Why Aikido is Disliked by BJJ and MMA Practitioners
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- Aikido often has a mixed or even negative reputation, especially between practitioners of MMA and BJJ. It took me years to realize why this is actually the case. If you want to know what is the real reason why Aikido is disliked by BJJ, MMA and other combat sports practitioners, check the video.
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Aikido often has a mixed or even negative reputation, especially between practitioners of MMA and BJJ. Having practiced Aikido for more than a decade, and for years being a loyal student, in the beginning I used to misunderstand the reason for this negativity and hatred. Only years after, I realized why this is truly happening, and that dramatically changed my approach and understanding of Aikido and it’s situation.
Hi, my name is Rokas, and in this Martial Arts Journey video we’ll take a look at one of the reasons behind the negative reputation of Aikido between modern combat sports practitioners.
As we practice martial arts and combat sports, we all have our stages. We often begin by having unconscious bias of loving our practice and believing that it is the best. If lucky, we then gradually move to a conscious bias, of understanding why we prefer our practice, instead of others, and eventually the next step of maturity is being able to recognize the flaws and reality behind our practice, and appreciating it for what it is, while respecting other arts as well. Unfortunately, not everyone is able to move along these stages, even after training for years.
In my initial stage of practicing Aikido, I was told by my instructor that it is the purest martial art of them all, mainly because of it’s sophisticated and peaceful philosophy. While other martial arts were accepted in my first Dojo, there was a somewhat negative view on combat sports, as if they were meant for less “sophisticated” people, or to put it simply “meatheads” of martial arts. Looking up highly to my instructor, and having no experience in combat sports, I believed that to be true, and while I never put too much attention to this thought, part of me was proud to be “above” the “dirty and unsophisticated” practices and people. Knowing that I am “up to something better” than they are.
As I moved on to the next Dojo - a similar type of mentality in regards to combat sports was felt, although not spoken as openly. Yet cross training in combat sports was not suggested what so ever, since “it would ruin the understanding of the pure Aikido philosophy.”, thus I kept avoiding any combat sports practices, continuing to believe that Aikido is the best, that it is all that is necessary and if I would practice other, more combat oriented practices - my practice would suffer because of it.
Only when I was already running my Dojo and I met a BJJ practitioner who convinced me to try rolling with him, and eventually to train together, after many talks I started to see how vast and amazing the combat sports world is. Talking to him I saw nothing but respect and curiosity. When I met his gym buddies, I had pretty much the same impression, and I was left wondering: so where are all these combat sports meatheads that I was told about? When considering then, why Aikido was disliked by combat sports practitioners, I thought - maybe it’s because Aikido is not really as practical in the realm of fighting as their practices.
Eventually, another big exposure happened. Tired of some Aikido people believing that “Aikido is too deadly for MMA”, or that “Aikido people do not go to MMA not because it wouldn’t work, but because it’s philosophy of “not fighting” prevents them from it”, I went to prove that Aikido actually doesn’t work, by filming the “Aikido vs MMA” video. Filming it, was my first great direct exposure to mixed martial arts. I was ready to get a black eye and lose some teeth, expecting the MMA guy to be this ruthless, arrogant, disrespectful and uncaring person, as I was told about “people like him”, who would beat the hell out of me given the opportunity to prove that Aikido doesn’t work. To my great surprise, this MMA guy was one of the nicest people I’ve met, and he took great care of me during my first sparring experience!
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While I was hesitant whether to share this message, in the end I decided it is important to consider this possibility by sharing my story. Do you have a similar experience? Do you agree with the idea presented in the video?
Martial Arts Journey i used to play teakwondo, i been threw same journey as you
TKD is actually legit, needs some slight modification and punching added to it. TKD isn't as low on the effective self defense scale as Aikido.
Mohammed Murad Thanks for sharing. I do have an impression that similar story can happen in different areas. Good to hear some confirmation here
Becuse i was sparing with other styles ,i deduced the incomplet of the style ,and i was first stuborn hated mma but i discovered i was wrong and i learn boxing the muy thai then bjj / catch wressling wressling.Also i was influenced by baki the grappler anime .
By the way i did akido but i felt it was build on assumptions , i learn in bjj we drill move without restance then we have spacific with full restance see the gaps to modify it and fit to ur body at least do it in rolling
"Never limit yourself to one style."-Bruce Lee
What is the source of that quote? Can't find it anywhere... I thought Bruce Lee was against the whole concept of styles.
@@echelon2k8 Don't know about the quote but he was an MMA pioneer (was doing it before the term even existed) for he incorporated all styles he encountered. He simply utilized what worked. I've never heard anyone who trained with him from any different art say he was anything but the best (if anyone finds contrary to this please share that link). Now over the years since his death fighting styles have evolved especially how wrestling has been incorporated. In his time Bruce Lee was about as good as you could get.
@@NesconProductions You're preaching to the choir there, buddy. I already know that Bruce Lee was the real deal, all I wanted to know is where that quote was supposed to come from, considering that I know Bruce Lee didn't believe in styles.
@@echelon2k8 This is one I've heard and says essentially the same thing.. PS - Google is your friend.. ;-) th-cam.com/video/0yCeduVJW9s/w-d-xo.html
Jeet Kune Do
I remember when my karate sensei was going to retire,he got all us gathered and gave a speech.
He said: "I'll be going,I will aways miss you but I too need time for my wife and kids and I think it's time to drop the gi.
The federation will send someone to replace me so be aware for those who will stay after I leave,if he demands you to believe and agree with everything he says then this is not a dojo anymore,it's a cult.
So stay well and improve,but above all think for yourselves too."
Wise words. Your sensei sounds like a wise person!
wish more sensei's were like this, if you disagree or point out a flaw in their technique, they will instead say you are stubborn/impatient/impudent, etc. I'd like to know who your sensei was, sounds like a good guy.
cobra kai🐍
Wow you have amazing memory
How is he today?
I had aikido lessons for multiple years & the teacher I had openly stated that aikido itself will not work in a street confrontation. He said it is only effective when mixed with other combat sports.He was an old guy in his 70s & could still throw me through the room lmao. He had the 7th Dan in aikido (and a blackbelt in karate & some other martial arts) and was one of the first people doing it in Germany. He was such an awesome guy
Finally a teacher that actually points out facts. Aikido or Wing Chun are good to compliment other competitive Martial Arts styles. But on their own they are not very usefull. You can learn from Aikido quite allot of good ways of escaping from submission tackles or using the opponents motions to your benefits, as example.
don't you guys learn to use sword?
Gouki Shibukawa in real life hhha
@@gmarkisa we do but the point was to make your hand strong and reflexes good, the main techniques told are for using a staff
He was honest
I was sparring a karate white belt at a time when I had long realized that you never, ever judge an opponent by his belt. I could kick and punch better, but usually found myself on the mat when I closed in. He later told me in accented English, "I study judo for four years in Lithuania." Mystery solved.
My Sifu looked like a happy Budda with Ernies hair from the sesame street children's show. But you don't want to back him in a corner, he will get out of it...over you !
Humility is bred from defeat. Practice without competitive application can breed arrogance
This is a very nice point
I am glad this isnt true :)
But training for exclusively sport will get you killed in the street .
It's rare to find a TH-cam comment making sense and being really worthy. :)
@@williamnicholson8133 Not always, there are a lot of headlines about guys trained in to MMA who were able to beat out burglars and such at the street. Even womans, who are biogically weaker than man.
Question: Why aikido has a bad reputation???
Answer: Because of Steven Sea-Gull
I was about to comment the same thing, Steven Seagal gave Aikido a bad name.
And because of an attitude on the part of many practitioners that Aikido is the best, the most advanced, the most sophisticated, the most spiritual, so on and so forth when most of its practitioners, not to put too fine a point on it, can't fight. Oh, you can talk about how the Aiki philosophy transcends fighting and how if you oppose the other person you have already lost. But leaving the sophistry aside if you can't deal with a non-cooperative opponent who is as big, fast, strong, fit, armed, and well-trained as you and is on better drugs you aren't doing yourself or your training any favors by bragging about how great it is.
Ya the dude was a big time fraud...
@@toddellner5283 Doesn't that kind of mindset apply to most traditional martial arts though?
@@kristianperez4108 And to modern ones as well. But Aikido takes it to a whole other level with the majority of practitioners I've met absolutely convinced that their philosophy makes them immune to attack. I have met a depressing number who say "O Sensei proved that if you attack you've already lost" or similar.
Dude massive respect from a wrestler. You are humble and are willing to learn. God bless you bro 😊
I just started Wing Chun and 3 months in I'm questioning my teachers when are we starting sparring.. He said in 2 years when I get me brown belt, but I said I it's like go to swim classes and wait 2 years before you enter the pool.. like, what? If you say this works in real life, then give me a mask, put on yours and let's test it. Loved your video, man! I was seeing this skinny guys a lot in your videos and thinking "did he asked this aikido guy if he could use his footage?" later to know that the skinny guy is you! Haha great attitude by showing yourself on the net questioning your own beliefs. I just subbed to your channel (rare move from me), you deserved it! Thanks =)
Thanks Pedro! I really appreciate hearing this
Wing chun doesn't go by the belt system they have sashes in kung fu styles and wing chun doesn't go by sashes either
@@darilcaldwell31 what's with the belt/sashes? What do they represent?
Just askin' ✌😅
@@santino1196 belts in karate judo etc which are japanese martial arts is how they grafe you I am not sure how sashes work in kung fu styles but i know that wing chun doesn't use the sash system from what I have seen
@@MartialArtsJourney Many of us feel the same way. Good job.
