pain, evil and suffering on earth will not go away because this where we learn and enrich our soul to make it brighter and transition to what god has envisioned for our soul. If all creation are good then we will be stagnant and no knowledge, learnings, no chance to grow. Before we came down to earth we know what awaits us here, our lives here all life lessons and experiences will make us a pure soul someday that makes us deserving to be one with God.
I like that fact that people who don't believe in God or even hate God, are watching these videos even if it is just to spew a bit of anger. Thanks for watching. :)
Wow. I'm impressed. This is doublespeak on the highest level! Congratulations. If Big Brother ever does become reality, you're sure to get a job in the Ministry of Truth! Innocence children die horrible deaths. Someone who can supposedly prevent that, doesn't. Bad god. End of story. Everything else is just evil twisting of words. You're not even embarrassed are you?
It seems that your response assumes that the death of an innocent child is the "end of story," but it's not. Truly innocent children who die prior to being accountable for sin go to Heaven. That seems loving to me.
@@TrueSaint916 What a sick attitude! So the torture and killing are ok as long as you get a reward afterwards? Do you realize how sick that sounds and is? Now please do tell me exactly where my analogy doesn't fit and why.
@@sharktenko267 Is useless, she already took a narrative. If someone doesn't try to convince her she'll never get out, and if someone try to she'll grasp them harder to not leave them.
The standard comes from the instinct to survive, in the stone age abusing children often lead to their death and stagnated the species, we mourn the death of loved ones so that we can understand that they are dead and we have to survive without them, evolutionary psychology provides all the answers we need to morality
This is a very succinct and insightful video that provides significant clarity on a complex issue. While the arguments and perspectives are not new, they are stated in a fresh way.
@@isphenomenal So a perfect God couldn't prevent his creation to fall? Also earthquakes and hurricanes can be considered evil since they cause harm without any good thing, how is that caused by humanity at all? Reducing the numbers of overpopulated species aren't good excuses since they also kill endangered species
1:18) wrong, being good is an evolutionary advantage, it have been proven countless times that being altruistic brings much more advantage both to you and your species
first off, you didn't actually talk about coronavirus or any natural disasters or anything of the sort, only man made issues, second, if god is all powerful, then he could make our lives completely meaningful, completely happy, no corruption, AND free will, because he is all powerful and he could just do that...
God's power is limited to what is possible. It is impossible for God to create a free will being that cannot choose to sin. That is a logical fallacy, as free will necessitates the ability to sin. If you cannot choose to sin, you do not have free will.
Agreed until point 4. Religion has played a major part in the evil in which we have today. By not only interpreting God in a negative way, but by encouraging ppl to believe that satan is the cause of all evil, and that jesus will come down and take responsibility, to put things right. Evil exists because ppl on a whole have allowed it to fester, by turning their backs, and allowing the corruption, from the top down. Treasonous monarchies, through their governments. vatican through the church. Evil is not God's responsibility, it's ours. So the sooner we come together, take responsibility on a whole, and deal with those involved, in a right and proper way. The sooner we have the heaven that is mother earth, and earn God's respect. See channel for simple solution in less than 4 minutes.
Sin and mankind's rebellion brought in sickness and disease. God created a perfect world where man would live forever. Sin ruined it, but thankfully Jesus died so we could be forgiven and have eternal life. Have you accepted Him as your personal Lord and Savior?
@@timothymorbitzer1655 really the original sin argument? You do realize if God exists he would have know that eve would eat from the tree and yet did nothing to stop her
The amount of suffering is a measure of our distance from God. And God is more concerned with his spiritual children than the bodies they wear. Equating Jesus with God is a *_Corruption_* of scripture and of truth perpetrated by the likes of murderous and corrupt Emperor Constantine and Emperor Justinian. Jesus was *_at-one_* with the Heavenly Father, just as Elijah (Elias) was, and just as any one of us can be, if we follow Christ's commandments. When we take on the perfection of God's four traits, we close the distance between ourselves and the Heavenly Father: *_Unconditional Love_* -- for God is Love. *_Perfect Responsibility_* -- for no one is more responsible than God for everything that exists. *_Utter Humility_* -- for God never brags about his accomplishments; indeed waiting for us to come to Him, instead of forcing his will on us. *_Fearless Confidence_* -- for God was never hesitant about creating anything.
@Vidar Gartz Wonderful logic! And do you have sufficient creative intelligence to figure out a compelling reason why a Source of Creation would do such a thing?
@Vidar Gartz Why would I share with you the pearls of wisdom accumulated over 70 years of deep thought and research? If you cannot be bothered to imagine, then why should I bother to answer your question? I have not only a realistic answer, but the "real reason!" Yet, you don't want to know. It takes work to understand new concepts. It takes sufficient humility to receive new answers, yet your "cup" is already full of self-imposed certainty. Good luck.
@Vidar Gartz Thanks for the discussion. Thomas Edison tried a thousand different ways to discover a method for creating an incandescent light bulb, when the experts told him it was impossible. Your belief is meaningless against fact and empirical evidence. Edison had over a thousand compelling ideas -- hypotheses! -- which were not useless, because they served as something to test against reality. Scientists do this all the time, so it's not useless to them. The testing of a hypothesis determines whether or not it is factual. Interesting that you did not understand science well enough to think of this. When your cup is truly empty, you will be ready to learn. Your words say you are ready; your behavior says otherwise. Good luck!
But what about an omnipotent, omniscient, all loving God? God would know and have the power to make it so free will can exist without making evil. Another point I want to make is you started that without evil we can’t see what should be, yet you also state that evil is the corruption of good, and so in its absence there’s nothing but good, so that would mean that good can still exist and be seen without evil, but maybe I’m wrong. Also you have to assume people have free will, but you could argue that people have values and make decisions on those values so unless one can change their values their lives are ultimately predetermined as they can’t make a decision that deviates their values. For a basic example if i gives the choice between vanilla and chocolate, and you value chocolate, then if i gives the same decision then you’d choose chocolate again unless you value variety. I’m not saying i could predict everything you’d do, but assuming you were consistent in your values I think with time one could. Hope I haven’t presented any terrible logic or arguments, as i really want to improve, correct me if you see anything wrong!
Free will can exist without making Evil like God except Humans cause we are imperfect *also* God created us Good at the beginning *but* Free will can do evil because *knowledge of good and evil* exists.
Sorry to burst your bubble, but your logic only makes sense when we are equal to God which doesn't make sense. Just because we're predetermined doesn't mean God didn't know Free will in _Multiple World Interpretation_ but God's omniscient and favored Free will making Multiple World Interpretation nonexistent because _Infinite Universes_ doesn't necessarily to exist because Infinite Universes includes Theory of Dualism which Good and Evil equally powerful is contradiction to Bible and the nature of omnipotence (even in fictional concepts of tier ranking characters agree with omnipotence was for single individual and everyone else is nigh-omnipotence, in reality God's omniscient omnipotent omnipresence were just separate attributes). Just because we are made in the image of God doesn't mean you can't do evil. God's omniscient is Creator and its nature is also omnipotence which knows and hates Evil because Good things are favored by God, also God can prevent corruption of Good because its Holiness is omnipotent but strict to Evil and its Holy Spirit is omnipresence. Logic: One can't be omnipotent if don't know how it was created, so without omniscient the omnipotent is impossible. When anyone just claims omnipotent is possible without omniscient is implying there's a nonexistent omniscient within omnipotent power which is automatically just nonsense.
