I bought a 350 legend upper During the great pandemic ammo shortage, because even non straight wall state walmarts (like free tenessee) had it in quantity and cheap and they still do. I live at the center of 4 walmarts and I basically had my own personal ammo supply.
Hard for me to venture away from mil-surp calibers, I did with 6.5 creedmoor & accidentally 6.5 grendel. I have plenty of x39, and I don't live in a state that has silly hunting ammo regulations. I'd like to see you keep testing 7.62x39 against all the "new" rounds based on it being the parent case.
350 Legend does what it was intended to do very well. It's a good whitetail round that fits AR mags for states that require straightwall cartridges. Where it really shines is in subsonic loadings. If you want something that does 300 Blackout things but better, 350 Legend is your man.
Does anyone make good 350 legend magazines? I only ever see 5 and 10 round in stores, and I've heard legends (hah!) of 20 rounders, but why no standard capacity? It seems like they're trying to make 350 Legend a decent all-round caliber and it definitely seems like it could be, but it always falls short on capacity.
@herbderbler1585 duramag, cmmg, both make 20 round mags and Wilson combat modifies lancers that hold 19-20 (at least on the ones I own) and they are always in stock at Wilson's. I buy my metal mags from the military exchange but they are everywhere online.
I'd like to see you do a subsonic comparison between 350L, 7.62x39 and 300BO. Obviously it won't be much penetration, so skip the final steel, but I'd still like to see it with the lesser mediums. Maybe add a phone book or catalog test in place of the steel as depth of pages is a good comparison too.
Considering the 350 legend was designed to be a deer hunting round in states that only allow straight-wall cartridges, the 350 did well against an intermediate bottle-neck 'military' cartridge. I suspect the 350 legend would do better on soft targets than the 7.2 x 39.
Considering the reasons the Russians replaced 7.62x39mm at one point with 5.45x39mm (that being concerns over overpenetration), it doesn’t terribly shock me that .350 Legend outperforms 7.62x39mm in regards to damage done.
@@camarokidbb4347 TBF the first generations of intermediate cartridges are mostly shortened rifle cartridges for convenience they couldn't know enough to optimize such a new concept.
@@camarokidbb4347 It had nothing to do with concerns about overpenetration. If anything even the old 7N6 will have more penetration. 5.45 is more accurate, gives the shooter more range, has less recoil, and allows the soldier to carry more ammo. It's a better round in almost every way.
I like the sand box text, as basic as it is, it really is a litmus test for "penetration," (inexpensive too). You may wanna consider a dedicated sad test video with some popular calibers - for science
Penetration against a soft body target, sure, but it doesn’t at all relate to penetration against armor (since 5.56x45mm from a rifle didn’t make it through a 6” sandbox, but a .45 Colt from a Ruger did; no prizes for guessing which is better against armor). It kinda makes me wonder though, if you can design a caliber to be just good enough against armor to penetrate a front plate, go through an enemy, then bounce off his back plate so that the round is more effective against armored tangoes than unarmored…
Very close matchup, im quite impressed 350 penetrated that well. Keep in mind the 350 is putting more energy into target, so while 7.62x39 pulls ahead in penetration just a little, 350 makes up for it with more devastation. You can see some difference in the way the concrete explodes between the two.
@camarokidbb4347 indeed so. Just that little bit of size increases gives some more surface area and weight to put some greater energy into the target on impact. That's why I love checking out ballistics gel vids too. Look up how the matchup is between 45-70 and 500 SW mag out of lever guns. Bighorn Armory is the only company I'm aware of making 500SWM lever rifles. They ain't cheap but damn nice.
7.62 X 39mm uses a pointed FMJ bullet. Better sectional density. Similar energies... probably why the 7.62 worked so well. But for hunting, I'd probably lean towards the Legend....
That would give interesting data. I have a lvl 3 set of plates that alternate layers of quite thin Ar500 steel, and fancy polyethylene. It's surprisingly light, and will stop more than the rated rounds.
@soggycracker5934 What is it called and where did you buy it? I bought 11x14 ceramic and it's heavier than I thought it would be. I wore Xtra large in the army and think it was 10x12, and didn't think the 11x14 would be so heavy.
Hey! Nothing wrong with that!! My son bought 1 of those “CVA”, bolt action rifles (I think it’s made but Bergara?), chambered in .350 Legend & it is an absolute Deer Stopper! He shot a couple deer w/it here on our farm. 1 was an “antlered buck”, the other was an “antler less-button buck”, and neither of them made it very far. The wound channel was insane on the antlered buck, to the point I felt bad for the small guy. The other was all internal damage & massive damage at that. At that moment I became a proponent of the .350 Legend. I put my calipers on it as low as I could on a loaded cartridge & it measured .355-or in other words a 9mm sized bullet. So, basically Winchester took a 9mm and made it into a TRUE “Magnum”! Not sure about this new Remington .360 Buckhammer. You had any experience with it? They claim 25%+ more energy? Anyway, loved what I saw from a “straight wall”, cartridge as we live in Missouri & anything with a primer or center fire is legal. I bought a Savage Mod 25, w/laminate wood stock, vented forearm, double studded for sling & by-pod w/semi heavy barrel & in a vice or sled doesn’t even move when you pull the trigger. Anyways, Missouri is very relaxed on what we can use as hunters so “straight wall’s”, are new for us here but we were very impressed with the results! Shoot straight!!!
