Why MMA And BJJ Destroy Egos (And Traditional Martial Arts Don’t)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 27 ส.ค. 2020
- MMA and BJJ fighters are some of the most humble and nicest people around. On the contrary, many people you meet in Traditional Martial Arts are arrogant. In fact: there is a good reason behind this phenomenon, which we will explore in this Martial Arts Explored episode.
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When it comes to fighting either you come humble or you get humbled
Or both! 😂
@@lookit87 Sugar Sean didn't tho 😂
Okay there, mike.
Nuff said👍
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winning and losing builds character.
never losing or never accepting loss or believing that you will always win builds arrogance.
To be honest, arrogance can be grown even in people who lose occasionally. They just pick a different class of people to feel superior around, eg. Non-mma practitioners.
Experiences can humble you. But they won't MAKE you humble if you don't have the right character for it.
I think trained fighters are humble to because they know they beat up or kill the average joe. They don't have to worry about being beat up anymore.
@@dougyeefresh87 that's called complacency, not humility. Only a fool thinks they have nothing to fear from the average Joe. A humble warrior understands that everyone is a threat, given the right circumstances.
@@derek96720 That's why I prefer Hapkido over MMA. In Hapkido, your teacher is always making you think of life or death situations. MMA doesn't really focus on that as much.
@sean o malley
BJJ breaks down your ego continually. Just when you start thinking youre getting the hang of it, some kid will come along and tap you out in seconds. You never really get room to grow your ego at all. I do think you find arrogant assholes in any group tho, BJJ/MMA are not immune to this, but sparring and rolling are definitely a filter that weed out the worst ones
Especially when a tma is a mcdojo
Napoleon Blownapart I agree. I can say the same for Boxing as well. There have been very egotistical people in the sport but more times then not we see people get humbled.
@@team3gaming749 And then Toney got humbled again when he tried MMA!
Yeah it’s breaks down your ego and builds your character.
Yeah, and with General mma and mostly ufc fighters, nearly all of the undefeated fighters are so full of themselves and every time they lose they just call it a fluke. (Ahem TJ Dillashaw)
I was pretty cocky, overconfident and arrogant during my 10 years of karate, when I started Muay Thai I got extremely humbled. Still on the way to humbleness, which really is the goal.
bro, back when i was younger, i did taekwondo and the entire time, i was called a prodigy and i got super confident, so when i went into an adult level Muay Thai class at 13, i got destroyed and all of my confidence went away
What karate?
@@at3396 first shotokan then wado ryu, but it's not solely karates fault, it's simply the lack of full contact sparring.
@@geiletoni764 oh ok I do a different karate
@Gerardo Ojeda what karate?
This is why people believe their aikido will work perfectly "in the street" even though they have never fought anyone
They just don't get exposed to any data that shows them otherwise
I’ve done Krav Maga for 3 years and Aikido for 1,5 years and I can tell that most aikido practitioners are not ready for street combat
@@atatekeli9295 what do you mean?
Steven Segal can woop anyone in a street fight
Silver Giovanni street fight is quite different
@@atatekeli9295 Not with Steven Segal's Bulshido and aikido
@@silvergiovanni5336 You're right in my opinion because hand to hand combat in the street require strenuous training and a shift in the mind
In my first week training with Maromba BJJ I asked the instructor a question while he was rolling and the white belt he was rolling with immediately closed a triangle and made him tap. Instead of the instructor getting pissed he was actually beaming with pride for his student for being able to close the triangle so quickly.
This is true to an extent, depending on the gym. There are certain MMA "bro gyms" where the environment is more like this: You are allowed to have an ego if you are better than most of the people there. If you have an ego or start shitting on people when you don't have the skillset to back it up, the enforcer will kick your ass until you shut up.
If you are among the "top dogs" then it's socially acceptable for you to be self centered, arrogant, abusive towards others, ect.
Most BJJ gyms aren't like this, but a few are.
I believe this is partly right,if one wants to act like hot shit he better back it up. Unless openly damaging or disrespectful against others it would be fine with some ego from the best students.
MMA fighters with an ego might be rare, but when they have an ego they're dangerous. Not "this guy is awesome" dangerous, but "this guy needs to be locked up" dangerous.
I will never forget the story of the Bianchi brothers, two Italian MMA fighters who were harassing someone, a kid tried to stop them, and they deliberately beat him to death in front of witnesses who did nothing, and then were outraged by their arrest.
