How MMA Exposed Traditional Martial Arts
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- UFC and the birth of MMA has changed the martial arts world forever. Before it was easy to claim your martial art is the best, yet the rise of UFC and MMA many martial arts were exposed to their lack of functionality. Just how much and in what ways UFC affected the traditional martial arts world - all about that in this Martial Arts Explored episode!
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Welcome to Martial Arts Explored! A series where I'm doing my best to take a look at martial arts through an open minded and honest approach. If you liked this video, check another Martial Arts Explored episode about the reality of knife defense here: th-cam.com/video/hNOaAZk4nDI/w-d-xo.html
Martial Arts Journey it’s good and all, but ffs do something about the sound in your videos. All these mic thumps and noise are really annoying.
To be fair to traditional arts, they got more heavily commercialized and abused over the years. There use to be literally challenges to the death matches up until they were made completely illegal. This allowed some arts to fade away and others to change their tactics for more civilized people. And others still to get away with less skills when teaching.
The old school masters focused heavily on physical training and mental, spiritual growth as the student got better. Now days, not so much. Unless you go to the country of origin and find a legit master.
BJJ is just sport, only a fool goes to ground game in the war. Most TMA use weapons as their tools for self defense. In Silat also had ground game just like BJJ, Silat Harimau, Silek Tuo, and they use Kerambit to execute the techniques. If we talking about sport yes but not all. For a street fight even Boxing is enough.
You may try BJJ vs Wrestling on concrete. Good luck with that.
Neji Hyuuga haha, another DELUSIONAL TMArtist.
Neji Hyuuga I’ve actually had great luck with that, after having my eyebrow split open from a cowards sucker punch, I first out boxed him an then took him to the ground, it ended up with me sitting in his chest an him saying to his friends to break it up, I’m pretty sure he was never in a situation in which he was on his back and couldn’t breath.
Early ufc fighters legitimately looked like street fighter characters lol
Actually, many were just that, and had some success...Tank Abbot for example. And, yes, many Karate and Kung Fu guys, etc, were exposed for the weaknesses of their style. Of course, this was when we were introduced to Royce Gracie, a 170+ lb Gracie JiuJitsu fighter...Whats Gracie JiuJitsu...thats what is was called before it was relabeled as Brazillian JiuJitsu. And, he smashed everyone...Great fighters who had 50-75 lbs on him...Ken Shamrock, Dan Severn, Kimo Leopoldo, etc. No one has shook up the martial arts world like that since Bruce Lee.
@vial.of.photons Shamrock??? Thats cus in their 1st fight he got taken out by Royce in 25 secs. Just for laughs, what dirty tactics did Royce use? Remember, it was "no holds barred" back then, not MMA. Guys were using groin shots, fish hooking, 12-6 elbow strikes,...Royce never did that shit. He just showed the world why Gracie JJ was the most dominate martial art there is. He submitted, and choked out talented fighters with 50-75 pounds on him. Shamrock, Severn, Kimo, Pardoel, and many others.
@@michaelfarar4232 if anything Royce Gracie was the least dirty fighter at the time. There's videos of guys getting their teeth kicked in, getting their balls demolished, and one particularly brutal video of a guy getting headbutted on the floor til unconsciousness.
@@johngun7418 I think your recalling the Nin-Jitsu guy, Scott something??? cant remember his name, being elbowed by Patrick Smith. You are so right. Gracie was the cleanest and GJJ is considered a soft style. The teeth flying was the kicks from Gerard Gordeau to some guy. Gordeau was then finished By Royce Gracie in the final of UFC 1.
vial.of.photons lol as much advantage of possible? What did royce do in the original UFCs besides beat all his opponents most of whom outweighed him. The gracies don’t promote BJJ, they promote jiu jitsu for self defence and for practical fighting. BJJ is competition grappling with rules etc.
" Everybody has a mouth untill they get punched in the plan " tike myson
Love it
Tike myson😂
Lmao stop blabbering that quote everywhere. Except tyson no one can stand tall to those words.
You mean: "Etherybothy hath a mountfh unthill tfhey geth punschedf in fthe plan" - Mise Tykon
“Wooden sticks don’t fight you back”
Loose Bee
- So, martial arts is moving in a way that looks cool.
--- Saitama
seems liko most of themare more like meditation or dance
Woah woah woah dont insult martial arts like that.
This is from the manga One Punch Man. FYI.
@@MarcelinoDeseo Its from the anime as well.
@@MarcelinoDeseo yeah, they covered that story arc in the second season of anime.
Alternative Title: “How the Martial Arts World learned that Fist of the North Star was not a documentary”
FOTNS you said? Art atatatatatatattattatatatattstsgs
omae wa mu
@@stefanostefanovic5809 Nani?!?
ROFLMAO! I actually know a few people that used that as a "training film".
YOU LIE!
I think a more accurate title would be how "How MMA Exposed Fantasy Based Martial Arts".
I agree
So, it is a clickbait title after all, then.
Yeah it’s a pretty vague title overall. In some cases, like with Muay Thai and Taekwondo it showed that certain techniques worked and others did not. It would be inaccurate to say that MMA exposed traditional martial arts as ineffective when specific traditional techniques are used in MMA to this day.
If anything I would say that MMA exposed a weakness in specialized combat forms as well as mystical martial arts in the modern day.
When a TKD guy add some mma
He become a monster
@@zeusraptis5834 Yeah, the problem with only learning TKD is that in spars they tend to go by a point only system so the focus ends up being to throw the fastest kick rather than an effective kick. In a real fight you can throw 2-3 fast kicks but they don't care because they are in your chest now. TKD has no real close quarter techniques to fend off aggressive opponents except the front/back kick (Push Kicks for MMA fighters). However these only maintain distance or gauge distance rather than hurt.
In an MMA fight most people opt out of big kicks anyways because the setup is usually too slow to be effective so kicks like the tornado kick or reverse side kick end up being locked down as well. That leaves round kicks, side kicks, and low kicks which don't give pure TKD fighters much to work with.
MMA taught people that generalists survive while specialists get fucked. Also that grappling is always an option lol
Having a black belt in Hapkido, I was instantly humiliated by the Gracie brothers back in 1988. This was before their first academy in Torrence. I was one of the garage guys. Having been there from close to the beginning in the U.S., I must say that your video is exceedingly accurate. Very well done. I'm almost 70. My gosh, that's over 30 years! It was one of the best journeys that I took in my life. I really learned a lot about real fighting. Thanks again for a well done video.
This is a great story, you should record a video telling it
Could you tell us the holes they exposed in your style? I've been wanting to try both
You know Hapkido? Can you tell me more about it? I practice BJJ, but I'm also curious about Hapkido.
Thank you for your humility. I find this to be even true in the body of Christ.
It's nice to see someone that can take a loss and learn from it. Hat off to you, sir!
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth" - Mike Tyson
At my local dojo, just a few months after our sensei went to various MMA tournaments for the fun of it, they altered the training a bit with two new and very specific requirements.
1: They'd hit us with sticks randomly while we were doing Kata, and our goal was to not flinch and follow through with our manuver after getting hit.
2: Half the sparing matches were replaced with "sumo" matches, in which you loose if you get taken to the ground, our goal being to stay upright and on our feet for as long as possible.
MMA had only just started, and places were already adapting.
@@animorph17 Wich is actually really good and show your teacher is really clever to adapt the training to it keep grounded to a realistic situation.
Tyson n I are close to the same age n if I could have gotten into the ring with him, just us, no cameras, no bets, just 2 fighters fighting would have been a great honor win or Lose.
M. Hall Worth it 😁
I was in my second amateur fight. I didn’t even see it, and I was down. Roadwork, in that instant, became jogging.
I honestly think Cr1tical dual wielding fleshlights would be too much for the fakers
Nice build.
fleshlights? lol
Moist Cr1tical's dildo throwing is the only martial art I'll ever need
I’m a jiu jitsu guy but I just gotta say that it’s interesting that the gracies didn’t invite any legit wrestlers or judoka to ufc1 😏😂
Exactly! The Gracies would've lost if the fighters weren't hand picked.
We'll never know.
The thing was little more than a well-organized stunt designed by the Gracie family to sell to people who would then become their customers (I mean students).
The gracies were just as bad as TMA. Cherry picking shit, acting like thugs, I have no respect for them and care less about the cult of gracies. I do like the art and like 10th planet though. But damn do I hate the origins and politics.
Look into Erik Paulson. They screwed him over. He would have revolutionized right away the whole mma game. He was well rounded and would have proven top dog.
Were dan Severn or Ken shamrock not legit wrestlers?
The old historical martial arts were tested in the battlefield. They only started to develop their mystic aspect after the advent of firearms. European knights mainly trained with weapons and wrestling.
