As mentioned in the video, this is a great discussion where you can learn about how X3D came to be originally: th-cam.com/video/RTA3Ls-WAcw/w-d-xo.html Watch our prior AMD Lab Tour here for more technical details about what AMD does in general: th-cam.com/video/7H4eg2jOvVw/w-d-xo.html And here's our Intel 285K review: th-cam.com/video/XXLY8kEdR1c/w-d-xo.html
nah this failsite already put intel new above all amd x3d chips in gaming performance and lying like hell even the 245 is 4% better then the 7800x3d on this crapsite XD
Wow. So, AMD knew they had a design issue with the prior X3D chips that could cause early chip death, and they elected to limit power to make sure that never happened, even though it slightly reduced chip performance. That's almost exactly Intel did with the 14900K. Oh, wait, NVM.....
Everyone talks about competition but nobody seems to bring up how greedy these companies really are. I guess it's not brought up because they would do the same thing if they were AMD or Intel.
@@raphaelsantana2513 because you don't know how it turns out yet. If price to performance is much worse than the 7800X3D, you should probably go with that.
@@andycarollsuarez right now, it's only much better on paper. We had this many times before where something looked really good on paper, but didn't perform quiet as good as everyone expected.
The x3D was probably the reason why zen5 wasn't a big performance change but it was a architectural refresh. They made the zen5 compatible with SRAM under the CCD.
Yeah, that definitely took a TON of time. And, they could only make so many changes at once. Even the 8% gain cited here is disappointing, but it was a necessary step to allow leaps going forward. At these prices, I really don't feel the need to trade out my 5600X. At most, I'd get a used 5800X3D.
My thoughts, as well. Without the structural interference, this stackup is probably much easier to manufacture. AGESA has an "N stacks" X3D option, where N can currently go up to 4. This suggests they can make CPUs with 4 V-Cache dice. That would mean up to 288MB of L3 per CCD. It's basically the SRAM cache equivalent of HBM at this point lol.
It's more likely that Zen5 is a much bigger design improvement but gaming is bottleneck mostly by IO/CAHCE. Doesn't matter how robust your core if you don't have the bandwidth to feed it.
It's kinda crazy hearing that the 7800x3d was actually battling with weights on. Had AMD been able to design the 7800x3d in the same way as the 9800x3d we probably would've seen one of the greatest chips ever released. If the zen 5 x3d chips are as great as all these early leaks are claiming it is, Intel is going to have a very long uphill battle when it comes to gaming performance.
@@__alves_ Sadly no, that was quite a while ago. I'm nearly out of them at a price I was willing to pay, so hopefully a binned X3D SKU is sooner than later.
I purchased the 7950x3d and then amd brings out the 7800x3d which is better for gaming so not so sure that the 9950x3d will be much different than the 9800x3d
@@jwar2163 Except it's not that much better when the Windows scheduler is working properly. They nearly perform exactly the same, with the 7800X3D slightly outpacing the 7950X3D and sometimes the 7950X3D comes out on top.
@@jwar2163Unless there's a problem with this die solution at higher frequencies, in theory it should be able to do dual CCD vcache at nearly the same boost frequency now. Judging by this one I'm guessing binned silicon could at least be something like 5.5 GHz boost on both CCDs. That would make a lot more sense as a product.
I will be forever thankful i got the 7800X3D for $300 thanks to the 1 day pricing error that Microcenter had nearly a year ago now. I'm sure the 9800X3D will be even better, but it's crazy how the 7800X3D still is topping charts even as it continously gets older
Ur lucky. 9800X3D will at most be 8% faster. Very likely same sh\t as all Zen5%... plus they inflated the price like crazy only cuz there's no competition.
@@honeybadger6275 it is indeed crazy. But not exactly cuz 5800X3D is otherworldly (its good AF, Im not saying its not) rather thanks to Intels sh/tty launches (I mean, "next gen" perform even worse than last gen)
I wanted to switch my 7900x for a 7800x3d back in April, Microcenter had it listed for $310 open box. But when I went to pick it up, they said they don't want me to have any issues, so they gave me a new one instead! Sold my 7900x for the same price, the best free upgrade I ever made😊
@@mastafull Yeah, or maybe they had reason to suspect that there was something wrong with it, or maybe that was a good excuse for an employee to take the "damaged merchandise which can't be sold" home for themselves XD
They probably just didn't have it in stock for some reason, and had to give you a new chip, just said that to make you think they were doing you a solid.
since the technical reason for not doing so (having to limit the frequency due to the heating issues) they could, but then there is the marketing reason where it's possible that they think that you should buy the more expensive threadripper if you really need dual x3D (since it most likely doesn't give any benefits to games).
There are strong rumors that they actually WILL put vcache on both CCDs. If so, and if there's no latency issues... the 9950X3D will be a complete monster. 16 cores, 32 threads, 200 MB cache? On a new, optimized architecture? Je-sus. Wait and see I suppose!
@@GigAnonymous I really don't see why they wouldn't, unless they're worried that it would slow down the production output of all X3D CPUs maybe? Not that many people would really benefit from such a CPU, but some people would legitimately want that, because there are actually some non-gaming workloads which that would be very useful for. Also, some people would buy it just because it would be an insanely powerful CPU for all types of workloads, and some people just like to pay extra for the bragging rights of having the fastest CPU.
