I reworked three of my chapters (so basically like 9 chapters from the old story) and I finished up two pictures. That's very productive for me :D Also, I uploaded two chapters and one one shot yesterday. Pretty proud of that.
I use artfol, but it’s more of an app to connect with other artists and find artist friends than getting a large following. So if you look for the latter you might be disappointed but I really love artfol, I’ve been using it for over two years and found amazing people on there
As someone who is just now warming up to posting art online after years of quietly building my skills, all this stuff about companies screwing over artists nowadays makes me feel like I'll have nowhere to go and safely present my creations to the world.
Same. After polishing my skills for two years, I can't draw and post anything nowadays without feeling anxious about having my hard work stolen by some lazy and disrespectful people 🗿 Not to mention having no audience, while the thiefs who merges other people art gets thousands of views, likes and praises in the comments. AI is the future, but only for the money greedy scammers..
Honestly, art sites should do something liek pixiv did: Add a special "AI generated" tag and add a setting that allows you to hide all and any art with that special tag. It works really well.
the problem is that there are people who refuse to say that it is AI, and the worst thing is that it is full of people who do not understand about saying that it really is not, defending the person
@@reborn_neo_art I for one can not give any suspension of disbelief for users of Ai-illustration generators because of this : the TRANSPARENCY. Because saying that you made something (as in drew/painted/sculpted/etc from scratch) isn't the same as make-believe "made something" aka generating. It doesn't have the same punch. As some other youtuber already said, that's blatant misinformation, if not lie, about the content that's presented ... almost like reposting something that ain't yours w/o credits on your account. 🙄
@@reborn_neo_art totally! But that isn’t any different then people lying about how/if they made what they posted which isn’t ever going away. “You traced this” “this isn’t your art” etc. The problem with DA isn’t the fact that they allow ai art to be posted but rather that they teamed up with AI programs when it is very controversial and not regulated yet. The best they can do is add a category and then make the AI something you can choose to opt in to. I am personally not a fan of AI art without regulations to keep job security and force ai to only use art that is given to it for training data rather than let it run wild online, but for now the best anyone can do is say “please put it in the tag” and not engage with the art while we rally for ai art regulation.
@@dork7546 I try the ai free it didn't cost me anything but I just try it once out if curiosity but I honestly don't agree with this but to behonest where are artist gonna go sens no matter where we go people will take are art and put it into AI the only reason I'm still on da is cuase it help me grow back in 2011 I'm sad where it come to I'm hopwing old deviant one day that love the old deviant art will buy it and listen. To people and put it back to the way it was
@@fellinuxvi3541 I am a professional artist and I honestly think people are just exagerrating. AI generated art is never going to replace real artists because even the better generators only have to offer stuff that looks uncanny and even hard to read. If anything, this reminds me of how actors back in the 2000's thought movies that use all mocap animation, like Polar Express are gonna put them out of bussiness. They didn't because they were uncanny and people only wanted to check them out at first out of curiousity but we got tired of this technical advancement really quick. I am positive the same will happen to AI generated art.
@@dork7546 That's fine, but history has always proven people like you wrong. In the end, technology is already advancing scarily fast, and we have seen how quickly visual art has been pumped out and won a few contests, it's only a matter of time until written art does the same thing. The comparison with mocaps is also incorrect because mocaps are tools, they can't replace an actor, only enhance/distort an actor, but nowadays, people are actually paying to acquire the rights to an actor's likeness and recreate them (even revive them) digitally, those fears are still coming true and getting worse by the second.
Something I always liked about it was the image quality. They didn't compress pictures as much, or at least not as noticably. Instagram has the worst compression and restrictive dimensions, while Twitter and Tumblr are pretty high quality to a certain extent, but DeviantArt was ways up there.
That's why I still prefer using deviantart more then other apps, deviantart doesn't mess up your images. Regardless of the ai thing too, I prefer staying.
Before the AI came and we were all forced to use Eclipse, I told everyone who wanted to go to deviantart(those were mainly minors), that they should rather use artstation or weasyl. i'm honestly only staying there because my autism has a problem staying away from what i used to call home. every other platform which marked big as "we're like deviantart but better" honestly gave in in the same year. it's honestly sad seeing the world crumble like this.
You hit the nail!!! It used to be home😭😭! I remember opening da every morning when I wake up and looking at all my favorite artists before I started practicing drawing. Now the homepage doesn’t even look the same 😭😭
@@MohammedAgbadi and is filled with porn. it's such a well known fact, that porn artist come to upload their porn on the site; without knowing DA is not supposed to be a porn site.
I am in that same boat friend. Every other artsite I've tried hasn't given me a strong enough feeling for me to actually leave DA. The only thing that has kept my attention to it is Toyhouse.
@@MohammedAgbadi TBH I lost my faith in DA when I realised they stopped actually putting users' latest submissions on the default home page, instead filling it up with Core Members' uploads, and made it so you had to consciously click over to another tab to see the true latest uploads. Then the Eclipse nonsense happened. I then moved to FurAffinity, where I discovered FA still has their true latest uploads (and an easy-toggle SFW filter) on their front page. Their forum is also pretty old in layout, but a wonderful place to talk to both other artists and potential clients. That's where I tell my friends to upload now to build their art following, with, of course, a fair warning about the troll raids that still occur, the occasional site crash, etc. I get that FA has a reputation, but IMO the majority of it is caused by people a. confusing it with e621, and b. not using the SFW toggle and then acting shocked when they see something that isn't.
Honestly I go back due to it helped.me.grow back on 2011 but it also the only art site I know I mostly like the lay put in the profile in the fave,gallery and profile
NFT, AI, tracers, twitter shit verification, man... trying to make a living from art is becoming impossible for artists, is so sad, already we also have to deal with scammers, people who ask for paypal refunds once paid and completed commissions, being a freelance artist is becoming impossible.
Unfortunately, it’s the same with a lot of freelance careers. I went back to working a regular job after 20+ years of freelance (writing and design) because I got sick of practically begging for work while competing with 307597345 other people on every freelance site, most of whom are charging a fraction of what I would charge and still be able to pay my bills and eat ramen once in a while. I make a lot more money now, with a lot less stress.
¿¡What the heck do you mean about: "NFT, ai, tracers, twitter shit verification, man... Trying to make a living from art is becoming impossible for artists. Is so sad. Already we also have to deal with scammers, people who ask for PayPal refunds once paid and completed commissions, being a freelance artist is becoming impossible and everything-blah-blah-blah.", Why the tutti fruitty heck do you say that!?
I'm still on deviantart, and I literally get weird fetish requests almost every single day, even tho I already posted that I don't take requests or do this type of art... It's extremely annoying.
Nothing really quite prepares you for the day some random stranger messages you on dA asking for a request, and when you go to their profile it's full of nothing but a very specific, niche type of fetish art. Like I wonder what the request is gonna be from the guy who's entire page is full of anime girls being wrapped up and constricted by snakes, I can only wonder. Da really is something else.
@@theavootar so first off, the weird fetish stuff on dA is so prevalent that's one of the main things the site is known for, if you do any amount of searching on the site it comes up so it's not "just them". Second off, can you please spell check before you post?
@@velvi8359 omg i thought this was an isolated experience ... you cant even imagine my relief knowing i'm not the only one, lol. prolly makes it worse because i was like 12-13 at the time 💀quickly stopped doing reqs after that, lmao.
The thing I hate about AI generated pictures is, that users think they are the artist when they are not. Neither is the person who created the AI - at best, it’s the AI that is. Users simply request a picture from it just like when they commission an artist (and then they take the picture and state it’s theirs because they told the artist what to draw). I already stated that, without all the artists around the world, AI users wouldn't have something to play around with now. And I won't change my mind about that. It's not art. I didn’t delete my account on Deviantart because the damage has already been done. I just won’t upload anything on there anymore (I used it less since Eclipse anyway). Thing is, you’re not safe on the internet as an artist. No matter where you upload your art, people are there to steal it. Protecting your work with watermarks is also getting harder because there are watermark removers, that already work quite well. I struggled to go back to drawing after my corona infection, but the feeling that you’re not safe anywhere and the possibility of your pictures being stolen by AI after putting a lot of work into them is just so devastating…
Don't worry, the US government recently stated that AI art is NOT protected by copyright!! It won't stop people from stealing but it will definitely stop them from selling and most importantly make companies think twice about using AI art!
I was honestly thinking of returning to DA after uploading a piece I had made for a friend. I stopped using DA due to staff favoring the art thief and not me the true artist of the piece. They blamed me when I contacted them about someone stealing my art. Staff stated if I were to continue to lie I would be banned from the site. Come to find out the person who stole from me has done it in the past and was either friend or brother to someone on the staff. So they took their word over mine. But the site taking art without artists permission was a huge slap in the face and the final nail in the coffin for me.
I wouldn't recommend going back, unless you put a huge watermark on your work, and lower the resolution, art theft has only gotten worse, and now you have the site promoting stolen art, and sometimes even giving it more publicity than the original artist. The site does so little to improve this situation, that the only way I've found to get thieves to shut down their account is to manually notify people that it's stolen art, they usually leave after getting several messages from people telling them to stop stealing lol
@@spicynoodles2742 Oh yeah, haha no, I never went back. I use Ko-fi to show off my work mainly commissions but I put a disturbingly loud watermark on it. I rarely ever show off original art work anymore. I don't know if anyone ever sees it because they don't have a like/love system yet. Yeah, I've tried that before and I got warned by staff to stop. Constantly telling people they are thieves is considered 'bullying' to them so after the first warn I never bothered. Let others handle it from now on.
I'm sorry that happened to you, I was trying DA once again too but it just doesn't feel as mainstream as it was in 2010s. Besides on my first day trying to join a club/community they were being very rude to me since I'm a beginner. The whole thing left a bad taste in my mouth, if thats the community I don't want it. Meh.
I never changed over to the new layout, but I assume you mean more than that XD Nowadays I only use it to look at other art, but then I don't really draw anymore.
I've been on DA for 18 years, and for me, the website really started to take a nosedive after Eclipse was pushed out. It became very apparent very quickly after that that the people behind the website and the current owners (wix, If I'm not mistaken) didn't really give much of a damn about what the community wanted, and straight up ignored feedback if it didn't fall in line with what THEY wanted to hear.
Leaving for eclipse interface was the stupidest reason to leave a website. A user interface have just changed, WOW big deal! If anything the eclipse boycotte just showed that people are just a bunch of sheep heard that religiously believe anyone with influence that 1 + 1 = 3.
@@artfoolosophy8580 the f you on about? Eclipse was just a warning we saw miles ahead. If they pushed it out, we knew it was going to become a service for old man on their 80s, rather than a service for the young artists like it was before.
DeviantArt doesn't need creators anymore. They can simply recreate the whole website with their stupid AI. It will be devoid of life and meaning, but hey, it's AI.
not true AI will never achieve the same level of sheer insanity that I see on the ‘new deviations’ tab everyday the artists i see on there are batshit insane, and they pull the most niche character ever from out their ass and make fetish art out of it, AI cant make that
honestly i saw alot of fetish art while i was making this video. but there still are alot of very good artists too still, the number keeps reducing everyday though
The funny thing is I never see much since it easy to bypass an some technically fatish art is still nice to the point sometimes its not even meant to be fatish art haha
Well no its not a porn site, because anything nasty I would make would get taken down and it was usually intercourse. So no, they don't support passionate, loving sex being depicted, but weird fetishes are fine.
Seeing how DA is now makes me sad. It was the first ever site I shared my art on and I still remember all the friends I made there and how much my art has changed, and the artists that influenced my work. Now it’s poorly maintained and the staff doesn’t listen to feedback. A lot of my favourite artists are gone, and I really don’t blame them for quitting. I’m STILL trying to find a new platform for my art, and I have no luck. 😞
I was introduced to deviantArt back in 2007-2008 when one of my classmates in high school was around the website and I thought it was so cool at the time so I signed up. My first art was made in MSPaint with a mouse (which was tricky to do but I got used to it) and among my first fandoms I drew in was Sonic and EarthBound but eventually I branched out overtime. Such a shame on how dA fell from grace since those days.