The thing is every form of martial art got its strength and weakness. In the old day (and today) military learn multiple form of martial arts, to compensate for the strength and weakness of each fighting style. For example I use to learn Tae Kwon Do, this a a kicking base fighting style, the idea is "to get your enemy before they get you" consider human legs are longer, similar to that of a spear, but when use are in too much of a closer quarter, you can't use it. Martial art can be split into 5 category, leg strike, arm strike, throw down, take down and mild. Striking base is more about kicking and punching. Throw down and take down is mostly to use your opponent's strength against them. Mild base is about allowing a minimum fitness (e.g. old people and those with heart condition) Throw down and take down is good for taking on opponent much bigger and larger then you (e.g. a little girly girl vs a big strong man) striking base is better for fight a larger number of opponent. Mild base is only good enough for basic self defense. As a result, to be an all round fighter, you need to know multiple martial art, most professional cops and soldiers know 3 one fighting style in each of the 5 category. Special Forces such as Navy Seal, knows even more, a former Navy Seal was asked what martial art is best to protect yourself, instead he gave you a list of martial art you need to learn in a particular order, the first Jujitsu to train you in take down, then learn boxing to train your punching skill and so on. But the problem is, who got the time? And that is where mix martial art comes in, they incorporated the best of multiple form of martial arts and combine into one. So, its fighting strength is much stronger, then any traditional martial art. Bruce Lee himself also know 4 fighting style, before he created the first modern mix martial art Jee Keen Do. However, mix martial art still got its weakness. Take business school for example. Those who got an MBA (Master in Business Administration) needed to study 8 subject in all arena of business including, marketing, economic, finance and accounting, two subject in each, so they know everything about business. However, they know less about marketing, economic, finance and accounting compare to those who got a master in economic, finance, marketing or economic. And that is the problem, for example Thai kick boxing combine the best of punching and kicking base fighting style, it is much stronger compare to boxing (punching base) and Tae Kwon do (kicking base). But if you are in an elevator where you can't kick, you can only punch, boxing got an advantage over you. If for example, you are holding something important in your hand and you can only kick, Tae Kwon Do will kick your ass. (For example, I don't need to use my hand in a fight, I only need my legs) Most martial art masters will tell you both traditional martial art and modern mix martial art got its limitation.
The problem is with increase importance of fire arm base range combat and decrease of melee combat, there are simply not so much time for soldiers to train in martial art, let along been trained in multiple form of martial art, some country's military even got no martial art training anymore. Mix Martial art seem to be a perfect substitution, compare to having to learn multiple traditional martial arts. However, for Special Forces where they will find themself in many hand to hand combat environment, melee base fighting skill might mean life and death and most Special Forces world wide, are still highly trained in multiple hand to hand fighting style. In my opinion, for Special Forces, learn 3~4 types of traditional martial art (which is what they are already doing, anyway.) for ordinary army infantry, learn mix martial art because there are simply no time to learn so many different form of traditional martial art
Actually, European knights DID have their own martial arts. Nothing like schools or anything like that, just ways to grapple and topple the other. It's just since these stuff were mostly mouth-to-mouth stuff and considering acts of desperation. .Or ways to slip the mercy kill through enemy's visor, they weren't consider worth documented most of the time.
After all, not the most "chivalrious" way, to duke it out in mud
@@Gebunator There are actually european fight manuals that deal with unarmed combat. I believe Talhoffer and Fiori cover them in their manuals. Also, in europe there were many weapon based martial arts, like longsword fighting, sword and shield, polearm fighting. It was all largely forgotten when military technology developed. In the east there was much more emphasis on preserving their martial arts, whereas in europe it was considered obsolete. Today it is being brought back in the form of HEMA (historical european martial arts)
Dont forget greek pankration
@@A.J.K87 I was going to bring this up as well. European martials are a thing, if you compare the manuals for say forms using a 2 handed slashing sword, they are relatively similar to Japanese forms when using a 2 handed slashing sword. there is a youtuber called Metatron that goes into a great deal the history of combat, military in both European and Japanese cultures. because movies, and American culture to a degree idealize eastern martial arts and the fantasy aspect of it, they discount the absolute effectiveness of European knights.
Reporter: "So why didn't you ever try UFC back in the day?
Steven Seagal: * Pathological Liar intensifies *
Are you kidding? Do you even realize how many people could have died if he did? Ill have you know he knows aikido, which is a perfect martial art for redirecting your opponents energy as long as they move at 50% below normal speed. Once Seagal gets a hold of your wrist your only option is to flip and tumble like a moron while seagal gives you an arrogant smirk and wanks himself off believing that his bulshitdo actually works in real life.
"Sorry i been a mma master for like 47 years"
Like Bruce Lee once said “no style is the best style”
Anything that involves grappling is superior
@@melo7038 no its not
@@edge3369 yes it is
@@edge3369 watch me strip away all of your boxing training with one takedown into a full mount
@@PursuitSk8 watch me knee you in the face as you go for the take down, see i can say the same thing
I think the one thing MMA actually exposed was the idea of focussing on just one form of martial art in order to become the best overall fighter. And that includes BJJ, as even the BJJ-guys were adding standup striking and kicking at some point in order to not have to big of a weakness in their game.
Agreed. Even when I was in the military we’d practice all sorts of styles because only practicing one thing makes you weak in others just as not practicing enough and correctly will harm you when I comes time to perform. Some of the traditional styles are still practical when you get back to their basics but it’s the understanding of what the discipline is intended against that makes the difference. I’ve seen some gyms where they teach you to just kick randomly or these super complex moves that don’t work in panic/snap situation.
MMA didn't expose that at all.. in fact many people fall victim to that line of thinking when joining a mma gym... no system will ever product the best overall fighter, because there is no way to measure best over all fighter... a fighter in a ring knows a referee will break up the fight, knows there are rules and (usually) has agreed to them and so has their opponent (usually), and knows there's only one opponent... but in a real world scenario, the idea that no one is going to break up an encounter, or that there aren't rules can make a person freeze up. Add weapons on top of that (very few mma gyms practice weaponry at all, let alone a sanctioned competition for them), add in multiple opponents and the dynamic changes again...
@@notusingmyname4791 This is exactly why I'm always telling everyone I train MMA with to practice Krav Maga as well ... sometimes there are no rules.
That's a good assessment. I come from very old martial arts that predates Most of what people would describe as a fighting style. These are all pieces of larger styles focus down to a smaller set of moves . I think at this point mma Has condensed it to only a handful of moves. There seems to be a lack of creativity or kazure waza.... Techniques that are meant to be modified And techniques that are meant to be performed exactly how they are. In some ways it's silly to say that a fighting style developed over hundreds of years for every size and shape has no value. Some things were meant for the 6ft4 guy who's three hundred pounds, and some things were meant for the 5ft2 girl who's a hundred and twenty pounds. And that is why you have to find what works for you and discard. What doesn't because it wasn't meant for you.
"Our art is too deadly for MMA" lol
Will you be able to fight after finger jabs to the eyes and throat ?
@@mightymite3958 ask Jon Jones opponents. Dude does that all the time. He's a champ. Dirty mma is way superior to traditional bullshit.
Austin Gragg Ryan answered your question. First few UFCs proved what works in no holds barred fights. Nearly 30 years later some people still don’t get it
Austin Gragg yes
You must’ve missed every groin shot mma fighters taken WITH groin guard. Now imagine that without the guard. You literally don’t get it. It’s not supposed to be fair.
I have been saying this for at least a decade, but there are people that just won't accept that practical, intelligently applied brutality often wins over well polished style.
As a former student in northern and southern styles of Shaolin Kung Fu, i believe the traditional martial arts aimes at teaching more than self defense, but ethics, and culture.
The whole mysticism thing presented in the films of the 1980s was just well the 1980s haha. However corny or fantastic those movies were, what they did was motivate us and I interest us enough to pursue a passion. Like anything else you get what you put into it.
Later on in life as a boxer, i found a lot of traditional martial arts experience from the past extremely helpful and and easy to incorporate those basics into boxing. Shaolin was a seriously excellent foundation.
Respect to all martial arts, whatever helps you on the journey.
I have to admit that I think that martial arts without its mythology and mysticism will lose some of its charm, but that's me
MMA exposes traditional martial arts
Bruce Lee: First time?
Mister Guy Well you clearly don’t know too much
@Mister Guy I believe Bruce Lee never even existed.
Why peoples are worshipping this actor as martial artist. Same for this Jackie guy!
I bet if Bruce Lee still exist, he would tell the truth (he seem to be a honest guy)! The death makes this craziness more stronger! Like Kurt Cobain of Nirvana. wouldn't be that big of they didn't die young, or at least wouldn't be that mysterious.
Pffts! I hate drama! It's a root of all ignorance
Mister guy bruce practiced judo karate and akito after he learned those he blended them together to created his own style. MMA uses the same principles
@@thureintun1687 I think you might be a dumbass
People forget that MMA came from traditional martial arts. I remember early days of mma when wrestling Bjj was heavily favored, there were barely any high kicks, jump kicks, spinning backfists, hook kicks. Nowadays you see more of that and guys getting knocked out because of that. MMA is what it really is, mixed martial arts.
Because now any fighter who wants to be taken seriously, will seriously train on the ground. Now that a takedown isn't as easy to perform against someone trained to avoid it, and going to the ground isn't instant death, you have more people able to recover.