I'm really pleased with AMD's transparency. Hopefully, the 9800x3d is a good chip and does well, and they learn that transparency is better than exaggerated numbers.
Sometimes they exaggerate the numbers by accident. It sounds ridiculous, but I'm dead serious. Sometimes they just get the numbers wrong by mistake... It's a very AMD way of screwing things up. They really need to add in an extra layer of quality control when it comes to the benchmark data they release in product announcements. They've screwed the pootch twice now in two years with two separate product lines, setting expectations high and then setting everyone up for disappointment. In the case of the high-end RDNA3 graphics cards in particular, it really was just a mistake. They were getting those numbers, but they weren't with stable drivers. They assumed that the drivers were going to become stable soon without needing to lower any clockspeeds, but they ended up having to lower the frequency of the signal between the MCM chiplets and the compute chiplets, I believe, to get them to run stable in the end, and that unfortunately hurt performance pretty significantly.
@@syncmonism it's not just GPUs though, they lied through their teeth about the entire Zen 5 so far, for example clearly claiming 9700x is faster than 14700k in gaming and 9900x being faster than 14900k in gaming, none if which was true, and of course the entire claimed uplift over Zen 4. If it happened once or twice it could be passed off as a mistake, but it became pretty much standard and most people already automatically expect AMD to lie when they claim _anything_ . I mean, "they assumed that the drivers were going to become stable soon without needing to lower any clockspeeds" - come on now :)
Makes sense to me that the 3D-cache was not the heat-sensitive component. I was wondering if moving it underneath the cores wouldn't leave it in a place where potentially MORE heat gets trapped in some scenarios. But if the cores are the most heat-sensitive component, then having them in direct contact with the heat spreader is obviously the best.
That wouldn't be too surprising. 7800x3d definitely suffered in single core and multi core workloads because of the lower clock speeds. Still an incredible chip, but this is their 3rd gen of x3d so some big improvements wouldn't be surprising.
I bought my 7800X3D the very day Zen5 reviews went live. Was ~$360 at the time, but quickly inflated to the silly price we see now. Sure, the 9800X3D will be faster, but since I game at 4K with settings cranked up (except ray tracing), I'm mostly bound by my GPU (7900XTX) and would still be with a CPU that's ~8% faster. I'll be just fine for the next three or four years. The only way AMD could interest me in a Zen5 3D chip is if both CCDs of the Ryzen 9 chips have 3D V-cache.
If there is no limitation any more when it comes to overclocking, I think X3D parts should become the standard for AMD. Maybe if they eliminate the non 3D parts and simplify the product line, they can drive the prices a bit down. Because as of right now, no matter how impressive the performance is, $500 is A LOT for an 8-core CPU.
They're definitely not going to stop selling them without the X3D cache any time soon. they always want to be able to segment their product stack to occupy more price points
Worst part is that if that is the msrp price, think of how horrendous the prices will be in europe, I certainly presume in my country it will be at launch about 700€ or so maybe a bit more maybe a bit less 😂😂😂
@@claimdud3104 Exactly. I live in Europe as well, prices are hugely inflated here. A $500 part can easily be seen at €650 which is around $700. Imagine paying $700 for an 8-core CPU.
I got a 7950x3d for 459$ a few months ago and the performance has been great so far. I'm just going to keep it for the next couple years most likely since cpus didn't improve a lot this year, and it's still more than enough for everything I do.
I went with the 9950x regular from the 10980XE, best money I've ever spent. Some of my clocks break 6Ghz for a split second on air cooling after a Hydra 6 hour curve optimizer auto tune. Plenty of potential on the new CPUs.
I bought my 7800X3D in August at Micro Center for $225, and have the receipt to prove it. I didn't even realize it was special pricing but I guess it really was.
I hope all of the shuffling of the V-cache and changes associated with it don't produce unintended consequences, as major changes often do. I'd give these at least a few weeks/months post-release to see what people report before jumping on one.
I think 9800X3D will have a good overclock headroom. IMHO with good 360mm liquid cooling 9800X3D can reach 5.5GHz to 5.6 depending on the the silicon lottery.
has anyone of the reviewers tried out how well you can overclock a 9700x yet? Because this cpu should in principle now be just as good an overclocker as the non-X3D counterparts.
Probably not happening; not on desktop Zen5 at least. But, already this new stacking probably means we can get the x3d cache on both CCDs _and_ the benefits of the faster clocks. So, no more core parking, or at least... not of the kind we used to see in x3d. I could see this show up in EPYC/TR Zen5 though. It might make sense to have the different CCD clusters share a common cache and could be possible considering how close they already are on the package.
@@KawazoeMasahiroAGESA has an option to select the number of V-cache stacks enabled, and it goes up to 4 currently. This suggests there's prototypes in the labs with 4 stacked cache chiplets and 288MB L3 per CCD. You can bet the enterprise customers are going to want that. If they did quad-X3D to the new EPYC CPUs with 16 CCDs, that monster would have 4.5GB of total L3 in a single socket.