David Gumazon if humans create evil because they’re imperfect and god created us with the knowledge that we’d create evil then why did he if he’s perfectly good and has the power in order to ensure one has both free will and so one doesn’t suffer from evil. It’s clearly not to test us, as an all knowing god would know the result, oddly enough an all knowing god poses a big problem to the concept of him giving free will, and that’s that God would know our every action before we make it, and so our lives are predetermined, otherwise how would he know such things?
@@thetomhawk1176 Now you're blaming God for being Omniscient which again doesn't make sense because of your assumptions. And the contrary to your idea cause without free will our lives not predetermined which doesn't make sense alongside of either Omniscient observer exists or not in this case. It cringed me out of your double standard attitude. First standard is that free will is *automatically* predetermined equivalent to being *controlled* by God and Second standard is that whoever controlled by God has no free will would automatically predetermined their life, basically whether God is in control our lives or not has to have God's will *automatically* determined "everything should be *good* because God "is perfectly good" to *ensure* no one has to suffer" which offers the your idea of "God can stop all that if he wanted too" which an argument is trying similar to the second temptation out of three temptation of Jesus Christ. The second temptation out of three temptation of Jesus Christ is in Matthew 4: 6 _“If You are the Son of God, throw Yourself down. For it is written: ‘He shall give His angels charge over you,’ and, ‘In their hands, they shall bear you up, lest you dash your foot against a stone’”_ Jesus responded by quoting also from Scripture and applying it correctly: _“It is written again, ‘You shall not tempt the Lord your God’”_ (Matthew 4:7). In other translations, it says, _“Do not put the Lord your God to the test.”_ God does not play dice and stop telling God what to do. Concept of World Peace is human ideal, the only peace you could attain is from God. You questioned the existence of suffer and pain, your hypothetical belief if God exists, those things wouldn't exist, and everyone should be living in pleasure within paradise because he's All Loving whether we have free will or not, but you're FOOL for thinking "Everyone *would obey* God whether you have free will or not, without free will doesn't mean logical way of thinking would always be perfectly obey God in *every* ways (Serpent in Genesis for example), even if Free Will doesn't obey, Evil doesn't create pain and suffer because *everything is good* which is God's will makes concept of suffer and pain nonexistent through maximum omnipotence omniscience omnipresence." Which breaks the many laws in scriptures. But wait there's more, based on your ideas suggests a similar view of "Why not make his existence seeable so more people can believe in him" In Scriptures, Satan and Jesus, the third temptation out of three temptation of Jesus Christ is in Matthew 4: 9 _“All these things I will give You if You will fall down and worship me.”_ That similar attempt is "his existence seeable" so "He could enjoy all the glory without enduring the suffering." But God sent his son, Jesus, to saved us, endured the hardship along with us. After reading your views and arguments as a whole, you believed God doesn't exist preceded the your hypothetical views, your logic shouldn't by "God is at fault" or "God allows" followed by your logic "God doesn't exist" therefore it's not God's fault. In this case, your idea of God should *forcibly* control us and so our lives are predetermined because your idea "ensure one has both free will and so no one doesn't suffer evil" which is made by your self-righteous/narrow views on God which poses a big problem to the concept of free will, not God, therefore it's not God's fault. In Scriptures, Satan and Jesus, the first temptation out of three temptation of Jesus Christ is in Matthew 4:3 “If You are the Son of God, command that these stones become bread.” At “If you are the Son of God …” he was not questioning Jesus’ deity for he knew exactly who Jesus was. He was saying, “Since you are the Son of God, why starve yourself to death? C’mon, just change some stones into bread.” Your similar attempt is "if he's perfectly good and has the power to ensure one has both free will and so no one doesn't suffer evil" But God sent his son, Jesus, to saved us, endured the hardship along with us. The second temptation out of three temptation of Jesus Christ responded by quoting from Deuteronomy (Deut. 8:3). But Jesus was not just quoting a favorite verse. Chapter 8 of Deuteronomy talks about the Israelites wandering in the wilderness for forty years. After plundering the Egyptians of their gold and silver, God led the Israelites into the wilderness to teach them obedience and dependence on God. *It's clearly a test.* Your comment is honestly similar to person I talked with previously, they're who complaining on God through their assumptions which I'm tired of this loop of conversation. Okay taste my strawman fallacy... Let's say you don't believe in God because you think God doesn't exist. Are you gonna implying that "Christianity teaches contradictory to the Bible that teaches" or "you believed the Christianity is a crime and wrong in general" ? Jesus said loudly, _Whoever _*_believes_*_ in _*_me believes_*_ not only in me but also in the one who sent _*_me_* (God of Israel, God of Abraham, which is Holy, Living God)
Suffering is real, undeniable and inevitable. It is bad, and therefore propagating suffering is therefore evil. I can't go much further than that, because we don't know what actions we think reduces suffering may cause harm for others, and end up worse. Believe me, there are a lot of people with ideas on how to reduce suffering for everyone, greatly increasing the amount of suffering instead. I'm not even sure actual good exists, but evil surely does.
@@thetraditionalist Really depends on what is actually helping and what is actually good. Do you help the poor by giving them free stuff? Or do you help them by training them to help themselves and others? Just look at the USSR or China or other communist states where supposedly good intentions lead. Helping people is good. I just think only very few people know what actually helps either themselves or others. Conversely, almost everyone thinks they do know what helps and are insistent on doing so, even if they're wrong.
@@FHBStudio you meet the immediate need by giving a man a fish, and the long term need by teaching him to fish. It is better to do something than nothing. Lots of people know what helps. Like Mr. Rogers said, look for the helpers, they are out there.
@@FHBStudio USSR and China revolutions got evil very quickly, slaughter of anyone who resisted was the rule early on, and still is. Jesus's revolution, when his words followed closely, is peaceful and loving and good.
@@liljade53 The west has been feeding fish to men in afrika for decades, stifling the people who wanted to learn how to fish. After all, if the market is saturated with free fish, to whom is he going to sell the fish he catches? He can't compete with free.
The moment people think they have a grasp on what is good, they turn tyrannical eventually. This is even true for the religious, as many an evil act has been committed in the name of every religion. Once you think you've found the answer, you stop looking for what might actually be the answer, and you close your eyes to ever more contentious information. All we have is "don't be evil". That's the current best we can do. To reduce suffering and to prepare for the inevitable suffering.
Jesus came to fix religion gone awry. When his followers actually adhere to his words, good ensues. For centuries his words were not available to the common man, and even now when they are, people choose not to read them, or adhere to them. But he did bring a solution for peace and love, and true worship.
@@thetraditionalist It is, if you are convinced there is no way but yours. The worst tyrants were not mustache twirling cape wearing crooks, but people who thought they were doing the right thing for all of mankind. The great leap forward, the 1000 year reigh, plenty more examples along those lines where people were blind to their own faults because they had justified their evil in the name of their own ideal of good.
