I actually emailed Walther a few weeks ago to give them positive feedback on the PDP Pro that I just purchased, and to voice my wishes for a gun just like what you’re talking about here, a staggered stack, P365/Shield Plus/Hellcat style micro-compact, and the guy who emailed me back within 48 hours said that he and others inside Walther are indeed pushing for this! Super cool to see more evidence of it.
Yeah. I think they’d print money if they offered something in that vein. Though this thing looks like it incorporates some unique innovations, apart from the PDP. Thanks!
100% agree. It’s shootability of the PPS that attracts me. And any new offering would have to retain that, to hold my interest-regardless of capacity. Plus, I feel the PPS’s trigger weight is a good compromise for carry, without a manual safety.
I wouldn't be surprised to see Walther to release a new compact gun soon. They're behind on doing so, and Walther is very US centric, so seeing these patents likely means that there will be a gun.
Good insights. Thanks, Paul! Yeah, I feel like they need some kinda new iron in the micro-compact fire. Though sometimes I wonder if they’re trying to be more strategic about the release, with HK’s new hotness lurking around the corner. Though comments suggest maybe that’s not living up to the hype. We’ll see.
@@stopthephilosophicalzombie9017 oh, I don’t expect them to do it soon-soon, but just sooner than HK. I won’t be buying any new Walthers anyway, I’ve got my support infrastructure for Glocks/Revolvers these days.
@@nathanpepper6293 Yeah, what’s weird is that they’ve got a patent for a single-feed magazine on there. So… not exactly sure how reconcile that with the dual feed ramp. Maybe that mag patent is unrelated?
@@HipsterTactical they have to be pretty desperate for a micro at this point. I really wish they could figure out a way to shrink the P99 or PDP design
@@Sig_P229 Man, I’d love a slim, small P99. I had the compact P99… still fat… just kept the full size. It occurred to me that maybe Walther is waiting for HK mini pistol to drop so they don’t come off as a “me too.” But… who knows…
I don’t need more than 8 rounds for carry . For home defense is 15+1 . Self defense is right in front of you you unload a mag that would mean he is running away or far in the distance which you go to jail . Real self defense is 1-3 shots there no more time for anything else . That’s why people get charged with murder when they can really understand what’s self defense . It’s quick right in front of you and no time to reload or thinking you need to 15 shots
@@True-word74 I agree 100%. Never really felt the need for more than a single stack for carry. Honestly, the PPS works for me-it’s such a nice shooter. Of course I’m curious about new guns from Walther… but I don’t feel I’m missing anything with the PPS. Except for maybe the P99 trigger in a PPS for factor. Damn. That would be awesome. Thanks!
@@HipsterTactical I have the pps m2 le I bought 2 of them it’s my favorite gun by Walther . I have also the pdp F 3.5 inch . Awesome gun but the pps is still my favorite it’s what I carry 80 percent of the time only other carry gun I like is the fn reflex . Trust me I shot lots of Walter’s friends have the pdp q steel frame it’s heave shoots great but has no purpose for me .
As much as I'll miss the P99, I love the fact that Walther keeps releasing new stuff and they keep evolving constantly. The PDP looks neat and this potential new gun they got cooking up looks pretty hot honestly
If Walther comes out with a double stack PPS, it will without a doubt be my favorite gun and the new and only carry gun for me. And if it's cut for an optic, I just might sell all my other striker fired compact and sub compact guns.
Pattent surfing 🏄♂️ is so cool. Thanks hipster man. Keep it up, it is unique and interesting. Mr Hypster industrial spy. No one does it on TH-cam for guns. It could be a great alternative as you tube gets stricter with gun channel. Showing a couple of drawings and speculations from each brand would be fun!! It should not go against the new policy
@@HipsterTactical I’m just speculating that with center rail you could mount an optic at the posterior part of the frame and have it close to where sights are without it reciprocating. 🤔. Making another coolWalther pistol 🔫
If it's anything like the PDP F but SLIMMER I'm all in....awesome firearms. I love my PPS M2 also by the way. It just lacks in capacity if that is such a thing. I'm glad Walther is getting into the MICRO COMPACT game finally. the only two firearms Walther makes that I do not like at all are the PPK and that horrible 22lr without the slide release.
@@Renaldo135 Yeah, the PPS is so under appreciated. I don’t mind a single stack one bit… but this looks like it’ll have some interesting innovations, regardless.
