The Shining Theory Iceberg Explained
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- Today we take a dive into The Shining Theory Iceberg...
Chapters:
Level 1:
0:00 - Intro
3:24 - Moonlanding
10:34 - Native Genocide
11:53 - Holocaust
Level 2:
14:15 - Theseus & The Minotaur
16:00 - The Overlook is Hell
18:23 - CIA Experiment
19:57 - You can watch the shining backwards
Level 3 :
20:53 - Danny opened the door
22:11 - Wendy Theory
24:30 - Jack is gay
28:13 - The Jack & Danny Theory
30:42 - The boner theory
Level 4:
31:44 - Kubrick in the clouds
33:20 - The "Dopey" theory
34:11 - The reincarnation theory
35:53 - All the Torrances can shine
37:54 - Stanley Kubrick killed Stephen King
Level 5:
39:14 - Danny is the real villain of the shining
39:59 - The Grady twins could shine
42:04 - Lloyd is Jack's father
43:13 - Jack's novel
43:50 - Grady's wife in the elevator
44:35 - Outro & Shout outs
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I was there and The Shining had a reputation as an epic movie and we were all terrified. Also, it made $47 million, well over the $19 mil investment, hardly a box office failure.
Yeah. I wasn't old enough to see it I. The theaters but these theories were bouncing about in the 80's and everyone else I knew was scared when they watched , the "failure" was that King purists didn't like what Kubri k did to it.
I don't know why people can't enjoy both.
@@GailDLWBecause people are lemmings and can't like what they're not approved to like I guess. And admitting that the Kubrick film was good means you're saying the book wasn't good enough.
I like both for different reasons. Kubrick's film more-so, but I still love King's works.
Can you imagine the US government asking Kubrick why it took 624 takes of Neil Armstrong taking his first step on the moon?
Using a TV camera mounted to the Lunar Module, yet, because only a Hasselblad stills camera was used on the lunar surface during Apollo 11.
😂
People seem to have trouble interpretting media sometimes. Just because there is a subtext that supports the theme doesn't mean the whole movie is secretly about that one thing. They forget to follow the metaphor through and to understand what it adds to the whole of the film. It's like a tapestry. One would be better served to ask "what does this story and the metaphor have in common?"
The Apollo 11 sweater may not be that much of a conscious choice as you think. If you think that kind of a specific sweater is weird, you probably didn't grow up in the 70s or 80s with a grandma that knits sweaters for her grandkids. I had one with a bear and one with a car on it and they looked exactly like Danny's sweater.
I mean, who wasn't a fan of NASA? Especially around that time. Not hard to see why kids would want to wear the apparel. Everyone wanted to be an astronaut.
True. It just seems so specific that it’s Apollo 11. Although given how important Apollo 11 was, I guess it does kinda make sense.
@@IntotheDepths511 I find the theory interesting, and I wouldn't put it past the U.S government doing something like that, but I gotta admit, out of all the theories I've heard, this is embarrassingly my first time hearing the "Kubrick helped fake the moon landing" one 😂
There is no doubt it was a conscious decision. Kubrick was particular about every thing in the frame of every shot in all of his films, the mise-en-scene. The Apollo 11 sweater was specifically chosen for a reason, it was Kubrick's decision.
You’re all forgetting something very important about this scene…not only is he wearing a sweater, but he’s also playing with toy cars on the floor pattern which almost exactly resembles the launch pads and the roads used to carry the rocket to the pad. You may be able to call one a coincidence, but both together in a Kubrick film cannot be coincidence. Also, Danny is standing in the middle of the “launch pad” and stands up which you then see the Apollo rocket “lifting off”. After this, he flies to room 247 in which the tag says No Room which can be re arranged to create “moon room”. Current science at the time claimed the moon was 247,000 miles from the earth, hence the 247.
I know everything I just said is in the documentary, but idk how you all can talk about this like it’s a coincidence so I thought I’d remind you…
Steven king looks like the jim carrey grinch
lol! Brutal☠️
He has such a caveman/ ape like shaped skull
Take another look at the Jack's Novel theory. It explains why Kubrick purposely put continuity errors - because sometimes we're watching real life Jack and sometimes we're watching his character in his book. The real Jack gets inspiration from the hotel and it's history for the character Jack and all the ghosts. It also explains the discrepancy in Grady's first name. Dismissing the theory in 30 seconds and treating it as more out there than Kubrick in the clouds is ridiculous. it's a great video in that it brings together some of the wildest theories, but as for the Jack's Novel theory, you're going to want to revise it.