@@FHBStudio I understand your point but you said that everyone who thinks that they know what's right INEVITABLY ends up becoming evil. That's ridiculous lmao
Point 1. This points us towards the idea of “treat people the way you want to be treated”. This does not necessitate a god. You are claiming that morality cannot exist without God, but of course it can, through the principle described above. Morality is not a universal constant, but that doesn’t mean it can’t exist. I’m an atheist, but I’m not an amoral sociopath- my very existence disproves point 1, so let’s move on. Point 2. Most of this is an argument for our point. If good can exist without evil, then evil need not exist. And this is about COVID, so blaming humans doesn’t make any sense. Point 3. This is the classical “free will” answer to evil and suffering- but COVID did not arise from man’s choices (although they definitely helped it spread.) Cancer and ALS did not arise from man’s choices. If they did not come from man, nor God, then who? Point 4. This seems more like wishful thinking- wanting there to be a god to reassure that somehow, this had a good reason. And although I begrudge no one that comfort, to use it as evidence is meaningless. (Also, Job had all his loved ones killed directly by God, so using him as an example of his love? Not the best idea.) But hope can, and does exist, without God, even for those who have died. Information theory means information can never be destroyed- if you know all particles in a closed system and their states, you can determine every state they ever had- including the brain structure of someone now gone. Such technology seems like a distant dream now, and it is. But it won’t always be- and that’s what hope is. Hope that we’ll live to see it, even create it- or that even if we don’t, we’ll one day wake up again, in a world where it exists. TL;DR: halfway through, this turned into the classic problem of evil and free will, but human free will is not the only source of suffering in this world. No one chooses to get cancer or ALS.
Then we would be robots and not free moral agents. Sure, He could MAKE us follow Him but who wants forced obedience and "love." Would you call that a relationship?
@@thetraditionalist He simply calls upon the worst state of being possible and calls it bad, and anything away from that relatively good. In his discussion with Jordan Peterson, doctor Peterson one upped him still (and he concurred): the worst possible suffering for all things that can suffer is made worse by everyone wanting and enacting it upon the world. But yeah that's an absolute baseline for what is bad, and so any act that takes us in that direction is evil.
@@FHBStudio who decides what is the worst state of being possible? Shitty argument he has. And aren't you the guy saying we can't know what is good and bad?
@@thetraditionalist I think we can tell what things are bad, but that we often don't consider the bad that may come from any good intentions we may have. For example, windmills out at sea wrecking the ecological systems at the bottom. Fight climate change is the motto, but apparently without taking into account the ecological impact. Another example. For decades the west has provided food aid to developing countries. So people there receive free food. Now, it's good that they don't starve. However, if you are a local wanting to start a cog in the food industry, it'll be nearly impossible, because you cannot sell a product to people who can get it for free.
@@FHBStudio Good logic, as far as it goes, but human nature isn't exactly that tidy. The notion of "fight climate change" is an oxymoron! And it is especially toxic when the fight is against global warming in our ongoing Ice Age. That's like stapling people's mouths shut at a banquet after they've been suffering starvation. Same with CO2. Our planet suffered extreme CO2 starvation 35 Mya, motivating plant species worldwide to evolve -- *_in parallel_* -- the new set of C4 species in order to cope with the CO2 starvation. What was the level of CO2 back then that was so painful to plants? It was 800 ppm (2x today's level). CO2 normal is closer to 2,300 ppm -- the average under which all animal life has existed. It is human nature to be selfish. Any system set up by man will eventually descend into the lowest common denominator -- the wailing and gnashing of teeth mentioned by Christ. That's because selfishness is a natural part of this deterministic, action-reaction, physical universe. And the only true Free Will that we have is the decision-point on whether or not to stay a physical cog, or to awaken the true spiritual self. And playing around with the programming of physical reality is so cool, but you can only do that if you give up egoistic selfishness.
@@gustavogodoy9626 Do you believe that Native American and African cultures are somehow more pure, moral, or superior? Do you know that Native American tribes fought with one another? And took Slaves? Sacagawea was kidnapped by Hidatsa and sold into a non-consensual marriage. There are many truly African cultures still in Africa today. And there is modern slavery there. The problem that plagues all humans is selfishness, greed, deceit, (otherwise known as sin). A world without sin would be a wonderful thing. I believe that God offers us rescue from this sin problem through Jesus. What is your solution?
@@karengratza8192 Not really, but those are their problems, we want to avoid unnecessary suffering, and the answer to that isn't enslaving and killing most people there, leaving them poor in dictatorships to benefit the western cultures. We'll never know how would they develop because of that. The ones that still survives. In Latin America most of the 75~ cultures where reduced between none or a dozen individuals except for the Mapuches which still fights 300 years of unfairness. You wouldn't be happy if someone just breaks into your house and makes it theirs, stealing your stuff, kicking you and your family out and establishing their own manners and telling everyone how awful you are. Except that this slavery came from religion itself. What do you think Conquistadores believed in? What do you think is the most popular belief is in LA and Africa and why? Remember when God said to Moses go over there and take Jericho? Or is slavery fine when it is in Christianity's name? My ideal solution is that people understand religion as old stories used to justify events and nature. Now with science, this is no longer required, we can search for answers and actual explanations of the world; and then people abandon religion for historical context of what people believed in the past. Willingly, since forcing them will only perpetuate the problem, like the Dark ages, like Islam pursuing atheism, etc. We just don't need it anymore.
To address the reasons for this argument being faulty, there are a few things to consider. Firstly, it’s important to define what we mean when we say “good” and “evil/bad”. You might have a different view on it then me, which may be a key point in disagreement, but here it goes: “Good” is an event that takes place which causes more collective happiness then suffering while Bad causes more suffering than happiness. First of all, Good and Bad are concepts that only exist because of emotional (since this is required to feel happiness and suffering) and rational beings (capable of making rational decisions). If the action occurring doesn’t include these 2 important aspects, it can’t be evaluated as good or bad. So, for example, a rock falling down in Mars or a lion eating its prey cant be considered to be good or bad. I’ll be looking more towards human actions as being good or bad in the next sentences. Secondly, good and bad is not so black and white as it may seem, since outcomes can sometimes be hard to speculate in our actions. For example, it’s possible to do something with good intentions but end up hurting someone. It is possible to do things that will have both good and bad outcomes, so what would we call this? There are actions in which breaking the law will cause less collective suffering, like stealing an epipen from a closed pharmacy to save a person having an epileptic attack. Independently of what you define as good or bad, I believe we can both agree that less suffering is a good thing and more suffering is a bad thing. In conclusion, even though good and bad, in the terms I explained, can be hard to discern and have some subjectiveness at times, we can most definitely arrive at better conclusions on how to be better people by using reason and establishing which action in that specific context will cause the least suffering. Doing this doesn’t necessitate a God or Devine being, it is purely rational and emotional, it comes from us and what we value. I’m not saying a God doesn’t exist, I’m of the position that I don’t know, but surely this can’t be used to explain his existence as the video suggests.