@@justinpennington7682 That's objectively not true, multiple manufacturers are making .355 rifle bullets now. Also referring to any cartridge as a "poor performer" without use context is generally foolish. 12 gauge is a poor performer at long range and 6.5 creedmoor is a poor performer if you need massive kinetic energy and .50 BMG is a poor performer if you need a light and handy rifle.
@@justinpennington7682 Okay enjoy your opinion, meanwhile I will enjoy my handy carbine that suits my needs well. I'm sure you can recommend superior straight walls like 50-70 or 38-55 or maybe 38 special but I'm quite satisfied with what I have.
There's a revolver chambered in .350 legend. I'd like to see it compared against a pistol AK in 7.62x39. Both rounds supposedly to work well in short barrels.
Even out of a 16” barrel you’re usually only getting roughly 92% propellant burn out of an ak. Out of a short barrel it would be even worse. Depends what you consider “good”.
before S&W came out with the 7.5" 350 Legend revolver, I was using a 7.5" barrel on my 350 Legend for pistol hunting in Missouri.... the velocity and energy works quiet well, especially at the yardage we usually see. Its a joy to hunt with...
Rifle cartridges from pistol-length barrels (and by that I mean 6” or less) is redundant imho. While the often smaller caliber can make for better penetration compared to typical pistol calibers, the lesser velocity (to the point where temporary wound cavities no longer matter) makes penetration through armor more of a moot point, and the effect on an unarmored target would be more comparable to a .44 Magnum at absolute most, maybe even closer to 10mm Auto or .357 Magnum.
Run soft point hunting round tests with these two. I own a rifle and a X frame in 350 legend and it's a hot little round. Like the .357 Maximum that never took off. Now we have it in a rimless design and it's awesome. Both of these rounds are wonderful deer rounds.
Car window deviation would be neat to see if you could come up with a new sled. Have angled safety glass then a couple feet off set the board to see how bullet preform through glass
the strait wall rounds are now legal in many states to take deer during alternate gun season. Just got a 350 to replace my 50 muzzle loader for hunting.
I'm calling the judge out for bias! As stated, the results were virtually identical in all categories, EXCEPT: the 350 punches a bigger hole. Therefore, I declare the 350 legend the true winner!
Actually, if you really watch, the 350 did not do quite as well as the 7.62. Wood block - 7.62 punched through with no problem. 350 had issues; one round ended up going through a spot already weakened by the 7.62 . The 350 retest was too close to the edge and deviated through the side thus not going through the whole block. Concrete - the 7.62 made a shallow hole, where the 350 made a little dent. They were close, but objectively, the 7.62 won. I don't really care for the 7.62, being a fan of the.308. For barriers I'd prefer the 416 Rigby.
@@annihilationfarmohyeah4808 Usually come in single or double barrel a Lion gun. With hard nose elephant to. I think Kentucky Ballistics has one he shot on his show.
The .350 was the winner; it had the penetration-test! Also, it's projectile was a blunt nose, while the 7.62x39 was a spire tip; not a fair comparison!
I was going to ask why such a cartridge even exists, but then I looked it up. Yup. It exists purely as a consequence of shitty laws. So in other words, in any world other than clown world, it really didn't need to exist. Not saying it _shouldn't_, but it just pisses me off that any fraction of the market is devoted to solving artificial problems.
manufactured problems is probably better than artificial problems, as it is a real problem if you get caught using necked cartridges where lawyers who never hunted in their lives say you shouldnt be
There are countries like Mexico or Italy that legally don't even allow .223/5.56 or .30/7.62/.308 types, so this round could fill gaps and needs there.
Yea idk what your talking bout more grains more velocity equals bigger holes and 350 legend works better out a 7” barrel then other intermediate cartridge on the planet
I think an edge shot as was done with the 350 Legend should not be counted in the 6x6 block. You could see how the grain in the wood let go and that can't be duplicated further inside the block.
I think you should have tried a 170-180 gr FMJ as well as 145 gr. The 7.62x39mm will tumble more easily so shooting through something like a car door or window probably favors the non-spitzer design of the 350 legend.
Just to add about the 350 Legend in comparison to the 30/30. The 30/30 is generally shot out of a 20" barrel and the 350 out of a 16" barrel. I built a 350 with an 18" Barrel and even giving up those extra two inches the 30/30 has nothing on the 350. Ron Spomer did a great comparison on the two cartridges. On the need for the straight walled cartridges in certain states; the problem was hunters not paying attention to what was behind the deer they were aiming at and using long range calibers like 6.5 Creedmoor, 308, or 30/06 that penetrated cars, houses, and sometimes people. I don't like the law but completely understand it's need and intent. The states that adopted the law are all highly populated and long range hunting, by comparison, is under 300 yards or not long range. I live in one of those states and it's very legal to build an AR platform in 350 Legend or 450 Bushmaster. Lastly, the 350 legend is easy to find and generally cheaper than the 30/30 when comparing similar cartridge weights and bullet types. The rifles are far cheaper too, especially if you build your own.