The Jack's Novel theory also explains how Jack got out of the storeroom. It's not far-fetched as it is integral to the structure of the movie. Jack is there to write a novel and that's exactly what he does. Kubrick blended it well enough that Rob Ager didn't even mention the theory in his examination of how Jack escaped the storeroom. The answer is simple. The ghost let him out. The ghosts were real in his novel. The rest of the explanations he presented were grasping at straws from someone who completely whiffed on the real answer. We both know the quality of work that Rob Ager does, so you know you're in good company. But take another look and it will change your mind pretty quickly.
Barry Lyndon was not boring. I don’t think Kubrick was bored with it either. This guy has a tendency to impose his own ideas, for what they’re worth, upon other people and things. BL is widely considered a masterpiece along with his other films. Stick to what you know, whatever that is.
In My opinion Barry Lyndon was the most Kubrickian Stanley Kubrick film. An absolute masterpiece
I think it's extremely underrated.
There were so many stupid things said in this video that it was hard to remember them all. The creator of this video is so quick to dismiss anything that he doesn't agree with or understand fully. There is a phrase "the suspension of disbelief", to allow a 50 ft ape to be a character in King Kong and allow a story to be told.
Great movies like BL are a litmus test for having or not having a palette for great movies, this video creator lacks the cinema taste buds to be able to push the plate away. I however look forward to his video on the greatness of "Gigli"...
Dick Hallorran survived pennywise in IT. He had enough shine to be able to survive. Dick was a gunslinger.
I dunno, it sure seems sus that 2001: A Space Odyssey WASN'T an exploration for "faking the moon landing" ...
I have a couple ideas about that Playgirl. Jack is a writer, so it could be that he either has an article in there or was genuinely checking it out for some kind of research purpose. Could also be that they decided on the fly that they wanted him to be reading something, for whatever reason a Playgirl was the most convenient thing at hand, and they figured that it would be far away enough and out of focus enough that no one would notice.
Stephen King had some stories published in either Playboy or Playgirl (or both).
Kubrick does with intent.
@@zackmnr19 💯
That’s possible, but quite a reach. How common is playgirl compared to say Newsweek or cosmo or whatever ?
2:13
This is very subjective. Especially adding in that caveat, Canon to "Kubrick's" the shining, and especially when referring to what the story meant. Specifically referring to the artist who adapted a story into a VERY different story, one that he never elaborated on, you cannot say doctor sleep is definitively Canon to Kubrick vision, as Kubrick is dead, and nobody working on that movie could possibly know what Kubrick actually intended for the story.
Doctor sleep isn't a Kubrick story or a king story. It's a Flanagan story, attempting to tie the universe of Kubricks the shining with kings original novel, follwing kings novel and sequel more tightly, which was never Kubrick's original intention.
It would be one thing if we were talking about a larger franchise like the mcu, one that's a grand story with many artists and only a few long running story's without much mystery or meaning, but when discussing the meaning of a singular arthouse film from 1980, calling a sequel without any of the original work's creators on board with a completely different intent almost 40 years later "canon", and suggesting that it answers anything at all, is completely disingenuous
I don't think you can call it disingenuous at all, as creating a bridge between the movie and the book while also serving as a sequel to the movie is Doctor Sleep's intended purpose. Like, that's what it is. Maybe creating a sequel years after the original creator has passed away, without knowing their full intentions for their creation, could be considered bad taste, and I'm not arguing that it isn't. But if we're talking about The Shining, a property that Stephen King created, that Kubrick then morphed into his own vision without King's blessings/input, I would say it's fair game.
I guess I'd put it like this: Terminators 3 through Genysis were Canon until James Cameron said they weren't. Kubrick isn't going to get that chance, so it's up to the viewer whether or not they think it counts. And I don't think there's anything disingenuous about that
@@Beeyo176 okay, but if I was talking about the meanings behind "James Cameron's" Terminator, I wouldn't be talking about movies made after James Cameron left.
I also mentioned I wasn't talking about franchise films. There's a huge difference between continuing a blockbuster saga about robots and time travel with a world and story all well established, and making a sequel to a single movie 40 years later, long after the creators death, that has been discussed, dissected, theorized, and speculated about, then making a movie that claims to answer all of those questions,,, and then claiming that's "canon" just because the rights to the original movie are still with the same company that distributed it, and that company says its canon.
I'm right there with ya. Kubrick's film stands alone as far as I'm concerned. It needs no more or no less.