After showing my dad archives around 2007-2008 of deviantArt and he recognized it, He came looking once more on deviantArt, the last post from someone he followed was in 2016 and the first thing he told me was there's pawn on the front page
I remember at one point reporting someone who was literally just posting nudes, didn't even pretend to make it artistic or anything. Even in their descriptions it was just 'not artistic but here's a nude'. Definitely broke TOS, but they completely ignored me, and a few weeks later they got back to me saying they didn't think it broke TOS. This was YEARS ago already, but that's the point I kind of gave up on DA, because this was on the featured homepage, and nobody cared.
I remember someone making a video, because DA closed their account for doing NSFW, but the showed their art, there was nothing remotely similar to NSFW, then he showed users actually breaking DA tos on their accounts without receiving any kind of punishment, the worst thing is that there are several users who had the same experience,
I've had 2 accounts on DA, both spanning well across a decade and it's been fun going back and looking at the atrocities I thought we're decent drawings on both, but it was mind numbing to go through every single piece and manually delete them. More convenient to post on Discord/Instagram without the AI crap.
There was (and still is from what i found on google) an option called „managedeviations” on deviantart. You can put your old art in „storage” and it’s not anymore in your gallery, not visible to anyone, only to you when you go into the „managedeviantions” section again. I used it to wipe my old dA page after I got tired of minors copying my art and idolizing me and forcing me into being friends with them for art benefits (it still blows my mind how common it was on deviantart to have art status „requests - friends only” and people thought they were so smart asking out of nowhere „hey bro can we be friends plz???”). I know that it won’t be probably helpful to you anymore since you manually deleted every piece, but I hope it will help someone who doesn’t know that the manage option still exists.
My brother used to use deviant art and he was even a little popular. Now he just posts on twitter. He even made Da art of Mariah Carey and she hearted it. I’m so proud.
Great video! A thing to note about the "no ai" tag: It's honour based. It doesn't tell third party ai creators not to use it, but it basically only politely ASKS them not to use the art. As Deviantart's AI generator uses stable diffusion, nothing has changed. All the art stable diffusion has been trained on is still in DreamUp's database. They dance around this point saying they won't add pieces from Deviantart to DreamUp because they kinda know it's already in there already.
This is incredibly frustrating and upsetting to see for me, as someone who used DA as a teenager and now no longer has access to the old accounts I used (which sucks because I want to delete them). Honestly though once the eclipse update happened I took one look at it and never came back. I considered posting my art there again after the whole NFT thing, but I'm very glad I didn't now. I hope to see more artists campaigning against AI image generators, more needs to be done to protect our work from being stolen and used without permission.
i can relate. i've used the site since 2011 and just never came back after eclipse. i hated how it looks, i hated how clunky the UI is and i can't use my custom buttons anymore. thankfully i've changed my password and email before leaving after eclipse update. i painstakingly deleted all of my art off my account hours after that tweet from DA. such a shame this is how they go. i hope the site will never recover.
I'm a small artist with my only income coming from commissions. DA has been the platform where I've been able to find the most exposure (and even then, not even 2k followers) so the thought of leaving is really tough... I don't know where else to go, or how to build an audience from zero again. Its really devastating.
I understand what you feel so much :'( I don't know which platform can "replace" DA but you can post on your DA account a public message announcing you will go to a new platform so your actual audience can follow you. I have a lot of artist I love that left DA and gave a final message like this and gave the link of their new account so I can keep see their artworks.
Don't leave it, keep it to communicate with your watchers I almost stopped using DA 2 years ago but I still get commissions from people there Switch to another platform, let people who follow you know about it
Same, I built a small audience there, chatting with other users, and giving favorites, but the same hasn't worked for me on other platforms, I don't know how to move, or how hagstash works. Ironically, the closest thing that has worked for me is Amino communities, an app that is worse than DA in some ways :b
You should also know that recently ArtStation is being hit by the weird artists you'd see on dA, which feels infurating because Art Station was meant to be a professional website to post your portfolio, then dA started doing the professional portfolio system that AS has but its laughable because of fetish art sprinkled in! I joined dA in 2013 and it sucks to be falling from grace like this, only safe space to post art now and days at least for me is selective discord servers I'm apart of.
why so many people are against nsfw artists??? like, at the end of a day, they are also someone who is trying to earn for a living, or just draws for other people who are also into something that they like
Even before the AI announcement, dA had became the worst art site for newer artists and/or artists with small follower count with people bullying them and discourage them and their art. Which what happened to me when I decided to come back and this individual made me quit drawing and these staffs won't do shit and told me and other victims to just block them despite there's many cases of that individual. So yea thanks deviantart for discouraging artists and let bullies roam around and continue harassing other artists despite we reported them.
@@flax72l.a13 why are you all over this comment section being personally offended at people bringing up valid points? watch the damn video or leave jfc.
I think my worst experience on deviantART is approaching people who've traced or reposted other artist's works and then accuse me of being an asshole when they're the ones caught with their hands in the cookie jar, so to speak. So many times I've been called a 'troll' for linking to the site's copyright policies that I've commissioned an animated avatar of my persona troll grinning. The art thieves and recolor culture that runs rampant in the fandom communities there is probably the worst aside from fetish accounts. You also can't even cater your own experience because blocking taps out at 500 accounts. On the plus side, I can still report underage goblins successfully. And they take block evasion and post block harassment seriously. It's just a trick getting the staff to listen to you.
At least was that, mi worst experince as someone that has been there for ten years, mi worst was, i used to do art request and exchange, i made a one and a half month, storys for a guy, writting and correcting, i made for him, and he always delay his part, and after one and a half month i finish multiple storys, and when he pay, he give me tree draws that looks like something made by a five year old, and he didnt even want me to post them, after that i start seen the bad. No one do coments, no one interact, no one, do exchanges and worst, now the worst is not even AI, is patreon, or suscribe or pay walls, why have a pay wall gallery in an art gallery, it sucks, but mi worst experience a guy i see him start, and love his art, i told others and share, as time pass, the guy no longer put storys with the images, then the dreadfull, he put patreon, change his stile, no more request or suggest, he change the gallery and name, barely do something with his characters, no more exchange, no more suggesitons, only patreons and comissions he post more in patreons and pay, F the guy, he no longer care where he become big
The fetish Art existed for years, already when I started in 2010. Deviantart is just famous for that. The problem is the trending page. I don't want to get eyecancer by just clicking on the landing page. Also I wasn't active there anymore, because the Community features of that site are so old. They put out so many features to make money and look professional, but what made Deviantart really interesting, was chatting with people in the fandoms. Real professionals are better off with their own websites. So better invest in making fandom and community experiences. But there were never really clever ideas to bond the community together. Like Groupchats or drawing together tools.
i got into deviantart with fetish. i have two Accounts one without fetish and one with fetish ,the fetish one has tripple the success and Engagement my normal one is safe. even though deviantart was way better in the past it was literally a website where you could place your art online and honestly no other Website showed you art from pros to mid class to beginners. every other art sight has all these masters and show you never rookies , deviantart had shown you rookies that draw on paper and pencil and you couod build up but now deviantart tried following the current trend so hard it became soulless as the rest of the art sites showing you only professionals or AI Flood the easy Management parts like gallery ,folders ,folders in folders cost money, categories become harder to manage .
I left DA when they forced Eclipse onto us when we told them not to. They ignored us and did it anyway. I deactivated my account, which I had since 2008. I had only 180+ art-pieces and never got passed 110+ followers, and not many people left feedback unless it was fanart, which was kinda disappointing because I liked interacting with people. Lots of art kept getting stolen from people I followed and admired, some of my art was reposted on other websites including a hacked one, fetish art kept getting posted, pedophiles kept infiltrating communities, and the moderators didn't, and still don't, do anything about it. And when Eclipse came up to stay permanently, I couldn't tell where anything was anymore. Unfortunately, with the death of BuzzlyArt and FurAffinity, I don't think there will ever be another online art website like the early DA. And if DeviantArt ever does make a comeback, I don't think the site will ever regain the love and support its early days gave it.
I left the site as well after they shoved Eclipse down everybody's throats cause the UI was a heavy mess to the point I remember my laptop lagged, and the way notifications were arranged made it even unbearable compared to the intuitive layout of the old design. If DeviantArt ever tries to make a comeback it'll be extremely difficult to regain former users' trust after all the wrong choices and very poor management - of course if they ever try that. Up to this point as painful it is deep down (I've been there for over a decade), if the site closes it might be for the best, although the alternatives aren't many
Check out Inkblot. They started really small, but they wound up tripling membership in a week (and are still growing) due to DA shooting themselves in the foot like that. They weren't quite prepared for that kind of influx, but they have adapted admirably, are working on expanding their staff, are completely transparent about their budgeting, and they have actually LISTENED to their users. They actually have an art drive coming up, and I hope to participate so the site gets what it needs to grow. :)
apparently they removed the "you must be 13 or older to have an account" rule they've had since its founding, which meant a flood of minors WAY too young to be on sites like those joined. which of course makes the grooming issue worse i used to see kids 12 and under getting banned when they admitted their age, as that was a safety feature. unfortunately that's not the case anymore and it's very worrying, especially since there are very few truly kid safe, just for kids online spaces nowadays
as a furry, i can tell you the fandom as a whole has written off DeviantArt. the few that are left there are the minority that people will warn you about, because all the good ones left.
This is a really well put together video! I've been using DeviantArt for a couple of years now and it was genuinely heartbreaking to see so many people leave after the whole AI fiasco. DeviantArt has really been on a downward spiral since the implementation of DeviantArt Eclipse, with more and more users leaving after each bad and poorly designed update. I still use the site mainly because it feels like there still isn't many other practical alternatives for artists to go, and after building up a following on DA it would be hard to start from the beginning all over again.
Check out Inkblot. They started really small, but they wound up tripling membership in a week (and are still growing) due to DA shooting themselves in the foot like that. They weren't quite prepared for that kind of influx, but they have adapted admirably, are working on expanding their staff, are completely transparent about their budgeting, and they have actually LISTENED to their users. They actually have an art drive coming up, and I hope to participate so the site gets what it needs to grow. :)
I returned a year ago to check how the NFT detector worked, and was pleasently surprised how easy it was to just block the fetish and furry stuff that used to clog up the front page. Actually found some decent art there for a while. But now, as if the AI opt in wasn't bad enough, the front page is now being clogged up by automatically generated AI crap, and opposed to the fetish and furry artists, AI "art" generators doesn't even have the decency to tag their crap as such, so I can't simply filter it out. It's pretty awful right now, but I can't find another platform like that I enjoy using either. Twitter and DA sinking at the same time is not good.
Check out Inkblot. They started really small, but they wound up tripling membership in a week (and are still growing) due to DA shooting themselves in the foot like that. They weren't quite prepared for that kind of influx, but they have adapted admirably, are working on expanding their staff, are completely transparent about their budgeting, and they have actually LISTENED to their users. They actually have an art drive coming up, and I hope to participate so the site gets what it needs to grow. :)
Artfol is a great new platform for artists which has been doing pretty well so far, and they are working on a web release as well for those who prefer that.
it looks like a glorified Instagram copy which isnt good since that style encourages spamming art after art not really saving older works. you also cannot manage your gallery that much or have folders the only advantage is that it doesnt forces you to cut your Artwork but this isnt praise worthy
@@laisphinto6372 Don't know if it's been a while since you've been there but you can absolutely manage your gallery quite a bit and folders are very much a thing.
I remember I once posted my old Gemsonas on DA... I didn't really get a large following, but someone made fanart of them and I felt beyond bloody honored. Sure, it was clear the drawing was made by a very young artist, but the fact someone liked my characters enough to make fanart of them? It felt amazing. It's still a cute lil' drawing I remember to this very day every time I think of DA.
I remember being here as a kid. And while they are as cringy as I thought the memory would be, it still brought me happiness and even introduced me to generally anything fan based. Sad to hear about this, but all good things come to an end. 🤷♀️
I made an account a few months ago to go back to the site because of nostalgia, but when I saw how it was now, it was devoid of the charm it had when I was a kid. It's just not the same anymore. Even though I've found artists that I enjoyed on it, knowing that they sold themself to AI and all that stuff just makes me want to delete my account. I'm glad I never upload anything on it.
@@MohammedAgbadi The pleasure is mine. I learned (or at least I think/hope so) a fair bit from your art videos. Thank You so much for making them. And those rather sad and/or upsetting topics, as much as one would rather not think about them too much(especially if there's nothing we can do about them), I believe it does need to be talked about. Some light needs to be shed on those topics. Since if we won't do it - who will? It will be just swept under the rug, and number of unaware, clueless people will just grow. So ya, thanks again, for spreading awareness. At least I hope it is what it's doing, achieving heh.