I have done traditional karate, Judo, and BJJ. Part of the issue is also western interpretations of Japanese culture. Bowing to the front of the room and the hierarchy of belts imparts a sense of superiority, and potentially rigidity. As a Judo instructor, I also try to keep things light hearted and friendly, to break down some of the barrier between dan and kyu ranks. Thanks for the video!
ohh hello i would like to ask is doing Judo alongise Karate good, i have been doing Goju Karate for almost 2 years and i have been considering doing Judo alongside it, just wanted to get some insight from you.
@@braydoncraig6418 I think once you get a solid foundation in one style, cross training is a benefit. But dabbling in a little of this and a little of that is worse than sticking with one style, getting to a high level of proficiency, then opening the doors to new systems
@@isalehyan Thank you very much for your comment, i shall do that.
@@isalehyan Oss
"Bowing to the front of the room and the hierarchy of belts imparts a sense of superiority"
I got the opposite feeling in my time during Karate. To me bowing was a way of assuring me that I wasn't tough shit, that others had put more time and effort on it than me and deserved respect for that.
when i started MMA i came from a 12 year long taekwondo background and so this whole time i thought i could fight and so when i walked into the MMA gym for the first time i thought that all these skinny kids would be super weak and bad compared to me but when class started and i saw a kid way smaller than me but similar age kick the pad and i heard and saw how much force came from it, I was shook but I was also hooked because i knew that my training sucked in comparison and so I've been doing it for about 3 weeks at this point and I've already learnt so much and im really enjoying it, i was also very surprised because everyone was so nice to me but in tykwondo people were only nice to me when i was a first degree black belt but before i was people treated me like they were better than me so its so strange how the no belts and the training can affect how people act towards you as a new person
Did you train WTF or ITF?
I was also from TKD. I switch to MT.
It is true. TKD uses hand mitt and focus on speed and accuracy, whereas MT uses harder target and kick with shin. This allows for harder kick.
Back in TKD, there was a hierarchical system based on belt level and position(student/coach). The coach always misuse the term respect when he actually mean authority/hierarchical.
Everyone has an ego. Its basic psychology. The key thing you have to remember in combat sports is that you dont have to be modest if you can back it up.
I treasure my time in aikido as my first martial art experience. It saddens me that it ended up so "lost". Now I love muay thai. And have been humbled often!
As a TMA teacher I find this video and your whole channel very inspiring :)
Thank you. That means a lot to me
In boxing cardio broke my ego after punching and skipping for almost two hours you are gonna hate fighting
The toughest man I ever met was a 10th Dan Goju practicioner under Peter Urban. He was totally humble, kind, and respectful towards everyone.
Yes but many traditional students dont get to fight which means a lack of reality
I remember my first day at Gracie Jiu-Jitsu. I had visions of what a phenomenon I was going to be. That illusion vaporized the first time I trained with an opponent. It's a cold dose of reality that many traditional schools lack.
Even if you don’t compete in BJJ, rolling will humble you. I mean seriously, sometimes the warmups humble you.
Yeah haha my club does clinch work as a warmup, and when a smaller person gets the hooks in your ego gets destroyed haha
BJJ and Judo warmups are insane, no choice but to get fit!
@@rev0luci0n lmao that's so true
I started lifting in 2017 and did for two years and was able to put good muscle mass and whenever I walk in the streets, I consider myself very tough and I was over confident on myself that I can take down anyone and then in March, 2020, I started mma training and man, the sparring, the cardio, the grappling that I have gone through has made me humble and also have realised that size don’t matter in fight and even now I hit gym and lift weights occasionally to increase my strength and there I see many muscle guys posing and thinking they are the toughest out there and I just smile and tell myself, that was me a couple of years back...mma has made me humble and confident in myself and at the same time has made me realise, “don’t judge a book by its cover”.
Nothing wrong with posing if it helps push someone to their fitness goals. Don't think it is best to assume they're arrogant just because that helps pump them up to keep training towards what they want to achieve.
As for your general sentiment about size not mattering in a fight, I completely agree. Someone who knows even a little technique and weighed many tens of pounds less than me could probably mess me up haha.
In short: coz in MMA and BJJ, we got beaten up... A LOT... (in real life sparring ofc, unlike scammy sparring in most traditional martial arts)
@people1st,
In combative arts, you spar or grapple a lot. You sometimes lost and that will humble you. In TMA, most do not do live training. Only drills. That gives a false confident and makes you ignorant.
people1st To learn of course !
@people1st without pressure testing, it's impossible to understand the practicality of the technique. One could never know a technique actually work or not only through words and drills
Nothing like getting your ass handed to you to humble you.
