@@leetskeet4476 same thing about a console, it's not just a GPU, you literally know nothing about consoles and speaking about PC like it's the same technology wise when it's not
@melxvee6850 A console is literally a gimped version of a PC with a proprietary OS catered to 13 year olds who can't comprehend the basics of a PC. Both have nearly identical components, you just choose to pay a 30% markup on your components and be restricted by the games you can play. There's a reason console exclusives are going away and console sales overall are dwindling every year- they're garbage.
Ps5 pro is a decent upgrade for people looking to drop the ps5 off at GameStop lol but just buying raw when you already have one I wouldn’t recommend that
That’s actually so true because you have to play it on something to build and a tv that can show you what the TV has to offer will cost you a $1,000+ and then you’ve got things like subscriptions to think about
They used a am5 motherboard and when building a ps5 pro build you should stay below x470 you can get one for 100 bucks , for the cpu a 5600x is preferred and cheap , then for the gpu based on the spec I think 7900 gets close to the specs of the pro but again that upscaling is missing, 2TB of storage, 16gb of ram 16gb of ram clocked at 3600 than build is almost 1000 dollars tho if you add in the missing stuff
watch TheTerks video on the pro. He dismantles any argument anyone would make about the 4070 being equivalent . With builds and performance comparisons with best known tech. they’re not equivalent.
@@sladewilson377 power is irrelevant when the os(windows for Xbox and Linux for ps) stands in the way. Linux running on hardware that it is developed for runs better than windows does on the same hardware.
@@VenomusDragon-gx8xt we are talking about raw power not software systems. At the end of the day, the PS5 even the pro version will struggle to meet the raw power of a budget gaming laptop. A 4070 could murder a PS5, a 4070 ti super would vaporise it 😂 The PS5 pro has the same CPU as the PS5. My gaming laptop is an 13th Gen Intel® Core™ i7-13650HX (24 MB cache, 14 cores, 20 threads, up to 4.90 GHz Turbo) Not even a PS5 pro has a CPU that fast 😂😂
@@VenomusDragon-gx8xt we are talking about raw power not software systems. At the end of the day, the PS5 even the pro version will struggle to meet the raw power of a budget gaming laptop. A 4070 could murder a PS5, a 4070 ti super would vaporise it 😂 The PS5 pro has the same CPU as the PS5. My gaming laptop is an 13th Gen Intel® Core™ i7-13650HX (24 MB cache, 14 cores, 20 threads, up to 4.90 GHz Turbo) Not even a PS5 pro has a CPU that fast 😂😂
" Garbage" based on your comment I can see why your lonely with no friends because that GPU is more than 3x the price of the PS5 for the GPU alone (not even the whole pc) so I would sure hope it's way better once your done building the whole pc for 4000$ compared to 500-700 yet your the type of person who complained about the apple vision pro being to expensive the only thing "garbage" is you cause clearly if your this butthurt about a console you don't deserve to be on the internet especially when your talking about a freaking 4090 like its any ware near as cheap as a console when it's only a GPU so you put consoles down like don't get us talking about your spending choices when I doubt you even have one and are broke lol, real gamers don't put others down to raise themselves up 😂
There is no way in the world you’re going to build a PC for $700 that you can use that will outperform the PS five Pro. I mean out of the box 1st of all games are optimized for the PS five where is they are not optimized for PC. You need to optimize your PC to play them, that’s convenience. Factor money to some alone. Your parts are not going to work the PS five uses DDR six not DDR four. You only got one terabyte on your drive. You’re sitting at $688 with no operating system no keyboard no mouse remember the PS five has a controller and is ready to go, throw in 90 bucks for a PS five controller or 100+ for keyboard and mouse no scalping for the operating system either so you’re looking at another hundred dollars otherwise you just have a PC sitting on the shelf that you can look at. We could go with the PS five also comes with Astro included, but if you don’t play that, it really would be insignificant anyways of course you could get two free games if you buy the right AMD card but that will definitely put you over Mark
@@VGFightSchool why would I build a PC in the last six months nothing new has came out since the last one I’m waiting till the 5090s come out. But I am a realist and I can see the convenience of owning a console. I also know that tuning your PC to play games is a lot of work the companies that make games make them for the console to perform well with them. And if you build a PC and don’t get a operating system and a keyboard and mouse, you just have something sitting on the shelf.. and just those two things will cost you $200 and I’m talking minimum because most of my peripherals cost almost $200 by themselves. Certainly, you can spend the same amount of money on just the interior components and perform a PS five pro but you’re going to have to do a lot of settings. The guy that bought the PS5 pro connected to his TV plugs in and is up and gaming in a few minutes. And after the initial install probably inside a minute you can hit a button on your controller. Your TV turns on and everything and you’re in a game.
@@3Gunzdeep My mouse cost $7 I use it on my 4080 build. What practicality are you referring to that's making you spend $200 on a mouse and KB. My keyboard cost about $27 on this same build. Bought it on Amazon open box about 5 years ago. You mentioned nothing new has come out as if PC gamers only build when "its new". It can even capture my console footage as well when I'm playing old Xbox one games. See, I've been making these videos for months now. These reasons you're giving are just excuses. Most of my audience members can rebuild a car engine, wire up a house with electrical units. They work in construction, oil field, auto engineering and many other jobs that require hands on application. Unless they don't wanna deal with a PC, then sure. But their capabilities can have them gaming in seconds as well. They can figure out a build. I'm a realist as well. I can see that console makers need gamers to be in fantasy land of convenience while skimping them for every dime in their pocket with subscriptions and more expensive games.
@@VGFightSchool look I’ve been gaming on PC since the very beginning of PC gaming even before the 386 came out. I am saying that it would be impossible to build a comparable PC for $700. By the way, my mouse cost $150 logitech G Pro wireless I believe my Logitech keyboard was around 100 bucks but I can’t remember. What I’m talking about is someone that has no PC or no consul in their possession they are not going to be able to buy all the parts and assemble it. Put windows on it for less than $700.. We all know that the games are optimized for the console that they are being sold for. They can’t do that with PC because there are too many options. Also I would say for a comparison you have to use a brand new windows edition which is around $90. I believe I know you can get them online for $20 with a code but comparison you have to use new stuff oem. Also on your build you only had a one terabyte drive the PS5 pro comes with 2 TB. We also don’t know the read and write speed of the drives on the console. Technically to compare, you would need to include a dual sense controller also because that comes with the console. They cost about $90 new here in the United States. I just don’t think they are ripping people off as much as they think. What a rip off was when I upgraded from the 1080ti to the 2080 ti for a whopping five frames per second for $1200. I couldn’t even land a 3090 ti so I had to spend $5000 on a prebuilt PC just to get one because I will not give scalpers money. And the performance increase over the other PC was not that great for that much money. No spending $1800 on the 4090 seem to be a pretty good upgrade as far as the performance gained however I have spent a lot of money going back to the beginning. I’m probably over $25,000 worth of PC parts.
That CPU is 10% better than the PS5 under CPU bound scenarios, and there is no shot the PS5 Pro is like a 4070. Not only it's 60% better than the base PS5 on avarage, when the Pro is UP TO 45% faster, but also, it's 50% faster than a 3080 when you turn on ray tracing, considering that GPU is faster and already has way better RT performance than the base PS5. The 4070 also includes AI Frame Generation. THE AI Frame Generation, and PSSR isn't like DLSS. It's better than FSR, but so is XeSS, something you can use on AMD GPUs on PC. It's like... you have the 6800 or the 7700 XT that are close to what the Pro should offer, and can do a lot more because it's PC so if you want to use FSR 3 mods and mix it with XeSS to get stupid high framerates, and you can get better RT performance than what you see on the Pro presentation, but because on paper the ray tracing performance is worse (again, on paper), PlayStation fanboys instantly go "okay, let's use this other alternative that is much better at everything and can do things that are generations ahead of consoles"... Like... WHAT!?
