They just need to sell them directly through the website and have customers pay for delivery. I’d rather pay a few thousand for delivery then have to battle with a dealership and outbid somebody and pay a crazy markup.
@@johncena-hq1ti - it’s the fact they have to give the franchisees an opportunity to sell all of the vehicles their manufacturer produces. It allows for competition. Unfortunately they can ask more than MSRP. Manufacturers”SUGGESTED” Retail Pricing. I’m not saying it’s right, but no one complained when buying cars or trucks that were discounted up to $20,000 per vehicle. No one offered to pay MSRP **THEN**. 😂😂😂😂😂. I want, I want, I want,,,,,,,,. Failing to recognize that, especially in the USA, you live in a Capitalist society. I don’t like the markups over MSRP and have blacklisted all dealerships that have sold for more than MSRP. A friend owns a Ford and now a Stellantis dealership. He refuses to charge more than MSRP because he said MSRP for every vehicle sold is a dream!!! There’s a second acquainted in another city with. Chevy/Cadillac dealership that also has that same philosophy. I’m pretty much set!! 😂😂.
@@TheTW13 ford's doing that soon idk if its 2035 or sooner but I know ford's going for the delivery stuff mainly for the shit stain dealers that go over sticker with bs markups not all together
The two dealers near me straight up said 25k mark up and the other said they were going to have a bidding war. Dealerships are like lawyers. The ABSOLUTE WORST of humanity lol
@@newedgesteve8266 makes me sick. It's like rich people privilege lol. The audacity of these people to make more money then the rest of us. Lol I'm just kidding. I'd take out a second mortgage if it was 100k but that wouldn't happen in my life time that's for sure
@Bored Panduh 😂😂😂 yeah it's gotta be a great feeling to afford that without batting an eye props to them! But yeah I don't agree with that much of a markup it does put it out of price range for many of us
Just sell directly to customers the way Tesla does. After dealership mark ups and decades of shady practices, not as many tears will be shed when dealerships are gone.
@@tlr-nut7275 it’s illegal for a business to trade with a customer directly? Sounds like a “give me” to dealerships in certain states. Tesla can sell directly in many states. I know my home state of Texas doesn’t allow it because our legislature is a puppet to select industries.
Called three dealers today, one wanted 50K over MSRP, the other 75K, and the last one $125K over MSRP... The prioritizing MSRP orders is not working...
I've dealt with 45 dealerships over the last week trying to get a Demon 170 as a serious buyer. I've been told by most dealerships that they want 150K over sticker for their allocation. Dodge has screwed the pooch here, and I'm very disappointed. I was excited to own a Demon, but Dodge's greed has totally killed my excitement.
same here, a moper fan, like the super stock more rare and the r/t wide body 6 speed shaker hood , ones id buy for the same price with the$150,000 markup, 3000 is that rare? 150 ever built .1of 3 in this color one of 50 with these opts, one thing all /most cars are special orders for the org owner. being a org owner as time goes one is priceless and can say I only paid x for mine new
What I like about this car is that it doesn’t need much aftermarket stuff to make it fast. It comes faster than anything else from the factory. You’ll blow cars that cost three times as much away
On the drag strip most definitely. Let’s be honest most will be doing most of there racing on the street where they shouldn’t even attempt a dig. I imagine this would be a roll racing monster from factory though
@@LegioIII. Never honestly. It still has power, but those cars extremely limited. Kind of dream-cars, so people will not take them neither to drag not to circuit racing, only in city, like in games.
No Markup.... TOTALLY NOT TRUE... I called Avondale Dodge in AZ this morning where I purchased my 2018 Demon and they said that they had 8 available but the price was $100,000.00 OVER MSRP.. The bad part is that if it wasn't for people like me and my friends, they would not even have the allocation that they do.
Original Demon owner here also, and all dealers in my area have insane markups or auctions. For that ADM I am passing on this 1/2 wide body send off of the Demon Tim K promised me he "would never make again."
@@HemiBurns I agree, Dodge lied to us back in 2018.... This is how Dodge will loose their fan base. I still have every Dodge I have ever purchased but it looks like I will not be getting a 170. Do you think that there will be a class action suit against Dodge for releasing another Demon after they stated that they would not. If there is count me in...
Well they technically renamed it by adding 170 to the name. So who knows if their lawyers told them they can get away with it by doing that. Either way it's still a lie in the customers eye
The Demon has already tripled its value in 5 years. And this will be the last ICE ever made in a challenger. And on top of that it will always be the fastest production ICE vehicle ever built.
@@Justin-qi6fz this will go up but not much, it's not aesthetically pleasing, though stupid to me, I heard plenty about "it has half a widebody" and how "the interior and exterior hasn't changed in almost a decade" . . . I think most people would rather just tune the ones they have already (if it's not getting stolen rn)
First day I got locked in on an allocation for $7,500 over MSRP. Then the bidding wars started everywhere else and my dealer called me and cancelled my order. They said they “now have an issue with their allocation” 😕
Wish they were able to keep these cars in production for a longer time they should be able to have an Ev and also have the demons side-by-side but the government sucks
@@richardbutton1179 You are correct. They are doing away with the HellCat/Hemi engine. The new Challengers and Chargers with be using different variations of the Hurricane engine.
I bought the first demon and paid 25k over and on my paper we said we paid Msrp to get the car built quicker. It still took a while to get and this isn’t the first time they are trying to stop mark ups. It’s not gonna work.
There is a lot that was said here that is hard to believe. A lot of marketing fluff to make people WANT it super bad to the point of mortgaging their homes. lol (I am not 1 of those people) Trying to convince people this car was built as a celebration and a thank you to product supporters. The truth is, it is just another product they try and justify steep prices on.
BS, just put 1000.00 down on a Demon with 20k over sticker agreed. 1hr later dealership refunded my deposit and canceled my order because the owner of the dealership wanted "first right of refusal" Every dealer on the west coast wants 50-100k over sticker.
@@wetluv4 BRUH u paid 90K for a car that’s gonna have green painting 😭 and some different cosmetics for 90K there’s so many better cars out there bro but I mean hey if it makes u happy
@@billnye5183ain’t non of that black ghost swinger bull sht worth a damn to pay extra for the only thing worth it is this 170 cause you get an actual substantial increase in performance
@@billnye5183 What do you mean by better? I know I can get a cobra or a redeye a few years old for the same price. But I don't race and don't want the extra fuel and maintenance expenses. I could get a used Porsche to.