I'm not sure the inter-chip communication would be fast enough for L3.. but what could be interesting is an "L4" cache that's somewhere between L3 and DRAM.
Very excited to see a full 9800X3D coverage! Kinda torn between getting it immediately on launch if the reviews are positive, or waiting for higher tier models in case the multi-CCD cache rumors are true.
From what I've heard and know, it shouldn't do much, as the io die and infinity fabric are the limiting factors. So as long as the cache isn't shared between both CCDs, it won't give you any performance gains.
Wow. I was lucky to pick up the 7800x3d in a combo dealat Micro Center for $223.49 in July 2024. I am anxiously awaiting the 9800x3d benchmark review but really appreciate this video with your in depth information. Thanks for sharing and stay well GN!!!!
So, stop it from overheating and causing damage. Good tactic, much better than deny something is causing an issue then get in trouble when people prove the issue is doing something bad... Like corroding the board.
OMG, I called this design change on a recent High Yield video! He was discussing the change to the via's and other things and was trying to figure out how AMD was getting more performance.
It is, but at the same time it looks like you can have your cake and eat it too instead of deciding whether to optimize for gaming vs. compute workloads.
Well now i have high hopes for this one. Steve looks excited, gestures A LOT with his hands. Usually he is much calmer and collected when the products suck and aren't super exciting, like the Ultra 200 series launch and the initial Ryzen 9000 launch. Also the tone in his voice is somewhat more uplifted. Completely normal after a period of "meh" products if finally something cool comes out.
Thank you for the video. As always, an asset to the community. Speaking of community: Yes, you have had to accept some blows when releasing new CPUs in the past. Be it from Intel or AMD. Let the 9800X3D surprise you. The benchmarks are currently running - and with them the videos for you, you also know the NDA end. It's only a week left. As of today, the dream CPU is the 7800X3D - maybe you'll change your mind in exactly a week :)
Still on a i7-9700F. Planning on getting a 5080 at launch next year and finally refreshing my system. I waited this long specially for PCI-e 5.0 NVMe tech, but also for CPUs to get to this level. Should the 9800X3D be my next long-term build? The price is pretty steep.
@@David-on1mr The leap in NVMe bandwidth is substantial and I think as games get more optimized for directstorage it will have a more obvious impact. Also I do a lot of video rendering. Also I WAS waiting on Intel's next breakthrough, but they clearly dropped the ball and AM5 will be around for some time. I game at 4K so I THOUGHT the CPU wasn't nearly as important, but FFXVI is showing me otherwise and things aren't going to get any better.
years ago I had to pay 500$ for i9-9900K with 8/16 cores idk... this AMD price isn't that crazy for me. wish it had more cores tho, maybe I'll wait for higher end X3D CPUs
I’m genuinely curious to see how much real-world performance improves beyond the benchmark numbers. We’ve got AMD claiming an 8% bump in gaming, which, while modest on paper, could make a significant difference in high-demand gaming setups. It feels like a nod to enthusiasts who’ve been hungry for CPUs they can push without hitting a thermal wall. And with an unlocked overclocking experience now on the table, it’s almost as if AMD is saying, ‘Here’s the hardware you’ve been waiting for-go wild.’
Cool! The X3D might run cooler than the non-X3D now. With the memory below the compute die and the compute die shaved down, there's less silicon for the heat to go through before it reaches the TIM and silicon/silicon oxide is not a very good heat conductor.
I am on 3900X; waiting to see the 9800X3D numbers to pick where I go from here on out. I kinda like my 12c/24t but I am not home as often anymore as I used to and thus I might just scale down. So, those benchmarks are gonna be sweet and tasty for sure. :D
It's amazing how Intel has fumbled the ball so hard and for so long. Putting out a subpar product, not even from their own fab, is a new low. Now AMD is teeing up their flagship nextgen gaming CPU.
But does Windows 11 24H2 play nice with the 9800X3D or does Windows it hate it like it’s a red headed stepchild?
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I thought it was funny that they really focused on multi-thread during the video, less threads (E+P Cores > AMD Threads) and greater performance is a great sales pitch
@@ENGAMYou can always wait until 9900X3D and 9950X3D are released. Not sure why you would, since games rarely even max out 6 cores, let alone 8, but go for it, I guess.
As mentioned in the video, this is a great discussion where you can learn about how X3D came to be originally: th-cam.com/video/RTA3Ls-WAcw/w-d-xo.html
Watch our prior AMD Lab Tour here for more technical details about what AMD does in general: th-cam.com/video/7H4eg2jOvVw/w-d-xo.html
And here's our Intel 285K review: th-cam.com/video/XXLY8kEdR1c/w-d-xo.html
expensive!
Thanks Steve
Don't think we didn't catch that "leak", Steve 😑
(Thanks, Steve)
dont forget enable PBO on new amd monster (when pbo is off cpu cant enable turbo , cpu run in base clock
Will the processor still be 20% faster than the 285 in gaming when CUDIMM memory becomes available at the end of November though?
Please don't suck, please don't suck, please don't suck, please don't suck.
It'd be nice to have something good!
It’s gonna suck
The overall not-suckness of AM4 made me want AM5, i'm amazed they fumbled it this hard and for so long, it'd be really nice if they stop sucking.