Having done a bit of boxing, personally I’d say that having full contact sparring in whatever form makes you more humble as you are made fully aware of not only your opponents skills but your own weaknesses
Very true
Topboxing I'd give you three thumbs up if I could. Full contact sparing can most definitely be humbling.
Old Person thanks. Just thought of it from how I acted before id sparred from how I did after. It went from “ok I’ll do this and then this and then I land this punch” to like “oh shit this isn’t quite so easy”
Randori is part of good training.
You should be on top. Your mentality is so rare to come by, no hate just pragmaticism and respect. Among all the rants either pro or agaisnt aikido, your comment shines like a gem. Now such mentality is preached in pretty much any martial art discipline, but is rarely practised.
I have an enormous amount of respect for this guy. He's willing to learn. End of story. PERIOD.
You can still train when you're on your period
Always makes me laugh when someone finishes a post with "End of story. Period" as though they are so absolutely certain of their opinion that it's beyond all possible debate. Sheesh.
It's also repetitious just saying the same thing twice in a row 2 different ways.
Mat Broomfield In this case, I'd have to say that it's a pretty clear and cut opinion that doesn't need debate. He's willing to learn. What's debatable about that? Unless you're saying there's somehow something wrong with learning...which would be the dumbest thing I've ever heard. So, yes, end of story. Period.
That's a tautology.
Aikido rule: No, no, no. Come at me like this!
Lmao
Come at me bro 🤣
Every style under the sun can be defeated by going at them with a groin kick.
If they're a woman THEN you're fucked.
@@jekblom123 groin strikes were legal in early UFC, they weren't as effective as some have been led to believe.
Aikido is like a dance but it looks cool and should be respected
Dude, that Steven Seagal comedy satire looks awesome. lol
@Uhhh Especially the one with David Carradine...
It's MAD TV. LOL FUCKIN BEST SHOW EVER!
Please also look up Will Sasso's - Kenny Rogers and Arnold Schwarzenneger. he does the best impressions of all 3 of these guys, lol! Mad TV was the best with Will Sasso on it!
Will Sasso is one of the funniest guys alive
I'm a BJJ blackbelt. I don't dislike Aikido. I think it has some good application. In fact high level practitioners like Imanari use wrist locks to set up other techniques. As long as you understand Aikido is an incomplete martial art and cross-train (as you are doing) then you are on the right track.
At least there's one person on this channel express his disagreement in a positively respectful manner. What you say about being incomplete.... that I agree that's possible. In fact, being a believer of Aikido myself, I think that's the case I can agree on!
Aikido is an upgrade of jiu jitsu. It's not suppose to be a standalone fighting system. It's actually perfect art, but only if you had 20yrs of jiu jitsu style behind you.
When I was part of an MMA group in college, we were excited to find out that there was an Aikido club on campus and tried reaching out to them so that we could try and learn from them. Unfortunately, we were met with could shoulders, standoffish personalities and a concerning amount of condescending attitudes. Hopefully more Aikido folks will be more open and willing to help others who are curious about it to learn as much as they can. MMA is awesome because it's so inviting of new and different things.
You should have battled them, just to see what’d happen.
@@whatisahandlebruh It might breed more discontent :-(
Yep. Unfortunately that's what we find all the time. We train with other arts all the time and all it's done is help us to learn stuff and share knowledge!
@R L Well said R L. One thing I appreciate about training in martial arts is that while competitive you don't (usually) see/hear people saying, "My style is the best" at least coming from the more advanced practitioners. There is value in shared learning of different styles and techniques. One exception was when I was at a tournament (held at Fort Dix, NJ around the year 1988) and two students from one school started dissing another program. When the head instructor of their school found out he got on the PA system, apologized to the other head instructor and kicked the offending students out of his school and tournament then & there. One thing most traditional martial arts programs teach is honor & respect something that is not as emphasized in many MMA programs. Admittedly from a pure fighting standpoint MMA is probably the best way to go. To make you a better person I'd stick to traditional martial arts (whatever style fits you). Think one of the most important lesson you can learn is not how to fight but how to avoid one. Why I've always stayed away from going to bars and why I've managed never to be behind them ;-).
I'm sorry to hear about your experience with arrogant people. I used to be pretty arrogant in aikido but that can be summed up into immaturity as I was a kid at the time.
3 aikido students walk into a bar
An arm bar
Fucking hilarious... 🤣 😂 Underrated joke. 🤣
Please explain I don’t get the joke r/whooosh me if you want idc
Aikido has no defense for wrestling, or any real combat technique, look up aikido vs BJJ it would be funny if it wasnt sad how much time and money people have wasted on aikido
Lol
Aikido was useful for the context in which it was created - Meiji era unification of various body-to-body techniques to be used alongside a sword, spear, etc. This is no longer the case a century and a half later. All things are part of a process and should be contextually analysed as such.
I am a taiji instructor and have over 40 years of martial arts experience, including several years of aikido. In my experience, the "my style is the best" or "my style can beat your style" mentality is something we see mostly in beginners. Mature practitioners who have been exposed to excellence across many different styles know that "it's not the style, it's the man (or woman)." People get into the arts for different reasons. All styles, when studied seriously, cultivate attributes. It all depends on what attributes one wants to cultivate in oneself. People don't go to aikido to train for cage fighting or bar brawls, but it's great for cultivating centeredness, root, spatial awareness, flow, and the art of falling. Few people ever get into a real fight, but almost everyone occasionally slips on black ice or trips over an object. The ability to ground oneself or fall safely is as much "self-defense" as the skill of submitting someone with a rear naked choke -- and arguably just as "practical" in the sense that most people will have to resort to it. I know plenty of BJJ people, and they all respect aikido and taiji for what they have to offer.
My Aikido experience wasn't positive, as I was a accomplished Judoka practitioner looking for a different style of martial art. Having competed in numerous provincial competitions and having been in street fights (not willingly), I found that Aikido didn't fit into the "practical" combat martial art that I wanted. Muay Thai filled that gap. Having throws/chokes/arms bars with Judo combined with the striking techniques of Muay Thai; this made more sense to me and countless men and women that I met throughout the years in my quest in being the best martial artist that I can be.
@@lougarou8431 Not understood George's message.
The ability to fall safely is something my akido instructor emphasized.
I don't see what is wrong with getting into a martial arts discipline not with the intent to be able to beat someone up. Like who cares if it's effective? I want a good exercise, I'm not interested in beating anyone up or being delusional that I'm gonna defeat a dude with a gun pointed at me.
@@felipenachmanowicz9393 "that I'm gonna defeat a dude with a gun pointed at me" - natural selection in action ;)
Most traditional martial arts fall into the same trap. Bruce lee was correct, you have to explore different styles and absorb what works for you and feels natural. There is no one best martial art, even mma falls into that trap.
green man yep, even Top Tier from BJJ or MMA fighter wont win againts Bokh or Oil Wrestling. In their respective rules. No BJJ in Judo World champion and so on. If this is about street fight, even Tae Kwon Do suits for street fights.
Mh yh92 Bokh Wrestler would crush every MMA Fighter in Bokh Wrestling... Not all Martial Artists enter the cage, some doing for fun, some for health, and some for self defense. MMA is good but for combat sports only, most of the time going to ground. Traditional MA tend for war only, just throw and kill with knife or machete.
MMA is mixed martial arts. They literally mix different styles and figure out what's work, exactly how your icon Lee preached. Your comment is retarded.
@ irony. Look brother I respect your point of view but mma has rules that street fighters or martial military fighters don’t. Take Silat for example, in real life or death combat it’s extremely deadly but in mma it’s useless because of the sanitized rules that make it a sport. Bruce lee was a real no rules street fighter that was constantly challenged throughout his career and always accepted and was effective. They day they allow neck strikes or eye gouging or even hitting the groin or knees in mma, then it will be real.
Irony then explain why MMA Fighter most of the time got kicked their ass in street fight. Someone lost againts security by pulling guard. Aikido just need to improve their fighting skills by being agressive. Not just for self defense. Their paradigm just need improvement. Well it is works in well situations or from low to high tension. Aikido Practitioner need to improve their skills such critics is good afterall
How much can you know about yourself if you've never been in a fight?
-Fightclub
Good one
Is fight club on Netflix?
Quoting a Hollywood movie as if it represents life is one of the stupidest things I've ever read in the comments section. Hey I got one for you "Run Forrest, run!"
@@chrisdarkly sry bro, but some quotes r sensible, some aren't, doesn't matter about the source. U can't say Ur better at fighting than someone for sure if uve never fought. For aikido to say it's the best and never prove it is wrong and, frankly, stuck up.
"I haven't been fucked like that since grade school."
-Fight Club
I have no problem with people who want to do aikido for their various reasons, but if you are looking to learn self defense, or fighting, aikido is not the anwer, it might be an answer to other problems in one's life but not to the self defense one
Honestly any martial art is good enough for basic self defense, the average person around you doesn't know squat about fighting, so if you can get good at the core basics in any style that already give you a competitive edge, (not including the fitness advantage) The real problem comes when you start facing people on your level or better.
Akido by itself is as deficient as any other, but when incorporated with Street skills and a sensible Warriors attitude, it works very well. Akido has served me well in the Bar, especially when l'm not looking to do permanent or serious damage to another. Don't start fights, and you'll probably make it through life with only a few punches to the Face or groin. Be prepared for the attack. Always. Never be the Attacker unless absolutely necessary
Tell that to Christian Tissier or Joe Thambu Sensei it would be a different story.
well fair enough, because it was developed as a defense against Katana and Jo. No for self-defense in a fist fight. If you were in a samurai fight, and you lost your sword, how would you defend? Judo, Karate and JJ didn't solve this problem, hence the aikido came out and initially became popular, since sword fights were still actual.