Another good video. ❤ That was a close match. What kind of things could a person do to plywood to increase its defense capabilities? I'm wondering what that black spray gorilla glue stuff would do to plywood. Would it keep concrete fragments from turning into a local hand grenade? Just an idea that's cheap Double B. Keep 'em coming. 🎈🥳🎈
Depends on if you're looking at the spec or not, it's technically both in the 9mm (.355) and .357 family >.> In the SAAMI spec, the bullet diameter is declared as 0.357" - 0.0030" because, in Ohio, the minimum bullet diameter for hunting deer is .357. From my understanding, the - 0.0030" essentially means that the bullet should have a diameter in the range of .354 and .357. It's kind of a tricksydoodle they did to get around Ohio law
Very interesting videos with the barrier testing of testing different materials outside of steel to see what bullets does to wood and sand and concrete. You should test hard wood like off cuts of red gum sleepers and also test aluminium plate to see how much aluminium it takes to stop a bullet because aluminium is a lot softer than mild steel
Awesome test. Still would like to see bullet performance against steel in the uni-sled at an angle, you're no always being shot at from a 180 degrees lol
I built a 350 Legend 16” and a 450 Bushmaster 18”. The 350 is fairly accurate with mild recoil. The 450 is very accurate but the recoil is punishing on the right hand and shoulder. I have been trying to find a 350 8-10.5” barrel for a pistol build. Unsuccessful as of yet.
I have the 20" barreled BCA side charger and I have x 7 20 round Magazines and I have never had a problem .I HAVE TAKEN SEVERAL HOGS AND THEY PERFORMED WITHOUT A PROBLEM
I feel like is is more of an issue with the duramag design. Certain 20rd mags work great, others I have issues with the bottom couple rounds. I really would like to see mag-pul build some 20rd and 30rd mags to try out with 350leg.
I'm still trying to figure out what brand of honey-butter he drinks before he narrates these wonderful ballistics tests. As soon as I figure it out, I'm sending a case to every other TH-camr on the Internet!
I think thr 350 legend would've done much better with the heavier bullets it can use, 170-180gr class. Everything I've seen with those bullets have deep penetrating. Love the content though
@@bananaballistics I see well its still good to see. Also I have taken away something from your videos. Copper bullets are absolutely amazing at penetrating soft targets but horrible at hard targets that's for sure. Thanks
@@bananaballistics Is it mass or speed that defeats the barrier test? Browning ammunition has a 350 legend that is 124 gr fmj at an advertised 2500fps. Let me know if you can't find any, I'll send you a box.
Have you seen those lighter weight 350leg rounds with velocities over 3000fps? I would be curious to see what that would do. All the heavier 350leg rounds are either soft point or hollow point, not the best for penetration.
@@nicks2581 Not really most the deep penetrating rounds I've seen have been the heavier rounds. I think my favorite are the barnes tsx rounds. Total flowers of death
@@bananaballistics Thank you sir. I didn't catch it during the video. It was stated most likely in a moment I was distracted. Good info in this comparison too. With supplies from outside the US being cut off, so to speak, an alternative with similar performance is smart thinking. Appreciate all your content young man.👍🏼
I think you should add clay blocks to measure (estimate) entrance and exit wound diameter. The tie breaker challenge since everything lately seems too close to call.
I think using a .308-.30 caliber round versus a .35 caliber. (9mm), is such a jump in size & +ing mass, energy on target will bring the .350 Legend to the top? Just guessing.
The 350 Legend vs 30-30 Winchester. Both deer rounds. In one corner, the new, kid who's already proven to be a contender. In the other corner, the old workhorse who's been dropping deer for over a century. With both cartridges approximating the power of the 7.62x39mm military round, who will win the showdown?
Come on man! Clearly the .350 Legend took that one! I know if I had to count on a round? I’d go 350 Leg. For “tested & true”, firearm platform? AK-47. Great vid man!
IMHO 350 Legend does a lot of things better than 300 BLK where its supposed to excel at. You must keep in mind 300 blk was basically a kitbash project by SOCOM where they took a 5.56 case and necked it up to .308 which they had a bunch of heavy bullets for and just so happened to work well in the super/sub role. 350 Legend wqs purpose designed to work out maximal performance for the caliber within the constraints of a AR-15 magwell and it shows. The ballistics of the 350 legend is practically identical to 300 blk with the same weight bullets but once you start creeping into the 170 grain territory and above the 350 starts to pull miles ahead in muzzle energy and velocity notwithstanding subsonic loadings, though 350 legend can load up to 270 grains which is actually approaching 9x39mm territory. So if you want an American AS Val, the 350 is a good place to start. You can also use 400 legend if you want to double down at the cost of some magazine capacity (30 round becomes something like 26)
that's a weird caliber comparison. the 7.62x39 vs 3030 would be interesting. I'm fairly sure the 3030 has a bit more power but I don't have a 3030 to test it.
Where 350 shines is load variations. Ive seen 280gr at 1000fps all the way down to 90gr at about 3000fps. Straight walls + ar15 cartridge + big bore + 30rds double stacked = me likie
People the 350 legend is basically a 35 rem in an AR form. The 450 bushmaster is basically a 45-70 in AR form .... They were invented to make a hunting rifle out of an AR.....and yes 35 legend is in a group in which 9mm , 357 , 38 and 35 caliber bullet will work. 40 years ago lots of people tryed to load 357 bullets in the 35 rem. Be cause the small cartridge wouldn't push the big two hundred gr bullet fast enough to kill like they wanted ..lots of deer running off ..
