('Boy General' Ravon) in the wartime BBC sitcom 'Allo 'Allo - as a stereotypical ranting German General. And that transition is also a reminder of the blurred line here between the Kaleds and the Thals; so clearly distinguished in the earlier Dalek serials. Perhaps typically for the 1970s, the people you used to think of as the good guys are just as bad here.
Oh..My..GOD I can't believe I forgot about the giant clam monsters. I love them so much. How cool would it be to have a glimpse into the writers room for the ep and hear them discussing this? - "We need a monster for them to encounter in the tunnels; any thoughts anyone? Remember, there are no wrong answers at this point." - "I've got it! Mutant seafood!!" - "You're fired."
Thanks for your lovely commentary! I first saw Genesis of the Daleks when I was a little boy in Australia more than 40 years ago. At the time it wasn't one of my favourite Doctor Who Stories, probably because all the sets and filming locations are so very drab, grey and miserable looking, and the story felt to be so slow moving. The amount of screen time the actual Daleks have in the story is actually very, very small, and for the most part the story lacks the monsters and fantastical settings characteristic of Doctor Who. It's a philosophical, psychological suspense story for the mature viewer, devised by the brilliant talent of Terry Nation and it's definitely grown on me over the years. Thanks again for your reaction - much appreciated!
I was trying to find out recently why Tom Baker’s doctor is so good, and I think I got it. In short the 4th is a goofy, funny, lovable, bohemian in dark depressing landscapes like war fields and murder caves. But he manages to be a powerful positive force in these conditions which is what separates him from other doctors. No other Doctor not even David Tennant or Matt Smith have the same positive outlook on a depressing situation like Tom Baker. No wonder he was a Doctor for kids to look up to. As even when they were watching something scary they knew that this doctor wouldn’t be so scared.
Nydor is my favorite henchman EVER!! Strong enough to be a main villain, but completely committed to carrying out Davros's plans. If I had a few Nydors, I could conquer the WORLD!!! BWWAAhahahaahaa!! Oh well. It would be fun to rewatch "The Magician's Nephew" and "The Witch's Familiar" right after seeing this, and bookend 'The Davros Story'. Talk about obsessive behavior! LOL!
The Daleks are wisely used sparingly in this story with all the focus being on their creator, Davros, who in turn became one of the most iconic Who villains ever thanks to the performance of Michael Wisher.
The way the Daleks are used in this serial reminds me a lot of how the shark is used in Jaws (oddly enough released the same year as this story), namely that they don't appear very frequently onscreen, but when we do see them it leaves a massive impact
again great story glad the Thals weren't portrayed as the noble race from The Daleks. Shows there's no heroes in war. wish we saw more variety in Davros experiments. more mutations. Nyder is brilliant wish he was in more stories. it's always great to see Davros with a henchman. Like Colony Sarff. wish he had a regular one. Love Davros scheme to betray his people shows his dedication and twisted nature. the cliffhanger for part 4 is one of the best in the history of Doctor Who
Makes you wonder if the mutations in the Lake of Mutations in the first ever Dalek story from 1963/64 are descended from Davros's experiments, or a result of Dalek nuclear weapons, or both.
It's one of my favourite things about this serial, the fact that the Thals are capable of some cruel and despicable actions, while the Kaleds demonstrate some reasonable and noble qualities, it really fleshes out the conflict beyond being a simple battle between 'good' and 'evil' factions
@@christianwise637 In the first Dalek story, the Thals say that their ancestors were warriors and the ancestors of the Daleks were philosophers. That suggests that originally, the Thals were the aggressors and the Kaleds were the good guys.
@@christianwise637 It's so clever. General Ravon comes across as a delusional fanatic when the Doctor and Harry are first captured, yet here he is with the other senior Kaled council members being concerned about the unethical experiments of Davros. Maybe for the wrong reasons, he could still be motivated by ideals of "racial purity", but that makes his character both consistent and, at this time, a valuable ally. The stakes are high and though the future must be a foregone conclusion (at least for Terry Nation's bank balance), the Doctor doesn't believe so and thus neither do we. It really feels like the story is momentous and everything is hanging in the balance.