@@KromayAsk here's how you're supposed to defend in an armed fight. Shoot! Why the hell would you ever need to go up against a samurai with a katana? They don't exist out of fantasy role-playing anymore. You can say that people can attack with a knife. Well, nobody will ever get out of a knife fight without getting cut anywhere. That's the truth. Better get cut and shoot the attacker. The things you need to defend yourself are these-
1) Control over your own mind, the ability to judge the situation for what it is, the ability to de-escalate situations and the ability to run away if the fight is not absolutely necessary.
2) A striking (and defending against strikes) method that actually works on a capable, resisting, uncooperative and aggressive opponent.
3) A grappling (and defending against grapples) method that actually works on a capable, resisting, uncooperative and aggressive opponent.
4) A gun and the ability to properly use it in close quarters.
5) A whole lot of luck. Because you cannot realistically defend yourself against significant numerical disadvantage. And you cannot control how many opponents gang up on you. Only God can. And there are a lot of other things that only he has control over. Without him on your side, you're dead meat.
See how Aikido doesn't come up in that list? It's because it doesn't work on capable, resisting, uncooperative and aggressive opponents.
I train traditional japanese jiujitsu. And i kinda had the same feeling that my art was superior over others because i saw how the more experienced pupils could disarm the attacker from a knife and a gun, how thet could fight with a blindfold on...
The idea of me once doing it too, gave me just a wrong impression. But that changed after we went to a special annual stage where we can discover and try different kinds of martial arts (from krav maga to iaido) ourselves. It kinda changed my mind. I saw where the flaws were in the art i practiced. I saw that sometimes, people fought nasty and not according the preset scenario's we trained in our dojo. So now, when i go to such stages i try to look at all the martial arts from a different angle and learn some small tricks myself. Learning a martial art is not about practicing an art superior to others, it's to learn how to prevent from being attacked or defend yourself. It also is to discipline yourself.
One of the only people here who seems to get it.
iadio?
@@trentparker3701 iaito probably. A Katana based martial Art
Sophisticated or not. What works, works. What doesn't, doesn't.
BUt ALl mu SaFTy
What doesn't work sometimes actually works.. depends on the situation
rusty shakelferg then that would make that stuff that doesn't work stuff does that does work
@@rustyshakelferg4304 Aikido works well, when you fight 90--years-old grand ma.
It this what you tried to say?
@Amber Hoke a jab, a low kick, a double leg td, punches from mount, a rnc...
Aikido works in exhibitions
My experience with Aikido:
Them: Strike properly! Strike Properly!
Me: Okay, how do I do that?
Them: This is a peaceful martial art! We don't teach that!
ahaha that was great
I aint gonna front u gotta point! Lmao
Sounds like you had a bad teacher my guy. In my experience, aikido is practiced peacefully. But the same concepts do not apply in a street fight. My teacher often tells me that in a real fight, no one would ever let me do all these fancy takedowns and theres a strong possibility of me getting jumped. He often also tells me realistically I'd be fighting like normal until I saw an opening, and often times I'm going to have to throw a punch or something to catch my opponent off gaurd. Aikido has a lot of good and bad teachers. Good teachers encourage some form of resistance and explain how things would really go in fight, as well as how you can deal with some things that would happen. Like if I'm doing a technique to stop punches he tends to mention how in a real fight if someone really wants to get a suprise hit in, they can probably do it and the best you can do to prevent it is to keep a good amount of space between you.
Good teachers give insight and explain things to their students and encourage resistance and questions about the said style. Bad teachers just tell you to do something and then give contradictory information.
@@truly-oni3945 wow you must have had a really good sensei ^~^ I wish I can learn aikido one day too!
Ive always had the impression that Aikido is a martial arts best suited for experienced martial artists. The idea to be able to defeat or control an attacker without hurting him sounds like an ability only a skilled and rugged fighter could do.
I practiced aikido for some years and my experience was very different, mainly because my teacher usually found some other martial art teacher to make a double class (tkd, kickboxing, etc), he encouraged us to go to other classes and bring back what we learned that worked, and even the first class he ordered me and others to go to another aikido class. Eventually he grew old and "magic techniques" started to rot the group.
But i learned a lot from that time, techniques that work in determined scenarios, some striking, some grappling, we even did some parkour... man, those were good times...
Anyway, great video, im starting muay thai next month to get better at striking
The criticism about the practicality of aikido against street fights and its apparent uselessness in MMA combat seems fine to me. However, I believe that some points should be made: 1st. Steven Seagal, as the greatest exponent of martial art, never attacks, he always waits for his opponent, which is an advantage. 2nd. He does not offer a single face but changes position before the opponent's attack to stay on one of the attacker's flanks to subdue his arms or knock him down with his arms. 3rd. Seagal turns his face away from the attack by maintaining an upright posture, so as not to offer it to blows, and in the case of boxing an MMA rival, he will use his hands and forearms to break the fighter's defense by striking against the right arm with his right hand. and the left arm with the left clearing the attack, dealing a blow with the edge of the right arm against the face, throat or closed fist against the sternum to disconcert the enemy, before knocking him down or holding and breaking any of the arms. You don't see all of the above done by an aikido teacher when he lets one of MMA subdue him easily, what's more, he makes all the mistakes and falls into the style that suits the MMA fighter. I consider I should repeat the videos correctly applying aikido as Steven Seagal does.
Seems interesting, fun and no BS
Without sparring, a defensive martial art can never become practical. In order to be effective, and in order to be improved, a skill must be practiced in (or as close as possible to) real world situations.
Much the same as a persons mentality. If someone assumes they are the best, assumes they know what there is to be known, then they will never learn anything else. They will never get better.
So a combination of assuming something works, and choosing not simulating it in a closer to real world scenario, ultimately leads to stagnation.
Given your explanation, I would say Aikido is not a bad martial art, but one that seems to have agreed to stop progressing.
But good on you for opening your mind to new possibilities. Never stop learning, and always be receptive to new ideas.
that's why they got demo..they repeated their move over and over and over and until their body move without they even realize it..
I did aikido when I was a teen, got to blue belt (not far) and from what I learned I can tell you, it is great if you are tranquil and spiritual. Normal people like me will fail to understand it
Congratulation to your courage making the decision to choose the side of the open mind. “Using no way as a way, having no limitation as limitation.” (Bruce Lee, Tao of Jeet Kune Do). On the question "what works in reality": "If you want to learn how to fight you have to train with someone who fights back." (Burton Richardson). All the best for your ongoing journey!
The real skills I learned from aikido:
1. I know how to fall properly. That has saved me from significant injury more times than I can count.
2. I've gotten better at knowing how to recognize and escape dangerous situations. And developed a willingness to take that option.
3. I've very occasionally had to take down unskilled people. Aikido gave me some techniques that minimized their injuries in the process. Would those moves have worked against someone expecting them or with significant training? Absolutely not, but drunk friends acting like idiots aren't in the same category as MMA fighters at their highest level of concentration.
4. Mobility, mobility, mobility. How to maintain it, how to take advantage of it.
5. And yes, a lot of the techniques and ideas apply more metaphorically as well as physically.
thexalon that’s basically all martial arts are gonna teach you?
That's nice. I learnt all these from Tae KwonDo. And also Ninjado. And also Krav Maga.,
As a Judoka (meaning I know how to fall and not to be injured) my experience with Aikido in a Training (therefore letting me be trown) was rather painful and I would not consider those ways soft ways and non harmful to trow people)
But then again the sensei there was an arrogant european guy probably characteristicaly way more fitting into a fistfight ring in victorian england...So maybe I just had bad luck?
@Krishnaeternal it took you three disciplines to learn something from one? i think you may have a problem. lolz
Haha no. I'll say it again. I learnt all these from Tae Kwon Do.But when I learnt Ninjado, they taught me the same thing with different principles, from different angles, different techniques. Same with Krav Maga.It's kinda like saying I learnt *how to fight* with Tae Kwon Do.I re-learnt it in Ninjado.I re-learnt it AGAIN in Krav Maga.
The best life skill learnt from Aikido, and the only one that gets regular use all those years after stopping it; is how to roll to avoid injury. I cant say how many mountainbike crashes etc i have come away with only a few scrapes.
pour water. this is the aikido equivalent to paint the fence and wax on wax off LOL. But seriously, check out Pour Water. This is a great lesson.
Learning falls in karate probably saved me from 10 broken legs on my first snowboarding trip. I was black and blue for a month but I could walk.
@@phantomspaceman Well said. Brake falls are a valuable take-away from training, especially if you live in climates that have ice and snow in the winter months.
I can appreciate that, but Judo does the same and actually has practical combat application.
I grew up on Judo - took it for 8 years. My friend just got his Akido blackbelt. I am 5'6" and he is 6'4". He is lanky but still outweighs me by 55 lbs (we weighed ourselves after sparring). I tossed him around like a rag doll. It gave me no pleasure at all because I feel like he wasted a decade on a practice that gave him an undesirable outcome.
falling of the bike, more then ones with high speed on the road without protection...and only minor injuries because of some months judo :)
I thought Aikido was made for defending against bullies or drunk people without hurting them too much. I think it's effective for that purpose.
Well it really isn't because I remember he said in a video that they trained with no resistance because it didn't work when they had resistance and aslo they have to attack a certain which definetely isn't good. I think bjj is good for self defense.