I do traditional karate but with real sparing, including grappling techniques. When I start to get cocky it's when I get "beaten"
Here's my problem with what the OP said: I agree about MMA. I disagree about with BJJ.
BJJ today is nothing like a real fight. Sure, you might sweat and get put in some painful positions, but you can also just coast without any danger. It can create delusion in its practioners.
MMA is always a fight. It's as close to a fight as you can get within the realm of safety and sanity.
You are right. I experienced the same thing after training aikido for 13 years and I loved that. Its true, you have no idea where your limits are. You manage most of the techniques in an adequate way and they tell you, that will work in the street. How can you know better? Than I heard that my instructor got punched in the face by one of his students in a `just for fun free fight´, who was a 2nd dan Karate. I was wondering, how could that be. I talked to that Karate guy, who was a very nice person and he said, its unrealistic the way we train aikido or lets say the way we train real fighting situations. Today after having seen lots of your videos - Rokas - I think I understand better. Thank you. In TMA we train in a certain way - cooperativ, non resistant partner, traditional attacks ... Thats ok and its really interesting, makes you fit and sharpens your perception but its not a free fight with no rules... Instructors should know and tell this. Otherwise it leads to wrong imaginations of your abilities and to arrogance and ego.
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I think he got punched in the face because he was fighting a second Dan Karateka.
what they should do is keep the aikido moves that work then mix it with another martial arts to make it more effective.
I agree with everything you say except the portion that you said its ok to train without resistance. My take on TMA is not that the techniques wont work in a real life situation it's the fact that how can they work if you have no resistance to sharpen those techniques and make them applicable. All TMA's are missing full contact sparring to flush out techniques that just dont work under typical circumstances and find ways to make moves easier , faster and more accurate to today's meta. If boxing stayed the same way it was in the early 1900s then I would be useless in today's age.
It's much easier to fight the air in TMA and think of yourself as an unstoppable killing machine if you ever snap...lol
This is so true.
Strange, I have found that the opposite is true. Even then, the proportion of martial artists with big egos have been relatively small in both realms in my experience.
Exactly correct. Tho as you said it certainly goes both ways and like I mentioned is definitely more dependent on the individual, their personal mentality etc rather than on what they train or don't. A jackass will be a jackass wether they are worth a shit or not
Haven't known that many modern martial arts practicioners myself, but what you said about TMA rings true since i'm a 3rd degree black belt in karate and while in the philosophy of karate ego is discouraged, the enviroment itself encourages it. So sometimes it's hard not to get swallowed up in the ego. Only when i started watching more martial arts on TH-cam i realized i was just a big fish in a small pond. And the only humble teacher i've known is my sensei. I trained with other people and i see that the system has already inflated their egos so high that they won't accept anything but what they teach as true. I hope once i open up my own school i won't fall into the same pitfalls that i've seen
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I can truly attest to this. Good observations.
The example at 3:10 literally happen to me.
With 59kg I had been training for 2 years but was the smallest in my bjj class, the next guy was 70kg, so sometimes it was hard to feel that I was progressing.
A new huge pumped guy came in, when it was time to roll everybody formed pairs and we were the only ones left.
I looked at my instructor and he said we're good for each other, I was very confused, the guy's arm was bigger than my leg, but the instructor doubled down and said, yeh yeh, go ahead.
I ended up submitting him 3 times during that roll.
That was the moment I really felt my training was really working, and motivated me a lot to continue.
Unfortunately the guy probably had a big ego and never came back.
And yes, everybody was really friendly, since then I no longer live in the same city but I still consider the instructor as a friend.
Just looking at Rokus physically you can see a huge transformation. In his Aikido days he likes lean, almost frail, now he looks strong (particularly in the neck area). I realize that much of his journey has been mental, but he looks significantly more formidable now.
3:14 Yeah this happened to me last monday. And I didn't think "what an insult" I thought "let the next guy get this one, I'm not getting tapped by a cheerleader in front of a bunch of strangers"
I am a lot into anime and manga,and one of the most common cliches is that the very petite/thin woman is the one known for destroying skyscrapers with a weapon ten times is size, or similar stuff. So when i started martial arts i was always much more careful against women,even though i was proven wrong most of times.
Yeah once you learn what the actual heck your doing size and strength come back into the playing field. That first time getting tapped by a girl tho, lol super surprising for me lol.
Ego is a matter of education. Pushups are a good way to cool down the star player, any sport involved. You were disrespectful? Do 200, counted. Classical army style. He will do it at most 3 times until brain registers it is bad :)
man I really loved this comment
That was the approach of my Karate instructors both were military vets. It was 100-500 pushups or running depending on what you did. Sweat the ego right out of you.