I'm old enough to remember when H&K was on the cutting edge of firearms development. The H&K P7 handguns and the H&K , 91, 93 and 94 are examples of this. Now they just have the P30s and the outragously priced MR556. Both that are about twio decades old.
I mean, they still offer a level of quality / QC that’s second to none. I just find their modern offerings to be-generally-less shootable than competitive offerings.
A tad disappointment in this, was expecting a little more ambitious design for this market. I would hoping maybe something like a DA/SA striker design from the P99 scaled down to a micro compact format. Still, I'll still give it a chance.
I'd love to see that too, but sadly, the demand for DA/SA is dwindling big time and from a manufacturer's POV, it's a much riskier endeavor than it used to be, in terms of sales #s.
I would love to see a DA/SA slim boi’, too. Don’t even really care about the capacity. But… that’s not the world we’re living in. But it looks like Walther is incorporating some interesting mechanical innovations into this, nonetheless.
I love the PPS, too. The gun is such a nice, accurate shooter. Plus, the trigger is a good weight for carry. For me, it’s gonna tough to beat the PPS, regardless of capacity.
May get another round or two in a true double stack mag that doesn't taper to single to feed like current stack & a half so if you can get 12 & 15 instead of 10/13 in same height on a micro that matters. I can make a vid plugging this and your work if you want?
@@DanTheWolfman Ah, that makes sense! I guess that’s why the Steyr GB was able to get 18 rounds in the mag. And yeah, man… if you wanna plug me, I won’t complain! I really appreciate it. I’ll return the favor in my next vid!
Can’t wait need now. 😂 honestly tho, it’d be sick if it could fit p365 mags but doesn’t use them. My 226 uses walther mags and my buddy’s m&p can take walther mags. The cr920 can take p365 mags but that’s kind of a hit or mis on if it sticks in or not. But I’m stoked. Not looking forward to the price when it first comes out but it’s gonna suck seeing walther enter the chat.
@@protoculture289 That’s a really interesting parallel. Good point. Not a lawyer… but… “Beretta” is an entire brand/family name. But “ PDK” is just a product. Maybe there’s a difference, based on that? I dunno, though. IP law is subject to interpretation.
I love Walther, after trying a ton of single stacks the PPS was the winner for me. But man do they suck at innovation and listening to their fans. Want a high cap, red dot PPS? Nah heres a PDP in green tho...
Haha. And don't forget the comped PDPs with mag-wells and the threaded PPK/S... that they just announced at TEQfest. Yeah, kind of a disappointment. I still think we'll see a compact 9mm at some point. The PDK trademark still hasn't cleared, last time I checked. Thanks!
It's never time to make a "reasonable assumption" with Walther. Their marketing and design decisions for the last decade have been totally against all reason and profitability.
Fair enough. But in some ways I guess it’s good-they don’t follow. They write their own ticket. I just wish they’d put decockers or F’n safeties on their modern guns.
I really do not understand what all the micro compact craze is all about. First off the 9mm cartridge is a neutered projectile it has a very low expansion rate that everyone seems to want a 2 inch barrel compensated there by taking even more of it's potential away turning it into a .380. Although the .380 is a fun gun to carry I would not depend on it to defefend my life with. However, in Europe they love it (Walther PPK).In the end who cares what you have even a slingshot with adequate shot placement can disable an attacker (David and Golith).Maybe consider the fact that biggerprojectiles provide a larger margine for error in a paniced situation. The best policy is to train, train. train with whatever you have.
Nice Bro....I did the 1st big vid on HK Micro...may only stay in Germany for Tier 1 spec...maybe HK doesn't want to sell guns that don't hold up well past 10k like a p30 that goes 93k+ is something I've heard . I very much like p99 or ppq more than thick heavy slide pdp. PPQ SC is excellent but got slept on as Micros p365 thrn Hellcat happened. Wish Walther would hook me up w T&Es they are Subscribed to my channel & have two of my Unboxing vids in a playlist.... @WaltherArms @WaltherFirearms ...Walther I'd love to be early on a Micro PLEASE or a PPQ45 if any still around!
@@DanTheWolfman That’s interesting. So you don’t think we’ll get the HK SFP9/VP9 CC in the states? And yeah-I love the P99 because it’s DA/SA. Don’t think we’ll ever see that again. I’d watch your walther T&Es, Dan! Take care my friend.