@@thesmartonesback2650 we do train with resistance. We train with a lot of resistance. It’s easy to manipulate joint only because we use our whole body and find weak points in joint positioning.
I really enjoy aikido. It’s not the most practical, but it is fun and I’ve used it to resolve a bar fight or two with no injuries.
@@maxzhao8331 doesn't matter how many times he prove it, cause you can't even tell the difference between an aikido and an arm throw
@@maxzhao8331 omg so sorry i didn't know all u need was a video to believe sth is true
@@otatopla7667 yeah its simple
@@maxzhao8331 indeed it is
@@otatopla7667 yup, I personally don't think aikido works so when this person said " I’ve used it to resolve a bar fight or two with no injuries." I just wanted him to show "proof". just a video of him doing the technique on a live resisting opponent to prove aikido works.
This video is pretty awesome. I went in years ago to learn martial arts, at first I tried Akido and walked past a karate studio on the way there. The Akido sensei kept telling me that Karate was just "beating eachother up senselessly, there was no art etc" he was a mass of negativity and I didn't care for that as karate looked more interesting, the students happier. I met my karate sensei and never once regretted it. He was honest and kind, open to all ideas one of the best people I have ever met. I took boxing classes alongside karate and he had me teach the class/employ boxing endurance training as he noticed I wasn't getting as winded etc. It was pure positivity, spirit and art. Open mindedness was embraced and helped everyone further themselves.
Where can I sign up?
I laugh at aikido because when I was doing MMA as a young man a black belt in Aikido said he couldn't do his moves on me because I wasn't standing correctly for it.
Next time you want to demonstrate a technique to someone, but need to get them into the demonstration position without potentially hurting both of yourselves with resistance, you're going to have to ask for cooperation. Because I don't want to lose weeks or months of training from some guy whose pride won't let them work together to see a technique through in safety.
@@JS-kr8fs sounds like you've drunk the cool-aid. If you're a boxer or a wrestler or a BJJ person, you don't care how the other guy is "standing" in order to demo a technique You're gonna be able to knock him out or take him down or tap him out without his cooperation.
@@krugerstan We're not talking about a full-out fight. Just demonstrating and practicing techniques in the learning environment.
@mshesh16 It's weird how many martial artists I find on TH-cam that don't have a training concept inbetween full-out contact and solo, nor cooperative training to avoid injuries and work through the motions.
@mshesh16 I've gotten a strong sense over the years that this skipping of many aspects of martial arts, for the sake of only full-contact, is the UFC's presence and the pull of its prize money as the only validator of a martial art.
It just feels like boxing.
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This is why I loved my previous master, that tought me whe. I was younger. He had big background in MA and VIP security around, so he knew his way around. We didint trained only Aiki, I guess that on average every third training we worked on punches kicks etc. We even spared on ground lot. But the reaspn he thought aiki to us youngsters (max 12 yo) was that he could introduce in peacefullness and learn us how to use our power. He was also math techer. What a amazing guy. To this day I hold enprmous respect to him and to aikido, but I know from my experience that I will amoust never use it in street fight.
My Wing Chun coach's wife once told a story how way back, she was studying Aikido, and when seasoned practitioners all fell for her throws in the correct way, and she felt like a pro, none of the throws worked on the newcomers. Because they didn't know where they are supposed to fall. Knowing from before that aikidokas do not spar (officially because anyone who makes the attack loses), and only do staged martial art move, I had the impression that it's something like pro wrestling, where a good half of the work is on the person thrown, "selling" the move...
While wushu and puroresu don't pretend they're real, and accept being exhibition shows or competitions, there are many scammy so-called "martial arts", ranging from Systema to downright "no contact fighting", look up Безконтакт or Система, you'll see some out of shape russian "gurus" throwing people around, barely or not even touching them. XD It's ridiculous how people get brainwashed into thinking they have "most dangerous secret style"...
But overall, even a legit martial art like karate or kung-fu will be useless if there's no contact training. It really boils down to practical application, many disciplines focus too much on tradition and technique without working against partner who tries to avoid your moves, instead of falling for them on purpose.
Anyone who questions things is always in the right path. Bruce Lee already did it and was ahead of his time by 30 years or more. Martial artist is who can accept other styles and corporate them to your own use.
I'm not completely convinced her throws didn't work.
Or rather, it's a question of the definition of 'working'. In Aikido a technique is considered 'working', if it's executed correctly and the Uke is not harmed - which implies a certain level of cooperation or ability to cope with the situation for example of being thrown. To avoid injuries you usually go through a rather formalized version of the movement.
However, it's certainly possible to modify the throw as a reaction to an unexpected attack pattern or force through a movement without the Uke's cooperation. The result of that however is an increased risk of injury, which is somewhat contrary to the spirit of Aikido, therefore it's usually not practiced.
@@sascharambeaud1609 I am sure there are versions of the same locks that are effective, much like pro wrestling moves are based on real wrestling throws, I just told you the story that I heard from a woman I was sparring with, and how as an aikido practitioner, she was disappointed in lack of effective self-defense application of the art that she was studying.
I also remember karatekas quitting karate for the same very reason, karate works in the ring, but it's highly tailored to pretty moves & sports competition to be viable for self defence (you train long, slow blocks & armbars on opponents who just stand there with their arms outstretched). Karate kicks are really good though, and, surprisingly, I found the punching (!) training in Taekwondo to be effective (because TKD is focused on kicks, the punches they teach is just modified boxing).
Again, it all depends on training, not all dojos have the same program, and better physical conditioning of my local Vietnamese Wing Chun group, as well as wussy black belts in next-door Okinawan Gojyu-Ryu had nothing to do with style in question, just trainer's ideas on training (WC got too draconian later with qiqong seminars from hell that left people injured & dehydrated required for any next belt).
There is the first pizza. There is the first kiss. There is the first sex. Among those is the first time when you got punched in the face and you managed to keep it cool. If you want philosophy then read. If you want martial arts then fight.
If accurate, that unfortunately sounds like an Aikido group that lost it and allowed it to become all dance. It happens, but that's not aikido. On the other hand, to be fair to them, how long did she actually train there. It would be a problem if she had trained there a few years and none of the throws worked on newcomers, but there is of course in anyone a period of time where lack of confidence and skill in one's technique would cause one to have trouble with new people, while the advanced people are actively trying to help her go in the right direction. Taking a fall is a problem, helping a junior student practice the right form is not. What's really a problem is if she saw seasoned practitioners not able to handle newcomers. Good aikido is when the attacker is going to find there is really only one safe way to take the throw. You have to be careful with newcomers that want to test it, making sure they learn through temporary pain rather than serious injury that they should have some patience.
Any dojo that has a husky walking around it.... is the best form of martial art!
definitely !!
Psh, amateur. Everyone knows that only *true* martial artists climb to the top of mountain and learn from a beardes asian man who inexplicably remaina well-fed.
plot twist: the Husky is the sensei
"What's wrong with Wolfie, I can hear him barking?
"Wolfies fine hunny, just fine...where are you?
I used to practice with my friend's malamute. She knew how to roll really well! (in the background) "Did you just Aikido my dog???"
@@jesusiskingofkingsz I thought the same lol and I love dogs.
My Jujutsu teacher was the only teacher I ever had, that didn't claim his style was the best. He said, if I had one master, of each legitimate style, and threw them all into one big room to fight it out, that there would be a different winner every time.
When I studied / practisee wing chun a few years ago my Sihing pretty much said the same thing...many know this anyway, (call it common sense if you will) but to hear someone who is of that level openly say things like in a fight be prepared to get hit etc if you dont want to be in that position dont learn any martial arts as you they wont stop you getting attacked....at worst when you train you will learn to defend yourself, at best you will learn how to avoid the fight altogether. Though he taught wing chun he encorporated a lot of other disciplines that he had experience in - including wrestling....much later I was messing about with a friend who had just started BJJ (though I have trained a bit in Jiu Jitsu I only had limited experience and 0 belts)...anyway I found myself on my back and the big guy ontop of me - thing was he couldnt get a grip as everytime he tried to stretch out his arms I'd hook my hands into his inner elbow joints and keep bending them like a door hinge...he'd try to slap my arms aside and I'd not resist, just let him slap.my arms away , and circle them.back into his arms again...he jusy couldnt get a grip...it was a combinatiom of chi-sao and wrestling grip type stuff ...he of course won in the end...mainly because I was unfit and out of breath but also because he was heavier than me and ended up just putting his weight on my solar plexus/chest so I couldnt breathe 🤦♂️🤣🤣🤣.....still felt great tying his arms up for a long time whilst he kwpt struggling to hold me down and try a move 🤣🤣🤣
I really like your message! It reminds me a lot of my journey. Think you for sharing it!
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I've always felt that there is something to learn from every martial art/ self defense style
i mean yeah, aikido is a great way to get someone to run and do a front somersault, and mall karate is a good place to leave a 9 year old for an hour
@@hawaiianrobot you're an idiot.
jekblom123 what’re you gonna do about it? transform into a tiger or throw a qi blast at me?
@@hawaiianrobot You're a HUGE idiot.
@@hawaiianrobot Remember, trying to be funny does not prove your point.
It is not an easy thing to question or break away from your tribe. Most people would rather live in denial and rationalize away even the most blatant evidence. Well done, Sir!
"Most people would rather live in denial and rationalize away even the most blatant evidence." This is the world we live in now, especially in politics.
Awesome. Thank you Rokas for this video.
Looking forward to watching you continue your journey
You are obviously a very intelligent man with a ton courage. Much respect for you... Cheers!