The tales about Michael Wisher sitting in a chair with a paper bag over his head to simulate the discomfiture he was about to experience in costume are always a fan favourite (particularly with Tom recalling how he would cut holes in the top of the bag so that the smoke from the constant stream of cigarettes passing under the bag could escape). And there's a nice one about kids visiting the set and creeping up on what they believe to be an inert dummy - only for Wisher to lash out and grip one of their hands! The stuff that nightma-dreams are made of...
I saw this episode in 1979 when I was on vacation in Australia. And it scared the 11-year-old of me. But when I watched again over and over and. When Davros said the ultimate conqueror of the universe. That means the Star Wars and Star Trek. And I ask every Star Wars fan. How many Sith and Jedi can kill a Dalek? And I look at the episode. Micheal Wisher must have looked at all the World War two films of Hitler's speeches. And read Mary Shelly's Frankenstein. And Dr. Mengle because if you watch the Bunker and Downfall. And watch Frankenstein. And I came to to the conclusion that Davros is a combination of all three. Micheal wanted to continue with Davros. But his stage commitments prevented him from doing this. Man, I wish I could have seen him on the stage.
Very much enjoyed how much your post-episode thoughts focused on Davros. I like to try and imagine what it must have been like for a viewer in the 70s watching this for the first time. They would've gone into it knowing the Daleks, of course, but I wonder how they felt about Davros and how it ended up being his story. Rewatching this story, one part scared the crap out of me; when the one guy meets with Nyder in the holding cell, the camera pans over and Nyder is standing in the dark. You can just see the light reflected in his glasses and his creepy smile.
Back in 1975 as a ten year old all I wanted was Daleks so I was disappointed that we seemed to see so little of them. As I grew older my thoughts matured somewhat!
As a 7 year old I was so impressed by Davros, it seemed utterly logical that he would be more Dalek than man. I'd only seen one Dalek story before, at least that I remembered, and Sarah was my link between the two. Lis Sladen's reactions make the story, just as much as Wisher's acting does.
One of the elements I like of this story, as you mentioned is how Davros is written so well and a villain. He's not just there to chew the scenery, he has clear goals and a fully developed personality. It's also worth pointing this out because when this story was written, he and the rest of Kaleds were never expected to come back. He's just a one off badguy for this story, unlike the Master, who was always intended to be recurring. Yet you do have a feeling of there being more to them. Thus when something this well written is expended upon in new who for example, you can see why they have become so iconic.
Great reaction Jess and loving your green dress. Davros has really hit his stride in these two episodes, Michael Wisher's performance is mesmerising, he totally dominates every scene he's in and I love the dynamic between himself and Peter Miles as Nyder. Trust Harry to get attacked by a giant clam.. the big fool...😂 Sarah is great as always and an honourable mention must go to Stephen Yardley as Sevrin. He brings a certain gravitas and sympathy to his role. Also, just remembered that in 'The Daleks' we find that the Thals were originally a warrior race and the Dals, or Kaleds as we now know them, were the scholars, scientists and philosophers... Thank you for another enjoyable reaction, Jess. ☺👍
That was The Chase when they started hunting time lords using DARDISes. The Daleks also carried out assaults through time in Dalek Master Plan, Evil of the Daleks and Day of the Daleks, changing history.
I had an idea for a prequel/sequel to Genesis of the Daleks, being an obviously Dalek-centric but perhaps Doctor & Companion-lite one, where a temporal anomaly alerts the Daleks that they must go on a secret mission back in time to Skaro's past during the Thal and Kaled war and to the cause of the incident that crippled Davros in the first place, which led to the Daleks creation, the Daleks must ensure this incident happens, even if they have to cause it themselves, thus via time travel in a grandfather & bootstrap causal loop paradox, the Daleks have to create their own creator to ensure their own creation and survival... this then leads to a scene back in the future timeline where Davros who's so far is unaware of any of this trying to remind the Daleks that he created them only for the original Supreme Dalek to respond with correct... but it was also we who created you..!
And they say the revived series is too politically charged. This story on its own is engulfed with fascism. Yes, Davros and the Daleks are based on Hitler and the Nazis, but this story is the most open about this. And it's honestly terrifying.
It is possible, perhaps even probable, that script editor Robert Holmes contributed to the writing of this story. But one thing that I'm 100% certain was a Terry Nation idea, is the giant clams.