God exists and is using this virus as a wake-up call. In the Old Testament the people in Egypt were punished 10 times for their disobedience with plagues, drought, disease, rivers turned to blood, etc. and finally death.Those who repented by following His instructions, were saved, but those who "hardened their hearts" were not. God says several times, "I set before you life and death-- choose life. So the choice is yours. Even in Revelation, there will be tribulation, similar to Egyptian times, but I found God offers His goodness if you repent. There is no one else to blame. So choose wisely. His will, will be done--Not yous, not mine.
@luna those two choices simultaneously exists, what? You don't know your God? Read the Bible. @Ann Wood's comment make sense in this case. Also God can stop the virus but unbeknownst to you/us.
Can you name one? Coronavirus isn't evil; it simply IS -- it is life. So is a tiger. Evil is a decision to do something for self gain -- egoistic selfishness. Every evil you can name has a selfish motive behind it. Evil is moving away from God and toward trying to be a master in the physical world -- a deterministic cog in the machine of action-reaction reality. *_Example:_* Stealing food to feed your family is evil. Being too embarrassed to ask for help to feed your family is also evil, because it is a protection of ego's feelings ("I don't want to be seen begging"). Taking 100% responsibility for not having food to feed your family is a righteous thing. And an amazing thing happens when you go from 99% responsibility to 100% responsibility -- miracles start to happen. *_Not doing the work_* to get to 100% on unconditional love, perfect responsibility, utter humility and fearless confidence is evil; it is selfish, like all other forms of laziness.
@@RodMartinJr Listen, man, you're coming off as arrogant and I'm coming off as hypocritical. lol😂🤣🤣 People consider unnecessary human suffering which isn't the result of human free will as "Evil." For example, COVID 19 or Cancer killing babies. The point of this video is that people are denying God exists because of suffering that has nothing to with humans. The point is why would a "Good" God allow people to suffer from things that have nothing to do with human free will like Cancer or a tiger eating you alive. EXAMPLE: Natural, diseases, disasters, animal attacks, and this VIRUS(Unless the Chinese made it) are things that make humans suffer and it has nothing to do with our free will. The point is that there is a lot of suffering that has nothing to do with humans and people don't understand that. Regardless of whether you can call these things evil, you can't deny that they cause human suffering. The question is why would an all-good god Allow us to suffer from things that have nothing to do with us? As for your example, I totally agree with you. Regardless of why you sin, you still sin. We cannot justify any of our sins including killing in self-defense no matter what people tell you about murder and killing being "different" and how we can kill as many people as we want if we're in a war or in self-defense that's human beings trying to justify our actions. The Lord is the only one who can pass judgment and we have no excuse for any of our sins.
@@strawberryanimation9294 Some very good points, but arrogance? LOL. Confidence with humility is never arrogance, but faith. Some of the Pharisees thought Christ was being arrogant, but he was merely telling the truth. What is "good" for God doesn't usually equal what a human would consider good. For instance, one of the key themes in my book, *_The Bible's Hidden Wisdom: God's Reason for Noah's Flood,_* was one based on the Flood being only an act of love. Humans get hung up on their bodies. But consider this analogy. Let us say you get a call from the hospital that your daughter has been in a car accident and the car had to be transported to the junk yard. Normally, the parents would not go to the junk yard to see the car, because that is *_not_* what is important. God is not too concerned with these Homo sapiens bodies when His children look like Him -- non-physical, spiritual and immortal sources of creation. But we can only take on that spiritual mantle by assuming God's four key traits: * Unconditional Love, * Perfect Responsibility, * Utter Humility, and * Fearless Confidence.
If you take the literal approach, god created a world in which suffering is inevitable, even if everyone behaved 100% of the time to reduce it. It would be a universe with nothing but good people with bad things happening to them. Inflicting inevitably suffering relentlessly upon the brave and innocent cannot be a good thing. Especially not when you boldly proclaim good can exist without evil.
@@FHBStudio all good people inflicted by unknown suffering is nonsense and dumb because without bad people no good people inflicting bad things upon themselves. Self Hurt. Self Depression. Love Suicide. Etc. Were all bad things created by originally Good People became Bad People because their mind is so bad can't do good things. More precisely all of us are imperfect. Judging people is entirely different case though. Good People and Bad People is inaccurate judging of others since all of us Imperfect People who wanna become Good People and Bad People in their Free will.
@Vidar Gartz 1st of all no, it's not. 2nd isn't that contradictory that "He" has a sex and has reproductory needs when he literally has 0% mortality, but somehow needs to have offsprings and only had one that's himself so he could sacrifice to himself to himself to free mankind of his own rage?
@Vidar Gartz But didn't Jesus refered to his father in third person instead of first person, implying they are different beings? And according to the trinity. God, Jesus and the Spirit are sides of the same God (Father≠Son≠Spirit≠Father and Father, Son, Spirit=God). So is there a trinity or only one God?
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pain, evil and suffering on earth will not go away because this where we learn and enrich our soul to make it brighter and transition to what god has envisioned for our soul. If all creation are good then we will be stagnant and no knowledge, learnings, no chance to grow. Before we came down to earth we know what awaits us here, our lives here all life lessons and experiences will make us a pure soul someday that makes us deserving to be one with God.
I like that fact that people who don't believe in God or even hate God, are watching these videos even if it is just to spew a bit of anger. Thanks for watching. :)
Wow. I'm impressed. This is doublespeak on the highest level! Congratulations. If Big Brother ever does become reality, you're sure to get a job in the Ministry of Truth! Innocence children die horrible deaths. Someone who can supposedly prevent that, doesn't. Bad god. End of story. Everything else is just evil twisting of words. You're not even embarrassed are you?
Not God's will. The thief steals, kills and destroys. Read John 10.10.
Prager U also would have a great job haha
It seems that your response assumes that the death of an innocent child is the "end of story," but it's not. Truly innocent children who die prior to being accountable for sin go to Heaven. That seems loving to me.
@@TrueSaint916 What a sick attitude! So the torture and killing are ok as long as you get a reward afterwards? Do you realize how sick that sounds and is? Now please do tell me exactly where my analogy doesn't fit and why.
@@TrueSaint916 A painful death for a child and the pain that inflicts upon their family. Yeah, loving.
Sounds like Stockholm Syndrome.
These videos have helped the growth of my faith and the solidification of my confidence in christ among my peers.
Thank you!
Please learn better things don't listen to this idiot
@Vidar Gartz mate im being honest
please learn to be better humans
dont watch these fuckin idiots
@@sharktenko267 Is useless, she already took a narrative. If someone doesn't try to convince her she'll never get out, and if someone try to she'll grasp them harder to not leave them.
@@gustavogodoy9626 are you saying im useless or its useless?
@@sharktenko267 It's pointless to argue with them, they won't listen to anything out of their conmen
Hey I'm one of your new subscribers. I just watched all your videos and really enjoyed them. This was a great video keep it up!
(I have not read the bible ) but wasnt it god in the creation story, i created good and evil?
No, God did not say that. The whole creation story is only the first two or three chapters of the Bible. You should give it a read.
Good have them the choice between good and evil. His love gives us free moral agency to choose His ways our sadly reject them.
