i own a 2014, 25th anniversary, running the Garrett GT2860rs, 8 psi boost, makes 305bhp. converted at 3k miles, absolutely superb for 22k miles.. Suddenly for no apparent reason a conrod let go, popping out thru the block. Appears the conrod had a manfacturing fault. BBR have only seen 2 other cars do this out of the 700+ conversions they have done. Have now put a fully forged built engine in it.Wossner pistons and rods, mazda forged crank. Same turbo etc. now running 321 bhp. No problems so far. Have seen a few get valve cover oil leaks, heat from the turbo housing warping the plastic valve cover. Your kit is very very similar to the BBR kit, so should be excellent. 🥰
@johncrofts6058 That sounds like an awesome build! We have been paying very close attention to the plastic valve cover due to the proximity to the very hot turbocharger, but so far, we haven't run into any issues. We have been experimenting with a couple ways to help keep the valve cover safe, which has probably contributed to that.
Man I really like those 2013-14 clubs. It’s really what I want. But I found a deal on an 09 sport 5 speed. Can you the turbo on the 5 speed? You guys are great. I hope to use some of your products once I get a car. I just need to grit the teeth and spend the money. It sucks being frugal and wanting a sports car. Haha. Thanks for another great video.
Please forgive me if this has been asked or previously covered, but is the windshield washer fluid reservoir deleted completely with this kit, relocated, or retained in stock position?
We'll have full install instructions on the product page in the next month or so and yes, the washer bottle does get relocated. You can see it better here flyinmiata.com/products/flyin-miata-stage-1-turbo-system-2006-15
I think the older manuals called for 5w-20 because 0w-20 hadn't been invented yet. I don't think there's any relevant changes in the engine. My 2011 NC2 specifies 0w-20 on the fill cap.
I've run the FMSC and then later a turbo kit from another company on a 2.0 and 2.5. One problem I ran into consistently, and never completely solved was with high engine temps. I ran the biggest radiator you offered, I ran an external thermostatically controlled oil cooler, I installed the singular hood vents, and relocated battery to the trunk. I think the biggest issue is that the intercooler location blocked or interrupted proper air flow to the radiator. Cruising at highway speeds, staying out of boost it would run too hot. How are you controlling engine temps and ensuring proper air flow through the radiator? Also, what are you doing to keep that primary CAT alive under boost and heat? ....I've melted them using the FMSC in the past.
We're focused on heat management with our new turbo kit but I haven't heard of any overheat issues with our previous SC kit. I'd check the basics like radiator cap pressure, coolant mixture, tune, and make sure your splash pan is in good shape. Our tune will be spot on but the more you run at the track, the more your cat will degrade. There's not much getting around it, really.
The NC engine is completely different from the NA/NB one - they're not related at all. We did take proper coolant flow into account when designing the kit, thanks to lessons learned on our NA/NB systems as well as what Ford did on the Ecoboost.
I asked about the fm nc turbo kit on the announcement video, whether it would be suitable for rhd cars due to the location of the bmc. Everything else aside from some pipework positions should be the same or very similar, calibration should surely be compatible between usdm and UK cars... With that in mind... Do you think you will ever supply these for rhd cars or is that not something you'll ever really consider? I'd love to have a newly developed fm turbo kit in the UK. Thanks.
The big challenge is likely to be the steering column, and unfortunately we don't have any RHD cars here to work on. So at the moment, we don't actually know.
We've yet to test our kit on an Automatic NC, so we aren't too sure how it will perform. As far as fitment goes, there shouldn't be any changes between the manual kit.
Thank you for this. I wrote several months ago to ask the following question: Would this work well on a low-mileage (28,000 km) 2008 NC PRHT? I'm posing it again on the off-chance that your testing--and the advice you have received about the turbo kit may have caused you to ask yourselves questions about amping up the power on the pre-facelift (NC Mark 1) engine (which does not have a forged crankshaft and upgraded piston gear). Finally, would this be something that could be plumbed in with the Mishimoto catch can system? (and would that help keep the intake runners / turbo itself clean).