I think a more accurate estimate for the pro is an rtx 3070 ti given if it's feature set and estimates in RT performance while roughly matching the rx 7700 xt in raster performance, although it has less vram. We won't really have a more accurate estimate until RDNA4 releases. Also xess shouldn't be brought up since it has a higher performance cost and worse quality on AMD hardware relative to intel gpus since it has to run through the DP4a pathway. We'll just have to wait for FSR4 to get a better idea regarding image quality. Lastly frame generation shouldn't be brought up when discussing performance since it's just an increase in fluidity with the cost of increased latency
@@MrLuna109 With that GPU (7700 XT) we are talking about a 1 fps or 4 fps difference, if there is one in the first place (depends on the game). Why wouldn't you bring XeSS up? And the problem with talking about a 3070Ti is that, unless it's used, it's really overpriced, so it's pointless when we are talking about matching PS5 Pro for more or less the same price. At that point you should actually go for a 4070. The closest you can get is with something like the 7700 XT, and no one gave us confirmation on that GPU not performing better than the Pro yet. The biggest "pro" the Pro has, ON PAPER, is rt performance. Weird flex when your CPU is that weak, which is why we saw Hogwarts Legacy running at 30 fps. Frame Generation counts because it gives you a higher framerate. It SHOULD be part of the conversation when it does a really good job at giving you extra frames with an insane quality, and when one of the biggest issues with consoles is input latency. There is no con when we talk about DLSS 3 on PC vs. raster performance on consoles. To use an example, you would be adding 15 ms to get to 120 fps on top of the 46 ms you have in a game with a 60Hz output thanks to Nvidia Reflex, using a PS5 controller, when that same game would have 112 ms on PS5 anyways. If consoles already have a huge latency issue, then you don't have a latency disadvantage when you turn on DLSS 3 FG. What you said about fluidity is like saying that more raster performance just means I had an increase in fluidity and slightly better input latency (once your framerate is high enough the difference is really low). We are talking about AI Frame Generation. It's way better than your classic interpolation. It actually gives you more frames using game data like motion vectors. It makes frametimes smoother. They are not "fake frames", like some people call them, because they are frames. They exist. If you want to call something "fake", then everything in a game is fake, which is why we have terms like "impostors". They are AI generated frames, which just means they don't come from rasterization, and they can have some pros, like being able to give you a higher framerate on objects that are being shown at a lower framerate than the rest of the game, which is pretty normal to see on videogames. Not everything related to performance is just latency, and if it was, then that logic would be easy to break, because if the combination between DLSS 3 FG and Nvidia Reflex is giving me a much lower input latency and a higher framerate than what I had with those things turned off, it would just mean my performance is much higher. The only time I would see DLSS 3 FG as a bad thing is if was trying to get a higher framerate on a competitive game where my framerate is already way higher than my refresh rate, to the point my frametime is smooth enough, because it would literally do nothing for my performance. It would just add latency.
@@joseijosei Frame gen isn't actual frame rate so it's not relevant regarding performance and the 7700 XT doesn't take into account increased RT performance. The 4070 shouldn't be in the conversation, I brought up the rtx 3070 TI since it's a more accurate estimate in performance, it had nothing to do with price. I already said why xess shouldn't be brought up
PS5 Pro cannot match any of the mid or top range AMD 6000 or 7000 GPUs based on the fact that frame generation is a must on the console and the newly added AFMF2 or Nvidia's 40 series DLSS offerings all will beat it. I am not sure why anyone would have a fantasy that AMD would have a GPU that out performs a 4090 and would sell it at a loss to Sony instead of slapping AI on it and making way more per unit off of it elsewhere.
It's not always about performance in price, the PlayStation 5 pro has a list of games that PC will not get for up to 2 years after release. Most console gamers are in it for the games not for raw performance. According to PlayStation there's still 11 to 18% of its players still on the PlayStation 4. There shouldn't be any comparison between the PlayStation 5 Pro and a PC, they are on two different levels.
PS 5 Pro was marketed with performance as its main theme. For 9 Minutes straight Mark Cerny told you how it performed better. It is about performance. And honestly, those games they're making people wait for are not a big deal anymore. With the PSN requirement, PlayStation has pretty much killed any goodwill it garnered from the PC gamer.
Realistically ps5 pro is gpu is similar to something between 4060 and 4060ti. a lot of people somehow just think that ps5 pro runs all games at native 4k, which it definitely doesnt. Many games are rendered at 864p - 1200p, even the quality mode often means something between 1200 - 2160p at 30fps. And something we might wanna keep in mind that nvidia has already halted production on 4000 series gpus since the 5000 series is so close to release.
No PC person pairs a $240 motherboard with a paltry $145 CPU. Then cheap out on a Cenk $40 power supply. You need more CPU and higher clocks than you might think for steady, high frame count. Also, Don't cheap out on the power supply. Power supplies and once RAM are the main hardware failures I've ever had.
lets compare amd to Nvidia, so the fastest amd card the 7900xtx generally lands within 1% sometimes faster, sometimes slower than an rtx 4080. thats an 80 cu max boost 3000mhz amd card. you have to be delusional to think a ps5 Pro with 60 cu's getting no where near the 3000mhz mark is going anywhere near a 4080 yet alone the 4090. I'd argue the 4070 is going to blow away the ps5 in raw performance too considering I'd be surprised if its boost clock gets much beyond 2300mhz. Note this is before upscaling on both devices. Based on amds current line up the ps5 pros prob going to land around the performance of a 7700xt which is usually around 7% slower than even a 4070. 4090 my ass.
I think in best case scenarios PS5 pro will be able to perform somewhere equivalent to 3080ti and in worst case scenarios somewhere around 4060 on an avg it will be equivalent to a slightly underclocked 4070.
I play on my TV with my PC. Console players are getting an education in computer literacy. Its not tirggering, its reality. The more intense scrutiny is from the talking heads on twitter who wouldn't shut up and listen. They think they are already experts because they bought a gaming PC and will not let anyone who knows about the tech actually speak on the subject without ad hominems like "Insecure" etc.
@@carbonm2120 Hz is not superior. How can you brag about 120 Hz refresh rate when PCs can do up to 400hz? And the PS5’s CPU is nowhere as good. Consoles will always take a back seat😂. Wait for the 50 series to come out
@@carbonm2 120 Hz is not superior. How can you brag about 120 Hz refresh rate when PCs can do up to 400hz? And the PS5’s CPU is nowhere as good. Consoles will always take a back seat😂. Wait for the 50 series to come out
Im one that trusted the 4070 talk. Im now sitting back, waiting for more information before saying anything more. Im a PC gamer, so the Pro has no appeal to me as is
It’s equivalent to a RTX 4060ti or RX 4070. Do the math the PS5 GPU is equivalent to a RX 6700 so up to %45 faster would put it at %30 slower than a 4070 on average.
@ZackSNetwork math kept coming up close to a 4070, but the issue lost here is the phrasing "up to". I think perhaps a lot of us hadn't put enough emphasis on the phrase.
@@ZackSNetworkI had a 4070 build matched with a 12700k and that piece of junk pro does not match the performance at all. 800p native on Alan wake 2??? I have a 4080 now, but when I did have a 4070 I was getting around 70-80 fps at 1080p high (native) on Alan Wake 2.