Thank you
"There are always 2 drivers responsible in an accident" is a bad saying because that isn't true a lot of the time.
I know, it's just a principle. I afterwards say that the level of responsibility is different, but on some level even the person who's fault it's not may still have some level of responsibility: maybe he kept not enough distance, maybe he didn't see the other car coming, was not aware enough of the situation to evade. Not to say that it's his fault, but understanding our own part of the responsibility helps us evolve for future similar events
why not say, "it takes 2 to tango"? that's a better saying than driving accidents.
Yes the driver and his wife in the backseat.
But its true about accidents. It takes both to give causality to an accident. Determining fault is more of a justice process in our thought. Even if its not your fault, you could avoid accidents by understanding how accidents occur.
A cool husky in the dojo is certainly one argument for any martial art 😊
I did akido for a long time when I was young and it gave me amazing core, breathing (Qi), flexibility strengths. It is a great foundation for other pursuits in life but yes it is not directly applicable to combat or any other sports but again is a great foundation such as yoga (though I think akido is even better in terms of physical health). Unfortunately I was too young and did not dwell on the mental aspects of it much ultimately leading to loss of looking back what I believe were special abilities.
Aikido is basically yoga for martial art, where actual useful fighting is almost secondary.
Very interesting and insightful video. I'm an older woman who started my practice in Aikido about 18 years ago, changing styles after a move and a 2 year hiatus. I came to the art because of the philosophy and never personally looked at it as a street defense art. For me it's always been about awareness, balance, seeing another person's point of view, understanding how my own mind interacts, and also physical aspects of building strength and flexibility. In my first dojo, my Sensei was a bit of an iconoclast and we weren't associated with any larger groups...I really wasn't aware of the politics within the Aikido world. In my new dojo, Iwama style, there's much more of an awareness of the greater Aikido world, with both positives and negatives. My new Sensei, however, is a gem and mainly just tries his best to teach the essence of the art. I'm pushing 60 and never have been terribly athletic and have no desire to move into anything that might be harder on my body. Aikido, at least in the dojos where I've practiced, has always been an accommodating and approachable art. I don't practice to prove anything to anyone else, but to fulfill what I know internally to be my own goals and ideals. I wish you well in your journey and hope that your students have other places to study Aikido if that is what their paths indicate is right for them.
Toonz Brah Heh, it's all good. I was just expressing my experience with practice. It's not gonna be interesting for everyone.
aikitherese but you seem like a good person :) I wish you well
Louis Rios I was simply expressing why I practice. Perhaps my approach isn't artful or would not be seen as art to others, but it's been very helpful to me in my life. The video was about his own journey and choices for how his path would continue and I was expressing how it's been for myself. The skills I have learned may only marginally appear on the mat because of my physical limitations, but my mind and heart are continually evolving. I appreciate you sharing your perspective as it gives me something new to consider.
Toonz Brah...likewise!
aikitherese You see it for what it is
I came to read all the arm chair warrior comments. There is plenty to choose from.
Yup and yours is the best. Typical failass elitist. Will be the first one heading to the hospital in a real fight.
@@dcrose001 lolwut
Darrin Crose - LOL. Do you know what irony is?
@@dcrose001 that was a comment straight from 2008
@@dcrose001 wow... you just won the prize for the most obnoxious person on this thread... congratulations... your parents must be very proud...👏👏
This is a rad video. Huge props for stepping in a ring and testing your martial arts. I’ve done several different martial arts and liked them all for various reasons. Never practiced aikido but some movement is very similar to Buninkan Taijitsu.
I have watched Aikido for years... I really don’t care whether or not it “works”
I love to watch it and how it flows. The art of it seems so much more important than “it can defeat another martial art”
Great video, love the open mindedness and willingness to learn.
It's definitely beautiful :)
@@MartialArtsJourney agreed.
My own experience with realizing that "Aikido doesn't work in a real fight" was actually the first time i tried it.
It was one of those "bring a friend and let them try for free" type deals where a guy i used to know brought me and a girl to his Aikido classes. Can't remember the names of all the techniques but we were doing some throwing type moves where the aim was to "redirect your opponent's force and use it against them". Some of the moves were decent and actually got me on the floor (though i intentionally didn't put up much of a fight) but there was this one move that was supposed to be pretty effective where you twisted the opponent's arm up above their head and behind their backs to make them fall which just turned out to be absolutely useless. I remember the guy trying to use the move on me and every time i'd just instinctively twist and rotate my shoulder a bit (didn't even do it on purpose) and the move just completely fell apart. The guy couldn't down me with that move no matter how hard he tried because apparently i didn't react the way that i was "supposed" to.
That got me thinking that if i could accidentally dismantle an entire move without even thinking about it and put myself in a position to retaliate then what's to say that an actual opponent wouldn't be able to do the same in the middle of a real fight? Not saying that Aikido is useless but it seems to me from my experience that it's highly situational and relies pretty heavily on your attacker to not really know how to fight and to not come at you with any real intent to seriously injure or kill you. So in other words, good for dealing with drunks and less experienced people without hurting them too badly, but maybe not the best when your life is on the line and it's either you or them.
That's just my two cents though. Maybe the guy i got was just bad at it or i got lucky or something.
Ego and bias can damage progress. Respect to you for exploring new and challenging ideas- it's good martial arts and it's good science.
u can tell the guys that have never actually trained MMA in the comments section because they are the only ones talking about how big and bad they are lmao
Love seeing this refreshing perspective. I have trained in martial arts since I was 7 years old (I trained for 25 years). I have practiced multiple styles: Judo, karate and Aikido. I also did short forays into Muay Thai and Jujutsu. I never believed any one style was 'perfect', and have walked away from numerous Aikido dojo's because of unrealistic training practices. I also grew up in a rough place, and therefore always knew that whatever combat system I trained in had to be practical. You have looked critically at your own experience and drawn realistic conclusions. Too many aikido practitioners have never had to use their skills in anger and don't appreciate what it really takes. Not just in skill, but mental attitude. I have nothing but praise for you.
BJJ and kickboxing guy right here and I love your videos and I have nothing but respect for you and your journey in martial arts. It is so cool and important that we leave our ego at the door and try to learn from others. A few times i've gotten to learn some throws from a judoka and diffrent boxing methods from wing chun. It should never be a bad thing to learn from others, and seeing your videos should encourage others to do the same. RESPECT BROTHER
Shorin-Ryu and American Kenpo here and I feel the same way.
Wow that's... As a Wing Chun practicionner I'm quite surprised to find someone practicing BJJ and kickboxing still admitting he learn something from Wing Chun. That's.... What's stronger than "rare" ?
Usually Wing Chun receives nothing but criticism (pretty sure it's because of the same reason exposed on that video though) ^^
Anyway you're totally right and I think the same. I practice Wing Chun and yet keep using Judo moves, we learn about Silat and Chin-Na, sometimes a bit of boxing and Aikido too (it can be quite effective when mixed with other stuff). We should always seek to improve and for that we can't stay in one style.
nah man the centerline stuff and getting in and closing the distance! anything to make you better well rounded. thanks lol
I started out in Aikido when I was 6 years old and practiced it until I was 14, I also started learning Ju-Jitsu at age 10 and ended up practicing that alongside Kendo at age 15 until I was 20 years old. The unfortunate reason why I stopped Aikido when I was 14 was because of my Instructor and his family that ran the dojo alongside him, they were severely elitist to say the least. I started to get ignored during lessons and even passed over in volunteer sessions and failed during test. At one point at school my instructors youngest son who was my age even tried to bully me and ultimately tried to fight me, at that point I was so disappointed in everything revolving around Aikido because I honestly believed in much of the same "purity" that you were taught. Ultimately I had to fight back and it didn't end well for my instructors son, sufficed to say I quit Aikido that day as I honestly felt like it and the people involved with it betrayed me just because I wanted to learn as much as I could. Meanwhile everyone involved with Kendo and Ju-Jitsu respected my desire to learn and told me quite often when we practiced or sparred that I was really hard to pin down or beat when they were able to do so even though I had half or less of their experience. Those people are still my friends now 12 years later.
I'm so fortunate that all the Aikido instructors I've know were just the opposite.
a good sensei matters more then the art your in. even more in the beginning. love your story.
@@thisislife9911 *than - but yes, you are right.
Best video I've seen so far concerning deeper level and social aspects of martial arts. I was always frustrated at the arrogance and toxic conceptual competition of different arts and sports. As someone trying to start learning a martial art, I previously was planning on watching the classes up close and see if they fit my physicality. But by remembering my last experience thanks to your video and explanation, now I suppose I just have to go talk to the mentors to see who has already past the mentality check. At this point I seriously prefer a rather clumsier yet honest mentor to a god-like fighter standing on a moral high ground.
Using the moves of aikido combined with judo is an incredible experience i had recently
Okay reading through the comments where the hell is everyone training at where their senseis told them Aikido is too deadly or it's better than other martial arts??? I trained in two different dojos for over 15 years and I have NEVER gotten this impression or heard that in my life.
lol, 2 different dojos?! Thats like what, 0.01% of dojos, in your country alone? The world is a lil bit bigger than that. :)
@Jer Snipes Martial arts always comes from the heart, what we have in our heart is what will emerge in technique.
Yes i trained for almost 20yrs in Aikido and was never told that, our shihan was an uchi-deshi of O-sensei and i never heard him say anything like that. He was very practical smart and wise man, and all my regular instructors were open to people questioning techniques practicalities. However over the years i have seen some arrogance and elitism but it is few and far between, most practicioners are just enjoying following the way (do) of Aikido and aren't interested in fighting or testing their skills.