You were completely wrong about the mark up I work for a Dodge dealer in Maryland we were allocated a demon this morning and they already said they will market up $100,000 over MSRP and they have already done so and if dodge allows this I will never buy anything they make again I have owned Mopar my entire life over 40 years and the real enthusiast are priced out of the game by collectors with more money than care for the car
Hopefully by their word that'll mean your dealer will get their allocation last then....or better yet hopefully they run out of time before that happens cause your dealer doesn't deserve it. If you play games then you should suffer the consequences..no sympathy
You’re actually correct, I called to get an allocation, my town had 9 allocations. My buddy who had a demon, and has done extensive business with the dealership, will get his for MSRP. I on the other hand was told I would have to pay 25k over. Which I am going to pass on.
That's a lie, I called every dealership near me that says they'll be getting one, one told me $100K markup lol. Out of 10 only 1 said they'd do a small mark up but still markup and their allocation was already gone
Whats funny is a dealership near me has 2 allocations, I called them and they are marking up by 50k because its "rare". When I said "whats your definition of rare, there is going to be 3k of these made." They stood their ground.
@@rodgoodlet’s be honest they built those model teslas for acceleration it was definitely a thought out feature. They didn’t throw cheetah mode in the plaid for no reason it’s for drag racing
Every dealer I have called that had allocations is Marking up 100k or more. A couple dealers that I talk to said they’re not taking orders until they set the price. This is BS.
Let me get this straight... Dodge CEO originally told everyone back in 2017 that the Demon was going to be the ultimate- fastest- most powerful, etc... will never be done again! And now we see Dodge announce all these Stage kits to make Hellcats and Redeyes more powerful than the Demons,..... no Stage kits announced for Demons; so they invite all Demon owners to attend the last special edition reveal for what? to rub it in their face I guess.... they revealed a faster more powerful Demon, something they said they wouldn't do! They're not even giving loyal Demon owners first preference on buying another Demon, they're basically saying good luck getting in line and paying whatever the dealer mark up is ($100K over), and if you're lucky and willing to pay the $100k over sticker price, we'll give you a matching serial number. Looks like we just got shit on, I say no thank you. SMFH
They were saying that the Demon will only be a 1 year run that they won’t make a car on that specific profile again. Therefore they were able to use that parts from the all new Hellephant C170 and put in the Challenger part of the last call models. There 2 different cars
Facts we need to accept Stellantis doesn't care about its consumer base and is only targeting the whales that purchase overpriced high end cars. (They themselves said this w/ more PR speak) Without the Challenger & Charger Dodge can't exist. It literally has no sizeable other identity or sale base. Electric vehicles don't currently have a viable consumer base. Those that can afford and like EV's mostly don't want a Dodge. And those that want a Dodge either don't want an EV or mostly cannot afford the price it'll be or infrastructure to keep them charged. These cars are priced about 40-50% over what they should be and the markups are still going to happen. Because the people that buy these one offs are the folks with more money than sense. And generally aren't actually part of the muscle car enthusiast crowd.
I called on the allocation in my area Fort Wayne Indiana the car was already 100K / sticker there went my chances. The salesman had been calling all over to see if anybody else had one and they were all 50k above sticker price. That's the type of stuff that make people switch brands I'm a die-hard Mopar guy but that truly pissed me off
Bought a few cars from my local dodge in the past few years. Ordered them and got msrp. Matter of fact ordered a hellcat charger (2022) and got msrp and $1,000 incentive. So, below msrp. Called the dealer the next morning after the reveal to put my name down for the demon 170. Just got a call back this morning and they said price is starting out $100,000 over msrp. So, good luck getting this car anywhere near msrp.
I don't care about the vehicle at all but the strategy to keep dealers from putting massive markups on it is interesting. Ford should do the same thing with the Maverick. You got people who have been waiting nearly 2 years to get one.
@@MrLM002 It could. I wouldn’t be against them trying. I’ve been wanting a ford maverick myself and there are 2 ford dealers in my area. One lists them $5k over msrp the other charges msrp but is completely out of mavericks. They have a waiting list and the rep at the dealer says they aren’t even sure if they can fulfill the orders currently on the wait list within this year.
@@MrLM002 Luckily ford announced couple weeks ago it’s going to up the manufacturing capacity on the maverick by 80k a year. So hopefully this ends soon.
One of the dealers near me they said there not selling there allocation that the owner of the dealership decided to keep the car. That isn't right they souldn't be allow to do that.
Dodge will lose many loyal customers over this excessive markup. A public relations fiasco that will follow them for many years when they go electric and wonder where the buyers are...they went to other brands who appreciate their loyalty...
50k markup by me. Totally disqusting. I've got the coin to pony up, but I turned about face and laughed as I left the dealership. People buy these not to own but to use as currency....
That's cool, it's not like real people work at dealerships .. it's not like they provide any real jobs. Why is there always the one person that wants to shut a business down.
@E&C you can keep the business open. Only thing different would be the cars would be sold directly from the manufacturer. Dealerships are the man in the middle and make money by financing and charging you for "upgrade packages". You probably work at one these Stealerships don't you?
@@ellogovna5407 the moment someone says stealerships yall lose whatever argument y’all try to argue. It’s corny and while yes there is a lot of dealers doing mark ups and other shit I don’t like like unnecessary add ons. I am in the market for a demon 170 but even as a consumer I can’t stand when people don’t understand business and supply and demand. Why was no one complaining when dealerships were charging under MSRP for mostly all their units before Covid happen? We all took advantage of that but now it’s a problem. I ain’t paying a penny over msrp but if I can’t get it oh well on to the next I’m not gone be a pissy brat about it
@@ellogovna5407 I don't work at a dealership. But I do have enough common sense to realize that centralizing the sale of big ticket items is bad idea. The dealership doesn't finance... automakers themselves have financing but not the dealerships... unless you're talking about "buy here pay here" for your tax bracket and credit score. Banks and credit unions handle financing along with the manufacturer. You know, to create competition. Fair market capitalism. What you're talking about is centralizing the sale to a handful of sources, terrible idea. What next? You want to centralize home sales?
Dodge just drove a nail in their own coffin with this markup. The ones that can afford the markup are not their loyal customers but speculators who will try to resell these for even higher. Dodge dealers just gave their loyal customers a big middle finger...and that will come back to haunt them.
If u guys believe there will be no markups ur crazy. Watch. Dodge dont give a damn. You'll see. Sold both my hellcats, made profit so goodbye dodge. How many they're building shud tell u the whole story.