I actually emailed Walther a few weeks ago to give them positive feedback on the PDP Pro that I just purchased, and to voice my wishes for a gun just like what you’re talking about here, a staggered stack, P365/Shield Plus/Hellcat style micro-compact, and the guy who emailed me back within 48 hours said that he and others inside Walther are indeed pushing for this! Super cool to see more evidence of it.
Nice! That’s good to hear. I’d be surprised if we didn’t hear something about it in sept.
Nice work! A slimline PDP is an instant buy for me
Yeah. I think they’d print money if they offered something in that vein. Though this thing looks like it incorporates some unique innovations, apart from the PDP. Thanks!
Excellent sleuthing. This is very promising....🍻
I'll be particularly happy if they stay with the paddle mag release.
Thanks, bro! Fingers crossed we’ll see something…
Classic PPS are legitimately underrated. Love the paddle mags, love the ergos, love the accuracy. Prior to my VP9SK, it was my most carried 9mm.
100% agree. It’s shootability of the PPS that attracts me. And any new offering would have to retain that, to hold my interest-regardless of capacity. Plus, I feel the PPS’s trigger weight is a good compromise for carry, without a manual safety.
I have two of them. My favorite version of the PPS. I had an M2 and sold it. Didn't like it at all.
I wouldn't be surprised to see Walther to release a new compact gun soon. They're behind on doing so, and Walther is very US centric, so seeing these patents likely means that there will be a gun.
Good insights. Thanks, Paul! Yeah, I feel like they need some kinda new iron in the micro-compact fire. Though sometimes I wonder if they’re trying to be more strategic about the release, with HK’s new hotness lurking around the corner. Though comments suggest maybe that’s not living up to the hype. We’ll see.
@@HipsterTactical Truth be told, I doubt the SFP9cc/VP9cc will be coming stateside anytime soon. HK is so cagey with selling stuff stateside.
Don't count on it. I've stopped waiting on Walther to finally enter the compact market with a competitive offering.
@@stopthephilosophicalzombie9017 oh, I don’t expect them to do it soon-soon, but just sooner than HK. I won’t be buying any new Walthers anyway, I’ve got my support infrastructure for Glocks/Revolvers these days.
@@Paul_Whaley The HK micro 9 is already in production. It's supposed to hit the U.S. market sometime in 2025.
It is definitely a double feed ramp so they can feed from either side of a mag. Will be very interested to see the capacity
@@nathanpepper6293 Yeah, what’s weird is that they’ve got a patent for a single-feed magazine on there. So… not exactly sure how reconcile that with the dual feed ramp. Maybe that mag patent is unrelated?
Very cool!!!! Message to Walther. Build it and take my money
Maybe they’ll notice this video and come clean! Probably not…
Always educational.
@@nolagospeltracts8264 Thanks, my friend!
Nice sleuthing, my friend. I also still love and carry the PPS. i have both an M1 and M2 models. Great carry guns, and they shoot great.
@@fcb6288 thanks, my friend! Yeah, I dig the M1s. The M2s I’ve handled feel really nice too.
Good find
Thanks! Really curious to see what comes out.
@@HipsterTactical they have to be pretty desperate for a micro at this point. I really wish they could figure out a way to shrink the P99 or PDP design
@@Sig_P229 Man, I’d love a slim, small P99. I had the compact P99… still fat… just kept the full size. It occurred to me that maybe Walther is waiting for HK mini pistol to drop so they don’t come off as a “me too.” But… who knows…
@@HipsterTactical "Man, I’d love a slim, small P99"
Shutup and take mah money!!!
@@bsmithhammer me too!!
Glad to see videos from you again, YT has had you off the grid or something
Thanks! Weird. I have been seeing fewer subs, over the past month or two. Hopefully this bucks the trend.
Nice job detective. 🕵️♂️
I don’t need more than 8 rounds for carry . For home defense is 15+1 . Self defense is right in front of you you unload a mag that would mean he is running away or far in the distance which you go to jail . Real self defense is 1-3 shots there no more time for anything else . That’s why people get charged with murder when they can really understand what’s self defense . It’s quick right in front of you and no time to reload or thinking you need to 15 shots
@@True-word74 I agree 100%. Never really felt the need for more than a single stack for carry. Honestly, the PPS works for me-it’s such a nice shooter. Of course I’m curious about new guns from Walther… but I don’t feel I’m missing anything with the PPS. Except for maybe the P99 trigger in a PPS for factor. Damn. That would be awesome. Thanks!