The GPU in ps5 pro is a 16gb gddr6 built by amd.. you can start there. As for upscaling with ai. Dlss is now dlss3. Years of ai upscaling. And from the simple tests alone I've been watching the pssr ai is about the same as dlss3 and it barely came.out. so ai upscaling can compete with dlss3. As for cpu.. we don't know yet. But base cpu in ps5 is 3.85 built by amd. The tpu I'm not sure either. So far ps5 pro looks like it can compete with 1500 price range due to it being a streamlined console strictly for gaming. I'm getting it.. it's cheaper than buying 2 computers.. I been running games and recording and streaming on my gaming pc and I need either a new computer or ps5 since most games.alreqdy went well with ps5 and recorded on computer this is so far a better looking alternative than another pc. My 2 other pc is for music storage and the other is cheap for bills and general.email purposes. I have 3 computers and I use my gaming computer the most.
lol, you forget a major thing, the games are are highly tuned for systems. PC get it’s performance by raw strength of compute performance. They can’t give you every sliders, dial and micro adjustments they do to console versions of the game. Your pc doesn’t need that 4090 to do what it’s doing. The fact you can’t tune every aspect of it is why you need a 4090 to do it.
I keep saying exactly this.. people just don't get it, too ignorant or just stupid. On consoles they can program and map to every little spec or hardware on the chips and silicone. Also, the os on a console is going to consume less resources than a PC. It's not a comparison. You can have better graphics and higher settings with lesser specs. As well, even the pro they increased RAM available to games so it will run even less handicapped then the base.
I use the 4090 for production and game development. You don't need it to smoke the console. Anything else can do the job accurately. Also, your console is a PC. They've done all he settings for you and the version your game is running is not different from the PC version. That's why DF does console performance settings after finding it out. Also, the settings are there to accommodate your hardware capability.
@@VGFightSchool lol, just because it’s a locked down pc doesn’t make it a pc. You Android phone is basically a Linux computer, doesn’t make it a pc. Consoles are fixed hardware specs. They(the devs) don’t have to account for a trillion different hardware and software combinations. PC versions of the game don’t have the tuning that consoles have. You have your head so far up your butt you got lost up in there. Console’s performance will always be higher than the specs expected from similar spec pc hardware.
@@VenomusDragon-gx8xt A laptop is a locked down PC and is still a PC. Bro, you can't escape this box I've put you in. Lol Just leave it alone. They (devs) have been accounting for different hardware specs for DECADES now. They aren't complaining to you. Actually they are showing off their technical capabilities by doing PC specific trailers. EVEN PLAYSTATION does PC spec trailers for their ports. 😅 No need for insults, if you have a strong argument, it'll win. If not, beef it up. Thanks for the feedback!
@@VGFightSchool lol, a laptop is not locked down lol. You can install one of the hundreds of operating systems on it, or more than one if you want. It’s also not fixed. The software can(and has been) modded, even in the most restrictive laptops, and that’s the bios. The gpu and cpu is fixed for YOUR specific ver of laptop. One Alienware m18 is not the necessarily the same as the next. It is idiotic to try and say a laptop is even remotely locked down. I’ve seen phones with more restrictions than a laptop. Devs don’t have the time nor the capacity to optimize pc games to the extent you seem to think they do. They make these gorgeous cgi videos running on a specific path in engine optimized for THAT pc. The game you are playing is not the same game in the trailer. It doesn’t have the shear amount of settings nor optimization that the demo trailer had available. You seem to think devs don’t try to convince you into thinking it’s some fantastic game with gameplay that is completely scripted to get you excited. Consoles are fixed. My ps5 is the same as everyone else’s, my series x is the same as everyone else’s. My desktop is custom built. Mine is not the same as yours, and unless you were building on the same budget I was, most likely only has windows in common. Get over the I have a 4090 and it’s better because it does x thing. Consoles, true fixed systems, have been punching higher than their specs suggest thanks to the devs only having to set the (insert any console) ver to one single set of settings that is more customized than your pc has settings for the entire pc per game.
The issue with the PS5 and all consoles is that you’re stuck with the same hardware for eight years. In contrast, PCs get four generations during that time. By the time the PS5 is ready for the next generation, PCs have already moved up 4 generations of graphics cards. It’s hilarious that people think that a console will ever catch up or be equivalent. In fact console gets its technology from what PC graphic manufacturers are doing. PC is leading the way to what goes in that box.😂
My only argument when building a pc vs a console is setting yourself up with a decent upgrade path and that does start with the motherboard so anyone looking to build a console killer should consider a newer gen or else you end up rebuying parts to upgrade like grab a am4 board hoping to compete with the future Xbox and ps knowing they’ll be using the newer tech giving by the chipset so that why that 250 motherboard pops up on the am5 platform
Upgrade path is arbitrary. Buy what you can afford. When time to upgrade comes, your wallet will tell you. I got 3 PCs I use at home. plus another 2 for my oldest kids and working on building for the next kid in line. From experience, all that talk about upgrading is overrated. Developers will still make games for the majority of PC gamers on STEAM who are still using a 1060/ryzen 5 3600 etc, so you should be fine with AM4 through the PS6...lol
@@VGFightSchool On AM4 platform if doing production work you can get either a 5900x or 5950x and for gaming 5700x3d or the 5800x3d and all are much faster than the 3600 in the PS5 and the 3600x in the PS5pro. Some say 3700/x still both slower by a good margin than the mentioned 5000 series CPU"S. You can put a RTX 5090 on AM4 it would be bottle-necked at 1080p the most and 1440p by good bit but will run all games well above 60fps and will have slight bottleneck in 4k depending on the game. Most games are GPU limited not CPU.
Exactly! I did a 5950 upgrade and refunded a 7950 pre-build (4090's were unavailable) seeing as I did not "feel" 😂the difference. Granted, benchmarks show otherwise, but the cost to upgrade was just not worth it imo.
@@VGFightSchool nah again people on the previous am3 socket are running into slower ssd issues in these newer games and my point is you don’t wanna be in that position if your just buying a pc and new tech Comes out and because you built on a outdated platform you gotta rebuy the ish you just bought lol am5 currently offers faster pcie,ddr5, faster read speeds ( gaming Advantage), lower latency, and faster WiFi support( gaming advantage) but to be honest everyone is good until it’s leverage but being left behind sucks if you JUST BUILT your pc is my point!
I JUST went to a gaming PC from being a Playstation supporter for over 20 years. I changed over due to the release of Blackmyth Wukong on the PS5. The difference between the PS5 and my computer with a 4070 super is night and day. It's not 45% better..... it's 200% different... so the 45% more power from the PS5 pro doesn't mean much to me. Also the upscaling/FG tech in the 4070 actually pushes it to about a 400% increase in performance in my eyes. Once again I AM a PS fanboy and have only been about Playstation for over 20 years. I still love the PS. I still agree that there 1st party titles are unbeatable and when you you really think about it, that's all that matters.... The Games. Who cares on what type system you play them on. I just personally prefer the best graphics..... But at the end of the day what you experience is all that you know.... so if you have never experienced PC gaming then .. really not missing anything.. bc you don't know.. lol. Just be happy with what you have and appreciate the wins that that product brings...
i dont even know, why people still fall for this shit? I mean cmon. Its every time the same. Granted, ive payed attention to this since the ps4 release, so i dont know how it was like before that...but every time sony or ms release a console (be it the base model or the pro version), every time the fanatics compare the new console to a $2000-$3000-PC. Claiming this is what it equals to. And every damn time, people, who have remotely knowledge about PC-building and components, can recreate the power of the new console months before its release. Every damn time the extreme fans of console make the arugemnt until the last possible second, that this is wrong and that it may be on paper equal, but due to consolemagic and some other buzzwords, the cosnole with $500 worth of components can overtake a $3k PC....And EVERY TIME...they were wrong. I mean cmon am I the only one, who remembers, that before the release of the PS5, every idiot claimed, that the PS5, can run 8k at 60 or 4k at 120 fps for most games...and 4k 60fps for ALL games?
They made so dumb argument... if they count AI upscaling as a 4090 equivalent, then people with 4060 using FSR to upscale to 4k can also say that they're gaming at 4090 experience. And Sony did a good job with their buzzwords to fool their fanboys, like AI upscaling, advanced Ray-tracing, whatever they're talking about, these were all available since PS4 and GPU on PCs have been doing for years.