I actually jumped ship from dA to Instagram. It's kind of sad that I was forced to delete all of my work there, since I've been on dA since I was a teenager. So it's kind of where my artistic roots were. I couldn't quite bring myself to fully delete the account in case they one day come to their senses (I'm not expecting them to do so, but a girl can dream), so I just deleted all of my work to protect it from their AI. The opt-out is more a friendly way of asking them not to, and it was not there for HOURS. I had missed the news because of timezones, so it might actually be too late to save my work. But I didn't want to risk my future drawings being used in that AI regardless of my choices in those options. I mainly make content related to my OC's, so given that my work is 100% original, I just can't really stick around and take a chance on stuff like this. On the NFT situation, I could still look towards that tool on dA to keep my work safe, but no such luck here. I've sadly already seen some old artwork of mine from an account that I no longer have access to on a site used to check if your work is used in AI training. But at least I can say that my future work is sort of safe now. Fingers crossed that my watermark will still help against something like this, because it helped my work not get stolen for NFT's, and all of the old work that's already fallen victim wasn't watermarked yet. All of my current work is watermarked, though.
I am someone who loves art and wanted to have a career in art,after heating about the ai winning the art contest,my motivation had hit an all time low and now news like this is just making me more upset. Especially I have just started to consider to post my artwork on the internet, yeah maybe not. Thanks for the video though it's great
I dunno if this helps at all, but I heard they are beginning lawsuits due to AI art theft. I don't think in its current stage that they are gonna be able to legally continue in this way. Draw for you for awhile. And avoid sites that AI bots pull art from.
I just hate a lot of the elements of the new UI with a burning passion. Who thought all those on hover elements that blink and move every second and every time you move your cursor even a millimeter lmao. There's also a lot of stuff uploaded that's just not art or writing or resources, such as unedited game screenshots. I just use it as an archive of my art now.
Good video, but maybe you shouldn't equate furry art with fetish art. The biggest problem with DA was the switch to Eclipse and the missing filters that DeviantArt removed. Eclipse did provide a design update, but so many features and customizations were removed. Very likely DA wanted to save money and make their site more marketable. The fetish art isn't even the main problem here, as you have to deal with it on every major site. It was Deviantart's bad algorithms and the lack of moderation. The thing with the AI has now finally killed Deviantart completely.
Thank you for this informative video. I was on deviantArt back in the days, from 2008 till 2014 (but I changed several accounts and usernames) and I enjoyed the community and the site very much at the time. Then I had no more time for online communities and deleted my accounts, but I never stopped drawing. Now I mostly draw on sketchbooks to develop my skills and be aware of my mistakes, but I don't feel like posting my art anywhere anymore. I don't know, I wasn't feeling the need of showing my works, maybe because I'm not a professional and I'm not interested in working with art. Despite that, I was still in search for a site or a community for artists lately because I kinda missed the atmosphere of deviantart, but things are gone too far now. Algorithms, art thieves, excessive censorship and now this AI invasion keep me away from dA and from posting anything on the internet, and I'm happy with that. I feel sorry for all the professional artists who can't find the right and safe place to showcase and promote their works.
Ok, but it’s not like DA was the only or even first place to have a lot of Rule 34 art. That’s happened on literally every art site I’ve been on before and after DA. In fact, DA was pretty strict about it. They have since made the AI an auto opt-out. But I def agree that should’ve been the default from the beginning. - Oh, you addressed that. Sorry! I’m personally still on DA. I couldn’t upload for a while when they did the Eclipse thing, but that’s been fixed and I was able to again this year. I’m with you about still loving it and hope they go back to how they were before. Like, that would be my wish too. Some of my fave artists are still there and it still has a lot of great features and options that other art sites don’t have. So, yeah, I really wish they’d fix their crap. Anyway, great video, thank you for addressing this, including how it was once a great place. I miss te old ‘green’ look too. (Also miss when they were more bluish-grey, I think it was…)
I was on deviant art from my 1st year in middle school till I was 23 and I made a lot of friends and learned a lot about art. I still regularly talk to one of those friends to this day! But once I turned 14 I started getting extremely creepy dm's. A grown man asked me for feet pictures, I just assumed it was an art thing and didn't understand the context so I sent the pictures and when I told one of my guy friends that was a mask maker on the website he got extremely upset and went after the guy. Not sure how that ended but my mask maker friend was a really nice guy that tried to look out for us younger kids on the website. I deleted my account last year. I was holding onto it for nostalgic purposes but i also have very bad memories from that website.
A writer, Cory Doctorow, has described what he calls 'enshittification', which kinda sounds like it might be what's going on here. "HERE IS HOW platforms die: First, they are good to their users; then they abuse their users to make things better for their business customers; finally, they abuse those business customers to claw back all the value for themselves. Then, they die."
I’m glad people are talking about this, it’s so heartbreaking to me because when I was young I’ve always wanted to post my art on deviantart. It was good during the first year and slowly things just got weird. Deviantart will always have a special place in my heart because it really did get my art out there before eclipse and this ai art thing. I hope future art sites can learn from the success of deviantart and the fails, I think this is a great lesson for anyone who would want to start creating an art platform. I’m now focusing on Insta, not the greatest of platforms but the show must go on somehow lol.
Thank you for talking about this. I've used the site just about every day since 2008. I've been through just about every change the site went through. It's been really disheartening to see the site basically jump off the deep end. With the introduction of the chat boxes, I am now getting spammed by all sort of bots and nft scams every single time I upload a piece of art. On my latest post, I got nearly 4000 views on it supposedly, but only 70 and not a single comment. The engagement is basically non-existent anymore. The views feel worthless.
It's such a shame to see DeviantArt end up like this. It was one of my favorite sites for over a decade but all the NSFW fetish art became way too much every time I checked the new posts page.
I am shocked you didn't go into Eclipse. I know so many people who left after that, are angry about it to this day (Myself included) And have lost access to roleplays in comment sections due to a still broken comment section they seem to refuse to fix.
deviantArt was on decline once when they first announed Eclipse & decided to get rid of their Old user interface, which everyone loved, that's how you knew dA was going fo fail miserably
I swear companies just look at upcoming technology, implement to keep up with trends,and don't consider their demographics/audience/userbase. Like it's pretty much a fact the majority of digital artists would hate to have their art used without their consent for AI generated art, hate NFTs, and have vocalized this on several social media platforma but companies implement it anyway and get shocked when their audience gets mad and stops using their platform. I know realistically that some higher up thought they knew better and forced this, but man to the average person it does seem like these companies hate money and are constantly sabatoging themselves. Personally I prefer having my art on my personal website and Instagram.
I remember back in 2013 when I first started using DA, loved it, met a ton of friends and then in 2020 or something they rolled out DA Eclipse the god awful new core membership...The previous membership model was just fine and genuinely so many of us absolutely loved it because we could code our pages and make them look really nice and polished (was also a monthly subscription but was honestly so freaking good)
The good old days sounds so funny knowing this was about DA, I don't miss the early sonic, mlp, and Pokémon art that I remember finding at the age of like, 10. Though I do at the same time, I miss the community and how it encouraged an artist to continue. But I am somewhat happy to see it slowly fade away, we loved it but it's high time that it died out. Finally we can say bye to the weird art and hello to new horizons, especially for newer artists. Kinda happy they shot themselves in the foot like this, time to see the doors close entirely.
The problem with DeviantArt for me is the amount of NSFW art, its honestly too much for me i literally cant scroll five minutes without being exposed to graphic p*rn i don't wanna see. Another problem is that im scared to death of people stealing my art, i honestly don't want to loose all of my hard work!😡
This reminds me how the internet used to be focused on trying to deliever a good experience for their users which in turn would give the advertisers an audience to market to, but now it seems like the marketers are the intended audience while the users are just there to be manipulated for the advertisers purposes.
My experience on DeviantArt 2010 vs 2020. 1.) 2010 was a good start for me to shared my drawing, making friends and categories to organize there. Badges to joined in, that's where the good old days. 2.) 2020 this is when I'm disgusted by the fetishes all over there, more creeps trying to role play every time I would read on the message or comments, getting annoyed by groups to invite me just to gained more members rather than appreciate your hard work on drawing, more trouble trolls all over there that they even send me a dead animal pictures just to make me feel worse and so does the rest of this video explained it all. I deactivate it after that incident.
As someone who does art as a hobby, I don’t really have that many problems with deviantart. I do think that some decisions that they made aren’t the best. Certainly how they handled the AI art situation was horrendous and I wish they moderated their side a bit better but otherwise I don’t really have that many problems. Of course I know I have a different perspective because I’m not trying to be a professional artist. But honestly, I think for most people who do art as a casual hobby deviantart is perfectly serviceable. Also, maybe this is me, but I personally don’t have that big of a problem with the nsfw stuff. You can usually easily avoid them. I will admit that some of the fetishes and nsfw stuff can be weird, but I’m also just not into shaming people for what they like. Again, it’s pretty easy to avoid, and most people actually put the right TW on the art. I think the biggest problem I have with the site is That they’re reporting system is shitty and how terrible it is to recover an old account. I honestly think if they had a better customer service and a better moderation team then it would be a bit better off.
I once posted an artwork on the site that was meant to be comedic and silly. However, it ended up getting a type of attention I... didn't intend for. It turned out the thing I had used for comedic effect was a fetish for some people... May've been my first view into that side of the platform. I wish I could manage what appeared in the suggested collections tab on my artwork or hide the tab entirely, so I could hide the weird stuff it had put along side and have people from the outside be able to look at my thing the way it was intended.
@@aidamammadova4313 I'm choosing not to say for the sake of being less associated with it. Actually, maybe it's fine... I drew a character being given a wedgie by a cuckoo clock
DeviantArt started sucking after they installed Eclipse. I also hate how they've let in so much porn and smut slipped into the site. They also took away the search feature on the favorites, so now it's nearly impossible to track down all the specific art you've faved.
I’ve browsed DeviantArt since I was 12. And though myself and a friend I made on there ended up on the uh…questionable side of the site, the platform gave me a chance to expand my horizons. Though I’ve moved on and my account is barely active, I do hope they soon get their act together. There are still amazingly talented people on there and communities and fandoms that are fun and inviting. Sometimes the weird or bad apples just sneak in or more accurately, walk in like they own the place
Great article. I stopped using DA for many years after getting so jaded with constant uploads of Sonic characters recoloured in MS paint, to the point where this once great site became a meme of itself. I only returned recently due to their AI announcement to delete my profile. I sadly do believe that DA has long since lost it's reputation & relevancy and is no longer the incredible site it once was so many moons ago now :-( The Llamas have left the building
you know.. it truly breaks my heart I too remember DA great days and every single time I see it going backward in every "modern" and attempted "site updates" still have good memories of it, I truly miss a place where I can find very creative people and original art as it was in DA good days - where it was mixed with many different medioms of art. it really was - a great place for artists to look at art and get inspired by others. I may be too naive to still believe in that? cuz many other places are not really in there, not as DA was in the first place.
DA is so flooded with AI generated images now that it almost makes you miss the time it was flooded with fetish art. Finding hand drawn art on DA now is like finding a needle in a haystack.
We should create deviantART accounts, create the shittiest drawings ever and opt in on the AI thing so that they can learn how to draw stick figures. 😌 That way we can sabotage art AIs
I have over 20 ai art tags blocked.. People still posting and bypassing the tag by not even adding that is AI made. Not to mention how mad these ai "artists" are getting if told they literally did nothing just add some key words
In this case let me quote sentence made by random guy, who decided to defend idea of AI art: "You all sound like the “traditional artists” who made a big fuss about Impressionists like Monet, Manet and Renoir among others. Don’t like anything new or different.When I started posting here ( meaning: on DA ) all artists of all styles were welcome. What happened to that idea?". This is just an example of response you can get from those "progressive" guys.
I think Deviant art tried to represent every artist no matter what ideas they brought to the table that's something you can't find on other sites that might have extreme censorship rules, images with gore horror or the slightest sexual suggestion get banned they kinda control what you draw
dA used to be my to-go place to post artworks... until the fetishy stuff have spiraled out of control. A combination of the fetishpocalypse, frustrations, the AI collab and a lot of bullshit made me hate deviantART.