Agreed that it can't truly be "canon" to Kubrick's vision with the Shining, for reasons you stated. Yet saying that the movie Doctor Sleep doesn't answer any questions, is wrong. Not sure that's up to interpretation. It answers certain questions parallel to the way the book Doctor Sleep helped answer questions to The Shining (if you've read them). Both movies go off of the source material, both sequels answer questions. Does it answer all of Kubrick's creative mysteries? No. Does it answer questions from his movie? Yes. I just certainly wouldn't say it's disingenuous.
I might be off topic here, but after reading Dr. Sleep, and reading it was a sequel to the shining, i was very disappointed. If King didn't use Danny's name, it would have been an entirely didn't book with no connection to the Shining. In the shining, there was no mention of the group of the true knots or whatever they were called. Even in the book, the shining, Dr sleep had no real connection to that book except the "main character" being Danny. Big deal, he was an older guy, with a cat, who could predict and help people into their deaths...
I was hoping for a real sequel. Who were the people in the hotel. Etc. Decent book, but not a sequel in my mind.
There is another bear everyone misses...it's at 19:42 , as Danny is riding his Big Wheel, to his right as he goes down the hall, there is a bush in the planter that looks like a bear with its paws up.
To the Indian theory: In "The Outlaw Josey Wales" soldiers wore red pants and were called 'red legs', Ullman is wearing red pants. Jack is also wearing a 'red coat'.
The Danny opening the pantry door makes sense because not only is Danny seeing blood, he's writing Redrum, but the girls were also killed and they tell Danny he'll be with them forever. They may have put Danny in a trance to unlock the door. Jack may not be in his full killing rage yet with Danny running off after unlocking the door (another maze foreshadowing).
The Kubrick doesn't make mistakes idea is in a sense is true, he did make mistakes (helicopter shadow in the opening scene) but to think directors do not intentionally dress sets or remove items is dismissed to fit your opinion and video. Kubrick intentionally made sets for his travel reasons but also for the control he liked to have which meant a greater control of his actors, crew, everyone. Nolan for example is VERY deliberate with his sets. Chairs disappearing, the giant maze not being seen in the helicopter shot in the beginning, bear rugs, cartoon stickers are very deliberate. Wendy herself is dressed like the Goofy toy in Danny's room, guess that's another coincidence? I think not. Why does the typewriter change colors in the movie if it wasn't intentional, the paper changing colors? What about the cigarette in the ashtray? Wendy smokes, we don't ever see Jack smoking. The Marlboro pack is on the left side of the typewriter and the cigarette is as if someone was where Wendy was when Jack reprimanded her and has a very long ash as Wendy had in the therapist scene (a famous meme was made about that extra long ash). The twins were actually visiting the set and sparked Kubrick's interest in that idea so once again, thoughts about set or around the set can in a masters hand...become iconic.
The Playgirl and bear imagery go hand in hand with incest as do bears in the undertones of child molestation/abduction in "Eyes Wide Shut".
The blood from the elevator scene was shot in miniature and is done so well that everyone believes it is scaled to actual size. What people see is the reflections from the lights and the sets reflections that make for a weird looking figure as the blood pours out.
Nice video man. Breaking the video up into segments really makes the video seem more thorough than your older breakdowns. Should definitely do more iceberg videos, i loved it.
I think the whole 'jack is gay' was a reference to Jack's creepy relationship with his own father. It's implied his father molested him and that despite feeling bad for his mother when his father started randomly beating her he lost respect for her because she never stood up to him or left him even when she had the chance. In the movie they made wendy more like his mother than the strong woman in the book and i think Kubrick wanted to make jack abuse danny because he didn't want to reference Jack's father
Is this from the book?
The Shining is my favorite horror movie. Phenomenal video dude!
Been waiting for this one
Now, I would believe that Kubrick had some intention with continuity error to simple unnerve the audience subconsciously. No really big reason just to confuse the audience and cause them to be uncomfortable
Oh great! Another Rob Ager video about the Shining.....oh
"Koobrick's 'The ShininG'"
What?
Pretty sure that's what TH-cam was invented for... you know, for people to share videos on topics they're passionate about. Could be wrong, but I don't think so.
Lol, I appreciate that one
Hahaha Rob is great.
Excellent vid! I could watch hours of this stuff...😁😁👍👍
Need some more iceberg videos for sure 🔥
41:03 Danny is being strangled. We just can't see the hands doing it.
