@@WHOTEEWHOhey you literally did say “tell me what you think” lol. I mean if that’s not asking for it I dunno what is. Next time just end it with “3 more lbs of recoil, do with that information what you will” And you’ll still get to eat popcorn, you’re just not specifically asking for it. Lol
I'd like to try some of those; haven't seen factory loads or projectiles. What speeds do the factory loads get? Or if you reload, what are you getting?
I've taken several mule deer with 125gr barnaul sp, they drop deer, also they chrono at nearly 2500fps from my 16" barrel ar, it's pretty hot ammo and definitely shoots flatter than his chart indicates, at 100 yard zero I get 3" of drop at 200, significantly better than the American ammo he has charted.
We live in South Georgia and have kill a lot of deer and hogs with 7.62x39 (125gr SP and 154gr SP ). We use Ruger and HOWA bolt guns, and 16”AR,s all feed and function flawlessly. We have shot out to 150yards with animals dropping like rocks. Great Southeast hunting round. We use steel surplus ammo with great accuracy,we were lucky enough to have purchased thousands of rounds years ago when these rounds cost nothing. We use a 50yard zero.
You jump from 110s to 150s in the 300blk. However there's some great options in the 125 - 135gr range. I'd suggest some comparisons with them, too. It may not do much in factory loading numbers. I don't know since I roll my own blackout. But if you're a hand loader, you will get great performance.
You have a bit of a point but it’s still they are two different animals. About 200-250fps animals no matter how you breed it. I personally like the 120-125 stuff in 300 better than the 110 grenades. Sst etc.
took a buck last year with 300blackout. 75 yards, high shoulder, Not one single step. through both lungs, spine, broke far shoulder, found under skin. 125 grain Sierra game changer at 2200 out if a 9 inch suppressed.
@@jeffhuntley2921 the research I've done on 300 BO is the suppressor actually makes it less accurate and, for reasons, the suppressor skews bullets off to the right.
@@kalidilerious I’ve got one barrel in 7.62x39 that drops 11” and 1” left when I put my gemtech on it but doesn’t change with my 458 can. There’s a older channel, Johnny’s reloading bench, that had a bunch of videos with his 30 cal can helping his 6.5cm groups but I don’t know why some cans help and some hurt groups?
Could it be that it helps with the barrel harmonics in long barrel? But throws of short barrels ? MAC showed the scar 20 group's tighten up with a suppressor. He also has a vid where a suppressor ruins the mpxk groups
Both are good options for inside 200, over that you should consider larger calibers (308, 6.5CM/PRC, 270, 300WM, etc…) I also wish the comparison had more comparable bullet weights; plenty of 123-125gr 300BLK rounds
The x39 still holds the advantage, it has greater case capacity, therefore higher velocity for any given bullet weight, the x39 will give 2250ish fps with 154gr projectiles, the .300 is closer to 1900ish with bullets in the 150gr weight.
I like the 300 Blackout for hunting in the low country, especially if you have to make a shot on a hog from the ground. There is less chance for rounds to carry beyond your line of sight and go beyond property boundaries. Ethically, I limit the 300 Blackout to shots of less than 100 yards anyways to ensure a humane shot. That said, the 7.62x39 is a great option as well. I think the biggest thing is holding ourselves as hunters to the limitations we place upon ourselves and our equipment.
Love my ruger ranch in 7.62×39mm ben takeing deer for years with it so i decided to get a ruger ranch in 300 black out and try it for deer this season can't wait!
With factory ammo, I agree 7.62x39 is the best choice. If you reload, then 300 blackout is the way to go. I can load 125 gr SST bullets to 2300 fps from a 16 in barrel.
one plus for 300 blackout is small rifle primers that are easy to find vs the 7.62x39 uses large rifle primers which are harder to find in stock. the Hornady sst bullet is great in both cablers. just different in bullet diameter 300 blackout = 308 dia. 762x39 = 310. dia.
Good job, Sir. I shoot 300 BO from a 16" Daniel Defense, I reload, and use almost exclusively 125 gr bullets whereas 123 gr is pretty standard for the 7.62x39. Now THAT would be a fun comparison! I don't have a "shusser machine", and have no use for subsonic.
My AR15 in 7.62 x39 has been a good choice for me for deer hunting. Took some good ones with it. I load my own hunting rounds. Thanks for the video. And information 👍
Black out shines with a 195 gr cavity back at subsonic speed quietly killing deer to 90 yards for me actually I took my biggest buck of the season last year with one at 35 yards. and it performed like a well placed broadhead. but Ive killed a bunch with that load when I am hunting around houses. but the Barnes black tip is pretty fair supersonic to about 150 yards. but I will be the first to say a black out is a toy compared to the 6.5 Grendel if you want to use a AR to seriously hunt with.
The last 4 whitetail and too many hogs for me to count have been harvested off my property all using S&B 7.62×39 124gr softpoint in various platforms from bolt gun to AR. I have yet to need to track an animal more than 30 yards from point of impact to drop point and most haven't made it more than 15 yards. Inside 200 yards, 7.62×39 is my absolute go to chambering. SOMETIMES, I'll use .308 but then I'm more worried about neighbors, bullet travel, and backstop. And I've had hogs run 50+ yards after being shot with .308 HogHammer loads that made a clean pass through on about a 75 yard shot. No apparent expansion or energy dump as it zipped through that hog. Finally, even with curremt ammo issues, 7.62×39 is MUCH cheaper and more readily available than 300blk every day of the year and in every scenario in recent history. I'll stick with 7.62×39.
My favorite 7.62x39 is Tula 154 grain soft points. Cheap and effective. Much cheaper than the American stuff at around $15 a box. Paid $40 for a box of Winchester super x last year.
I like both rounds, and have a couple rifles in each chambering. With equal weight bullets and equal barrel lengths, the x39 can usually get 200 fps more than the Blackout. For hunting discussion, I don't think a 1000 yard analysis makes much sense. Maybe 200 yards max. Enjoyed the vid, thanks for sharing!
Since you have experience on both, what is the difference in felt recoil between the two? I was leaning toward 300 BO because of the light recoil. Is the felt recoil in 7.62x39 similar or more?
@@andrewduppstadt2120 I definitely feel more recoil with the x39, but both are pretty mild. The Blackout is noticeably milder to me though, comparing both in AR15 rifles with 16" barrels. I also have a Ruger Ranch bolt action in 300BO, and it has very mild recoil as well. My x39 rifles are both AR's 16" and 20".
The difference between 7.62x39 and 300 blk at close ranges is similar to the difference between 300 blk and a 357 magnum rifle. In terms of energy 7.62x39 comes in 1st place, 300 blk in 2nd place and 357 magnum rifle in 3rd place. I shoot and handload all 3 calibers. When you look at the load data they are all very similar, not much difference in powder charges for a 125 something grain bullet. The main advantages to a 357 magnum rifle is it's a lot easier to handload than any bottle neck calibers like 7.62x39 or 300 blk. No need to lube the brass before sizing and no need to trim the brass length. Plus 357 magnum is easy to get good accuracy with homemade cast lead bullets. Especially if you powder coat them and a 357 magnum handgun makes a good companion to the rifle. If you want to hunt small game use 38 special ammo in the same rifle.
the other huge advantage the 7.62x39 has over the blackout is , it is loaded to a sammi pressure max of 45000 cup .... if you have a strong rifle action you can safely load it to the same pressure as the 300 black out and gain even more velocity and energy over the black out round
I have a savage axis in 300 blk. I keep deer thinned back for a farmer as he gets tags. I've killed 7 in the last year with 300 blk. Federal 150gr sp. Max shot was about 85 yards. 5 of the 7 dropped in their tracks but I attribute that more to shot placement placement
@@mattnorthernmn2803 high in the shoulder and towards top of the lungs. Seems to be high enough that the hit breaks the spine. But I use that area with about any rifle I'm hunting deer with.