45-70 use .458" bullets the 450 BM uses .451" bullets 45-70 cases are fatter and longer. also the 450BM uses 250gr generally while standard 45-70 uses 405gr and up. I love the 450BM in my 10.5" AR still gets 2000fps out of a 10.5" with 250gr hornady. A very handy swamp Buck hammer.
In 1983 Ruger introduced the .357 Remington Maximum ctg in a Blackhawk revolver! I ran all the case specs on the Maximum and the 350 Legend , we have the same case ! Factory loadings it’s possible the 350 is loaded to a higher pressure level than the maximum was ! Your Chrono readings show it is with the ammo you tested !
I bought a 350 legend upper During the great pandemic ammo shortage, because even non straight wall state walmarts (like free tenessee) had it in quantity and cheap and they still do. I live at the center of 4 walmarts and I basically had my own personal ammo supply.
But, it isn't cheap in Ga. Anymore!
I did the same thing during the pandemic!
Yep, I’m in San Antonio and during Covid. The only thing you could find was 350 legend, and 30-06
It’s not cheap anymore. Especially for a decent hunting grain weight.
I did for the same reasons
Smart man. 😃👍
Take a drink every time he says “3/4 inch piece of plywood”
lol, wouldn’t take long to be feeling good
Or lumber
@@spoot8835 or good to go
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Take a drink everytime he allows you to actually see the velocities and you'll never get drunk!!
Hard for me to venture away from mil-surp calibers, I did with 6.5 creedmoor & accidentally 6.5 grendel. I have plenty of x39, and I don't live in a state that has silly hunting ammo regulations.
I'd like to see you keep testing 7.62x39 against all the "new" rounds based on it being the parent case.
Would love to see a 6.5mm showdown between 6.5 swedish,6.5 creedmoor and 6.5 PRC that would get you lots of likes and subscribers 😮
6.5 Grendel?
6.5 Grendel vs 6.5 creedmor would be a great match up but the 6.5 prc would destroy the creedmor
How bout.26 nosler
Forgot 6.5 Carcano.
@@VroomNBoomgrendal has less powder to fit in AR Less speed to creedmoor and usealy 10 grams lighter bullet
350 Legend does what it was intended to do very well. It's a good whitetail round that fits AR mags for states that require straightwall cartridges.
Where it really shines is in subsonic loadings. If you want something that does 300 Blackout things but better, 350 Legend is your man.
Does anyone make good 350 legend magazines? I only ever see 5 and 10 round in stores, and I've heard legends (hah!) of 20 rounders, but why no standard capacity? It seems like they're trying to make 350 Legend a decent all-round caliber and it definitely seems like it could be, but it always falls short on capacity.
@herbderbler1585 duramag, cmmg, both make 20 round mags and Wilson combat modifies lancers that hold 19-20 (at least on the ones I own) and they are always in stock at Wilson's. I buy my metal mags from the military exchange but they are everywhere online.
I'd like to see you do a subsonic comparison between 350L, 7.62x39 and 300BO. Obviously it won't be much penetration, so skip the final steel, but I'd still like to see it with the lesser mediums. Maybe add a phone book or catalog test in place of the steel as depth of pages is a good comparison too.
i dont think theres a single state that requires strait wall ammunition olny
@@charlesballiet7074 for some hunts there absolutely are. That was the purpose 350 Legend was created for.
Considering the 350 legend was designed to be a deer hunting round in states that only allow straight-wall cartridges, the 350 did well against an intermediate bottle-neck 'military' cartridge. I suspect the 350 legend would do better on soft targets than the 7.2 x 39.
Considering the reasons the Russians replaced 7.62x39mm at one point with 5.45x39mm (that being concerns over overpenetration), it doesn’t terribly shock me that .350 Legend outperforms 7.62x39mm in regards to damage done.
@@camarokidbb4347 TBF the first generations of intermediate cartridges are mostly shortened rifle cartridges for convenience they couldn't know enough to optimize such a new concept.
Why is ‘military’ in quotes?
@@Hornet135😢😢😢😢
@@camarokidbb4347 It had nothing to do with concerns about overpenetration. If anything even the old 7N6 will have more penetration. 5.45 is more accurate, gives the shooter more range, has less recoil, and allows the soldier to carry more ammo. It's a better round in almost every way.
I like the sand box text, as basic as it is, it really is a litmus test for "penetration," (inexpensive too). You may wanna consider a dedicated sad test video with some popular calibers - for science
Penetration against a soft body target, sure, but it doesn’t at all relate to penetration against armor (since 5.56x45mm from a rifle didn’t make it through a 6” sandbox, but a .45 Colt from a Ruger did; no prizes for guessing which is better against armor).
It kinda makes me wonder though, if you can design a caliber to be just good enough against armor to penetrate a front plate, go through an enemy, then bounce off his back plate so that the round is more effective against armored tangoes than unarmored…
Very close matchup, im quite impressed 350 penetrated that well. Keep in mind the 350 is putting more energy into target, so while 7.62x39 pulls ahead in penetration just a little, 350 makes up for it with more devastation. You can see some difference in the way the concrete explodes between the two.
It’s amazing what a 0.04” caliber width difference can do.