I love this story and only ever had one lil nit pick about it. It's the whole 1000 years of war between two races that literally live walking distance from each other.
Michael Wisher turns in a remarkable performance as Davros. Despite the prosthetics and heavy modulation of his voice he manages to project Davros' character and obsessive near mania very clearly yet still portrays him as a far from one dimensional character. He sets the bar high for later actors taking on the role. Another delight in this story is the relationship between the members of the Tardis team. The writers seem finally to have got a handle on Harry's character and role. It's such a pity that he was largely wasted earlier and that his character (as discussed in earlier reactions, so not a spoiler!) was regarded as largely redundant once Baker was cast. Harry is the first male companion since Jamie and the first 'older' man since Ian way back in the first Doctor's day. We see, of course, the same trend continuing (until the 13th Doctor) with a series of young female companions other than Rory who only gained maturity slowly towards the end of the (over-long) Amy & Rory saga. I'll come out and say it, "I like Harry" and, incidentally, Harry Sullivan is *not* an imbecile!
He is, though, only qualified to work on Sailors. Ship's doctors were combat medics and teachers of first aid and morale boosters, until modern times, being much like the ship's cook.
@@stevetheduck1425 It's true that until Victorian times surgeons and doctors were seen as quite distinct and Ship's Surgeons were often judged on the speed of their amputations rather than any particular skill in treating illness. Harry, of course, was a twentieth century medical officer and thus obtained his medical qualifications before joining the Armed Forces.
I remember when Tom Baker was on a breakfast show here. The interview was going well and then the presenter (Selena Scott if i recall) asked him to pick out the winners of the competition. There was a sack full of self addressed envelopes and postcards with the answer to the question (we are talking a time before texts and emails). The question was 'Who created the Daleks ?'. Selena then said 'Of course the answer is Davros'. Where upon Tom Baker derailed the competition with what he said next
So glad you are reacting to this amazing classic. Love your reactions to this. Michael Wisher as Davros is simply phenomenal, so creepy and the make up is extraordinary. Credit to Peter Miles too for his cold and calculating, cunning portrayal of Nyder. Love your channel. By the way, dig the dress and sorry to sound personal here, but you have a lovely body. You're reactions are fun and you aren't hard on the eye either.
Your point about the Doctor and Harry getting around brings up a weakness in the story, namely the small sense of scale. The Kaleds and Thals have been fighting a war for centurie, which originally involved weapons of mass destruction, despite the two cities being next door to each other, with a handy tunnel enabling them to sneak in. It would be like Moscow being within a few miles of Kiev and yet unleashing all their nuclear arsenal on Ukraine.
I'm happy you mentioned Nyder in your post-episode thoughts, he's my pick for the best henchman in Who history. Cold, cunning, fiercely loyal to Davros and played to perfection by Peter Miles in his third and final Who role. The ruthless enforcer (Himmler) to Davros' megalomaniac (Hitler). I'm not surprised you find him menacing either because his name may have been inspired by 'neidr' the Welsh word for snake!
Close competition from Milton Johns as Benik in The Enemy of the World. He's so perverse and over the top in his every scene you practically hiss when he appears.
Absolutely! Peter Miles gives a great,quietly menacing performance to what could have been portrayed as a ranting, foaming, henchman stereotype by a lesser artiste.
@@wendigo69 Good call. Both brilliant actors with portrayals in Doctor Who of villains who you can "love to hate".
Interesting that you see him as Himmler, I thought he was more of a Goebbels myself.
I can't remember who it was who compared Davros and Nyder to Burns and Smithers in The Simpsons.
Davros is a child of war. A war that lasted thousands of years. He lost his entire lower body, his left hand, his eyes and sustained damage to both face and vocal cords, permanently leaving him crippled. It’s only natural that he wants to end it by any means necessary.
The reason that episode four cliffanger works so well? Davros is right, and we know it; the Doctor is going to tell him, there's no other way out.
Davros's intelligence is truly shown in this script, not just told of...
"Excuse me. Can you help me? I'm a spy." Some large number of episodes later: "Look at me! I'm a distraction!" Truth for the win!
Nyder’s uniform: just in case you didn’t know the Daleks were space-Nazis.