I run hornady sst 123 and 255 sub-x for hunting both deer and hogs. Sub-x 50-75 yards works fine on deer and hogs and coyotes at 100 yards that’s it. Let be clear the shots with subsonic loads are neck shots on deer and head shots on hogs not shoulders or vital’s up close.
Differences are going to be marginal. Deer/hogs etc.. ain't gonna know a hill beens difference between hit with one or the other. Shot placement trumps all guys. It's all for fun here. Each their own, no true winner, run what you like and works for you. That's why there's options
Got me two White Tail so far this season with the 110 GMX and 150 Deer Season 300BLK. Buck and Doe dropped within 40 yards. Deer Season fragments produced about a 1 foot wide blanket of blood. Absolutely capable out to 200 with both.
Come on man ! Your not going to shoot a deer at 200 yards with a 762x39 or 300 blackout. The best yardage to shoot a deer is less than 100 yards with both cartridges. Just saying!
Dont get me wrong I agree is a 7.62x39 is a better round for shooting a white tail but I dont think this comparison tells the whole story. 300 blk can be loaded with more bullet options and I would dare to bet that 300 blk will penetrate deeper due to the heavier bullets most often loaded in the 300 blk and the fact it is a little slower so it will have less violent expansion. That would mean to me the 300 blk has more versatility then 7.62x39 and I would dare say inside 100 yards would be a better choice for game larger then the typical white tail since it would be more likely to penetrate deep in the vitals. At least thats my theory.. if you test it I will watch it! 😊
I'm sure the deer won't know the difference inside 100 yards and I want to justify the 300 but it's not in the data, thanks for the video. I'll be watching to see what ammo you choose for catching deers in both cartridges.
I'd still take the .300 BO over the 7.63x39. Mainly because I'd not choose either for a primary deer hunting round. Secondly, the .300 BO is much more versatile to load for, and to buy ammo for. Thirdly, change the upper on an AR is all it takes to change to a 5.56/.223. And again, I wouldn't choose either as a primary deer hunting cartridge.
I know folks wont like this but as a hunting guide im gonna say the 300 Blackout is basically useless except for maybe tactical purposes!!!! The 7.62x39 is far more superior at close ranges only!!! Why not just yourself a good .308 with no worries!!!
How many of yall ever killed the majority of your deer at over 100 yards. You can't see 100 yds where I live do to all the trees and high brush. That's why we normally hunt with .30-30 down here.
I like to shoot the Barnes TSX black tips out of my 300 BO and they shoot great, but with that 300 BO 110 GR the X39 is going almost 100 FPS faster so not as big of a difference as I would of thought And the 2 300 BO rounds have more energy then all the X39 rounds at 400 + yards so who would have thought.
300 Blackout with Winchester 150 grain Deer season knocks them down!! Thing is your not gonna use 300 Blackout for farther than 100-150 yards. That chart was 200 and on.
The 7.62x39 with the right bullet for hunting seems like the perfect cartridge out to 200 yards for deer size game including hogs. A friend uses on hogs here in Texas with 100% success
I live in DFW and want to start hog hunting. Where should I go? How do I get started? What optics should I get? Would I hunt at night/dusk or in the daytime? So many questions.
I have had excellent experiences with the wolf 154 gr. Soft points. My rifle seems to like those the best. I get better groups with them than the 120 something brass cased loads.
Fun fact! That 208 gr subsonic will out penetrate Eveything on the board and z further out! 😂. That 190 sub x is awesome as well…. I’ve killed deer with both, the 7.62x39 has noticeably more thump at 100-150… my personal limit with a 7.62x39..
If I were looking to buy a new rifle, this would be useful information. However, I'll stick to my .30-06. I can duplicate either of either of these cartridges by handloading. Further, with 200 grain softs, I can hunt Alaska's dangerous game.
Both of those are good hunting rounds even though the .300 blk struggle to make the legal energy requirement for whitetaildeer here in finland. With a min. 93gr bullet is needed 2000J (1475 ft-lb) @ 100m or min. 123gr bullet 1700J (1253 ft-lb) @ 100m or leadfree bullet min. 80gr 1700J @100m
I totally agree 7.62x39 is much better. Just one quick note. I have some 125gr SST loads in 300 Blackout. They might be a good comparison to the 7.62x39 loads. Might be worth a look if you can find em.
I think Ron Spomer did, but he only compared with terrible BC round nose 30-30 bullets. With Hornady LeveRevolution ammo, the 30-30 blows the 7.62x39 out of the water. 160 grain LeveRevolution 30-30 round 2400 fps at the muzzle, BC of .33 123 grain Winchester Super X round 2380 fps at the muzzle BC of .304 the 30-30 stays supersonic to 650 yards 7.62x39 only supersonic to 600 yards 30-30 carries 1000 ft-lb out to 300 yards 7.62x39 only carrier 1000 ft-lb to 175 yards 30-30 drops 12.5 inches at 250 yards 7.6x39 drops 13.13 inches at 250 yards
WTW this is ANOTHER case of you comparing Apples to Oranges! 1: ALL the 7.62 rounds are VERY light (at the light end of acceptable Deer grains) understanding it is ALWAY about SHOT Placement and 2: All the 300 blk out are ABOVE 150 grains! The 300 Blk out is an EXCELANT hunting round! I have shot a Mule Deer out at 378 yards( yup a 7.62 X 51 (.308) and Whitetails at 25 yards(35 Rem) Adjust your choice of Firearm to WHAT you are hunting!
interesting report! I built many 300 blackout ar rifles/pistols with excellent results for Florida deer and wild pigs at 50 yds or less. then the subsonic craze started. the hand loaded subsonic ammo we made were extremely accurate and very quiet, but the one shot kill reliability went to crap. was hunting in north Florida few years back and was carrying an under folder ak 47 with Hornady factory steel case loaded with the 123 gr sst soft point bullets , jumped a nice 10 pt buck appx. 75 yds 1 shot and the deer dropped like a rock. I now carry the CZ 527 carbine in 7.62x39 with many deer pig varmint 1 shot kills, no more 300 blackout for me!
Thanks for someone finally saying this, also anything you can handload in a 300BLK you can handload in a 7.62x39 with more case capacity. Although I do own an AK, I have a 10 inch BCA and 18 inch BCA ARs in 7.62x39 and both shoot almost anything around 1 MOA.
@MrT13 OK when I said anything I meant anything from 308 to 312 or 30 cal to 32 cal will stabilize out of a 312 barrel which my AK and both ARs are. So I meant anything.
Thanks for the excellent vid and tech discussion. One point though is for a valid scientific comparison, variable differences need to be minimized. In your comparison, the 300 BO bullet weights were much heavier, so bullet drop and energy comparisons are somewhat misleading. Do they not make 300 BO with comparable bullet weights, I.e., 125 gr? BTW, I’m researching for a hog rifle and the 7.62x39 is my top choice. Thx for your videos..
I feel like it’s definitely worth mentioning that all of those velocities for the 7.62x39 are out of a 20” barrel, Whereas All of the velocities for .300 BLK are out of a 16” barrel. Not quite a fair comparison.