Sorry if we missed your previous question. If it was a TH-cam comment, once we repost the video in 4k, the original video, along with its comments, no longer exists. As long as your engine is up on its maintenance and is in good running condition, our turbo kit isn't pushing the engine hard enough to need upgraded internals.
@@FlyinMiataVideo Well, that would save me about ten grand (I think that this is how much one can buy and retrofit a brand-new NC-2 engine (factory build). Cheers for this.
The FMSC should be around 220rwhp so, our turbo kit should be a decent jump in HP from it. It's a little too early to tell what the max HP will be at. Stay tuned!
@@FlyinMiataVideo if I heard you right, we’ll be uploading a tune onto the stock ECU vs piggyback for the NA/NB kits? If that’s correct, I’m surprised you can tune the OEM ECU and get CARB approval.
Since the 2.5 swap isn't technically emissions legal, it's not something we'll be actively testing. That said, as long as you use motor mounts that put the 2.5 head in the same location (vertically) as the stock 2.0 head, our turbo kit should fit fine. We can't be 100% since we haven't tested it, but we can't find any reasons that it wouldn't work. Anything that could be affected by the height of the engine has enough adjustability in it to account for that additional height.
There are many high horsepower automatics built with turbos by other companies. They hold up very well. Look at some of the forums and you'll find lots of information on boosted automatics. There's even a shift kit available that helps make the shifting faster and more precise.
Good question! The output of our kit should be suitable for all NCs in good running condition. We don't want to require upgraded engine internals or built transmissions to have fun with our kit. If you prefer more HP, there might be additional mods that need to be done to have a reliable car.
Of course, why not. Look at the Nissan GTR (565 - 600hp). As for daily driven stiff suspension with crappy roads, could be personal preference. In Hawaii(Oahu Island) roads suck, very bouncy when my tein are set to a stiffer setting. So I just turn the knob to a less responsive setting. However, that was 13 years ago. Roads Could be worse could be a little bit better. With EV cars some being 1000+ HP from the factory, Mazda Miata MX5 Roadsters is way way behind, IMHO, a Toyota GR three banger(cylinders) has 300hp 😂. Awesome YT channel, Flyin' Miata, please keep it up 😊🎉❤.
Good question! We didn't have an auto to test it on but we do think it will. Like our kits for the NA/NBs, you might need to massage the DP some but that really should be it.
Stock rev-limit is retained on our current test cars and it's worked well. However, we may revisit this before our official release in the name of reliability. Stay tuned!
I’ve been coming up on a decade on my turbo NC, but if I had to do it again I would have done a K swap. Forced induction doesn’t suit the character of a lightweight rwd roadster for me.
i own a 2014, 25th anniversary, running the Garrett GT2860rs, 8 psi boost, makes 305bhp. converted at 3k miles, absolutely superb for 22k miles.. Suddenly for no apparent reason a conrod let go, popping out thru the block. Appears the conrod had a manfacturing fault. BBR have only seen 2 other cars do this out of the 700+ conversions they have done. Have now put a fully forged built engine in it.Wossner pistons and rods, mazda forged crank. Same turbo etc. now running 321 bhp. No problems so far. Have seen a few get valve cover oil leaks, heat from the turbo housing warping the plastic valve cover. Your kit is very very similar to the BBR kit, so should be excellent. 🥰
@johncrofts6058 That sounds like an awesome build! We have been paying very close attention to the plastic valve cover due to the proximity to the very hot turbocharger, but so far, we haven't run into any issues. We have been experimenting with a couple ways to help keep the valve cover safe, which has probably contributed to that.
Mine has a stage 2 BBR turbo 25th anniversary converted in 2014 with only 210miles now has 63k and still goimg strong. Gteat fun @FlyinMiataVideo
Thank you for the 4k upload!
You are welcome and thank you for watching!
@@FlyinMiataVideoIt is much appreciated in high res!
Those wheels and tires go perfectly with the NC giving it a real beefy look.
Thanks for watching!
Full boost at 3400 rpm is wild, so excited for this thing to come out
So are we! Current release estimate is around late September.
I agree, love the car!
We do too! These NC turbo prototypes have several of us here at the office considering swapping to the NC platform.