@Jer Snipes lol ok kiddo, your mommy said dinners ready. Pause the game and wash your hands.
Aikido is simply not a combat sport nor a military martial system as Judo (sport) and Jujutsu (military) were respectively. Just as Judo is a sport rooted in Jujutsu, Aikido is based apon the techniques of Aikijujutsu. Though in practice the art manifests itself as a physical expression of Omotokyo's religious philosophy. The goal being to strive for harmonious interaction between practioners and then applying that principle to attain a society of harmonious interactions. While Aikido's techniques resemble Aikijujustu, it is certainly not the same in application or outcome. The value in Aikido is self refinement for the betterment of society and ultimately the world, not combat prowess or competative dominance. There is no problem with Aikido, the problem lies in it's misrepresentation and misunderstanding of it purpose as founded by Ueshiba. Condeming Aikido because it isn't an effective fighting system is like condeming BJJ because it is not an effective Fencing system. How can you fault it for being what it isn't? Rather it needs to be seen honestly for what it is, and that the practice of Aikido has as much merit as the practice of anything so long as you know why you are doing it.
That is the most sensible explanation I have ever seen.
The problem arises when the vast majority of the Aikido community portrays itself differently and believes the exact opposite of what you just stated. At no point during my time in Aikido did I encounter anyone who would agree with this guy's video or with what you just said. And I've met a lot of people... a lot.
And that is an unfortunate reality. As I said " the problem lies in it's *misrepresentation* and misunderstanding of it purpose as founded by Ueshiba." LIke most martial traditions, the teachings of it's founder are subject to the varrying interpretations of the students who then become teachers and pass their version to next generation of students. Ideally this leads to the growth of the art, though conversly it can also spark internal political derision. All one has to do is look at the glaring differences in the way Aikido is taught depending on the federation. It then becomes a matter of, well who is best representing the true way of Aikido? What *is* True Aikido? Which in and of itself is largely determined by the personal experience of each student. Much like the game of telephone, the farther from the source you get the more changes occur until it becomes something completely different than it originated. Sadly I feel Ueshiba's vision for Aikido never came to fruition, at least not on the world scale he envisioned. As a consequence of trying to stay relevant some of those that carry on the tradition do so in a manner that contradicts some of the most basic things Ueshiba taught. The philosphies of Misogi and Musubi were in essence about spiritual purifacation, ridding the self of ego, seeking unity and balance through harmony with universal process. In my opinion the transendance of self and attaining enlightenment (something Ueshiba says he actually achieved and was the inspiriation for creating Aikido) doesn't sound much like the mindset of a combative and/or competative methodology does it? i.e. this headspace probably won't suit you on the battlfield or in the ring. Although, becoming a better person as a side effect of a practice that many find enjoyable and rewarding on the otherhand isn't such a bad thing either. Self discovery and personal growth can be gleaned from many differnent paths, but one should at least know which path he is following if he wants to arrive at a certain destination.
An afterthought: Most likely it was for this reason classical Ryu were passed down through direct family lineage as a way of preserving the martial tradition as it was codified by it's founder. With the full transmition of teachings going only to a single student . Of course there were exceptions, splits and dead lineages absorbed by other Ryuha etc. Yagu Ryu, Kage Ryu, Shinkage Ryu and Yagu-Shinkage Ryu to name a few interesting splits and merges with plenty of derision thrown in for good measure. Sadly today so few Ryuha remain, despite opening Koyryu to outsiders as a means of preserving the traditions that defined a nation and culture. Ok, ending tangent, cheers!
_disclaimer: I do not claim to be an expert on martial arts or philosphy. These are just my opinions and thoughts on a subject I have an interest in._
I understand what you are saying. The misrepresentation of what Aikido is or is not or should be is a fundamental issue. But even once that is defined, the more egregious problem is in the basic tenet that it is not for combat. Then you have lost a cornerstone of martial arts. As you know, martial arts are not just for combat, rather can also be a path for personal and spiritual growth and enlightenment. Ok, sounds good. But you can do that by many other means that are not martial. Without disparaging Aikido or any other less-than-effective martial art, we need to come to a consensus about what should be considered a martial art. Self-help and personal development through ineffective combat exercises is not how I define martial arts. Whether it helps someone or not isn't the point, and I agree that it does though a point can be made that it hinders people who think they are learning some form of effective combat. There are many kinds of cakes. Some delicious to me, some not. I'll buy whichever suits me. But if you take out, say, sugar, what you have left isn't really much of a cake. Just like leaving in the sugar but taking out the flour. A martial art should necessarily be more than just combat. In the same way, a martial art cannot be a martial art without it. Not the actual combat that you participate in, but the fact that it would be possible to use. That is my opinion.
When a martial art promotes only combat, the practitioner can and often is an emotionally and/or spiritually underdeveloped person. In the same way, a martial art that develops only a persons humanity and enlightenment has become a shell of the reality of war, the defense of others, the choice or ability to engage others when the need arises, etc. In the cake analogy, sparring could be considered eating the cake. But without the effective practice of combat techniques (sugar) and personal growth (flour), there is no cake. Why are you in a cake-baking scenario if you are not making a cake? Not to mention that many elder martial artists honed their spirit exactly in that manner, through effective martial tradition, often under duress. What are you really even learning or honing if that aspect is missing? Thank you for your polite considerations.
It really depends on how you train. If your training concentrates on the later, pretty Aikido, the practical side suffers.
If your training includes the gritty stuff, the possibility of sticking your thumb in an eye or planting your nut on a nose, being surrounded, and any attack from any direction is possible, it's very different.
It's easier to apply the spiritual side up from the nasty side than vice versa.
Nice...thank you for sharing!
Congrats on the awesome work man. Awesome.
I practiced Aikido for more than 10 years... sometimes I think I still do. But now I'm doing BJJ and Karate (shotokan) I went there because at some point, I couldn't find the practical answers in aikido anymore. It was only when I understood that, it was no the art itself, but the tools it could give to me, that I felt comfortable to seek others arts.
I'm doing fine now, but it's not a easy passage... sometimes it's like i've betrayed something, some level I couldn't see/achieve (and many others akidokas can). Your videos have helped me follow my own path more confidently. many thanks.
Thank you
The flaws are not in aikido or any other martial art. It is the lack of training in a specific situation. Any martial artist that only trained in the dojo and never used it in a purely competitive environment will not work.
Exactly, pressure test everything.
That's the only X-factor. Martial arts that practice with full resistance will be successful.
"Slow is speed, speed is fast"..by moving the same movement over and over again, ur body is remembering those movement. its just the same like kata in karate (for example : never back down 3, scene where casey destroy arogant mma user using kata). in karate, practicing kata is essential, by repeating those movement, ur body remembering those movement instinctly..
there's different between u trained in the dojo for competitive environment and actually do it..
i wouldn't say competitive, but rather realistic.
(as in "getting in a bar fight", as opposed to "both standing in the ring, facing each other")
@@alecchristiaen4856 thats kata for..
Sounds awfully similar to traditional chinese kungfu.
True kung fu got a bad reputation because of all the fakemasters moast people dont know real kung fu masters like ip man for example
@@christiankoppel117 sadly the real kung fu masters would get clapped by any remotely good MMA fighter, the martial art of kung fu is old and obsolete for fighting, very beautiful tho, MMA is after all every effective martial art mashed together
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@@marin4046 you have never seen a real kung fu master fight against any kind of MMA fighters. Surely. Real kung fu and shaolin masters don't fight pointlessly for some money and reputation. It is against their mentality towards learning martial arts. You can not say "they will absolutely get clapped" while having limited knowledge about them. Real Chinese kung fu is practical, but ALL of the fighters you see nowadays are fake
@@ihaveadream7858 kung fu has been tested again and again, it failed every time against modern variants of martial arts, it suffers from its unrealistic status and overall its not an effective martial art in terms of self defense and that is a fact, if you practice kung fu for health benefits, which it has a lot, you're onto something, but if you try to use it for self defense you'll fail, the only variant that works is Jet Kune Do from which modern MMA draws it's roots from
Is it a good base about me learning aikido and taekwondo I’m fairly new but I wanna try a more close up defensive martial arts and I want to learn this for my second martial art is it a good idea?
And akido totally teaches you how to fall in any aplication i find it totally useful i am a mma guy and alot of other arts dont teach you how to fall so softly which akido teaches.
Judo does.
Yeah so does BJJ
You learn ukemi first thing in judo
Even parkour does that, isn't a martial art, it's way cooler, and you actually get fit while training.
My first martial art is Aikido. Just like you, I was told by my Sensei that Aikido is too deadly, is not combat sport, you should only follow what the Sensei has taught and etc. As time goes by I started to question the art itself and its effectiveness but still I march on. Soon, I got my black belt and my frustration has reached a point ( I still continue to assist in conducting class even so) that I decided is time to learn some other arts (Judo, Wing Chun & Karate). I found my answer in the process and it helps me address my questions and frustration, it even makes me realise why we do certain techniques in certain ways, I fall in love with Aikido once more. Fast forward to present, I still practice Aikido and I am conducting class in a Dojo now, those answer I found in the process is now shared with my students and incorporated into my class and training. I too always remind my students to be humble, curious, critical and always be open-minded as that was how I got my answer during the process of learning other arts. Quoting what Bruce Lee has said "Absorb what is useful. Reject what is useless. Add what is essentially your own.". You have my support Rokas, all the best in the journey!
Welcome!
I love that Bruce Lee quote
I love your journey. Out and back again with renewed faith.
