Chicago Deep Dish: Pizza or Casserole? || Really Dough?
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- It’s one of the oldest debates. Is Chicago deep dish really a pizza? Some call it a casserole, other’s an abomination. Jon Stewart once attacked the pizza on national television claiming, "This is tomato soup in a bread bowl. This is an above ground marinara swimming pool for rats." So on this episode of Really Dough? Scott and Mark are tackling the great debate with a classic Chicago deep dish pie from Emmett’s in Manhattan. Will Mark call it a pizza? Will Mark kick Scott out?
Pizza is one of the most customizable foods in history. Tomato sauce, white sauce, artichoke cream sauce, broccoli, M&M’s, pineapple, edible 24K gold -- a pizza can be anything your heart desires. But should it? Renowned pizza nerd Scott Wiener is challenging the idea that pizza can be anything. He’s traveling all over America, spotlighting these Frankenstein pizzas and trying to make a case for whether these new customizations can, in fact, still be considered a pizza. In the end, Wiener takes these pizzas to Lucali to pass final judgment from the purist of all pizza purists, Mark Iacono, where he will either declare each slice “PIZZA!” or ask with complete disgust, “Really, dough???”
Credits:
Hosts
Scott Wiener
Mark Iacono
Guest
Emmett Burke
Showrunner
Keith Cecere
Senior Producer
Chas Truslow
Producer
Phoebe Melnick
Director of Photography
Vwodek Rucewicz
Camera Operator
Kevin Provost
Assistant Camera
Lucas Young
Production Audio
Nathan Bonetto
Gaffer
Manny Ramos
Senior Editor
Chris “The Editor” Murphy
Associate Editor
Ede Bell Crowder
Colorist
Thom McKenna
Post Audio
Aldon Baker
Animators
Fredy Delgado, Megan Chong
Production Coordinator
Roshanna Charner, Myra Rivera
Production Assistants
Nick Hernandez, Trask Grant, Mickey Lynch, Jason Pozarowski
Line Producer
Emily Tufaro
Director of Development
Leo Fernandez
Post-Production Supervisor
Daniel Byrne
Supervising Producer
Stasia Tomlinson
Design Director
Ted McGrath
Executive Producer
Justin Lundstrom
Music
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Composer: Gabriel R Shadid (BMI 50%), Alexander Wolfgang Pfeffer (BMI 50%)
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Composer: Christopher James Goulstone (PRS 100%)
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Track Title: Baseball Charge
Composer: Jim Wolfe (ASCAP 100%)
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Track Title: Saccio Na Bella Canzone
Composer: Antonio Paliotti (SIAE 100%)
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Track Title: Tick The Box B
Composer: Mitch Dalton (PRS 50%), John Charles Fiddy (GEMA 50%)
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Track Title: Take Me Out to The Ballgame
Composer: E’s Jammy Jams
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Track Title: Chicago
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Track Title: Touch Control
Composer: Curtis Frederick Schwartz (PRS 100%)
05:34:13
Track Title: Spy Out
Composer: Klooz (SACEM 50%), Kidedo (SACEM 50%)
05:49:17
Track Title: I Always Leave Part of My Heart in Chicago - Underscore
Composer: Erin Rosacker (ASCAP 100%)
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Track Title: Hard Time (Underscore Version)
Composer: Peter Jeremias (BMI 100%)
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Composer: Sam Spence (BMI 100%)
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Track Title: Simply
Composer: Pasquale Castiglione (SIAE 100%)
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"The genus is pizza, the species is Chicago."
Okay. I accept that.
Ones a casserole
@@nateman10 Nah. It uses the same ingredients and it's been invented by Italian pizza makers. Just like livestock being bred for different things.
@@nateman10 Deep dish is descended from pizza. It may look like something else but it doesn't loose that. Just like how whales are mammals not fish. They still retain key characteristics
@@Ash_Wen-li Thats like saying that a hamburger and lasagna are the same thing when they have the same ingredients (pasta is just another kind of bread, etc)... It's just absurd.