(I know 7.62mm translates to 0.3”, Russian 7.62mm rounds are 0.311” in diameter however.)
@camarokidbb4347 indeed so. Just that little bit of size increases gives some more surface area and weight to put some greater energy into the target on impact. That's why I love checking out ballistics gel vids too. Look up how the matchup is between 45-70 and 500 SW mag out of lever guns. Bighorn Armory is the only company I'm aware of making 500SWM lever rifles. They ain't cheap but damn nice.
That and the case size
@camarokidbb4347 some nagants go up to .314
7.62 X 39mm uses a pointed FMJ bullet. Better sectional density.
Similar energies... probably why the 7.62 worked so well.
But for hunting, I'd probably lean towards the Legend....
You should try using 1/8 inch mild plate stacked to those same thicknesses. You'll get very different results at same thickness.
That would give interesting data. I have a lvl 3 set of plates that alternate layers of quite thin Ar500 steel, and fancy polyethylene. It's surprisingly light, and will stop more than the rated rounds.
That’s true, I’ll have to see what I can come up with
@@bananaballistics I'm new here, but changing the lineup takes away from the "standardized testing" I say keep it the same.
@@samohteel4393 Adding to the selection seems like a good option, as long as the materials are cost efficient.
@soggycracker5934 What is it called and where did you buy it? I bought 11x14 ceramic and it's heavier than I thought it would be. I wore Xtra large in the army and think it was 10x12, and didn't think the 11x14 would be so heavy.
I'm a simple man. I see 350 legend, I click thumbnail.
Hey! Nothing wrong with that!! My son bought 1 of those “CVA”, bolt action rifles (I think it’s made but Bergara?), chambered in .350 Legend & it is an absolute Deer Stopper! He shot a couple deer w/it here on our farm. 1 was an “antlered buck”, the other was an “antler less-button buck”, and neither of them made it very far. The wound channel was insane on the antlered buck, to the point I felt bad for the small guy. The other was all internal damage & massive damage at that. At that moment I became a proponent of the .350 Legend. I put my calipers on it as low as I could on a loaded cartridge & it measured .355-or in other words a 9mm sized bullet. So, basically Winchester took a 9mm and made it into a TRUE “Magnum”! Not sure about this new Remington .360 Buckhammer. You had any experience with it? They claim 25%+ more energy? Anyway, loved what I saw from a “straight wall”, cartridge as we live in Missouri & anything with a primer or center fire is legal. I bought a Savage Mod 25, w/laminate wood stock, vented forearm, double studded for sling & by-pod w/semi heavy barrel & in a vice or sled doesn’t even move when you pull the trigger. Anyways, Missouri is very relaxed on what we can use as hunters so “straight wall’s”, are new for us here but we were very impressed with the results! Shoot straight!!!
It shoots a pistol bullet. It's a very poor performer
@@justinpennington7682 That's objectively not true, multiple manufacturers are making .355 rifle bullets now. Also referring to any cartridge as a "poor performer" without use context is generally foolish. 12 gauge is a poor performer at long range and 6.5 creedmoor is a poor performer if you need massive kinetic energy and .50 BMG is a poor performer if you need a light and handy rifle.
@@A_potato9772 it's the worst straightwall cartridge available.
@@justinpennington7682 Okay enjoy your opinion, meanwhile I will enjoy my handy carbine that suits my needs well. I'm sure you can recommend superior straight walls like 50-70 or 38-55 or maybe 38 special but I'm quite satisfied with what I have.
Another solid video. Very impressive how close it was. Honestly, more of a 350 Legend fan than 7.62x39. Couldn't have been a more fair match up.
There's a revolver chambered in .350 legend. I'd like to see it compared against a pistol AK in 7.62x39. Both rounds supposedly to work well in short barrels.
Even out of a 16” barrel you’re usually only getting roughly 92% propellant burn out of an ak. Out of a short barrel it would be even worse. Depends what you consider “good”.
Стрелял из укороченного ствола АК ~20см(7,5 in).
Огромная вспышка и громкий звук, по ощущениям, работало не более 50% пороха. С уважением.
before S&W came out with the 7.5" 350 Legend revolver, I was using a 7.5" barrel on my 350 Legend for pistol hunting in Missouri.... the velocity and energy works quiet well, especially at the yardage we usually see. Its a joy to hunt with...
Rifle cartridges from pistol-length barrels (and by that I mean 6” or less) is redundant imho. While the often smaller caliber can make for better penetration compared to typical pistol calibers, the lesser velocity (to the point where temporary wound cavities no longer matter) makes penetration through armor more of a moot point, and the effect on an unarmored target would be more comparable to a .44 Magnum at absolute most, maybe even closer to 10mm Auto or .357 Magnum.
350 will travel about 2000 ft per second out of a 10.5 inch barrel It's a phenomenal round for a pdw
.44 magnum vs. 30-30 18" barrels
Iraq veteran did one where he tested various calibers in brush. .44 outperformed .3030 in brush. Which did surprise me at first.
@@brianc9374Heavier rounds do better with brush; that’s why the brush guns I’ve seen are all .45 caliber or similar.
Good video! And sand bags are bad ass bullet stoppers.