They had to remove the Iron Cross at his neck from the earlier episodes as it was felt to be too on-the-nose and likely to attract complaints.
Nyder is dressed in the uniform of an officer of the Luftstreitekraft, or the Imperial German Army Air Arm (think Baron von Richthofen).
A bit early for the Nazis, though some became Nazis in later years.
What was great about the character of Davros as a concept is how Terry Nation made it clear Davros based the Dalek's hard-wired, genetically engineered personalities on himself, a ranting homicidal fascist and xenophobe obsessed with conquest. Convinced he is an avatar of intellect and logic, but descending into shrieking hysterical fury at any opposition.
The Daleks are psychopaths because they were created by a psychopath.
It's rather wonderful that they physically resemble him too - with the one eye in the "forehead", flashing speech indicators, and only one "hand", ie. the manipulator sucker arm on their right side. Truly "created in the image of their creator".
I wonder if saskia recalls the peter capaldi 2 dalek 2 parter that starts on skaro and now understands some of the imaging for that story when he met a child davros.... the bows and arrows etc all alluding to this genesis of the daleks story with the endless war leading to more and more primative weapons...
It's a small moment but I always loved the moment when the Thal president says the Dr should be punished then changes his mind, appreciating that the war is over and it is time for forgiveness and rebuilding.
And let's have a moment of silence for Ronson. The first person ever exterminated by a Dalek
I love the cliffhanger to part 4 with Davros shouting it’s chilling, one of my favourites. I remember part 4 was the episode i saw repeated on BBC Two back on the 15th February 2000. I vague experience was seeing claims and Davros ranting though out the episode.
Watch for the moment when Davros asks the Doctor and he to 'talk together, simply talk, as men of science'.
One wonders what Davros might have been without the war he grew up within.
There is an excellent audio drama from Big Finish called 'I, Davros', where his life is explored, similarly to the famous Roman tale: 'I CLAVDIVS' (I, Claudius).
It's one of the extraordinary things about this story, how the huge war is between two vast city-domes, which are within walking distance, and how while the Doctor and Harry can get into the Thal dome, but Davros and Nyder can beat them there, and by quite a margin, too.
It's almost as if the war is not really happening any more by episode 4.
All the cliffhangers in this story are some of the very best ever, especially Part Four's. As much as I love Julian Bleach's take on Davros (my favourite to date), Michael Wisher is still chillingly phenomenal, as is Peter Miles as Nyder.
Michael Wisher ran so Julian Bleach could fly.
@@ZondaFRoadster yes
Bleach's performances are clearly influenced by Wisher's. And that is praise for Bleach, not a criticism. 😁
The Thal that dangles Sarah from the rocket cone is Hilary Minster, who played another of that race, Marat, in 'Planet of the Daleks' (and was exterminated for his bravery). Later on he's reunited with Guy Siner ('Boy General' Ravon) in the wartime BBC sitcom 'Allo 'Allo - as a stereotypical ranting German General. And that transition is also a reminder of the blurred line here between the Kaleds and the Thals; so clearly distinguished in the earlier Dalek serials. Perhaps typically for the 1970s, the people you used to think of as the good guys are just as bad here.
Sarah janes experience here is brutal. I can't imagine Donna or Rose getting through this without trauma.
The conversation that the Doctor and Davros have in the next episodes is one of my favorite scenes.
"*gasp!* THE CLAMS!" The kind of thing that, taken out of context, immediately lets you know that someone can only be reacting to Doctor Who.
Oh..My..GOD I can't believe I forgot about the giant clam monsters. I love them so much. How cool would it be to have a glimpse into the writers room for the ep and hear them discussing this?
- "We need a monster for them to encounter in the tunnels; any thoughts anyone? Remember, there are no wrong answers at this point."
- "I've got it! Mutant seafood!!"
- "You're fired."
Thanks for your lovely commentary! I first saw Genesis of the Daleks when I was a little boy in Australia more than 40 years ago. At the time it wasn't one of my favourite Doctor Who Stories, probably because all the sets and filming locations are so very drab, grey and miserable looking, and the story felt to be so slow moving. The amount of screen time the actual Daleks have in the story is actually very, very small, and for the most part the story lacks the monsters and fantastical settings characteristic of Doctor Who. It's a philosophical, psychological suspense story for the mature viewer, devised by the brilliant talent of Terry Nation and it's definitely grown on me over the years. Thanks again for your reaction - much appreciated!