@@HipsterTactical I have the pps m2 le I bought 2 of them it’s my favorite gun by Walther . I have also the pdp F 3.5 inch . Awesome gun but the pps is still my favorite it’s what I carry 80 percent of the time only other carry gun I like is the fn reflex . Trust me I shot lots of Walter’s friends have the pdp q steel frame it’s heave shoots great but has no purpose for me .
As much as I'll miss the P99, I love the fact that Walther keeps releasing new stuff and they keep evolving constantly. The PDP looks neat and this potential new gun they got cooking up looks pretty hot honestly
@@deanster3435 Yeah, it looks like a really innovative, well thought-out pistol. Looking forward to September when they announce stuff.
If Walther comes out with a double stack PPS, it will without a doubt be my favorite gun and the new and only carry gun for me. And if it's cut for an optic, I just might sell all my other striker fired compact and sub compact guns.
I hope they do, bro! We’ll probably find out this weekend.
Love that this man gives no fucks about doxing himself and straight up is dedicated to the video!
Ride or die, homey!
Pattent surfing 🏄♂️ is so cool. Thanks hipster man. Keep it up, it is unique and interesting. Mr Hypster industrial spy. No one does it on TH-cam for guns. It could be a great alternative as you tube gets stricter with gun channel. Showing a couple of drawings and speculations from each brand would be fun!! It should not go against the new policy
Thanks, buddy! Yeah, people love to speculate… including me.
@@HipsterTactical I’m just speculating that with center rail you could mount an optic at the posterior part of the frame and have it close to where sights are without it reciprocating. 🤔. Making another coolWalther pistol 🔫
If it's anything like the PDP F but SLIMMER I'm all in....awesome firearms. I love my PPS M2 also by the way. It just lacks in capacity if that is such a thing. I'm glad Walther is getting into the MICRO COMPACT game finally. the only two firearms Walther makes that I do not like at all are the PPK and that horrible 22lr without the slide release.
@@Renaldo135 Yeah, the PPS is so under appreciated. I don’t mind a single stack one bit… but this looks like it’ll have some interesting innovations, regardless.
This looks like their ccp m2 pistol that's already out... maybe an update of that idk
Still rock my PPSM2 love it. Hoping for a new release. I'll wait out more and see. The HK CC9 is calling though.
There's a slick concept rendering of a PPS M3 circulating on Reddit.
@@nealpmcdaniel I’ve seen that! It’s neat. Don’t think it’s related to this in any way, though.
HK is going to wait for the 365 to be out a full 10yrs before releasing the vp9cc in the USA. So behind…
I'm old enough to remember when H&K was on the cutting edge of firearms development. The H&K P7 handguns and the H&K , 91, 93 and 94 are examples of this. Now they just have the P30s and the outragously priced MR556. Both that are about twio decades old.
@@lanceblinent7909 Yeah, sadly those days are long gone. HK seems to mostly be living off of nostalgia these days, rather than innovation.
I mean, they still offer a level of quality / QC that’s second to none. I just find their modern offerings to be-generally-less shootable than competitive offerings.
@@HipsterTactical Love HK (even if they don’t love us 😜) but they really have missed out in the US single stack market.
A tad disappointment in this, was expecting a little more ambitious design for this market. I would hoping maybe something like a DA/SA striker design from the P99 scaled down to a micro compact format. Still, I'll still give it a chance.
I'd love to see that too, but sadly, the demand for DA/SA is dwindling big time and from a manufacturer's POV, it's a much riskier endeavor than it used to be, in terms of sales #s.
There are a lot of people waiting for that. There’s already a hundred options if you want a polymer striker fired subcompact.
I would love to see a DA/SA slim boi’, too. Don’t even really care about the capacity. But… that’s not the world we’re living in. But it looks like Walther is incorporating some interesting mechanical innovations into this, nonetheless.
I've carried the PPS M1 since 2010. Maybe it will finally be retired.
I love the PPS, too. The gun is such a nice, accurate shooter. Plus, the trigger is a good weight for carry. For me, it’s gonna tough to beat the PPS, regardless of capacity.