It will probably be around 6-7% faster for 6.7% MSRP increase. But we'll see.
9800x3d is the best 3D cache cpu for productivity usage!
Faster in zip, blender etc, than anything before!
Damn, I bought the 7800X3D for 310$ in May.
Also, the 6950XT for 379$
Glad I got so lucky in timing.
Yep. That was the peak of value. Completely crazy how cheap some of the parts were.
I paid $630 for my 6950XT exactly 14 months ago. It was still a great deal.
Holy the value
....god damn. And here, I thought I had gotten a killer deal on the 5800X3D and 6800XT.
MC 7950x3d with x670e and 32gb ram was a mere $699.
Userbenchmark shaking and crying rn
nah this failsite already put intel new above all amd x3d chips in gaming performance and lying like hell even the 245 is 4% better then the 7800x3d on this crapsite XD
We recommend the i3-14100 over this garbage AMD part.
Nope... they just recieved their Copium plus extreme ultra ™
@@_grisly_ 'We suggest you should buy a Pentium D 945 over the 9800x3d, as more heat = more performance.'
userbenchmark is a shit site, do not use them
I love how transparent AMD is about their engineering struggles and solutions, huge respect!
Funny thing is looking at reviews. The 7800X3D was still the No.1 gaming CPU. Even with the not so good stacking heat problem
Thanks Steve. ... Oh no wait. Wrong CPU
Wow. So, AMD knew they had a design issue with the prior X3D chips that could cause early chip death, and they elected to limit power to make sure that never happened, even though it slightly reduced chip performance. That's almost exactly Intel did with the 14900K. Oh, wait, NVM.....
Intel Cope Ultras -6% and now AMD is raising prices. Thanks Intel!
Everyone talks about competition but nobody seems to bring up how greedy these companies really are. I guess it's not brought up because they would do the same thing if they were AMD or Intel.
Not as bad as the $300 Ryzen 5 5600X replacing the $200 Ryzen 5 3600.
I wonder if part of it is the process changes with the cache being under the silicon.
@@BleedForTheWorld this comment is too low iq for me to comprehend. im not sure what you want? you want it for free casue your poor? like wtf?
Intel Cope Ultra Piledriver FX 9285K -6%.
I'm going to get the 9800x3d as my first AMD cpu. I'm stoked to see your benchmarks.
You should wait with that. Your next cpu should definitely be an AMD cpu, but it might not be a 9800X3D.
@@eliasroflchopper3006 y tho?
@@eliasroflchopper3006 Literally....why? Unless it has loads of issue, it will be the undisputed king of gaming CPUs.
@@raphaelsantana2513 because you don't know how it turns out yet. If price to performance is much worse than the 7800X3D, you should probably go with that.
@@andycarollsuarez right now, it's only much better on paper. We had this many times before where something looked really good on paper, but didn't perform quiet as good as everyone expected.
The x3D was probably the reason why zen5 wasn't a big performance change but it was a architectural refresh. They made the zen5 compatible with SRAM under the CCD.
Yeah, that definitely took a TON of time. And, they could only make so many changes at once. Even the 8% gain cited here is disappointing, but it was a necessary step to allow leaps going forward.
At these prices, I really don't feel the need to trade out my 5600X. At most, I'd get a used 5800X3D.
They and Intel had to do the same thing do an architectural refresh. Heat was an issue for both of them.
My thoughts, as well. Without the structural interference, this stackup is probably much easier to manufacture. AGESA has an "N stacks" X3D option, where N can currently go up to 4. This suggests they can make CPUs with 4 V-Cache dice. That would mean up to 288MB of L3 per CCD. It's basically the SRAM cache equivalent of HBM at this point lol.
@@asm_nopclock cycles go up with larger and larger caches going from 32mb to 64mb increade cycles by 4. From 12 clock cycles to 16 clock cycles.
It's more likely that Zen5 is a much bigger design improvement but gaming is bottleneck mostly by IO/CAHCE. Doesn't matter how robust your core if you don't have the bandwidth to feed it.
It's kinda crazy hearing that the 7800x3d was actually battling with weights on. Had AMD been able to design the 7800x3d in the same way as the 9800x3d we probably would've seen one of the greatest chips ever released. If the zen 5 x3d chips are as great as all these early leaks are claiming it is, Intel is going to have a very long uphill battle when it comes to gaming performance.
Just got my 7800X3D oct 1. Ill wait for 11800X3D
Tree generations… sounds sensible upgrade path!
3 to 4 generation is minimum for me to upgrade.
@@haukionkannel Same here. This year I upgraded 8700K to 7700X and 2060 Super to 7900 XT. I'm not in any hurry to upgrade any time soon.
@@MoultrieGeek That's a huge jump in performance, nice
@@MoultrieGeek Almost the same i57500 to 7800x3d and 1070 to 7900xtx. Hope this machine gives me as may years.
@@MoultrieGeek2600+1660s to 7800x3d+4070s 🤣🤣🤣
Pour one out for those 7800X3D combos that were $450 USD at Micro Center.
Are they still available?