Josh M partially. It also has something to do with the fact it’s unexpected. Different techniques not used and finally used come off as a surprise, and can be utilized in your arsenal to throw off an opponent. Like the Superman punch, kicking off the wall, spinning back fist or elbow. They’re not your normal kind of moves. So it’s hard to prepare for them and you have no immediate reaction to them for a counter.
Traditional martial arts have a plethora of moves that still aren’t being used in mma. 10yrs from now the mma landscape will have changed and you’ll see how many new (old) techniques will be utilized. Anderson Silva and Lyoto Machida popularized the push kick. Old technique. Jon Jones with spinning elbows. Stephen Thompson hook kick. All traditional martial arts moves finally being used in mma.
Ken Shamrock was not mediocre tho
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What MMA did was, expose mediocre traditional martial arts instructers/schools who never should have been instructors.
I wouldn't say Traditional Martial arts isn't useful because a lot of MMA fighters have TMA foundation b4 doing MMA. I would say MMA allows TMA practitioners to adapt and make their skills applicable. I'm sure Traditional Karate ( no the sport version) is useful.
山本一夫 and in terms of self defense Judo is very useful as well, but I think the issue is people teaching it like it will make you untouchable or something
@@kaiflood6061 where do they teach it like that? Judo is something akin to boxing and is treated like an actual professional combat sport.
Aikido and other bulshido on the other hand are the ones claiming to make you invincible by paying for your instructor for the "techniques".
I dont think you have to be a professional caliber fighter to be a professional caliber instructor.
@@kaiflood6061 No, even one of my Judo teachers pointed out, Judo is not really a martial art but a sport with martial arts aspects. Realistically speaking, Judo isn't likely going to help you fight because you won't be able to throw a resisting opponent who is trying to punch you.
The Tao of Jeet Kune Do exposed the “fancy mess” traditional martial arts decades before the UFC.
Thats right, Bruce Lee had already done that and like he said the traditionalist lost the root of it so has the "mma" soo many rules and BS , in real combat there is no ref, no bell and no winning on points and fist bumps its just me surfing and an objective to seriously harm the opponent
JB LockeBB How do you explain Wong Jack Man???
@@mightymite3958 Every one forgets the name Wong Jack Man....
Joseph Singleton 1) considering that Lee wrote the book and developed the style AFTER the fight realizing his solid Wing Chun style was not effective enough and practical enough for the fight. “The fight took to long...” 2) No one knows who actually won that fight seeing as both sides (Lee and Man’s) state that their side won, with both not having a shred of physical evidence. So yeah, what about Wong Jack Man?
@@jblocke8814 I hate to do this to you because even though I mentioned Wong Jack man Bruce was one of my Idols growing up.
But to anyone that understands fighting and the martial arts the fact that he put those things in the book means that in his mind he lost that fight although he didn't admit it... one thing he was was honest to him truth and simplicity were Paramount; go back and re-read his books I'm pretty sure that I know a little bit more about martial arts than you do I started in 1977 there was no protective equipment and in my school we couldn't afford mats so you had to learn to fall properly. Bruce's philosophy was accurate to a point. He was absolutely correct it is the fighter not the style however he was limited to his way of thinking to his imagination which was considerable however, whatever style you practice the practitioner has a brain and when you practice at a certain level the fighter can become the form and the form is as limited as you are....
*When you realize*
UFC is basically the Tournament Arc in the Anime we call Life
And Jon Jones is the main villain, and cm punk is the underdog protagonist?
Khaybar idk where you’ve been but CM Punk’s character got written out of the series
@@khaybar4711 LOL cm punk is just canon fodder.
The Florida Man Of YT Comments 😂😂
Khaybar CM Punk is the Yamcha of the UFC 😂
When i was doing traditional Japanese Kempo, my sensei told me "Its called Martial-Arts...ARTS...theres an ART component to it. Learning moves and techniques like knife hand strikes which you will never use in a real fight situation".
why mislead ppl then
@@mimszanadunstedt441
It's never about misleading.
For every Art version of a style, there will always be a Martial version of a style.
My dad legitimately trained in an old-school very traditional Aiki-Jujitsu school and his experience with the style was less grace and more brutality. Eye gouges, punches to the plexus and the temple and hits to the spine were commonly taught in my Dad's training.
Martial art is the translation in Occidental country. But, this is not a very good translation because we don't have words with the same meaning that kungfu or busido
Taichi is part of kungfu, but this have nothing to do with fighting.
Anyway, find an honest instructor, with the mentality you want for your martial art, and there you go!
I teach karate, but I never said you will be king of fight. This could help, but you will need pressure testing, some more grappling, etc etc if you want to fight and only that
Knife hand to the throat is illegal for A REASON.
Bruce Lee was right from the begining...!!
He was the first in preaching the concept of MMA,
but actually few ppl understand him about that.
Nah there's a ton of nonsense surrounding him too, the whole Bruce Lee mystique, he would get whupped by a UFC bantamweight today
@@masrr3678
%100 facts... And l try not to say it out loud because the man even in death is still so loved...
bruce lee is fake
Sources please. For research. Thx
The dude who first applied MMA in real life was marco ruas.
In all honesty, MMA fighters also are in much better shape than most traditional martial artists.
While I feel most traditional train to be good at technique.
I feel most MMA fighters train to be enduring.
Kyokushin entered the chat..
Yeah but shape is not everything tho.
You only see MMA athletes in their PRIME of their 20s and 30s.
While maybe a traditional martial artist does not have an aestetic body, but have spent his last 50 years training his punches and kicks everyday, while having a job, etc.
But I agree, the average MMA fighter usually can beat the average traditional martial artist, since the second usually lack of physical fitness at all.
its because there on steroids
@Mister Guy preach dude. @Heragoth is hella naive
I Hate to burst some people's bubbles, but MMA came from traditional martial arts.
MMA is a sport and BJJ was made a sport from traditional Jujitsu.
If you search TH-cam you can see with all do respect Grand master Helio Gracie get defeated by Japanese fighter Kimura.
Their is martial arts in all styles of fighting from boxing to wrestling. My respect"s to al the martial artist who have devoted their lives to developing the best way of fighting.
mercapman
"I Hate to burst some people's bubbles, but MMA came from traditional martial arts."
The parts that actually work.
"MMA is a sport and BJJ was made a sport from traditional Jujitsu."
Yes MMA is a sport, but it is also a concept much like JKD, keep what works for you and discard the useless weight. There are plenty of mixed martial artists who have never officially competed. BJJ was not originally a sport in the beginning, it is a descendant of JJJ through Judo like you stated though. There are plenty of BJJ practitioners who do not compete in BJJ matches as well. Just because there is a sport side to an art does not mean that it is ineffective, if anything it highlights the strengths of the art. The arts that have no way to consistently pressure test their techniques through competition are the ones that are the most consistently defeated.
"If you search TH-cam you can see with all do respect Grand master Helio Gracie get defeated by Japanese fighter Kimura."
And your point being what?
@@stevenlarsson6887 both of you are right in your own way. But the argument about Kimura is true. Meaning that Judo or BJJ isn't the end all be all
@@socalbeachieboy6135 Hence the concept of MMA, cover as many bases as possible.
@@stevenlarsson6887 the best way is no way. I study multiple arts
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I could paraphrase Mike Tyson here: "Every fantasy martial artist has a plan until they get punched in the mouth".
Not sure this will even be read but.... I was a mma fighter for many years, in fact I won a middle weight title in an organization in the state of Indiana. I've trained Kali, Bjj, MMA and Aikido , along with hand full of other systems over the last 40 plus years. MMA exposed a lot about traditional martial arts and not all of it good or bad. I always felt I trained for actual self defense or combat reasons and for me no other aspect was needed, for me. However there are many other reasons to train traditional martial arts other than for real combat. MMA is lacking in that area, it is for only combat and competition. I can get into a ring /cage etc. and execute what I have learned from "traditional" arts and do just fine. BJJ isn't the beat all greatest thing since sliced bread that everyone tries to claim it is. Yes, it has benefits but BJJ doesn't work if your not on the ground (for the most part) a good placed kick or punch and you go out... end of story. All I'm saying is don't overlook the benefits of traditional martial arts. Plus ALL of MMA came from those "traditional" arts. In fact BJJ came straight from JUDO. Gracies were taught JUDO and they altered it into BJJ. Without the older "traditional" arts there wouldn't be MMA. The MMA explosion did wonders for my skills, no doubt about it. My entire outlook and the way I execute, teach and train has been altered by it but I still do Aikido, my way. I still use Aikido, Kali and all the other aspects of "traditional" martial arts that I learned, I just have mixed them and learned how to effectively use them, for real, and became proficient. Been retired from fighting since 05 and although I'm sure there is some rust in the tank I've rolled around to the idea that MMA is great and Traditional arts can be great too, just in a different way.
As a veteran Army paratrooper, I completely disagree. I don't know where this thought process comes from either. It's not like a muay thai fighter is going to fight the same on the street with his life in danger vs the ring. Then, you've got a muay thai kickboxer who's not afraid to bite, pull hair, eye gouge, low blow, etc. Having been to actual battle, I would take the more sport based, modern arts over the older traditional ones EVERY. SINGLE. TIME.