Just as we shouldn't take all continuity errors as significant and intended by Kubrick, we shouldn't reject them all. Some are intentional, if only because the characters themselves comment on them (see tom cruise, who says: not everything is black or white, at the very moment when a black telephone appears on his bedside table, which was white before...).
The storage door being the first physical manisfestion (potentially) of spirits is not technically true.
The implication of Danny's ripped sweater is that he was assualted by the spirits.
Mr. Halloran's emphatic warning to stay out of room 237 implies the potential for harm, my take has always been physical harm.
The first drink Jack drinks.....
@@drbongorama truth, well played
Well, if you were a boomer and you spent your life in the occult section of the library, you would know that there was a Research Society in England that studied ghosts and they found that ghosts did not cause physical harm to people. And Hallorann tells Danny that the ghosts are just like pictures in a book, which means the same thing, they can't hurt you. So, that, to me, leaves it open that maybe Danny did, in fact, do it to himself or maybe there is someone else in the hotel. And maybe Danny opened the door (as suggested in Room 237).
@hermanhale9258 look how long you're convoluted idea took to type? And the length of the bow needed
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@@drbongorama Ten inches.
I actually remember Alex Hirsch using that theory in gravity falls. Saying that Bill cipher wanted him to convince NASA to make a portal for him. But when that fail he gave him so many bad nightmares it actually helped his film career
What an amazing video essay!!! Subscribed!! One theory that makes just as much sense, in my opinion, as the Indigenous genocide theory is the marriage theory. It goes something like this... This is a film about marriage, about men living through the aftermath of second-wave feminism and finding it homicidally hard to do. The ghosts of generations of men in the past call to Jack to take the power back, take it with force and very toxic masculinity if you have to, but get that power back from the feminists, from African Americans, from everyone who "should" in their eyes be beneath him. White man's burden and all. Under this theory, any reference to Indigenous genocide is there to surround Jack with a cultural memory of what "real" men do, they kill, they take what's theirs and so on. The Overlook represents the isolation and pressure of the suburbs, of marriage, of expectations on a male provider to be all work and no play anymore, no drinking, no affairs, but no sex from your wife either. You're in a world where you are reduced to menial work while women (like your wife the female physician who examines Danny) have the authority to tell you you're a bad father and need to stop drinking. If you accidentally get a girl pregnant (like Jack says he did with Wendy) that's it, your stuck in an cycle of isolation and pressure that never ends and it drives men insane. And the woman in the bathtub...that's the trick of marriage in a nutshell, she's all beautiful at first but she ages, grows hideous to you (literally or just psychologically), but your stuck anyway. It's almost like a rationalization for, or perhaps just an explanation of, toxic masculinity (excuse the anachronism). Just thought I'd put this here in the off chance you happen to see it. And OMG I LOVE YOUR WORK!!! By the way, I'm a woman. I subscribe to none of this ideology, but it IS indeed an interesting and coherent theory 🙂
Hahahahaha. Good one.
I have spent hours looking at those clouds. Glad that it isn’t just me that can’t see it!
Good job 🎉❤
Thanks for making and posting. Bill Watson is one of my favourite characters but most of his lines have been cut out in the TV version. He says more during the interview in the cinema release version.
Fine.
What?
This was a very good video, also you should watch Meet The Feebles, very Dark and has some huge facts around the production
I think you have it all wrong regarding Hallorann. He has the shining but it's low power with him. He can see things in the hotel but that's it. How do we know this? For one, Danny reminds himself that Hallorann told him that things in the hotel are "not real, like pictures in a book". Also, Grady tells Jack that his son is attempting to bring an outside party into it. Danny used his power to summon Hallorann. Hallorann did not have the power to ask Danny if he's alright. Finally, when Hallorann arrives at the hotel his power doesn't help him at all. He's just not anywhere near as powerful as Danny. If you see the shining ability as a power source for the ghosts, then you will understand why the level of shining ability a person has makes all the difference. So not only would the hotel not want to absorb Hallorann in particular, it wouldn't have the power to do so since Hallorann's shining is so weak.
lol this is in my recommend; and imma come back and watch it!
20:50 Because Danny was always watching Road Runner outsmart Coyote every which way in the cartoons, some folks theorize that he purposely let Jack out of the pantry to lure him into the hedge maze. We don't see Danny "hiding" in the metal cart in the hallway, but bravely jumping out of it - right in front of Jack - and dashing around the corner to bait him into giving chase... right out into the cold to be trapped.
Yeah there’s a theory called the Looney Tunes theory that kinda says the same thing. There just wasn’t much to it so I didn’t add it here.