I would like to see a comparison of the 350 legend v 400 legend. Great job btw!
the testing confirms what I already suspected 350 legend creates a bigger hole dumps a lot more energy but doesn't penetrate quite as deeply
We have to find something that can beat the box of sand. 🤣
I agree lol
I'm curious if something like 6.5 creedmoor would. Slender small diameter fast bullet. Or a 300 blackout subsonic 220 grain. Maybe 8.6 blackout.
Run soft point hunting round tests with these two. I own a rifle and a X frame in 350 legend and it's a hot little round. Like the .357 Maximum that never took off. Now we have it in a rimless design and it's awesome. Both of these rounds are wonderful deer rounds.
This is why we built firing positions and barriers with sand bags. It works.
That was funny how you kept pulling your shots in this episode, lol. That's real life for ya'!
Car window deviation would be neat to see if you could come up with a new sled. Have angled safety glass then a couple feet off set the board to see how bullet preform through glass
alot of the surplus ammo for 7.62 is steel core does that make a difference on steel /sand etc? keep them videos coming!
I love Raymond. I'm so glad he is doing ballistics videos!
the strait wall rounds are now legal in many states to take deer during alternate gun season. Just got a 350 to replace my 50 muzzle loader for hunting.
I'd like to see the .360 buckhamner vs the .350 legend., with similar weight rounds.
I'm calling the judge out for bias! As stated, the results were virtually identical in all categories, EXCEPT: the 350 punches a bigger hole. Therefore, I declare the 350 legend the true winner!
Actually, if you really watch, the 350 did not do quite as well as the 7.62.
Wood block - 7.62 punched through with no problem.
350 had issues; one round ended up going through a spot already weakened by the 7.62 . The 350 retest was too close to the edge and deviated through the side thus not going through the whole block.
Concrete - the 7.62 made a shallow hole, where the 350 made a little dent.
They were close, but objectively, the 7.62 won. I don't really care for the 7.62, being a fan of the.308.
For barriers I'd prefer the 416 Rigby.
Yeah let me just get my 416 Rigby AR15 out from the safe, be right back 😉@@tasatort9778
@@tasatort9778What is a 416 Rigby? I only know of a 416 Honey badger.
@@annihilationfarmohyeah4808 Usually come in single or double barrel a Lion gun. With hard nose elephant to. I think Kentucky Ballistics has one he shot on his show.
@@tasatort9778 Ladies prefer girth.
I love the “this side up” label is upside down 😂
As long as it's not on the BOTTOM...
The .350 Legend was the real winner. Penetration was virtually identical but it was making wider holes.
The .350 was the winner; it had the penetration-test!
Also, it's projectile was a blunt nose, while the 7.62x39 was a spire tip; not a fair comparison!
Gotta say shooting threw the lumber the 350 blew out the back
I was going to ask why such a cartridge even exists, but then I looked it up. Yup. It exists purely as a consequence of shitty laws. So in other words, in any world other than clown world, it really didn't need to exist. Not saying it _shouldn't_, but it just pisses me off that any fraction of the market is devoted to solving artificial problems.
manufactured problems is probably better than artificial problems, as it is a real problem if you get caught using necked cartridges where lawyers who never hunted in their lives say you shouldnt be
There are countries like Mexico or Italy that legally don't even allow .223/5.56 or .30/7.62/.308 types, so this round could fill gaps and needs there.
Yea idk what your talking bout more grains more velocity equals bigger holes and 350 legend works better out a 7” barrel then other intermediate cartridge on the planet
And not to mention reloads with 115 grain 9mm projectiles they go 4000 fps
@@andrewkitchen7554 You are correct. You don't know. A little bit of reading comprehension goes a long way towards preventing irrelevant word salads.
I think an edge shot as was done with the 350 Legend should not be counted in the 6x6 block. You could see how the grain in the wood let go and that can't be duplicated further inside the block.
Great video, and i love the target sled, but it just triggers my OCD because it is unpainted bare steel! LOL
Will we ever see if range plays a factor
It’s a possibility. If I ever get more range to play with
I think you should have tried a 170-180 gr FMJ as well as 145 gr. The 7.62x39mm will tumble more easily so shooting through something like a car door or window probably favors the non-spitzer design of the 350 legend.
Just to add about the 350 Legend in comparison to the 30/30. The 30/30 is generally shot out of a 20" barrel and the 350 out of a 16" barrel. I built a 350 with an 18" Barrel and even giving up those extra two inches the 30/30 has nothing on the 350. Ron Spomer did a great comparison on the two cartridges. On the need for the straight walled cartridges in certain states; the problem was hunters not paying attention to what was behind the deer they were aiming at and using long range calibers like 6.5 Creedmoor, 308, or 30/06 that penetrated cars, houses, and sometimes people. I don't like the law but completely understand it's need and intent. The states that adopted the law are all highly populated and long range hunting, by comparison, is under 300 yards or not long range. I live in one of those states and it's very legal to build an AR platform in 350 Legend or 450 Bushmaster. Lastly, the 350 legend is easy to find and generally cheaper than the 30/30 when comparing similar cartridge weights and bullet types. The rifles are far cheaper too, especially if you build your own.
Another good video. ❤ That was a close match.
What kind of things could a person do to plywood to increase its defense capabilities? I'm wondering what that black spray gorilla glue stuff would do to plywood. Would it keep concrete fragments from turning into a local hand grenade?