But is it really humbling or do you train your students to just shut up? The push-ups don't show you that you are the not one of the biggest fish in the ocean, you can still think that you are an badass while being nice and on the surface "humble"
@@DundG Well this is more for teenage or early 20's people, who are a little bit cocky. I am not an advocate of beating the kid to prove a point anyhow. Experience shows it works well. Also it is used if the guy/girl is bullying or disrespecting another kid, not for questioning the teacher for why stuff xyz is like this and not like that. No teacher would punish anyone for that kind of question.
@@nagyzoli Well, so it is more a tool to encourage a certain behavior towards other individuals. This is important to, so they know when they go to far. But it is rather the teaching how to work in the group or community.
But true humility comes from the realization that in the wast world, you probably are not the toughest, that you can loose to others although you beat every one in your dojo. That is something that only works if you test it.
Thank you. Your channel is first class and your words of honesty resonate loudly with me. Ego is nothing more than a substitute for confidence when a person hasn't had the real-life experience of using their experience on the street or in the ring.
I have trained in a traditional karate for many years but I was lucky in that my instructor always based his teachings on reality and focused on the more useful techniques in self defence. He taught me awareness, the reality of real life scenarios and that ego is simply counterproductive.
I have dabbled in some pressure systems (including BJJ) as well and like you was humbled as an experienced karateka in the BJJ arena. This simply amplified what I already knew that in general traditional martial arts are sometimes misunderstood by those who practise them. They can offer an advantage in real life self defence but they don't work in the ring/octagon unless pressure testing is practised routinely. Unfortunately I have reached a stage in my life at which it's too late to address the deficiencies of my learnings. For me it's more important to accept them and make do with what I have available.
I also dabbled in Tomiki Aikido briefly and although I didn't even scratch the surface, it was clear that the instructor and "senior" students were living with unrealistic expectations of their capabilities in the real world.
What I'm trying to say is that it's absolutely fine for a young student to study any art but she/he must be aware of its limitations (psychological, technique, etc) and to appreciate that he/she has the option to cross train (including reality & psychological training as offered by Ian Abernethy etc) in other arts to optimise ability. if your sensei/sifu/instructor disagrees and tells you that you this approach is wrong or unnecessary, then walk away! ATVB
That picture you put up when you said "the little lady is choking you out", I had the honour of having her teach one of my first bjj classes not even knowing who she was 😅 she is a legend
I literally experienced this very thing tonight with my uncle (tradional kung fu and silat) and me (Muay Thai, San shou, Capoeira, Folk Style Wrestling, Boxing).
He demonstrated a technique from a kata where the guy punches you and you block and dislocate his shoulder before taking him down. ALL I DID, was ask wouldn't it be much more efficient to simply slip and counter with a uppercut to the liver. He literally said his technique was more efficient cause it leaves the opponent disabled and I said well punching someone in the liver leaves them disabled and disagreed stating if a professional fighter punched him in the liver he would get right back up. And then told me how am I gonna argue with a master(him). Smh
I think ego is more about how you interact with the world and the feedback you receive(whether other people encourage/discourage it), rather than your hobbies or professional pursuits.
Very true words, I was a traditional martial artist myself before I started BJJ. With that said, your movement in Aikido are still very beautiful too see. Even if it is more a dance between two people than a fightingsystem It is pleasing on the eyes to watch.
Would add the boxers and kickboxers I've met to this. Without ego I mean.
Not sure about kickboxers, but most boxers are know are very cocky
I boxed for over 10 years ans Met very different people there...
I never had an ego doing Kung Fu for 14 years. I think part of it comes from the fact that I actually never felt confident in my skills I probably knew deep down inside that most of it was not effective in an actual fighting situation.
I've been training jiu jitsu/MMA for 3 years now and although it'd be a bold face lie to say everyone I've come across was a cool person but it's hard to be an asshole or full of yourself when you're constantly getting beaten beat up by people you train with or have more experience. Constantly getting humbled is good for the soul
Great video. Good to see you back.
😊 Thank you!
As a Judoka who has also practiced several years of MMA and BJJ, I tend to agree with most of these points. I think what it comes down to is the ability to pressure test your skills. Traditional arch they don't pressure test or have sparring usually tend to have some of the most arrogant people, I have found. And, although there is a lot of elitism and perfectionism in Judo, I feel that getting routinely ragdolled by upper level practitioners has definitely helped me to put myself in place.