You have to prove the existence of go before you can even entertain this conversation.
Why is the narrative sounds like Sir John Lennox? Anyhow, I love your channel.
The standard comes from the instinct to survive, in the stone age abusing children often lead to their death and stagnated the species, we mourn the death of loved ones so that we can understand that they are dead and we have to survive without them, evolutionary psychology provides all the answers we need to morality
Exactly, comrade!
Evolutionary psychology? Please provide reference
This is a very succinct and insightful video that provides significant clarity on a complex issue. While the arguments and perspectives are not new, they are stated in a fresh way.
Point nr 2 is a paradox, and if not that it's at least highly contradictory.
these are good points, but i dont get how evil PROVES the existence of god. you did counter the point, but you didn't prove god's existence.
God is good. Good is God . evil is present in the world cause of fallen creation , sin of man and the enemy
@@isphenomenal but that doesn't prove anything
@@darijansaravinov8200 You are correct that he doesn't prove anything.
@@stevendelucas6311 of course I'm correct, I think before saying stuff.
@@isphenomenal So a perfect God couldn't prevent his creation to fall? Also earthquakes and hurricanes can be considered evil since they cause harm without any good thing, how is that caused by humanity at all?
Reducing the numbers of overpopulated species aren't good excuses since they also kill endangered species
We live in end times.
Good job! Thak you.
1:18) wrong, being good is an evolutionary advantage, it have been proven countless times that being altruistic brings much more advantage both to you and your species
first off, you didn't actually talk about coronavirus or any natural disasters or anything of the sort, only man made issues, second, if god is all powerful, then he could make our lives completely meaningful, completely happy, no corruption, AND free will, because he is all powerful and he could just do that...
God's power is limited to what is possible. It is impossible for God to create a free will being that cannot choose to sin. That is a logical fallacy, as free will necessitates the ability to sin. If you cannot choose to sin, you do not have free will.
Agreed until point 4.
Religion has played a major part in the evil in which we have today. By not only interpreting God in a negative way, but by encouraging ppl to believe that satan is the cause of all evil, and that jesus will come down and take responsibility, to put things right.
Evil exists because ppl on a whole have allowed it to fester, by turning their backs, and allowing the corruption, from the top down. Treasonous monarchies, through their governments. vatican through the church.
Evil is not God's responsibility, it's ours. So the sooner we come together, take responsibility on a whole, and deal with those involved, in a right and proper way. The sooner we have the heaven that is mother earth, and earn God's respect.
See channel for simple solution in less than 4 minutes.
God is supposedly all loving why would he allow this to affect those he's supposed to lovr
No no if your saying that gods universe can be curropted than God is not all powerful
If he's all powerful he could snap his fingers and end the virus
The world is in a fallen state. It will be made right again when Jesus returns.
@@timothymorbitzer1655 again why would God allow the coronavirus to exist at all
I thought he was supposed to be all loving
Sin and mankind's rebellion brought in sickness and disease. God created a perfect world where man would live forever. Sin ruined it, but thankfully Jesus died so we could be forgiven and have eternal life. Have you accepted Him as your personal Lord and Savior?
@@timothymorbitzer1655 really the original sin argument?
You do realize if God exists he would have know that eve would eat from the tree and yet did nothing to stop her
God enjoy human suffering, just read Old Testament...
Read it again with concordance or bible study. You'll understand it correctly
The amount of suffering is a measure of our distance from God. And God is more concerned with his spiritual children than the bodies they wear.
Equating Jesus with God is a *_Corruption_* of scripture and of truth perpetrated by the likes of murderous and corrupt Emperor Constantine and Emperor Justinian. Jesus was *_at-one_* with the Heavenly Father, just as Elijah (Elias) was, and just as any one of us can be, if we follow Christ's commandments.
When we take on the perfection of God's four traits, we close the distance between ourselves and the Heavenly Father:
*_Unconditional Love_* -- for God is Love.
*_Perfect Responsibility_* -- for no one is more responsible than God for everything that exists.
*_Utter Humility_* -- for God never brags about his accomplishments; indeed waiting for us to come to Him, instead of forcing his will on us.
*_Fearless Confidence_* -- for God was never hesitant about creating anything.
eww god doesn't give a shit about his children's wellbeing, just what they think the man in the sky is.
@Vidar Gartz Wonderful logic! And do you have sufficient creative intelligence to figure out a compelling reason why a Source of Creation would do such a thing?
@@oobleckoobleck5063 Interesting hypothesis. Proof?
@Vidar Gartz Why would I share with you the pearls of wisdom accumulated over 70 years of deep thought and research? If you cannot be bothered to imagine, then why should I bother to answer your question?
I have not only a realistic answer, but the "real reason!" Yet, you don't want to know. It takes work to understand new concepts. It takes sufficient humility to receive new answers, yet your "cup" is already full of self-imposed certainty.
Good luck.
@Vidar Gartz Thanks for the discussion. Thomas Edison tried a thousand different ways to discover a method for creating an incandescent light bulb, when the experts told him it was impossible. Your belief is meaningless against fact and empirical evidence. Edison had over a thousand compelling ideas -- hypotheses! -- which were not useless, because they served as something to test against reality. Scientists do this all the time, so it's not useless to them. The testing of a hypothesis determines whether or not it is factual. Interesting that you did not understand science well enough to think of this.
When your cup is truly empty, you will be ready to learn. Your words say you are ready; your behavior says otherwise.
Good luck!
Excellent.
Nice work
But what about an omnipotent, omniscient, all loving God? God would know and have the power to make it so free will can exist without making evil. Another point I want to make is you started that without evil we can’t see what should be, yet you also state that evil is the corruption of good, and so in its absence there’s nothing but good, so that would mean that good can still exist and be seen without evil, but maybe I’m wrong. Also you have to assume people have free will, but you could argue that people have values and make decisions on those values so unless one can change their values their lives are ultimately predetermined as they can’t make a decision that deviates their values. For a basic example if i gives the choice between vanilla and chocolate, and you value chocolate, then if i gives the same decision then you’d choose chocolate again unless you value variety. I’m not saying i could predict everything you’d do, but assuming you were consistent in your values I think with time one could. Hope I haven’t presented any terrible logic or arguments, as i really want to improve, correct me if you see anything wrong!
Free will can exist without making Evil like God except Humans cause we are imperfect *also* God created us Good at the beginning *but* Free will can do evil because *knowledge of good and evil* exists.
Sorry to burst your bubble, but your logic only makes sense when we are equal to God which doesn't make sense. Just because we're predetermined doesn't mean God didn't know Free will in _Multiple World Interpretation_ but God's omniscient and favored Free will making Multiple World Interpretation nonexistent because _Infinite Universes_ doesn't necessarily to exist because Infinite Universes includes Theory of Dualism which Good and Evil equally powerful is contradiction to Bible and the nature of omnipotence (even in fictional concepts of tier ranking characters agree with omnipotence was for single individual and everyone else is nigh-omnipotence, in reality God's omniscient omnipotent omnipresence were just separate attributes). Just because we are made in the image of God doesn't mean you can't do evil. God's omniscient is Creator and its nature is also omnipotence which knows and hates Evil because Good things are favored by God, also God can prevent corruption of Good because its Holiness is omnipotent but strict to Evil and its Holy Spirit is omnipresence.