Just an idea that's cheap Double B. Keep 'em coming. 🎈🥳🎈
Put some layers of fiberglass on the plywood and it will help it to resist the bullets.
@@actionjksn - Yeah but I'd like to see it in a video. With and without.
How many layers will it penetrate without and with?
I don't have a 7.62x39 but I do really like my 18" 350legend upper
I love my 18" BCA upper in 350 legend.
1:21 how many times can you say lumber 😂😂 I’m just kidding it’s nothing but love
Crazy that the 350 Legend is in the 9mm family 😂
Depends on if you're looking at the spec or not, it's technically both in the 9mm (.355) and .357 family >.> In the SAAMI spec, the bullet diameter is declared as 0.357" - 0.0030" because, in Ohio, the minimum bullet diameter for hunting deer is .357. From my understanding, the - 0.0030" essentially means that the bullet should have a diameter in the range of .354 and .357. It's kind of a tricksydoodle they did to get around Ohio law
Very interesting videos with the barrier testing of testing different materials outside of steel to see what bullets does to wood and sand and concrete. You should test hard wood like off cuts of red gum sleepers and also test aluminium plate to see how much aluminium it takes to stop a bullet because aluminium is a lot softer than mild steel
Could you do a 300 Blackout vs 300 HAM'R???
It would be interesting to see how the 7.62 performs with a longer SKS barrel and if the jacket was copper vs bi-metal.
Steel jackets typically exhibit less deformation at the 7.62 velocity.
barrel length does not mean much for either round so long barrel wont do crap
Could you try to stack this up to the 224 valk and the 6 arc?
Any plans to test 6.8 Western vs 6.8 Remington?
I highly doubt I would ever get around to that one but never say never
Try out the 30 cal cabinetry by underwood?😮
Savage has a .350 legend on sale at Dunham's right now for $329.00
Get it.
Awesome test. Still would like to see bullet performance against steel in the uni-sled at an angle, you're no always being shot at from a 180 degrees lol
Awesome channel 👍
I'll bet that box-o-sand is really a box-o-bullets by now 😂
Can you try shot which grain is the best for 6.5 full metal jacket grendal through stell
Can you please compare a .22 lr with a .50 BMG? I'd like to see how they compare.
That 350 Legend surprised me going through the 1/4 steel.
I built a 350 Legend 16” and a 450 Bushmaster 18”. The 350 is fairly accurate with mild recoil. The 450 is very accurate but the recoil is punishing on the right hand and shoulder. I have been trying to find a 350 8-10.5” barrel for a pistol build. Unsuccessful as of yet.
happy thanksgiving banana ballistics
Dude, I was seeing end grain shots with side grain retrievals.
Im pretty fond of 350 legend. Too bad they dont play nice with +20rd mags.
I agree, would be nice
All I have ever used for 350 Legend are the 20 round C Products Defense/Duramag magazines and they have always functioned flawlessly for me.
My cmmg 20 mags never failed with Adams arms piston.
I have the 20" barreled BCA side charger and I have x 7 20 round Magazines and I have never had a problem .I HAVE TAKEN SEVERAL HOGS AND THEY PERFORMED WITHOUT A PROBLEM
I feel like is is more of an issue with the duramag design.
Certain 20rd mags work great, others I have issues with the bottom couple rounds.
I really would like to see mag-pul build some 20rd and 30rd mags to try out with 350leg.
Do you pull the bullets out of the sand before shooting the next? If it hit another bullet in the sand that will stop a bullet.
This is good to know next time Im out hunting 3/4" plywood squares!
I'm still trying to figure out what brand of honey-butter he drinks before he narrates these wonderful ballistics tests. As soon as I figure it out, I'm sending a case to every other TH-camr on the Internet!
I assume the Commie round was a steel jacketed mild steel core vs a gilding metal jacketed lead core bullet in the 350 -Chevy- Legend.
How does the 350 compare to the old .357 Maximum.
Based off of the specs, .350 legend is probably more powerful than .357 max
The 350 legend was made to duplicate 35 remington ballistically.
Kind of think your personal bias decided that round lol
Think results might change if 350 FMJ didn’t have the flat nose on them?
Try the .350 Legend with a 20" Barrel for more velocity those 16" barrels waste the velocities in a muzzle flash.
Not much difference between 16 and 20”
Awesome video!
I’m pretty that’s closer to one and half inches thick just saying! Love the videos.
I don't think you're pretty at all. 😐
Not that pretty
@@JacobTheGunNut idk man I’m kind of pretty
Have you done .30-06 v 35 Whelen? Hooooo boy. Hope you like recoil.
I think thr 350 legend would've done much better with the heavier bullets it can use, 170-180gr class. Everything I've seen with those bullets have deep penetrating. Love the content though
It’s very possible. I was just trying to stick with the fmj theme on these tests.
@@bananaballistics I see well its still good to see. Also I have taken away something from your videos. Copper bullets are absolutely amazing at penetrating soft targets but horrible at hard targets that's for sure. Thanks
@@bananaballistics Is it mass or speed that defeats the barrier test? Browning ammunition has a 350 legend that is 124 gr fmj at an advertised 2500fps. Let me know if you can't find any, I'll send you a box.
Have you seen those lighter weight 350leg rounds with velocities over 3000fps?
I would be curious to see what that would do.
All the heavier 350leg rounds are either soft point or hollow point, not the best for penetration.