@@MohammedAgbadiShame I was considering to return there, but after realizing the many crap I had to deal with - it's better that I don't and leave my page inactive.
I remember when I first started taking requests for a certain time, I had basic rules, no NSFW stuff, no art theft, etc, and yet I was still attracting the certain wrong kind of users, subtly asking for potentially fetishizing requests I would make purposefully not! It would suck because they would go at it saying things like "it would be funny" or act all innocent about the request. Asking for inflation art for oddly specific characters, asking for ship art, and whenever I look into the profile asking these requests, they would fetishize the very thing asked under the disguise of some kind, and I just had to avoid doing it in that manner. I seriously had to block a user because I suspected them of not only planning to steal my art, but also turn it into, get this...fart/sleep fetish art. I accepted requests under the impression of self-improvement and simple fun, not to fulfill fetish garbage fantasies! By the time I reopened requests, AND added restrictions against fetish art, it was SO MUCH more inactive, I am DEEPLY disappointed by this community, by the site itself that ENCOURAGES this mess, just all of it! And yet, I stay, why? I don't know even, maybe I am just holding onto hope that things will get better? I don't know, I don't get enough attention on Twitter, and somehow I have more on DeviantArt, there is just...no place for artists of any level, hobbyist or professional, and the algorithm is just bad for both sites, apparently it's a similar issue on Instagram? It really does discourage self-improvement and self-expression.
Like many other people it was my first art website. It's been hard for me to let it go even though it was overrun with a bunch of fetish stuff, in a way I liked that it had such a mix of everything that it wasn't too professional, it was okay to not be perfect and just learning. But on the day they did this I was done for good. Even though they have everybody's art for the AI already and it's too late to take it back, I still deleted everything including my "daily deviation" I had gotten that used to motivate me and make me happy, so I know I'm really done. Even if it was the only site where I could ever get any traction, this is still too much, DA I want a divorce.
Is the IA getting a regulation for the use of art? like copyright? If the IA can´t steal art from people then it will become obsolete, I hope things get better :(
Well, remember guys, every action has a consequence. Whether the good or bad. If something make bad decision, we should learn their mistakes. Also I hope you guys have an amazing tomorrow.
It was fun back then until I grew out of it. My account is still there, but has not been touched for a VERY LONG TIME. Didn't expect to hear that website again.
I finally abandoned my dA account months before my 10 year anniversary on it, lol. I owe a lot to it and early dA days are so nostalgic but oof.... The stories I have of entitled people requesting fetish art 🤡
I don't seem to be active on Deviantart anymore. but I will not deny that I never regret finding Deviantart in 2013. It was where I started digital art for the first time. Met some friends, who some I lost and moved on. But some who I still watch their art to this day, but on different platforms. I like looking back at my old Deviantart, and seeing how much I changed!
The fetish art was there since day 1. The difference now is all the non-fetish artists left so its more front and center and dA doesnt have good filters for fetish artists. Fetish art isnt why dA declined, dA declining is why fetish art is front and center now. Eclipse is what did it in for me and ever since Eclipse theyve just stopped listening to their users until the ai art thing had people threatening legal action. What killed dA is whoever the out of touch exec making the decisions against the userbase's will is. I will forever miss the html customization and actually readable layout of dA. No site ever compared.
About the AI thing. Clarifying that I don't mean that anyone should change their opinion, I just want to toss this out there because why not. Here's what I have generally now understood/read about the situation: - da automatically opts out art from ai things so the art is not used in ai learning unless you choose/consent your art being used. And da's own ai is supposed to be more ethical ai tool since it uses art on site which have been consented by the artist to be used (+ it credits the source materials) - twitter team worded their stuff terribly while mods were like "don't word it like this!" They still did mess up as they mashed up the news of the ai protection thing and their new ai tool at the same time for some reason. So yea, I understand why it was upsetting to hear and I was too. But I also think some users made a bit too hasty decisions to leave instead of assessing the situation a bit further. But people should also do how they feel most comfortable with as admittedly the news were pretty scary when I read them first time
Considering going to Artstation after all of this. I say *considering,* since I'm not at a professional level yet and more of a hobbyist. However, I'm writing an original graphic novel series and planning on turning comic-making into a career, so I'll probably need an ArtStation account eventually. And if it helps me gain an audience as I continue to hone my skills, then that'll make it all the better!
When this happened, a huge chunk of my comic’s reader base fled the site. I don’t blame them at all. I don’t know if this is some sort of sunk cost fallacy effect in my mind, but I have been on this website for over half my lifetime (18 years) so I really can’t picture just up and leaving because of this stupidity. I just know that if I have the opportunity to stand on my own with my art as product, it’s definitely not gonna be through deviantART.
I think they brought back categories, but yeah, ai art is everywhere in deviantart. And for 5 years, where I’ve been absent between some posts, I had just above 20 watchers and 110 posts, I was beginning to dive into posting on Instagram and art contest participation, deviantart seemed rather barren of great artists, heck, I followed more artists on instagram than on deviantart, and with some of the more prominent artists with a deviantart profile, they don’t seem to post their more recent works there. Only time will tell where I’ll post more. 😢
The thing about this situation is that not so long ago (as in, a few days o week prior) they asked people on twitter to drop their DA links in comments below a tweet, and they give everyone silver badges, and some people even got core (I got core for a month). Imagine my surprise when , wanting to come back to take advantage of that membership, I see those news :/
I discovered deviantart in the mid-2000s, but didn't joined in until 2009. I only post up my drawings for fun. Most of my old MS Paint drawings don't hold up very well, so I stick to paper and pencil. I also look up to artists who are highly skilled and follow them and favoriting their artwork, and I became friends with other artists. In recent years, I don't post up too much, and I'm very disappointed at the website at the moment due to some awful artwork I'm seeing.
I also discovered deviantart in mid-2000s where I didn't joined in until 2008 my older Artworks aren't hold up that well, but my 2010s Artworks and writings can hold up better
Deviantart has always had a lot of nsfw and fetish art. But so does, literally every other site. Twitter, tumblr, Insta, pixiv, etc... How easy it is to find it though is different per site and per person. The website has a setting where you can hide nsfw art if you really dont want to see it, but counting nsfw art as a point against the site is kinda dumb. The biggest issue I see here is the AI stuff, cuz my art on deviantart isnt even that good compared to others imo, but even I would want to be automatically opted out.
I really like DA, it was the first site where I shared my art, it's still the site where I have the most followers, and it still has, above all, a relatively healthy community, but every day it's harder to find good things about the site, and it's very frustrating as the site slowly does less and less to prevent art theft, or do anything to improve the overall experience. It's been three times now that I've found DA promoting stolen art, over the original artist, and other artist have told me they've found even more cases. When they made Eclipse and made it mandatory, a lot of photographers and artists that I followed left, because they simply didn't understand the interface of the platform. DA received a lot of feedback from users on how to implement it and not change the interface so much, but they ignored it. Beyond that, they implemented Eclipse, when it was still in test phase and still had many bugs, not to mention that their chat system has been in Beta for three or two years now, and they haven't improved anything since then. Personally I've never cared much for fetish art, art theft annoys me more, and anyway you have a button to block users, or not show +18 content, but DA is very bad at hiding all the NSFW art it has. I don't know why they don't just divide the platform into 2 sections or something, one for NSFW and one for SFW art, so everyone would have a specific space to put their work. The staff seems to care less and less about the site and the community, at this point I think they have given up, and probably another company will buy them, for better or worse, or they'll go bankrupt.
Tbh, I got to get this off my chest: it just feels so fucking lonely posting online for the most part. Maybe it’s because I’m a smaller artist but I don’t really get the engagement that I would like to have on social media when it comes to my art. And with Deviantart, though I have enjoyed using it I have been becoming increasingly uncomfortable with the other users on there as many of them have pretty bad quality fetish art. I even went through with a request and didn’t realize it was a fetish thing until after I started it. I just tried to make it as non-fetishy as possible but honestly I just feel queasy and all gross inside. I just want a place that I can talk about cartoons and post art without worrying about all this bullshit, is that so much to ask?
I've given 10+ years to that site. Did everything in my power to make 3d galleries to grow; won 3 large scale contests including Renaissance and Eagle vs Shark movie poster design contests, got 4 DDs and even worked as volunteer 3d gallery mod. Ended up deleting my whole senior account with lots of privileges in 2014 for work related reasons - I've never looked back and even today I'm glad I did.
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*_hey pretty, tell me something nice that happened to you this weekend..._*
something that isnt twitter
I guess, I decided to go back to streaming just this weekend.
I’ve been drawing pretty consistently as in style and even got back into grayscale
I reworked three of my chapters (so basically like 9 chapters from the old story) and I finished up two pictures. That's very productive for me :D Also, I uploaded two chapters and one one shot yesterday. Pretty proud of that.
Me and a group of friends watched the Addams Family. First time watching it for me.
man the internet as of late has been EXPLODING with companies shooting themselves in the foot, its amazing.
i have no idea what these ceos are smoking but it gotta be good
Love to see it in all honesty ☕️
@@MohammedAgbadi they are smoking the consequences of their actions😎
@@MohammedAgbadi they smoking that deluxe Zaza 🍃
@@ComposedSage75 Embrace the chaos
(つ≧▽≦)つ☕
At this point, we need a platform made by a community of artists for artists.
artfol is close, not perfect but i think it’s got potential
big agree
Artfol is close
I use artfol, but it’s more of an app to connect with other artists and find artist friends than getting a large following. So if you look for the latter you might be disappointed but I really love artfol, I’ve been using it for over two years and found amazing people on there
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Being an artist in 2022 has been a series of L’s
NFTs
AI Art
Elon Musk buying Twitter….
and now deviantart.
So many Ls like a driving school
@@MohammedAgbadi lmao i saw what you did there xd, but seriously, is discouraging, i have nowhere to go with my art, this is really scary
Im still gonna draws furries and amazing art works
Not to mention sheezy's 2nd death, Buzzly drama, and Artrise's stillbirth
Even not all upcoming deviantart alternatives fails like that
Don’t forget pixiv
As someone who is just now warming up to posting art online after years of quietly building my skills, all this stuff about companies screwing over artists nowadays makes me feel like I'll have nowhere to go and safely present my creations to the world.
I'm in the same boat... Maybe ArtStation is safe?
We need copyright system for visual art so they can't just use artist art without consent
yeah, i have the exact same predicaments as you. it almost seemed as if the universe is hostile to real artists. it fucking sucks
Same. World can go to sh!t real quick, huh?
Same. After polishing my skills for two years, I can't draw and post anything nowadays without feeling anxious about having my hard work stolen by some lazy and disrespectful people 🗿
Not to mention having no audience, while the thiefs who merges other people art gets thousands of views, likes and praises in the comments.
AI is the future, but only for the money greedy scammers..
Honestly, art sites should do something liek pixiv did: Add a special "AI generated" tag and add a setting that allows you to hide all and any art with that special tag. It works really well.
the problem is that there are people who refuse to say that it is AI, and the worst thing is that it is full of people who do not understand about saying that it really is not, defending the person
@@reborn_neo_art this can happen if you ban ai-generated art too though
@@reborn_neo_art I for one can not give any suspension of disbelief for users of Ai-illustration generators because of this : the TRANSPARENCY. Because saying that you made something (as in drew/painted/sculpted/etc from scratch) isn't the same as make-believe "made something" aka generating. It doesn't have the same punch. As some other youtuber already said, that's blatant misinformation, if not lie, about the content that's presented ... almost like reposting something that ain't yours w/o credits on your account. 🙄
@@reborn_neo_art totally! But that isn’t any different then people lying about how/if they made what they posted which isn’t ever going away. “You traced this” “this isn’t your art” etc. The problem with DA isn’t the fact that they allow ai art to be posted but rather that they teamed up with AI programs when it is very controversial and not regulated yet. The best they can do is add a category and then make the AI something you can choose to opt in to. I am personally not a fan of AI art without regulations to keep job security and force ai to only use art that is given to it for training data rather than let it run wild online, but for now the best anyone can do is say “please put it in the tag” and not engage with the art while we rally for ai art regulation.
The problem is that you can only block one tag per user
I can't believe they denied NFTS but embraced AI art
it's so confusing what they are doing
@@dork7546 I try the ai free it didn't cost me anything but I just try it once out if curiosity but I honestly don't agree with this but to behonest where are artist gonna go sens no matter where we go people will take are art and put it into AI the only reason I'm still on da is cuase it help me grow back in 2011 I'm sad where it come to I'm hopwing old deviant one day that love the old deviant art will buy it and listen. To people and put it back to the way it was
@@dork7546 I understand if people don't hate it, but in a world where you need to work to live it's legitimately dangerous.