Also, let's not forget that the first ufc events truly were no rules. The only thing you couldn't do, and even then I'd have to check because it may have been legal, was biting. Everything else was allowed. The traditional arts who claimed that's exactly what they were made for, were all first round eliminations for the first couple dozen ufc events.
So, having been to battle AND trained in muay thai and mma, I'd take the muay thai and mma to war over Kenpo, aikido, hapkido, etc.
@@kenaultman7499 Muay Thai is a traditional martial art, since it has century-old history and rituals. It's just one of the rare cases of traditional martial arts that are also functional but yes the guy above is right - that MMA is born out of traditional martial arts. There is no exception to it.
@@boboverlord1 I think we can more easily differentiate by using, arts that don't incorporate hard sparring and pressure testing into their arts.
The end goal of training muay thai for most people is to compete/fight. The end goal of the arts that don't spar or compete, is usually learning forms or Kata. So, one ends up being good at fighting, and the other ends up being good at kata. You only get better at something by practicing it.
I used to train something called "chaiu do kwan" until i realised it was useless. Then years later discovered that the style wasn't even korean or traditional, it was actually invented in my country (Argentina) by some guys in the 70's. Then i started tae kwon do and when i got bored of it i started muay thai and then kick boxing. Now that's quite a "martial arts journey" for me xd. But i still want to learn some grappling
Absolutely try some BJJ. It's so fun!
if you're still in argentina you should be able to find a bjj gym near enough to join and id implore you to do so.
no one's skills are complete until they mastered both a striking and grappling discipline.
i think it matter less what those skills are than actually having them; we've seen muay thai, taekwondo and karate styles all do well in UFC, along with traditional greek and all american wrestling along with bjj.
Sukata Brothers in Caballito and Alliance in Las Cañitas are pretty legit, so it MMA Goa
Join a wrestling club, it's more fun.
i think mma exposed the effectiveness of many of these old practices.
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Big belly "Grand Masters" in magic puffy pants have been exposed beyond a shadow of a doubt.
The way I learned how to fight was I got bullied for like 10 years.
Same. I still had some misconceptions that needed to be refined though.
A blow to the nose or ear will end a fight and give you a chance to run. Or kill them, human legs are frighteningly strong.
Good
same here. funny how even the nice kid that everyone picks on eventually has a breaking point.
Kung Fu was seriously exposed by MMA. I wish it works as it looks so good but it only works in movies. Even when you see a Kung fu guy in the ring they quickly resort to kick boxing
Ed Tedeschi its called sanda.
Sanda/Sanhou is chinese kickboxing.
Hey Rokas I hate to tell u but "inexpensive international travel" still does not exist l
I live near Munich. A friend of mine from Chicago visited me two weeks ago and her flight did cost less than $200.
@@pillmuncher67 Munich? Where the fuk? Lol
@@thisisbaxter1354 where do you live where the public education is so bad that you haven't heard of major cities like munich?
Prove it.
@@kevingonzalez3673 200 Dollars? Absolute Bullshit. I live in Germany and the Flight alone Costs over 800 Euros to New York
street fights have exposed Martial arts for as long as there has been street fights and it has nearly nothing to do with styles it is the person doing the fighting
exactly im a amateur but i fought against a kung fu master who thougt he has easy game against me since i am basically untrained the difference he fought with rules and with ppl he knows i fought in the streets to survive ....i had only begun with kickboxing 4 months into it i met him at a grill party he didnt believe i had any chance nd we fought for 200euros for the winner so we went and fought on grass....after 3 hits...yes only 3 punches to the face he went ko nose bleeding mouth bleeding too...besides that i am smaller and heavier he is 192 cm 98kg i am 183 cm 113kg hes fist hit me but did little to no damage my fists broke hes legacy hes ''believe''in hes martial arts bullshit and he had to give me 200 euros i still wait for the rematch he backs out lol
Ojberretta Berretta at one point I thought martial arts was the end all be all of things. Doing all those fancy kicks seems cool, but they are ineffective in a real life situation. No one is going to stand there and let you hit them with a wild spinning tornado kick! Half of these martial artist has never been in a fight in their life before. I have a minor back ground in martial arts, but I’m a street fighter before anything else. I believe if you spent years in martial arts and never got into a fight, you wasted your time
@@miguelrobb5719many years ago I read a black belt magazine, the topic was "why the average BOXER usually wins against the average martial artist"
The reason was pretty simple.
In boxing, they are preparing you to spar alot faster than in traditional martial arts,
You learn how to take a hit and stay calm very soon while in many to traditional martial arts you can go all the way to blackbelt never having any real sparring at all. You don't k is what it's like to be punched in the face.
Basically a boxing gym has mentally prepared you for fighting.while the dojo often has not
I did kempo karate before the instructor is legit. I karate styled kick someone in the torso before the guy flew some distance. It depends on how teaching and how skilled one is. But alot these MA teachers are frauds people are safer from learning boxing/kickboxing.
@@miguelrobb5719 If you just randomly threw a tornado, you aren't going to get far in even in the least demanding of sparring sessions. You have to know how to set that up first.
let’s not forget MMA came from Traditional martial arts
"Gracie Jiu Jitsu was clearly superior"
KAZUSHI SAKURABA sends you remembrance...
First UFC was set up with mediocre fighters so the gracies could win and get more people to practice their art. And there was nothing original in that since it was brought to Brazil by the judoca "Conde Koma".
When it became more popular, gracie's hegemony was broken, and when they decided to fight in japan... well, back to the beginning of this comment.
Bill Wallace could tell you how shady UFC and the Gracies were.
Yep it’s totally not a core element of modern mma besides boxing wrestling judo and Muay Thai. Some people i swear
It should be obvious to anyone who is at least half awake. In the event that was used here the first fight was the karate guy and the sumo guy. The karate guy broke his hands but they let the fight continue. The sumo guy loses a tooth and all of a sudden they stop the fight. The sumo guy wanted to continue and argued about it, but it was a no go, they ended the fight without a tap or a knockout, while both fighter's were willing to continue. Gracie would never have beat a guy that big with grappling, but apparently a guy that big is no problem for a striker. All the other fighter's there had no grappling experience and Gracie ended up fighting the karate guy with broken hands. Let the sheeple cry and argue about it. The only thing being proven here is how ignorant people are.
There is no superiority in martial arts.There are pple in traditional martial arts who are coming out to the octagon and kicking ass because they’ve added to their arsenal and keep an open mind as to what’s going on currently
@pat mat wrong, dipshit. Sakuraba was a catch wrestler and freestyle wrestler. He was of the Frank Gotch school of catch wrestling, a grappling art very similar to BJJ in most aspects. There was NOTHING traditional about his training.
Like the video only criticism is the idea of "traditional" martial arts. Boxing and wrestling are both old and traditional but are arguably the most effective. I think you interviewed someone who used the term conceptual martial arts which seems a better fit.
Boxing isn't traditional. If we break down word 'traditional' in that context we'll see that there is in fact nothing traditional about boxing. Tradition means passing down something. If we check the history of boxing we'll see that it's been changing so much that the only thing that hasn't been changed was the name itself. Instead of passing down boxing throws everything away and reinvents itself to fit modern standarts of sports environment. Not to mention how many schools of boxing with their own tactics and strategies existed out there. And wrestling is even hard to define as martial art. After all there are too many schools that fit that category which is both traditional and brazilian jiu-jutsu, judo, greek-roman wrestling to name a few.
MUAY THAI
KYOKUSHIN KARATE ARE ALSO TRADITIONAL AND THEY ARE BOTH EFFECTIVE LEODO MACHIDA USED KYOKUSHIN KARATE AND ADESANIYA USED MUAY THAI ALOT AND BOXING IS ALSO VERY EFFECTIVE BUT ITS NOT TRADITIONAL BUT FOR ME BOXING IS MY FAVORITE
@@Luffytaro39 Muay Thai is too diverse to be called traditional. It's very similar to calling karate traditional. There are probably plenty of schools down there in Thailand. It's their traditional national sport for sure. However it is arguable how traditional it is as MA. Kyokushin is not traditional either. It's very sports like. It took a lot from taekwon-do actually since the founder is korean. Hence why there is so much emphasis on kicks on competitions like doumawashi for example. And it too has a lot of schools each with their own approach only doing traditional practices from time to time as sort of gratification. E.g. there is a russian shihan in Saint-Petersburg that actually applies a lot of cross-fit exersices and some of the american footbal drills in his training routine to prepare his students for competitions.
@@Mr440c Mas Oyama is Japanese but Korean born. He formed Kyokushin from Shotokan and Goju Ryu
@@Mr440c boxing is past down for years and it evolves that's tradition
"It only works on the street."
Transition: You might have some success if you use these techniques against someone who is not trained in any way. Ideally when your opponent has never been in a fight... and is smaller than you... and isn't paying attention when you strike.
Good Comment and very true
Well shit I hope it would after all very few people do combat training.
I practiced Hard Aikido for 8 years. When I complained about how ineffective many Aikido moves are in a street fight, I get bashed and given punishment. Street fighting was banned in our club but I go out to the streets and learnt what works and what doesn't. I spared Karate, Taekwondo, Juijitsu and Boxing professional and discovered that fighting should be a last option. Getting the other person to retreat is your first objective.