@@WHOTEEWHOBy facts you mean comparing 125 grain 7.62X39 loads against 150 grain and 200 grain sub-sonic 300 blackout loads, hardly a fair test. There are plenty of 125 grain 300 blackout loads available, that would at least level the playing field, why not test some of these? Don't get me wrong, I love 7.62X39, I have several in both AR and AK platforms. You might also want to test for accuracy in the "comparable" cartridges? It's fine to have a preference, but don't represent skewed test results as intellectual honesty, your viewers deserve better than that. First time I have ever disagreed with you, still like your channel and your content, keep up the good work.
I was thinking the same thing. Unfortunately it's not a true comparison. I wish there was a factory load for 300 BO with a 125grn bullet (maybe there is?)
I’ve had both for long time and here’s the reality. 300 is better at sub. Quiet. X39 is 200fps more hp. Neither is great past 200 yards so who cares about accuracy as long as you’re sub 2”. But the only legit real user advantage of 300 is the primers can take a good light trigger. X39 doesn’t. And in an ar it serves you well to polish the ramps and chamber. Not as necessary with 300. So if you like a good light trigger 300. If you want a little more and cheaper hp x39. Cause they are about identical in accuracy. Primers and 400lbs of energy. That’s what really separates em.
You are comparing apples to oranges in most of these, of course a 125 grain 7.62 will be better than a 190 grain SUBSONIC 300blk. Take a 18inch barrel with no suppressor, have the same 125 grain loading. You will get almost identical performance. At worst the 300blk will have maybe 100fps in deviation depending on powder choice and out of what rifle. All this told me is 300blk has more options on the type of ammo variety.
Hunting with either of these rounds is borderline unethical. If you are going to hunt with the .300 blackout I think it would be obvious to go with the VMAX or Barnes rounds.. The appeal of .300, blackout is its versatility which it dominates 7.62x39 at.
The only difference is the bullet options, platform, and budget, since both had subsonic options for a while. If you were hunting with the "gun muffler", but to pay more for a less capable round sounds silly, so I'm in the 7.62x39mm camp.
7.62x39 is the better performing round... The 300blk is not a terrible caliber...but I look at it like I do the 6.5 Grendel and the 6.8 Creedmore. When you already have 7.62x39...7.62x51.... 308... 30.06.. 270...etc etc...and the ammo for all of these is more plentiful and cheaper....I just don't see the point...there isn't enough difference in performance to justify it. Now, if the military did away with the 5.56 and went with the 6.5 Grendel....I would sell my 5.56 uppers and convert to the Grendel as it preforms much better...ammo would become plentiful...etc etc. But, as it stands the juice doesn't justify the squeeze in these odd ball calibers.
I am curious, exactly what diameter are the bullets for each? Doesn't the 7.62X39 use a 0.311" bullet and the 300 BO a 0.308" bullet, or am I confused? Some here report much better results using 300 BO hand loads using SST bullets, and I can believe that. Just wondering about diameters, though. I was also going to comment that while the drop comparison is interesting, I would certainly not shoot at game with either of these beyond 200, never mind 400, 500, 600 yards! So, even though I lean toward the 7.62X39 (heavily invested), and the factory load comparison favors the 7.62X39, a focus on more realistic hunting ranges would be more helpful. Other than picking on these minor points, I enjoyed your comparison. I always like having the data! Nice job.
Excellent video, I always wondered how much of a difference there was between the two cartridges. I'm so glad I bought my mini 30 ranch rifle 25 or so years ago. Thank you.
I like the Sig Elite Hunter in 120 grn. 2250 fps close to the 7.62x39 123 grn. Barnes also makes 120 grn tac TX copper that's comparable to those as well. 150 grn. Is heavy so typically you're lucky to get 1900 fps . Just saying bro. . Love your content , just appears that your 7.62x39 biased.
Really !!?? As mentioned by at least 1 other, you show one 110 option and NO 125 options ( there are several !!) but jump out to 150 for the 300 !! You ONLY show 125/123 stuff for the 7.62, WTH ?? You are comparing apples to oranges !! LMAO !!
I've dropped 3 deer with the 300 BLK. I handload my own 110gr. 300 BLK is very sensitive to the powder you use. My 110 load is making 2500 FPS. Compare that to the factory load.
Aw come on??? This isn't a fair comparison. You compared 123-125gr 7.62x39 to five 150, 190 and 208gr 300BLK rounds. This isn't apples to apples, It's apples to grapefruit. Both the 190 and 208 are sub sonic and drop like a rock. There's more 125 bullots available for the 300BLK. I've killed many pigs and a few deer with both 7.62x39 and 300BLK and can't tell the difference between the two. The 110gr Hornady 300BLK actually sucks on pigs, it doesn't get enough penetration into the biguns. Go with Fiocchi 125gr SST, they are loaded with Honady's SST bullots. That will put them in the dirt. For 7.62x39 go with Hornady's BLACK, it's loaded with their 123gr SST bullots. That will also put them in the dirt.
150 gr 300blk is for cheaper plinking. For performance irs all about the 110s and 200s. 110s are slightly less energy than 7.62x39, but theu seem to work greay for medium critters and 2 legged threats. The 125s are okay for bigger things like hogs. The 150s are just slow except some specialty loadings. The 200s are VERY slow because thats the point. Honestly 9x39 would habe been the better option if platforns and cartridges were ever developed to push supersonic performance. It would have put 350 legend to shame, but it never got love, and now imports dried up, so its totally pointless now.
Hardly seems fair that the avg grain of 300 blk is 140 ish. And the 39 is 23. They are both slow so of course almost 20 grains is gonna drop way more. And you threw in 2 sub classes for 300 and no subs for 39...seems a bit weighted don't it
300BO never impressed me. Subsonic fine. I would never hunt game with anything subsonic. Subsonic ammo just doesn't have the juice for a quick, clean, ethical kill. JMHO
If handloading for a modern firearm, the comparison is essentially a 30cal cartridge with a case capacity of around 20gr of H2O vs a cartridge that can shoot the same bullets but has a case capacity of around 35gr of H2O. The 300blk is more efficient for subsonic use, but when it comes to supersonic loads, the 7.62x39 can be a significantly more powerful round than the 300blk.
I'm confused. You don't have a 120 or 125 grn comparison for the 300 blk. You jump 25 grs over the 7.69 x 39. So obviously it will be slower. Just not a good comparison. I killed an enormous mule deer last year with a 300 blk with a 120 grn TTSX at 80 yds. He went 15 yds. Massive damage and complete pass through.Nuff said.
It would have been a better comparison if all the bulkets weights were comparable. Most of the 300 loads had bullets heavier than the 7.62 so of course they would have worse ballistics. Mute point for us Illinois hunters, 300 blk is legal to use in Illinois but 7.62x39 is not legal because the case is too long.
Northern Minnesota about 30 minutes south from Canadian boarder, mostly taken deer with 270 WSM at 100 to 400 yards, dropped or ran 50-75 yards. Wanna do bear hunting with 300 win mag, have done some target shooting with CZ 527 7.62x39 at 100 yard with iron sights got about 1.5 MOA with steel case wolf & brass case norma 123 grain
Like them both. But I don't think that your comparison is fair. Just my thoughts. The bullet weights are way off. For . also don't agree with you on the subsonic ammunition. Furthest shot for me has been 110 yards, Ruger American in 300 blackout 208 grain AMAX. Absolutely devastating. Others were convinced that the deer was shot with 300 Winchester Magnum. Inside a 100, exactly the same result on hogs as well. Have a good one and May God bless y'all,Bo. I am also thankful for all of your hard work.