Lol the 4090 uses dlss which is upscaling. Specifically dlss3 which is gen 3 . Dlss has had years of improvement. The pssr just started and runs just as good or better than dlss3.. the ai of dlss drives your upscaling so you can run higher frames with graphics. The pssr is brand new and the ai will learn.
@@denhawken We don't even know the technical details of the PS5 Pro hardware. It's too soon to say that. Unless you just believe everything Sony said. nVidia cards have dedicated cores for Ray-tracing and DLSS, so it doesn't take away the processing power of the main cores. We still don't know if the PS5 Pro has something like that (I doubt they do, PSSR is more like FSR that takes away the main resources).
@Romangelo and uea i know the different brands go by different scaling and how they line and affect the cpu The cpu is the main processor and the GPU runs in parallel to cpu. So more power to GPU and more go runs the cpu more efficiently.
If they said a RTX 3070 ti/4060 ti 8gb than yea that'll stull be glazing but not that bad but saying a 4070?!!! Holy moly....what do they smoke everyday to say that
If you look at the PS5 Pro GPU specs it’s weaker than a RNDA3 RX 7700xt. It has a significantly lower clock speed and shared memory that will limit its performance. An Nvidia equivalent would be an RX 4060ti. You can’t compare Teraflops to completely different architecture being Nvidia Lovelace and AMD RNDA3. The GPU in the PS5 Pro is marketed as “up to %45 more powerful than the PS5 GPU which is equivalent to a RX 6700. So a GPU like the 4070 should be on average %30 more powerful than the GPU the PS5 Pro has. The CPU as said by Digital Foundry is equivalent to a Ryzen 5 3600. As two of the CPU cores are dedicated to OS and 6 cores are left for gaming.
Its more like a 3070 to be honest, but can probably slightly out perform it since games are more optimized for console. No wear near a 4090. I dont see the PS6 being as fast as a 4090. Probably nore like a 4080 Super with further optimization. Especially if Sony goes with another AMD GPU.
I blame youtubers like Reforge gaming, King Trash. They completely brainwash their audience that PC "incels" are scared of the power of the PS5 Pro 4090. Go to their comments in their videos they also believe that gtx 1060 is $700 right now.
Steam deck is soo good man. But honestly, it's only good as a handheld 'on the go' device for people who already have a main gaming device with actual power.
amd gpu's do support machine learning they just haven't added it yet to fsr which I think they will with fsr 4 which all rdna 3 and the new rdna 4 should all support it. also your right that they should be comparing the ps5 pro to amd cards like the 7700 xt or 7800 xt since they are the closest amd gpu to the ps5 pro but it won't be clocked as high and be heavily power limited. also the ray tracing improvement is impossible to measure that uplift since the base ps5 couldn't run any heavy rt in cyberpunk at all and even the ps5 pro will not be able to run cyberpunk over drive with full path tracing. I think the ps5 pro should be able to get to the levels of a 3070 ti at rt at best since two times better rt than a ps5 is still not good either.
@@VenomusDragon-gx8xt Knowledge of the difference in architecture! AMD uses Texture Units to calculate Ray bounces! Nvidia GPUs have dedicated separate cores used to calculate Ray bounces leaving their Texture Units free to be used for texture mapping! There is only one Texture unit per compute units in both companies GPUs. The Ps5 pro has 60 compute units meaning there are 60 texture units total. The RTX 4070 has 47 dedicated Ray tracing cores. So for the PS5 pro to match the RTX 4070 in Ray tracing cores it would only be left with 13 texture units (same TU count as Xbox one) to use for texture mapping and filtering! The only new features for Ray tracing in RDNA 3.5 is support for 6 new RT instructions. As far as PSSR goes it is an inferior AI upscaler to DLLS!
@@reykennedy5716 Hahaha! It isnt straw grasping! It's readily available knowledge released by both AMD and Nvidia on how their GPU architectures work! AMD use Texture Units to calculate Ray bounces while NVidia have dedicated RT cores to calculate Ray bounces. Nvidia is around 2 generations in RT performance over AMD at this point.
@@shredenvain7 if Ray tracing were truly dedicated, it wouldn't result in a massive frame rate drop in games. You seem to try to compare two companies that use vastly different architecture. It's not a comparison. RDNA 4 isn't out yet.
Ps5 only has 1 channel to add 1 hd.....the cheapest mobo can add atleast 6 hd plus...smdh Richard L from DF is gonna owe ponies an apology for giving them a false sense of hope 😂 good vid...ps5 pro maybe equivalent to a rtx 3070..3060..maybe.
Console peasants say this shit all the time, when ps4 was announced, they said itll be as powerful as a 980ti, when the ps4 pro came out, they said it would be as powerful as a 1080ti, when the ps5 was announced, they said it would be as powerful as a 2080ti😂😂😂, and now? They're still at it
All the pro patches are just running the Ps5 performance mode settings using Psr to upscale to 4k. The extre compute and RT hardware arent even being used
Wrong. Denying the truth. Red gaming tech and digital foundry claimed already. You can't buy used parts to compare. Brand new parts and cpu and graphics motherboard and so on. You can buy used parts. Pc also has no good games if weren't for xbox Playstation. Your comparison been debunked by other tech
That being said PS5 is the better choice. Lol😂 No seriously, the PS5 Pro doesn't need to be as powerful as a high end pc necause most people are 6;ft away from the screen. Too far away to even notice all those details extra performance would provide. Still I prefer PS5(Pro) because I want to play Sony games from day 1. On pc you have to wait 2 years. My brother has a high-and pc and on most games I don't see much of a difference anyway...
PCs were better than a PS5 pro like 5 years ago, how is this even a conversation?
He doesn’t know what he is talking about and just wants to make a TH-cam channel. PS5 Pro GPU is equivalent to a RX 7700 or RTX 4060ti 16gb.
5 years ago was the 20 series so what you yapping about
@melxvee6850 the simple mind of a console fan in action right here. You realize there's more components to PC gaming than a GPU correct?
@@leetskeet4476 same thing about a console, it's not just a GPU, you literally know nothing about consoles and speaking about PC like it's the same technology wise when it's not
@melxvee6850 A console is literally a gimped version of a PC with a proprietary OS catered to 13 year olds who can't comprehend the basics of a PC. Both have nearly identical components, you just choose to pay a 30% markup on your components and be restricted by the games you can play. There's a reason console exclusives are going away and console sales overall are dwindling every year- they're garbage.
Ps5 pro is a decent upgrade for people looking to drop the ps5 off at GameStop lol but just buying raw when you already have one I wouldn’t recommend that
Its nowhere near a 4070 thats delusional talk.
It isn't far off its past a 4060 ti
@@Gamer-vs3xlNope it’s equivalent to a 4060ti 16gb or RX 7700.
@@ZackSNetwork the RX 7700 doesn't exist, and the RX 7700xt is quite past the 4060 ti.
Its equal to 6800 in terms of raster if it isnt then piece of trash
It’s not cry about it 😂
i dont get people add the price of a monitor to a pc but dont add the price of a tv to a console
Especially when those clowns spend $2000-3000 on 60-80 inch TVs with 20+ ms of input lag
@@przemeksz8203 because majority of people already have a 4K TV lol
@@przemeksz8203 because majority of people already have a 4K TV lol
That’s actually so true because you have to play it on something to build and a tv that can show you what the TV has to offer will cost you a $1,000+ and then you’ve got things like subscriptions to think about
Ps 5 pro extra power to run remakes.
Ghost of Yotei and Wolverine aren't remakes
@iaqh ok a game that looks the same as the first and a game that leaked, and mosers are making it better. And will not be out for 3 to 4 years
@@MrEvev1872000 Wolverine is coming out in 2026
@iaqh just like Wonder women announce how many years ago.