Connor McGregor and Rampage Jackson - very humble. Said no one ever
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Conor is traditionally humble, he just likes to sell his fights
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Oh, so that's what he was doing when he attacked that old man in the bar.
@@outlawstarjoseph8064 lol
@@quabledistocficklepo3597 thats different nobody refuses a drink from the double champ he does what the fook he wants
This video found my feed at the most critical time in my training and I cannot thank you enough for it. Your words are true.
I train judo for a year and I am the smallest of the adult group (77kg, 182cm) and I get defeated by 16YO blue belt, 110kg yellow belt (I am yellow belt myself) guys I train with A LOT. Not to mention randori with our black belts (then I get beatten smaller, older guys in a blink of an eye). I get better over time and I sometimes get a win here and there. This is pure satisfaction but doing randori 3 times a weak teaches You to be humble and... Realistic.
77kg and u were the lightest?💀im done for if I learn these, I'm 17 and 67kg ;-;
@@seerthefool I was visiting a nearby club during summer and they did have one 70ish guy there but the rest was 90+ (all teens). I must say I slowly improve. I was able tap few guys few times. Smaller players are usually faster!
But the BEST part is we have a 60 YO black belt. He is 67kg and he kicks out buts NON STOP :D Tomoe Nage on a 110kg guy is awesome.
Words of wisdom. I practiced and taught traditional Kung Fu for 10 years before transitioning to a more modern, MMA-based training regimen, and can absolutely attest to the cultivation of large egos in the higher ranks of TMA. The opposite tends to happen as we are exposed to real knowledge and skills; we realize how much we still DON'T know, which is essential to continued progress. Acquiring real skills builds strong confidence balanced with humility. Otherwise, it's just arrogance.
Thanks for sharing, Rokas!
- Patrick Fulop
The people in my school(Singapore Polytechnic) Judo Club, most of them are arrogant and toxic individuals
Yo I’m in SP too. I’m in MMA.
TigerrClaw congrats
@@limxuanyi5398 lolll y liddat ah
I can agree, many people in my Judo class are exactly how you describe your school.
Why do you think are they like this?
ᚱᛖᛞ᛫ ᛫ᚾᛖᛟᚾ the belt system
Before I got into an mma, I was an insecure loser who tried to play tough and get into fights, even though the other guy would've easily kicked my ass. After learning in an mma gym, I'm terrified of fighting at all and would rather do anything but pick fights.
I agree with this. I trained Karate for 7 years and my ego got destroyed in less than a week of boxing
I have two brothers that teach in Taekwondo and they made 2nd Dan and stopped practicing patterns, one-step basics, and started watching TH-cam videos. They lost the respect of all of the junior students, sparring with no control and then one of my older students of the same age and rank returned and they decided not to come back until he left. I explained to them being humble and respectful is very important and to knowing your tenets is a must. They have since calmed down quite a bit.
I had an experience. I started a new style of martial art and after doing Aikido for some time, i was pretty confident in myself. Then I sparred for the first time (since aikido does not spar) and I was instantly 'humbled' lol
Just a detail ; it'd be more accurate to divide between "Martial Arts that include honest sparring" and "Martial arts that don't include honest sparring". Plenty of TMA include good sparring and competition too. Kendo has a crazy amount of sparring which is very humbling even at the higher dan grades ; Taekwondo, Karate, some styles of Kenjutsu, some Judo/Jujutsu dojo and so on include pretty good sparring.
And some Kung Fu has honest sparring
@@owenc2314 most kung-fu are TMA
@@bookknight I know that's why I said some Kung Fu offers sparring
7:53 Well, I have been completely beaten at a taekwondo sparring match with a lot of blows in the head, maybe not dangerously hard but still hard enough to make me feel very uncomfortable.
When you accidentally give your friend a concussion during sparring lol. (True story)
I think that remaining in touch with reality is the key to integrity, which is why sparring is so crucial
Great videos, i guess I have been lucky to train with humble people in TMA and that they keep humbling me from time to time. The journey is endless
Well done! 👏👏👏
I'm fortunate enough to have found a traditional style Dojo that teaches actual fighting, once you reach a certain rank fighting is mandatory, and hardcore.
As you mentioned, we also have a level headed Sensei with lots of combat experience both on the street and in full contact competitions.
Juijitsu and Karate being It's main foundation.
I hope one day more TMA schools get out of the stone age and evolve before they die out and are lost
I totally agree with this video. The owner and main instructor of a local school I trained at for a while perfectly embodies what you're talking about in the video. If you heard him and others talk about him, you'd think he's invincible. His ego has totally went to his head. I refused to continue there. I wanted to say to him "if you're so good, then go compete in mma".
im a 2stripe bjj blue belt and everytime i think i got the hang of it i get humbled I LOVE IT !