Glad I sold my SRTs. "Number one selling muscle car the last two years in a row..." So you go and change your business model? Somebody tell Stellantis that the US is not Europe. Hybrid Muscle was the way to go. The technology is perfected. Instead, they skipped right to electric - ripping people off on the way out the door with these 'Last Call' editions. Dodge is gonna tank. Most all the Mopar people I run with are selling them. You don't build loyalty then shit all over loyal customers, merger or no merger. Ford is laughing all the way to the bank. That new Dark Horse is looking good, very mod-able and available at around $60k. Electric is the Future. The key word is 'Future'.
Awesome video!!! What an incredible car!!!! I took delivery of my last call Challenger Scat pack wide body shaker, about 2 weeks ago. Super happy with it, truly sad to see these mighty V8 cars go.
I rarely comment but there is literally no way that the average Joe as you say can buy this car the dealer will find a way to mark it up. I'm so disappointed in dodge for the direction they are heading, markups etc.
You’re right. Crazy that people are selling 1970 cudas for 50x the original selling prices. 🙄 Dealerships want a little piece of the pie, this is a once in a lifetime vehicle that doesn’t compare to anything that has ever came from a production line. This is a piece of history, when people paid $3,500 for a Cuda back in 1970 the would have never guessed it would be worth what they are worth today. Now people can pay $200-300k for a Demon 170 a know it will be worth way more than that in 10 years. I’m not a big dealer markup guy but this vehicle deserves a huge dealer markup.
@Justin I agree with most of what you said except no car deserve to be marked up like that it took time for the Cuda to grow in value and it wasn't 10 years or 20 years I worked on them cars back in the 70s and 80s before going to work at a dealership nobody knows what this country is going to be like in 10 years. The average Joe can't afford or refuses to pay these stupid mark ups.
This area will go on we just won't be able to get them factory from Dodge anymore which is sad and I really think they are pulling the trigger to fast on this change.
The push for EVs is interesting. Passenger cars only account for 16% of greenhouse gas emissions in the US. Then when we consider the people climbing over one another to make $1 an hour in cobalt mines, I think using gasoline is more ethical right now. Alas, we’re in a global virtue signaling competition *sigh*
I called the dealerships around me in Ohio. 1 said asking 100k over MSRP and another said they had offers of 200k over already. A 3rd said doing a bidding war-will sell to best offer. All 3 said they will not make a decision for a few days minimum. CEO is clueless if he thinks anyone will get at MSRP. No one enjoys dealerships. They are the worst part of the car buying experience... Unless you go through Tesla. All manufacturers should copy and paste Teslas business model or risk losing more market share. When us the consumers are more educated then the dealerships about the vehicles they sell...something doesn't add up. It is like dealerships are stuck in the 80s with laws from the 50s keeping them alive.
Yes guys, talk to your local dealer so they can sell you one if they have it for 100k over prices. Yes guys, don't forget to buy it, please buy it, it's Last Call. You have to buy it.
Wishful thinking. Our local dealer in Pa wants 150k. And yes that is in ADDITION to the sticker price. One per dealership will be like hitting the lottery if you somehow get to sign on the dotted line.
Hey my corporate yo yo, dodge has done this before. You are going from a 70 hemi challenger to a k car. The electric crap will kill the company. You should have put the helliphant 426 in it by the way.
@@EK-rr2md ebay motors 2018 9 for sale 2 sold $129 and $147 best offer s so not sure of price, one has bids at $110k so when it sales we know the real price one 2023 demon 170 $200,000 over the base price plus any opts so this auction will show the true price if it sales and closes but is it built or going to be built ??
How much is the markup?? 25k??what?? 50k? wtf?? 100k?? Hell no..I'm just gonna go with Banshee 800v 2nd stage. 800kw is over 1000hp..and it'll be AWD...
Most people that like Dodge muscle cars do not generally like electric muscle cars. Most people that like electric cars so not generally like Dodge muscle cars (even if they were electric). I guess time will tell but I can't see electrification of the dodge muscle car being a success.
Agreed Dodge is going to kill themselves. Like sure if they want to make electric cars then go for it but don’t disown your current loyal customer base by removing the segment of cars they like.
I don't believe it will be eather! If it's one thing most Americans don't like, it's something being forced on them.... I personally think dodge going all electric will be the death of them.
You can’t stop the markups. There’s no many being made which means it only takes a handful of rich guys to say “wow 1000hp for 200k dollars that’s a great price take my money” and dealers know this.
@@youtubecarspottersguide1 That's right, but with this amount produced, they will not stay (actually never be) on the lots. And once they purchased - it's gone for everyone else.
@@AK.__ true . will any of them see the trac ? think the one to buy is the 807hp super stock very low production but the demom 170 is one for the history books
sell the 3300 off the line. Prevents mark up and you only have to pay a few grand for shipping. I couldn't see why people would hate on that. Paying 100k-105k instead of 150k+ Cause of dealership mark ups
Talk to this guy Tim and tell him I called 10 dealers and each one said 50-200k mark up. this is insane and every dealer that said that to me I will NEVER buy any car from them.
Was told by dealer today that the allocations are being fought over and it’s likely that a lottery system will come into play. Price today is $150K over MSRP (what ever that is going to be, $100K maybe?) It’s just ridiculous
let the rich kids and dealers fright over them 3000 is not rare , last call swinger scat pac wide body sublime 6.2 manual only 200 ever built one of one 200 ever built
Can this dude from Dodge even hear himself talk? "the end of this era" more like "the end of Dodge". NO ONE. LITTERALY NO ONE has forced them to kill themselves from the inside. They just decided to do it. Congrats Dodge, you lasted a while.
It's just a PR stunt. There are so few of these, the average person will never get their hands on one at any price. So, who really cares? Let some flippers be gouged $100,000 on a limited production models. Let the market do what it wants. Me, I'd rather see them discount regular cars another $5,000+. That would be more meaningful.
The only thing that can prevent the true value of the car from being realized is if Dodge mandates a no-sell/trade clause in order to buy the car. I don't understand why Dodge doesn't just raise the MSRP to what the car is actually worth so they can keep the profits for themselves instead of gifting them to dealers.
Well they aren't stopping dealers from upcharging.... I had called 10 dealerships inquiring about build slots...all I repeat all are charging 200k over sticker some even more
The lies I’ve called multiple states and minimum they’re charging 100k over sticker and in Colorado where I stay it’s 150k got a allocation and once they said all of this definitely a no thought there weren’t gonna be outrageous markups
Their " mark up strategy " is complete garbage. I've seen none of these cars allocations being sold for MSRP. the cheapest I've seen is $100,000 Above MSRP.