Wing Tsung and Karate doing a good job of taking advantage of the others weaknes. both are great...but you must know how to use it. every martial artist should learn and expirence this trap on his way. it would make a lot people more humble and effective.
cool vid. came from a tkd background to aikido, and ive always questioned the practicality of it and after awhile i realised only some techniques can be used while most requires it to be used on another aikidoka. it is still a beautiful martial art in my opinion.
Your transparency is commendable as well as your ability to keep an open mind. You are also very just in your viewpoints. You've earned my subscription
From one martial artist to another, you have my respect.
Thank you
I like kicking drywall to.
I do shintaido, quite like aikido. I never see it as a fighting martial art. I do it for health, fitness, meditative practice, fun. I have done karate too. I have used shintaido principles to diffuse conflict. My karate teacher said if you are any good you won't need to use it, and in a street fight forget karate, just scrap.
karate works. it is a counter. dont try to fight(because it is slow and easy to counter). wait and destroy. be fast and way harder. use it like a sword. train it like building a sword. it becomes stronger with time. if your distance and your speed grows and you can feel the breathing without to focus...just fight like a swordsman, keep your distance and wait for the moment. kill.
Never heard of that
Really enjoying your series including this one. Thanks.
Just as an aside... the kendo clips you used... umm... eek!
I have the feeling that neither one of them actually practice kendo.
So great to see this video, being a second dan aikido praticing a strong aikido i totaly folow your point of view ..... one should not judge but live to have the different experiences
Yeah..... I was in an Aikido expo for 3 months once. The expo was held in a workout space that the local Aikido Club in the college trained in (other events happened there as well). It was the one of the furthest extremes of a McDojo I’ve ever been in.
My martial arts journey has always been about practical self defense as the priority. The short of how it started was I was bullied when I was child by older siblings. So I started working on my physical strength and balance.
Later when I was 14 my father gave me two black eyes. So I snuck into the gym and got advice from people who hung around the heavy bag and trained to fight.
And since I was 14 I’ve encountered many people in life of various styles and trained with them.
So at 19 I hear of this aikido expo. It’s free and it’s 3 months long. So I joined it. The teachers there for the expo were great, but the ones who regularly used the space for the club in the school were pretty arrogant and frowned upon practical applications to test their skill. Like full contact sparring... which made zero sense to me, especially because they talked so highly of their skill... skills they never applied in a live situation.
And mind you at this point I’d been playing sports since who knows when and training for 5 years in self defense. Even how I practice something like street fighter had more practical purpose than their training.
For any of those situations the process is as follows.
1. Learn technique that should be useful during a game/match/fight/race/match of street fighter/whatever event. You learn and polish the tech in isolation with little to no resistance e.g. a slice serve, Jab cross slip slip hook, fireman’s carry, rear naked choke, j. HP cr. MK Light Shoryuken (safe on block), bicycle kick, hip toss, etc.
2. After learning said tech in isolation to do it effectively without resistance and build up muscle memory you TEST it by having your partner give resistance e.g. Trying to return your slice serve, reacting to your jab cross slip slip hook in sparring but fighting back, resisting the fireman’s carry to prevent you from doing it, attempting to escape your rear naked choke, attacking after you do j. HP cr. MK light Shoryuken to see if it’s actually safe on block and if you strung it together to create a true block string, playing defense to prevent you from setting up a bicycle kick, resisting your hip toss, etc..
point here is that if these were new techniques you invented you now get to test them with light training to see if they’re effective. But none of them are new at this point, they’re all pretty fundamental amongst various sports, games, and martial arts that have been tried and true. Given their positive track records with so many other people they’re pretty much theories at this point (hypothesis that’s been tested by many other members of the community with so many results supporting the claim and none disproving their effectiveness that it’s become a theory... well that’s how it works with scientist anyway).
Given that, you’re testing to make sure YOU have the techniques right.
After the isolated practice you go to
3. Full sparing/exhibition match/scrimmage/friendlies/etc. playing a match of tennis and utilizing your slice serve when it serves you (pun intended), going full contact sparring with pads in any combat sport that allows punching and trying that jab cross slip slip hook when you see the opening to get a feel for when to do it, doing the fireman’s carry and/or hip toss during sparring for things like MMA and Wrestling to feel out when and where to do it, setting up a rear naked choke and making your sparring partner tap out, knowing when not to jump as well as when to jump in street fighter to land the j. HP cr MK light Shoryuken as well as how to hit confirm with the first two attacks so you know to do heavy Shoryuken for more damage if they don’t block it, finding an opening on the field with enough space for a bicycle kick to the goal and knowing when to do it vs doing a header, trapping, or passing instead, etc.
So when I went to the Aikido expo and they didn’t live up to the standards of my friends who casually play street fighter... well, I kinda thought they were a joke who avoided some basics in the scientific method and their talk of their techniques and skill were irrelevant if they never bothered with very basic testing of those skills, like live resistance.
One member was talking about their ability to stop someone who threw a punch at them with on of the many techniques we learned to counter a punch... and it’s possible the technique was useful, I wouldn’t know, it was never displayed against a full speed punch during those 3 months. The physics of it were to essentially grab the attackers wrist, side step while pulling them with their punching arm and then trip them or something of the sort. And when a slow motion punch was thrown, sure, it worked. But even an unskilled untrained fighter punches relatively fast to a point where it’s a bit absurd to think ones reaction time would be fast enough to use that technique especially if they never practiced it at full speed.
In most other forms of self defense I’ve done and seen it’s usually more practical to move out the way of a punch, predict and counter it with a strike of your own, block with a static guard or block by striking the arm to direct the blow away. Its less practical to try to grab their fast moving fist because of how much more precision and accuracy that involves. So... why not just slip and counter or if you want to go with the momentum thing slip the punch and do a throw as a counter.
But there were some useful things I learned in the class. Mostly the more active techniques > reactive ones (mainly cause there wasn’t any sparring so we didn’t get decent practice for the reactionary techniques). One move I use is actually used in the NFL regularly by defensive players. In football it’s called “the swim move”. As you’re passing someone you push them with the arm that’s furthest away from them, then you push them with the one that’s closest to them and you simultaneously push off them for a boost in speed while pushing them away which results in creating a distance between you very quickly while putting them off balance. That and the rolling. The rolls were useful.
Other than that it was fun and all, but I’ve never once used anything I learned from it when trying to defend myself.
I live in a dangerous neighborhood. Last time someone attacked me I used things I learned from boxing, TKD, high school wrestling, BJJ, and muy Thai to defend myself and not get robbed.
Awesome video Rokas, the one thing I like about your page is that your honest, real and reflective based on experiences, outlook, research and talking to others. Being an aikido practitioner myself, I believe its all about having an open and curious mind (which you have).
Thank you
I believe Aikido doesn't work until you understand agression and fear
Thank you for the video I was one of the people that questioned the practicality of akido and I couldn't have been wrong after having had matches and watching techniques it became clear to me like a window openening that the art itself is flawless however the person using it must have mind body and soul to be able to apply it in real time situations
I trained in Aikido for about a decade of my life, and while, like you, I love the art, it truly is a beautiful art form, it's just not practical for self defense. I didn't fully realize this until I started training in BJJ, but at the beginning, I was in denial about Aikido's practical use. I thought, "it's not the martial art of Aikido that is impractical, it's simply how we train", so I tried to develop training methods that seemed more practical, and every time a technique failed me, I blamed myself, and ignored the obvious flaws in the technique itself.
It was after several years of trying to make lemonade out of the lemons of Aikido techniques that I realized I was wasting my time. There are simply much better fighting arts out there for self defense. What I was trying to do in attempting to make Aikido more practical for self-defense was akin to trying to modify a horse and carriage to compete with an modern automobile. Could I make a horse and carriage perform better? Sure, but why bother when I could just use an automobile instead.
Do you mind sharing with us where you studied aikido for 10 years?
Aikido is Yoga for martial arts.
I trained under a few different teachers, most of my time was with Sensei Luis Silva, who is a student of Shihan Haruo Matsuoka.
Perhaps it should be approached more culturally like Tai Chi, because while Tai Chi has some pretty violent applications pushed to it's limits, it is typically more used and viewed as a type of meditation where you feel and manipulate your Chi
Maybe Aikido should be considered a meditative full body art form, with limited actual applications, but with a far reaching spiritual and meditative use
I think Aikido is amazing. In my opinion, what it lacks is integration. MMA was created from a root martial art, integrating the teachings/techniques of another. It was simply the logical next step to martial arts, where you are prepared to execute the best move for the situation, instead of relying on a single doctrine. I'm confident that there are various combat situation where an Aikido maneuver would be the best solution, even if it is a modified maneuver.
You have a fantastic attitude towards life and martial arts. Thanks for sharing and here’s looking forward to more.
Thank you
Very well thought out.
I only have one question is the akiedo you learned different from the samurai learned because i recently learned that kendo that people use today is completely different from kendo that was used by the samurai so is it different if so can you tell me what are some of them
Good piece of advice here.
I've been practicing Aikido for year and my sensei always pointed the importance of the uke (attaker) during the practice. during advanced practicing, Uke were supposed to be "relentless and ruthless". We were taught to punch, kick and grapple by other invited instructors (karate, judo, boxing, viet vo dao, capoeira, wing shun) and to disrupt the tori's (defender) techniques whenever possible: punching, kicking or body-locking techniques until the tori found the "right way" to execute the technique.
My sensei’s moto was: “A good attack makes a good technique”.