Logic: One can't be omnipotent if don't know how it was created, so without omniscient the omnipotent is impossible. When anyone just claims omnipotent is possible without omniscient is implying there's a nonexistent omniscient within omnipotent power which is automatically just nonsense.
David Gumazon if humans create evil because they’re imperfect and god created us with the knowledge that we’d create evil then why did he if he’s perfectly good and has the power in order to ensure one has both free will and so one doesn’t suffer from evil. It’s clearly not to test us, as an all knowing god would know the result, oddly enough an all knowing god poses a big problem to the concept of him giving free will, and that’s that God would know our every action before we make it, and so our lives are predetermined, otherwise how would he know such things?
@@thetomhawk1176 Now you're blaming God for being Omniscient which again doesn't make sense because of your assumptions. And the contrary to your idea cause without free will our lives not predetermined which doesn't make sense alongside of either Omniscient observer exists or not in this case. It cringed me out of your double standard attitude.
First standard is that free will is *automatically* predetermined equivalent to being *controlled* by God and Second standard is that whoever controlled by God has no free will would automatically predetermined their life, basically whether God is in control our lives or not has to have God's will *automatically* determined "everything should be *good* because God "is perfectly good" to *ensure* no one has to suffer" which offers the your idea of "God can stop all that if he wanted too" which an argument is trying similar to the second temptation out of three temptation of Jesus Christ.
The second temptation out of three temptation of Jesus Christ is in Matthew 4: 6 _“If You are the Son of God, throw Yourself down. For it is written: ‘He shall give His angels charge over you,’ and, ‘In their hands, they shall bear you up, lest you dash your foot against a stone’”_
Jesus responded by quoting also from Scripture and applying it correctly: _“It is written again, ‘You shall not tempt the Lord your God’”_ (Matthew 4:7). In other translations, it says, _“Do not put the Lord your God to the test.”_
God does not play dice and stop telling God what to do. Concept of World Peace is human ideal, the only peace you could attain is from God.
You questioned the existence of suffer and pain, your hypothetical belief if God exists, those things wouldn't exist, and everyone should be living in pleasure within paradise because he's All Loving whether we have free will or not, but you're FOOL for thinking "Everyone *would obey* God whether you have free will or not, without free will doesn't mean logical way of thinking would always be perfectly obey God in *every* ways (Serpent in Genesis for example), even if Free Will doesn't obey, Evil doesn't create pain and suffer because *everything is good* which is God's will makes concept of suffer and pain nonexistent through maximum omnipotence omniscience omnipresence." Which breaks the many laws in scriptures.
But wait there's more, based on your ideas suggests a similar view of "Why not make his existence seeable so more people can believe in him"
In Scriptures, Satan and Jesus, the third temptation out of three temptation of Jesus Christ is in Matthew 4: 9 _“All these things I will give You if You will fall down and worship me.”_
That similar attempt is "his existence seeable" so "He could enjoy all the glory without enduring the suffering."
But God sent his son, Jesus, to saved us, endured the hardship along with us.
After reading your views and arguments as a whole, you believed God doesn't exist preceded the your hypothetical views, your logic shouldn't by "God is at fault" or "God allows" followed by your logic "God doesn't exist" therefore it's not God's fault.
In this case, your idea of God should *forcibly* control us and so our lives are predetermined because your idea "ensure one has both free will and so no one doesn't suffer evil" which is made by your self-righteous/narrow views on God which poses a big problem to the concept of free will, not God, therefore it's not God's fault.
In Scriptures, Satan and Jesus, the first temptation out of three temptation of Jesus Christ is in Matthew 4:3 “If You are the Son of God, command that these stones become bread.”
At “If you are the Son of God …” he was not questioning Jesus’ deity for he knew exactly who Jesus was. He was saying, “Since you are the Son of God, why starve yourself to death? C’mon, just change some stones into bread.”
Your similar attempt is "if he's perfectly good and has the power to ensure one has both free will and so no one doesn't suffer evil"
But God sent his son, Jesus, to saved us, endured the hardship along with us.
The second temptation out of three temptation of Jesus Christ responded by quoting from Deuteronomy (Deut. 8:3). But Jesus was not just quoting a favorite verse. Chapter 8 of Deuteronomy talks about the Israelites wandering in the wilderness for forty years. After plundering the Egyptians of their gold and silver, God led the Israelites into the wilderness to teach them obedience and dependence on God.
*It's clearly a test.*
Your comment is honestly similar to person I talked with previously, they're who complaining on God through their assumptions which I'm tired of this loop of conversation.
Okay taste my strawman fallacy... Let's say you don't believe in God because you think God doesn't exist.
Are you gonna implying that "Christianity teaches contradictory to the Bible that teaches" or "you believed the Christianity is a crime and wrong in general" ?
Jesus said loudly, _Whoever _*_believes_*_ in _*_me believes_*_ not only in me but also in the one who sent _*_me_* (God of Israel, God of Abraham, which is Holy, Living God)
Ok Boomer
Suffering is real, undeniable and inevitable. It is bad, and therefore propagating suffering is therefore evil. I can't go much further than that, because we don't know what actions we think reduces suffering may cause harm for others, and end up worse. Believe me, there are a lot of people with ideas on how to reduce suffering for everyone, greatly increasing the amount of suffering instead. I'm not even sure actual good exists, but evil surely does.
so helping people isn't good?
@@thetraditionalist Really depends on what is actually helping and what is actually good. Do you help the poor by giving them free stuff? Or do you help them by training them to help themselves and others?
Just look at the USSR or China or other communist states where supposedly good intentions lead.
Helping people is good. I just think only very few people know what actually helps either themselves or others. Conversely, almost everyone thinks they do know what helps and are insistent on doing so, even if they're wrong.
@@FHBStudio you meet the immediate need by giving a man a fish, and the long term need by teaching him to fish. It is better to do something than nothing. Lots of people know what helps. Like Mr. Rogers said, look for the helpers, they are out there.
@@FHBStudio USSR and China revolutions got evil very quickly, slaughter of anyone who resisted was the rule early on, and still is. Jesus's revolution, when his words followed closely, is peaceful and loving and good.
@@liljade53 The west has been feeding fish to men in afrika for decades, stifling the people who wanted to learn how to fish. After all, if the market is saturated with free fish, to whom is he going to sell the fish he catches? He can't compete with free.
The moment people think they have a grasp on what is good, they turn tyrannical eventually. This is even true for the religious, as many an evil act has been committed in the name of every religion. Once you think you've found the answer, you stop looking for what might actually be the answer, and you close your eyes to ever more contentious information. All we have is "don't be evil". That's the current best we can do. To reduce suffering and to prepare for the inevitable suffering.
that's a false statement. If I think helping the poor is a good thing, that means that I inevitably will become tyrannical?
Jesus came to fix religion gone awry. When his followers actually adhere to his words, good ensues. For centuries his words were not available to the common man, and even now when they are, people choose not to read them, or adhere to them. But he did bring a solution for peace and love, and true worship.