My handload 110gr 300 blackout smacks lil over 1400 ftpounds. Soo that works for me. 7.62x39 hits ~1300. You decide 😂 there both fine but if it's a grizzly... neither either way there very close, less then a .22lr of energy difference. Probobly a .308 is the way to go, non frangible preferred.
Weight X velocity = foot pounds of energy. You’re comparing apples to oranges it’s not a fair comparison. Now let’s compare underwood’s 300BK 125gr Ballistic tip moving 2250 fps with 1405 energy at the muzzle. I could find more but you get the point. Love the videos though.
Nice info, but terrible comparison selection. You compared 4 rounds with a 2gr spread against 6 rounds 98grain spread and all but a single round with a %20 increase in mass against its opposition. A fair comparison would have been of similar gr (obviously in the 110-135 range would have been logical with a single outlier being subsonic to drive home that point.) Not that is would have changed the fact that the 7.62x39 would have still won but by small margin, and within a reasonable affective range of about 200 yards either are a good selection. But when you consider the cost of ammo, availability and variety of barrels and their cost in the ar platform. ect the 300blk is a strong contender. Outside 200 yards time to move up to a hotter platform than either of these. Btw this will be my first year hunting with 300lk and my ammo choice is Fiocchi .300 Blackout, 125 gr SST for deer and AAC .300 110gr VMAX for hog (my 45acres in E TX is a pine stand and you cant see past 60-70 yards anywhere)
I would love to see a video where a compound bow or crossbow with different 100 grain broadhead are used. People bow hunt and handgun hunt and then say that it’s not ethical to use 300BO Subsonic….. I’ve taken deer with 10mm 1200 FPS 180 grain sig vcrown and 300 BO hornady SUB X rounds. You just have to be realistic in your shot placement understand your bullet drop and what your own capabilities are at the end of the day. Sorry you lost your deer that you shot. Just curious what round you were using and the distance you were shooting. This upcoming season I’m going to use the 350 legend SUB X 250gr rounds with my cva scout TD I’m going to limit myself to 75 yards but most of my shots I’ve had in SE GA are 50 or less due to the overgrown environment. I have the crimson trace 300BO scope mounted on it and have it zeroed at 50, figured the BDC drops of 350 legend subsonic and 300 BO subsonic are very similar and look forward to testing them to 150 yards.
The 300 Blackout is at it's best as a subsonic suppressed round, used on people sized targets in military conflicts. It's a weak round for hunting medium sized game. This is a suppressed combat round IMHO. Secondly, it's hard to find ammo for it, while the 7.62 x39 is positively everywhere. I'll stick with it.
The old cz 527 in 7.62x39mm was probably the finest bolt action rifle in said caliber. For starting a youngster out, that would be the way to do it. I wish they never discontinued the product line. But for now, Ruger does off their American Ranch in 7.62x39mm. Technically, if you are an Eastern woodland whitetail hunter and your shots are well within 100 yards typically, that's really all you really need. I definitely agree with your assessment. Also, 7.62x39mm is still comparatively inexpensive to shoot a young hunter and can get plenty of practice with it, grow with it develope their marksmanship skills and become confident. Using 7.62x39mm is more humane to use than any of the .22 centerfires in my opinion. Each is their own.
can these calibers kill deer at 200+ yards ? yes. is it ethical? No these are good in the woods calibers 100 yards and in. we have night and day better options for beyond that. The 300 blackout i have 10" sbr with suppressor loaded with 110 vmax at max loading with H110 I'm getting over 2400 fps with some pressure sign nothing scary. Dropped plenty of deer DRT with it 100 and in and coyotes at around 220 with my longest kill shot. I have barnes xtac ill be testing out here soon and cant wait to try on deer. Great options but kinda drastic to compare these rounds out to unethical deer hunting distances. love to see bullet reviews at hunting distances and not point blank.
I do have an issue with the 300 black out loads you chose You should never hunt with the amax bullet That is a target bullet The 110gr grain Hornady black is a Vmax varmit bullet not great for deer you should of have Fioochi 125gr sst and Hornady Custom 135gr FTX and remember drop doesnt matter if the bullet wont preform in the animal
7:35 This is great. but where i hunt its in the mountains and shots are 50 yards or less. A lot like hunting with a bow. Using subsonic ammo is no different than using a bow and arrow. so sta8ng no one should be using it isnt a true statement. with the righr roind its perfectly find. comparing it to supersonic 7.62x39 at ranges beyond 100yards is silly. 300blk was designed to be extremely close range.
300 blk vs 7.62x39 grab the popcorn!
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@@WHOTEEWHOhey you literally did say “tell me what you think” lol. I mean if that’s not asking for it I dunno what is. Next time just end it with “3 more lbs of recoil, do with that information what you will” And you’ll still get to eat popcorn, you’re just not specifically asking for it. Lol
Weird that's exactly what I was just doing
It's all well and good... but I think I'm gonna stick with my .308 Winchester.
I wish the 7.62x39 154gr sp was included in this comparison.
Good round actually shooting some tonight out of Ruger American and pretty darn accurate
@@ngaoutdoors4157good to know want that as my next rifle
I'd like to try some of those; haven't seen factory loads or projectiles. What speeds do the factory loads get? Or if you reload, what are you getting?
That's the round I use, it is very accurate out of my guns and I have dropped deer with it.
I've taken several mule deer with 125gr barnaul sp, they drop deer, also they chrono at nearly 2500fps from my 16" barrel ar, it's pretty hot ammo and definitely shoots flatter than his chart indicates, at 100 yard zero I get 3" of drop at 200, significantly better than the American ammo he has charted.
We live in South Georgia and have kill a lot of deer and hogs with 7.62x39 (125gr SP and 154gr SP ). We use Ruger and HOWA bolt guns, and 16”AR,s all feed and function flawlessly. We have shot out to 150yards with animals dropping like rocks. Great Southeast hunting round. We use steel surplus ammo with great accuracy,we were lucky enough to have purchased thousands of rounds years ago when these rounds cost nothing. We use a 50yard zero.
You jump from 110s to 150s in the 300blk. However there's some great options in the 125 - 135gr range. I'd suggest some comparisons with them, too. It may not do much in factory loading numbers. I don't know since I roll my own blackout. But if you're a hand loader, you will get great performance.
You got that right.
Softballs vs Golf balls
You have a bit of a point but it’s still they are two different animals. About 200-250fps animals no matter how you breed it. I personally like the 120-125 stuff in 300 better than the 110 grenades. Sst etc.
took a buck last year with 300blackout. 75 yards, high shoulder, Not one single step.
through both lungs, spine, broke far shoulder, found under skin.
125 grain Sierra game changer at 2200 out if a 9 inch suppressed.
Have you noticed if your groups tighten up with a suppressor?
Hand load?
@@jeffhuntley2921 the research I've done on 300 BO is the suppressor actually makes it less accurate and, for reasons, the suppressor skews bullets off to the right.
@@kalidilerious I’ve got one barrel in 7.62x39 that drops 11” and 1” left when I put my gemtech on it but doesn’t change with my 458 can. There’s a older channel, Johnny’s reloading bench, that had a bunch of videos with his 30 cal can helping his 6.5cm groups but I don’t know why some cans help and some hurt groups?