My all time favorite film. And I love the fact people are still making videos on it. Isn’t this one of the most studied films in history?
I really think it is, especially for this age. Like all of Kubrick's films it has that certain something that makes you know there's much more beneath the surface
One of them yes. Something like Citizen Kane has probably been studied more tho.
I hate media theories...as far they are about cartoons or straight forward/explicitly stablished stuff.
So this is a breath of fresh air,given how ambiguous this movie can be
the doc ROOM 237 is great, I had a great time watching it (wish I could've experienced the Forwards and Backwards _thing_ but alas)
the thing is.. you just can't win with conspiracy nuts
The number '237' came to be because the hotel told Kubrick to change it from 217. Management thought people would never book the room after the movie got popular.
found the NPC
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This is the popular theory but there’s no solid proof that the Timberline Lodge ever asked Kubrick to change the room number.
@@IntotheDepths511 No, that's a fact.
DR. Sleep is a stand alone 100%
And it sucks
Agree to disagree. I like Doctor Sleep a lot.
@@IntotheDepths511 I may challenge myself to give it another go one of these day though. Xo
I really like The Shinning film.
For long stretches very little happens. It’s more of an ominous atmosphere and deep feelings of unease. I think that’s why so so many people have added their own backstory and theories. It’s almost just a frame that you can hang your own print inside of. Just my theory.
The lore of how TH-camrs censers words is great
I love the Kubrik and King versions of the Shining, as well as the original book. imo Kubrik's hedgemaze is a reference to the many references to Alice in Wonderland in the novel, and I think an argument could be made that the Playgirl is a reference to the white rabbit (could Jack be the White Rabbit, or the Mad Hatter? Cheshire grin?). The mallet in King's tv version and novel was a reference to the queen playing croquet in Wonderland, I think a really interesting theory could be made drawing parallels between Wonderland and the Overlook; of course the outfits on the twins are replications of Alice's classic white and blue dress, and the girls being twins rather than sisters of different ages (as in the novel) could be Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dum. So many references to time that I think could form an interesting theory.
Also, in the deleted scenes from King's TV version, Grady's hand is shown to be the one who opened the door for Jake. I know Kubrik wasn't faithful to the novel and the TV version came later, but I think Grady is the most likely to have opened the door. Great video, thanks for sharing.
I can't imagine Jack Nicholson in 1980 allowing a director to film him reading Playgirl Magazine unless it were pertinent to the story. I think over time, since his films took forever to make, Kubrick just kept adding more and more details to maybe give people in the future something new to figure out or ponder. I mean back in the day could you even tell which magazine that was on the screen? Probably lots of little pranks and joke he was pulling on viewers. Some of this stuff is really odd though, like the room number and Ullmen looking like JFK with the eagle and flag etc. The abuse stuff and baphomet stuff is creepy. This is the man who made Eyes Wide Shut..so he was probably trying to kinda hint at the industry he was part of. Great video.
fun fact astronauts did not bring Tang to the Moon with them
More fun: Apollo lunar surface EVAs used TV cameras. Not movie film.
Probs because they never went.
@@jamietingey7498 You're not smart. There were nine lunar missions with six landing sites--all confirmed by lunar orbital photography and nations such as India, China, Japan, Russia ... oh, and about 50 years of continuous published scientific study of the Apollo lunar samples return. Welcome to reality, n00b 2 the planet
@@jamietingey7498 There were nine lunar missions with six landing sites--all confirmed by lunar orbital photography and nations such as India, China, Japan, Russia ... oh, and about 50 years of continuous published scientific study of the Apollo lunar samples return. Welcome to reality, n00b 2 the planet
@@jamietingey7498 There were nine lunar missions with six landing sites--all confirmed by lunar orbital photography and nations such as India, China, Japan, Russia ... oh, and about 50 years of continuous published scientific study of the Apollo lunar samples return. Welcome to reality, n00b
Withdrawal symptoms can be intense. Jack irrational behaviour can be contributed to that to a degree. It was shown Danny in sequel used alcohol to dull the shine. It could indicate that Jack alcoholism might be related to him having shine as well.
Numbing the pain of trauma happens more than I think people are willing to admit. Trauma can be haunting until it’s properly coped with.
So we are doing iceberg videos now? Nice👍
Maybe once in a while. I don’t really have plans for any more. It’s just something I thought would be fun to do.