Same here 👌
When I started judo 1981 my first litte competition was a club championship. Think I weighed 32 kg had a white belt and met a girl. Blue belt and she tossed me around like a ragdoll. Ippon, after 30 seconds or something. That put my ego in place 😄
Someone forget BJJ is traditional martial arts & Gracie family isn't known for their humbleness
That's true and also they would take charge of the rules so that the fight would go in their favor!!!
Great video
Because u learnt what a real uppercut/choke feels like when you held your chin up around
This video is so very pious. BJJ has skipped over becoming a TMA and moved directly into being a cult.
from my experience no but that’s probably just because I have a good BJJ school but from what I’ve seen from other experiences that other people had, and from what people have told me, yeah.
For the most part it is kind of a cult. I’m not going to lie here and it’s disappointing.
Perfect 👌👌👌
Great videos.
Thanks!
Excellent!
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The first part makes sense. My introduction to BJJ was with a mixed group of many different skill levels. I had no experience rolling at all, and so I spent most of the next few months just learning not to get my ass handed to me. It seems like if you're exposed to what *can* be done, and how far you have to go (and instructors who can explain your weaknesses and how to overcome them) you're going to approach your skill from a position of looking upwards.
I absolutely agree with this video!
judo always gets left out of these discussions. Judo is traditional martial art, which involves live grappling in every session.
Actually BJJ is a traditional martial art too, with a history as long as the likes of TKD and complete with Gi, belt rankings and bowing.
The distinction between these branches of martial arts really is "conceptual" Vs reality.
Would you say people from judo are arrogant too?
@@user-cu9en4ix1v no, because as the video explains. Live "real" grappling or sparring is massively humbling.
more of the conceptual martial arts tend to be refuges for men with deep insecurities about themselves. They both believe and depend on the concept that all the time spent developing their ranking , increases their importance as a human and gives them authority and a right to ultimate respect from others. They really really want others to be in awe of them, fear them, envy them and listen to orders. If they can achieve this as a reality whilst in the dojo, they will. Oh boy, they will.
The judo world has always been more like a conventional sport, like soccer or gymnastics. There is strong emphasis on competition. And in competition you immediately get shown your "place" regardless of your belt and years invested.
The movements / curriculum is not overly complicated and never hidden behind mystique. And straight forward strength and speed is emphasised, not magic spells.
The studs are the young, explosive and strong, just like football. Not the 45 year old weaklings who claim to be a third Dan black belt.
@@dfpguitar I train judo and bjj, I think bjj is way more technical and way more fun to train but judo is way more useful in a real fight and super tough on the body, I always get home all beat up after judo training.
Because the one who has to defend ineffective martial art a lot, will be under stress and anger 😠😠😠
MMA does not shatter egos, rather it builds them more so than most TMAs. I've known many TMAs and MMA guys who have used their martial arts on the streets. Most of the MMA guys who found themselves in these ended up in in some kind legal trouble, in some cases, jail. The TMAs didn't and there was a reason for that. In legit TMA schools, appropriate use of force is emphasized and you are trained only to use the required amount of brutality. In more TMA than MMA schools, I've seen teachers cover the legal side and how to put you in the best position in the aftermath of a defensive confrontation This is why those TMAs got out of their situations, they knew how to fight without getting in trouble. MMA guys just wanna be tough then cry like a bi*** when they're facing 2 years for assault or excessive use of force.
OK, but at the same time, just because someone do that, that doesn’t mean that MMA fighters in general just do that
@@punlovingpacifist And guess what? Most of those MMA guys who are like that are the ones with solid TMA who transitioned to MMA.
I guess that's why I met mostly very kind and humble people in my Pencak Silat courses in Indonesia. We had sparring and the teacher was asking us to take part in competitions.
I am a kyokushin practitioner..And I learn to be humble always
I do Muaythai wrestling and Brazilian jujitsu.
Can we really consider Muaythai a traditional martial art? I think so? whatever anyway, I’ve also learned to be humble. Also, I’ve noticed that both KYOKISHIN and Muaythai love low kicks lol.
This is exactly what my recent discovery is. I could’t agree more.
Things may be different in Europe and/or the US nowadays, but here in Brazil, at least in the 90s and early 2000s, every now and then we'd hear in the news about a BJJ practitioner who'd lose his temper and attack someone over a minor traffic accident, or even BJJ gangs that would roam the streets looking for trouble. Of course, that might be just the result of biased media coverage, but I wouldn't say BJJ had a good image back then - I remember being interested in ground techniques back in the day, while at the same time being put off by the bad reputation BJJ had.