@@__alves_ofc not
@@__alves_Nah, that's the price of a 7800x3d alone now
Got so lucky with that deal man it’s crazy to think that’s just how much it is now standalone
@@__alves_ Sadly no, that was quite a while ago. I'm nearly out of them at a price I was willing to pay, so hopefully a binned X3D SKU is sooner than later.
Waiting for the 9950x3d
I purchased the 7950x3d and then amd brings out the 7800x3d which is better for gaming so not so sure that the 9950x3d will be much different than the 9800x3d
Let's hope it won't have core parking ...
@@jwar2163 Except it's not that much better when the Windows scheduler is working properly. They nearly perform exactly the same, with the 7800X3D slightly outpacing the 7950X3D and sometimes the 7950X3D comes out on top.
@@jwar2163Unless there's a problem with this die solution at higher frequencies, in theory it should be able to do dual CCD vcache at nearly the same boost frequency now. Judging by this one I'm guessing binned silicon could at least be something like 5.5 GHz boost on both CCDs. That would make a lot more sense as a product.
I will be forever thankful i got the 7800X3D for $300 thanks to the 1 day pricing error that Microcenter had nearly a year ago now. I'm sure the 9800X3D will be even better, but it's crazy how the 7800X3D still is topping charts even as it continously gets older
Ur lucky. 9800X3D will at most be 8% faster. Very likely same sh\t as all Zen5%... plus they inflated the price like crazy only cuz there's no competition.
I think its crazy that the 5800x3d is still beating some of intel's new stuff.
Got mine for 280@ bestbuy price matched
@@honeybadger6275 Just upgraded to a 5700X3D as a final upgrade on my B350 mb, honestly the X3D series, any of them, are just spot on
@@honeybadger6275 it is indeed crazy. But not exactly cuz 5800X3D is otherworldly (its good AF, Im not saying its not) rather thanks to Intels sh/tty launches (I mean, "next gen" perform even worse than last gen)
I've been waiting on GN news on the 9800x3d!!
I wanted to switch my 7900x for a 7800x3d back in April, Microcenter had it listed for $310 open box. But when I went to pick it up, they said they don't want me to have any issues, so they gave me a new one instead! Sold my 7900x for the same price, the best free upgrade I ever made😊
I've worked retail before... They probably fucked up and sold the open box instead of holding it for you 😂 but that's a great deal
Noice
🧢🧢
@@mastafull Yeah, or maybe they had reason to suspect that there was something wrong with it, or maybe that was a good excuse for an employee to take the "damaged merchandise which can't be sold" home for themselves XD
They probably just didn't have it in stock for some reason, and had to give you a new chip, just said that to make you think they were doing you a solid.
im more curious on the 9950x3D. Wondering if they are finally able to apply the cache on both CCDs
If they do.. it will be $200 more expensive than 9950…
If it has one 3D cache chip. It will be Only $100 more expensive…
since the technical reason for not doing so (having to limit the frequency due to the heating issues) they could, but then there is the marketing reason where it's possible that they think that you should buy the more expensive threadripper if you really need dual x3D (since it most likely doesn't give any benefits to games).
There are strong rumors that they actually WILL put vcache on both CCDs.
If so, and if there's no latency issues... the 9950X3D will be a complete monster. 16 cores, 32 threads, 200 MB cache? On a new, optimized architecture? Je-sus.
Wait and see I suppose!
@@GigAnonymous I really don't see why they wouldn't, unless they're worried that it would slow down the production output of all X3D CPUs maybe?
Not that many people would really benefit from such a CPU, but some people would legitimately want that, because there are actually some non-gaming workloads which that would be very useful for. Also, some people would buy it just because it would be an insanely powerful CPU for all types of workloads, and some people just like to pay extra for the bragging rights of having the fastest CPU.
if they did that, AMD gonna be the next Intel version 2 with heating and instability issues
WE'RE SO FUCKING BACK
Have you read the comments?
No one agrees with you.
I'm really pleased with AMD's transparency. Hopefully, the 9800x3d is a good chip and does well, and they learn that transparency is better than exaggerated numbers.
Sometimes they exaggerate the numbers by accident. It sounds ridiculous, but I'm dead serious. Sometimes they just get the numbers wrong by mistake... It's a very AMD way of screwing things up.
They really need to add in an extra layer of quality control when it comes to the benchmark data they release in product announcements. They've screwed the pootch twice now in two years with two separate product lines, setting expectations high and then setting everyone up for disappointment. In the case of the high-end RDNA3 graphics cards in particular, it really was just a mistake. They were getting those numbers, but they weren't with stable drivers. They assumed that the drivers were going to become stable soon without needing to lower any clockspeeds, but they ended up having to lower the frequency of the signal between the MCM chiplets and the compute chiplets, I believe, to get them to run stable in the end, and that unfortunately hurt performance pretty significantly.
WONDERFUL ,, LOVE the honesty when they test CPU's using rx 6600 ,,, wake up they are EVIL
@@syncmonism it's not just GPUs though, they lied through their teeth about the entire Zen 5 so far, for example clearly claiming 9700x is faster than 14700k in gaming and 9900x being faster than 14900k in gaming, none if which was true, and of course the entire claimed uplift over Zen 4. If it happened once or twice it could be passed off as a mistake, but it became pretty much standard and most people already automatically expect AMD to lie when they claim _anything_ . I mean, "they assumed that the drivers were going to become stable soon without needing to lower any clockspeeds" - come on now :)
@@syncmonism *Sometimes they lie on purpose.