I was trying to find out recently why Tom Baker’s doctor is so good, and I think I got it. In short the 4th is a goofy, funny, lovable, bohemian in dark depressing landscapes like war fields and murder caves. But he manages to be a powerful positive force in these conditions which is what separates him from other doctors. No other Doctor not even David Tennant or Matt Smith have the same positive outlook on a depressing situation like Tom Baker. No wonder he was a Doctor for kids to look up to. As even when they were watching something scary they knew that this doctor wouldn’t be so scared.
Nydor is my favorite henchman EVER!! Strong enough to be a main villain, but completely committed to carrying out Davros's plans. If I had a few Nydors, I could conquer the WORLD!!! BWWAAhahahaahaa!!
Oh well.
It would be fun to rewatch "The Magician's Nephew" and "The Witch's Familiar" right after seeing this, and bookend 'The Davros Story'. Talk about obsessive behavior! LOL!
*Nyder
The Daleks are wisely used sparingly in this story with all the focus being on their creator, Davros, who in turn became one of the most iconic Who villains ever thanks to the performance of Michael Wisher.
The way the Daleks are used in this serial reminds me a lot of how the shark is used in Jaws (oddly enough released the same year as this story), namely that they don't appear very frequently onscreen, but when we do see them it leaves a massive impact
again great story glad the Thals weren't portrayed as the noble race from The Daleks. Shows there's no heroes in war.
wish we saw more variety in Davros experiments. more mutations.
Nyder is brilliant wish he was in more stories. it's always great to see Davros with a henchman. Like Colony Sarff. wish he had a regular one.
Love Davros scheme to betray his people shows his dedication and twisted nature.
the cliffhanger for part 4 is one of the best in the history of Doctor Who
Makes you wonder if the mutations in the Lake of Mutations in the first ever Dalek story from 1963/64 are descended from Davros's experiments, or a result of Dalek nuclear weapons, or both.
@@frankshailes3205 both
It's one of my favourite things about this serial, the fact that the Thals are capable of some cruel and despicable actions, while the Kaleds demonstrate some reasonable and noble qualities, it really fleshes out the conflict beyond being a simple battle between 'good' and 'evil' factions
@@christianwise637 In the first Dalek story, the Thals say that their ancestors were warriors and the ancestors of the Daleks were philosophers. That suggests that originally, the Thals were the aggressors and the Kaleds were the good guys.
@@christianwise637 It's so clever. General Ravon comes across as a delusional fanatic when the Doctor and Harry are first captured, yet here he is with the other senior Kaled council members being concerned about the unethical experiments of Davros. Maybe for the wrong reasons, he could still be motivated by ideals of "racial purity", but that makes his character both consistent and, at this time, a valuable ally. The stakes are high and though the future must be a foregone conclusion (at least for Terry Nation's bank balance), the Doctor doesn't believe so and thus neither do we. It really feels like the story is momentous and everything is hanging in the balance.
Davros being ‘enthusiastic’ is an understatement 😂
A bit like saying World War II was a minor police action...
The tales about Michael Wisher sitting in a chair with a paper bag over his head to simulate the discomfiture he was about to experience in costume are always a fan favourite (particularly with Tom recalling how he would cut holes in the top of the bag so that the smoke from the constant stream of cigarettes passing under the bag could escape). And there's a nice one about kids visiting the set and creeping up on what they believe to be an inert dummy - only for Wisher to lash out and grip one of their hands! The stuff that nightma-dreams are made of...
I saw this episode in 1979 when I was on vacation in Australia. And it scared the 11-year-old of me. But when I watched again over and over and. When Davros said the ultimate conqueror of the universe. That means the Star Wars and Star Trek. And I ask every Star Wars fan. How many Sith and Jedi can kill a Dalek? And I look at the episode. Micheal Wisher must have looked at all the World War two films of Hitler's speeches. And read Mary Shelly's Frankenstein. And Dr. Mengle because if you watch the Bunker and Downfall. And watch Frankenstein. And I came to to the conclusion that Davros is a combination of all three. Micheal wanted to continue with Davros. But his stage commitments prevented him from doing this. Man, I wish I could have seen him on the stage.