As for BJJ destroying egos, it might be the case that you simply happened to have met the right people. After watching your video, I came across Hong Nguyen's account on why he switched from BJJ to Judo. He talks about how much better Judo is in terms of teaching, sparring, progression, etc. as well as how much more humble black belts are towards white belts.
th-cam.com/video/yaYoNcDGtk0/w-d-xo.html
Of course, I understand both your account and Nguyen's are based on personal experience and don't necessarily represent the whole of either MMA/BJJ or Judo. But they're food for thought all the same.
Maybe it humbled McGregor last night.
I think it's mainly got to do with physical competitive sparring and testing as to whether it works or not
those Aikido mouvements were very beautiful, thought. I think the purpose of Aikido was to do beautiful kata, and that's why it's called Aikido (armonic, or beautiful in japanese). Of course it was inspired of real fight joint locks, but then it create an art (or a sport) with aestethic purposes only.
I trained in boxing & old school tkd simultaneously which was extremely beneficial to me because of it I would easily transition & compete in every striking martial art competition
Thank you for shining an honest light on martial arts. There are way too many Bullshido vids out there & too many people believe what they see.
My first time at a BJJ class went like you said. Although i'm only 5'8 and was 23 at the time I powerlifted for many years with over a 1000 pounds total of my (S/B/DL). In addition when my friends wrestled I never lost. I went against one of the coaches for my first opponent.... yeah.. I got crushed like 5 submissions in 5 minutes then after I went against a blackbelt who purposely used the same choke every time and he tapped me out like 5 times in 5 minutes. I think having a growth mindset is important cuz right then right there I was hooked I need to learn these moves and abilities these other guys obtained from BJJ. Im sure some people would have just given up and made the decision that they would never be good at BJJ since they aren't capable of losing. Needless to say I was very very very humbled that day and it honestly changed me for the better.
Makes sense.
There are many more reasons. But this was solid.
"No idea truly survives contact with reality."
Quote from a game I'm designing. Sums up this idea pretty true. Plus the main characters of that game want to gain ultimate power over the ego which entails being able to destroy it on a whim. They want to be in a state where they don't even need to fail in order to attune both their inner and outer reality. As a bonus, most are HEMA practitioners and the ones that aren't usually come from other....competition-centric TMA's like wushu and kendo.
Koichi Tohei, in 1977, said "there is no enemy but the one within".
this is actually very true, considering i started off in itf taekwondo and the experience i had there
In all my years doing TKD, I only met a handful of people who I'd consider "arrogant", and they usually didn't stick around. For the most part, people were humble, especially on the competition team. But the people who always had the biggest egos always seemed to be people who I knew outside of martial arts, claiming they knew this art or that one, but could only demonstrate the most basic techniques that you could find in any "self-defense" video
I agree. Most of the people that I met that practice kung-fu with me are very full of themselves. But I noticed that in my school at least when you get to black belt the teachers decide to make tests harder base off each person's limitation and no one's ego survives that. Unfortunately most of them quit after that because they where never taught to be humble before.
I've found that through humility I've grown a ton. I'll spar with a guy, he'll do something that I have trouble getting around, then I'll ask my coach or watch videos on TH-cam learning how to counter what he is doing. Example: I'm tall, and southpaw. I sparred with a tall southpaw the other day that may actually be a couple inches taller. It broke my brain. So, now I'm learning more about how to deal with taller fighters. Some of your best growth comes from challenges
I’ve started training boxing and BJJ over a week ago and almost immediately I learned just how little I actually knew about fighting. I knew I wasn’t a black belt going in to BJJ so I had my ego in check and luckily I did because when we started rolling I got paired with a purple belt and almost immediately he pulled guard on me and had me in an arm bar and I had him outweighed by about 60 pounds.every class comes with a side of humble pie!
As someone with experience in both worlds, I agree. MMA fighters have been humbled. TMA people reeeeeally don't tend to like testing their knowledge and use false confidence as a shield. It's a shame. I love TMA and believe nothing is a waste of time. You CAN make TMA work in "the real world." It's just that they don't want the opportunity to realize they still need work.
That's why usually traditional martial arts have some kind of philosophy to encourage people to train their minds as well... not only to become a better "fighter". Btw nice vd keep it up!
But the problem is many TMA only focused on unnecessary thing which has nothing to do with fighting (wisdom,spirituality, etc)
@@fikriasrofi5312 Because those stupid street fights are your only goal in life?