This is a lie!! Every dealer is marking up the car. I found one today and it was the dealerships last one. They had 4 allocations and sold all for 100,000.00 over sticker
No dealer is asking msrp so how the heck will this building first work? That’s not enough dodge needs to step up and fix this issue and sell directly to consumers
So basically, he is saying 3,000 is the goal to build. But, "if we only build 1,400, then we only build 1,400" because production stops on December 31st. Thus, if a dealer marks up a new Demon, it may not get built because they don't get priority.
here is the issue. dealers are requiring $20-30k TODAY to lock in, oh and that price raises if someone offers more. so if it never gets built, you just gave a 20k interest free loan to teh dealer.
The problem with dealers in America is they are authorized resellers from wholesale to retail. Which means technically they temporarily have unregistered ownership of vehicles therein lays the problem.
@@master_alienhead no free market capitalism get it right. What their doing isn't free market at all. You see don't make them limited make them the only ones and produce in the 100,000 they will sell at sticker all day.
@Alienhead Value is sky rocketing because gas cars are being banned by a tyrannical government. That's not capitalism. That's govt manipulation of the market.
They just need to sell them directly through the website and have customers pay for delivery.
I’d rather pay a few thousand for delivery then have to battle with a dealership and outbid somebody and pay a crazy markup.
Its illegal for them to do that. Tesla wanted to do exactly that, cut the middleman out. They were sued.
@@TheTW13 why is that illegal but 100k mark ups aren’t?
@@johncena-hq1ti - it’s the fact they have to give the franchisees an opportunity to sell all of the vehicles their manufacturer produces. It allows for competition. Unfortunately they can ask more than MSRP. Manufacturers”SUGGESTED” Retail Pricing.
I’m not saying it’s right, but no one complained when buying cars or trucks that were discounted up to $20,000 per vehicle. No one offered to pay MSRP **THEN**. 😂😂😂😂😂.
I want, I want, I want,,,,,,,,. Failing to recognize that, especially in the USA, you live in a Capitalist society.
I don’t like the markups over MSRP and have blacklisted all dealerships that have sold for more than MSRP. A friend owns a Ford and now a Stellantis dealership. He refuses to charge more than MSRP because he said MSRP for every vehicle sold is a dream!!! There’s a second acquainted in another city with. Chevy/Cadillac dealership that also has that same philosophy. I’m pretty much set!! 😂😂.
@@TheTW13 ford's doing that soon idk if its 2035 or sooner but I know ford's going for the delivery stuff mainly for the shit stain dealers that go over sticker with bs markups not all together
@@danjessome7269 find a direct connection dealer and go through them or a dealer that you've gone through since day one
The two dealers near me straight up said 25k mark up and the other said they were going to have a bidding war. Dealerships are like lawyers. The ABSOLUTE WORST of humanity lol
Ones by me did 150k mark up
and they sold em all
@@newedgesteve8266 LOL same, and asked for a $20k nonrefundable deposit
@@abdurrahman3236 lmao dang! I could never
@@newedgesteve8266 makes me sick. It's like rich people privilege lol. The audacity of these people to make more money then the rest of us. Lol I'm just kidding. I'd take out a second mortgage if it was 100k but that wouldn't happen in my life time that's for sure
@Bored Panduh 😂😂😂 yeah it's gotta be a great feeling to afford that without batting an eye props to them! But yeah I don't agree with that much of a markup it does put it out of price range for many of us
Just sell directly to customers the way Tesla does. After dealership mark ups and decades of shady practices, not as many tears will be shed when dealerships are gone.
They don't want that. They get kick backs from those mark ups.
They can't. It's against the law in the US for the manufacture to do that.
@@tlr-nut7275 it’s illegal for a business to trade with a customer directly? Sounds like a “give me” to dealerships in certain states. Tesla can sell directly in many states. I know my home state of Texas doesn’t allow it because our legislature is a puppet to select industries.
@@MakingItHappenMWC you’re probably right.
@@tlr-nut7275 Nobody cares about laws anymore.
Called three dealers today, one wanted 50K over MSRP, the other 75K, and the last one $125K over MSRP... The prioritizing MSRP orders is not working...
I've dealt with 45 dealerships over the last week trying to get a Demon 170 as a serious buyer. I've been told by most dealerships that they want 150K over sticker for their allocation. Dodge has screwed the pooch here, and I'm very disappointed. I was excited to own a Demon, but Dodge's greed has totally killed my excitement.
same here, a moper fan, like the super stock more rare and the r/t wide body 6 speed shaker hood , ones id buy for the same price with the$150,000 markup, 3000 is that rare? 150 ever built .1of 3 in this color one of 50 with these opts, one thing all /most cars are special orders for the org owner. being a org owner as time goes one is priceless and can say I only paid x for mine new
Yea buddy called over 100 dealers across the entire USA . All of them asking at least 50k-250k over msrp
@@BeansCheeze Yep, total bullshit. I even called the dealers that I bought my Redeye and Hellcat from, and they both told me "Good luck, bud"
What I like about this car is that it doesn’t need much aftermarket stuff to make it fast. It comes faster than anything else from the factory. You’ll blow cars that cost three times as much away
On the drag strip most definitely. Let’s be honest most will be doing most of there racing on the street where they shouldn’t even attempt a dig. I imagine this would be a roll racing monster from factory though
And what about Bugatti, who started to make 1000HP something like 10 years ago, lol?
@@AK.__ how often do you really see one drag racing though?
@@LegioIII. Never honestly. It still has power, but those cars extremely limited. Kind of dream-cars, so people will not take them neither to drag not to circuit racing, only in city, like in games.
@@AK.__ I like the Challenger but I'm sure it still has the same security issues as before. And you're right about the Bugatti.
No Markup.... TOTALLY NOT TRUE... I called Avondale Dodge in AZ this morning where I purchased my 2018 Demon and they said that they had 8 available but the price was $100,000.00 OVER MSRP.. The bad part is that if it wasn't for people like me and my friends, they would not even have the allocation that they do.
Original Demon owner here also, and all dealers in my area have insane markups or auctions.
For that ADM I am passing on this 1/2 wide body send off of the Demon Tim K promised me he "would never make again."
Doesn’t matter most of the 8 will probably be sold online if you don’t buy them.
@@HemiBurns I agree, Dodge lied to us back in 2018.... This is how Dodge will loose their fan base. I still have every Dodge I have ever purchased but it looks like I will not be getting a 170. Do you think that there will be a class action suit against Dodge for releasing another Demon after they stated that they would not. If there is count me in...
@@TeslaTap I guarantee someone is going to sue, just like they did over the Durango Hellcat lie.