Fixed that for you. Still waiting for that "gaming leadership" from the non 3D CPUs that they promised.
@@tilapiadave3234 Yes! They are most definitely all about getting our money. It's just nice to see the engineers being so transparent.
Thanks Josh, Amit, and Steve.
Honestly, MCM and X3D are two of the coolest tech advancements of the last decade. Their performance benefits are seriously impressive.
Yeah for gaming. 😂
Nah MCM sucks. We could have had 8000Mhz ram and X3D cache without it.
Makes sense to me that the 3D-cache was not the heat-sensitive component.
I was wondering if moving it underneath the cores wouldn't leave it in a place where potentially MORE heat gets trapped in some scenarios. But if the cores are the most heat-sensitive component, then having them in direct contact with the heat spreader is obviously the best.
I'm really excited for my new build. Unlike most my PC is a decade old now. I'm going from 4690k to 98003xd hopefully this will last me more years
Bro new PC before GTAVI
Im so glad i live near a microcenter and was able to get a 7800x3d for $260 earlier this year. Came from a 3600 and i couldnt be happier.
Jealous. I have to drive an hour without traffic. lol.
thats disgusting
Could never get deals like that in the UK lol
Bro c'mon... why can't we have these deals in EU :(
Same, 3600 to a 7800x3d 🫰
There's a geekbench listing with the 9800X3D having 20% more single core performance than the 7800X3D.
That wouldn't be too surprising. 7800x3d definitely suffered in single core and multi core workloads because of the lower clock speeds. Still an incredible chip, but this is their 3rd gen of x3d so some big improvements wouldn't be surprising.
Somebody OCing their test sample.
Hopefully AMD nails this launch, and it is not just...
a roll of the dice...
The monitor wall!!!
I got my 7800X3D for around $320 back in June. Glad I jumped on it then. I can’t believe how much the price has shot up.
Lovely. Now to wait for the 5090
I bought my 7800X3D the very day Zen5 reviews went live. Was ~$360 at the time, but quickly inflated to the silly price we see now. Sure, the 9800X3D will be faster, but since I game at 4K with settings cranked up (except ray tracing), I'm mostly bound by my GPU (7900XTX) and would still be with a CPU that's ~8% faster. I'll be just fine for the next three or four years. The only way AMD could interest me in a Zen5 3D chip is if both CCDs of the Ryzen 9 chips have 3D V-cache.
If there is no limitation any more when it comes to overclocking, I think X3D parts should become the standard for AMD. Maybe if they eliminate the non 3D parts and simplify the product line, they can drive the prices a bit down. Because as of right now, no matter how impressive the performance is, $500 is A LOT for an 8-core CPU.
cache is quite expensive though so them adding 3D to every CPU would drive up prices
They're definitely not going to stop selling them without the X3D cache any time soon. they always want to be able to segment their product stack to occupy more price points
Intel was selling a $1000 single-core CPU just 2 decades ago.
Worst part is that if that is the msrp price, think of how horrendous the prices will be in europe, I certainly presume in my country it will be at launch about 700€ or so maybe a bit more maybe a bit less 😂😂😂
@@claimdud3104 Exactly. I live in Europe as well, prices are hugely inflated here. A $500 part can easily be seen at €650 which is around $700. Imagine paying $700 for an 8-core CPU.
I got a 7950x3d for 459$ a few months ago and the performance has been great so far. I'm just going to keep it for the next couple years most likely since cpus didn't improve a lot this year, and it's still more than enough for everything I do.
I went with the 9950x regular from the 10980XE, best money I've ever spent. Some of my clocks break 6Ghz for a split second on air cooling after a Hydra 6 hour curve optimizer auto tune.
Plenty of potential on the new CPUs.
Skip to 01:46 for the announcement of the announcement
Love the AMD transparency
I bought my 7800X3D in August at Micro Center for $225, and have the receipt to prove it. I didn't even realize it was special pricing but I guess it really was.
lucky you
Congrats... happy for you,... nice
Hooooly, you made out like a bandit. Happy for you.
That's insane O_O
What? That price really shows nobody had faith in AMD competing with Arrow Lake, only for AL to 💩 the bed and previous Intels set themselves on fire.
I hope all of the shuffling of the V-cache and changes associated with it don't produce unintended consequences, as major changes often do. I'd give these at least a few weeks/months post-release to see what people report before jumping on one.
I think 9800X3D will have a good overclock headroom. IMHO with good 360mm liquid cooling 9800X3D can reach 5.5GHz to 5.6 depending on the the silicon lottery.
has anyone of the reviewers tried out how well you can overclock a 9700x yet? Because this cpu should in principle now be just as good an overclocker as the non-X3D counterparts.
I am commenting before watching this video. STEVE! I need 9800X3D TO BE FAN-DAMN-TASTIC!
Really looking forward to the announcement tomorrow!