My 2006 GT cost me as much as this turbo kit is going to cost. How I will justify this purchase is beyond me, let alone affording it 😥
It's all perspective and the first rule of upgrading a car is that you never add up the receipts😁
Man I really like those 2013-14 clubs. It’s really what I want. But I found a deal on an 09 sport 5 speed. Can you the turbo on the 5 speed? You guys are great. I hope to use some of your products once I get a car. I just need to grit the teeth and spend the money. It sucks being frugal and wanting a sports car. Haha. Thanks for another great video.
We appreciate the kind words! Yes, the turbo will still be compatible with a 5-speed.
Can you tell me where you relocated the washer fluid bottle? I am very interested in this kit!
Sure. We include some brackets and move it to the passenger's firewall area.
Please forgive me if this has been asked or previously covered, but is the windshield washer fluid reservoir deleted completely with this kit, relocated, or retained in stock position?
We'll have full install instructions on the product page in the next month or so and yes, the washer bottle does get relocated. You can see it better here flyinmiata.com/products/flyin-miata-stage-1-turbo-system-2006-15
On OEM oil viscosity mentioned at 24:10 my 2008 NC1 calls for 5w20 oil, not 0w20.
The owner's manual for NC3s calls for 0w20. NC1 manuals do say 5w20, though.
I think the older manuals called for 5w-20 because 0w-20 hadn't been invented yet. I don't think there's any relevant changes in the engine. My 2011 NC2 specifies 0w-20 on the fill cap.
I've run the FMSC and then later a turbo kit from another company on a 2.0 and 2.5. One problem I ran into consistently, and never completely solved was with high engine temps. I ran the biggest radiator you offered, I ran an external thermostatically controlled oil cooler, I installed the singular hood vents, and relocated battery to the trunk. I think the biggest issue is that the intercooler location blocked or interrupted proper air flow to the radiator. Cruising at highway speeds, staying out of boost it would run too hot. How are you controlling engine temps and ensuring proper air flow through the radiator? Also, what are you doing to keep that primary CAT alive under boost and heat? ....I've melted them using the FMSC in the past.
We're focused on heat management with our new turbo kit but I haven't heard of any overheat issues with our previous SC kit. I'd check the basics like radiator cap pressure, coolant mixture, tune, and make sure your splash pan is in good shape. Our tune will be spot on but the more you run at the track, the more your cat will degrade. There's not much getting around it, really.
Great and informative video. Why use the GT2860RS instead of the newer GTX2860?
The GT series pairs better with our goals for the kit and HP levels. There was no need to spend the extra $ for the premium GTX.
How easily can I get one of these kits to New Zealand! So keen!
We're able to ship directly to NZ! Please check back in around September, and we should have a solid idea as to when kits can ship out.
You had me at CARB legal 👍🏻
Oh yeah!
Do the NCs have the coolant flow issues that the NA/B do? Just wondering what additional supportive mods other than a clutch might be recommended.
The NC engine is completely different from the NA/NB one - they're not related at all. We did take proper coolant flow into account when designing the kit, thanks to lessons learned on our NA/NB systems as well as what Ford did on the Ecoboost.
I asked about the fm nc turbo kit on the announcement video, whether it would be suitable for rhd cars due to the location of the bmc. Everything else aside from some pipework positions should be the same or very similar, calibration should surely be compatible between usdm and UK cars...
With that in mind...
Do you think you will ever supply these for rhd cars or is that not something you'll ever really consider? I'd love to have a newly developed fm turbo kit in the UK. Thanks.
The big challenge is likely to be the steering column, and unfortunately we don't have any RHD cars here to work on. So at the moment, we don't actually know.
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Any idea how this would perform with the 6spd Automatic?
We've yet to test our kit on an Automatic NC, so we aren't too sure how it will perform.
As far as fitment goes, there shouldn't be any changes between the manual kit.
Genuine question, does the intercooler system etc fit mazdaspeed bumper?
We've never tested fitment with a Mazdaspeed bumper, but we don't see why it wouldn't work. :)
Thank you for this. I wrote several months ago to ask the following question: Would this work well on a low-mileage (28,000 km) 2008 NC PRHT?