Pizza is defined by form, not ingredients, which is why a Hawaiian pizza is more of a pizza than the deep dish monstrosity.
@@kevinbooth- You completely ignored the part where I mentioned deep dish is DESCENDED from pizza. Just like how dolphins are descended from mammals. They don't magically become something else. And it hasn't changed so far as to become something completely different. It's still crust, cheese, sauce. Just in different amounts
"Does that not look like a casserole?" "Casseroles are not round." "What are they?" "Rectangular." (Stares intensely) LOL that's just good dialogue.
It's just depends on the pan you cook it in though😂
It's more about the space between the dialogue - introverts hell and heaven.
Sounds like wannabe Seinfeld dialogue.
Mark's commitment to the simplicity and authenticity of 🍕 fascinates me... His dry sense of humor kills me... 👍👍
Pizza originally didn't have cheese.
wow..a true fanboy
yeah I love his humour, and also I wouldn't mind going to sleep while listening to him telling me bedtime stories with that calm voice of his
wow, really dough?
this show is fun but its useless once you realize Mark is right...
This show is basically a 90's porno where the sex is replaced with pizza instead.
Maybe thats why i love this series so much
100th like 😊
pizza is sex
I was wondering why my pants were getting tighter when they ate the pizza
LOOOOOOL!
“It’s genus is Pizza, it’s species is Chicago.”
“Yes, god, yes.”
Mark sounds extremely disappointed
He says Scott not god.
Mark Lucali's accent is the most beautiful thing ever, why can't all New Yorkers talk like that
mark iacono
Nah I'm not tryna have that accent but how deep his voice is hell yeah
Mark iacono
Tim Apple*
No, guys, it's definitely Mark Lucali. He's best friends with Frank BestPizza and Jeff Amazon
The relationship between Scott and Mark gives me Conan and Jordan Schlansky vibes
The dead eye stare compare to is this a pizza?
not really
@@Romopunk7 nOt ReAlLy
Mr Ouch nOt ReAlLy
I was looking for this comment.
I love how Mark is always stretching out dough , even though nobody ordered pizza
Gotta Practice
making a palate cleanser
Mark lucali should try acting. He would be such a warm actor
John wick bruh
He's mark iacono.. But yeah he'd be great.. Especially in mafia related movies
Tbh he built like a fine actor
he reminds me of dylan mcdermott
@@hussain7800
Hh
"Im gonna enlighten myself with some of your sausage". Uhhhhh lol
“Not a euphemism”
Pause
No homo
-“I’ll see you soon”
- “I hope so 😉”
Keep it PG
Each time I watch Mark I love him more and more.
The best part is if you ever meet him in person, this is his real personality.
I love the banter between these 2 enthusiasts
“Don’t eat pizza with a for and knife”
I would purposely annoy Scott by attempting to eat it with a spoon.
Scott: I don't even know anymore
"I'm gonna enlighten myself with your sausage" pause
Joseph Ibarra gotta be gay with the homies 🚫🧢
Saw your comment right as they said it Lmao
Aaron Lumbao BRUH SAME WTF
Mark's jaded, worldly blue collar attitude really plays well off Scott's hyper enthusiastic, hipster manchild persona.
These two have such amazing chemistry it's actually engrossing to watch to the finish.
It is a pizza, but if someone says "hey, let's go get pizza" or "I got you a pizza" I wouldn't think of deep dish. Someone would specifically have to qualify it with "deep dish". Kind of like saying "turkey burger with cheese" instead of calling it a "cheeseburger"
Or a double cheeseburger rather than a hamburger ya fuck
You had me until you said turkey burger. Chicago deep dish is quality, legit pizza. Turkey burgers aren't burgers. They're just turkey sandwiches.
ikr the analogy is so wrong one is choice of meat while the other is shape and size
@@menacetosociety9076 Pizza is sauce and cheese on a crust. Deep dish pizza is just as much pizza as hand tossed or thin or any other kind of crust. The ingredients are exactly the same, it's just a matter of how you shape it. And really not even a significant difference. A hamburger has two components.. ground beef and bun. If it's missing one of those two ingredients, and INARGUABLY the more defining one (the beef), it's not a hamburger anymore. And if those guy argues that he said cheeseburger, cheeseburger irrefutably refers to a hamburger with cheese.