@@thetraditionalist It is, if you are convinced there is no way but yours. The worst tyrants were not mustache twirling cape wearing crooks, but people who thought they were doing the right thing for all of mankind. The great leap forward, the 1000 year reigh, plenty more examples along those lines where people were blind to their own faults because they had justified their evil in the name of their own ideal of good.
@@FHBStudio I understand your point but you said that everyone who thinks that they know what's right INEVITABLY ends up becoming evil. That's ridiculous lmao
@@liljade53 exactly
Point 1. This points us towards the idea of “treat people the way you want to be treated”. This does not necessitate a god. You are claiming that morality cannot exist without God, but of course it can, through the principle described above. Morality is not a universal constant, but that doesn’t mean it can’t exist. I’m an atheist, but I’m not an amoral sociopath- my very existence disproves point 1, so let’s move on.
Point 2. Most of this is an argument for our point. If good can exist without evil, then evil need not exist. And this is about COVID, so blaming humans doesn’t make any sense.
Point 3. This is the classical “free will” answer to evil and suffering- but COVID did not arise from man’s choices (although they definitely helped it spread.) Cancer and ALS did not arise from man’s choices. If they did not come from man, nor God, then who?
Point 4. This seems more like wishful thinking- wanting there to be a god to reassure that somehow, this had a good reason. And although I begrudge no one that comfort, to use it as evidence is meaningless. (Also, Job had all his loved ones killed directly by God, so using him as an example of his love? Not the best idea.)
But hope can, and does exist, without God, even for those who have died. Information theory means information can never be destroyed- if you know all particles in a closed system and their states, you can determine every state they ever had- including the brain structure of someone now gone. Such technology seems like a distant dream now, and it is. But it won’t always be- and that’s what hope is. Hope that we’ll live to see it, even create it- or that even if we don’t, we’ll one day wake up again, in a world where it exists.
TL;DR: halfway through, this turned into the classic problem of evil and free will, but human free will is not the only source of suffering in this world. No one chooses to get cancer or ALS.
Sin, rebellion and satan are at the root, not God.
As if God couldn’t just snap his fingers and erase those from existence.
Then we would be robots and not free moral agents. Sure, He could MAKE us follow Him but who wants forced obedience and "love." Would you call that a relationship?
Timothy Morbitzer we can have free will without disease though
Did God created human or robots.
1:21 a world without god can provide such a standard. Sam Harris has provided one.
how?
@@thetraditionalist He simply calls upon the worst state of being possible and calls it bad, and anything away from that relatively good. In his discussion with Jordan Peterson, doctor Peterson one upped him still (and he concurred): the worst possible suffering for all things that can suffer is made worse by everyone wanting and enacting it upon the world. But yeah that's an absolute baseline for what is bad, and so any act that takes us in that direction is evil.
@@FHBStudio who decides what is the worst state of being possible? Shitty argument he has. And aren't you the guy saying we can't know what is good and bad?
@@thetraditionalist I think we can tell what things are bad, but that we often don't consider the bad that may come from any good intentions we may have.
For example, windmills out at sea wrecking the ecological systems at the bottom. Fight climate change is the motto, but apparently without taking into account the ecological impact.
Another example. For decades the west has provided food aid to developing countries. So people there receive free food. Now, it's good that they don't starve. However, if you are a local wanting to start a cog in the food industry, it'll be nearly impossible, because you cannot sell a product to people who can get it for free.
@@FHBStudio Good logic, as far as it goes, but human nature isn't exactly that tidy. The notion of "fight climate change" is an oxymoron! And it is especially toxic when the fight is against global warming in our ongoing Ice Age. That's like stapling people's mouths shut at a banquet after they've been suffering starvation. Same with CO2. Our planet suffered extreme CO2 starvation 35 Mya, motivating plant species worldwide to evolve -- *_in parallel_* -- the new set of C4 species in order to cope with the CO2 starvation. What was the level of CO2 back then that was so painful to plants? It was 800 ppm (2x today's level). CO2 normal is closer to 2,300 ppm -- the average under which all animal life has existed.
It is human nature to be selfish. Any system set up by man will eventually descend into the lowest common denominator -- the wailing and gnashing of teeth mentioned by Christ. That's because selfishness is a natural part of this deterministic, action-reaction, physical universe. And the only true Free Will that we have is the decision-point on whether or not to stay a physical cog, or to awaken the true spiritual self. And playing around with the programming of physical reality is so cool, but you can only do that if you give up egoistic selfishness.
A world without god would be a wonderful thing. No more killing done under her name.
Brings me genuine wonder how would Native American and African cultures would have developed to this day if they haven't been wiped out
@@gustavogodoy9626 Do you believe that Native American and African cultures are somehow more pure, moral, or superior? Do you know that Native American tribes fought with one another? And took Slaves? Sacagawea was kidnapped by Hidatsa and sold into a non-consensual marriage. There are many truly African cultures still in Africa today. And there is modern slavery there. The problem that plagues all humans is selfishness, greed, deceit, (otherwise known as sin). A world without sin would be a wonderful thing. I believe that God offers us rescue from this sin problem through Jesus. What is your solution?
@@karengratza8192 Not really, but those are their problems, we want to avoid unnecessary suffering, and the answer to that isn't enslaving and killing most people there, leaving them poor in dictatorships to benefit the western cultures. We'll never know how would they develop because of that.
The ones that still survives. In Latin America most of the 75~ cultures where reduced between none or a dozen individuals except for the Mapuches which still fights 300 years of unfairness. You wouldn't be happy if someone just breaks into your house and makes it theirs, stealing your stuff, kicking you and your family out and establishing their own manners and telling everyone how awful you are.
Except that this slavery came from religion itself. What do you think Conquistadores believed in? What do you think is the most popular belief is in LA and Africa and why? Remember when God said to Moses go over there and take Jericho? Or is slavery fine when it is in Christianity's name?
My ideal solution is that people understand religion as old stories used to justify events and nature. Now with science, this is no longer required, we can search for answers and actual explanations of the world; and then people abandon religion for historical context of what people believed in the past. Willingly, since forcing them will only perpetuate the problem, like the Dark ages, like Islam pursuing atheism, etc. We just don't need it anymore.
Slavery in the US was practiced under god's name. They were as convinced of its righteousness as we are of its wrongfulness.
Not only profiting from a calamity but speeding very faulty logic
how is this profiting from a calamity?
hello, did you miss the part that you watched it for free? would you care to share how the logic is faulty?
To address the reasons for this argument being faulty, there are a few things to consider. Firstly, it’s important to define what we mean when we say “good” and “evil/bad”. You might have a different view on it then me, which may be a key point in disagreement, but here it goes: “Good” is an event that takes place which causes more collective happiness then suffering while Bad causes more suffering than happiness.
First of all, Good and Bad are concepts that only exist because of emotional (since this is required to feel happiness and suffering) and rational beings (capable of making rational decisions). If the action occurring doesn’t include these 2 important aspects, it can’t be evaluated as good or bad. So, for example, a rock falling down in Mars or a lion eating its prey cant be considered to be good or bad. I’ll be looking more towards human actions as being good or bad in the next sentences.