@@fellinuxvi3541 I am a professional artist and I honestly think people are just exagerrating. AI generated art is never going to replace real artists because even the better generators only have to offer stuff that looks uncanny and even hard to read. If anything, this reminds me of how actors back in the 2000's thought movies that use all mocap animation, like Polar Express are gonna put them out of bussiness. They didn't because they were uncanny and people only wanted to check them out at first out of curiousity but we got tired of this technical advancement really quick. I am positive the same will happen to AI generated art.
@@dork7546 That's fine, but history has always proven people like you wrong. In the end, technology is already advancing scarily fast, and we have seen how quickly visual art has been pumped out and won a few contests, it's only a matter of time until written art does the same thing. The comparison with mocaps is also incorrect because mocaps are tools, they can't replace an actor, only enhance/distort an actor, but nowadays, people are actually paying to acquire the rights to an actor's likeness and recreate them (even revive them) digitally, those fears are still coming true and getting worse by the second.
Something I always liked about it was the image quality. They didn't compress pictures as much, or at least not as noticably. Instagram has the worst compression and restrictive dimensions, while Twitter and Tumblr are pretty high quality to a certain extent, but DeviantArt was ways up there.
Yes!!! Especially when you downloaded images, it was always high res
That's why I still prefer using deviantart more then other apps, deviantart doesn't mess up your images. Regardless of the ai thing too, I prefer staying.
Twitter turns images into crappy jpegs though lol
@@Cubicflow yeah ~ especially b4 you click on pictures to see the full image, it can look pretty rough lol
@@Cubicflow well, at least drawings with this quality are harder to steal and use for commercial, right?
Before the AI came and we were all forced to use Eclipse, I told everyone who wanted to go to deviantart(those were mainly minors), that they should rather use artstation or weasyl.
i'm honestly only staying there because my autism has a problem staying away from what i used to call home.
every other platform which marked big as "we're like deviantart but better" honestly gave in in the same year. it's honestly sad seeing the world crumble like this.
You hit the nail!!! It used to be home😭😭! I remember opening da every morning when I wake up and looking at all my favorite artists before I started practicing drawing. Now the homepage doesn’t even look the same 😭😭
@@MohammedAgbadi and is filled with porn. it's such a well known fact, that porn artist come to upload their porn on the site; without knowing DA is not supposed to be a porn site.
I am in that same boat friend.
Every other artsite I've tried hasn't given me a strong enough feeling for me to actually leave DA.
The only thing that has kept my attention to it is Toyhouse.
@@MohammedAgbadi TBH I lost my faith in DA when I realised they stopped actually putting users' latest submissions on the default home page, instead filling it up with Core Members' uploads, and made it so you had to consciously click over to another tab to see the true latest uploads. Then the Eclipse nonsense happened. I then moved to FurAffinity, where I discovered FA still has their true latest uploads (and an easy-toggle SFW filter) on their front page. Their forum is also pretty old in layout, but a wonderful place to talk to both other artists and potential clients.
That's where I tell my friends to upload now to build their art following, with, of course, a fair warning about the troll raids that still occur, the occasional site crash, etc. I get that FA has a reputation, but IMO the majority of it is caused by people a. confusing it with e621, and b. not using the SFW toggle and then acting shocked when they see something that isn't.
Honestly I go back due to it helped.me.grow back on 2011 but it also the only art site I know I mostly like the lay put in the profile in the fave,gallery and profile
NFT, AI, tracers, twitter shit verification, man... trying to make a living from art is becoming impossible for artists, is so sad, already we also have to deal with scammers, people who ask for paypal refunds once paid and completed commissions, being a freelance artist is becoming impossible.
Unfortunately, it’s the same with a lot of freelance careers. I went back to working a regular job after 20+ years of freelance (writing and design) because I got sick of practically begging for work while competing with 307597345 other people on every freelance site, most of whom are charging a fraction of what I would charge and still be able to pay my bills and eat ramen once in a while. I make a lot more money now, with a lot less stress.
¿¡What the heck do you mean about: "NFT, ai, tracers, twitter shit verification, man... Trying to make a living from art is becoming impossible for artists. Is so sad. Already we also have to deal with scammers, people who ask for PayPal refunds once paid and completed commissions, being a freelance artist is becoming impossible and everything-blah-blah-blah.", Why the tutti fruitty heck do you say that!?
I'm still on deviantart, and I literally get weird fetish requests almost every single day, even tho I already posted that I don't take requests or do this type of art... It's extremely annoying.
Nothing really quite prepares you for the day some random stranger messages you on dA asking for a request, and when you go to their profile it's full of nothing but a very specific, niche type of fetish art. Like I wonder what the request is gonna be from the guy who's entire page is full of anime girls being wrapped up and constricted by snakes, I can only wonder. Da really is something else.
Can attest to that. They even ask about gross humor (like toilet humour) as well. 🤢
@@theavootar so first off, the weird fetish stuff on dA is so prevalent that's one of the main things the site is known for, if you do any amount of searching on the site it comes up so it's not "just them". Second off, can you please spell check before you post?
@@velvi8359 omg i thought this was an isolated experience ... you cant even imagine my relief knowing i'm not the only one, lol. prolly makes it worse because i was like 12-13 at the time 💀quickly stopped doing reqs after that, lmao.
¡Well if you find It annoying, well i freaking don't find It annoying!!
The thing I hate about AI generated pictures is, that users think they are the artist when they are not. Neither is the person who created the AI - at best, it’s the AI that is. Users simply request a picture from it just like when they commission an artist (and then they take the picture and state it’s theirs because they told the artist what to draw). I already stated that, without all the artists around the world, AI users wouldn't have something to play around with now. And I won't change my mind about that. It's not art.
I didn’t delete my account on Deviantart because the damage has already been done. I just won’t upload anything on there anymore (I used it less since Eclipse anyway). Thing is, you’re not safe on the internet as an artist. No matter where you upload your art, people are there to steal it. Protecting your work with watermarks is also getting harder because there are watermark removers, that already work quite well. I struggled to go back to drawing after my corona infection, but the feeling that you’re not safe anywhere and the possibility of your pictures being stolen by AI after putting a lot of work into them is just so devastating…
¿¡What do you mean and why do you say that!?
Don't worry, the US government recently stated that AI art is NOT protected by copyright!! It won't stop people from stealing but it will definitely stop them from selling and most importantly make companies think twice about using AI art!
¡Uh, okay!...
@@ED-ww6vz unfortunately, people will find loopholes still. Selling under the table and whatnot
facts!!
This has always been a problem on Deviantart, thank you for addressing it.
Anytime!
@@MohammedAgbadi
I was honestly thinking of returning to DA after uploading a piece I had made for a friend. I stopped using DA due to staff favoring the art thief and not me the true artist of the piece. They blamed me when I contacted them about someone stealing my art. Staff stated if I were to continue to lie I would be banned from the site. Come to find out the person who stole from me has done it in the past and was either friend or brother to someone on the staff. So they took their word over mine. But the site taking art without artists permission was a huge slap in the face and the final nail in the coffin for me.
I wouldn't recommend going back, unless you put a huge watermark on your work, and lower the resolution, art theft has only gotten worse, and now you have the site promoting stolen art, and sometimes even giving it more publicity than the original artist.
The site does so little to improve this situation, that the only way I've found to get thieves to shut down their account is to manually notify people that it's stolen art, they usually leave after getting several messages from people telling them to stop stealing lol
@@spicynoodles2742 Oh yeah, haha no, I never went back. I use Ko-fi to show off my work mainly commissions but I put a disturbingly loud watermark on it. I rarely ever show off original art work anymore. I don't know if anyone ever sees it because they don't have a like/love system yet.
Yeah, I've tried that before and I got warned by staff to stop. Constantly telling people they are thieves is considered 'bullying' to them so after the first warn I never bothered. Let others handle it from now on.
I'm sorry that happened to you, I was trying DA once again too but it just doesn't feel as mainstream as it was in 2010s. Besides on my first day trying to join a club/community they were being very rude to me since I'm a beginner. The whole thing left a bad taste in my mouth, if thats the community I don't want it. Meh.
@@yehet1242 Yeah, clubs there are just...it's rare if you ever joined one that EVERYONE was really nice.
That sucks, I would hate working hard on my art just for someone talentless POS to steal it.
I miss old deviantart ;c
Me too. Why would Deviantart embrace these shitty changes?
I never changed over to the new layout, but I assume you mean more than that XD Nowadays I only use it to look at other art, but then I don't really draw anymore.
me too!!!!!
Same here.
Don't we all?
I've been on DA for 18 years, and for me, the website really started to take a nosedive after Eclipse was pushed out. It became very apparent very quickly after that that the people behind the website and the current owners (wix, If I'm not mistaken) didn't really give much of a damn about what the community wanted, and straight up ignored feedback if it didn't fall in line with what THEY wanted to hear.
Leaving for eclipse interface was the stupidest reason to leave a website. A user interface have just changed, WOW big deal! If anything the eclipse boycotte just showed that people are just a bunch of sheep heard that religiously believe anyone with influence that 1 + 1 = 3.
@@artfoolosophy8580 the f you on about?
Eclipse was just a warning we saw miles ahead. If they pushed it out, we knew it was going to become a service for old man on their 80s, rather than a service for the young artists like it was before.
And thus it will go under some day. You can offer any service for any price but its up to the consumers if they will buy it or not.
DeviantArt doesn't need creators anymore. They can simply recreate the whole website with their stupid AI. It will be devoid of life and meaning, but hey, it's AI.
¿¡What the heck are you talking about!?
@@flax72l.a13 Try watching the video first maybe.
¡Ehh no thanks no just! ¿Ok?
@@flax72l.a13 the hell do you need then
not true
AI will never achieve the same level of sheer insanity that I see on the ‘new deviations’ tab everyday
the artists i see on there are batshit insane, and they pull the most niche character ever from out their ass and make fetish art out of it, AI cant make that
I thought the site died when it started getting known for a certain fetish art
Which one? As someone still semi active last year, I saw multiple :/
@@Leader7353 inflation
honestly i saw alot of fetish art while i was making this video. but there still are alot of very good artists too still, the number keeps reducing everyday though
@@livingfire1 yeah, that checks out
The funny thing is I never see much since it easy to bypass an some technically fatish art is still nice to the point sometimes its not even meant to be fatish art haha
Most people call it a porn site, so I never went to DeviantArt.
I had no idea that genuine, quality art actually resides there. That's heartbreaking!
Bro my dad used deviant art and he was a very... VERY great artist
@@usedtobejecjec Does he display his art on another platform now?
Well no its not a porn site, because anything nasty I would make would get taken down and it was usually intercourse. So no, they don't support passionate, loving sex being depicted, but weird fetishes are fine.
@@dragongamerboi13 Intercourse is explicitly not allowed. Might want to check "What is DeviantArt's policy around sexual themes?"
@@usedtobejecjec bro u lucky
I started my first DeviantArt account when I was 15, I'm now 31. Its been sad watching it slowly devolve into its current form.
me too..
same year....same age.
Seeing how DA is now makes me sad. It was the first ever site I shared my art on and I still remember all the friends I made there and how much my art has changed, and the artists that influenced my work. Now it’s poorly maintained and the staff doesn’t listen to feedback. A lot of my favourite artists are gone, and I really don’t blame them for quitting. I’m STILL trying to find a new platform for my art, and I have no luck. 😞
I was introduced to deviantArt back in 2007-2008 when one of my classmates in high school was around the website and I thought it was so cool at the time so I signed up. My first art was made in MSPaint with a mouse (which was tricky to do but I got used to it) and among my first fandoms I drew in was Sonic and EarthBound but eventually I branched out overtime.
Such a shame on how dA fell from grace since those days.
!! earthbound! i remember making so much art of the mr saturns
@@ARCHIVED9610 The Mr. Saturns were so much fun to draw. 😆
After showing my dad archives around 2007-2008 of deviantArt and he recognized it,
He came looking once more on deviantArt, the last post from someone he followed was in 2016 and the first thing he told me was there's pawn on the front page
I remember at one point reporting someone who was literally just posting nudes, didn't even pretend to make it artistic or anything. Even in their descriptions it was just 'not artistic but here's a nude'. Definitely broke TOS, but they completely ignored me, and a few weeks later they got back to me saying they didn't think it broke TOS. This was YEARS ago already, but that's the point I kind of gave up on DA, because this was on the featured homepage, and nobody cared.