During his career he was frowned upon for such practices and members of our dojo were often warned multiple times by judges during federal examinations for our “dangerous attacks and attitudes” when we were uke. Once, I was even thrown out of an instructor’s examination after one of my punches (jodan tsuki) connected with the forehead of a wannabe instructor who moved directly in front of my fist during a demo.
I’m not saying that our way to practice was better or good but, I've been in more than a few scrapes in my life and, while Akido is not made for "street fighting", I found myself able to use some of its principles and techniques in a real fight; but without a good understanding/feeling of what a punch, a kick or any other form of aggression, Aikido is just like "ballet".
Please explain: "A good attack makes good technique."
I am an MMA practitioner, I didn’t like Aikido at first simply because it didn’t have the best self defence techniques. But later I found that some parts can be used in self defence, I have a few friends that practice aikido and they have a great time... also, I can agree with the thought that all the MMA and Brazilian Jiu jitsu people are meatheats, That’s what I first thought when I was starting (some of them are meat heads 🥩) But most are friendly, and respectful to you.
Yup
I haven't practiced any martial arts myself, but from your videos it seems like aikido is a great "beginners" martial art, meaning it gives you background and experience in some of the basics of studying martial arts, even if it doesn't really give you practical self defense skills.
Thoughts on krav maga? That's fascinated me for years
As aalways... great video, man! Really enjoyed watching it!
Thank you Wagner!
Hi, I don't know who you studied under for 10 years, but I'm a Shodan and I have been training Aikido for over 15 years now. When I started and throughout my time in the dojo in Westminster, CA, our dojo never held any elitist views towards other martial arts. In fact, our own sensei was a black belt in many diverse martial arts throughout his life, including Judo. If anything, through Aikido we learned that for this time, it probably is not the most effective defense martial art, but we learned respect, humility, discipline, and self defense. I have used Aikido to save me from someone trying to sexually assault me, therefore, to me, it is effective because I did use it and it worked. My sensei promoted learning other arts as well and he even incorporated some judo techniques into some of our aikido techniques. Something I've noticed throughout my martial arts life though is the constant hatred Aikido practitioners get and people shitting on us for learning Aikido. Countless times I would have people tell me what I'm learning is useless, I'm wasting my money, Aikido is a joke, and it's more useless than every other martial art. SO maybe I was in a dojo that was more open and less judgmental of other arts, but my entire life (especially from white karate students) I kept being berated for learning a stupid martial art and I was constantly told that my art was useless. Instead of tearing arts down, we should be respecting each other and learning from each other.
great comment, Jenny ;))), i practice hung gar kung fu and i would recommend you that for journey after aikido.
@@Supermomo2007 hi my brother actually switched from aikido to hung gar kung fu!
ah wow, is he happy with his practice??? you should follow him ))
Karate practitioners calling you out for not using an effective fighting technique is stupid, since it’s not particularly effective either. At least with Akido, you’re learning good life lessons
That depends on the school of karate and even on the particular teacher. The two teachers I had were very big on discipline and manners. And while very much in the martial art as an art category, they always made sure to include some practical stuff.
Rokas, it takes courage to look deep. Your video was compelling for its honesty. Just as each martial art has its own approach, its own range it prefers, its own mentality, each one has its own collective personality. In general I think that martial arts attracts and developes superior people. Individual schools may breed meatheads but these are more exceptions than the rule. I've practiced Okinawan karate for many years and we were led to believe that our strikes were like magic death rays. A grappler could never beat us because he has to grab us first and our strikes would drop him before we could do that. Well, back in the early '90s the first half dozen UFCs, especially Royce Gracie, served us up a foul tasting slice of humble pie. And while I don't regret a single day spent in karate I had to admit that I had a big hole in my education. I soon had to admit that the karate that I love and still love was not a complete martial art. It took alot for me to admit that but it also drove me to eventually spend 3 years on a BJJ mat and while the soul searching may have been uncomfortable I absolutely feel more well rounded now. Aikido is a beautiful martial art with a great deal of dignity to it.
I don't think that combat oriented martial arts dislike aikido. It's just that there's a perception of combat dishonesty to it. In any demo that I've seen of it the attackers offer an outstretched arm and seem to either fall down for no reason or almost jump over the defender's back. This doesn't negate its beauty, but it does mar its credibility.
Anyway, it's obvious that for you martial arts isn't something you do each Monday and Wednesday night. Rather it is actually a journey for you. I so respect that you had the honesty to take those first steps, to open up that dialogue with MMA and BJJ practitioners and to step onto that pure place of honesty, the mat. Enjoy your journey.
Good for you, man!
I enjoyed training Aikido as a teenager, but MMA was a much MUCH bigger & more effective self-improvement factor for me.
that sparring video with the mma was one of the best and most none ego video i've seen in a long time! kudos!
I am a life long Muay Thai practitioner, have competed in the ring. I also have a blue belt in BJJ. I practiced Aikido for two years and loved it. But I never had any illusions as to its efficacy in a fight against a skilled opponent. My instructor was a 4th dan Shirata style teacher, who had the greatest trouble defending against my full contact and ring honed strikes and kicks. In fact, what somewhat saved him was that he was also experienced in Wadokai karate.
I did learn useful things from Aikido, both applicable to Muay Thai and BJJ, one of the most important being, getting off the line of attack, not always resisting but blending. Also, as a self defense instructor, I use Aikido wrist locks for certain escapes or attacks. But it is a harsh truth: if you want to learn to fight effectively in as short a time as possible, choose an art that spars full contact. There is simply no other way to test if what you practice actually works. That limits the choices to boxing, kickboxing and Muay Thai for striking, and BJJ, Judo and wrestling for grappling. As you advance, supplement your skills with any of the other arts.
At my Judo school, they also teach Aikido. I have defeated the instructor in both standing and ground fighting, and while I am an advanced striker, I am only a blue belt in BJJ and a recreational brown belt in Judo (never competed). This instructor is a 2nd dan, and younger, heavier and fitter than me, but he was a babe in the woods. The cognitive dissonance made me wince. I didn't enjoy bursting that bubble but I don't duck a challenge. It's kinda sad that someone has spent decades becoming expert at something that simply cannot do what they believed with all their hearts it could do. The disillusion is just too great.
PS: I loved Aiki-ken! ;)
aikido was designed against armed opponents/samurai. you should fight against full contact kung fu or silat. would be more interesting and entertaining for you.
Been there done that. The debates are over and done with. Muay Thai is the most effective striking art by miles. Nothing else even comes close.
As for what Aikido was designed for (according to you), that is total BS. I don't think there were many samurai walking around after WW2 when Ueshiba founded his art. Much like Kano did for Judo, Aikido is a derivative of jiu-jitsu, designed to simplify the art and thereby make it more effective (and it worked for Judo).
muay thai is not most effective striking art. muay thai is good for get fast results in short time. i practice hung gar kuen and in my sparring i saw a lot weakness in muay thai .
Supermomo2007: You're a funny guy. You are one of those weaklings who - despite of decades of proof now - still insist that is as good as or better than what has been demonstrably proven to be the best. The best practitioners of all arts have tried their hand against MT, and have had their asses handed to them. You're not arguing with me, you're arguing with reality. But don't let that stop you.
what are you talking about????? have the thai boxers not been trashed by choy lee fut fighters according to bruce lee in the 1960s?
btw, i trashed thai boxers already in fights. iam open for friendly full contact sparring with you
As I see it, people are forgetting that aikido is not meant for the ring. The techniques taught are meant to deal with a street assailant. The assailant would be forced off balance and subdued by manipulating said assailant's momentum. The assailant would not be expecting the aikido technique, ergo it would work.
Do you run an aikido dojo while training mma now?
I've closed it :) There's actually a video on it
Saw Joey Diaz, brain stopped listening for a while and laughed on the inside.
thank you for sharing your honest experiences OSS !
After 20+ years of martial Arts training in styles of aikido, kenpo, takwondo, and jujitsu I have learned many lessons. I chose to compete every chance I had as well as entering mms and in this I realized that a true martial artist must learn to adapt, to grow, and to study both philosophy and combat.
Thanks for the great video.
There are no superior martial arts. They are styles, those moves are guidelines, they're not set in stone. I think people get the wrong idea about them, particularly the more "traditional" styles.
well some of them work and some of them not really, and if you have to borrow a lot of elements from another martial art to make your work, I think that martial art is clearly better for fighting
@Grabbed You By The Pussy mma isn't a martial art, in case you haven't heard it's mixed martial arts, and that includes all the arts, so there's not much to borrow on top of what it includes because there'a not much left. Tkd for example includes tkd moves, kicks and dances. If you want to do something with it you'll need to borrow many things on top of what it includes, cause you won't fight effectively at all only with kicks so you'll use things from boxing, wrestling etc
Your best video sir
Thank you Sergio!
let me clarify that I have been in Japan and Japanesse police don't train aikido Japanese police work in a very different environment with a different set of tools and expectations than, say, American cops. While an American police officer using their gun is uncommon, it’s even more rare with Japanese police.they train a martial arts name martial art known as taiho-jutsu 逮捕術, Aikido from aikikay don't work
The Godless hello why are you mad, can you provide an officialink with that information
so, calling Names like Stupid and stating your are annoyed does not equal to mad?
yes like i said before they train Taiho en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiho_Jutsu
they do train some aikido yes, but judo, kendo and mostly Taiho
here are the links bro
www.tofugu.com/japan/martial-arts-of-japanese-police/
i think that without getting mad i demonstrated to you what they train is more than aikido....
The course was a Japanese-designed mix of judo, karate, aikido and taiho-jutsu.
The Godless yeah right