Everything Wrong With Raya and the Last Dragon In 19 Minutes Or Less
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- Raya and the Last Dragon has a lot of cool elements and interesting ideas. It's definitely a Disney movie. Oh well, it's got plenty of sins.
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The "idea" of dragons running on water in the air instead of actually flying / levitating is actual Chinese mythology
That may be why he took off a sin
@Eugene Oisten what do you mean. The dragons reference in the movies are based on chinese dragons. The dragons resemble the types of wingless long serpentine dragons from chinese myth and the thought that the death of a dragon causes the thing it represents to disappear is similar to how in taoist myths the deities are direct links or physical manifestations of the thung their linked to.(because dragons are also somethings considered to be divinity or are straight up just gods). Also that pose that petrified people get into is a stance commonly found in chinese statues mostly of mortals asking for forgiveness. So it has tons of chinese myths aspects incorperated into it
@Eugene Oisten true but the most widely known ones are from taoist and (technically) buddist religion both of which are known as 2 of the three largest religion of china for most of its existence. Yes i know buddhism orginated in india but the most well known stories were popularised from china not south east asia. How do i know this, cause i live in south east asia and the origin of most of my nations buddhist and taoist teachings come for china. I know hindism also has wingless dragons and japan has them as well but they are simply less well known so the assumption that the movie was indpired by taoist or buddhist beliefs is not wrong. Bruh
@Eugene Oisten Lol it's based off of Asian Mythology, they're literally Vietnamese
@Eugene Oisten also china has been know for 3 major religions buddhism,taoism and confucionism most of which have their own local myths,legends and beliefs. And the idea that dragons are linked to water and rivers are connected to taoisms 4 directional dragon kings which are the most well known wingless dragons i believe. Perhaps i should stop arguing if you lump all three very distinct religious practices as 'chinese religion'
“He’s straight up drippin” was the highlight of this video
I would say that the avatars reference was, but I see what ur talking about XD
Nah, it was the underwire/booby trap joke :D
great video over all been waiting for this :D
Dang Hai got the drip
Didn't know scru watched cinema sins 🔥🔥💯
Sisu: "I've been asleep for 500 years"
Cue: Robin Williams Genie
Um, no. Genie was in the lamp for 10,000 years. 500 is only 5% of 10,000.
@@DavidRay39 hmm
@@DavidRay39 so she's 5% Robin Williams Genie?
@@DavidRay39 it’s a joke
This is the first end credits scene where I got all the references
(opening line)
Raya - “I know what you’re thinking “
Me - “How are you staying upright on that ball?”
I would have apricated that as a sin rather than narration. We get it Jeremy, YOU dont like it, however its needed in some stories to explain what the hell is going on. You would have complained that you didn't understand the backstory if there wasn't narration
@@dustyrose192 agree, I enjoy narration when it’s done right.
Witch craft which is why why she ended up floating
I thought she was sitting on a saddle?
@Tsukasamimi She was on a saddle.
This movie literally feels like a video game story. With mini boss fights, and each location being a level. (And constantly checking the map)
Speaking of video games at the start she has kali sticks from modern warfare 2019
@@themilkman3568 I noticed that too
I literally was thinking this while watching the movie! I thought the world the story was too big for the runtime of the movie, and could probably be much better expressed in a video game where the world could be properly explored.
A video game setting could also make more sense of the ending. Rather than just the world learning to stop hating each other rather randomly, the process could be a little more naturally pushed along in the form of various side quests and such where the main characters learn more about the other people in the world and that they aren’t as bad as they seem.
Woulda totally been a cool videogame
@@emilymckelvey2530 and if it makes you choose in the end to trust or not trust, leaving room for you to fuck up and destroy everything
Princess Raya Vs the World?
I'm surprised you didn't sin Sisu's annoying "trust strangers that are trying to trick you, steal from you and ruin the world" messages.
I’m sure the message has the right idea, but man did they deliver it terribly 😂
Yeah this movie is painting itself as a “you need to learn to let the past go and trust again” story when it should be a “sometimes you just can’t trust people and you need to stop being so damn naive” story
The point is that people don't trust each other because they're assuming you're going to screw them over, but if you show them a little bit of trust they may put faith in you.
Which is exactly what happened. Sisu is a bit naive but she is ultimately right. Otherwise they would not have been able to gather people from each nation.
@@waitselljones8068 Yeah I'm going to assume the girl that tricked me into giving her what ruined the world and is now holding a crossbow to the face of my savior dragon friend after I tried trusting her again is going to screw me over. It's the logical assumption and everytime Sisu ignored it she got screwed over. It's like going to a terrorist base and saying "I trust you won't shoot me"
Plus some of the people Raya is being asked to trust are just evil people. The sadistic old woman who was sending people out to the woods to die and was about to murder Sisu being a prime example
"Quick, everyone to the water!"
Finally! I'm not the only one who was like, "But... There's no water..?"
Lol
I watched this with my brother and SIL and we all immediately said that
@@TheCumberCoIlective lol
I assumed there were other parts of water
@@Wqtercolorsss same
I literally said "there is no water, you morons"
Honestly, my biggest problem with this movie, and one of the reasons I feel like its message about trust doesn’t work, is because Raya and Namaari’s relationship is handled really badly and confusingly. The movie acts like they used to be good friends and that they really knew each other, but they didn’t. The only reason Namaari was being nice to Raya to begin with was because she was tricking her into letting her see the gem so she could take it. She literally meets Raya and betrays her in the same scene. I feel like if they did something similar to Moses and Ramses’s relationship from the Prince of Egypt where they grew up together as childhood friends, but due to the ongoing feud with their clans and their parents’ obsession with getting the gem, they slowly drifted apart and became enemies, then that would be a much more compelling and heartbreaking story, and it would at least give Raya a slightly better reason for being willing to trust her at all again. And I don’t normally say this, but honestly, I think Frozen did a better job with its theme about trust. While I would argue it’s not explicit or the main point of the story, I feel like there is an underlying theme when it comes to Anna and Elsa and how they trust/don’t trust people. Anna is extroverted, energetic, and willing to let anyone into her life, while Elsa is introverted, isolated, and unwilling to let anyone into her life out of fear of accidentally hurting them. The movie shows through Elsa’s isolation and through Hans being the twist villain that being too trustful or too untrustful can be dangerous. That is a way more interesting way to teach a message about trust to kids in my opinion. Anyway, let me know if u agree.