Yes, because explaining shit makes everything more interesting and spooky. So did Dr. Sleep explain how the shining is actually midichlorians in Danny's blood stream? Sounds like a great idea for a movie.
I always figured that wendys hallucinations was her way of using the shine. Like not actually using it but just having it there
Another interesting thing to me at least is the fact that 'Jack' types A11 for ALL, using 1's instead of lower case L's.. Apollo11.
I completely missed that. But that’s interesting.
About the door opening, and the idea the house hasnt "physically manifested" yet.
What about the first drink in the Golden room? Jack drinks it, its real.
Well when Wendy walks in there’s no alcohol in the glass. Who’s to say it wasn’t a delusion and Jack was sipping at the air.
@IntotheDepths511 Wendy doesn't "see" until much later. He held the glass, and tasted the alcohol, hence the face he makes, the same face he makes when frozen. Cmon man, bring more than that
@@drbongoramaExactly, he's taking a fictional story and applying a boring reality to any argument. It's a story, a horror story with fantastical elements to it. I suppose shining isn't true to the story either! "Well, I dont know...how could a kid and a guy at the hotel have conversations without actually talking. No, I think Danny is just having a sugar rush from something he ate but that we didnt see..."
39:02 The Torrence’s car was red in the book, Kubrick way of differentiating between the movie and book
The first time u watched The Shining, I knew nothing of any theories, and I was instantly enthralled.
The fact it was initially, universally panned, is crazy to me. I guess the average movie, at that time, were very...different?
I think Kubrick's The Shining is much different than King's and i wouldn't consider any sequel done without his say so to be canon. That world was Kubrick's teams vision and it was crafted for that one film, and a later hollywood sequel only serves to tarnish it's mystique in my opinion
My two cents anyway
Completely agree. People argue that it was a sequel but how so? It was made by different people who may or may not have had any more insight into Kubrick’s vision than anyone else. Nothing against it but it is not valid to say it was a genuine sequel to the first film.
Stephen King hated the Kubrick movie adaptation! I'm understand why. The book is much more nuanced and Jack Nickelson and Shelly Duvall were miscast.
@@notbill08 time for your sippy cup and Graham crackers.
the 237 doc really reached for anything.
Surprised you didnt incude the subliminal SHONES (just youtube it), those blew my mind because you cant unhear them and theyre so obviously a looped audio track of kubrick whispering a word with the reverb cranked up, and its used tons of times in the film.
Pretty sure I was told there is a hotel in Yosemite that inspired the carpet design and you can still go see the original carpeting in the hotel.
The Ahwahnee is supposedly where King stayed when he started formulating the idea of the story.
I’m actually shitting myself over the gay theory and the way you talked about the Kubrick in the clouds theory 😂
Those clouds ruined my day lol
We need this for eyes wide shut
I’m not sure there are that many theories for Eyes Wide Shut. I could be wrong though. I haven’t really looked into it.
they found a second door in the pantry 21:59 u can see the doorframe behind the shelves, someone found it at the beggining of the film during the tour the get out from that door.
Dopey theory is interesting
The number 42 is unlikely an accident. Not counting the claim there are 42 cars in the parking lot, the weakest element of the theory, 42 still comes up multiple times: The Summer of 42, Danny's shirt, news anchors on TV talking about "$42 million," Room 237 (2 x 3 x 7 = 42). Why 42? A reasonable explanation I've seen is that Kubrick was an avid listener to BBC Radio 4, which debuted Douglas Adams' Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy in 1978. According to the story, which aired in March 1978 on the episode titled "Fit the Fourth," the answer to the Ultimate question is 42. It's a cinematic non sequitur based on a literary one? It creates mystery and invites interpretations. But ultimately, it's a trick of movie magic.
One thing I have not seen anyone mention is the fact that Kubrick did not deem the 144min (one in video) Shining as the definitive version, rather the 119min one; which removes a handful of the scenes that back up these theories. Of course, most of these theories aren’t true at all, but knowing that this wasn’t really the “official” version just kinda backs that up.
Oh and on the why did the house leave Halloran alone? Well, in the bathroom scene the house, even though Halloran has worked there for years, is only refered too as a racial slur. Given the make up of the party crowd in the Golden room, maybe the house was racist?
I see Kubrick's entire head. To the left of the first shot before you zoomed in. I couldn't see it when you superimposed the images. And I couldn't see it on the zoom in. But from The wider shot yes. To the bottom and to the left. BTW, I like the Wendy Theroy. Been way down the rabbit hole on that one over the last few years.