If you gave the average consumer a turkey "burger" or a veggie "burger" or whatever instead of a real hamburger when they asked for a real hamburger, there would be a problem. If the same consumer walked into a pizzeria and ordered a pepperoni pizza and got a Chicago Deep Dish, they wouldn't complain that they didn't get a pepperoni pizza. Also, a lot of restaurants will have many kinds of burger "alternatives". Most authentic pizzerias specialize in a particular crust type, whether it's classic New York style or Chicago Deep Dish or whatever. So you know when you walk in what to expect. It's a style difference, not a completely different food.
@@DeltathRiylaan Disagree. It is not only about ingredients. The term Pizza is very precisely defined by now and it is the Neaples style. It is even a UNESCO world heritage. In my opinion your example is pretty bad, especially because the Burger is not even an American creation, but in fact a German. A good example of comparison would be Champagne.
Really looking forward to this series, Scott and Mark are hilarious together.
Pizza is like sex..even if it's bad...it's still pretty good
you got that from that buzzfeed video about the tastiest pizza i've ever had
@@n4b1d
I first heard this about 10 years ago. I don't think Buzzfeed was even a thing back then.
Not school pizza
@Nolwenn Appelbaum did u not eat school pizza taste like Clorox
What about 1 dollar supermarket pizza.
I’m from the Chicago land area and I gotta say I NEVER eat my deep dish with a fork and knife, i hold it with my hand. The way pizza should be eaten
People not from Chicago don't know how we eat. Lol they think we use forks
You're so right and I really hate it when people think they know us or our city
I always thought they used forks too lol
@@CookingwithVROY1790 born and raised and I don't know a single person who eats deep dish with their hands.
@@BrayBray78 we do
"It is pizza.... Chicago pizza" xD xD
Vast majority of us that actually live in Chicago don’t eat deep dish. Unless you have out of town friends who want the novelty. Tavern style cut in squares is the unique Chicago style. Super thin and crispy.
I hate thin pizza tho
Your editing is out of this world. I love it.
okay..after not seeing this series not coming back for a while, i thought that it was done. But YEAH, finally you guys came back with season 2. love it.
rayendra abiyasa I
Am I the only one who burst out laughing when Mark said "Chicago pizza" 😂😂🍕?
I know, really trivial but..
'Do you have a forkin' knife?'
That's why you should say 'Knife and Fork' in that order.
Haha
Anyone thought of deep dish as a pie with pizza toppings instead of a pizza?
Yeah a salty pie but its delicious
Milo Didi Sure
...isn't that what all pizzas are?
@@fnjesusfreak well, deep dish literally looks like a pie and it's baked in a tin instead of a flat sheet, which pies are also baked in tins.
When I see Italian pizzas, I wouldn't think of it as pie, but deep dish has some resemblance to pies :)
That’s why people say “pizza pie”. A pizza is basically just is a savory pie.
Scott and Mark, such an improbable yet fulfilling pairing
Emmett mentions knife and fork in Italy. Yup, for personal pies served at sit down restos. However *_pizza al taglio_* (pizza by the slice) is eaten by hand. They're on display; you order by weight; it's heated; go. Great looking deep dish but Scott needs to find Chicago "stuffed" pizza. Pretty sure we can guess how Mark would react. This series is awesome...glad it's back. 👍
I don’t really get your point. I’ve never seen Chicago deep dish sold by the slice. It’s mostly a dine in dish meant to be shared with others at the table. It seems to be just what you described
@Jacob Van Ness Yup, you missed the point indeed. It's not the fact that deep dish isn't usually sold by the slice; it's that lots of pizza in Italy is eaten *_without_* knife and fork. And I specifically said _personal_ pies denoting a smallish pizza instead of a large pizza for the entire table...so this is not similar to Chicago deep dish as you concluded. Just to be clear, at a sit-down resto in Italy, you may see three diners with three pizzas in front of them all un-sliced. Everyone is using knives and forks happily eating their own pie.