63 people so far agree with you for a reason! You are 100% correct in your observations! I felt that Frozen had a better story, presentation for that story, better focus, and it all made sense.
I mean why would Raya trust Namaari again... After such a betrayal?
Raya just met Namaari and ooh they both liked dragons (uh .. wouldn't everyone if the WHOLE WORLD had such respect and honor for dragons who they looked at like gods) and let her see something she was supposed to protect with her life and had trained years to even get the privilege of getting to even see herself?
Actually .. that should have been yet another Sin. Raya trains for years to even SEE it yet shows Namaari on the first day they met.
I’m still wondering why they didn’t have like 30 guards all willing to commit Mass murder to protect the stone instead of 2 people who would be , so so to want to kill a single person
My question exactly.
there was a whole security system to protect the stone but if i remember correctly, raya turned it off to let that girl in, and that’s how everyone got to the gem.
@@JoeMama-tw6guyea this wouldn’t be problem if there was more guards who be like
Yea no raya get tf out
@@calmgoodfire4662 Nobody was trusted and nobody would be a real guard.
@@ballsofplastic yea have them outside and the most loyal at least in front of the traps
Like dam raya was a guard and on her first day and the first person she met
Disabled traps and let in a random ass girl
Like really I’m sure there’s some people in your country that’s loyal enough to do some killing or for the very least be willing to die for the stone
No sin for the father acting like his daughter isn’t all a sudden two times the size and age from when they were last together
well he would know that would happen since he knew he was going to be turned to stone and he knows that times still goes on
@@dragonkitty5578 no because raya's father and the rest of the people had heard of the stories or even knew the people who were turned to stone then revived. sisu hadn't heard of all that because she didn't get to see the other dragons get revived. yeah he wouldn't know how much time passed by seeing a girl that looked like raya, and coming to him could only be raya. initially he could be a little shocked but he would definitely recognize her and realize how much time passed.
@@dragonkitty5578 Raya called him Pa aka dad, she was the only one standing from the direction of the voice. Also any shock he would have would be overpowered by relief and joy.
He was turned to stone for like 10 years, that's why he didn't age-
@@dragonkitty5578 If you hadn't noticed, Sisu's a little, uh...touched in the head. Of course she thought no time had passed.
I can't believe CinemaSins didn't sin the rather unhealthy message this movie attempted to deliver:trust everyone all the time,no matter what.
Namaari never apologized about the coup she started when they were kids, stooped to victim-blaming Raya for killing Sisu when it was Namaari herself that brought a crossbow to their negotiation and aimed it at them in the first place.Her mother may have influenced her but in the end, the person who decides how Namaari acts is Namaari herself. She never apologized on-screen and that was a missed opportunity.
Sisu's story about how her siblings trusted her with the gem is no way parallel to what Raya went through: Sisu was NOT harmed by what her siblings did, Raya was hurt by Namaari did and once again, Namaari didn't act like the adult she thought she was and apologize to Raya.
My favorite part of the trust everyone no matter what message is that the character pushing it the hardest got burned for blindly trusting people three times.
@@Tempusmon I really hate their moral of story. Literally what are they thinking?
@@yamatoedge2425 My best guess is that at some earlier stage they were also going to make a point about being too trusting and have the leads find a balance together. This would explain why despite the message seemingly being trust at all costs they actually punish Sisu for blindly trusting people.
Feminazis dude.
Thank you. Such a missed oppurtunity on teaching kids not to trust everyone while also the importance of apology is gone now.
I feel like this movie also incorporated (too much) "modern slang" in a movie that was supposed to be in a somewhat ancient fantasy set and kinda... felt annoying at some points. Or is it just me?
It was extremely immersion breaking, yeah. Jarring, really.
not just you i really didnt like it it sorta pulled me out of the world
Agreed, I didn't like it. It's a pretty common trope for the comic relief character (the genie in Aladin, Mushu, etc) but in this movie EVERYONE had to have at least a couple of oddly modern yet outdated quibs
Ya not alone
That how I felt with the whole “dragon nerd” thing
So me and my dad watched this film and at the end he was like "How is that Fang mother not locked up or something??" I mean, she was ready to backstab the world lol
2:32: Wow, what a dumb Remark of Cinema Sins.
Wow.
Just Wow.
Your right man i stil hate her
Why didn't she represent Fang for a public apology to all the other nations, especially Heart?
Riiii like she basically said forget everyone else😭✋
Same thing but with namari like she would be crucified for almost killing sisu and almost ending the entire world's amount of water
also, "revered magical being of untold power is actually a bumbling idiot" cliche
Am I the only guy who actually likes that cliche? I'm honestly tired of the 'brilliant, emotionless, revered magical being of untold power' thing. the 'bumbling idiot' thing reminds me of God from Monty Python and The Holy Grail.
"Oh, don't grovel! One thing I can't stand, it's people groveling!"
@@hughmorris7557 nah, I like this cliche.
@@hughmorris7557 nope it was designed so you would like it. After all there is literally nothing scarier than the thought of a all powerful being who is emotionless and logic based because this mean they probably will not care for most human life. And this terrifies humanity so the common trope is to picture beings who wield such powers either as overly benevolent( as see in all religions mostly) or bumbling lovable idiots ( as since in most media). Because it is natural to fear emotionless inhuman beings so its only natural you as a human and as a mortal would like the idea of a flawed or more humane wielder of extreme power. Even though most beings of extreme power are likely not idiots because of well literally all we know about what responisblities such power holds. Of course, clinging and liking such a trope is your minds effort of hope that if such beings actually exist they wouldnt be too cold or emotionless towards humanity. So no you would not be the only one but the more pessimisstic humans would believe in a more emotionless depiction because negativity. So nope you arent special or strange, its only natural you do
@@hughmorris7557 It wasn’t about whether you like the cliche or not. Also you’re never the only one to anything. There’s always going to be someone that feels the same way as you.