43:53 Above the volume icon in the clouds. The blue is darker here than before, the big blue patch makes a kind of pudding bowl haircut, face below. I think he doctored it.
Oh, yeah, I went back to the first shot after Kubrick in the Clouds. It's there, too. In this video, anyway.
Why don’t we just go back to the moon to put the conspiracy theories to rest?
Pretty sure it costs many many billions of dollars. Too expensive just to prove a moot point to you.
@@Trash2000s war is more important I guess. We have trillions for that.
The Apollo lunar landing sites have all been photographed in detail since the late 2000s. The Artemis program conducted a three-week uncrewed test mission to the Moon in 2023 and four astronauts will conduct a lunar orbital test mission in 2024-25.
@@RideAcrossTheRiver awesome! The core of my question is why not go build something on the moon and have a base camp there? There’s got to be some value in that.
@@BatmanBoss That's the plan, yes.
My theory is that it's an adaptation of King's novel. So that if you watch it, you get to find out what happens in the book, without the arseache of having to read it, and picture it in your own head.
The homosexual theory could explain why the summer caretaker is staring at Jack with such disdain. There really is no reason for Jack to be looking at a Playgirl magazine, even if for some reason it was just left in the lobby, it would have been uncommon at the time for someone to be openly homosexual. Partaking in light pornography in public is not socially acceptable, whether hetero or homo, and would be a very odd thing to do at a job interview. There probably is something to be read into with that choice of prop.
21:15 The spirits also physically interact with Danny when he gets bruised in room 237.
21:12 you say "but other than this one instance we haven't seen any evidence that the spirits can interact with the world". WRONG!!! We clearly see Jack interacting (kissing and touching) physically with the lady in the bathtub.
Well idk. I mean who’s to say that wasn’t a delusion? Maybe Jack was kissing the air. And yes to be fair Danny did get all scratched up. But he could’ve done it himself while sleepwalking. If the ghosts did open the door. That would be the real definitive first time they physically interacted with the world.
@@IntotheDepths511 So no physical interactions with ghosts/apparitions took place at the hotel at all? You've just eliminated the entire history of the hotel. Maybe just with "this" family, even though that would be suspect because Grady does bump into Jack, there is a reaction from both. Grady physically cleans Jack's clothes so why not the woman in the room, why not an obvious physical assault on Danny? Wendy says that Danny told her about someone, not Jack, got a hold of him. Your interpretation makes the gift/curse of shining just a big whatever and a red herring.
9:05 also if you make the word moon, where does the r go? Or what about room and the n? You can’t just get rid of letters!
I counted 43 vehicles, theres some kind of truck near the lone tree on the right. in the back near the building
Are you counting the snowcat as well? Because that’s not supposed to be counted there.
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Whats missing from abbey rd?
32:45 Honestly, i can see a face there. It's smaller than when you put his face there. I also won't say it's purpeseful and it's too vague to really look like any perso (Kubrick) in particular. This is probably just us humans natural inclination of seeing faces in things.
Honestly you should read Dr Sleep, the movie doesn't do the book any justice.
I'd say most fans would say Dr Sleep is an acceptable sequel..it could've been worse I guess lol
@@biglove1941 the movie isn't terrible but the book is where it's at. I feel the movie couldn't show how bad The Hat and her crew were but that's common with King villians
Haven’t gotten around to it yet. But I am making a way through all of Kings works
12:17 Look at the eagle over the name...
I see it!
There 's also something about reading too much into it. Some theories ok but too much is too much
Danny Larson: "The hotel tried to kill me! The hotel tried to kill me! The hotel tried to kill me!"
Kubrick hired a mythology scholar who helped him to hash out the original script, so ideas such as the minotaur in the labryinth may have come from her.
I didn’t know that. That’s very interesting though.
I think Kubrick heard the conspiracy theories and bought into it to boost his mystique and ego!
Exactly. Kubrick was poking fun at conspiracy granolae.
It is simple to me Kubrick is a genius
This is practically copy and pasting Room 237…
Very curious to see how this is gonna turn out.
Hope you like it!
Legendary work my friend@@IntotheDepths511
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15:05
Oh god jumpscare Vincent D'Onofrio.
WHEN I WAS A BOY
WHEN I WAS A BOY
Thats probably an average. At its farthest the moon is 252,088 miles, at its closest, the moon is 225,623 miles.
Is it me or is that a face in the lower left side-right above the mountains???
The hitchhikers guide to the galaxy? 42?
I think the Playgirl connection is too on the nose. Definitely just a cheeky, rare gag and nod to the source material.