I will be buying the 9800x3d day one and give my bro my current 7800x3d for his upgrade.
what a chad.
Imagine if the 9950X3D features a massive unified 128MB base L3 die that connects the two CCDs together without going through the IOD.
Probably not happening; not on desktop Zen5 at least. But, already this new stacking probably means we can get the x3d cache on both CCDs _and_ the benefits of the faster clocks. So, no more core parking, or at least... not of the kind we used to see in x3d. I could see this show up in EPYC/TR Zen5 though. It might make sense to have the different CCD clusters share a common cache and could be possible considering how close they already are on the package.
@@KawazoeMasahiroAGESA has an option to select the number of V-cache stacks enabled, and it goes up to 4 currently. This suggests there's prototypes in the labs with 4 stacked cache chiplets and 288MB L3 per CCD. You can bet the enterprise customers are going to want that. If they did quad-X3D to the new EPYC CPUs with 16 CCDs, that monster would have 4.5GB of total L3 in a single socket.
I'm not sure the inter-chip communication would be fast enough for L3.. but what could be interesting is an "L4" cache that's somewhere between L3 and DRAM.
@@KawazoeMasahiro If they don’t unify the L3 V Cache between two CCDs, there’s no point to use two L3Ds at all.
@@seeibe anything is faster than going through the IF + IOD
Very excited to see a full 9800X3D coverage! Kinda torn between getting it immediately on launch if the reviews are positive, or waiting for higher tier models in case the multi-CCD cache rumors are true.
I'm curious about the 9900X3D because of the changes and the dual CCID.
I’d wait for the 9950X3D if I had the budget
From what I've heard and know, it shouldn't do much, as the io die and infinity fabric are the limiting factors. So as long as the cache isn't shared between both CCDs, it won't give you any performance gains.
It's INSANE that both x3d and threadripper were BOTH skunkworks projects....
Bravo for AMDs openness... Better cooling mightn't make for an eye catching headline but is a step forward, a few percent faster is a cherry on top.
Great channel, following for some time
Wow.
I was lucky to pick up the 7800x3d in a combo dealat Micro Center for $223.49 in July 2024.
I am anxiously awaiting the 9800x3d benchmark review but really appreciate this video with your in depth information.
Thanks for sharing and stay well GN!!!!
I'm glad I got the microcenter deal when 7800X3D was at $304 with the combo.
MAN, if only AMD could get their act together with GPUs like they do with CPUs...
God I hope the 9800X3D doesn't suck.
So, stop it from overheating and causing damage. Good tactic, much better than deny something is causing an issue then get in trouble when people prove the issue is doing something bad... Like corroding the board.
OMG, I called this design change on a recent High Yield video! He was discussing the change to the via's and other things and was trying to figure out how AMD was getting more performance.
Could barely watch this. Why is the middle screen behind Steve working and not a blue screen?
Must not be using Intel lol
Great video!
Some OC session - like “back in the day” - would be cool!
Cheers
$480 seems steep for an 8-core... people who got 7800X3D at $330-360 got a deal.
Me 16 months ago 😊!
It is, but at the same time it looks like you can have your cake and eat it too instead of deciding whether to optimize for gaming vs. compute workloads.
Yep,,, that's what I got 7800x3d combo deal with MB and RAM....below 500$...very happy with
It is much cheaper than I was expecting! And also no need to reduce in price for at least for year!
It only cost that much right now because of supply not meeting demand like before. People buy it out the second it comes in stock
Well now i have high hopes for this one. Steve looks excited, gestures A LOT with his hands. Usually he is much calmer and collected when the products suck and aren't super exciting, like the Ultra 200 series launch and the initial Ryzen 9000 launch. Also the tone in his voice is somewhat more uplifted. Completely normal after a period of "meh" products if finally something cool comes out.
Looks like the 9800x3d is the final nail in the coffin for gaming on Intel.
Just imagining that having TWO X3d CCD's for the 9950X3D would be Epyc. No core parking would be glorious, if not way expensive.
If you put link in the video on the sponsor section on the products you've reviewed, you could drive more traffic towards those videos.
Alright AMD, intel has completely fumbled their latest launch you just need to not mess it up yourselves, which I know is asking for a lot
Great video! Good information! It's nice to get that kind of transparency into what was happening.
Thank you for the video. As always, an asset to the community.
Speaking of community:
Yes, you have had to accept some blows when releasing new CPUs in the past. Be it from Intel or AMD.
Let the 9800X3D surprise you. The benchmarks are currently running - and with them the videos for you, you also know the NDA end.
It's only a week left. As of today, the dream CPU is the 7800X3D - maybe you'll change your mind in exactly a week :)
Still on a i7-9700F.
Planning on getting a 5080 at launch next year and finally refreshing my system.
I waited this long specially for PCI-e 5.0 NVMe tech, but also for CPUs to get to this level.
Should the 9800X3D be my next long-term build? The price is pretty steep.
So you waited all that time for the one new addition of that generation that does nothing for you?
@@David-on1mrhahahaha yep he did
@@David-on1mr The leap in NVMe bandwidth is substantial and I think as games get more optimized for directstorage it will have a more obvious impact. Also I do a lot of video rendering. Also I WAS waiting on Intel's next breakthrough, but they clearly dropped the ball and AM5 will be around for some time. I game at 4K so I THOUGHT the CPU wasn't nearly as important, but FFXVI is showing me otherwise and things aren't going to get any better.