I actually like this cliche
The thing that kinda of pissed off was that Fang was like “who do you think they are going to blame, if everything goes back to normal?” As if they didn’t do anything wrong, of course they SHOULD have been held accountable, they started the fight!
I mean yeah, they started it, but everyone took part in the greed. They should not take the sole blame....idk that’s just my opinion
@@chaoxiangalula4086 I get your point, but it just rubbed me the wrong way because it felt like they weren’t willing to recognize their wrong action.
It want so much a lack of accountability as it was "if we fix everything, we're gonna be turbo-fucked for breaking it in the first place" which is a *decent* point and all but the alternative is you have a world full of insta-"kill" rock fog that's only repelled by water and dragon magic. Some lumps you gotta take.
@@sarkasticchik9133 ohhhhh yeah that makes sense
They're a land primarily led by feminists. As if feminists are ever held accountable
The fact that Raya trusted someone despite knowing them for probably only 20 minutes and then CONTINUED to trust her even after she is revealed to be in possession of something she shouldn't be in possession of deserves a sin, maybe even ten of them.
If she had been presented as naively optimistic beforehand, maybe not-but up until right before the other nations arrived she was all about how to fight them off because she just assumed they were coming to attack. I guess maybe she thought “if this girl disobeyed her fellow delegates to get that thing, maybe she’s more likely to be on my side than on their side”?
Raya's biggest flaw is that it tried to cram so much into one movie. There was no time to get attached to any characters, or for them to develop a convincing bond. Imagine if this had been mini series instead. Even if the graphics took a hit, the writers would have had more time to work with to tell a compelling story.
The thing that pisses me off about this movie is the rivers. They could flow into the dragon shaped lake. But instead like 20+ lakes all flow OUT. Why are they flowing out? Where are they going? Where does the water for the lake come from? WATER DOESNT FLOW OUT FROM A LAKE IN MULTIPLE PLACES. All that had to happen is the water flows into the lake from these rivers. This one thing just pisses me off. Have they never seen how rivers and lakes work? Anyway. Please make reasonable water features in your magic dragon Disney movies.
I was expecting a "Disney doesn't know how rivers work" sin when I got here. But, geographically speaking, multiple rivers *could* conceivably flow out of a lake, BUT these rivers flow to nowhere. And I suppose the reversal of the water could mean that the rivers were flowing backwards before Sisu was revived, but then, if all springs lead to the lake, regardless of geography, where is the rest of the planet?
Yeah this always irritates me to no end in worldbuilding. My dad and I have spent literal hours discussing the map in Red Dead Redemption 2 and how it makes no sense.
I hadn't thought about that until you pointed it out, now I can't be not mad 😡😡😡
One thing that made me mad was that the dragons didn’t come back for whatever reason the first time, but then they MAGICALLY COME BACK THE NEXT TIME. There was no difference in the blasts.
so, I didn't like this movie or its message, but I think that the point there was that the dragons were already good, but humans are bad, so with humans still in the world, acting badly towards each other, there wasn't enough power in that first blast to undo all the damage, but when humans finally started working together (because the bad cloud thingies came about specifically because of human discord) it was finally enough to undo all the damage... I assume...
@@amentlik I think you have it right. Also, humans didn't just cooperate, they willingly gave up the stones and sacrificed themselves to the druun in the hope of restoring the gem. That sacrifice may have given the extra "oomf" that allowed the dragons to come back. Not well explained by the movie though.
I think it was because the gem brought out the greed in people and everyone was separated, but then when people put trust in each other, restoring the harmony that was broken, then and only then could the dragons come back.
Dragons are superior beings. Dragons trusting each other: almost meaningless, just strong enough to bring back puny humans. Humans trusting each other: fucking amazing, strong enough to bring back even dragons!
@@amentlik but then there’s the issue that it was only that group the rest of them were acting business as usual so it still shouldn’t have worked
I thought for a magic rock everyone wanted… She got the pieces back pretty damn easy.
The lack of resistance or desire for anyone else to get them is crazy. Take the first piece she found for example, it was just sitting there in an Indiana jones trap cave for less than 6 years so people definitely knew the rock that protects them from the druun was there but there is no evidence that anyone else ever tried to get it.
Yeah only the main characters seemed to care at all about the rocks, and depending on how that's set up I could forgive that much (though as it is, it's still sinful) but for the macguffins to be so unimpressive for most people it just makes it all the more sinful to not have raya, in full dragon form, say hey give me the stones (sorry, "trust me with the stones") so I can use my dragon magic to fix stuff.
@@Tempusmon the evidence was the statues Raya saw along the way. She had a stone piece with her, they didn’t. I’m pretty sure the idea was that everyone who tried to get them, as well as everyone who would have guarded them, got druuned in the process.
As a joke, me and my brothers call it “Raya and the Overpriced Premier Access”
Edit: I FORGOT I MADE THIS COMMENT! Thanks for the likes, like a ton, it may seem tiny, but I have never had a comment this popular!
The only acceptable title
Yeah, I figured they learned their lesson when nobody paid to watch this movie, but then they did it again with Black Widow.
lol
Right?! What ere they thinking with that price?! You could literally go to a movie theater for cheaper
Because this movie reminds me a little bit of Avatar the Last Airbender, I’m gonna call this either Avatar and the Last Dragon or Raya the Last Airbender.
Raya: "I just really, really want my Ba back."
What Sisu should have replied: "Your Ba? Bi***, i want my entire species back!"
Bruh, even though the movie is PG, which is impossible to add that line of language, lol. xD
@@Cosmic76Guardian wooosh
@@Cosmic76Guardian Benchuri (that's it was pronounced, idk how to spell it) it their replacement for the other
yeah screw raya for wanting to have her dad back when other people also have problems. obviously her dad being basically dead means nothing and she shouldnt care.
@William I believe it’s “binturi”.
I'm surprised you didn't sin the fact Raya acted like she knew Namari for ages when she betrayed her, when in truth it was like 6 hours. She goes on to say she knows how to push Namari's buttons as if she found out all of Namari's secrets and pet peeves in those 6 hours when she was like 12.