May get another round or two in a true double stack mag that doesn't taper to single to feed like current stack & a half so if you can get 12 & 15 instead of 10/13 in same height on a micro that matters. I can make a vid plugging this and your work if you want?
@@DanTheWolfman Ah, that makes sense! I guess that’s why the Steyr GB was able to get 18 rounds in the mag. And yeah, man… if you wanna plug me, I won’t complain! I really appreciate it. I’ll return the favor in my next vid!
@@HipsterTactical was going to but getting too dark & starting to rain I'm in car doing security
should not interfere, our company made a light called Surge i believe and that was in wide use but not for a light so it was permitted
Keep it under $500 msrp.
Word. I could see it being on the cusp, in terms of MSRP.
Dang! You Tube took down another one of my comments.
I got the last one…
I had another comment
It's been getting ridiculous with the censoring lately. 😡
@@bsmithhammer Seems like they don't like you mentioning certain g_ns by name
Can’t wait need now. 😂 honestly tho, it’d be sick if it could fit p365 mags but doesn’t use them. My 226 uses walther mags and my buddy’s m&p can take walther mags. The cr920 can take p365 mags but that’s kind of a hit or mis on if it sticks in or not. But I’m stoked. Not looking forward to the price when it first comes out but it’s gonna suck seeing walther enter the chat.
Wow, you are a spy ✌️
I had sources… on the Walther Forums 😉
I think the name does matter. Just ask Chevrolet when they got sued by Beretta
@@protoculture289 That’s a really interesting parallel. Good point. Not a lawyer… but… “Beretta” is an entire brand/family name. But “ PDK” is just a product. Maybe there’s a difference, based on that? I dunno, though. IP law is subject to interpretation.
I love Walther, after trying a ton of single stacks the PPS was the winner for me. But man do they suck at innovation and listening to their fans. Want a high cap, red dot PPS? Nah heres a PDP in green tho...
Haha. And don't forget the comped PDPs with mag-wells and the threaded PPK/S... that they just announced at TEQfest. Yeah, kind of a disappointment. I still think we'll see a compact 9mm at some point. The PDK trademark still hasn't cleared, last time I checked. Thanks!
Still no news.
@@toddparsons2980 nope. I still think we’ll see something… I mean, the patents for the HK CC9 were floating around for years before it came out.
Pdp f 3.5 in 30 super carry ..21 rounds
I’m getting ASP vibes here
By the time Walther and H&k
come out with their micro's the market should be gone lol!
It's never time to make a "reasonable assumption" with Walther. Their marketing and design decisions for the last decade have been totally against all reason and profitability.
Fair enough. But in some ways I guess it’s good-they don’t follow. They write their own ticket. I just wish they’d put decockers or F’n safeties on their modern guns.
@@HipsterTactical I find safeties superfluous to a good holster but to each their own.
I really do not understand what all the micro compact craze is all about. First off the 9mm cartridge is a neutered projectile it has a very low expansion rate that everyone seems to want a 2 inch barrel compensated there by taking even more of it's potential away turning it into a .380. Although the .380 is a fun gun to carry I would not depend on it to defefend my life with. However, in Europe they love it (Walther PPK).In the end who cares what you have even a slingshot with adequate shot placement can disable an attacker (David and Golith).Maybe consider the fact that biggerprojectiles provide a larger margine for error in a paniced situation. The best policy is to train, train. train with whatever you have.
Hmm
Exactly!!
Good sleuthing.
@@allenc4909 thanks, man!
Nice Bro....I did the 1st big vid on HK Micro...may only stay in Germany for Tier 1 spec...maybe HK doesn't want to sell guns that don't hold up well past 10k like a p30 that goes 93k+ is something I've heard . I very much like p99 or ppq more than thick heavy slide pdp. PPQ SC is excellent but got slept on as Micros p365 thrn Hellcat happened. Wish Walther would hook me up w T&Es they are Subscribed to my channel & have two of my Unboxing vids in a playlist.... @WaltherArms @WaltherFirearms ...Walther I'd love to be early on a Micro PLEASE or a PPQ45 if any still around!
@@DanTheWolfman That’s interesting. So you don’t think we’ll get the HK SFP9/VP9 CC in the states? And yeah-I love the P99 because it’s DA/SA. Don’t think we’ll ever see that again. I’d watch your walther T&Es, Dan! Take care my friend.