Just wait for a sale ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
years ago I had to pay 500$ for i9-9900K with 8/16 cores
idk... this AMD price isn't that crazy for me. wish it had more cores tho, maybe I'll wait for higher end X3D CPUs
Only 500?? I paid 559 euro!
Always nice to see what the engineers have to say.
This is the one I was waiting for to upgrade from my i7-8700K, still going strong
Delidded i7-7700K 5GHz here.. Aiming to upgrade to this!
I’m genuinely curious to see how much real-world performance improves beyond the benchmark numbers. We’ve got AMD claiming an 8% bump in gaming, which, while modest on paper, could make a significant difference in high-demand gaming setups. It feels like a nod to enthusiasts who’ve been hungry for CPUs they can push without hitting a thermal wall. And with an unlocked overclocking experience now on the table, it’s almost as if AMD is saying, ‘Here’s the hardware you’ve been waiting for-go wild.’
We'll have the results soon enough!
AMD themselves stated that CPU benchmarking is hard (for them to do correctly). So indeed, let's wait till the professional reviewers have had a go 😂
I have never owned an AMD CPU I will say this will probably be my first.
Cool! The X3D might run cooler than the non-X3D now.
With the memory below the compute die and the compute die shaved down, there's less silicon for the heat to go through before it reaches the TIM and silicon/silicon oxide is not a very good heat conductor.
Holy shit, looks like they did it again. This looks really really promising!
Buying one on the spot when it comes out. Will be perfect for gaming for the next 3+ years.
I am on 3900X; waiting to see the 9800X3D numbers to pick where I go from here on out.
I kinda like my 12c/24t but I am not home as often anymore as I used to and thus I might just scale down.
So, those benchmarks are gonna be sweet and tasty for sure. :D
I'll be holding on to my 7950x3d for at least 2 more years. But I have to admit I'm pretty curious as to how this new cpu does.
Will you include 1440 and 4k FPS charts ?
ill try to bench for exact how game feels, but not sure if i record or not
guessing on reviews isnt exactly accurate since most use best board, psu and ram possible, ssd too
I remember looking at the 7800x3d for $330 and thinking it will go even lower around the 9800x3d launch. I have so many regrets.
The case looks awesome Steve, as a table top fan, I can't wait to for the details of what is in the magic box.
They selling the 9900x for less than $400 (~$100 less than msrp) I might just hop on that. Any cpu is an upgrade from my 8700k
I'm curious to see how the new stack works. Debating upgrading from my zen3 to zen5 early next year, or just waiting the year or so for zen6......
hopefully this also opens up the way for a silicon interposer in the next gen for faster infinity fabric
The great quality and sheer amount of knowledge dropped on us is staggering…great update!
Hopefully with the cache on the bottom it results in lower temps, as I always found the X3D CPU's to run warmer than the non X3D ones.
Just discovered the channel, didn't know that John Romero now reviews CPUs and btw. looks way more handsome than I remember.
Now you're just teasing us. I'm a board game junkie and can't wait for official reveal.
Nice. That means no reason anymore to have one v-cache and one non-v-cache die on the 12 and 16 core parts. Those are gonna be absolute monsters.
I love that the stress of the effort Steve puts in is making his hair turn almost as grey as I am bald... almost. #RespectSteve
So you are bald in patches? Like a Fallout character?
It's amazing how Intel has fumbled the ball so hard and for so long. Putting out a subpar product, not even from their own fab, is a new low. Now AMD is teeing up their flagship nextgen gaming CPU.
With the 3D-Cache now below the CCD not limiting the frequency any more... a 9950X3D with both dies having v-cache sounds much more reasonable 🤔
Thanks, Steve.
With the cache part being larger than before hopefully they’ll increase its capacity in the future.
Y'all always have the coolest technical discussions, its so dope.
Finally a fitting CPU for my Windows 98!
Kinda interested to see a deep-dive on this reversed 3D-cache, looks like it was a pain in the ass to build
But does Windows 11 24H2 play nice with the 9800X3D or does Windows it hate it like it’s a red headed stepchild?
I thought it was funny that they really focused on multi-thread during the video, less threads (E+P Cores > AMD Threads) and greater performance is a great sales pitch
Good to know my 13700k I got for $230 will be good until the next generation from both companies.
Both better perf and meaningful overclocking, I'll take it! Delidding or lapping the cpu might be functional this time around.
Help us 9800 X3D you are our ONLY HOPE
that's what they would say at AMD if Intel could be taken seriously
500$ for 8 core refresh? nah..
What do you need extra cores for?
@@ENGAM 480*
@@ENGAMYou can always wait until 9900X3D and 9950X3D are released. Not sure why you would, since games rarely even max out 6 cores, let alone 8, but go for it, I guess.
Best gaming cpu on the planet. Intel is finished, good night.
I’ve been waiting on the CPU to start my master PC build. I’m gonna have this computer for the next 10 years no upgrades.
I'll be waiting with nervous anticipation