med student here... you guys are awesome for MSK physical exams! including sensitivity and specificity is also super helpful. keep up the good content!
@@JohnYoo39 Kind of... A sensitive test will rule OUT a condition. If the test is a negative, there is a good chance that the condition is not present. A specific test will rule IN a condition. If the test is positive, there is a good chance that the condition is present. Ideally, we like to have tests that are both sensitive and specific.
Love you guys! Just wish this had a sideview to see scapular plane better. But thanks for all the great information and knowledge to help me be a better athletic trainer!
Hi, a little late here but what if there are compensation while pt is doing the external rotation, is it counted as a positive test still? although there are some activation of the external rotators?
Hello there. Great videos. However, i believe that this is not the Hornblower's sign. This is the Patte test. The Hornblower sign is a slight deviation of the Patte test
@@JohnYoo39 i hope that it helped you, but any Yogi will tell you yoga isn't a workout or an exercise; it's a spiritual practice where one bows down to Hindu gods and invites them in.
Hi is this not Pattes test when you apply resistance? I thought Hornblowers was a "sign" and is a lag when in this position the arm is passively taken into external rotation hence "horn blower"
Now what if a patient could perform the majority of the rotation, say 70% but felt the majority of their significant pain slightly lower, say in the serratus anterior? How common is it to injure a little of both?
i tested this for myself and im able to externally rotate however there is pain on my shoulder join. does it still mean i have a rotator cuff tear or something else
A better alternative is the lateral rotation lag sign in which the shoulder is brought into external rotation passively. If you're not able to get into this position due to movement restriction, other possible pathologies could be present.
ohhh whoops! 🙊 haha I'm sorry this is my first video,I only just realised that u guys are a team! But huge compliments, your videos are really great! (besides you being easy on the eyes 😜) - probably one of the best channels I've found for ortho! big thumbs up thanks for your work!
I heard in the 1800's they would blow a horn when a positive test was detected as a practical joke amongst physio's but convince the patient that it was indeed a customery tradition that indeed must be upheld.
I swear that Physio tutors are angels sent from heaven for massage students.
med student here... you guys are awesome for MSK physical exams! including sensitivity and specificity is also super helpful. keep up the good content!
Nice to hear we have followers from other professions as well!
Please can you explain wht term is specificty and sensitivity ..?
I didn't get it ..
@@sanarukh6956 how good it is as a test for diagnosing certain conditions, if the test is carried out properly.
@@JohnYoo39 Kind of... A sensitive test will rule OUT a condition. If the test is a negative, there is a good chance that the condition is not present. A specific test will rule IN a condition. If the test is positive, there is a good chance that the condition is present. Ideally, we like to have tests that are both sensitive and specific.
I'm not a med student but interested in this ☺
Love you guys! Just wish this had a sideview to see scapular plane better. But thanks for all the great information and knowledge to help me be a better athletic trainer!
Kai CHEER UP!!! We like your smile much better
That's my resting bitch face!;)
thanks
Hi, a little late here but what if there are compensation while pt is doing the external rotation, is it counted as a positive test still? although there are some activation of the external rotators?
Great job man.. It was my BPT final year's prof question 😊
Thanks buddy, appreciate it!
big help for my rehab class
also called patte test
what are the precautions and contraindications for the use of this test?
No situations where this would be contraindicated.
Horn blower is it the patte test or they are different ?
thanks!
the video is not very clear me and odi tried to do it but it didnt work
Hello there. Great videos. However, i believe that this is not the Hornblower's sign. This is the Patte test. The Hornblower sign is a slight deviation of the Patte test
Hello Xristos, please reference the literature in the video description that was used for this video
If doing this test causes pain (but I can still produce the force) should I strengthen the teres minor / infraspinatus to eliminate pain ?
As emasculating as it was, I took my physio's advice and did yoga for two years before lifting weights with it. Doesn't hurt any more.
@@JohnYoo39 i hope that it helped you, but any Yogi will tell you yoga isn't a workout or an exercise; it's a spiritual practice where one bows down to Hindu gods and invites them in.
Inability to rotate in that position, or just pain ?
Is it available your book for all tests?
very helpful, thanks alot :)
Ur welcome!
I think this is Patte's test.
Can you please tell me that a specific test to differentiate only teres Minor and infraspinatus.. actually I am student of physiotherapy.
Not possible
What if you can’t externally rotate then what does that mean? how do you fix it?? please
Large tear or rupture, I'd see a professional
pls make a vide on infraspinatus muscle tear :D
Great job 👍
Your videos are very helpful thanks 🙏🏻
How we can differentiate that either it is teres Minor or infraspinatus?
We can't
Hi is this not Pattes test when you apply resistance? I thought Hornblowers was a "sign" and is a lag when in this position the arm is passively taken into external rotation hence "horn blower"
it's another name for the test
how can I test teres major?
Now what if a patient could perform the majority of the rotation, say 70% but felt the majority of their significant pain slightly lower, say in the serratus anterior? How common is it to injure a little of both?
i tested this for myself and im able to externally rotate however there is pain on my shoulder join. does it still mean i have a rotator cuff tear or something else
Micro tears or weak teres minor or infraspinatus
If I'm unable to rotate lateral in that position, what can I do then?
A better alternative is the lateral rotation lag sign in which the shoulder is brought into external rotation passively. If you're not able to get into this position due to movement restriction, other possible pathologies could be present.
@@Physiotutors what other pathologies? Could impingement prevent this?
Wish I could tell you I'm a med student here for some help but i just clicked for the shirtless man
I camt even lift my arm to do this.
Why so serial beef monkey?
Damn did he choose that guy on purpose ? 😂🙈his body is hoooottt!
I had no other choice unfortunately
Kai’s gonna appreciate that comment 😂
Cheers,
Andy
ohhh whoops! 🙊 haha I'm sorry this is my first video,I only just realised that u guys are a team! But huge compliments, your videos are really great! (besides you being easy on the eyes 😜) - probably one of the best channels I've found for ortho! big thumbs up thanks for your work!
Glad you had a good first impression 😜 and thanks for the compliments on all fronts 💯😇
Thank you for the great videos but i wish you guys just start making out 😒
and blow his horn?
@@Physiotutors 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
why is it called hornblowers lol
Coz it looks like your blowing the horn of a train or something
I heard in the 1800's they would blow a horn when a positive test was detected as a practical joke amongst physio's but convince the patient that it was indeed a customery tradition that indeed must be upheld.