I remember someone making a video, because DA closed their account for doing NSFW, but the showed their art, there was nothing remotely similar to NSFW, then he showed users actually breaking DA tos on their accounts without receiving any kind of punishment, the worst thing is that there are several users who had the same experience,
There's groups for nudests
¿¡What do you guys mean!?
I've had 2 accounts on DA, both spanning well across a decade and it's been fun going back and looking at the atrocities I thought we're decent drawings on both, but it was mind numbing to go through every single piece and manually delete them. More convenient to post on Discord/Instagram without the AI crap.
Sha haha some times I go back and look at my old art and just 😊 smile
There was (and still is from what i found on google) an option called „managedeviations” on deviantart. You can put your old art in „storage” and it’s not anymore in your gallery, not visible to anyone, only to you when you go into the „managedeviantions” section again. I used it to wipe my old dA page after I got tired of minors copying my art and idolizing me and forcing me into being friends with them for art benefits (it still blows my mind how common it was on deviantart to have art status „requests - friends only” and people thought they were so smart asking out of nowhere „hey bro can we be friends plz???”). I know that it won’t be probably helpful to you anymore since you manually deleted every piece, but I hope it will help someone who doesn’t know that the manage option still exists.
Now Instagram too has joined the "feed Artists' work to AI" gang
My brother used to use deviant art and he was even a little popular. Now he just posts on twitter. He even made Da art of Mariah Carey and she hearted it. I’m so proud.
Great video! A thing to note about the "no ai" tag: It's honour based. It doesn't tell third party ai creators not to use it, but it basically only politely ASKS them not to use the art. As Deviantart's AI generator uses stable diffusion, nothing has changed. All the art stable diffusion has been trained on is still in DreamUp's database. They dance around this point saying they won't add pieces from Deviantart to DreamUp because they kinda know it's already in there already.
on top of everything else it's insulting how stupid they think we are.
This is incredibly frustrating and upsetting to see for me, as someone who used DA as a teenager and now no longer has access to the old accounts I used (which sucks because I want to delete them). Honestly though once the eclipse update happened I took one look at it and never came back. I considered posting my art there again after the whole NFT thing, but I'm very glad I didn't now. I hope to see more artists campaigning against AI image generators, more needs to be done to protect our work from being stolen and used without permission.
i can relate. i've used the site since 2011 and just never came back after eclipse. i hated how it looks, i hated how clunky the UI is and i can't use my custom buttons anymore. thankfully i've changed my password and email before leaving after eclipse update. i painstakingly deleted all of my art off my account hours after that tweet from DA.
such a shame this is how they go. i hope the site will never recover.
I'm a small artist with my only income coming from commissions. DA has been the platform where I've been able to find the most exposure (and even then, not even 2k followers) so the thought of leaving is really tough... I don't know where else to go, or how to build an audience from zero again. Its really devastating.
I understand what you feel so much :'( I don't know which platform can "replace" DA but you can post on your DA account a public message announcing you will go to a new platform so your actual audience can follow you. I have a lot of artist I love that left DA and gave a final message like this and gave the link of their new account so I can keep see their artworks.
same! its the only place people know i exist :(
True that! Even found my first commissioner for this year there!... After around 15 years.
Don't leave it, keep it to communicate with your watchers
I almost stopped using DA 2 years ago but I still get commissions from people there
Switch to another platform, let people who follow you know about it
Same, I built a small audience there, chatting with other users, and giving favorites, but the same hasn't worked for me on other platforms, I don't know how to move, or how hagstash works.
Ironically, the closest thing that has worked for me is Amino communities, an app that is worse than DA in some ways :b
You should also know that recently ArtStation is being hit by the weird artists you'd see on dA, which feels infurating because Art Station was meant to be a professional website to post your portfolio, then dA started doing the professional portfolio system that AS has but its laughable because of fetish art sprinkled in!
I joined dA in 2013 and it sucks to be falling from grace like this, only safe space to post art now and days at least for me is selective discord servers I'm apart of.
F*tish artists shouldnt be on professional websites. Period
Yikes...
It's fetish art, isn't it?
@@user-fg4tn8ot6blast i checked no but did see your average big booby anime girl, the features page is random
why so many people are against nsfw artists??? like, at the end of a day, they are also someone who is trying to earn for a living, or just draws for other people who are also into something that they like
For me, DeviantArt's problems are art reposters and AI.
Man, I felt like a good artist there. DeviantArt failed me :(
Da failed all of us😭
Even before the AI announcement, dA had became the worst art site for newer artists and/or artists with small follower count with people bullying them and discourage them and their art. Which what happened to me when I decided to come back and this individual made me quit drawing and these staffs won't do shit and told me and other victims to just block them despite there's many cases of that individual. So yea thanks deviantart for discouraging artists and let bullies roam around and continue harassing other artists despite we reported them.
¿¡What the heck do you mean about this stuff you are saying!?
@@flax72l.a13 why are you all over this comment section being personally offended at people bringing up valid points? watch the damn video or leave jfc.
@@eeptoken ¡¡No, you shut the fuck up and i'm here to know seriously about this shit!!
I think my worst experience on deviantART is approaching people who've traced or reposted other artist's works and then accuse me of being an asshole when they're the ones caught with their hands in the cookie jar, so to speak. So many times I've been called a 'troll' for linking to the site's copyright policies that I've commissioned an animated avatar of my persona troll grinning. The art thieves and recolor culture that runs rampant in the fandom communities there is probably the worst aside from fetish accounts. You also can't even cater your own experience because blocking taps out at 500 accounts. On the plus side, I can still report underage goblins successfully. And they take block evasion and post block harassment seriously. It's just a trick getting the staff to listen to you.
At least was that, mi worst experince as someone that has been there for ten years, mi worst was, i used to do art request and exchange, i made a one and a half month, storys for a guy, writting and correcting, i made for him, and he always delay his part, and after one and a half month i finish multiple storys, and when he pay, he give me tree draws that looks like something made by a five year old, and he didnt even want me to post them, after that i start seen the bad.
No one do coments, no one interact, no one, do exchanges and worst, now the worst is not even AI, is patreon, or suscribe or pay walls, why have a pay wall gallery in an art gallery, it sucks, but mi worst experience a guy i see him start, and love his art, i told others and share, as time pass, the guy no longer put storys with the images, then the dreadfull, he put patreon, change his stile, no more request or suggest, he change the gallery and name, barely do something with his characters, no more exchange, no more suggesitons, only patreons and comissions he post more in patreons and pay, F the guy, he no longer care where he become big
The fetish Art existed for years, already when I started in 2010. Deviantart is just famous for that.
The problem is the trending page. I don't want to get eyecancer by just clicking on the landing page.
Also I wasn't active there anymore, because the Community features of that site are so old. They put out so many features to make money and look professional, but what made Deviantart really interesting, was chatting with people in the fandoms. Real professionals are better off with their own websites. So better invest in making fandom and community experiences. But there were never really clever ideas to bond the community together. Like Groupchats or drawing together tools.
i got into deviantart with fetish. i have two Accounts one without fetish and one with fetish ,the fetish one has tripple the success and Engagement my normal one is safe. even though deviantart was way better in the past it was literally a website where you could place your art online and honestly no other Website showed you art from pros to mid class to beginners. every other art sight has all these masters and show you never rookies , deviantart had shown you rookies that draw on paper and pencil and you couod build up but now deviantart tried following the current trend so hard it became soulless as the rest of the art sites showing you only professionals or AI Flood the easy Management parts like gallery ,folders ,folders in folders cost money, categories become harder to manage .
I deleted my deviantART as soon as they announced the stupid AI generator.
sad!!!! alot of artists did, da just keeps losing artists daily
@@MohammedAgbadi it sucks. i miss how open the communities used to be as well.
same here. my account didnt last a month 😢
@@ARCHIVED9610 I hear ya, I had my account for over 10+ years
I left DA when they forced Eclipse onto us when we told them not to. They ignored us and did it anyway. I deactivated my account, which I had since 2008. I had only 180+ art-pieces and never got passed 110+ followers, and not many people left feedback unless it was fanart, which was kinda disappointing because I liked interacting with people. Lots of art kept getting stolen from people I followed and admired, some of my art was reposted on other websites including a hacked one, fetish art kept getting posted, pedophiles kept infiltrating communities, and the moderators didn't, and still don't, do anything about it. And when Eclipse came up to stay permanently, I couldn't tell where anything was anymore.
Unfortunately, with the death of BuzzlyArt and FurAffinity, I don't think there will ever be another online art website like the early DA. And if DeviantArt ever does make a comeback, I don't think the site will ever regain the love and support its early days gave it.
I left the site as well after they shoved Eclipse down everybody's throats cause the UI was a heavy mess to the point I remember my laptop lagged, and the way notifications were arranged made it even unbearable compared to the intuitive layout of the old design. If DeviantArt ever tries to make a comeback it'll be extremely difficult to regain former users' trust after all the wrong choices and very poor management - of course if they ever try that.
Up to this point as painful it is deep down (I've been there for over a decade), if the site closes it might be for the best, although the alternatives aren't many
Check out Inkblot. They started really small, but they wound up tripling membership in a week (and are still growing) due to DA shooting themselves in the foot like that. They weren't quite prepared for that kind of influx, but they have adapted admirably, are working on expanding their staff, are completely transparent about their budgeting, and they have actually LISTENED to their users. They actually have an art drive coming up, and I hope to participate so the site gets what it needs to grow. :)
apparently they removed the "you must be 13 or older to have an account" rule they've had since its founding, which meant a flood of minors WAY too young to be on sites like those joined. which of course makes the grooming issue worse
i used to see kids 12 and under getting banned when they admitted their age, as that was a safety feature. unfortunately that's not the case anymore and it's very worrying, especially since there are very few truly kid safe, just for kids online spaces nowadays
What about Newgrounds?
as a furry, i can tell you the fandom as a whole has written off DeviantArt. the few that are left there are the minority that people will warn you about, because all the good ones left.
I don't think he cares, he's prejudiced towards furries
Speak for yourself
This is a really well put together video! I've been using DeviantArt for a couple of years now and it was genuinely heartbreaking to see so many people leave after the whole AI fiasco. DeviantArt has really been on a downward spiral since the implementation of DeviantArt Eclipse, with more and more users leaving after each bad and poorly designed update. I still use the site mainly because it feels like there still isn't many other practical alternatives for artists to go, and after building up a following on DA it would be hard to start from the beginning all over again.
Check out Inkblot. They started really small, but they wound up tripling membership in a week (and are still growing) due to DA shooting themselves in the foot like that. They weren't quite prepared for that kind of influx, but they have adapted admirably, are working on expanding their staff, are completely transparent about their budgeting, and they have actually LISTENED to their users. They actually have an art drive coming up, and I hope to participate so the site gets what it needs to grow. :)
I returned a year ago to check how the NFT detector worked, and was pleasently surprised how easy it was to just block the fetish and furry stuff that used to clog up the front page.
Actually found some decent art there for a while.
But now, as if the AI opt in wasn't bad enough, the front page is now being clogged up by automatically generated AI crap, and opposed to the fetish and furry artists, AI "art" generators doesn't even have the decency to tag their crap as such, so I can't simply filter it out.
It's pretty awful right now, but I can't find another platform like that I enjoy using either. Twitter and DA sinking at the same time is not good.
Check out Inkblot. They started really small, but they wound up tripling membership in a week (and are still growing) due to DA shooting themselves in the foot like that. They weren't quite prepared for that kind of influx, but they have adapted admirably, are working on expanding their staff, are completely transparent about their budgeting, and they have actually LISTENED to their users. They actually have an art drive coming up, and I hope to participate so the site gets what it needs to grow. :)
Artfol is a great new platform for artists which has been doing pretty well so far, and they are working on a web release as well for those who prefer that.
it looks like a glorified Instagram copy which isnt good since that style encourages spamming art after art not really saving older works. you also cannot manage your gallery that much or have folders the only advantage is that it doesnt forces you to cut your Artwork but this isnt praise worthy
@@laisphinto6372 Don't know if it's been a while since you've been there but you can absolutely manage your gallery quite a bit and folders are very much a thing.