Well they technically renamed it by adding 170 to the name. So who knows if their lawyers told them they can get away with it by doing that. Either way it's still a lie in the customers eye
Asked the local dealer in Fort Myers Florida. They want $150K over sticker. Insane!
$250k
Shoot still plenty of room for the consumer to double their money in 3-5 years.
@@Justin-qi6fz no
The Demon has already tripled its value in 5 years. And this will be the last ICE ever made in a challenger. And on top of that it will always be the fastest production ICE vehicle ever built.
@@Justin-qi6fz this will go up but not much, it's not aesthetically pleasing, though stupid to me, I heard plenty about "it has half a widebody" and how "the interior and exterior hasn't changed in almost a decade" . . . I think most people would rather just tune the ones they have already (if it's not getting stolen rn)
First day I got locked in on an allocation for $7,500 over MSRP. Then the bidding wars started everywhere else and my dealer called me and cancelled my order. They said they “now have an issue with their allocation” 😕
Man the dealer called me and said the owner wanted it. So they were refunding my deposit. Then a friend called and they told him they were taking bids
@@supertruck1187 They should be able to be sued for that bullshit. Absolute scumbags!
Wish they were able to keep these cars in production for a longer time they should be able to have an Ev and also have the demons side-by-side but the government sucks
You will be able to buy a gas Challenger and the EV Charger from my understanding they are going to have both
People suck
@@richardbutton1179 You are correct. They are doing away with the HellCat/Hemi engine. The new Challengers and Chargers with be using different variations of the Hurricane engine.
@@richardbutton1179 right but there replacing it with a inline 6 that’s my problem
I bought the first demon and paid 25k over and on my paper we said we paid Msrp to get the car built quicker. It still took a while to get and this isn’t the first time they are trying to stop mark ups. It’s not gonna work.
There is a lot that was said here that is hard to believe. A lot of marketing fluff to make people WANT it super bad to the point of mortgaging their homes. lol (I am not 1 of those people) Trying to convince people this car was built as a celebration and a thank you to product supporters. The truth is, it is just another product they try and justify steep prices on.
That sounds real shady on the dealership's part...
@@soiceyboy33it's a dealership, they are one step above human traffickers, barely
For people like you who pay over for nothing, they will help the dealers do whatever they want
Remove dealers straight from factory = no mark up from greedy dealers
BS, just put 1000.00 down on a Demon with 20k over sticker agreed. 1hr later dealership refunded my deposit and canceled my order because the owner of the dealership wanted "first right of refusal" Every dealer on the west coast wants 50-100k over sticker.
They’ll find an even bigger sucker very fast
Tim Kuniski is a snake
Already Turnersville Dodge Jeep in New Jersey has their listings at $223k. So much for stopping mark ups.
They also have their Swinger Chargers at $120k.
@@DevanteW yea. I paid $90,000 for my swinger. $15,000 over sticker.And it's a 3 to 4 month wait.
@@wetluv4 BRUH u paid 90K for a car that’s gonna have green painting 😭 and some different cosmetics for 90K there’s so many better cars out there bro but I mean hey if it makes u happy
@@billnye5183ain’t non of that black ghost swinger bull sht worth a damn to pay extra for the only thing worth it is this 170 cause you get an actual substantial increase in performance
@@billnye5183
What do you mean by better?
I know I can get a cobra or a redeye a few years old for the same price.
But I don't race and don't want the extra fuel and maintenance expenses.
I could get a used Porsche to.
You were completely wrong about the mark up I work for a Dodge dealer in Maryland we were allocated a demon this morning and they already said they will market up $100,000 over MSRP and they have already done so and if dodge allows this I will never buy anything they make again I have owned Mopar my entire life over 40 years and the real enthusiast are priced out of the game by collectors with more money than care for the car
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Hopefully by their word that'll mean your dealer will get their allocation last then....or better yet hopefully they run out of time before that happens cause your dealer doesn't deserve it. If you play games then you should suffer the consequences..no sympathy
Easy to say you aren't buying another Mopar when it's the end of an era!
You’re actually correct, I called to get an allocation, my town had 9 allocations. My buddy who had a demon, and has done extensive business with the dealership, will get his for MSRP. I on the other hand was told I would have to pay 25k over. Which I am going to pass on.
That's a lie, I called every dealership near me that says they'll be getting one, one told me $100K markup lol. Out of 10 only 1 said they'd do a small mark up but still markup and their allocation was already gone
Houston dealers said 50-100k. Straight bullshit
Whats funny is a dealership near me has 2 allocations, I called them and they are marking up by 50k because its "rare". When I said "whats your definition of rare, there is going to be 3k of these made." They stood their ground.
It ain’t for you if you don’t think this car is rare. Name a comparable production vehicle and once you find something remotely close name the price.
@@Justin-qi6fz wow buddy what dealer hired you to say that
50 K mark up is low, I’m hearing they are selling for close to 250 K
@@andrepugh5694 $250,000 for a dodge thats porsche $
@@andrepugh5694 ive heard 250k over msrp
Dude says that an average Joe can buy😂😂 yeah cause every average Joe has 100,000+ dollars😂
Ya too only take it to the dragstrip on the weekend, and then worry about if a Tesla shows up .
@@rodgood teslas are not drag cars and a car nobody really gives a shit about.
@@baibureh8816 it is sad when a lectric car is in the 9 ,s and it is not a drag car isn't it .
@@rodgoodlet’s be honest they built those model teslas for acceleration it was definitely a thought out feature. They didn’t throw cheetah mode in the plaid for no reason it’s for drag racing
@@bricklayerlzdp9825 did Tesla make it a two seater and give it drag tires ? how about a chute mount ? is E85 easier to find then a Tesla charger ?
Ha Ha yeah ok. My cousin works for well known Volume Dodge dealer and the 3 allocations they will have already sold for $300K each.
Every dealer I have called that had allocations is Marking up 100k or more. A couple dealers that I talk to said they’re not taking orders until they set the price. This is BS.
Let me get this straight... Dodge CEO originally told everyone back in 2017 that the Demon was going to be the ultimate- fastest- most powerful, etc... will never be done again! And now we see Dodge announce all these Stage kits to make Hellcats and Redeyes more powerful than the Demons,..... no Stage kits announced for Demons; so they invite all Demon owners to attend the last special edition reveal for what? to rub it in their face I guess.... they revealed a faster more powerful Demon, something they said they wouldn't do! They're not even giving loyal Demon owners first preference on buying another Demon, they're basically saying good luck getting in line and paying whatever the dealer mark up is ($100K over), and if you're lucky and willing to pay the $100k over sticker price, we'll give you a matching serial number. Looks like we just got shit on, I say no thank you. SMFH
Its only "told" - not official contract. They not make cars to please someone, but earn the money. Just a business.