It's also changed the way martial artists behave. Back in the day, it was about discipline and respect for your opponent. Now you see MMA fighters talking trash, getting in trouble with the law, and fans celebrating martial artists who act that way.
Thats one of the main reasobs traditional ma do thrive now. Its about culture as well.
"Wooden doll no hit back."
Thanks for this video. I think your explanations and reasons are all excellent. I have personally studied traditional martial arts for a number of years. One thing I've learned that I think many traditional martial artists tend to forget is that at one point, their art was itself a mixed martial art. Many styles came about because a practitioner of some older style noticed the weaknesses in that style and set out to come up with something better. Modern MMA is just a continuation of that legacy. I truly believe that there are things we can learn from traditional martial arts, but one would have to study many different styles to be a well rounded and effective fighter. Today, it's much easier to join an MMA school and get a bit of everything in one place.
One place I also see most traditional martial arts lacking is in physical conditioning. Many schools seem to have forgotten that fighting is extremely taxing physically. I see many martial artists that are out of shape and then they think they can keep up when things get going. That's simply not the case and it's something MMA has figured out.
Don't forget Xu Xiaodong. A 40-Year-Old guy that learned MMA where he tried to breakdown the mindset in China how Tai Chi masters are supernaturally powerful even though Tai Chi is not as practical as MMA. So he gets challenged all the time by various Martial Arts master and hasn't lost once. Which is what made him shunned by his own Country since China is trying to promote Tai Chi. It's like a reverse IP man.
Oh yeah that chad, he KO'ed Ma baoguo with one swift strike and gave the chinese community a wonderful meme.
Also i believe Zhang shanfeng (creator of taichi) created it as a meditation method and breathing exercise as to train the other styles of kung fu (such as snake style), which makes Taichi more of an exercise than fighting style
Like he's good....but he's going around beating the shit out of old people.
"Question and test yourself." Yes!
What's the point? If I write the test, I already know the answers.
Bit of a click bait title but understandable.UFC along with the advent of social media made people question some so called traditional martial arts.understanding the limitations of our arts we can become better martial artists even us the traditional ones.funakoshi sensei was taught by more than one person.the pursuit of knowledge is a core quality of a traditional martial artist.
I don't think it's clickbait. UFC gave people of all backgrounds the chance to compete, and showed that most "traditional" martial arts sucks when put to the test
That's the thing though, isn't it? Traditional in no way means "set in stone forever and can not be changed". If anything, mixing styles was part of martial arts tradition for centuries before MMA.
This is the most honest video on the issue of martial art styles I've seen. MMA has truly revealed the truth of the effectiveness of martial arts in a semi-real event thru UFC, Bellator and other sanctioned fighting events. The true revelation of martial arts effectiveness: The rise of Bare Knuckle Fighting which I hope evolves into Bare Knuckle MMA.
Considering your martial arts background and the growth you have gone through, you are deserving of all the respect you could get. It's admirable that you have had the courage to doubt your own style and test it against others in order to learn. This takes balls and you have my fullest respect :)
RedeemerNDestroyer it seems more when he practiced akido he lacked self confidence and resolve. Not akidos fault. It took coming to the USA and and getting his butt whooped to have his testis drop and start to grow. I stopped following him months ago as he’s kinda just a whiner.
I agree! He has been brainwashed! Viking Samurai had a guy on his channel that is trained in Aikido and who works as a security guard and a bouncer. There is footage of him using Aikido in a street fight situation. He makes short work of the guy using Aikido. He also called out Rokas and basically said he was not trained correctly! The thing is all these martial arts that you see in MMA are from traditional martial arts. Kickboxing is Japanese, MT is from Thailand, BJJ was brought to Brazil by Japanese immigrants that were trained in Judo and they emphasized submission grappling. The Gracies didn’t invent BJJ it was taught to them. It was just called Judo at the time. If it was not for Jigoro Kano, Mitsuyo Maeda and Geo Omori we would not have BJJ as it is known today.
Anyways, you’re right! Rokas gets on here and cries about Aikido and shits all over anything that you don’t see in UFC. 🤦♂️
You should listen to what Bill Wallace has to say about the first UFC. It was in an interview with the Karate Nerd.
Whammer79 I agree with some points you have but there were a lot of guys practicing extreme fighting before the UFC....a great fight was between Benny 'the jet' Urqudez and a Thai champion .... Urquidez didn't know that he was going to get low kicked and after a few he got pissed off at the Thai and started using judo throws on him .... Dirk Rofus got his legs destroyed fighting a Thai champ .... and what a shame Saenchai the ' giant killer ' wasn't in the first UFC..... and what about the Gracie's ambushing the founder of luta libre ? They are very ambitious and have taken Judo 🥋 and made it BJJ ..... I could go on forever but my point is there were many extreme fighters before UFC
Whammer79 ...... www.usadojo.com/benny-urquidez/ He has 9 black belts and was boxing at 5
Whammer79 en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vale_tudo all before UFC .... from the 20's and still practiced
@Absolutely nothing on my channel Benny the "Jet" have the Gracies in his prime.
@Whammer79 Shamrock said it was a gi choke.
Anyway, he put the blame of his loss in the fact that he wasn't allowed to wear wrestling shoes during the fights, while Gracie himself had been allowed to wear his gi and choke Shamrock with it. "[Wearing shoes] is a lot of the set ups and the positions for my leglocks- being able to get my knee inside, being able to spin and push off, and being able to secure the leg. You take the shoes off, it's like being on ice on the mat if you've never done it before."[38]
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ken_Shamrock#First_UFC_rivalry:_Ken_Shamrock_vs._Royce_Gracie
My small addition is: Once you realize your style doesn't work, don't throw it out of the window so quick. Learn from the experience. Find a good MMA Gym, get yourself trained in effective techniques and revise your past learnings. Because sometimes shitty martial arts school have great techniques but no means to teach their possible applications.
You see this cinematic Kung Fu or even fake Kung Fu schools (which are even more dangerous than legit "ballet Kung Fu"), they're fake as hell, but you learn to throw a kick and a punch anyway. Will it teach you how to fight? Damn no. But once you learn how to fight properly, you can try a different kicking or punching technique. And if it still feels crap, at least now you KNOW it's crap.
Not every MMA gym is gonna teach you anything effective. I recently had a friendly match with an "MMA bro" at my uni who constantly tried to unsuccessfully double-leg me and I ended up elbowing him in the back of the head. Safe to say he accused me of using an illegal move, even though that's permitted at the Ashihara Kaikan gym I train at. Bottom line, when people train for a ruleset that prohibits any move that would counter the main focus of their training, they are ultimately going to be ineffective as well. Also, training on a soft mat might help protect their backs during training, but also encourages going to the ground in situations where they could get seriously injured. While MMA is among the most complete and applicable forms of martial arts, the way some instructors teach it might be quite far from what self defense means.
We had padded helmets on. And if you think downward elbows are a dirty move, please don't ever try to fight outside of a ring. You might find the "ruleset" a little too brief for your tastes.
Rulesets are less important than dynamic training when it comes down to effectiveness. I started in Kung Fu, my school was pretty dynamic and emphasizing that taolu helps technique but fighting is learned fighting, not repeating choreography.
So as much as rulesets go, I tend to fear more a good boxing athlete than a "no rules real fighting" douche. The boxer can only punch but he can punch very proficiently.
@@sonnylost2179 Calling an actual martial artist a douche for fighting by the ruleset his style allows and even teaches is pretty damn stupid and ignorant, don't you think? I don't kick people in the balls or gouge their eyes, but if they are dumb enough to repeatedly put their heads and necks in danger, I just don't see why they shouldn't get what's coming their way. But then again, the UFC was run by the Gracies as a way to promote their style and being able to actually punish an ineffective shoot wasn't part of their curriculum, so they decided that giving BJJ yet another edge was in order. Hate on me all you want, but I bet you realize that relying too much on an unsafe and risky move like that is gonna get you a concussion.
@@virgilthemob1242 I have more important concerns than hating a John Dor on the internet just because he chooses what to read and understand from my comments.
It was Bruce Lee who first tried to expose traditional martial arts though he was not generalizing all. We all can say that he's the father of MMA, his ideas are now manifesting in current MMA world. What a legend.
Judo Gene Lebell had an MMA fight in 1963 against Milo Savage well before Bruce Lee was a star, and that was just here in the states. Heck even Mohamed Ali fought a wrestler in the late 70s. Bruce Lee talking about it wasn't the pioneer, the guys doing it were the pioneers.
@@bryantharris5914 it has nothing to do with making different martial arts clashes between each other.
bruce lee spoke about mixing all the practical aspects of martial arts and not being a one dimensional practitioner.
@@appiustheimperial6149 You're saying that clashes between different martial arts has nothing to do with different martial arts clashing between each other? That makes no sense.
@@bryantharris5914 The point is that Bruce Lee is the father of mma because he talked about making a practical fighting style that contains wrestling, grappling, boxing, kicking etc. and that has nothing to do with your statement about fights between different styles.