For a movie called “Raya and the last dragon” I would’ve expected more Raya and the last dragon instead of “Raya and the broken world and oh yeah there is a dragon too”
Right tho haha
And then the dragon was some cringe mutated my little pony thing...
@@Mobin92 dragons in East Asia are depicted like that. The artists and creators did their research and animated accordingly. Go Google dragons drawing from any south east Asian country
@@Mobin92 Super ANNOYING cringe
@@KingYugiMotto99 I think they're referring to the bubblegum pastel colors and the soft, rounded angles.
I watched this movie with some of my friends and when Namaari's mom said look around my friend said, "Everything the light touches is our kingdom."
lol
Wait what was this a reference too? I think I might know but I'm not sure lol-
@@bsweeting1481 Lion king
@@encryptedsnipes6749 Ok thank you
When is that? (time stamp please)
Logic of this movie:
4 dragons turn themselves into a gem that protects people, but somehow if you break it and put it back together it will revive those 4 dragons as well as every other dragon who died...
Imagine at the beginning of the movie when the gem gets broken, if people put the pieces back together, out of nowhere all the dragons get revived for no reason...
Isn't it also a thing that they Finally Trust each other?
Come quickly, my lord! A dragon's been sighted near the western watchtower!
@@alexhosten1508 yes that's very much so the message to trust people, but in some ways it doesn't work because it's saying people need to not trust each others first... Just think if all tribes were united in the beginning the gem wouldn't have been broken, and the dragons wouldn't have been revived...
"Augghhh! You have a peice!?"
"If I told you I didn't lose the puppy,but went,'look I have a peice' how would you feel?!?!"
@@berengustav7714 Surprised he didn't bring up this line. Easily the funniest line in the movie.
Oooh and don't forget!
1) The message of the movie is to learn to trust people... which they demonstrate by making the protagonist trust the person who practically caused the end of the world, has shown no remorse for it, and has only ever interacted with her when she was trying to kill her.
2) Making a movie themed around an action hero martial artist princess and giving her enemies that cannot be harmed by physical means
2a) ...which makes the climax just being people holding their little Not-Phials of Galadriel glowy rocks and shouting "Haaaa!" at formless shadow things
3) Everybody here comes from a warrior culture but the only people that we ever see really demonstrating that are Raya and Naamiri. Kind of makes the giant warrior guy from Spine pointless when there's nothing for him to do.
This movie really is a lame version of Moana. It’s got amazing concepts and stunning visuals, but the execution and pacing was really off.
Like Moana , Mulan, how to train a dragon with some boss baby n kungfu panda thrown in at random, every single part of this movie we've already seen done better
To me Raya looks like the adult version of Moana. For me she does
Its a lame version of the avatar!
@@woolypuffin392 yesss like a watered down Avatar
Only thing that i actually didn’t like was the ending, if the dragons stayed died it would have pushed the topic of we have to work/stay together
it didnt really bother me much but i see what you're saying. you can argue that everyone just came back to live as one nation cuz the dragons are back/the crystal thingy is gone, not because they actually learned anything
Right! These movies always seem to focus on a chosen one or relic that is needed to solve everything instead of the people actually doing something
All I’m saying that if Disney didnt come at the writers saying we want a typical happy ending, and they went with the original ending they planned I feel like it would be a great movie with a very real point that the next generation will need to understand. We are all humans and we need to treat this planet with love, that’s all, but I understand gotta make it for kids(just I think there smarter then most believe)
that was actually the original ending, but osnat shurer was like nah the dragons gotta be alive
@Robert Giese What exactly do you think the entire premise of the movie was, if not the consequences of not trusting people and coming together?
I mean honestly, the consequences are already there and the entire movie is about resolving that consequence by undoing the lack of trust, which was the only way the darkness was defeated. And it was only when people trusted each other again that the dragons were able to return.
So, yeah, I really don't understand your point. They lived and witnessed the consequences, and now have a story to pass down to generations warning them of what could happen if they fall back to the greedy, mistrustful, and backstabby ways.
*Raya's dad is preparing stew*
Hey, what's up, guys, welcome back to Binging with Ba-bish.
ok that was funny
3:27 The real question is why this test is the final test necessary, especially when that test forces the test taker to use offensive techniques, when a guardian would need to primarily use defensive techniques.
This really would have worked better as a tv series. There's just too much plot, which makes the the pacing feel rushed.
"...and people being people, they fought over the gem..."
So. The End?
Right?
Cause with that single line, you've now _guaranteed_ I'll be completely uninvested in whatever bs 'happily ever after' you're going to try to sell me on.
If you're going to use "because people are trash" as a major inciting plot point, I'm gonna be hard pressed to believe you about 90 minutes later when the movie tries to tell me everything worked out totally fine in the end.
@Wiksolop72 wow good point
even though this realistically is what would happen because like many a movie states, people are indeed trash
Is it really that crazy of a concept to grasp?? To make u invested Do they have to go into detail with stories of history to explain why people are trash to you or is that basic knowledge that we’ve come to understand over years of umm idk living???
Right, the movie would’ve been perfect if it ended with everyone dead.
@@shamewdvsdvnmfev335 I think the point went well over your head
I liked it, but the biggest thing wrong with this movie to me was that it should have been a series instead. It felt so rushed, like a three or four season show that they had condensed down, I couldn't help but imagine if it had gotten the time to do all the worldbuilding and relationships of something like Avatar the Last Airbender, or The Dragon Prince.
Yeah I definitely agree! although the movie itself wasn’t rushed since the animation and effects used throughout were absolutely stunning the story was definitely pushed all into one movie, definitely would’ve done better as a series since each place they visited would’ve been more in depth
Or a videogame, a really cool Legend of Zelda style video game
Agreed. Seeing Raya and the Last Dragon get split up into a trilogy of movies would've been better. More character development and worldbuilding and improving the story's message. Condensing it into a single movie makes everything feel rushed.
at least once, i would like to see an ancient, highly revered person/creature/god/whatever from long ago be revived in the present for a story, and instead of them being another case of casual mannerisms like sisu again, we get more of the comically serious type.
The wish dragon!