Could it be that it helps with the barrel harmonics in long barrel? But throws of short barrels ? MAC showed the scar 20 group's tighten up with a suppressor. He also has a vid where a suppressor ruins the mpxk groups
Both are good options for inside 200, over that you should consider larger calibers (308, 6.5CM/PRC, 270, 300WM, etc…)
I also wish the comparison had more comparable bullet weights; plenty of 123-125gr 300BLK rounds
You mean larger cartridges* :)
The x39 still holds the advantage, it has greater case capacity, therefore higher velocity for any given bullet weight, the x39 will give 2250ish fps with 154gr projectiles, the .300 is closer to 1900ish with bullets in the 150gr weight.
I like the 300 Blackout for hunting in the low country, especially if you have to make a shot on a hog from the ground. There is less chance for rounds to carry beyond your line of sight and go beyond property boundaries. Ethically, I limit the 300 Blackout to shots of less than 100 yards anyways to ensure a humane shot.
That said, the 7.62x39 is a great option as well. I think the biggest thing is holding ourselves as hunters to the limitations we place upon ourselves and our equipment.
Look at what you are comparing. 123 grain vs 150grain. Get a 125gr sst in 300blk and its just a little less. Not that much of a difference
Love that you put all the work into gathering and charting and graphing all this out. Some surpising info.
I appreciate you watching!
Love my ruger ranch in 7.62×39mm ben takeing deer for years with it so i decided to get a ruger ranch in 300 black out and try it for deer this season can't wait!
Good luck!
@@khoov48 What’s wrong with subsonic?
@ngaoutdoors4157 nothing that's all I hunt with Is subs
@@stephencriswell22what’s your subsonic round of choice ?
With factory ammo, I agree 7.62x39 is the best choice. If you reload, then 300 blackout is the way to go. I can load 125 gr SST bullets to 2300 fps from a 16 in barrel.
Whatever you get with the blackout… add a good 200-250 for the x39… 8-9 more grains of powder capacity…
one plus for 300 blackout is small rifle primers that are easy to find vs the 7.62x39 uses large rifle primers which are harder to find in stock. the Hornady sst bullet is great in both cablers. just different in bullet diameter 300 blackout = 308 dia. 762x39 = 310. dia.
I've had good results with the 125 SST in 300 BLK too.
It’s not the way to go unless you do subs. Neither is really a past 200 yard pick. So the accuracy you mite find is what? 1” better at 200?
Good job, Sir. I shoot 300 BO from a 16" Daniel Defense, I reload, and use almost exclusively 125 gr bullets whereas 123 gr is pretty standard for the 7.62x39. Now THAT would be a fun comparison! I don't have a "shusser machine", and have no use for subsonic.
My AR15 in 7.62 x39 has been a good choice for me for deer hunting. Took some good ones with it. I load my own hunting rounds. Thanks for the video. And information 👍
Thanks for watching!
@@WHOTEEWHOcan you do a comparison between 7.62x39 and 350 legend for deer hunting
Black out shines with a 195 gr cavity back at subsonic speed quietly killing deer to 90 yards for me
actually I took my biggest buck of the season last year with one at 35 yards. and it performed like a well placed broadhead. but Ive killed a bunch with that load when I am hunting around houses. but the Barnes black tip is pretty fair supersonic to about 150 yards. but I will be the first to say a black out is a toy compared to the 6.5 Grendel if you want to use a AR to seriously hunt with.
The last 4 whitetail and too many hogs for me to count have been harvested off my property all using S&B 7.62×39 124gr softpoint in various platforms from bolt gun to AR. I have yet to need to track an animal more than 30 yards from point of impact to drop point and most haven't made it more than 15 yards. Inside 200 yards, 7.62×39 is my absolute go to chambering. SOMETIMES, I'll use .308 but then I'm more worried about neighbors, bullet travel, and backstop. And I've had hogs run 50+ yards after being shot with .308 HogHammer loads that made a clean pass through on about a 75 yard shot. No apparent expansion or energy dump as it zipped through that hog. Finally, even with curremt ammo issues, 7.62×39 is MUCH cheaper and more readily available than 300blk every day of the year and in every scenario in recent history. I'll stick with 7.62×39.
My favorite 7.62x39 is Tula 154 grain soft points. Cheap and effective. Much cheaper than the American stuff at around $15 a box. Paid $40 for a box of Winchester super x last year.
I like both rounds, and have a couple rifles in each chambering. With equal weight bullets and equal barrel lengths, the x39 can usually get 200 fps more than the Blackout. For hunting discussion, I don't think a 1000 yard analysis makes much sense. Maybe 200 yards max. Enjoyed the vid, thanks for sharing!
Since you have experience on both, what is the difference in felt recoil between the two? I was leaning toward 300 BO because of the light recoil. Is the felt recoil in 7.62x39 similar or more?
I would not exceed 250 yards with my Blackout- and that with 110 grain bullets.
@@andrewduppstadt2120 I definitely feel more recoil with the x39, but both are pretty mild. The Blackout is noticeably milder to me though, comparing both in AR15 rifles with 16" barrels. I also have a Ruger Ranch bolt action in 300BO, and it has very mild recoil as well. My x39 rifles are both AR's 16" and 20".
The difference between 7.62x39 and 300 blk at close ranges is similar to the difference between 300 blk and a 357 magnum rifle. In terms of energy 7.62x39 comes in 1st place, 300 blk in 2nd place and 357 magnum rifle in 3rd place. I shoot and handload all 3 calibers. When you look at the load data they are all very similar, not much difference in powder charges for a 125 something grain bullet. The main advantages to a 357 magnum rifle is it's a lot easier to handload than any bottle neck calibers like 7.62x39 or 300 blk. No need to lube the brass before sizing and no need to trim the brass length. Plus 357 magnum is easy to get good accuracy with homemade cast lead bullets. Especially if you powder coat them and a 357 magnum handgun makes a good companion to the rifle. If you want to hunt small game use 38 special ammo in the same rifle.
Thanks for the info.
the other huge advantage the 7.62x39 has over the blackout is , it is loaded to a sammi pressure max of 45000 cup .... if you have a strong rifle action you can safely load it to the same pressure as the 300 black out and gain even more velocity and energy over the black out round
Or just shoot something else lol. You just can’t make a 300 do what x39 does. Cause you know physics. Bigger cup more juice.
I have a savage axis in 300 blk. I keep deer thinned back for a farmer as he gets tags. I've killed 7 in the last year with 300 blk. Federal 150gr sp. Max shot was about 85 yards. 5 of the 7 dropped in their tracks but I attribute that more to shot placement placement
Curious on your preference of shot.placement? Bouler room or head/spine shot?
@@mattnorthernmn2803 high in the shoulder and towards top of the lungs. Seems to be high enough that the hit breaks the spine. But I use that area with about any rifle I'm hunting deer with.
3rd year in a row using 7.62x39 for deer hopefully a third deer
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X39 is the better cartridge.
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@@andyh3446 all true
😲 I love my 7-62x39.!
I run hornady sst 123 and 255 sub-x for hunting both deer and hogs. Sub-x 50-75 yards works fine on deer and hogs and coyotes at 100 yards that’s it. Let be clear the shots with subsonic loads are neck shots on deer and head shots on hogs not shoulders or vital’s up close.