They were saying that the Demon will only be a 1 year run that they won’t make a car on that specific profile again. Therefore they were able to use that parts from the all new Hellephant C170 and put in the Challenger part of the last call models. There 2 different cars
Our dealership is TOTALLY not marking it up, they're just charging a 300,000 dollar "oxygen use" fee...😬👍🏿
My dealership wants $200k over MSRP... LOL I told them they are crazy. Good luck with that!
Everyone who’s gonna wait forever to get one…< the guy who is gonna steal your shit out of the drive way after you get it
Don’t live in a shitty area..pretty simple
The only people getting to order one at MSRP are dealership owners…
The masters of the vehicle industry. TFL now.
Didn't Dodge say the Hellcat Durango was also final year when initially released and now they are re-releasing it for 2023.
Facts we need to accept
Stellantis doesn't care about its consumer base and is only targeting the whales that purchase overpriced high end cars. (They themselves said this w/ more PR speak)
Without the Challenger & Charger Dodge can't exist. It literally has no sizeable other identity or sale base.
Electric vehicles don't currently have a viable consumer base. Those that can afford and like EV's mostly don't want a Dodge. And those that want a Dodge either don't want an EV or mostly cannot afford the price it'll be or infrastructure to keep them charged.
These cars are priced about 40-50% over what they should be and the markups are still going to happen. Because the people that buy these one offs are the folks with more money than sense. And generally aren't actually part of the muscle car enthusiast crowd.
They make an SXT and R/T that are very attainable, no mark up or anything
Who weants a pentastar v6 though
Try 150% over
Make as many as the customers want that’s how you stop the mark up
there is a known part allocation issue with eth charger and challenger. THATS the issue.
Normal 840hp demons already selling for 200k+ why would this car sell for 97k MSRP in its current state? Their going to mark this car up regardless
And if not they, the buyer will resell wit good profit.
OG demons are not selling for 200k plus
@@TruckGoesVroom yeah your right, one just sold for 220k in 2023. look it up
I called on the allocation in my area Fort Wayne Indiana the car was already 100K / sticker there went my chances. The salesman had been calling all over to see if anybody else had one and they were all 50k above sticker price. That's the type of stuff that make people switch brands I'm a die-hard Mopar guy but that truly pissed me off
Price fixing
Dodge dealer told me today 100k markup and they only had 6 slots and 5 are already filled. This is in Texas by the way smdh
Bought a few cars from my local dodge in the past few years. Ordered them and got msrp. Matter of fact ordered a hellcat charger (2022) and got msrp and $1,000 incentive. So, below msrp. Called the dealer the next morning after the reveal to put my name down for the demon 170. Just got a call back this morning and they said price is starting out $100,000 over msrp. So, good luck getting this car anywhere near msrp.
local Dealers here in Toronto Canada are asking $130,000.00 over list
I don't care about the vehicle at all but the strategy to keep dealers from putting massive markups on it is interesting. Ford should do the same thing with the Maverick. You got people who have been waiting nearly 2 years to get one.
As other comments are stating this strategy is not working,
@@dillonh321 I bet it would work better for a high volume vehicle like the Maverick.
@@MrLM002
Possibly
@@MrLM002
It could. I wouldn’t be against them trying. I’ve been wanting a ford maverick myself and there are 2 ford dealers in my area. One lists them $5k over msrp the other charges msrp but is completely out of mavericks. They have a waiting list and the rep at the dealer says they aren’t even sure if they can fulfill the orders currently on the wait list within this year.
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Luckily ford announced couple weeks ago it’s going to up the manufacturing capacity on the maverick by 80k a year. So hopefully this ends soon.
One of the dealers near me they said there not selling there allocation that the owner of the dealership decided to keep the car. That isn't right they souldn't be allow to do that.
Dodge will lose many loyal customers over this excessive markup. A public relations fiasco that will follow them for many years when they go electric and wonder where the buyers are...they went to other brands who appreciate their loyalty...
Why does Tim even mention "If you pay sticker" when every dealer is putting an obscene markup on them?
MSRP means manufacturer SUGGESTED retail price.. is NOT a fixed maximum legal "can NOT go any higher" price, learn the difference !!!
Because not every dealer has a mark up. Bought my Last Call from a dealership that doesn't charge over msrp...
@@yepitsme431 Ive known that before you were even born. You did not get the point.
@@terricandelaria3766 where
Somebody said there’s a dealer in Florida that don’t charge markups on anything
50k markup by me. Totally disqusting. I've got the coin to pony up, but I turned about face and laughed as I left the dealership. People buy these not to own but to use as currency....
3000 is not rare
My dealer already said all 7 of his allocations are going to auction to the highest bidder., except the one he's keeping....lol
So he is kind of honest. At least 1 car was for MSRP (if not lower)
Every dealership with an allocation near zip code 45840 has already told me they plan to sell “well over” MSRP. What a joke
These cars always needed awd. Trx proves that the hc motor needs awd to put power down.
Negative chief. Awd adds weight, and fuel mileage is greatly reduced. In this monster you'd get like 2mpgs if it awd. Later man......
True but dodge wasn't going to spend the development money for awd on this ancient chassis going out of production
@@CRAPO2011 this chasis has awd. It was based on old e class. Look up the info.
Not true funny cars are not awd and can run easily into 7 second zone.
@@CRAPO2011beef up the rt max awd system
Stealerships will always find a way. Which is why they need to be banned completely
Sounds great until you need to take your car in for service.
That's cool, it's not like real people work at dealerships .. it's not like they provide any real jobs.
Why is there always the one person that wants to shut a business down.
@E&C you can keep the business open. Only thing different would be the cars would be sold directly from the manufacturer. Dealerships are the man in the middle and make money by financing and charging you for "upgrade packages". You probably work at one these Stealerships don't you?
@@ellogovna5407 the moment someone says stealerships yall lose whatever argument y’all try to argue. It’s corny and while yes there is a lot of dealers doing mark ups and other shit I don’t like like unnecessary add ons. I am in the market for a demon 170 but even as a consumer I can’t stand when people don’t understand business and supply and demand. Why was no one complaining when dealerships were charging under MSRP for mostly all their units before Covid happen? We all took advantage of that but now it’s a problem. I ain’t paying a penny over msrp but if I can’t get it oh well on to the next I’m not gone be a pissy brat about it
@@ellogovna5407 I don't work at a dealership. But I do have enough common sense to realize that centralizing the sale of big ticket items is bad idea. The dealership doesn't finance... automakers themselves have financing but not the dealerships... unless you're talking about "buy here pay here" for your tax bracket and credit score.