They used a am5 motherboard and when building a ps5 pro build you should stay below x470 you can get one for 100 bucks , for the cpu a 5600x is preferred and cheap , then for the gpu based on the spec I think 7900 gets close to the specs of the pro but again that upscaling is missing, 2TB of storage, 16gb of ram 16gb of ram clocked at 3600 than build is almost 1000 dollars tho if you add in the missing stuff
watch TheTerks video on the pro. He dismantles any argument anyone would make about the 4070 being equivalent . With builds and performance comparisons with best known tech. they’re not equivalent.
@@Kneefill yeh the PS5 pro is pretty bad in Perfomance. It can’t even beat a 4 year old GPU
The ps5 is just a flagship APU
Dude really said Ps5 outperforms Series X when we just got Space Marines 2 on Xbox Series X smacking the PS5 lmao 😂
99.99% of the games are running better on ps5, Xbox runs the crapware known as windows for a os.
@@VenomusDragon-gx8xtbut the Xbox is more powerful
@@sladewilson377 power is irrelevant when the os(windows for Xbox and Linux for ps) stands in the way. Linux running on hardware that it is developed for runs better than windows does on the same hardware.
@@VenomusDragon-gx8xt we are talking about raw power not software systems. At the end of the day, the PS5 even the pro version will struggle to meet the raw power of a budget gaming laptop. A 4070 could murder a PS5, a 4070 ti super would vaporise it 😂
The PS5 pro has the same CPU as the PS5. My gaming laptop is an 13th Gen Intel® Core™ i7-13650HX (24 MB cache, 14 cores, 20 threads, up to 4.90 GHz Turbo)
Not even a PS5 pro has a CPU that fast 😂😂
@@VenomusDragon-gx8xt we are talking about raw power not software systems. At the end of the day, the PS5 even the pro version will struggle to meet the raw power of a budget gaming laptop. A 4070 could murder a PS5, a 4070 ti super would vaporise it 😂
The PS5 pro has the same CPU as the PS5. My gaming laptop is an 13th Gen Intel® Core™ i7-13650HX (24 MB cache, 14 cores, 20 threads, up to 4.90 GHz Turbo)
Not even a PS5 pro has a CPU that fast 😂😂
Ponies are the biggest suckers on this planet to be so deluded as to compare a garbage underpowered console to a Titan class card like the 4090. 😂
💯💯
PC master baiters are the ones who jerk off to their pc build.
@@VenomusDragon-gx8xtHey pleasure is pleasure my guy
" Garbage" based on your comment I can see why your lonely with no friends because that GPU is more than 3x the price of the PS5 for the GPU alone (not even the whole pc) so I would sure hope it's way better once your done building the whole pc for 4000$ compared to 500-700 yet your the type of person who complained about the apple vision pro being to expensive
the only thing "garbage" is you cause clearly if your this butthurt about a console you don't deserve to be on the internet
especially when your talking about a freaking 4090 like its any ware near as cheap as a console when it's only a GPU so you put consoles down
like don't get us talking about your spending choices when I doubt you even have one and are broke lol, real gamers don't put others down to raise themselves up 😂
@@-darkangelic- you clowns get offended at anything consoles do
The same like android users who cry over anything apple does
Does that CPU you picked come with a cooler or did you just omit that price?
Does that CPU you picked come with a cooler or are you just gonna let her cook?
why are you comparing ps5 pro to 4070 lol its literally like 4060 or worse
3060ti
There is no way in the world you’re going to build a PC for $700 that you can use that will outperform the PS five Pro. I mean out of the box 1st of all games are optimized for the PS five where is they are not optimized for PC. You need to optimize your PC to play them, that’s convenience. Factor money to some alone.
Your parts are not going to work the PS five uses DDR six not DDR four. You only got one terabyte on your drive. You’re sitting at $688 with no operating system no keyboard no mouse remember the PS five has a controller and is ready to go, throw in 90 bucks for a PS five controller or 100+ for keyboard and mouse no scalping for the operating system either so you’re looking at another hundred dollars otherwise you just have a PC sitting on the shelf that you can look at. We could go with the PS five also comes with Astro included, but if you don’t play that, it really would be insignificant anyways of course you could get two free games if you buy the right AMD card but that will definitely put you over Mark
Have you built a PC in the last 6 months? You should see the prices. They're literally giving the things away.
@@VGFightSchool why would I build a PC in the last six months nothing new has came out since the last one I’m waiting till the 5090s come out. But I am a realist and I can see the convenience of owning a console. I also know that tuning your PC to play games is a lot of work the companies that make games make them for the console to perform well with them. And if you build a PC and don’t get a operating system and a keyboard and mouse, you just have something sitting on the shelf.. and just those two things will cost you $200 and I’m talking minimum because most of my peripherals cost almost $200 by themselves. Certainly, you can spend the same amount of money on just the interior components and perform a PS five pro but you’re going to have to do a lot of settings. The guy that bought the PS5 pro connected to his TV plugs in and is up and gaming in a few minutes. And after the initial install probably inside a minute you can hit a button on your controller. Your TV turns on and everything and you’re in a game.
@@3Gunzdeep My mouse cost $7 I use it on my 4080 build. What practicality are you referring to that's making you spend $200 on a mouse and KB.
My keyboard cost about $27 on this same build. Bought it on Amazon open box about 5 years ago.
You mentioned nothing new has come out as if PC gamers only build when "its new".
It can even capture my console footage as well when I'm playing old Xbox one games.
See, I've been making these videos for months now. These reasons you're giving are just excuses. Most of my audience members can rebuild a car engine, wire up a house with electrical units. They work in construction, oil field, auto engineering and many other jobs that require hands on application.
Unless they don't wanna deal with a PC, then sure. But their capabilities can have them gaming in seconds as well.
They can figure out a build.
I'm a realist as well. I can see that console makers need gamers to be in fantasy land of convenience while skimping them for every dime in their pocket with subscriptions and more expensive games.
@@VGFightSchool look I’ve been gaming on PC since the very beginning of PC gaming even before the 386 came out.
I am saying that it would be impossible to build a comparable PC for $700. By the way, my mouse cost $150 logitech G Pro wireless I believe my Logitech keyboard was around 100 bucks but I can’t remember. What I’m talking about is someone that has no PC or no consul in their possession they are not going to be able to buy all the parts and assemble it. Put windows on it for less than $700.. We all know that the games are optimized for the console that they are being sold for. They can’t do that with PC because there are too many options. Also I would say for a comparison you have to use a brand new windows edition which is around $90. I believe I know you can get them online for $20 with a code but comparison you have to use new stuff oem.
Also on your build you only had a one terabyte drive the PS5 pro comes with 2 TB. We also don’t know the read and write speed of the drives on the console.
Technically to compare, you would need to include a dual sense controller also because that comes with the console. They cost about $90 new here in the United States.
I just don’t think they are ripping people off as much as they think. What a rip off was when I upgraded from the 1080ti to the 2080 ti for a whopping five frames per second for $1200. I couldn’t even land a 3090 ti so I had to spend $5000 on a prebuilt PC just to get one because I will not give scalpers money. And the performance increase over the other PC was not that great for that much money. No spending $1800 on the 4090 seem to be a pretty good upgrade as far as the performance gained however I have spent a lot of money going back to the beginning. I’m probably over $25,000 worth of PC parts.
I'm glad someone said it
That CPU is 10% better than the PS5 under CPU bound scenarios, and there is no shot the PS5 Pro is like a 4070. Not only it's 60% better than the base PS5 on avarage, when the Pro is UP TO 45% faster, but also, it's 50% faster than a 3080 when you turn on ray tracing, considering that GPU is faster and already has way better RT performance than the base PS5. The 4070 also includes AI Frame Generation. THE AI Frame Generation, and PSSR isn't like DLSS. It's better than FSR, but so is XeSS, something you can use on AMD GPUs on PC.