I remember I once posted my old Gemsonas on DA... I didn't really get a large following, but someone made fanart of them and I felt beyond bloody honored. Sure, it was clear the drawing was made by a very young artist, but the fact someone liked my characters enough to make fanart of them? It felt amazing. It's still a cute lil' drawing I remember to this very day every time I think of DA.
I remember being here as a kid. And while they are as cringy as I thought the memory would be, it still brought me happiness and even introduced me to generally anything fan based. Sad to hear about this, but all good things come to an end. 🤷♀️
I made an account a few months ago to go back to the site because of nostalgia, but when I saw how it was now, it was devoid of the charm it had when I was a kid. It's just not the same anymore. Even though I've found artists that I enjoyed on it, knowing that they sold themself to AI and all that stuff just makes me want to delete my account. I'm glad I never upload anything on it.
What more to say except it was a really professionally made and rather informative video. Thumbs up.
Thank you so much!
@@MohammedAgbadi The pleasure is mine. I learned (or at least I think/hope so) a fair bit from your art videos. Thank You so much for making them.
And those rather sad and/or upsetting topics, as much as one would rather not think about them too much(especially if there's nothing we can do about them), I believe it does need to be talked about. Some light needs to be shed on those topics. Since if we won't do it - who will? It will be just swept under the rug, and number of unaware, clueless people will just grow.
So ya, thanks again, for spreading awareness. At least I hope it is what it's doing, achieving heh.
I actually jumped ship from dA to Instagram. It's kind of sad that I was forced to delete all of my work there, since I've been on dA since I was a teenager. So it's kind of where my artistic roots were. I couldn't quite bring myself to fully delete the account in case they one day come to their senses (I'm not expecting them to do so, but a girl can dream), so I just deleted all of my work to protect it from their AI. The opt-out is more a friendly way of asking them not to, and it was not there for HOURS. I had missed the news because of timezones, so it might actually be too late to save my work. But I didn't want to risk my future drawings being used in that AI regardless of my choices in those options. I mainly make content related to my OC's, so given that my work is 100% original, I just can't really stick around and take a chance on stuff like this. On the NFT situation, I could still look towards that tool on dA to keep my work safe, but no such luck here. I've sadly already seen some old artwork of mine from an account that I no longer have access to on a site used to check if your work is used in AI training. But at least I can say that my future work is sort of safe now. Fingers crossed that my watermark will still help against something like this, because it helped my work not get stolen for NFT's, and all of the old work that's already fallen victim wasn't watermarked yet. All of my current work is watermarked, though.
Mannnn...I miss the old DA it's not the same anymore since the start of DA Eclipse...
it hasnt been the same at all.. i visited it andit looks like a different website smh
@@MohammedAgbadi Yeah...I cry every time I see it :(
Yeah anyone who supports it sucks.
I am someone who loves art and wanted to have a career in art,after heating about the ai winning the art contest,my motivation had hit an all time low and now news like this is just making me more upset.
Especially I have just started to consider to post my artwork on the internet, yeah maybe not.
Thanks for the video though it's great
I dunno if this helps at all, but I heard they are beginning lawsuits due to AI art theft. I don't think in its current stage that they are gonna be able to legally continue in this way.
Draw for you for awhile. And avoid sites that AI bots pull art from.
@@shadowdemonaer Thank you
cant wait for vine to start boycotting tiktok
lmaoooo i see what you did there
I hope so
I didn't think it was possible to browse the main page without ever being assaulted by fetish content.
I just hate a lot of the elements of the new UI with a burning passion. Who thought all those on hover elements that blink and move every second and every time you move your cursor even a millimeter lmao.
There's also a lot of stuff uploaded that's just not art or writing or resources, such as unedited game screenshots.
I just use it as an archive of my art now.
Same. I didnt even know the option was here, but It was already set off. I don't enjoy the new notification
Yeah they eventually turned it off. It was on when they first released it and when they got called out on twitter they then fixed it.
Good video, but maybe you shouldn't equate furry art with fetish art.
The biggest problem with DA was the switch to Eclipse and the missing filters that DeviantArt removed.
Eclipse did provide a design update, but so many features and customizations were removed. Very likely DA wanted to save money and make their site more marketable.
The fetish art isn't even the main problem here, as you have to deal with it on every major site. It was Deviantart's bad algorithms and the lack of moderation.
The thing with the AI has now finally killed Deviantart completely.
you realize furry is a fetish right?
@@nebula8072 No it's not. If furry is a fetish then so is anime. Which is to say... It's not a fetish.
Furry is the fetishization of anthros, so yes, its a fetish
@@Chadfill8348 But there are many people who belong to the fandom for non-sexual reasons. E.g. because of the art etc.
There's furry art that is not repulsive to the general public.
Different is,that the one that does, gets the spotlight
Thank you for this informative video. I was on deviantArt back in the days, from 2008 till 2014 (but I changed several accounts and usernames) and I enjoyed the community and the site very much at the time. Then I had no more time for online communities and deleted my accounts, but I never stopped drawing. Now I mostly draw on sketchbooks to develop my skills and be aware of my mistakes, but I don't feel like posting my art anywhere anymore. I don't know, I wasn't feeling the need of showing my works, maybe because I'm not a professional and I'm not interested in working with art. Despite that, I was still in search for a site or a community for artists lately because I kinda missed the atmosphere of deviantart, but things are gone too far now. Algorithms, art thieves, excessive censorship and now this AI invasion keep me away from dA and from posting anything on the internet, and I'm happy with that. I feel sorry for all the professional artists who can't find the right and safe place to showcase and promote their works.
Damn, now where will I post my art? Twitter is a hellscape, instagram is a hellscape (for nsfw artists at least) and now deviantart is dying
aww man
The only places I’ve heard about is Artfol, Mastadon, and Inkblot. I made an account on Artfol it’s chill so far .
inkblot or artfol
What about Newgrounds?
@@sorryshysleeper i actually forgot about newgrounds
We have fanart-central. The name suggest it is for fan-art but original art is accepted as well.
Ok, but it’s not like DA was the only or even first place to have a lot of Rule 34 art. That’s happened on literally every art site I’ve been on before and after DA. In fact, DA was pretty strict about it.
They have since made the AI an auto opt-out. But I def agree that should’ve been the default from the beginning. - Oh, you addressed that. Sorry!
I’m personally still on DA. I couldn’t upload for a while when they did the Eclipse thing, but that’s been fixed and I was able to again this year.
I’m with you about still loving it and hope they go back to how they were before. Like, that would be my wish too. Some of my fave artists are still there and it still has a lot of great features and options that other art sites don’t have. So, yeah, I really wish they’d fix their crap.
Anyway, great video, thank you for addressing this, including how it was once a great place. I miss te old ‘green’ look too. (Also miss when they were more bluish-grey, I think it was…)
I was on deviant art from my 1st year in middle school till I was 23 and I made a lot of friends and learned a lot about art. I still regularly talk to one of those friends to this day! But once I turned 14 I started getting extremely creepy dm's. A grown man asked me for feet pictures, I just assumed it was an art thing and didn't understand the context so I sent the pictures and when I told one of my guy friends that was a mask maker on the website he got extremely upset and went after the guy. Not sure how that ended but my mask maker friend was a really nice guy that tried to look out for us younger kids on the website. I deleted my account last year. I was holding onto it for nostalgic purposes but i also have very bad memories from that website.
A writer, Cory Doctorow, has described what he calls 'enshittification', which kinda sounds like it might be what's going on here.
"HERE IS HOW platforms die: First, they are good to their users; then they abuse their users to make things better for their business customers; finally, they abuse those business customers to claw back all the value for themselves. Then, they die."
I’m glad people are talking about this, it’s so heartbreaking to me because when I was young I’ve always wanted to post my art on deviantart. It was good during the first year and slowly things just got weird. Deviantart will always have a special place in my heart because it really did get my art out there before eclipse and this ai art thing. I hope future art sites can learn from the success of deviantart and the fails, I think this is a great lesson for anyone who would want to start creating an art platform. I’m now focusing on Insta, not the greatest of platforms but the show must go on somehow lol.
Thank you for talking about this. I've used the site just about every day since 2008. I've been through just about every change the site went through. It's been really disheartening to see the site basically jump off the deep end.
With the introduction of the chat boxes, I am now getting spammed by all sort of bots and nft scams every single time I upload a piece of art.
On my latest post, I got nearly 4000 views on it supposedly, but only 70 and not a single comment. The engagement is basically non-existent anymore. The views feel worthless.
It's such a shame to see DeviantArt end up like this. It was one of my favorite sites for over a decade but all the NSFW fetish art became way too much every time I checked the new posts page.
I am shocked you didn't go into Eclipse. I know so many people who left after that, are angry about it to this day (Myself included) And have lost access to roleplays in comment sections due to a still broken comment section they seem to refuse to fix.
deviantArt was on decline once when they first announed Eclipse & decided to get rid of their Old user interface, which everyone loved, that's how you knew dA was going fo fail miserably
I swear companies just look at upcoming technology, implement to keep up with trends,and don't consider their demographics/audience/userbase. Like it's pretty much a fact the majority of digital artists would hate to have their art used without their consent for AI generated art, hate NFTs, and have vocalized this on several social media platforma but companies implement it anyway and get shocked when their audience gets mad and stops using their platform. I know realistically that some higher up thought they knew better and forced this, but man to the average person it does seem like these companies hate money and are constantly sabatoging themselves. Personally I prefer having my art on my personal website and Instagram.
I remember back in 2013 when I first started using DA, loved it, met a ton of friends and then in 2020 or something they rolled out DA Eclipse the god awful new core membership...The previous membership model was just fine and genuinely so many of us absolutely loved it because we could code our pages and make them look really nice and polished (was also a monthly subscription but was honestly so freaking good)
The good old days sounds so funny knowing this was about DA, I don't miss the early sonic, mlp, and Pokémon art that I remember finding at the age of like, 10. Though I do at the same time, I miss the community and how it encouraged an artist to continue. But I am somewhat happy to see it slowly fade away, we loved it but it's high time that it died out. Finally we can say bye to the weird art and hello to new horizons, especially for newer artists. Kinda happy they shot themselves in the foot like this, time to see the doors close entirely.
The problem with DeviantArt for me is the amount of NSFW art, its honestly too much for me i literally cant scroll five minutes without being exposed to graphic p*rn i don't wanna see. Another problem is that im scared to death of people stealing my art, i honestly don't want to loose all of my hard work!😡
This reminds me how the internet used to be focused on trying to deliever a good experience for their users which in turn would give the advertisers an audience to market to, but now it seems like the marketers are the intended audience while the users are just there to be manipulated for the advertisers purposes.
My experience on DeviantArt 2010 vs 2020.
1.) 2010 was a good start for me to shared my drawing, making friends and categories to organize there. Badges to joined in, that's where the good old days.
2.) 2020 this is when I'm disgusted by the fetishes all over there, more creeps trying to role play every time I would read on the message or comments, getting annoyed by groups to invite me just to gained more members rather than appreciate your hard work on drawing, more trouble trolls all over there that they even send me a dead animal pictures just to make me feel worse and so does the rest of this video explained it all. I deactivate it after that incident.
As someone who does art as a hobby, I don’t really have that many problems with deviantart.
I do think that some decisions that they made aren’t the best.
Certainly how they handled the AI art situation was horrendous and I wish they moderated their side a bit better but otherwise I don’t really have that many problems.
Of course I know I have a different perspective because I’m not trying to be a professional artist.
But honestly, I think for most people who do art as a casual hobby deviantart is perfectly serviceable.
Also, maybe this is me, but I personally don’t have that big of a problem with the nsfw stuff.
You can usually easily avoid them.
I will admit that some of the fetishes and nsfw stuff can be weird, but I’m also just not into shaming people for what they like.
Again, it’s pretty easy to avoid, and most people actually put the right TW on the art.
I think the biggest problem I have with the site is That they’re reporting system is shitty and how terrible it is to recover an old account.
I honestly think if they had a better customer service and a better moderation team then it would be a bit better off.
I once posted an artwork on the site that was meant to be comedic and silly. However, it ended up getting a type of attention I... didn't intend for. It turned out the thing I had used for comedic effect was a fetish for some people... May've been my first view into that side of the platform. I wish I could manage what appeared in the suggested collections tab on my artwork or hide the tab entirely, so I could hide the weird stuff it had put along side and have people from the outside be able to look at my thing the way it was intended.