Yeah, I think that would have made for a much better movie. There was an insane amount of comic relief that just didn't work. If you HAVE to have a comic relief side kick (which I argue that no, you don't, but Disney's gonna Disney into their toy lines forever) then have ONE, not basically every side character except the antagonist.
"Those ropes are so far apart Shaq could shimmy through them."
Best sin ever.
The only thing I liked about this movie is that it motivated me to watch Avatar The Last Airbender because I was thinking 'I could be watching avatar' the whole movie
God you people compare literally everything from that culture to avatar
Yeah. People compare everything with Avatar. I’ve watched Avatar and Legend of Korra. Both were pretty good but what was the whole big ordeal about it? Why did people go crazy for it back then? I have NEVER even watched Avatar The Last Airbender and The Legend of Korra until the year 2020.
@@MadamoiselleVanessa Legend of Korra wasn't even good. Most hype was from people too happy to see another avatar series to see how much it sucked and then you had the people who only liked it cuz she turned out to be bi in the end lmao.
"the last one is always the right one" is ALWAYS true regardless of movies......why would anyone continue looking for something after they found it?
It's not that it's the last one they're checking, but the last one period. If Sisu hadn't been at that spot, there were no other spots to check.
What IS weird however, is that that particular river, the MAIN END of the TAIL wasn't the one she searched first.
No sin for how Sisu looks like My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic??
That deserved a sin xD
Sisu's design was SO terrible. They set the story in a very eastern coded environment, then made the dragon look like a cross between a my little pony and Elsa's Fursona. Completely immersion breaking and such an eyesore, I can't believe he never sinned that
@@quinnperry3197 eyesore, that's the word...
@@quinnperry3197 they should've made the dragon unable to talk too
fr did you see Sisu's brother, looked like princess celestia.
Movie: Raya and the Last Dragon
TH-cam: Ah, yes, Moana
I still can’t get over how much Sisu looks like Elsa in dragon form 😐Its like they just copy pasted her face onto the body of an eastern dragon. 🐉I feel like it would have been better if they had gone with a different design for the character
She kinda does
The original concept design was so much prettier. She actually looked like an Eastern dragon rather than a My Little Pony character.
This is actually based on Naga and add some legs, but for some reason they decided to call it dragon …
@@demoncyborg5458 I just looked it up and I could not agree more. The concept art looked way better than the finished product. I understand that they were going for a more out-of-the-box design, but I felt like they went too out-of-the-box and not enough out-of-the-box at the same time with Elsa-faced Sisu
@@demoncyborg5458 facts
Wayy too much storytelling and exposition in this movie. I liked the trust theme, and how Raya had to trust Namaari before anything could be fixed, that was a good climax, however, throughout the movie they kinda shoved that theme in your face. It was getting repetitive and annoying how much the writers tried to highlight Raya's trust issues... We get it, oh my god.
ALSO (sorry for the rant), the side characters were useless. I did not care one bit for the big guy, the small guy, and the baby (why was there a baby).
This movie had potential, but it became another Disney film with better visuals/animation than the story. They really gotta up their game with their animated movies and understand that the classic animations that we all remember today weren't because of the fabulous visuals, but because of the memorable storyline. I hope Luca is better.
Fun fact: Luca is way way bettef
I haven't seen the movie yet and I won't, but this movie feels too generic and repetitive. it's essentially a mixed moana and mulan story.
Agreed, I don't understand why they go out of their way to make stories MORE convoluted instead of simpler stories that kids can understand. I think that would be more impactful. In this case, I think they did need characters from each of the districts, ya know, for plot reasons, but I agree the baby at least was super dumb (and I only liked the big guy because he was voiced by BD Wong). In fact, I only liked the dragon because she was voiced by Awkwafina! And the visuals were amazing, but I don't think my kids got it AT ALL, and I was even confused. Disney tries to make you feel things by forcing them down your throat, this is becoming a theme.
At this point they have a plot formula with checks in this point,
gullible likeable main hero with flaws check,
lovable animal sidekick check,
comedic sidekicks check,
Most of the new animation movies do not try to make something out of the box for most likely it causes fear in execs for it might flop.
Hence, we are stuck with these lackluster narratives with teh same ol reskinned cast, acts and plot elements.
@@dorukhanozen2580 Exactly. They did the same thing with Frozen 2, played it safe. Frozen 2 followed the generic "Hero's Journey" format that everyone is familiar with (the *call to adventure* was _literally_ a call, oh my gosh). They're so afraid at this point that their fear is actually working against them. I hope someone over there stands up to the execs and speaks on behalf of the audience who doesn't want a set formula, but a unique and meaningful story that we can relate to...
I would like to point out that this entire movies plot was due to a pre teen girl trusting some outsider girl she never met before THINKING that she could keep a secret of where a precious gemstone was and NOT call to arms every tribe in the area. I mean there's child like innocence and sheer stupidity that im sure even 6 year olds were scratching their heads when they first saw this
I have a book smart(straight a student) preteen step daughter, you'd be surprised how dumb they are, my step daughter almost gave up our address to a little girl she never met before while we were in line to get lunch, this movie sucked ass hard but that part ain't why
Actually that part was believable. Not saying there aren't any preteens with common sense, but if you think back to a time when you met someone you _really_ got along the first time meeting and thinking "wow we're going to be besties forever cause we clicked so fast," forgetting that you barely know this other child and revealing everything about your life to them. It's nativity that does exist, and it's very common in preteens especially because they're so trusting never imagining the bad intentions many people may have.
@@johnbush5347 Exactly.
Most kids are naive. It was the only believable part of the movie
I was actually really curious how things would have gone if the girls hadn’t gone there. The other Fang folks knew to respond to the flare, so there was obviously some kind of plan in place. Perhaps Namaari wasn’t the only one given a flare, perhaps the plan was for someone to sneak around and find the gem chamber on their own, and Raya trusting Namaari just made things go a little faster.
when i watched the movie, i called the protagonist 'walmart moana' and the antagonist 'karen'
Glad to know I'm not the only one who didn't find that baby amusing
it's so goddamn infuriating, no wonder Raya looked at it and said "remind me to never have children"
Bruh you ppl are taking cartoons too seriously
@@jiji7250aw do you feel all big and cool after saying that? Cause storytelling is childish and cringe isn't it? It's not a real profession noo it's just people hallucinating trying to make children laugh. It's not like there's anything beyond flashy colors on the screen, because cartoons are childish! Hey let's discuss how miserable we are cause we don't have stacks of paper with numbers on them in our houses! Cause we're taking a cartoon too seriously and this person doesn't approve of that!