Differences are going to be marginal. Deer/hogs etc.. ain't gonna know a hill beens difference between hit with one or the other. Shot placement trumps all guys. It's all for fun here. Each their own, no true winner, run what you like and works for you. That's why there's options
Got me two White Tail so far this season with the 110 GMX and 150 Deer Season 300BLK. Buck and Doe dropped within 40 yards. Deer Season fragments produced about a 1 foot wide blanket of blood. Absolutely capable out to 200 with both.
I should get a lever action 3030
Come on man ! Your not going to shoot a deer at 200 yards with a 762x39 or 300 blackout. The best yardage to shoot a deer is less than 100 yards with both cartridges. Just saying!
While youre drop chart may be accurate, i think, they would be more comparable if you added more 110gr 300blk rounds instead of subs.
What barrel length in .300 blk are you using for comparison? Also, there are some very good subsonics that will expand, costly, but good.
Dont get me wrong I agree is a 7.62x39 is a better round for shooting a white tail but I dont think this comparison tells the whole story. 300 blk can be loaded with more bullet options and I would dare to bet that 300 blk will penetrate deeper due to the heavier bullets most often loaded in the 300 blk and the fact it is a little slower so it will have less violent expansion. That would mean to me the 300 blk has more versatility then 7.62x39 and I would dare say inside 100 yards would be a better choice for game larger then the typical white tail since it would be more likely to penetrate deep in the vitals. At least thats my theory.. if you test it I will watch it! 😊
7.62x39 is the better cartridge when the appropriate hunting ammunition is used. So I agree 100% with you.
7.62x45mm Vz.52, a forgotten but extremely effective cartridge, that fits into an AR-15 magazine.
Fiocchi 125gr sst 300blk are a beast
I'm sure the deer won't know the difference inside 100 yards and I want to justify the 300 but it's not in the data, thanks for the video. I'll be watching to see what ammo you choose for catching deers in both cartridges.
I've used a SKS for years to hunt whitetail I use the 123 grain soft point PPU
I'd still take the .300 BO over the 7.63x39. Mainly because I'd not choose either for a primary deer hunting round. Secondly, the .300 BO is much more versatile to load for, and to buy ammo for. Thirdly, change the upper on an AR is all it takes to change to a 5.56/.223. And again, I wouldn't choose either as a primary deer hunting cartridge.
300blk is the 7.62x39 we have at home
I know folks wont like this but as a hunting guide im gonna say the 300 Blackout is basically useless except for maybe tactical purposes!!!! The 7.62x39 is far more superior at close ranges only!!! Why not just yourself a good .308 with no worries!!!
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How many of yall ever killed the majority of your deer at over 100 yards. You can't see 100 yds where I live do to all the trees and high brush. That's why we normally hunt with .30-30 down here.
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You’d be surprised at the junkie material FMJ 7.62x39 ie Norinco are and how effective they are. Great video.
I like to shoot the Barnes TSX black tips out of my 300 BO and they shoot great, but with that 300 BO 110 GR the X39 is going almost 100 FPS faster so not as big of a difference as I would of thought
And the 2 300 BO rounds have more energy then all the X39 rounds at 400 + yards so who would have thought.
I hunted hogs with hornady Z max in 7.62x39 and was not impressed. Better results with tulammo hps
Or if sht hit the fan. While everyone is scrambling for 556.
300 Blackout with Winchester 150 grain Deer season knocks them down!! Thing is your not gonna use 300 Blackout for farther than 100-150 yards. That chart was 200 and on.
I do agree with the hunting thing but you would have to load those same bullets sub sonic in 7.62x39 to get a true comparison. Interesting though
I've taken deer with 300 blk
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The 7.62x39 with the right bullet for hunting seems like the perfect cartridge out to 200 yards for deer size game including hogs. A friend uses on hogs here in Texas with 100% success
I second this statement!
I live in DFW and want to start hog hunting. Where should I go? How do I get started? What optics should I get? Would I hunt at night/dusk or in the daytime? So many questions.
I have had excellent experiences with the wolf 154 gr. Soft points. My rifle seems to like those the best. I get better groups with them than the 120 something brass cased loads.
Fun fact! That 208 gr subsonic will out penetrate Eveything on the board and z further out! 😂. That 190 sub x is awesome as well….
I’ve killed deer with both, the 7.62x39 has noticeably more thump at 100-150… my personal limit with a 7.62x39..
If I were looking to buy a new rifle, this would be useful information. However, I'll stick to my .30-06. I can duplicate either of either of these cartridges by handloading. Further, with 200 grain softs, I can hunt Alaska's dangerous game.
Both of those are good hunting rounds even though the .300 blk struggle to make the legal energy requirement for whitetaildeer here in finland.
With a min. 93gr bullet is needed 2000J (1475 ft-lb) @ 100m or
min. 123gr bullet 1700J (1253 ft-lb) @ 100m or leadfree bullet min. 80gr 1700J @100m
I would pick the 7.62 unless I had a 30-30 with me. 😂
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Ill stick with the 7.62x39!
I totally agree 7.62x39 is much better. Just one quick note. I have some 125gr SST loads in 300 Blackout. They might be a good comparison to the 7.62x39 loads. Might be worth a look if you can find em.
Fiocchi loads I believe
I don't remember if you've done it yet, but a similar comparison between 7.62x39 and .30-30 Winchester would be a good one.
I think Ron Spomer did, but he only compared with terrible BC round nose 30-30 bullets. With Hornady LeveRevolution ammo, the 30-30 blows the 7.62x39 out of the water.
160 grain LeveRevolution 30-30 round 2400 fps at the muzzle, BC of .33
123 grain Winchester Super X round 2380 fps at the muzzle BC of .304
the 30-30 stays supersonic to 650 yards
7.62x39 only supersonic to 600 yards
30-30 carries 1000 ft-lb out to 300 yards
7.62x39 only carrier 1000 ft-lb to 175 yards
30-30 drops 12.5 inches at 250 yards
7.6x39 drops 13.13 inches at 250 yards
.300 has better BC
WTW this is ANOTHER case of you comparing Apples to Oranges! 1: ALL the 7.62 rounds are VERY light (at the light end of acceptable Deer grains) understanding it is ALWAY about SHOT Placement and 2: All the 300 blk out are ABOVE 150 grains! The 300 Blk out is an EXCELANT hunting round! I have shot a Mule Deer out at 378 yards( yup a 7.62 X 51 (.308) and Whitetails at 25 yards(35 Rem) Adjust your choice of Firearm to WHAT you are hunting!
All of the 7.62x39 rounds shown are the most commonly found factory loadings for hunting ammo. Obscure, specialty ammo or handloads is not applicable
Also I specifically talk about the 110 grain 300blk
Good video I own guns in both rounds (no AAC 110 Vmax) the .300 Blackout wins in accuracy on there natural platforms.
interesting report! I built many 300 blackout ar rifles/pistols with excellent results for Florida deer and wild pigs at 50 yds or less. then the subsonic craze started. the hand loaded subsonic ammo we made were extremely accurate and very quiet, but the one shot kill reliability went to crap. was hunting in north Florida few years back and was carrying an under folder ak 47 with Hornady factory steel case loaded with the 123 gr sst soft point bullets , jumped a nice 10 pt buck appx. 75 yds 1 shot and the deer dropped like a rock. I now carry the CZ 527 carbine in 7.62x39 with many deer pig varmint 1 shot kills, no more 300 blackout for me!
Thanks for someone finally saying this, also anything you can handload in a 300BLK you can handload in a 7.62x39 with more case capacity. Although I do own an AK, I have a 10 inch BCA and 18 inch BCA ARs in 7.62x39 and both shoot almost anything around 1 MOA.