It's like... you have the 6800 or the 7700 XT that are close to what the Pro should offer, and can do a lot more because it's PC so if you want to use FSR 3 mods and mix it with XeSS to get stupid high framerates, and you can get better RT performance than what you see on the Pro presentation, but because on paper the ray tracing performance is worse (again, on paper), PlayStation fanboys instantly go "okay, let's use this other alternative that is much better at everything and can do things that are generations ahead of consoles"... Like... WHAT!?
It doest touch a 4070 thats absolutely delusional talk it not close,
@@dockgamer973 That's a great way to sum it up.
I think a more accurate estimate for the pro is an rtx 3070 ti given if it's feature set and estimates in RT performance while roughly matching the rx 7700 xt in raster performance, although it has less vram. We won't really have a more accurate estimate until RDNA4 releases. Also xess shouldn't be brought up since it has a higher performance cost and worse quality on AMD hardware relative to intel gpus since it has to run through the DP4a pathway. We'll just have to wait for FSR4 to get a better idea regarding image quality. Lastly frame generation shouldn't be brought up when discussing performance since it's just an increase in fluidity with the cost of increased latency
@@MrLuna109 With that GPU (7700 XT) we are talking about a 1 fps or 4 fps difference, if there is one in the first place (depends on the game). Why wouldn't you bring XeSS up? And the problem with talking about a 3070Ti is that, unless it's used, it's really overpriced, so it's pointless when we are talking about matching PS5 Pro for more or less the same price. At that point you should actually go for a 4070. The closest you can get is with something like the 7700 XT, and no one gave us confirmation on that GPU not performing better than the Pro yet. The biggest "pro" the Pro has, ON PAPER, is rt performance. Weird flex when your CPU is that weak, which is why we saw Hogwarts Legacy running at 30 fps.
Frame Generation counts because it gives you a higher framerate. It SHOULD be part of the conversation when it does a really good job at giving you extra frames with an insane quality, and when one of the biggest issues with consoles is input latency. There is no con when we talk about DLSS 3 on PC vs. raster performance on consoles. To use an example, you would be adding 15 ms to get to 120 fps on top of the 46 ms you have in a game with a 60Hz output thanks to Nvidia Reflex, using a PS5 controller, when that same game would have 112 ms on PS5 anyways. If consoles already have a huge latency issue, then you don't have a latency disadvantage when you turn on DLSS 3 FG.
What you said about fluidity is like saying that more raster performance just means I had an increase in fluidity and slightly better input latency (once your framerate is high enough the difference is really low). We are talking about AI Frame Generation. It's way better than your classic interpolation. It actually gives you more frames using game data like motion vectors. It makes frametimes smoother. They are not "fake frames", like some people call them, because they are frames. They exist. If you want to call something "fake", then everything in a game is fake, which is why we have terms like "impostors".
They are AI generated frames, which just means they don't come from rasterization, and they can have some pros, like being able to give you a higher framerate on objects that are being shown at a lower framerate than the rest of the game, which is pretty normal to see on videogames. Not everything related to performance is just latency, and if it was, then that logic would be easy to break, because if the combination between DLSS 3 FG and Nvidia Reflex is giving me a much lower input latency and a higher framerate than what I had with those things turned off, it would just mean my performance is much higher. The only time I would see DLSS 3 FG as a bad thing is if was trying to get a higher framerate on a competitive game where my framerate is already way higher than my refresh rate, to the point my frametime is smooth enough, because it would literally do nothing for my performance. It would just add latency.
@@joseijosei Frame gen isn't actual frame rate so it's not relevant regarding performance and the 7700 XT doesn't take into account increased RT performance. The 4070 shouldn't be in the conversation, I brought up the rtx 3070 TI since it's a more accurate estimate in performance, it had nothing to do with price. I already said why xess shouldn't be brought up
PS5 Pro cannot match any of the mid or top range AMD 6000 or 7000 GPUs based on the fact that frame generation is a must on the console and the newly added AFMF2 or Nvidia's 40 series DLSS offerings all will beat it. I am not sure why anyone would have a fantasy that AMD would have a GPU that out performs a 4090 and would sell it at a loss to Sony instead of slapping AI on it and making way more per unit off of it elsewhere.
ps5 pro is not even near a 3080
How would YOU know? Fake PC gamer is coping hard
@@carbonm2 Well because digital foundry literally have said on Nvidia side of things it's most comparable to an EX 6800 🤣
If Im in the market for a PC because I want more performance im not doing the bare minimum to match the price of the PS5 Pro.
It's not always about performance in price, the PlayStation 5 pro has a list of games that PC will not get for up to 2 years after release. Most console gamers are in it for the games not for raw performance. According to PlayStation there's still 11 to 18% of its players still on the PlayStation 4. There shouldn't be any comparison between the PlayStation 5 Pro and a PC, they are on two different levels.
PS 5 Pro was marketed with performance as its main theme. For 9 Minutes straight Mark Cerny told you how it performed better.
It is about performance. And honestly, those games they're making people wait for are not a big deal anymore. With the PSN requirement, PlayStation has pretty much killed any goodwill it garnered from the PC gamer.
Realistically ps5 pro is gpu is similar to something between 4060 and 4060ti.
a lot of people somehow just think that ps5 pro runs all games at native 4k, which it definitely doesnt. Many games are rendered at 864p - 1200p, even the quality mode often means something between 1200 - 2160p at 30fps.
And something we might wanna keep in mind that nvidia has already halted production on 4000 series gpus since the 5000 series is so close to release.
No PC person pairs a $240 motherboard with a paltry $145 CPU. Then cheap out on a Cenk $40 power supply.
You need more CPU and higher clocks than you might think for steady, high frame count. Also, Don't cheap out on the power supply. Power supplies and once RAM are the main hardware failures I've ever had.
lets compare amd to Nvidia, so the fastest amd card the 7900xtx generally lands within 1% sometimes faster, sometimes slower than an rtx 4080. thats an 80 cu max boost 3000mhz amd card. you have to be delusional to think a ps5 Pro with 60 cu's getting no where near the 3000mhz mark is going anywhere near a 4080 yet alone the 4090. I'd argue the 4070 is going to blow away the ps5 in raw performance too considering I'd be surprised if its boost clock gets much beyond 2300mhz. Note this is before upscaling on both devices.
Based on amds current line up the ps5 pros prob going to land around the performance of a 7700xt which is usually around 7% slower than even a 4070. 4090 my ass.
I think in best case scenarios PS5 pro will be able to perform somewhere equivalent to 3080ti and in worst case scenarios somewhere around 4060 on an avg it will be equivalent to a slightly underclocked 4070.
Why are PC people so triggered by the PS5 pro. It will always be inferior to PC. It's gonna have its audience like people who like playing on TV.
I play on my TV with my PC. Console players are getting an education in computer literacy. Its not tirggering, its reality.
The more intense scrutiny is from the talking heads on twitter who wouldn't shut up and listen. They think they are already experts because they bought a gaming PC and will not let anyone who knows about the tech actually speak on the subject without ad hominems like "Insecure" etc.
Because it's superior to THEIR PC
@@carbonm2120 Hz is not superior. How can you brag about 120 Hz refresh rate when PCs can do up to 400hz? And the PS5’s CPU is nowhere as good. Consoles will always take a back seat😂. Wait for the 50 series to come out
@@carbonm2 120 Hz is not superior. How can you brag about 120 Hz refresh rate when PCs can do up to 400hz? And the PS5’s CPU is nowhere as good. Consoles will always take a back seat😂. Wait for the 50 series to come out
@@carbonm2 PS5 pro is barely on par with a 4060😂
Im one that trusted the 4070 talk. Im now sitting back, waiting for more information before saying anything more.
Im a PC gamer, so the Pro has no appeal to me as is
It’s equivalent to a RTX 4060ti or RX 4070. Do the math the PS5 GPU is equivalent to a RX 6700 so up to %45 faster would put it at %30 slower than a 4070 on average.