@@alexchristoffels194 savage
@@jiji7250 Why are you even here commenting when the whole point of these videos is to be critical, because its fun?
You came here to be offended.
It’s funny I was having high hopes for this movie only to be disappointed. And for Luca I thought it wasn’t going to be good but found it to be a pretty good movie.
Exactly the same for me!
@@3nowStorm honestly neither did I! The art style really threw me cause it was..different(?) but a friend told me that they think Alberto has bpd which I have as well and I watched it just to see if he did. And then just while watching it, I absolutely loved the entire story. It was different than I was expecting and the story wasn’t a stereotypical one either. Really took me by surprise
Luca’s okay. It’s nothing spectacular, innovative, or new, but it’s not challenging or offensive either. It’ll probably be somewhat forgotten in a couple of years
What’s wrong with you stupido 😂😂
thissss
12:46 need I say more? I always think that song whenever a character says Look Around. God damn you Lin Manuel-Miranda!
🎵Look around look around, how lucky we are to be alive right now. Look around look around, how lucky we are to be alive right now.🎵 🎵History is happening in Manhattan and we just happen to be in the greatest city in the world!🎵
@@alicebthegachaweirdo8378 IN GREATEST CITY IN THE WOOOORRRRRLDDD
Jeremy saying "drippin" is something I didn't know I needed
I pull up
Lesgoo
That ain't dababy, that's my baby
A personal sin from myself. They set up the mom/queen of fang to be the big baddy, with her saying ominous sh*t like "I will take care of this." then she just stops existing for the last 30 minutes of the movie. it would have been more Disney if the daughter listened to them to put down the crossbow, and then the mother barged in and shot Sisu. My point being it feels like they rewrote the ending the way the mom acts like she is gonna do something stupid, and then just peaces out.
Is no one gonna talk about how there was literally no fucking build up to sisu’s arrival. Like after the flashback it was like cry cry aw sad I can’t find sisu if only. I had plot armor! And also the pacing;
“Raya and the Last Dragon” reminded me of “Avatar The Last Airbender” thought the whole movie. EVEN THE TITLES sounds similar
Especially with the different nations and the fact that Namaari was trying to act like Zuko.
@@calebproductions1264 i like zuko, for the fact that he's become an interesting villain arc subversion (although i wouldn't call him a villain due to being a product of his environment as a young and impressionable child), but namaari doesn't get enough screentime to develop that sort of complexity. she gets more time as a bitch that's unsympathetic about what she's doing than she does realizing the damage she's contributing to.
@@randompromises1038 anti-villain is a good term of who Zuko is or was, same thing with the Babylon Rogues from the Sonic Riders series.
@@calebproductions1264 ye fair point thank you
Omg that's literally what I was thinking 😂😂
While watching this I was so certain you were gonna make a point about the fact that the dragon gem didn’t bring back all the dragons the first time but in order to have a happy ending all the dragons came back the second time 🙄
My guess is that Sisu was asleep, hence why she couldn't summon the other dragons. Her siblings did entrust her with all their magic.
@@lunayen but sisu is dead at the end when the dragon gem was reassemble.
@@whattoputin
I'm talking about the 500 years *before* she was shot to death.
@@lunayen yes I get that. She was asleep hence she could not summon the other dragons. But then when all the other dragons were revived at the end, she is dead. So she really is not that important in relation to summoning the other dragons.
12:13 do you know what else has nine stomachs? A flying bison from avatar the last airbender
This movie could have finished when everyone changed into stones and that would be beautiful but no they had to make a happy ending.
How is everyone turning to stone a good ending?
I’d be ok with that ending
@@theaboveaveragefangirl Dr. Stone prequel. lol
@@theaboveaveragefangirl Its not a good ending, we need more bad endings. Bad endings typically happen more with stage plays as the characters can come out and you see that they're ok but in movie adaptations there's usually a good ending because once the scene ends, thats it, theres no bows after curtain call.
I ended up laughing and saying to myself "Yo, imagine if the studio was bold enough that they just went to the credits *right now*" when Namaari joined the group and turned to stone, and the gem's light fully turned off.
It could have been a powerful, impactful, and oddly satisfying "bad ending" movie, where it ceases to be one of deus ex magicka, and instead becomes one of accepting the time that you have alongside those that you've come to trust, regardless if your plans or goals succeed...
Like, they could have pulled an Inception-esque ending by having the camera linger longer on the lightly losing light loss, and have it feel full of futile flickers for the finale frames, exempting the extinguishing of the illumination's emissions and leaving the ending *just* open-ended enough that the viewers get to debate whether or not the world gets fixed, without overtly telling us if it does. . .
Buuuut. . . It's Disney Animation, and not Disney Marvel, so the movie's en- *has* to -ding with Smiley Smiley Happy Juice™.
Oh my gosh, I don't normally just bust out laughing, but 0:54 got me.
"This is what we used to be"
"Antelope?"
XD
“Actually giving up and getting stoned sounds pretty great right now so…”
So glad you actually just ended there lmao
should have added a hundred sins for the dragons being basically discount My Little Ponies
Huh?
@@WhiplashBunny They look so similar!
Merchandising, merchandising, where the real money from the movie is made.
It was an interpretation of an asian dragon though. The only difference is the size of the eyes
'discount my little ponies' ok I just died of laughter
The people were hoarding the stones like Gollum’s “precious”. That one chick was acting like it was the stone from the hobbit. The thing that I will only refer to as the “blob of darkness” was an animated version of either “the darkness” from Twitches or “the it” from A Wrinkle in Time. The flash to the present time in the beginning of the movie was similar to Rey’s introduction in The Force Awakens. Can we get ONE Disney movie that is completely original?