Very much enjoyed how much your post-episode thoughts focused on Davros. I like to try and imagine what it must have been like for a viewer in the 70s watching this for the first time. They would've gone into it knowing the Daleks, of course, but I wonder how they felt about Davros and how it ended up being his story.
Rewatching this story, one part scared the crap out of me; when the one guy meets with Nyder in the holding cell, the camera pans over and Nyder is standing in the dark. You can just see the light reflected in his glasses and his creepy smile.
Back in 1975 as a ten year old all I wanted was Daleks so I was disappointed that we seemed to see so little of them. As I grew older my thoughts matured somewhat!
As a 7 year old I was so impressed by Davros, it seemed utterly logical that he would be more Dalek than man. I'd only seen one Dalek story before, at least that I remembered, and Sarah was my link between the two. Lis Sladen's reactions make the story, just as much as Wisher's acting does.
One of the elements I like of this story, as you mentioned is how Davros is written so well and a villain. He's not just there to chew the scenery, he has clear goals and a fully developed personality. It's also worth pointing this out because when this story was written, he and the rest of Kaleds were never expected to come back. He's just a one off badguy for this story, unlike the Master, who was always intended to be recurring. Yet you do have a feeling of there being more to them. Thus when something this well written is expended upon in new who for example, you can see why they have become so iconic.
Davros was making giant scallops ‘cause the Kaleds had an ongoing food shortage and he wanted really good seafood. Just made them too big.
Big Finish gave Davros a great origin story called "I, Davros". Download it!
Great reaction Jess and loving your green dress. Davros has really hit his stride in these two episodes, Michael Wisher's performance is mesmerising, he totally dominates every scene he's in and I love the dynamic between himself and Peter Miles as Nyder.
Trust Harry to get attacked by a giant clam.. the big fool...😂
Sarah is great as always and an honourable mention must go to Stephen Yardley as Sevrin. He brings a certain gravitas and sympathy to his role.
Also, just remembered that in 'The Daleks' we find that the Thals were originally a warrior race and the Dals, or Kaleds as we now know them, were the scholars, scientists and philosophers...
Thank you for another enjoyable reaction, Jess. ☺👍
Green dress,? She's a Thal!
you know there's a fan theory that the events of this story are the opening shot of the great time war :)
Russell T Davies confirmed it
That was The Chase when they started hunting time lords using DARDISes. The Daleks also carried out assaults through time in Dalek Master Plan, Evil of the Daleks and Day of the Daleks, changing history.
I had an idea for a prequel/sequel to Genesis of the Daleks, being an obviously Dalek-centric but perhaps Doctor & Companion-lite one, where a temporal anomaly alerts the Daleks that they must go on a secret mission back in time to Skaro's past during the Thal and Kaled war and to the cause of the incident that crippled Davros in the first place, which led to the Daleks creation, the Daleks must ensure this incident happens, even if they have to cause it themselves, thus via time travel in a grandfather & bootstrap causal loop paradox, the Daleks have to create their own creator to ensure their own creation and survival... this then leads to a scene back in the future timeline where Davros who's so far is unaware of any of this trying to remind the Daleks that he created them only for the original Supreme Dalek to respond with correct... but it was also we who created you..!
Actually Bog Finish did a prequel of GENESIS OF THE DALEKS called DAVROS starring Terry Malloy and Peter Niles as Nyder
@@jeffgalus8454 Bog Finish 😂
@@whereami2477 I deserve that🤣🤣🤣
Shade of Batman v/s Joker 1989.
You might recognize Peter Miles ,AKA Nyder,
previously played Dr. Lawrence from the Silurians and Professor Whitaker in Invasion of the Dinosaurs.
Definitely time to rewatch the capaldi ep “the magicians apprentice” now that you’ve seen this.
And they say the revived series is too politically charged. This story on its own is engulfed with fascism. Yes, Davros and the Daleks are based on Hitler and the Nazis, but this story is the most open about this. And it's honestly terrifying.
Hi Sesska - You were already familiar with Davros from new Who. Now youve seen Michael Wisher, the original, is he what you expected?