I'm posing it again on the off-chance that your testing--and the advice you have received about the turbo kit may have caused you to ask yourselves questions about amping up the power on the pre-facelift (NC Mark 1) engine (which does not have a forged crankshaft and upgraded piston gear).
Finally, would this be something that could be plumbed in with the Mishimoto catch can system? (and would that help keep the intake runners / turbo itself clean).
Sorry if we missed your previous question. If it was a TH-cam comment, once we repost the video in 4k, the original video, along with its comments, no longer exists. As long as your engine is up on its maintenance and is in good running condition, our turbo kit isn't pushing the engine hard enough to need upgraded internals.
@@FlyinMiataVideo Well, that would save me about ten grand (I think that this is how much one can buy and retrofit a brand-new NC-2 engine (factory build). Cheers for this.
Hi Mike, it has to be 300+ whp or its a no go for me. I currently have the NC FMSC.
The FMSC should be around 220rwhp so, our turbo kit should be a decent jump in HP from it. It's a little too early to tell what the max HP will be at. Stay tuned!
@@FlyinMiataVideo ..Oh oh..I gotta temper my excitement. I brought my NC2 back in 2018/2019 when you guys installed the last FMSC at your shop.
@@thealternativefactor6694 Hey, we like excitement!😁
For California, will this kit include a CARB legal exhaust manifold that replaces that horrible stock one with the pinched welds?
You'll retain your stock cat and adapt the turbo outlet and manifold to it. It will require some cut and welding but is pretty basic in execution.
@@FlyinMiataVideo if I heard you right, we’ll be uploading a tune onto the stock ECU vs piggyback for the NA/NB kits? If that’s correct, I’m surprised you can tune the OEM ECU and get CARB approval.
@@brianmiliate9435 There's a lot to a kit being CARB compliant and with these more modern ECUs, a reflash is the way to go.
Will there be any testing on a 2.5L?
Since the 2.5 swap isn't technically emissions legal, it's not something we'll be actively testing. That said, as long as you use motor mounts that put the 2.5 head in the same location (vertically) as the stock 2.0 head, our turbo kit should fit fine. We can't be 100% since we haven't tested it, but we can't find any reasons that it wouldn't work. Anything that could be affected by the height of the engine has enough adjustability in it to account for that additional height.
I wonder how my 2006 gt with the automatic will hold up with this kit😢
There are many high horsepower automatics built with turbos by other companies. They hold up very well. Look at some of the forums and you'll find lots of information on boosted automatics. There's even a shift kit available that helps make the shifting faster and more precise.
Good question! The output of our kit should be suitable for all NCs in good running condition. We don't want to require upgraded engine internals or built transmissions to have fun with our kit. If you prefer more HP, there might be additional mods that need to be done to have a reliable car.
Of course, why not. Look at the Nissan GTR (565 - 600hp). As for daily driven stiff suspension with crappy roads, could be personal preference. In Hawaii(Oahu Island) roads suck, very bouncy when my tein are set to a stiffer setting. So I just turn the knob to a less responsive setting. However, that was 13 years ago. Roads Could be worse could be a little bit better. With EV cars some being 1000+ HP from the factory, Mazda Miata MX5 Roadsters is way way behind, IMHO, a Toyota GR three banger(cylinders) has 300hp 😂. Awesome YT channel, Flyin' Miata, please keep it up 😊🎉❤.
Thank you for watching!
Will the kit fit on an automatic NC?
Good question! We didn't have an auto to test it on but we do think it will. Like our kits for the NA/NBs, you might need to massage the DP some but that really should be it.
does this change/limit the redline any?
Stock rev-limit is retained on our current test cars and it's worked well. However, we may revisit this before our official release in the name of reliability. Stay tuned!
I’ve been coming up on a decade on my turbo NC, but if I had to do it again I would have done a K swap. Forced induction doesn’t suit the character of a lightweight rwd roadster for me.
Turbocharging might not be for everyone, but our shop NC is now one of the more popular cars for our staff to drive as a result of the prototype kit!
Question is, can you live WITHOUT a turbo NC Miata.
As long as you never experience boost, then yes. :)