@@nicks2581 Not really most the deep penetrating rounds I've seen have been the heavier rounds. I think my favorite are the barnes tsx rounds. Total flowers of death
Thank you
Are both FMJ? I'm guessing the 350 legend is not.
Yes, 145 gr fmj in 350 legend
@@bananaballistics Thank you sir. I didn't catch it during the video. It was stated most likely in a moment I was distracted. Good info in this comparison too. With supplies from outside the US being cut off, so to speak, an alternative with similar performance is smart thinking. Appreciate all your content young man.👍🏼
6.5 Grendel Vs All of them
We will have to see
Im a 6.5 grendel super fan....wish more people jumped on the bandwagon😮
How did you draw that conclusion?
I think you should add clay blocks to measure (estimate) entrance and exit wound diameter. The tie breaker challenge since everything lately seems too close to call.
It’d be nice if muzzle brake makers created a 9mm (.355’) brake that’s actually full length. I’m talking to you VG6 Precision…
I think using a .308-.30 caliber round versus a .35 caliber. (9mm), is such a jump in size & +ing mass, energy on target will bring the .350 Legend to the top? Just guessing.
Hey Nana test 7mm. mag 195gr.?🤔
The 350 Legend vs 30-30 Winchester. Both deer rounds. In one corner, the new, kid who's already proven to be a contender. In the other corner, the old workhorse who's been dropping deer for over a century. With both cartridges approximating the power of the 7.62x39mm military round, who will win the showdown?
7.62×54r test❤
you are the goat🐐
At what distance are you shooting?
50 yards
Come on man! Clearly the .350 Legend took that one! I know if I had to count on a round? I’d go 350 Leg. For “tested & true”, firearm platform? AK-47. Great vid man!
Maybe a 4” thick box of sand would differentiate some cartridges.
I’m going to try a 6” after the next several videos. We will see
7.62x39 was it steel case ?
IMHO 350 Legend does a lot of things better than 300 BLK where its supposed to excel at. You must keep in mind 300 blk was basically a kitbash project by SOCOM where they took a 5.56 case and necked it up to .308 which they had a bunch of heavy bullets for and just so happened to work well in the super/sub role.
350 Legend wqs purpose designed to work out maximal performance for the caliber within the constraints of a AR-15 magwell and it shows. The ballistics of the 350 legend is practically identical to 300 blk with the same weight bullets but once you start creeping into the 170 grain territory and above the 350 starts to pull miles ahead in muzzle energy and velocity notwithstanding subsonic loadings, though 350 legend can load up to 270 grains which is actually approaching 9x39mm territory. So if you want an American AS Val, the 350 is a good place to start. You can also use 400 legend if you want to double down at the cost of some magazine capacity (30 round becomes something like 26)
.300 Blackout is just AAC and Remington capitalizing on the success J.D. Jones' already made with the .300 Whisper wildcat.
450 Bushmaster vs 458 socom vs 50 Beowulf, please!
that's a weird caliber comparison. the 7.62x39 vs 3030 would be interesting. I'm fairly sure the 3030 has a bit more power but I don't have a 3030 to test it.
Should have changed 6x6 between calibers. You can see the wood is breaking down the more you shoot it. Makes it easier for each consecutive round
Just a thought, maybe put 2 pieces of concrete spaced apart to simulate a concrete block wall...
Im still impressed by how efficient sand is as a barrier.
It’s the best armor for the money. We lined the floor and dash with sandbags in our trucks; everyone came back with their set.
That box of sand is the volume standard the military would use to stop many types of rounds. Lol. Not many small ar.s would make it through...
7.62 favored twice with draws...😂
Where 350 shines is load variations. Ive seen 280gr at 1000fps all the way down to 90gr at about 3000fps. Straight walls + ar15 cartridge + big bore + 30rds double stacked = me likie
Why pressure treated? And do you know what a struggle bus is?
Could maybe try solid bricks if your lookin for new barriers to test
Has anything ever went through the sandbox??
People the 350 legend is basically a 35 rem in an AR form. The 450 bushmaster is basically a 45-70 in AR form ....
They were invented to make a hunting rifle out of an AR.....and yes 35 legend is in a group in which 9mm , 357 , 38 and 35 caliber bullet will work. 40 years ago lots of people tryed to load 357 bullets in the 35 rem. Be cause the small cartridge wouldn't push the big two hundred gr bullet fast enough to kill like they wanted ..lots of deer running off ..
45-70 use .458" bullets the 450 BM uses .451" bullets 45-70 cases are fatter and longer. also the 450BM uses 250gr generally while standard 45-70 uses 405gr and up. I love the 450BM in my 10.5" AR still gets 2000fps out of a 10.5" with 250gr hornady. A very handy swamp Buck hammer.
This isn’t scientific, but it's fun to see the results.
OMG! Those Shoes!
You should do 350 legend vs Buffalo Bore 357 Magnum from a carbine.
30-30 vs 350 legend vs 450 bushmaster vs 400 legend
In 1983 Ruger introduced the .357 Remington Maximum ctg in a Blackhawk revolver!
I ran all the case specs on the Maximum and the 350 Legend , we have the same case !
Factory loadings it’s possible the 350 is loaded to a higher pressure level than the maximum was !
Your Chrono readings show it is with the ammo you tested !