It is possible, perhaps even probable, that script editor Robert Holmes contributed to the writing of this story. But one thing that I'm 100% certain was a Terry Nation idea, is the giant clams.
I love this story and only ever had one lil nit pick about it. It's the whole 1000 years of war between two races that literally live walking distance from each other.
Davros and Sarah Jane meeting here is mentioned in "new who" during the stolen earth episodes
Michael Wisher turns in a remarkable performance as Davros. Despite the prosthetics and heavy modulation of his voice he manages to project Davros' character and obsessive near mania very clearly yet still portrays him as a far from one dimensional character. He sets the bar high for later actors taking on the role.
Another delight in this story is the relationship between the members of the Tardis team. The writers seem finally to have got a handle on Harry's character and role. It's such a pity that he was largely wasted earlier and that his character (as discussed in earlier reactions, so not a spoiler!) was regarded as largely redundant once Baker was cast. Harry is the first male companion since Jamie and the first 'older' man since Ian way back in the first Doctor's day. We see, of course, the same trend continuing (until the 13th Doctor) with a series of young female companions other than Rory who only gained maturity slowly towards the end of the (over-long) Amy & Rory saga.
I'll come out and say it, "I like Harry" and, incidentally, Harry Sullivan is *not* an imbecile!
He is, though, only qualified to work on Sailors.
Ship's doctors were combat medics and teachers of first aid and morale boosters, until modern times, being much like the ship's cook.
@@stevetheduck1425 It's true that until Victorian times surgeons and doctors were seen as quite distinct and Ship's Surgeons were often judged on the speed of their amputations rather than any particular skill in treating illness. Harry, of course, was a twentieth century medical officer and thus obtained his medical qualifications before joining the Armed Forces.
"NO, I WILL NOT!". You know the villain has gone too far when he achieves the feat of angering the Fourth Doctor.
like i said before Elizabeth , was a great actress... ( Sarah ) , ,,,, classic shows x
Bloody love this story
So good! Looking forward to the reaction of the finale 😁
You can really see how the Daleks were bases on the Nazis in this episode, including when they were still Kaleds in some cases!
The back of Davros' chair looks like a giant middle finger.
I remember when Tom Baker was on a breakfast show here. The interview was going well and then the presenter (Selena Scott if i recall) asked him to pick out the winners of the competition. There was a sack full of self addressed envelopes and postcards with the answer to the question (we are talking a time before texts and emails). The question was 'Who created the Daleks ?'. Selena then said 'Of course the answer is Davros'. Where upon Tom Baker derailed the competition with what he said next
I think you are getting your Doctors and breakfast shows mixed up...It was Jon Pertwee on Good Morning with Anne and Nick,I think you'll find.
Far as I know Terry Nation created the Daleks :)
Dav--Ross.
Exactly. Not "Dav-rowce" :)
The show that made me resubscribe. Let's gooooooo!
Davros is space Hitler.
I love Davros’s🖕🏻chair 14:29
This was before Davros became insane. 😂
not necessary but a fun thing to do is watch Genesis and Magicians Aprentice together
This is such a great channel. 👍👍
…I wonder if Daleks eat clam chowder 🤔
No those clams on Skaro eats you
@@jeffgalus8454Mmmmm….Mutant chowder.
@Brad1980 with sprinkles.
love the dress sesska 😋
So glad you are reacting to this amazing classic. Love your reactions to this. Michael Wisher as Davros is simply phenomenal, so creepy and the make up is extraordinary. Credit to Peter Miles too for his cold and calculating, cunning portrayal of Nyder. Love your channel. By the way, dig the dress and sorry to sound personal here, but you have a lovely body. You're reactions are fun and you aren't hard on the eye either.
I wondered when you'd get to this story eventually.
Your point about the Doctor and Harry getting around brings up a weakness in the story, namely the small sense of scale. The Kaleds and Thals have been fighting a war for centurie, which originally involved weapons of mass destruction, despite the two cities being next door to each other, with a handy tunnel enabling them to sneak in. It would be like Moscow being within a few miles of Kiev and yet unleashing all their nuclear arsenal on Ukraine.
BRILLIANT XOXOXOOX
Just wanted to say good job on the reviews andby the way dmm you look amazing