@ZackSNetwork math kept coming up close to a 4070, but the issue lost here is the phrasing "up to". I think perhaps a lot of us hadn't put enough emphasis on the phrase.
@@ZackSNetworkI had a 4070 build matched with a 12700k and that piece of junk pro does not match the performance at all. 800p native on Alan wake 2??? I have a 4080 now, but when I did have a 4070 I was getting around 70-80 fps at 1080p high (native) on Alan Wake 2.
The specs we know on the GPU is 16gb gddr6.. built by amd start there to find an equivalent
The GPU in ps5 pro is a 16gb gddr6 built by amd.. you can start there.
As for upscaling with ai. Dlss is now dlss3. Years of ai upscaling. And from the simple tests alone I've been watching the pssr ai is about the same as dlss3 and it barely came.out. so ai upscaling can compete with dlss3.
As for cpu.. we don't know yet. But base cpu in ps5 is 3.85 built by amd.
The tpu I'm not sure either.
So far ps5 pro looks like it can compete with 1500 price range due to it being a streamlined console strictly for gaming.
I'm getting it.. it's cheaper than buying 2 computers.. I been running games and recording and streaming on my gaming pc and I need either a new computer or ps5 since most games.alreqdy went well with ps5 and recorded on computer this is so far a better looking alternative than another pc. My 2 other pc is for music storage and the other is cheap for bills and general.email purposes.
I have 3 computers and I use my gaming computer the most.
lol, you forget a major thing, the games are are highly tuned for systems. PC get it’s performance by raw strength of compute performance. They can’t give you every sliders, dial and micro adjustments they do to console versions of the game. Your pc doesn’t need that 4090 to do what it’s doing. The fact you can’t tune every aspect of it is why you need a 4090 to do it.
I keep saying exactly this.. people just don't get it, too ignorant or just stupid. On consoles they can program and map to every little spec or hardware on the chips and silicone. Also, the os on a console is going to consume less resources than a PC. It's not a comparison. You can have better graphics and higher settings with lesser specs. As well, even the pro they increased RAM available to games so it will run even less handicapped then the base.
I use the 4090 for production and game development. You don't need it to smoke the console. Anything else can do the job accurately.
Also, your console is a PC. They've done all he settings for you and the version your game is running is not different from the PC version. That's why DF does console performance settings after finding it out.
Also, the settings are there to accommodate your hardware capability.
@@VGFightSchool lol, just because it’s a locked down pc doesn’t make it a pc. You Android phone is basically a Linux computer, doesn’t make it a pc. Consoles are fixed hardware specs. They(the devs) don’t have to account for a trillion different hardware and software combinations. PC versions of the game don’t have the tuning that consoles have. You have your head so far up your butt you got lost up in there. Console’s performance will always be higher than the specs expected from similar spec pc hardware.
@@VenomusDragon-gx8xt A laptop is a locked down PC and is still a PC.
Bro, you can't escape this box I've put you in. Lol Just leave it alone.
They (devs) have been accounting for different hardware specs for DECADES now. They aren't complaining to you. Actually they are showing off their technical capabilities by doing PC specific trailers.
EVEN PLAYSTATION does PC spec trailers for their ports. 😅
No need for insults, if you have a strong argument, it'll win. If not, beef it up. Thanks for the feedback!
@@VGFightSchool lol, a laptop is not locked down lol. You can install one of the hundreds of operating systems on it, or more than one if you want. It’s also not fixed. The software can(and has been) modded, even in the most restrictive laptops, and that’s the bios. The gpu and cpu is fixed for YOUR specific ver of laptop. One Alienware m18 is not the necessarily the same as the next. It is idiotic to try and say a laptop is even remotely locked down. I’ve seen phones with more restrictions than a laptop. Devs don’t have the time nor the capacity to optimize pc games to the extent you seem to think they do. They make these gorgeous cgi videos running on a specific path in engine optimized for THAT pc. The game you are playing is not the same game in the trailer. It doesn’t have the shear amount of settings nor optimization that the demo trailer had available. You seem to think devs don’t try to convince you into thinking it’s some fantastic game with gameplay that is completely scripted to get you excited. Consoles are fixed. My ps5 is the same as everyone else’s, my series x is the same as everyone else’s. My desktop is custom built. Mine is not the same as yours, and unless you were building on the same budget I was, most likely only has windows in common. Get over the I have a 4090 and it’s better because it does x thing. Consoles, true fixed systems, have been punching higher than their specs suggest thanks to the devs only having to set the (insert any console) ver to one single set of settings that is more customized than your pc has settings for the entire pc per game.
The issue with the PS5 and all consoles is that you’re stuck with the same hardware for eight years. In contrast, PCs get four generations during that time. By the time the PS5 is ready for the next generation, PCs have already moved up 4 generations of graphics cards. It’s hilarious that people think that a console will ever catch up or be equivalent. In fact console gets its technology from what PC graphic manufacturers are doing. PC is leading the way to what goes in that box.😂
My only argument when building a pc vs a console is setting yourself up with a decent upgrade path and that does start with the motherboard so anyone looking to build a console killer should consider a newer gen or else you end up rebuying parts to upgrade like grab a am4 board hoping to compete with the future Xbox and ps knowing they’ll be using the newer tech giving by the chipset so that why that 250 motherboard pops up on the am5 platform
Upgrade path is arbitrary. Buy what you can afford. When time to upgrade comes, your wallet will tell you.
I got 3 PCs I use at home. plus another 2 for my oldest kids and working on building for the next kid in line. From experience, all that talk about upgrading is overrated.
Developers will still make games for the majority of PC gamers on STEAM who are still using a 1060/ryzen 5 3600 etc, so you should be fine with AM4 through the PS6...lol
@@VGFightSchool On AM4 platform if doing production work you can get either a 5900x or 5950x and for gaming 5700x3d or the 5800x3d and all are much faster than the 3600 in the PS5 and the 3600x in the PS5pro. Some say 3700/x still both slower by a good margin than the mentioned 5000 series CPU"S. You can put a RTX 5090 on AM4 it would be bottle-necked at 1080p the most and 1440p by good bit but will run all games well above 60fps and will have slight bottleneck in 4k depending on the game. Most games are GPU limited not CPU.
@@jmangames5562 who dafuq grabs a 5090 to play at 1080p lol that is wild business 🤣
Exactly! I did a 5950 upgrade and refunded a 7950 pre-build (4090's were unavailable) seeing as I did not "feel" 😂the difference. Granted, benchmarks show otherwise, but the cost to upgrade was just not worth it imo.
@@VGFightSchool nah again people on the previous am3 socket are running into slower ssd issues in these newer games and my point is you don’t wanna be in that position if your just buying a pc and new tech Comes out and because you built on a outdated platform you gotta rebuy the ish you just bought lol am5 currently offers faster pcie,ddr5, faster read speeds ( gaming Advantage), lower latency, and faster WiFi support( gaming advantage) but to be honest everyone is good until it’s leverage but being left behind sucks if you JUST BUILT your pc is my point!