Anything is not exactly accurate seeing as how they are different diameter. But he’s right. You’re right. 3.5 more lbs of recoil for a reason.
@MrT13 OK when I said anything I meant anything from 308 to 312 or 30 cal to 32 cal will stabilize out of a 312 barrel which my AK and both ARs are. So I meant anything.
@@cortcorp I dunno. You put 308 in a 311 and it starts doing weird stuff sometimes.
@@MrT13 I shoot 110 gr projectiles made for the M1 carbine on top of Lil gun and 1 get 1.5 MOA
@@cortcorp that’s good. Are they cheap? I put a bunch of weird mixed matched berrys stuff in the wrong stuff. Like 300gr in 45 acp.
Thanks for the excellent vid and tech discussion. One point though is for a valid scientific comparison, variable differences need to be minimized. In your comparison, the 300 BO bullet weights were much heavier, so bullet drop and energy comparisons are somewhat misleading. Do they not make 300 BO with comparable bullet weights, I.e., 125 gr?
BTW, I’m researching for a hog rifle and the 7.62x39 is my top choice. Thx for your videos..
I feel like it’s definitely worth mentioning that all of those velocities for the 7.62x39 are out of a 20” barrel, Whereas All of the velocities for .300 BLK are out of a 16” barrel. Not quite a fair comparison.
Looks to me like you only compared one 300 Blackout load that was actually comparable, and it did very well, save the personal bias.
I don't have a personal bias. The facts are easily shown in the charts
@@WHOTEEWHOBy facts you mean comparing 125 grain 7.62X39 loads against 150 grain and 200 grain sub-sonic 300 blackout loads, hardly a fair test. There are plenty of 125 grain 300 blackout loads available, that would at least level the playing field, why not test some of these? Don't get me wrong, I love 7.62X39, I have several in both AR and AK platforms. You might also want to test for accuracy in the "comparable" cartridges? It's fine to have a preference, but don't represent skewed test results as intellectual honesty, your viewers deserve better than that. First time I have ever disagreed with you, still like your channel and your content, keep up the good work.
Why a 1,000 yards? 1,000 is a nice round number so it shouldn't be used with the Imperial System. Why not 1,268 yards?
No surprise... 300 AAC Blackout has a slightly smaller case capacity and also comparing 123gr with 150gr bullets will deliver expected results.
I was thinking the same thing. Unfortunately it's not a true comparison. I wish there was a factory load for 300 BO with a 125grn bullet (maybe there is?)
there are but FMJ bullets
@@Odyssey_Weapon_Systemsfiocchi 125 SST.
I’ve had both for long time and here’s the reality. 300 is better at sub. Quiet. X39 is 200fps more hp. Neither is great past 200 yards so who cares about accuracy as long as you’re sub 2”. But the only legit real user advantage of 300 is the primers can take a good light trigger. X39 doesn’t. And in an ar it serves you well to polish the ramps and chamber. Not as necessary with 300. So if you like a good light trigger 300. If you want a little more and cheaper hp x39. Cause they are about identical in accuracy. Primers and 400lbs of energy. That’s what really separates em.
You are comparing apples to oranges in most of these, of course a 125 grain 7.62 will be better than a 190 grain SUBSONIC 300blk. Take a 18inch barrel with no suppressor, have the same 125 grain loading. You will get almost identical performance. At worst the 300blk will have maybe 100fps in deviation depending on powder choice and out of what rifle. All this told me is 300blk has more options on the type of ammo variety.
Here’s the differences, about 3.5lbs of recoil or 400lbs of energy. And soft primers that don’t mind light triggers, vs hard ones that do. That’s it.
Did buddy really compare subsonics to super sonics. This isn't a fare comparison. Where are the 154gr 7.62 rounds???
Hunting with either of these rounds is borderline unethical. If you are going to hunt with the .300 blackout I think it would be obvious to go with the VMAX or Barnes rounds.. The appeal of .300, blackout is its versatility which it dominates 7.62x39 at.
The only difference is the bullet options, platform, and budget, since both had subsonic options for a while. If you were hunting with the "gun muffler", but to pay more for a less capable round sounds silly, so I'm in the 7.62x39mm camp.
7.62x39 is the better performing round... The 300blk is not a terrible caliber...but I look at it like I do the 6.5 Grendel and the 6.8 Creedmore. When you already have 7.62x39...7.62x51.... 308... 30.06.. 270...etc etc...and the ammo for all of these is more plentiful and cheaper....I just don't see the point...there isn't enough difference in performance to justify it. Now, if the military did away with the 5.56 and went with the 6.5 Grendel....I would sell my 5.56 uppers and convert to the Grendel as it preforms much better...ammo would become plentiful...etc etc. But, as it stands the juice doesn't justify the squeeze in these odd ball calibers.
I am curious, exactly what diameter are the bullets for each? Doesn't the 7.62X39 use a 0.311" bullet and the 300 BO a 0.308" bullet, or am I confused? Some here report much better results using 300 BO hand loads using SST bullets, and I can believe that. Just wondering about diameters, though. I was also going to comment that while the drop comparison is interesting, I would certainly not shoot at game with either of these beyond 200, never mind 400, 500, 600 yards! So, even though I lean toward the 7.62X39 (heavily invested), and the factory load comparison favors the 7.62X39, a focus on more realistic hunting ranges would be more helpful. Other than picking on these minor points, I enjoyed your comparison. I always like having the data! Nice job.
Excellent video, I always wondered how much of a difference there was between the two cartridges. I'm so glad I bought my mini 30 ranch rifle 25 or so years ago. Thank you.
I like the Sig Elite Hunter in 120 grn. 2250 fps close to the 7.62x39 123 grn. Barnes also makes 120 grn tac TX copper that's comparable to those as well. 150 grn. Is heavy so typically you're lucky to get 1900 fps . Just saying bro. . Love your content , just appears that your 7.62x39 biased.
Really !!?? As mentioned by at least 1 other, you show one 110 option and NO 125 options ( there are several !!) but jump out to 150 for the 300 !! You ONLY show 125/123 stuff for the 7.62, WTH ?? You are comparing apples to oranges !! LMAO !!
I've dropped 3 deer with the 300 BLK. I handload my own 110gr. 300 BLK is very sensitive to the powder you use. My 110 load is making 2500 FPS. Compare that to the factory load.
Aw come on??? This isn't a fair comparison. You compared 123-125gr 7.62x39 to five 150, 190 and 208gr 300BLK rounds. This isn't apples to apples, It's apples to grapefruit. Both the 190 and 208 are sub sonic and drop like a rock. There's more 125 bullots available for the 300BLK.
I've killed many pigs and a few deer with both 7.62x39 and 300BLK and can't tell the difference between the two.
The 110gr Hornady 300BLK actually sucks on pigs, it doesn't get enough penetration into the biguns. Go with Fiocchi 125gr SST, they are loaded with Honady's SST bullots. That will put them in the dirt. For 7.62x39 go with Hornady's BLACK, it's loaded with their 123gr SST bullots. That will also put them in the dirt.
150 gr 300blk is for cheaper plinking.
For performance irs all about the 110s and 200s.
110s are slightly less energy than 7.62x39, but theu seem to work greay for medium critters and 2 legged threats. The 125s are okay for bigger things like hogs. The 150s are just slow except some specialty loadings. The 200s are VERY slow because thats the point.