@@DavidTheFlyingGuy2000 nope, like that video say train modern combat sport also make you have better personality
People who study modern martial arts tend to be more humble and less arrogant because they get humbled early on through real sparring matches. You instantly become aware of your level and your ego is destroyed, you accept this and you train to improve. This is the main difference between modern martial arts and traditional martial arts, there is hardly any sparring in traditional martial arts, and only a few of them actually work effectively.
Edit: yeah, i posted this comment without watching the full video yet, you explained it perfectly.
Everything you’ve posted here is true except for one truly humbling truth: size and strength DO MATTER. When I first started my BJJ journey, as I white belt I never once tapped out to even a purple belt that I was noticeably bigger and stronger than. But then against even another white belt close to my size with six months of training on me, they destroyed me. It’s a hard truth that BJJ guys don’t seem to want to accept. Size and strength matter.
Strength and size is NEVER a weakness! The idea that a small framed girl of 55kg could easily tap out a big strong guy at 100kg is absurd. Once you learn what you're doing, size and strength comes into play for sure.
Every Kyokushin blackbelt that I've ever met has been super humble. They've also all trained or competed in K-1/Glory-style kickboxing, though, so that could be a factor.
Good lesson on Psychology and frustration with the world...
What about boxers and wrestlers? Are they arrogant? They do a lot of sparing as well.
Hey Rokas! Try FMA. It will expand your experience on your journey! Wish you the best!! Shalom
This video is very intelligent. You should put out a documentary.
As a traditional boxer I lern that sparing with a baby with no attention and self protection can cost you a breaking jaw or a cut in your eye
Always protect your self and never underestimate your opponent
I would not say that traditional martial arts doesnot destroy egos, I would say that every martial art that does not do full contact sparing in striking martial arts or have resistance in grappling matial arts does not destroy egos, full contact karate (Kyokushin, Ashihara, ...) definetly destroys egoes, unlike shotokan karate and other semi contact karate, and judo is a traditional martial art but it has resistance grappiling so it destoys egoes, unlike aikido.
2nd degree black belt in Japanese Shorin/2 schools, 3 years of aikido across 4 schools, 3 years of TKD/2 schools, 2 years of Kung fu/2 schools, 4 years of BJJ/MMA/4 schools. You are spot on. TMA instructors tend to strut around like peacocks. One instructor would brag about his 'bar fights over the weekend', another would brag about 'defending against 4 dudes' (Aikido)...when I pressed him on this (ie. ''how?'), he had me and 2 other students come up to demonstrate...other 2 were 'devoted students'. Me? Not so much...6th dan in Aikdio had no answer to a resisting opponent trying to take him down. I switched to BJJ/MMA. Worked with some actual 'names' in the sport. Not one bragged...not one strutted around like a peacock..one would roll with me for fun (would whip my ass, but we had a good convo while rolling). Super nice guy. Never had ANY experience like that in TMA. Thought I was the only one who noticed/was jaded...thanks for this.
i remember my first sparring match. i lit up my senior for about 45 seconds. i was doing very well landing clean hits and pushing him around the ring but due to poor form and incorrect striking technique i gassed out and got knocked around the rest of the round lol. i had a backround in street fighting. i used to get jumped a lot and learned to fight very violently and aggressive due to always being outnumbered and having that kill or be killed mentality. it def taught me how to take a beating and i thought i was a bad ass cuz i was mean and fought to really hurt people fast and hard without rules. the ring was humbling. im a lot more arrogant now that i have a few years of amateur mma and boxing under my belt but i at least have respect for the sport the other fighters and know i have limitations that i have to break through.
When i learned Taekwondo years ago, my egos are continually being destroyed everytime i did sparring.
Every Martial Art will have some bad apples, but a few bad ones don't spoil the whole crop.
I find that nearly all of my partners and my friends at my MMA gym are decent, genuinely kind people.
Case in point, my BJJ instructor, Douglas, is a professional fighter and one of the very best in the business. He's fast and packs a fearsome punch, but just the same, outside of a fight, you'll never meet a nicer fellow.
Thats why Kyokushin does it for me. Its heavy on sparring and pressure and at the same time focused on traditional values.
I try to KYOKISHIN for a while, but it didn’t work that well for me so I went back to Muaythai which I’ve trained in since I was three.
However, I must say, KYOKISHIN is exactly what you said.
and honestly, it’s probably my favorite karate style, even though the training methods may be downright psycho pathic, but I guess Muaythai isn’t too different because you know we’re completely OK with elbowing people in the face.