Banks and credit unions handle financing along with the manufacturer. You know, to create competition. Fair market capitalism. What you're talking about is centralizing the sale to a handful of sources, terrible idea.
What next? You want to centralize home sales?
Its False Advertising when you allow your dealerships to charge whatever they want. Done with Dodge.....
Dodge just drove a nail in their own coffin with this markup. The ones that can afford the markup are not their loyal customers but speculators who will try to resell these for even higher. Dodge dealers just gave their loyal customers a big middle finger...and that will come back to haunt them.
If u guys believe there will be no markups ur crazy. Watch. Dodge dont give a damn. You'll see. Sold both my hellcats, made profit so goodbye dodge. How many they're building shud tell u the whole story.
I know those original demon owners are pissed
Only because dodge made it seem like they had something special and never made again only to make it again AND much better 😂
Don't feel even a shred of sympathy
LOL, the thumb nail has the video length at 1320. Well played boys, well played.
I called a dozen dealers on this. All said they were already filled. Many of them for sale already 100k over sticker.
Fantastic video! Thank you for all of the information
Glad I sold my SRTs. "Number one selling muscle car the last two years in a row..." So you go and change your business model? Somebody tell Stellantis that the US is not Europe.
Hybrid Muscle was the way to go. The technology is perfected. Instead, they skipped right to electric - ripping people off on the way out the door with these 'Last Call' editions. Dodge is gonna tank. Most all the Mopar people I run with are selling them. You don't build loyalty then shit all over loyal customers, merger or no merger.
Ford is laughing all the way to the bank. That new Dark Horse is looking good, very mod-able and available at around $60k. Electric is the Future. The key word is 'Future'.
Awesome video!!!
What an incredible car!!!!
I took delivery of my last call Challenger Scat pack wide body shaker, about 2 weeks ago.
Super happy with it, truly sad to see these mighty V8 cars go.
@TFLnow Called several dealers today. 75k to 150k over MSRP. Brutal.
I rarely comment but there is literally no way that the average Joe as you say can buy this car the dealer will find a way to mark it up. I'm so disappointed in dodge for the direction they are heading, markups etc.
You’re right. Crazy that people are selling 1970 cudas for 50x the original selling prices. 🙄 Dealerships want a little piece of the pie, this is a once in a lifetime vehicle that doesn’t compare to anything that has ever came from a production line. This is a piece of history, when people paid $3,500 for a Cuda back in 1970 the would have never guessed it would be worth what they are worth today. Now people can pay $200-300k for a Demon 170 a know it will be worth way more than that in 10 years. I’m not a big dealer markup guy but this vehicle deserves a huge dealer markup.
@Justin I agree with most of what you said except no car deserve to be marked up like that it took time for the Cuda to grow in value and it wasn't 10 years or 20 years I worked on them cars back in the 70s and 80s before going to work at a dealership nobody knows what this country is going to be like in 10 years. The average Joe can't afford or refuses to pay these stupid mark ups.
I agree with you about what our world will be like in 10 years. But 1 thing is for sure, there will never be another vehicle like this.
@@Justin-qi6fz you definitely got that right
Almost all the dealerships in San Diego said 100k markup with 25k deposit 😅
This area will go on we just won't be able to get them factory from Dodge anymore which is sad and I really think they are pulling the trigger to fast on this change.
Every employee at the dodge dealership will place an order. 😂
The push for EVs is interesting. Passenger cars only account for 16% of greenhouse gas emissions in the US. Then when we consider the people climbing over one another to make $1 an hour in cobalt mines, I think using gasoline is more ethical right now. Alas, we’re in a global virtue signaling competition *sigh*
Talked to a friend who owns an original Demon, he is trying to buy one and sees dealers asking 50-300k over sticker!
I called a local dealer that shows they are getting one. I was transferred to the sales manager. There taking bids 250K. No thanks . Hung up
I called the dealerships around me in Ohio. 1 said asking 100k over MSRP and another said they had offers of 200k over already. A 3rd said doing a bidding war-will sell to best offer. All 3 said they will not make a decision for a few days minimum. CEO is clueless if he thinks anyone will get at MSRP. No one enjoys dealerships. They are the worst part of the car buying experience... Unless you go through Tesla. All manufacturers should copy and paste Teslas business model or risk losing more market share. When us the consumers are more educated then the dealerships about the vehicles they sell...something doesn't add up. It is like dealerships are stuck in the 80s with laws from the 50s keeping them alive.
Tim is a snake
Yes guys, talk to your local dealer so they can sell you one if they have it for 100k over prices. Yes guys, don't forget to buy it, please buy it, it's Last Call. You have to buy it.
Tim Kuniski is a snake 💀
Wishful thinking. Our local dealer in Pa wants 150k. And yes that is in ADDITION to the sticker price. One per dealership will be like hitting the lottery if you somehow get to sign on the dotted line.
They should've called it a Ghoul or Goblin or Gremlin or something other than a Demon.
You are right, no back seat so lets go for AMX .2 .
The Ghoul might be will pop up closely to April 1-st
Hey my corporate yo yo, dodge has done this before. You are going from a 70 hemi challenger to a k car. The electric crap will kill the company. You should have put the helliphant 426 in it by the way.
Imagine someone spent 90k on their demon last year and now this thing come out😅
The Demon came out in 2018. If someone bought one last year they are anywhere from about 130k up to over 200k.
@@EK-rr2md ebay motors 2018 9 for sale 2 sold $129 and $147 best offer s so not sure of price, one has bids at $110k so when it sales we know the real price one 2023 demon 170 $200,000 over the base price plus any opts so this auction will show the true price if it sales and closes but is it built or going to be built ??
How much is the markup?? 25k??what?? 50k? wtf?? 100k?? Hell no..I'm just gonna go with Banshee 800v 2nd stage. 800kw is over 1000hp..and it'll be AWD...
It will be marked up too sadly. They'll ho for 100k base but 150k+ with dealer markups
after the recession ends, I hope everything goes back to normal..
now, everything is crazy...
Most people that like Dodge muscle cars do not generally like electric muscle cars. Most people that like electric cars so not generally like Dodge muscle cars (even if they were electric). I guess time will tell but I can't see electrification of the dodge muscle car being a success.
Agreed Dodge is going to kill themselves. Like sure if they want to make electric cars then go for it but don’t disown your current loyal customer base by removing the segment of cars they like.