@@appiustheimperial6149 That's like saying a cave man fathered flight because he saw a bird and imagined flying. Lee was a great movie star.. that's majority of his resume, he didn't invent MMA. He just suggested taking useful things and discarding things that didn't work. That's a far cry from a comprehensive training regiment producing fighters comfortable in all aspects of fighting.
Hey Rokas, check out an older fighter Fred Ettish, he fought in UFC II. I think he was a 5th Dan in traditional Karate. His story is really interesting. Not just because he lost badly, but the way the Karate community treated him for 'embarrassing' the art. I mean guy goes to test his skills (like someone you might know) and realizes real quick he's in the deep end of the pool without the ability to defend himself. Then he has to deal with being mocked and hated by his community. Lead to a ton of personal struggles divorce, suicidal thoughts, etc.
Anyway, he dedicates himself to learning MMA and then in 2009 fights again in an MMA fight (this time winning). He'd likely be in his 60s now, but maybe a guy who's journey mirrors you own to a degree.
ufc should introduce improvised weapons into the octagon to simulate what works in a prison
I survived 6 years in a maximum security prison with kickboxing and basic combative grappling. Prisoners are only lethal in groups, and if you scare them bad enough not even then.
@@joshuaslawncare5672 cool story bro
Or Slash em ups
Prison is another level because if you cant fight your ass in gonna be broken in. Nothing motivates people more than that.
Thicc Boi Best Day lol yes prison never again
Fighting has come full circle back to Pankration ...
Pankration is what Europeans called it I'm sure every culture has their own version of it.
@@hainleysimpson1507 of the exact same style?
It also became a type of cult in which it's members seem to be in the obligation to comment in every video that if it's not mma, it's a waste of time and stupid. as long as you are conscious of the pros/cons of what you are practicing and what your goal is, then traditional arts are great. If you do aikido because it's fun to you and helps you "understand" your body, and you are not shoving out money in a mcdojo, then it's fine, just try to keep your mind and ego centered in the reality that it has severe limitations.
There are so many reasons to practice a martial art, that reducing it to simply fighting on the street is a shame
I completely understand what you are saying but a lot of the "Dojo" instructors now "demonstrate" their art against multiple opponents, disarming knife and gun wielding would be attackers, and charge disgusting prices to do so.
If they could disclose that. It's a lower level fitness class that has amazing body strengthening abilities, then that would be fine. But they don't. They claim it's a deadly mysterious fighting art that can kill if used correctly.
If, like you say you do it for fun and to compete in a "sport" context if that is a passion you have then that's fine, but I don't see a point myself in learning a fighting art or even calling it a martial art if, well, your not going to learn how to fight.
I done Shotokan karate for nearly 2 decades, and in between I boxed and now I box exclusively. But the first time I sparred properly was boxing and I realised my karate was hopeless but I continued to do it because I enjoyed it on a spiritual level but it was now flawed in my mind and I could never quite have the same love for it as I knew in a real life situation it was no good without supplementing it with heavy boxing sparring. I was also disqualified from 3 competition for "hitting without control" whatever the fuck that means.
Ahem, Rokas.
What you say is true but styles get advertised along the lines of learn this devestating martial art and defeat all comers which obviously isn't true
For a great base in MMA you could go to any high school or college in the US and learn to wrestle. The modern MMA/UFC has more former wrestlers than all the Kung Fu specialists. Internatioal wrestling is far more effective than any traditional Chinese martial arts.
There's a reason boxing is called the sweet science. Experimentation will always leave you in a better spot than stagnation
This is why the pedigree of skill in professional boxing far surpasses any other martial art. Well that, and the fact it pays so much.
Great video, but what's worrying me as someone who does BJJ is that increasingly I'm seeing the "traditional" mentality slowly creep in to BJJ. Some examples of things I've heard from the BJJ community:
1) Even though I'm only 150lbs, I could still take Deontay Wilder down and armbar him, cause I know BJJ
2) I don't need to learn striking, I know BJJ so I'll just know how to avoid strikes and take someone down.
3) It doesn't matter if my takedowns suck in class and I can't do them against even small white belts... for sure I would be able to do them against a much larger, stronger person in a "street fight".
And other such nonsense. I love BJJ, but it's diverged radically from MMA in a lot of places. I feel BJJ is at a tipping point: it may end up in many schools being closer to TMA than it would to MMA.
Good points
for self defense no 1 2 and 3 still apply keeping in mind that most people cant even run a mile and have never kicked or striked in their whole life, and that is MOST people like a VERY large portion of the worlds population. I would like to add that I am talking Gracie Combatives BJJ and not berimbolo sports jiu jitsu.... Enough proof out here in TH-cam that it destroys untrained persons in the street.
@@arnonabuurs7297
You realise with statements like that you're simply proving my underlying point about the BJJ community and where it's potentially going, right?
@@iorekby no not at all, these are merely facts.
@@arnonabuurs7297 No, they're your subjective, non-empirical opinions. You haven't provided any empirical data to verify those. In fairness, I only offered anecdotal observations as well, but notice I didn't present them as "facts".
Dude with your journey you could definitely make a movie. You went from defenseless teen a Aikido master to MMA BBJ warrior that found his destiny
Moral of the story. Those 80s movies were horseshit kids.
Exactly. I think the Asian folks knew this, but the westerners bought the movies hook line and sinker. It's kinda like if westerners used John Wayne movies as a way to tech gun fighting techniques to Asians.
@@Dan.50 Oh no man they knew shit, they still have problems accepting it meanwhile the west has fully transformed since the 90s. There is a Chinese MMA fighter daring any MA Master in a fight. Even though they fall like flies they still cant accept that their silly acrobatics are worth shit. The dude I'm talking about is in the video he has become a somewhat hated figure for the government since they see this as him destroying their heritage and an Idol for the Chinese kids who are seeing what ACTUALLY works and no bullshit elitism titles, brainwashing dojos, monks and "masters"... Its a matter of national pride for them, thats why MMA hasn't really caught on in China and Asiia overall.
I think it just matters how hard you train. There was a karate master who on film would kill bulls sometimes with a single blow. I met a guy before at a job I had didn't think much of him quiet kept to himself. Happened to later walk through the office and see correctional papers sitting out on a desk. So curiosity of course I read that shit... Come to find out he went to prison had gotten out off manslaughter. The other guy involved googled his name was a local amateur league Mma fighter. Eventually I asked him about it reluctantly he said he'd never had any training he would shadow box hard every night and that's it had done that for years. He went to a bar one night and a girl dumped her drink on herself and tried to cause a problem. Then the other guy wanted to go outside over it so eventually they did. He hit him once very hard and the guy went into convulsions and started puking stopped breathing. He knew something was wrong but didn't realize he had killed him. He was younger and freaked out so he put the guy in his car. Then drove him to a nearby hospital and really messed up by just dumping him at the er and leaving the scene. I can tell he wishes he could take it back and regrets everything now. And with a family and kids I think it helps him cope. Point being in reality sometimes formal training helps and sometimes it just doesn't matter.
Being as an Asian, I still believe them until Xu Xiaodong which MMA Chinese fighter who exposed fantasy style. The 2 clips in the video show him beating up the "masters" with "Mystic Chi" power who talk craps to other style.
Wushu Association is a Billion of Dollars Industry in China, let'a that sink in and that's why Xu Xiaodong has to wear clown painting when he fights.
@@fireteamomega2343 Well Westerners can take one to Manny blows and still while te floor with an Asian. Sorry FACTS SPREK im not trying to be a smart moutgh here. But Asians should stick to the Matrix. Fighting No no no no, and thats what this landsman of yours is teaching you. Noboddy gives a shit about your snake or tiger style when he is off to break your neck.
And thats what he does he is destroying Asian BULLSHIT CULTURE one elbow at a time.
Grandmasters falling like fairies.
well, i do know of some people using Karate to protect themselfs on the streets. People who were raised in tough parts of the town were tested on daily basics. The problem is that Karate has been soooo water down to the point some school are only Kindergardens with a Karate theme rather than Martial Arts Schools.
ED HEr my younger brother used to train karate because he always got picked on by guys bigger than him but hes now practicing boxing because one time he got beat up bad by our local bullies he told me the things they thought him at karate didnt work on the streets. He told me boxing was more useful
Karate can be useful
I train at a very good school that trains self defense and sport karate
Although there is a lot of watered down Karate, I don't think Karate is the biggest offender in terms of the ineffectiveness of traditional martial arts. Specially if you can find an actually good school.
@@Slimronin karate can give a pretty good fighting foundation if you practice hard. It does have useful technicques. The thing is that it takes time to get that foundation. A couple of months are not enough. In boxing, you can learn to be a strong fighter in less time, so maybe that was what your brother needed. But no, karate is not useless.
When i was a kid i thought wwe was real 😂 🤣🤣
When I was a kid, we used to wrestle like that for real. We though it was safe. Full Nelson's (Billy Jack Haynes), Camel Clutch (Iron Sheik), Elbow Drop (Hogan), and Boston Crab were the bread a butter. lol Alot of people suffered with the Boston crab and Camel Clutch. I know I got the Boston Crab tested on me and couldn't breath. It was basically a can you get out of it challenge. My friend got challenged, and the one kids used a full nelson which he got out of. Then he applied the Boston Crab and near sat on the kids head. That kid quit fast.