Huh, and I was thinking it was the “character turns to stone so everyone else can go through all the emotions of the character dying, but in a way we can bring them back later” that sounded too familiar, both from Narnia and Mewtwo Vs Mew.
@@dbseamz you guys know that trope is a thing that happens in other stories right?
@@dustyrose192 of course I do, that’s why I listed some other stories in which it happened.
@@dbseamz don’t forget frozens version but with ice.
His summary of Raya in the description was basically how I felt. Besides a few things holding it back it could have been a good movie. Oh well. I’ve been waiting for this, can’t wait to watch!
6:16 Also Raya is thrown into a heavy current river with a surly very heavy metal sword strapped to her back and doesn't drown?
Another sin:
How has none of the statues decayed or break apart?
I KNOW RIGHT!!?
Kid’s film logic, its literally so bad
Magic statues?🤷🏽♂️
Well it's magic
@@PerturbatorFan yes, WHY DOES EVERY DISNEY MOVIE HAS TO HAVE LOGIC THAT MAKES NO SENSE!!?
No comment on how she's she's showing the person she just met the one thing she's supposed to be keeping protected from people like her?
Or how there was a vibe of them going from friends to enemies to lovers, like She-Ra did with Adora and Catra..and it didn't happen. lol
Ok, but grammar though?
@@loturzelrestaurant I suck at English
@@funwithchristina563 You dont have to, though.
@@loturzelrestaurant well, I try not to. Believe me.
6:44 Perhaps Raya got chased away by Namaari and her crew and was unable to reach the river's end.
13:51 Tong was tied up, facing his enemy who had a sword, and an enemy clan outside the walls of his town.
15:04 Well, a lot of them did get Drunn'd...
16:52 Pretty sure that Namaari took her mom's dragon gem piece.
So it's actually 133 sins.
I was watching this, and as soon as Ba threw Raya into the River, I could almost instantly hear your say, "Why didn't he jump into the river?"
He was hurt and probably would have drowned.
No return from that, even if her daughter managed to save the World
yeah he would have drowned but he could have used the crystal in HIS HAND
@@JoeMama-yf8dd He knew that this was the end of the line for him. So what if he used the crystal? They would both still be stuck on that bridge.
He knew that Raya had to leave him behind, so he threw her of, because she never would have left him from her own will.
@@firespark5048 he could of threw raya then use the crystal to at least try to save himself
@@JoeMama-yf8dd ah yes, he couldve thrown his daughter into the wild without any protection
Is it me or is Jeremy getting even MORE creative with the sins? Whatever it is, KEEP DOING IT!
I haven’t heard CinemaSins in a min... this was relaxing 😌
17:29 so, the eternals.
"This is what we used to be"
"Antelope?"
🤣🤣
I gave this over movie over 200 sins myself. I think I was even more harsh. Yes you sinned the con baby's abilities but. The fact that they so casually just take the child wasn't sinned is amazing
I'd rather fight 10 dragon sized Rayas, I just feel like no matter how big the dragon is, it's gonna beat me easily with all that magic, especially of there's 100 of them.
This is the most I've even watched the movie, but it sounds like they could have turned this into a series, with each movie going deep inside the lore and exploring each land. Plus you can have amazing sets and each mcguffin can have a theme tied to them. One could to teach her to trust again, and another could be to teach her to let go of the past (ultimately her ba). Idk I'm thinking like a chinese del tora quest
I agree
I agree this could've worked better as a TV series instead
@@DragonGoddess18 ooh I didn't even think of that. Yeah that would be way better
Or a TV series that builds up 2 a movie, considering how Disney is these days
4:31 actually scared me. I was sitting exactly like that and promptly sat up straight. XD
…. But I’m probably going to slowly slump back into a croissant in a couple of minutes.
I always enjoy when Cinemasins goes over and critiques the various Disney Animated films either by adding or removing a sin.
Oh my god is that homer simpson?
4:25 Wait how did he know? I’m quite literally sitting on the toilet with my back like a croissant with my iPad on my lap.
When Raya put on that ninja outfit, she looks like kitana from Mortal Kombat.
Kitana?
@@N7Slayer typo
Same dude. I was like "Am I the only one think that young/child Raya looks like Kitana from the MK franchise?". 😅
@@Cosmic76Guardian ik😅
Glad I'm not the only one
is it just me, or is there significant "long ago, the four nations lived in harmony. Then everything changed when the Fire Nation attacked!" vibes from the beginning of this movie? especially in the "what do you know about the other lands" part. editing now that i have actually watched the entire EWW vid; i am so glad CinemaSins caught it too!
Why is noone talking about how Raya and Namaari are made out to be archenemies that have basically known each other their entire lives, when in reality they just spent a few hours together once when they were kids? Like I get Namaari’s significance obviously but they seem way too close considering Raya went on the run literally the same day they met, and Namaari presumably only started going after her after she stole the scroll, making it at LEAST a five-year gap.
Also the fact that Namaari had such a haterboner for the girl who was entirely trusting and kind to her when they met. Why?
That bit as kids where they look at the food, and there's that bowl of amazing exotic soup, then one rich girl looks at the other rich girl's rice, gets all sad, like "we rarely get rice...".
Like, wtf, you have nearly everything else. I live in a desert and I rarely get fish. Yeah its expensive, but jesus christ, there's so much else going on. I can only guess it was emotional manipulation.
The only explanation I can think of is that the shared meal scene happened longer after the meeting-the-delegations scene than it looks like. Yes, they’re wearing the same clothes, but Queen Fang has the exact same dress every time we see her even after the six-year time jump so that doesn’t mean anything.
Ravatar the last air dragon 😂
Lol
Lmao right?
I've only seen this once so far, while it was in theater. When I saw Raya and Namaari look at each other outside and see them talking like they were friends, I honestly thought it was gonna be the first girl and girl love interest. But then when it turned out to be a setup, I stood corrected.
Yeah, I know I'm going to sound like a horrible human being for saying this, but I REALLY didn't like the movie, personally.
I thought the writing was too childish while still wanting to be taken seriously, I thought that all the characters were 2-dimensional at best, and the humor was just extremely forced. I also thought that Awkwafina was not a great choice for Sisu's character design as the dragon. When she was the human, I bought it, but when you have a dragon that looks like Elsa's fursona with a voice of your Aunt Margaret on her 12th cigarettes of the day, it's very distracting for me.