Cooking with gas about him being sexually curious though. I believe it represents less forelorned homosexual desires on Jack’s part, but something more fluid; curiosity of what the other side could be like. Almost playful with the idea almost simply because he grows to despise his wife - a resentment he likely always carried to a certain extent rapidly exacerbated by instigating spirits.
Maybe Kubrick is a prophet and predicted that men will become so misogynistic and red pilled that they’ll start finding women ugly and admiring men…but now I’m just yapping
Excellent video btw subbed
Some compelling theories. If none are true they're at least fun and entertaining
Dr Sleep is only cannon to the book. Pretty sure Spielberg and Kubrick agree the movie is not the book
15:06 -- ??? Full Metal Jacket was released in 1987.
I didn’t say it wasn’t. I said it just featured the Kubrick Stare
@@IntotheDepths511 You said "...if the same facial expression WASN'T ALREADY DONE in movies like A Clockwork Orange and Full Metal Jacket," at 15:06. Full Metal Jacket is a later movie than The Shining. So The Kubrick Stare could not have "already been done" in FMJ.
I literally just meant that the facial expression was done in other movies. I didn’t mean to imply that fmj came out before The Shining. Remember that part was talking about a theory that came out after both movies. It’s a misuse of a word. Is it really that big of a deal? People were debating on if Jack face was meant to look like a Minotaur. And I made the point that the same facial expression is in other Kubrick films. It’s one word I used out of place lol. People get upset over the silliest things.
The windy theory can be explained by Kubrick making Shelley Duvall do her scean over and over again. That can lead to more continuity errors with her specially.
That’s true. She went through hell on that movie.
Doctor Sleep is a great movie actually. Surprisingly good!
I love myself but apparently we’re in the minority.
Im glad you point out that Kubrick was a human and capable of error. We tend to mythologize our heros, and he is legendary. But he's still fully capable of screwing up.
Yup! Some people hella dickride Kubrick.
Yes, any director is capable and they do make mistakes (the famous helicopter shadow for the beginning sequence), but to merely toss aside any change that subliminally creates oddity or builds on a character (even a hotel) as continuity error, makes the video creator seem petty and without imagination. And, directors will use takes with errors in them, if in the editing room, the best take that had the best performance, had an error(s) in it, so be it. For you to suggest that Kubrick is "still fully capable of screwing up" implies you know film and can list every mistake Kubrick has ever made or is this jealousy on your part as well?
Loved the video, thanks for making it! One quick note, take it or leave it. You don't have to explain why you don't believe in this theory or that theory. It distracts from the purpose of these iceberg videos, which is exploring perspectives and theories. Just present whatever evidence exists and move on. The editorial comments takes you out of the flow of trying to get into the headspace of the people who have come up with these (often insane) theories. Thanks again!
Not going to lie I sorta went back and forth on including my comments on each theory or not. My original script I went a lot more in depth with my explanation. I agree. I should’ve taken them out. If I do another iceberg, I won’t do that again.
last couple of years? cmon dude
The Wendy Theory doesn't rely on Stanley Kubrick being incapable of making mistakes. They turned the pool table 180 degrees but left it in the same place. In a later scene, the maze map is moved about 100 feet down and around 50 feet in forward compared to where it is during to another, including the big, heavy, wooden stand that was around 9 or 10 feet tall. Why would that be done except to convey a difference?
The Shining is The Amityville Horror
Every person sees different ghost or demons
The Amityville Horror answers more questions of the shining..watch The Amityville Horror then watch then the shining then watch The Amityville Horror then so on
I like the one where.shelly is the crazy one
Theres a suggestion that all Kubrick cared about was filming and the actors hitting their lines. This isnt true. Kubrick was incredibly aware and involved with set design.
I lowkey see a face in the clouds just not at the place you imposed him on
Regarding the faked moon landing,Id suggest people read Dave McGowan's "Wagging The Moon Doggie". He completely dismantles any credibility of that event
There were nine lunar missions with six landing missions. Nations around the world tracked Apollo missions and even amateurs tracked them. Studies of lunar sample returns began fifty years ago and continue to be published today. Authors cannot dismantle reality.
I see the eggman from sonic in the clouds does that count
lol well technically not but I guess it’s something lol
@@IntotheDepths511 I definitely don't see kubrick 😂
I think the overlook kills people who have the shining in some way. Like the building is evil and 'eating' people.
That’s pretty much how the Overlook is explained to work in Doctor Sleep