Honestly 9x39 would habe been the better option if platforns and cartridges were ever developed to push supersonic performance.
It would have put 350 legend to shame, but it never got love, and now imports dried up, so its totally pointless now.
Hardly seems fair that the avg grain of 300 blk is 140 ish. And the 39 is 23. They are both slow so of course almost 20 grains is gonna drop way more. And you threw in 2 sub classes for 300 and no subs for 39...seems a bit weighted don't it
Im disappointed in you. You know damn well that there are plenty of 125 grn 300 Blackout loadings that have similar energy and drop as the 7 .62 x 39.
300BO never impressed me. Subsonic fine. I would never hunt game with anything subsonic. Subsonic ammo just doesn't have the juice for a quick, clean, ethical kill. JMHO
If handloading for a modern firearm, the comparison is essentially a 30cal cartridge with a case capacity of around 20gr of H2O vs a cartridge that can shoot the same bullets but has a case capacity of around 35gr of H2O.
The 300blk is more efficient for subsonic use, but when it comes to supersonic loads, the 7.62x39 can be a significantly more powerful round than the 300blk.
I'm confused. You don't have a 120 or 125 grn comparison for the 300 blk. You jump 25 grs over the 7.69 x 39. So obviously it will be slower. Just not a good comparison. I killed an enormous mule deer last year with a 300 blk with a 120 grn TTSX at 80 yds. He went 15 yds. Massive damage and complete pass through.Nuff said.
It would have been a better comparison if all the bulkets weights were comparable. Most of the 300 loads had bullets heavier than the 7.62 so of course they would have worse ballistics. Mute point for us Illinois hunters, 300 blk is legal to use in Illinois but 7.62x39 is not legal because the case is too long.
Northern Minnesota about 30 minutes south from Canadian boarder, mostly taken deer with 270 WSM at 100 to 400 yards, dropped or ran 50-75 yards. Wanna do bear hunting with 300 win mag, have done some target shooting with CZ 527 7.62x39 at 100 yard with iron sights got about 1.5 MOA with steel case wolf & brass case norma 123 grain
Like them both. But I don't think that your comparison is fair. Just my thoughts. The bullet weights are way off. For . also don't agree with you on the subsonic ammunition. Furthest shot for me has been 110 yards, Ruger American in 300 blackout 208 grain AMAX. Absolutely devastating. Others were convinced that the deer was shot with 300 Winchester Magnum. Inside a 100, exactly the same result on hogs as well. Have a good one and May God bless y'all,Bo. I am also thankful for all of your hard work.
My handload 110gr 300 blackout smacks lil over 1400 ftpounds. Soo that works for me. 7.62x39 hits ~1300. You decide 😂 there both fine but if it's a grizzly... neither either way there very close, less then a .22lr of energy difference. Probobly a .308 is the way to go, non frangible preferred.
Weight X velocity = foot pounds of energy. You’re comparing apples to oranges it’s not a fair comparison. Now let’s compare underwood’s 300BK 125gr Ballistic tip moving 2250 fps with 1405 energy at the muzzle. I could find more but you get the point. Love the videos though.
Anything between 130gr and Subsonic in 300blk is just a silly waste of power and bullets.
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125gr SSTs are where it's at.
Nice info, but terrible comparison selection. You compared 4 rounds with a 2gr spread against 6 rounds 98grain spread and all but a single round with a %20 increase in mass against its opposition. A fair comparison would have been of similar gr (obviously in the 110-135 range would have been logical with a single outlier being subsonic to drive home that point.) Not that is would have changed the fact that the 7.62x39 would have still won but by small margin, and within a reasonable affective range of about 200 yards either are a good selection.
But when you consider the cost of ammo, availability and variety of barrels and their cost in the ar platform. ect the 300blk is a strong contender. Outside 200 yards time to move up to a hotter platform than either of these.
Btw this will be my first year hunting with 300lk and my ammo choice is Fiocchi .300 Blackout, 125 gr SST for deer and AAC .300 110gr VMAX for hog (my 45acres in E TX is a pine stand and you cant see past 60-70 yards anywhere)
I would love to see a video where a compound bow or crossbow with different 100 grain broadhead are used. People bow hunt and handgun hunt and then say that it’s not ethical to use 300BO Subsonic….. I’ve taken deer with 10mm 1200 FPS 180 grain sig vcrown and 300 BO hornady SUB X rounds. You just have to be realistic in your shot placement understand your bullet drop and what your own capabilities are at the end of the day. Sorry you lost your deer that you shot. Just curious what round you were using and the distance you were shooting. This upcoming season I’m going to use the 350 legend SUB X 250gr rounds with my cva scout TD I’m going to limit myself to 75 yards but most of my shots I’ve had in SE GA are 50 or less due to the overgrown environment. I have the crimson trace 300BO scope mounted on it and have it zeroed at 50, figured the BDC drops of 350 legend subsonic and 300 BO subsonic are very similar and look forward to testing them to 150 yards.
The 300 Blackout is at it's best as a subsonic suppressed round, used on people sized targets in military conflicts. It's a weak round for hunting medium sized game. This is a suppressed combat round IMHO. Secondly, it's hard to find ammo for it, while the 7.62 x39 is positively everywhere. I'll stick with it.
The old cz 527 in 7.62x39mm was probably the finest bolt action rifle in said caliber. For starting a youngster out, that would be the way to do it. I wish they never discontinued the product line. But for now, Ruger does off their American Ranch in 7.62x39mm. Technically, if you are an Eastern woodland whitetail hunter and your shots are well within 100 yards typically, that's really all you really need. I definitely agree with your assessment. Also, 7.62x39mm is still comparatively inexpensive to shoot a young hunter and can get plenty of practice with it, grow with it develope their marksmanship skills and become confident. Using 7.62x39mm is more humane to use than any of the .22 centerfires in my opinion. Each is their own.
Ill take a Barnes over any 7.62x39 ammo. Absolutely devastating
can these calibers kill deer at 200+ yards ? yes. is it ethical? No these are good in the woods calibers 100 yards and in. we have night and day better options for beyond that. The 300 blackout i have 10" sbr with suppressor loaded with 110 vmax at max loading with H110 I'm getting over 2400 fps with some pressure sign nothing scary. Dropped plenty of deer DRT with it 100 and in and coyotes at around 220 with my longest kill shot. I have barnes xtac ill be testing out here soon and cant wait to try on deer. Great options but kinda drastic to compare these rounds out to unethical deer hunting distances. love to see bullet reviews at hunting distances and not point blank.
Where are the +150 gr 7.62x39 rounds for comparison? Lets see the numbers on 255 gr 7.62x39 subs.
Hey stranger, long time no see, and I hope all is well.
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I do have an issue with the 300 black out loads you chose You should never hunt with the amax bullet That is a target bullet The 110gr grain Hornady black is a Vmax varmit bullet not great for deer you should of have Fioochi 125gr sst and Hornady Custom 135gr FTX and remember drop doesnt matter if the bullet wont preform in the animal
7:35 This is great. but where i hunt its in the mountains and shots are 50 yards or less. A lot like hunting with a bow. Using subsonic ammo is no different than using a bow and arrow. so sta8ng no one should be using it isnt a true statement. with the righr roind its perfectly find.
comparing it to supersonic 7.62x39 at ranges beyond 100yards is silly. 300blk was designed to be extremely close range.
.300 Blk is for people who can’t touch anything but an AR. Kinda stupid cartridge.