Tosh T so people eat pizza with forks and knives then? You still haven’t proven anything. Lots of pizza is eaten without forks and knives here. Lots is eaten without it there. The fact that it’s eaten with fork and knife doesn’t make it any less of a pizza.
@Jacob Van Ness Not trying to prove anything. Just following up on what Emmett said about pizza etiquette in Italy. It’s really that simple. You’re thinking too much.
@@tosht2515 I feel like you're writing about A and he understands W
i miss this show been years since ive been back wish they re brought this show back
That's transition and the angle you are being filmed at makes this seem like a TV show
6:35
Which is better ? The one that you want at the time. They're two different things containing the same basic elements.
9:25 he says shut the fuuuuckkk uppp with his eyes lol
I’ve never seen a deep pan pizza that looks good before...
This looks delicious!
2:17 behind his left shoulders are Serbian Dinars :) that guy on 100 Serbian Dinars(blue one) is Nikola Tesla
5:00 haha really like the editing here. That three minutes was an eternity
Good point about the sausage. The idea of having homemade sausage rather than preprocessed sliced sausage is appealing
0:50 waiting for Jon Stewart to come out of nowhere.
i fuckin love the characters of these 2
Scott is a talkactive, adventurous pizza person
and Mark is just tired of scott shit lol
Just to be clear there is a difference between Chicago style deep dish and Chicago style deep dish with sauce on top ordered from a proper Chicago Pizzeria. I don't know if it's the atmospheric conditions the water from Lake Michigan or the ovens but there seems to be a difference in taste texture and sometimes even appearance. Cheers
The crusts should be a little more burnt to get that extra flavour but that’s just me...had Chicago pizza in Chicago and I remember that distinct detail about their pizza....amazing tho
I'm going to have to make a point here: 90% of the time, when Chicagoans order pizza, it's thin crust, cut into squares. However, we do have excellent deep dish AND stuffed pizza. Deep dish is thicker crust, and cheese underneath, with sauce on top. Stuffed is crust over the ingredients, with sauce on top. The "Chicago Pizza is deep dish" is/was a Food Channel construction.
@@MmmBeer "They" call it "tavern style" on the Food Channel. However, of the dozens of pizza joints I've been to, including the ones that serve stuffed and deep dish (both different), all of them serve thin crust cut into squares.
@@MmmBeer Post some actual, reputable historical documentation of earlier use in St. Louis vs Chicago please, or kindly stop parroting this EVERYWHERE with absolutely no backing information.
"New York Pizza is paper plates with pepperoni and cheese on it." That might be the real shit I've ever heard
Vietnam has one very very very weird Pizza called Pizza Tofu Bun Shrimp Sauce, try it sometimes lol
No
Mark's accent is the most delicious thing I've ever heard. On my next visit to NY I'm 100% going by his pizzeria.
It looks like a quiche 100%
What makes Mark so cool is his relaxed speaking. Listening to him talk is basically the opposite of this video. This video is like walking into a CiCi's pizza.
Went to Emmett’s last week. Pizza (casserole) was fantastic, service was also great. Don't care what you call it, but it was delicious!!!
I really like the way that the final part between the two was shot film wise with the pan and the zooms. Felt very friendly.
Mark reallyyy looks like Skeet Ulrich and I can’t be the only one who sees it!
1:58 You vs the guy she tells you not to worry about 😂😂😂
That pizza would be amazing with a layer of ricotta
Then it really would be a casserole.