I'll admit, the animation is still good, the virtual camerawork is STELLAR, the concepts involved with water dragons are impressive, but I was just not only unsatisfied, but aggravated.
I could just be subliminally comparing this to Tangled, Frozen, Moana, Wreck-It Ralph, or just other better CGI Disney movies, but I just have to say that I think this is very overrated.
I completely agree lol… I also thought the pacing was really weird and sped up, I think it’s because of the ambitious world building, which I did like, but there was no time to explore the world or the characters and there seemed to be no set demographic, parts were kinda serious, other parts completely childish…. I didn’t feel anything for the characters.. maybe if this was a series, with more time to develop and with more mature writing it could have been great, but as it is, I thought it kinda sucked because it completely missed the pacing, characterisation and tone.
Is the movie overrated? To be honest, I've not seen anyone talking about it at all. The most I've heard about this movie is now this Sin's video. I passed on it when I heard they put modern jokes in it that breaks the immersion but that was all I had heard until today. I saw Frozen talked about everywhere and saw Moana talked about a lot, yet this movie? its like it came out, no one saw it, then was forgotten.
I agree. So much potential... and then all we got was a childish plot.
I agreed with everything except the overrated part, there’s is no way this movie can be overrated when literally everyone is hating on it.
I absolutely agree. Superficially pretty but paced and plotted poorly. Awkwafina's voice did not match the "dragon" (it's a fluffy snake ffs) and the dialogue was so annoying. If they'd found middle ground between Sisu's blind trust and Raya's complete distrust it would've been a much better message (i.e You can respect/ work with someone without them earning your trust and you need to learn to look after yourself). Also the Rise of Skywalker mcguffin collecting to get to the final climax is really getting old, is there any Disney climax that does an artifact to collect at the moment??
Wishing stars, sweeping music, trains, fireworks, castle.. Monopoly? 😹
3:36 For real, what's with shows and movies putting CHILDREN in important roles. Kids can't do shit or make wise decisions, as such shows/movies often prove shortly after.
8:08 one sin for cinemasins for the text
Namaari’s mother died because Namaari took the stone to lure Raya and Sisu into trusting her. So she didn’t have it with her to defend herself. Even though I agree it would have been more interesting to have Raya fight both of them and get Namaari onto her side while her mother was there.
18:05 i think the reason no one else goes into the "Hand cup" pose is because other then Raya, everyone else's hands are on someone else or otherwise obstructed.
Boun's hands are around Raya's leg
Tong has one hand on Raya's back and one holding Noi
Noi i think has her hands pressed against Tong? idk she should probably have the cup-hands too, maybe it's because she's on her back instead of standing?
the monkeys have their arms wrapped around Tong's leg
and Namaari has her hand on Raya's shoulder.
Best i can tell, becoming a statue physically moves your body into that pose rather then magically pops you into it, or phases through solid objects. Tong and Namaari don't have their heads pressed up against anyone else, so their heads still take the position. Other then Tong, the Noi, and the monkeys, i think everyone's feet are in the right position too. Tong might have his feet stay in place because of the monkeys around his foot. and again, Noi is being held.
If you were turned to stone while hugging a tree or possibly sleeping in bed, you might keep that pose instead of going cup-hands as well.
Thank you for reminding me of the baby’s name, I knew it was short and started with an N but I couldn’t remember what it was.
@@dbseamz i had to google it myself :P
I loved the fight scenes
5:03 100 Raya sized dragons
11:50 this is the most hated scene in my opinion
12:21 the second option
18:08 this part confused me too, I was like “why aren’t they doing the same pose?”
"the last one is the right one and the chance was that is very slim"
My English copy at school:I will make you search every copy until you find ME
The “Ba back” sin has me on the f l o o r
Lmao when I watched that fight scene with Raya vs Namari with Namari’s army waiting behind her, I immediately thought “ah man, Cinemasins isn’t going to like this.”
I like how, “being good at Cinema Sins” is a sin
Jeremy singing "The Schuyler Sisters" Made me like Jeremy a little more, deadass.
2:32: Wow, what a dumb Remark of Cinema Sins.
Wow.
Just Wow.
I mean, it sounded more like "Stay Alive" to me
@@elpintojr it was certainly not "Stay Alive" here's the completed lyrics of what he said:
"Look Around, Look Around at how lucky we are to be alive right now! History is happening in New York, Angelicaaaa...! WORK!
Angelica…
Oh boy, I've really been looking forward to this one
One of the things you forgot to sin was that bs when Nemari said "you're just as much to blame for Sisu's death as I am". Bitch?? You were the one that shot her in the chest! Those were your arrows lol
EXACTLY
Plus Nemari was the one who betrayed Raya and wanted to get the gem first. So technically, it's Nemari's fault
@@twinklelambayong3593 that whole thing was her fault... selfish bi** lol
This whole movie was basically the gaslighting of Raya.
@@TitorJaraba 😂
I thought Tuk Tuk was adorable. Glad someone else thought so too. Also, that Mushu line sent me 😂
The line "...the lack of creativity in the writers room..." can be said about so many other Disney films and I LOVE IT! 😂🤣😂🤣
I love the fact that the dragon leaps on the clouds since they are also made out of water too, would love to see more if it can make the clouds form into a platform as she surfs trough
Shaq now looks like the guy who ate Shaq so he ain't shimmying anywhere.
“3..2..1.. Care Bear stare!” Made me laugh so hard
7:03 narrator guy never played a game with a pity system
Fun Fact: If you switch "Sisu" to "Susi" it would mean keys in tagalog
Wut is your face
@@eliteanimations7924 Drake with a baseball for a head is my face
Sus
Actually fun fact: Sisu is a Finnish concept described as stoic determination, tenacity of purpose, grit, bravery, resilience, and hardiness.
All traits this movies My Little Pony reject of a dragon seemed to be lacking.
@@stryph42
A movie based on S.E.A theme.
Voiced by East Asian actors.
Sisu's name is based on Finnish
American Movie
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