So,what did you draw?? (you don't need reply if you're uncomfortable about it)
@@aidamammadova4313 I'm choosing not to say for the sake of being less associated with it.
Actually, maybe it's fine... I drew a character being given a wedgie by a cuckoo clock
DeviantArt started sucking after they installed Eclipse. I also hate how they've let in so much porn and smut slipped into the site. They also took away the search feature on the favorites, so now it's nearly impossible to track down all the specific art you've faved.
Deviantart also has pornography out of kids cartoons, I pretty much deleted my DA account but I deleted it last year
I’ve browsed DeviantArt since I was 12. And though myself and a friend I made on there ended up on the uh…questionable side of the site, the platform gave me a chance to expand my horizons. Though I’ve moved on and my account is barely active, I do hope they soon get their act together. There are still amazingly talented people on there and communities and fandoms that are fun and inviting. Sometimes the weird or bad apples just sneak in or more accurately, walk in like they own the place
Great article. I stopped using DA for many years after getting so jaded with constant uploads of Sonic characters recoloured in MS paint, to the point where this once great site became a meme of itself. I only returned recently due to their AI announcement to delete my profile. I sadly do believe that DA has long since lost it's reputation & relevancy and is no longer the incredible site it once was so many moons ago now :-( The Llamas have left the building
Now that is just shady🤔, haven't been there in a while since I have been following artists on Twitter, Instagram n Pixiv mainly.
literally same.. twitter and ig changed everything
Another Pixiv Swine of Culture I see 👀
@@WasababyCheese Please.... A gentleman of culture, but jokes aside it can get scary on Pixiv😅
@@maubraymzoma6616 That- Yeah that's true.
you know.. it truly breaks my heart
I too remember DA great days and every single time I see it going backward in every "modern" and attempted "site updates"
still have good memories of it, I truly miss a place where I can find very creative people and original art as it was in DA good days - where it was mixed with many different medioms of art. it really was - a great place for artists to look at art and get inspired by others.
I may be too naive to still believe in that?
cuz many other places are not really in there, not as DA was in the first place.
DA is so flooded with AI generated images now that it almost makes you miss the time it was flooded with fetish art. Finding hand drawn art on DA now is like finding a needle in a haystack.
Yaaaas! I hoped you'd make a video about this situation!
I thought DeviantArt died to the art community since they started selling our art behind our back? 🤨 I swear that happened in like.. 2014 ish-
Ouch 😭😭I didn’t even hear that
@@MohammedAgbadi Yeah! I'm pretty sure I found out because Hot Topic was using one of said stolen designs? 😬😬
We should create deviantART accounts, create the shittiest drawings ever and opt in on the AI thing so that they can learn how to draw stick figures. 😌 That way we can sabotage art AIs
I have over 20 ai art tags blocked.. People still posting and bypassing the tag by not even adding that is AI made. Not to mention how mad these ai "artists" are getting if told they literally did nothing just add some key words
In this case let me quote sentence made by random guy, who decided to defend idea of AI art: "You all sound like the “traditional artists” who made a big fuss about Impressionists like Monet, Manet and Renoir among others. Don’t like anything new or different.When I started posting here ( meaning: on DA ) all artists of all styles were welcome. What happened to that idea?". This is just an example of response you can get from those "progressive" guys.
I think Deviant art tried to represent every artist no matter what ideas they brought to the table that's something you can't find on other sites that might have extreme censorship rules, images with gore horror or the slightest sexual suggestion get banned they kinda control what you draw
Pinterest is a extrem censor engine 😮 very extrem
dA used to be my to-go place to post artworks... until the fetishy stuff have spiraled out of control. A combination of the fetishpocalypse, frustrations, the AI collab and a lot of bullshit made me hate deviantART.
Sameee!!!! My portfolio is still on there with all my old art😭
@@MohammedAgbadiShame I was considering to return there, but after realizing the many crap I had to deal with - it's better that I don't and leave my page inactive.
I remember when I first started taking requests for a certain time, I had basic rules, no NSFW stuff, no art theft, etc, and yet I was still attracting the certain wrong kind of users, subtly asking for potentially fetishizing requests I would make purposefully not! It would suck because they would go at it saying things like "it would be funny" or act all innocent about the request. Asking for inflation art for oddly specific characters, asking for ship art, and whenever I look into the profile asking these requests, they would fetishize the very thing asked under the disguise of some kind, and I just had to avoid doing it in that manner. I seriously had to block a user because I suspected them of not only planning to steal my art, but also turn it into, get this...fart/sleep fetish art. I accepted requests under the impression of self-improvement and simple fun, not to fulfill fetish garbage fantasies!
By the time I reopened requests, AND added restrictions against fetish art, it was SO MUCH more inactive, I am DEEPLY disappointed by this community, by the site itself that ENCOURAGES this mess, just all of it! And yet, I stay, why? I don't know even, maybe I am just holding onto hope that things will get better? I don't know, I don't get enough attention on Twitter, and somehow I have more on DeviantArt, there is just...no place for artists of any level, hobbyist or professional, and the algorithm is just bad for both sites, apparently it's a similar issue on Instagram? It really does discourage self-improvement and self-expression.
You are actually lucky..... I got followed by a fricking diapper fethish artist without no reason
Like many other people it was my first art website. It's been hard for me to let it go even though it was overrun with a bunch of fetish stuff, in a way I liked that it had such a mix of everything that it wasn't too professional, it was okay to not be perfect and just learning.
But on the day they did this I was done for good. Even though they have everybody's art for the AI already and it's too late to take it back, I still deleted everything including my "daily deviation" I had gotten that used to motivate me and make me happy, so I know I'm really done.
Even if it was the only site where I could ever get any traction, this is still too much, DA I want a divorce.
Is the IA getting a regulation for the use of art? like copyright? If the IA can´t steal art from people then it will become obsolete, I hope things get better :(
Well, remember guys, every action has a consequence. Whether the good or bad. If something make bad decision, we should learn their mistakes. Also I hope you guys have an amazing tomorrow.
It was fun back then until I grew out of it. My account is still there, but has not been touched for a VERY LONG TIME. Didn't expect to hear that website again.
I finally abandoned my dA account months before my 10 year anniversary on it, lol. I owe a lot to it and early dA days are so nostalgic but oof.... The stories I have of entitled people requesting fetish art 🤡
I don't seem to be active on Deviantart anymore. but I will not deny that I never regret finding Deviantart in 2013. It was where I started digital art for the first time. Met some friends, who some I lost and moved on. But some who I still watch their art to this day, but on different platforms. I like looking back at my old Deviantart, and seeing how much I changed!
The fetish art was there since day 1. The difference now is all the non-fetish artists left so its more front and center and dA doesnt have good filters for fetish artists.
Fetish art isnt why dA declined, dA declining is why fetish art is front and center now.
Eclipse is what did it in for me and ever since Eclipse theyve just stopped listening to their users until the ai art thing had people threatening legal action. What killed dA is whoever the out of touch exec making the decisions against the userbase's will is.
I will forever miss the html customization and actually readable layout of dA. No site ever compared.
Eclipse was the first nail to DA's coffin. Tons of so-called AI arts were the final nail...
About the AI thing. Clarifying that I don't mean that anyone should change their opinion, I just want to toss this out there because why not. Here's what I have generally now understood/read about the situation:
- da automatically opts out art from ai things so the art is not used in ai learning unless you choose/consent your art being used. And da's own ai is supposed to be more ethical ai tool since it uses art on site which have been consented by the artist to be used (+ it credits the source materials)
- twitter team worded their stuff terribly while mods were like "don't word it like this!"
They still did mess up as they mashed up the news of the ai protection thing and their new ai tool at the same time for some reason.
So yea, I understand why it was upsetting to hear and I was too. But I also think some users made a bit too hasty decisions to leave instead of assessing the situation a bit further. But people should also do how they feel most comfortable with as admittedly the news were pretty scary when I read them first time
Considering going to Artstation after all of this. I say *considering,* since I'm not at a professional level yet and more of a hobbyist. However, I'm writing an original graphic novel series and planning on turning comic-making into a career, so I'll probably need an ArtStation account eventually. And if it helps me gain an audience as I continue to hone my skills, then that'll make it all the better!
When this happened, a huge chunk of my comic’s reader base fled the site. I don’t blame them at all. I don’t know if this is some sort of sunk cost fallacy effect in my mind, but I have been on this website for over half my lifetime (18 years) so I really can’t picture just up and leaving because of this stupidity. I just know that if I have the opportunity to stand on my own with my art as product, it’s definitely not gonna be through deviantART.
I think they brought back categories, but yeah, ai art is everywhere in deviantart. And for 5 years, where I’ve been absent between some posts, I had just above 20 watchers and 110 posts, I was beginning to dive into posting on Instagram and art contest participation, deviantart seemed rather barren of great artists, heck, I followed more artists on instagram than on deviantart, and with some of the more prominent artists with a deviantart profile, they don’t seem to post their more recent works there. Only time will tell where I’ll post more. 😢
The thing about this situation is that not so long ago (as in, a few days o week prior) they asked people on twitter to drop their DA links in comments below a tweet, and they give everyone silver badges, and some people even got core (I got core for a month). Imagine my surprise when , wanting to come back to take advantage of that membership, I see those news :/
I discovered deviantart in the mid-2000s, but didn't joined in until 2009. I only post up my drawings for fun. Most of my old MS Paint drawings don't hold up very well, so I stick to paper and pencil. I also look up to artists who are highly skilled and follow them and favoriting their artwork, and I became friends with other artists. In recent years, I don't post up too much, and I'm very disappointed at the website at the moment due to some awful artwork I'm seeing.
I also discovered deviantart in mid-2000s where I didn't joined in until 2008
my older Artworks aren't hold up that well, but my 2010s Artworks and writings can hold up better
Deviantart has always had a lot of nsfw and fetish art. But so does, literally every other site. Twitter, tumblr, Insta, pixiv, etc... How easy it is to find it though is different per site and per person. The website has a setting where you can hide nsfw art if you really dont want to see it, but counting nsfw art as a point against the site is kinda dumb. The biggest issue I see here is the AI stuff, cuz my art on deviantart isnt even that good compared to others imo, but even I would want to be automatically opted out.
I really like DA, it was the first site where I shared my art, it's still the site where I have the most followers, and it still has, above all, a relatively healthy community, but every day it's harder to find good things about the site, and it's very frustrating as the site slowly does less and less to prevent art theft, or do anything to improve the overall experience.
It's been three times now that I've found DA promoting stolen art, over the original artist, and other artist have told me they've found even more cases.
When they made Eclipse and made it mandatory, a lot of photographers and artists that I followed left, because they simply didn't understand the interface of the platform. DA received a lot of feedback from users on how to implement it and not change the interface so much, but they ignored it.
Beyond that, they implemented Eclipse, when it was still in test phase and still had many bugs, not to mention that their chat system has been in Beta for three or two years now, and they haven't improved anything since then.
Personally I've never cared much for fetish art, art theft annoys me more, and anyway you have a button to block users, or not show +18 content, but DA is very bad at hiding all the NSFW art it has.
I don't know why they don't just divide the platform into 2 sections or something, one for NSFW and one for SFW art, so everyone would have a specific space to put their work.
The staff seems to care less and less about the site and the community, at this point I think they have given up, and probably another company will buy them, for better or worse, or they'll go bankrupt.
Tbh, I got to get this off my chest: it just feels so fucking lonely posting online for the most part. Maybe it’s because I’m a smaller artist but I don’t really get the engagement that I would like to have on social media when it comes to my art.
And with Deviantart, though I have enjoyed using it I have been becoming increasingly uncomfortable with the other users on there as many of them have pretty bad quality fetish art. I even went through with a request and didn’t realize it was a fetish thing until after I started it. I just tried to make it as non-fetishy as possible but honestly I just feel queasy and all gross inside.
I just want a place that I can talk about cartoons and post art without worrying about all this bullshit, is that so much to ask?
I've given 10+ years to that site. Did everything in my power to make 3d galleries to grow; won 3 large scale contests including Renaissance and Eagle vs Shark movie poster design contests, got 4 DDs and even worked as volunteer 3d gallery mod. Ended up deleting my whole senior account with lots of privileges in 2014 for work related reasons - I've never looked back and even today I'm glad I did.