This guy:"This is superior the form of pizza"
Me:laughs in neapolitan
the really bad chicago style pizzas ive had were just super thick ass dough. the best ones were legit pies. several layers of toppings stacked on top of each other.
The real deal
Should have brought him a Chicago Tavern thin crust that would make him wonder how thin can we make a crust.
He probably already knows since that super thin crust is a thing at Joe and Pats pizza in Staten Island and their super thin pizza is widely known among New York pizza enthusiasts
This man said New York pizza is a paper plate with tomato sauce and cheese on it. That hurt me on another level
It's basically true
@@Markkxd Boy, those are fighting words
While having a fucking restaurant in New York. The disrespect
Is it just me or is the music at 9:33 for every episode just awesome? What a series man, wow.
OMG finally, I was wondering when there would be new episodes! I was beginning to think that maybe it was canceled and I'm pleased to see that isn't the case. And now I'm hungry for Pizza again, even though I had some last night.
There's always tonight.
Who knew Tom Brady's older brother, Emmett, was such an accomplished, deep-dish pizza maker?
But did New York Pizza Man and Chicago Pizza Man ever shake hands?
Yeah when Chicago Pizza Man shook hands on a bet that he lost
Shook hands then used sanitizer
Literally sat where he was at emmetts. Best deep dish pizza in manhattan hands down. It was beautiful and delicious
Finally i thought the series was over
Never!!
Good thing there is a season 2 to this
I feel like mark now has ptsd after all the not pizzas
Emmett's pizza looks great but that dood's greetings coming and going super sincere, "Welcome", "I hope so". Seems like a real good dood. Should translate into good pizza...
This entire video feels like a fever dream lol
Show at 2:44 threw me for a loop when I saw the Serbian money in the background
I literally made a weird surprised excited noise when I saw that there was a new episode of Really Dough. This show is amazing lol
Thanks Jimmy, keep spreading the love.
The beginning of the video when he said “I just wanted a big knife “ got me hooked and the editing 😂👌🏽 very funny ! I don’t even know mark but in the beginning when the dude asked him a question his response was 😂”Not today” “idk anymore Scott “ 😂😂 SUBSCRIBED!!!and liked ! @ 3:25 even got me more hooked bouta watch those episodes Oml Scott is something else 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Love Chicago deep dish pizza and I love NY pizza. I've never understood the sentiment that "NYC pizza you eat on the go. Chicago-style you have to sit down to eat." I eat deep dish on the go. If you can't, start lifting weights. You'll get there someday.
I’ve been to Chicago and New York. Both good pizzas but New York is the better pizza city. Although I enjoy Chicago pizza, New Haven pizza is generally better too overall
This is literally the same show as The Pizza Show just with different hosts. Very original.
30 minutes to cook a deep dish... ironically the same amount of time it takes to cook a casserole... 🤔🧐
Haha
Not ironically
Well, it's a casserole, what do you expect? :D
Most chicagoans don’t eat deep dish. We do some times, but it’s become more of a tourist thing. We most eat what’s considered Chicago style thin crust, or tavern style pizza. It’s thin enough to get a little crackery at the bottom, but thick enough to have a chewiness on the top part of the crust, which we then cut in squares instead of slices.
Chicago style is a pie a literal pie
If deep dish is a casserole, new york pizza is a flatbread with tomato sauce and cheese
Tomato quiche.
Pizza is cheese on toast.
The editing on these videos is superb.
LOVE this series. So excited to see it come back. Keep it up!
In Rome they eat it with a knife and fork. Pizza isn’t even sliced. An immigrant in America started to slice the pizza.
Yesssssssss. It’s FINALLY back!
and better than ever!!!
I go nuts over that McIntosh MAC4100 receiver every time I see it.
I like the pizza purest guy. I saw him on ugly delicious. The world needs his kind
I love deep-dish and I love NY style. But here in Chicago we only eat deep dish on special occasions or if we get a random craving for it. We eat tavern style like: Phil's, Freddie's and Lina's (RIP) in Bridgeport, Giovanni's and Sorrento's in Montclare, Palermo's on 63rd and Vito and Nick's in Ashburn. Southside pizza for life.