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Pro wrestling is bizarre in that, while most of it isn't remotely practical in a real fight, it all hurts like hell, lol.
A friend of mine in grade school (who was admittedly much stronger than me) once nearly knocked me unconcious with a submission hold he invented that was part torture rack, part choke hold. I tapped out but he wouldn't let go of it, lol.
back in the day even adults thought it was real
For real lol I find out its fake and I'm like "now you tell me?.. I just done suplexed this poor guy for real"
One of the most honest videos on the realities of martial arts in our time. From someone who teaches defensive tactics to people who will have a 100% probability that they will engage in some type of use of force encounter, thank you.
1 thing missing from the discussion is the discipline of Martial arts. Each one of the traditional martial arts had a higher degree of Mental Discipline. Not to say that MMA/UFC lack Discipline they do, But traditional arts were oriented on Cultural Discipline, verse Fighting Discipline. You put them together and you get mixed martial art of fighting in the ring.
I agree the REAL traditional martial arts has a spiritual component too it which balances the ego. The MMA fighters I've come across lack humility. Although we may love to train and test our skills in fighting it doesn't negate the fact that fighting is dangerous and not every body is going to fight you the same especially in the street.
We Can only settle this at the ''KUMITE''
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@@BeardofBeesPool LOLOL
@@BeardofBeesPool that was a good one bro lol
It's like the difference between hockey and figure skating
There are techniques that can’t be done on the ring. Eye gouging, striking someone’s throat.
MMA is a sport first, that can be useful as a self defense. No different than boxing or wrestling. But there are martial arts schools, especially those taught to military and police forces that have an entire different purpose. Which is to maim, incapacitate and destroy. I feel that a lot of mma techniques, especially bjj, are designed to subdue and win a match without actually seriously hurting the opponent.
There is definitely a lot of bullshit arts out there but mma is not the end all of be all. How should someone that practices an actual self defense where anything goes test themselves? You want people to jab an eye? Rip an ear off? Strangle someone until their heart stops beating? Dislocate a knee or arm? Or pick up an improvised weapon? You realize how quick matches would be if this was allowed? And how short fighters careers would be?
BJJ is only for 1 v 1 fight
There is so much delusion in this comment
@@lucubri1678 How is that delusional? Seems to be a very reasonable view. Incapacitating someone by damaging their larynx or gouging their eyes or causing trauma by biting off someone's nose or ripping their lips/ears, are all effective techniques that want your special forces to use in the right situations. Especially as they cause disproportionate trauma compared to the effort/strength needed. They're very efficient techniques but you certainly don't want to see that in a modern MMA/UFC match. You'll get thrown in jail for that.
Practise makes perfect. If your training to gouge someone eye, you'll never actually do it. Mean while a boxer punsh and get punshed basically as soon as he start training.
The result is if have both of these fighting, one has experience the other doesn't
@@karimchaffai5922 There will be situations where security forces need to use force that will cause permanent damage or worse. Yes shooting a terror suspect from afar is usually preferable, but there may be circumstances where you have to physically stop them. And not everyone carries firearms in some countries: if absolutely needed, I expect a police officer to defend herself against a larger attacker by attacking their eyes.
Mma exposed Martial arts
Mma signification : Mixed Martial Arts 🤦♂️
"How to test your Martial art" when you go to tournaments and other dojos complain you are "too rough" and "make too much contact" You get yelled at and even disqualified for landing a punch or a kick. When you are a lower belt like green and go up against another dojo's 2nd degree black belt and easily beat them. When you use your techniques in a bar fight and manage to not get hurt.
If you are going hard in a light contact competition you are proving nothing other than that you are an egotist and untrustworthy. If you want to fight hard enter a full contact fight where the other person expects the level of contact, rather than exploiting rules.
Under these conditions I'd recommend going to an MMA gym which does hard sparring. I'm sure they won't mind hard punches or kicks
Natalie Shannon you probably won't understsand this but your greatest opponent is you, on many different levels. If your not skilled enough fix what you break, you're not really that skilled....
@@MartialArtsJourney THe point isnt going to an MMA gym. If you go hard in a light sparring session in an MMA gym you are still being dangerous and disrespectful. Style is not the issue here. Not all TMA lack practical application, sparring and realistic fight training.
So you have no control or awareness.... And blame others in their environment 🤔
I think MMA proved traditional martial arts to be absolutely legit I mean what’s more traditional than boxing and wrestling they are the oldest forms of unarmed combat on earth lol
We all know what the term means.
jsmall10671 I think the term traditional martial arts was severely misunderstood what most people are speaking of is theatrical martial arts, arts that are more about form than function. I also don’t like the term martial art, I think things like boxing,wrestling, jujitsu should be called martial technique instead of art. Just my opinion nothing serious lol
@Zwenk Wiel Kung fu hasn't changed? First of all, kung fu literally translates to "ability." Chinese martial arts were changing constantly. Arts that assumed fighting on plains vs mountains, arts that assumed long vs short weapons, even arts that were designed to have some use with 19th century firearms.
The perception of kung fu is mostly from Guangdong province. Hilariously, those guys were some of the worst fighters from China. Poland put up a better fight in WW2 than Guangdong did against Guangxi.
They don't mean boxing and wrestling wiseacre.
Do you know how long kung fu has existed? Wrestling is new shit in comparison.
They CALL it "Mixed Martial arts" but, its really just: Kick-boxing with wrestling. I've never seen anyone use arm-locks, wrist-locks, nor do any nerve strikes, elbow strikes nor any of the things that Asian martial arts teaches.
UFC is the like science lab of physical combat theories; the BS was trimmed and the good ideas remained. Leaving this lab was MMA. This respects that all had some good ideas but no style was perfect or had all the answers. It was only together that they were perfect; thus the sum of all cultures and all generations. A physical combat philosophy that honors the whole earth.
@Dodadeus Yep... No bitting, no eye-poking, no hits in genitalia. That is not realistic.
_Sky_ yeah, try your eye poking against a striker who knows grappling as well. Good luck with your Steven seagal crap
Dodadeus weapons training? Are you a soldier who is constantly in combat? Because if you’re not, the day someone pulls out a gun or a knife in front of you, you better run. Any bullshit like Krav Maga, aikido, etc. These are all only based on hypotheses. Guess what? real life is not an hypothetical situation.
@@JoeyD696 in Krav Maga they are literally teaching you to run off in such situations.
@@JoeyD696 Exactly my point actually. For example, bitting is an awesome self-defense tool against a lot of grappling situations.
2:56 My Boy just walks into the octagon and Hitler salutes the crowd 😂
Gerard was a nazi
before fighting a black dude
According to Wikipedia: "Gordeau's debut caused a minor controversy because he appeared to do a Roman salute before the match, gaining him accusations of being a neo-nazi, but it was explained that he was actually doing the traditional savate salute. Gordeau has, in fact, a Jewish ethnic background by his father having been a Jewish man from France. His grandfather was also shot at the Amersfoort concentration camp for being part of the Dutch resistance."
So, far from being a Nazi, he is part Jewish.
@@TheSjdeagles Teila Tuli is Hawaiian, of Samoan descent.
@@nightsong81 and you can tell, too. dude is as wide at the shoulder as he is tall. only the samoans are shaped like that.
Bruce Lee said all of this many years ago. If anyone watched the deleted scenes of the game of death you will see where martial arts was headed
Early UFC was heavily biased for BJJ (still is today with the rules against "grounded opponents"). The representatives of other martial arts wasn't really there in the early days. That said, the message in the video is 100% correct.
Honestly, saying that mixing different martial arts fighting styles together has “exposed” traditional martial arts is sort of like saying that working out and using steroids has exposed traditional non-steroidal working out. They’re simply two different things serving different purposes.
I think it was a little chicken of the Gracies to make sure no Judoka were invited to UFC 1
Not so much chicken as it was good marketing.
Why? It was a submission only tournament so it’s pretty unlikely a judo player would win. Even if they got a takedown as soon as they were on the ground they’d have been tapped for sure. Even Olympic judo players like Rhonda Rousey weren’t knocking people out with their throws
@@Neutronb0mb no wrestlers neither
Slider X apart from Ken Shamrock....
Slider X and again as early UFCs showed again and again wrestlers then couldn’t compete with BJJ guys because they only had takedowns and no real submission game
Every time this person has posted a video it reminds me of the kid who used to get beat up because he took a few karate classes and didn't understand the difference between the Do and the Jutsu...
MMA is a great sport exciting to watch but even that doesn't resemble real life fight and it is not close...
As someone who has practiced martial arts when I first started to learn the bullies still would get the best of me. I started studying at the age of 10 at around 15 years of age karate Jutsu became karate do for me. And the things I learned in the dojo started working in the street. MMA came from mixing traditional art together. MMA owes its foundation to traditional martial arts and the most enduring champions in MMA I'm talking about the ones who are not one hit wonders all have a firm solid grounding in traditional Arts if it is your goal to be an enduring MMA fighter study a minimum of three years in a traditional art so that you understand the body mechanics involved in techniques.