I don't believe it will be eather! If it's one thing most Americans don't like, it's something being forced on them.... I personally think dodge going all electric will be the death of them.
@@josephf593 I completely agree.
Not unless they put 2k hp in the new “muscle” cars. Which knowing Dodge, they probably will lol
@@raulgallardo5140 They still won't have any soul if they are electric in my opinion.
You can’t stop the markups. There’s no many being made which means it only takes a handful of rich guys to say “wow 1000hp for 200k dollars that’s a great price take my money” and dealers know this.
You right. This is free market and seller set their own prices according to demand.
always say let the rich kids fight over them ,3000 is not rare ,500 ever built is 1 of 50 in this color etc
@@youtubecarspottersguide1 That's right, but with this amount produced, they will not stay (actually never be) on the lots. And once they purchased - it's gone for everyone else.
@@AK.__ true . will any of them see the trac ? think the one to buy is the 807hp super stock very low production but the demom 170 is one for the history books
All dealers I called today have a mark up lol
FACTS.
FAX
Dealer in Dallas sold one today for 250k over…nothing will stop markups
sell the 3300 off the line. Prevents mark up and you only have to pay a few grand for shipping. I couldn't see why people would hate on that. Paying 100k-105k instead of 150k+ Cause of dealership mark ups
Talk to this guy Tim and tell him I called 10 dealers and each one said 50-200k mark up. this is insane and every dealer that said that to me I will NEVER buy any car from them.
its still a dodge
Tim is a chronic lier
Ummm...20% of these cars are gonna end up in ditches or around tree trunks due to bad drivers.
Just like every other car driven on the road?
I literally just watched a woman curb her rims on her Toyota echo in a drive through.
@youtube sucks Women are built different, most of them aren't very good behind the wheel.
@@Welcometofacsistube
Yeah every car gets into accidents but these will at an even higher rate.
My brother works at the dodge dealer. They are allocated 4 cars. 3 are already sold at $100,000 over sticker ! WTF !
Was told by dealer today that the allocations are being fought over and it’s likely that a lottery system will come into play. Price today is $150K over MSRP (what ever that is going to be, $100K maybe?)
It’s just ridiculous
let the rich kids and dealers fright over them 3000 is not rare , last call swinger scat pac wide body sublime 6.2 manual only 200 ever built one of one 200 ever built
Can this dude from Dodge even hear himself talk? "the end of this era" more like "the end of Dodge". NO ONE. LITTERALY NO ONE has forced them to kill themselves from the inside. They just decided to do it. Congrats Dodge, you lasted a while.
Tim is a snake.
Already here in colorado they want 250k😭🤨
Dodge will be gone in five years with what they have planed as a product line up
Dodge is dead 💀
There is no dealership offering it at 97k, it’s outrageous! Florida dealerships are the worse! I would say take back their numbers!
No more mark ups? They already marking the hell out of Demon 170.
It's just a PR stunt. There are so few of these, the average person will never get their hands on one at any price. So, who really cares? Let some flippers be gouged $100,000 on a limited production models. Let the market do what it wants.
Me, I'd rather see them discount regular cars another $5,000+. That would be more meaningful.
Tim is a snake
So if a handful get purchased at MSRP, priority doesnt mean squat, because the vast majority will be marked up
BINGO
8.9 Quarter Mile and stolen in 8.9 seconds 😂
Gone in 1.66 seconds lol.
Dont know iff thugs will dig the 2 speaker audio in the d170
Yeah right. Not a chance a dealer sells these at MSRP or anywhere close.
The only thing that can prevent the true value of the car from being realized is if Dodge mandates a no-sell/trade clause in order to buy the car. I don't understand why Dodge doesn't just raise the MSRP to what the car is actually worth so they can keep the profits for themselves instead of gifting them to dealers.
If you owe it to us the CUSTOMER then you should not have a limited production run 🤬
My dealer in Poway CA said 100K over sticker and he would order one up for me.
Well they aren't stopping dealers from upcharging....
I had called 10 dealerships inquiring about build slots...all I repeat all are charging 200k over sticker some even more
I like Tim when he not pushing that bs hornet and banshee (kind of rubbing off on me lol).
Some dealers are already asking $300,000 over sticker> Great job Dodge. You nailed it. What a piss-poor job...
for a dodge its just a dodge 3000 is not rare one of 100 ever built thats rare the super stock 807 HP dodge garage HP locater shows 32 thats rare
now only 15 super stocks left
The lies I’ve called multiple states and minimum they’re charging 100k over sticker and in Colorado where I stay it’s 150k got a allocation and once they said all of this definitely a no thought there weren’t gonna be outrageous markups
So the video title is about "bold markup prevention", yet Tim straight up says that's not why he's doing it 😂
8.9 from factory is pretty damn impressive
Their " mark up strategy " is complete garbage. I've seen none of these cars allocations being sold for MSRP. the cheapest I've seen is $100,000 Above MSRP.
Price fixing
A gas ram tradesman 2500. is 60 grand now. Theyl find a way to over charge.
Trucks have always been expensive
Did I miss the markup prevention? Because apparently the dealers did as well, every one I have heard and spoke to, all marked way up.
This is a lie!! Every dealer is marking up the car. I found one today and it was the dealerships last one. They had 4 allocations and sold all for 100,000.00 over sticker
No dealer is asking msrp so how the heck will this building first work? That’s not enough dodge needs to step up and fix this issue and sell directly to consumers
I'm not sure I believe it. Called Hoblit Dodge in Woodland CA. They stated they have 6 allocations- 5 have deposits on them, selling $100k over MSRP.
So basically, he is saying 3,000 is the goal to build. But, "if we only build 1,400, then we only build 1,400" because production stops on December 31st. Thus, if a dealer marks up a new Demon, it may not get built because they don't get priority.
here is the issue. dealers are requiring $20-30k TODAY to lock in, oh and that price raises if someone offers more. so if it never gets built, you just gave a 20k interest free loan to teh dealer.
The problem with dealers in America is they are authorized resellers from wholesale to retail. Which means technically they temporarily have unregistered ownership of vehicles therein lays the problem.
Not a problem. Its called capitalism. Its a great thing. Its what made America the power house it is. You want better? Do better.
@@master_alienhead no free market capitalism get it right. What their doing isn't free market at all. You see don't make them limited make them the only ones and produce in the 100,000 they will sell at sticker all day.
@Alienhead Value is sky rocketing because gas cars are being banned by a tyrannical government. That's not capitalism. That's govt manipulation of the market.
@@master_alienhead lmao youre coping hard
You should make this model like forever .
EVERYONE needs 8 second drag car.