Secondly, good and bad is not so black and white as it may seem, since outcomes can sometimes be hard to speculate in our actions. For example, it’s possible to do something with good intentions but end up hurting someone. It is possible to do things that will have both good and bad outcomes, so what would we call this? There are actions in which breaking the law will cause less collective suffering, like stealing an epipen from a closed pharmacy to save a person having an epileptic attack.
Independently of what you define as good or bad, I believe we can both agree that less suffering is a good thing and more suffering is a bad thing.
In conclusion, even though good and bad, in the terms I explained, can be hard to discern and have some subjectiveness at times, we can most definitely arrive at better conclusions on how to be better people by using reason and establishing which action in that specific context will cause the least suffering. Doing this doesn’t necessitate a God or Devine being, it is purely rational and emotional, it comes from us and what we value. I’m not saying a God doesn’t exist, I’m of the position that I don’t know, but surely this can’t be used to explain his existence as the video suggests.
If God exists either he can't stop the virus or he chooses not to and watches people suffer and die. Those are the only two choices
no he gave the chinese the free choice to create in a lab. You would be driven crazy if every time you wanted to do anything wrong, God intervened.
God exists and is using this virus as a wake-up call. In the Old Testament the people in Egypt were punished 10 times for their disobedience with plagues, drought, disease, rivers turned to blood, etc. and finally death.Those who repented by following His instructions, were saved, but those who "hardened their hearts" were not. God says several times, "I set before you life and death-- choose life. So the choice is yours. Even in Revelation, there will be tribulation, similar to Egyptian times, but I found God offers His goodness if you repent. There is no one else to blame. So choose wisely. His will, will be done--Not yous, not mine.
@@thetraditionalist you make sense
@@annwood8634 so true
@luna those two choices simultaneously exists, what? You don't know your God? Read the Bible. @Ann Wood's comment make sense in this case. Also God can stop the virus but unbeknownst to you/us.
Not all "Evil" is caused by humans.
Can you name one? Coronavirus isn't evil; it simply IS -- it is life. So is a tiger. Evil is a decision to do something for self gain -- egoistic selfishness. Every evil you can name has a selfish motive behind it. Evil is moving away from God and toward trying to be a master in the physical world -- a deterministic cog in the machine of action-reaction reality.
*_Example:_* Stealing food to feed your family is evil. Being too embarrassed to ask for help to feed your family is also evil, because it is a protection of ego's feelings ("I don't want to be seen begging"). Taking 100% responsibility for not having food to feed your family is a righteous thing. And an amazing thing happens when you go from 99% responsibility to 100% responsibility -- miracles start to happen. *_Not doing the work_* to get to 100% on unconditional love, perfect responsibility, utter humility and fearless confidence is evil; it is selfish, like all other forms of laziness.
@@RodMartinJr Listen, man, you're coming off as arrogant and I'm coming off as hypocritical. lol😂🤣🤣
People consider unnecessary human suffering which isn't the result of human free will as "Evil." For example, COVID 19 or Cancer killing babies. The point of this video is that people are denying God exists because of suffering that has nothing to with humans. The point is why would a "Good" God allow people to suffer from things that have nothing to do with human free will like Cancer or a tiger eating you alive.
EXAMPLE: Natural, diseases, disasters, animal attacks, and this VIRUS(Unless the Chinese made it) are things that make humans suffer and it has nothing to do with our free will. The point is that there is a lot of suffering that has nothing to do with humans and people don't understand that. Regardless of whether you can call these things evil, you can't deny that they cause human suffering. The question is why would an all-good god Allow us to suffer from things that have nothing to do with us?
As for your example, I totally agree with you. Regardless of why you sin, you still sin. We cannot justify any of our sins including killing in self-defense no matter what people tell you about murder and killing being "different" and how we can kill as many people as we want if we're in a war or in self-defense that's human beings trying to justify our actions. The Lord is the only one who can pass judgment and we have no excuse for any of our sins.
@@strawberryanimation9294 Some very good points, but arrogance? LOL. Confidence with humility is never arrogance, but faith. Some of the Pharisees thought Christ was being arrogant, but he was merely telling the truth.
What is "good" for God doesn't usually equal what a human would consider good. For instance, one of the key themes in my book, *_The Bible's Hidden Wisdom: God's Reason for Noah's Flood,_* was one based on the Flood being only an act of love. Humans get hung up on their bodies. But consider this analogy. Let us say you get a call from the hospital that your daughter has been in a car accident and the car had to be transported to the junk yard. Normally, the parents would not go to the junk yard to see the car, because that is *_not_* what is important. God is not too concerned with these Homo sapiens bodies when His children look like Him -- non-physical, spiritual and immortal sources of creation. But we can only take on that spiritual mantle by assuming God's four key traits:
* Unconditional Love,
* Perfect Responsibility,
* Utter Humility, and
* Fearless Confidence.
@@RodMartinJr This was a nice conversation. I must say I agree with you here.
If you take the literal approach, god created a world in which suffering is inevitable, even if everyone behaved 100% of the time to reduce it. It would be a universe with nothing but good people with bad things happening to them. Inflicting inevitably suffering relentlessly upon the brave and innocent cannot be a good thing. Especially not when you boldly proclaim good can exist without evil.
Lol are you dumb enough to think that people are trying to reduce suffering. What planet do you live on?
@@thetraditionalist You can reduce my suffering by improving your reading comprehension, that's for sure.
@@FHBStudio all good people inflicted by unknown suffering is nonsense and dumb because without bad people no good people inflicting bad things upon themselves.
Self Hurt. Self Depression. Love Suicide. Etc. Were all bad things created by originally Good People became Bad People because their mind is so bad can't do good things.
More precisely all of us are imperfect.
Judging people is entirely different case though.
Good People and Bad People is inaccurate judging of others since all of us Imperfect People who wanna become Good People and Bad People in their Free will.
@@FHBStudio you can reduce mine by shutting your ignorant mouth
@Vidar Gartz so what? he insulted me, i'm giving him a taste of his own medicine
If god exists, she has a lot explaining to do.
@Vidar Gartz So God is a biological being with a need for sex
@Vidar Gartz 1st of all no, it's not.
2nd isn't that contradictory that "He" has a sex and has reproductory needs when he literally has 0% mortality, but somehow needs to have offsprings and only had one that's himself so he could sacrifice to himself to himself to free mankind of his own rage?
@Vidar Gartz How is it that it's not real? So God has a sex or not?
@Vidar Gartz But didn't Jesus refered to his father in third person instead of first person, implying they are different beings?
And according to the trinity. God, Jesus and the Spirit are sides of the same God (Father≠Son≠Spirit≠Father and Father, Son, Spirit=God). So is there a trinity or only one God?
These arguments are so garbage lol
ok
Ad hominem gets you nowhere man
nice rebuttal bro. You must be an amazing debater
No, all of you people are so toxic upon each other, so proud of debate, but didn't you know God hates the proud?
Why?
I mean, this is an obvious troll ... the whole channel, they cannot be serious with this kindergarten level argumentation....