The Jutsu without the do looks very good and can work but the substance is in the do.
Right now I'm trending on TH-cam there's a Chinese MMA fighter who is supposedly exposing traditional Masters. I noticed that this fighter has never challenged to any of the Shaolin Fighters nor has he challenged the Masters ofWu-Tang or practical Tai Chi. And when an American Wing Chun i Master challenged him directly he turned it down. Look it up traditional is the way to go until you are grounded and know what you're doing then Branch out... and once you understand what you're doing you'll learn that a punch is a punch and a kick is a kick however, it's not... and you find that there are ten thousand paths leading to the same Apex at the top of the mountain.....
Well spoken! The problem with these video's is that they draw a lot of "this doesn't work, that works" and so forth but well said.👏👍
@ cool I live in Norfolk Virginia let me know when you want to come
@ you might get lucky cuz I'm guessing I'm like twice your age. Since many times you shouldn't have any difficulty... I might learn something
Hey man. I love watching your videos. This is another video that explains so much. Thank you for creating them.
That Chinese dude who is beating tai chi masters is actually a super sad story. The Chinese government was using pride in traditional martial arts to spark patriotism in its citizens. This man has been severely punished by his government for exposing traditional martial arts. Hes forced to wear clown make up, hes had his traveling rights revoked, and his credit score has been lowered. He was even disowned by his own mma school that he had been teaching at for years. And after he beat a wing Chung (idk if that's spelled right) the officials of the fight called it a draw. His first time not winning a fight since he started his campaign against traditional martial arts.
He beat the shit out of that wing chun guy. It was an ass whoopin.
His story scared the shit out of me in terms of me visiting China
I have this real strong feeling China is extremely racist towards foreigners.
If they would humiliate this Chinese MMA guy, what would they have done to a foreigner?
How Bruce Lee's philosophy turned traditional martial arts into a commercially successful sport called MMA
He was a bullshit artist too and never fought.
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No he actually fought tho... I still see your point. Most of them never fight and get humiliated in a fight. Tho, BL was actually unbeatable.
Who did he beat?
I don't think it's fair to throw all traditional martial arts in with the fantasy magic martial arts
MMA isn't its OWN martial art. It's everything added together the best techniques from every art so karate is MMA wrestling is MMA
The thing is, is that no martial art is good on it's own. Not boxing wrestling karate muy Thai taekwondo
None of them are good alone against someone who's versatile in all of them.
@Mister Guy I'm talking about someone who would go up against someone who knows all of the martial arts, an MMA fighter yes boxing is still good
I wouldnt say that no martial art are good on their own, better to say that no martial art covers all useful techniques on its own. That being said some martial arts are much more complete than others. Take Aikido for instance, it obviously lacks strikes and ground fight, capoeira has the most beautiful kicks but virtually no punches. Hapkido, jeet kun do on the other hand are much more complete arts in all aspects.
@@s2kkev292 good point
@@s2kkev292 JKD teaches moves that are not legal in MMA. So, an MMA trained fighter, who also trained in JKD might have an advantage on the street. Not to mention Filipino knife fighting and 2nd Amendment training.
HAL 9000 I would agree although I am not sure how that is relevant to my comment...
How Bruce Lee exposed traditional martial arts: few people were paying attention.
@classified squirrel there is plenty of people still studying JKD not just one student.
@@crashbang999 Exactly. JKD isn't going anywhere, because JKD isn't any one thing.
I really have huge respect for your video essays man.
Like I always say people need to change their mindset about what Martial arts is. When people think of Martial Arts, they think of Combat. Or those old Van Damme movies. There is more to martial arts than combat. Its also about meditation, self-improvement, and plain aesthetics. Bruce Lee said that Martial Arts is self-expression in the same way pottery or painting could be.
I have been studying martial arts since I was a kid, but as I grew older It became less and less about self-defense or fighting. I understood better what Bruce Lee and Sun Tzu meant by winning a fight without delivering a single strike. I would study a particular martial arts not necessarily because I think it will give me a better chance in a street fight but because I appreciate the form, the aesthetics and respect the culture where it came from. Which is why I really would love to learn Silat. Yes it all came about after seeing that Indonesian film "the Raid". I have appreciation of how cool it really looks
Crazy to watch that early footage of the Gracie challenges and realize their takedowns were pretty bad.
They lose to proficient wrestlers all the time during their Pride days. They were hugely promoted after the Pride era to be revolutionary and they became popular after their prime. Back then they were just like any other contender.
@@daoyang223 Pride fighters already knew BJJ
I wish Bruce lee was still alive, who else agrees?
Brudda Snoopa Bruce lee like many other great ones where light years ahead of their own time
he is still alive and lives in fresno
Nah
@Ubong Udoh even though he did some of the bullshit in his movies, beat up 50+ trained fighters at once....
Mister Guy technically Bruce lee was the creator of mma because mma is defined as a mix of martial arts and fighting skills put in a fight and Bruce lee had taken chunks of skills from other fighting styles to make his own. I may not be that accurate with what I am saying but just listen.
Bruce Lee was the man who discovered that each style has its own inherent weaknesses. Which was then applied through the original Ultimate Fighting Championship tournament.
Great content! I also want to say that you are one of the most humble guys I have come across. To be someone who practiced a single discipline for so long, was willing to test it against other disciplines, and then to deconstruct and reconstruct your approach to martial arts based on what you learned during that testing is pretty incredible. No ego, just a real look at martial arts. Respect.
Thank you... ☺️🙏
You are right people need to learn mma. But about the first ufc it seems like it was fixed. Watch the TH-cam video where jesse enkamp interviews bill wallace.
Royce left the UFC after fighters started getting wise to ground fighting
5:09 I mean, everything I've ever seen online for demonstrating techniques has used compliant partners for the demonstration. This includes videos for Muay Thai, Kickboxing, Boxing, MMA, BJJ, Wrestling, Judo, etc (the big names in MMA). When you're demonstrating a technique or drill, resistance is counter-productive.
The technique must be pressure-tested, don't get me wrong. Demonstration is simply not the time to do that.
Daniel Skrivan there’s no pressure testing in things like aikido, that’s why it doesn’t work.
Mark Donald I’m not saying he’s wrong, but there’s an implication that if there’s a demonstrative side, there’s also a resisting side. I’m saying that doesn’t really exist within things like aikido and other conceptual martial arts.
@@jaymiddleton1782 That's not the implication. I was making a direct assessment that proof positive of a demonstrative side is not proof negative of a resisting side.
People look at a video and see a 30 second glimpse of a school and assume that's everything the school does, and bash the school for everything that's not shown in those 30 seconds. They seem oblivious to the fact that the school has more than 30 seconds worth of content in the actual class.
Daniel Skrivan I don’t think it’s that they’re oblivious.
Like I said, in regard to conceptual martial arts, there usually isn’t a resistance side to it.
To be clear... if you are The One then it doesn't matter what style you use because you can see the code.
Everyone has a plan til they get a punch in the face
*fathe
What if your plan is to pull guard
Nice Mike Tyson quote
@@berntz bruh lol
@@berntz 😅😅😅
the fantasy is to think a controlled bout is the same thing as a real fight where someone can be permanently hurt or killed, also using wrestling or Gracie JJ against multiple opponents would get you killed.
Agree to a point. Wrestling lets you control your space, and it doesn't always require committing to rolling around on the ground.
@@benkrapf, when I see wrestlers in UFC, tied up with one opponent, or even if one was controlling the space against multiple opponents one has to do something start disabling the attackers.
Mma is not what you think. It’s a sport, it’s not a real fight.
Pretty sure a trained MMA fighter is more than a match for the average tough guy in a real fight, and there's plenty of videos on TH-cam that can confirm this.
Davis K. Sure, they’re gonna beat the shit out of us. I’m just saying in a real fight there are some very important rules that’s off limits in the UFC but would be total game changers in a real fight. I can name about 5 things that are banned in the ufc but would pretty much be like the first things you would do in a street fight.
@dnomyarakunawik38 I’m not implying a regular dude can fight a real mma fighter just by doing illegal moves, I’m just say7ng there are regulations in that sport for a reason. Like you’re never going let someone pin you to the ground and not use something like a wall or chair to help you get on your feet, it’s just basic instincts
You've just shattered my world, thx btw
8:04 what am I looking at? This footage confuses me.
He's practicing his force field
Some styles got a bad reputation because at the begining most martial artist saw ufc as a freak show . Where the gracies were alowed to were a gi and choke oponents with the belt . So it wasnt until Bas Rutten comes that the first world class striker fights in the ufc and , yes he used muay thay kicks and jujitso holds but his body movement was 100% karate , something that he has always aknowledge
MMA bashing traditional martial arts is a bit like airsoft players bashing real life combat tactics.
With that said, nowadays traditional martial arts do suffer from a huge lack of realistic training/sparring and that is a very legitimate criticism.
BINGO :)
Great video. Very insightful and interesting to watch!
Learn styles.
Form them together and use what you prefer.
That’s how it is for me