New Yorkers have a serious gatekeeping issue. Saying something "isnt pizza" even though their version isn't like neapolitan style either.
It resembles Neapolitan pizzia tho. Chicago deep dish adds unorthodox toppings, changes toping order greatly, and greatly changes the shape.
As I understand it, the early 1900s style of pizza was brought over from Italy and became popularized as New York style. New York just hasn't moved on, whereas Italy is on a different forefront of pizza. Two diverging paths, New York and Italy.
8BlackBart8 Italian immigrants that moved to places like New York and Chicago invented it, pizza is inspired by flatbreads. They were this really pizza like however mostly herbs and cheese with some sausage like toppings.
Azzury Street A the amount of BS coming from you is atrocious and an you’ve never seen a proper pizza of either have you? New York pizza is paper thin there are actual rules about how thick a Neapolitan pizza has to be prior to baking and after to be considered one. It’s thicker bread than a New York. Also don’t say I’m saying nonsense when you can’t even spell the damn name right.
Yes the pizza ends up being thicker than a New York style and what you listed are only the primary ingredients you’re a moron if you don’t think people put more on it. The wiki page you pulled that information from even says that. I’m also pretty sure I have a better idea in regards to how pizza cane about since my great grandmother was one of the Italians that cane to the states at the time, I have an actual recipe for what they originally had sitting in my pantry, screen off now will you little Timmy the adults are talking and don’t need children mouthing off.
Mark has a little unrelenting, gruff, Italian-American New Yorker manner, but he's sensible and willing to listen and compromise his stance. It's very refreshing to watch, as opposed to many other TH-cam videos I've seen of staunch, unyielding - yet differing - stances from tons of other Italian-American New Yorker pizza "elites."
Good pizza is good pizza. I'm from NY, so I'm kind of a snob. But I've found good pizza in a few states at least on the east coast and mid-west. Never on the west coast. I wish there was some places in NY that served some quality deep dish chicago style pizza or bar style thin pizza, or some detroit style even here.
will how would you describe a good pizza?
@@majopuerta It tastes good? lol It comes down to quality of ingredients and the mineral composition of the water, which is used to makes the dough. Any idiot can make a decent pizza with quality ingredients.
Mark has huge balls wearing a plain white-t and eating deep dish pizza with his hands
HERE FOR TIM AND DAVID...CANT WAIT TIL FEB 14TH!!!!!!
From a Chicagoan looks good. Next time I'm in New York I'm stopping by Emmets.
I’m curious to see what mark thinks of Detroit pizza
I love Mark's attittude towards pizza, a tru New Yorker
This "pizza" stuff sounds incredible, I gotta get my hands on some!!!
Really dough.
Highly recommend.
@Erin Weaver I'd do it for free!!
Noted!
At 3:49 it sounds like he is saying “You never eat pizza with a fuckin knife”
Yasss! Who edited thisss? SO GOOOOD!
Almost as good as the editing in $5 Brunch!!!
Killin' it!!
7:35
I live in Chicago my guy you just open the top, and grab a slice Lmao it’s what it’s the same box
deep dish is the bomb. I used to go to Ginos in Chicago, That stuff is the best. I dont care what people say, its fuckin good. I do love thin crust as well. Pizza in general is awesome.
TheLochs which Gino’s?
@@heythere9707 Rush St.
TheLochs I’ll check it out next time I’m down there
Love these videos. If I ever end up over there, I know where I'll be going for a slice or two
Chicago locals don't consider deep dish real Chicago style pizza. They eat thin crust tavern style. Deep dish is a novelty
That is just so untrue
@@joeglynn1201 Lifelong Chicagoan here, and it is absolutely true.
Dexter retired from murdering and opened a deep dish spot
I agree with mark at the beginning of all these episodes, It's not pizza.