I JUST went to a gaming PC from being a Playstation supporter for over 20 years. I changed over due to the release of Blackmyth Wukong on the PS5. The difference between the PS5 and my computer with a 4070 super is night and day. It's not 45% better..... it's 200% different... so the 45% more power from the PS5 pro doesn't mean much to me. Also the upscaling/FG tech in the 4070 actually pushes it to about a 400% increase in performance in my eyes. Once again I AM a PS fanboy and have only been about Playstation for over 20 years. I still love the PS. I still agree that there 1st party titles are unbeatable and when you you really think about it, that's all that matters.... The Games. Who cares on what type system you play them on. I just personally prefer the best graphics..... But at the end of the day what you experience is all that you know.... so if you have never experienced PC gaming then .. really not missing anything.. bc you don't know.. lol. Just be happy with what you have and appreciate the wins that that product brings...
i dont even know, why people still fall for this shit? I mean cmon. Its every time the same. Granted, ive payed attention to this since the ps4 release, so i dont know how it was like before that...but every time sony or ms release a console (be it the base model or the pro version), every time the fanatics compare the new console to a $2000-$3000-PC. Claiming this is what it equals to. And every damn time, people, who have remotely knowledge about PC-building and components, can recreate the power of the new console months before its release. Every damn time the extreme fans of console make the arugemnt until the last possible second, that this is wrong and that it may be on paper equal, but due to consolemagic and some other buzzwords, the cosnole with $500 worth of components can overtake a $3k PC....And EVERY TIME...they were wrong. I mean cmon am I the only one, who remembers, that before the release of the PS5, every idiot claimed, that the PS5, can run 8k at 60 or 4k at 120 fps for most games...and 4k 60fps for ALL games?
They made so dumb argument... if they count AI upscaling as a 4090 equivalent, then people with 4060 using FSR to upscale to 4k can also say that they're gaming at 4090 experience.
And Sony did a good job with their buzzwords to fool their fanboys, like AI upscaling, advanced Ray-tracing, whatever they're talking about, these were all available since PS4 and GPU on PCs have been doing for years.
Lol the 4090 uses dlss which is upscaling. Specifically dlss3 which is gen 3 . Dlss has had years of improvement. The pssr just started and runs just as good or better than dlss3.. the ai of dlss drives your upscaling so you can run higher frames with graphics. The pssr is brand new and the ai will learn.
I have a gaming pc.btw
The GPU is 16gb ddr6 btw
@@denhawken We don't even know the technical details of the PS5 Pro hardware. It's too soon to say that. Unless you just believe everything Sony said.
nVidia cards have dedicated cores for Ray-tracing and DLSS, so it doesn't take away the processing power of the main cores. We still don't know if the PS5 Pro has something like that (I doubt they do, PSSR is more like FSR that takes away the main resources).
@Romangelo and uea i know the different brands go by different scaling and how they line and affect the cpu
The cpu is the main processor and the GPU runs in parallel to cpu. So more power to GPU and more go runs the cpu more efficiently.
If they said a RTX 3070 ti/4060 ti 8gb than yea that'll stull be glazing but not that bad but saying a 4070?!!! Holy moly....what do they smoke everyday to say that
Optimisation?
If you look at the PS5 Pro GPU specs it’s weaker than a RNDA3 RX 7700xt. It has a significantly lower clock speed and shared memory that will limit its performance. An Nvidia equivalent would be an RX 4060ti. You can’t compare Teraflops to completely different architecture being Nvidia Lovelace and AMD RNDA3. The GPU in the PS5 Pro is marketed as “up to %45 more powerful than the PS5 GPU which is equivalent to a RX 6700. So a GPU like the 4070 should be on average %30 more powerful than the GPU the PS5 Pro has. The CPU as said by Digital Foundry is equivalent to a Ryzen 5 3600. As two of the CPU cores are dedicated to OS and 6 cores are left for gaming.
Its more like a 3070 to be honest, but can probably slightly out perform it since games are more optimized for console. No wear near a 4090. I dont see the PS6 being as fast as a 4090. Probably nore like a 4080 Super with further optimization. Especially if Sony goes with another AMD GPU.
I blame youtubers like Reforge gaming, King Trash. They completely brainwash their audience that PC "incels" are scared of the power of the PS5 Pro 4090. Go to their comments in their videos they also believe that gtx 1060 is $700 right now.
Thinking about getting a steam deck but i have friends telling me get a p5 which y'all think is the better choice
Steam deck is soo good man. But honestly, it's only good as a handheld 'on the go' device for people who already have a main gaming device with actual power.
ps5 anyday unless you want mobile gaming.
Im building my first pc. 4080 super. Man i cant wait....m or should i wait to see what happens with 5000 series?
I think the 4080 super would be a good choice and should last you quite a while.
When people who don't understand hardware because they don't know computers try to talk about hardware and computers
amd gpu's do support machine learning they just haven't added it yet to fsr which I think they will with fsr 4 which all rdna 3 and the new rdna 4 should all support it. also your right that they should be comparing the ps5 pro to amd cards like the 7700 xt or 7800 xt since they are the closest amd gpu to the ps5 pro but it won't be clocked as high and be heavily power limited. also the ray tracing improvement is impossible to measure that uplift since the base ps5 couldn't run any heavy rt in cyberpunk at all and even the ps5 pro will not be able to run cyberpunk over drive with full path tracing. I think the ps5 pro should be able to get to the levels of a 3070 ti at rt at best since two times better rt than a ps5 is still not good either.
Rdna 3.5 from the ps5 pro isnt on the level of the rtx 4070 for ray tracing or AI performance
And your proof of that without you having one is what? Compressed TH-cam videos?
@@VenomusDragon-gx8xt no, worse, just wild guesses and straw grasping
@@VenomusDragon-gx8xt Knowledge of the difference in architecture! AMD uses Texture Units to calculate Ray bounces! Nvidia GPUs have dedicated separate cores used to calculate Ray bounces leaving their Texture Units free to be used for texture mapping! There is only one Texture unit per compute units in both companies GPUs. The Ps5 pro has 60 compute units meaning there are 60 texture units total. The RTX 4070 has 47 dedicated Ray tracing cores. So for the PS5 pro to match the RTX 4070 in Ray tracing cores it would only be left with 13 texture units (same TU count as Xbox one) to use for texture mapping and filtering! The only new features for Ray tracing in RDNA 3.5 is support for 6 new RT instructions. As far as PSSR goes it is an inferior AI upscaler to DLLS!
@@reykennedy5716 Hahaha! It isnt straw grasping! It's readily available knowledge released by both AMD and Nvidia on how their GPU architectures work! AMD use Texture Units to calculate Ray bounces while NVidia have dedicated RT cores to calculate Ray bounces. Nvidia is around 2 generations in RT performance over AMD at this point.
@@shredenvain7 if Ray tracing were truly dedicated, it wouldn't result in a massive frame rate drop in games. You seem to try to compare two companies that use vastly different architecture. It's not a comparison. RDNA 4 isn't out yet.
We already know the GPU is 16g gddr6.. start with graphics card equivalent.
Ps5 only has 1 channel to add 1 hd.....the cheapest mobo can add atleast 6 hd plus...smdh Richard L from DF is gonna owe ponies an apology for giving them a false sense of hope 😂 good vid...ps5 pro maybe equivalent to a rtx 3070..3060..maybe.
Console peasants say this shit all the time, when ps4 was announced, they said itll be as powerful as a 980ti, when the ps4 pro came out, they said it would be as powerful as a 1080ti, when the ps5 was announced, they said it would be as powerful as a 2080ti😂😂😂, and now? They're still at it
The thing is, the ps5 pro still doesn’t deliver the performance sony advertised on the original ps5
They all comparing AMD architecture to Nvidia😂 they know very well AMD is adequate but not better than Nvidia
Yeah he is using Teraflops to compare two completely different architectures lmao.
The Ps5 pro is easily outselling the series x/s...the masses have spoken...your little propaganda campain has xfailed .
All the pro patches are just running the Ps5 performance mode settings using Psr to upscale to 4k. The extre compute and RT hardware arent even being used
Wrong. Denying the truth. Red gaming tech and digital foundry claimed already. You can't buy used parts to compare. Brand new parts and cpu and graphics motherboard and so on. You can buy used parts. Pc also has no good games if weren't for xbox Playstation. Your comparison been debunked by other tech
very nice build sir. i also build pcs but i think you should change the ryzen 5 5500 to the ryzen 5 5600 as it will bottleneck the rtx 4070.
I wouldn't do that to a 4070. I'm using a 6750xt in this case. Which is cutting it close, but it is optimal for the budget.
That being said PS5 is the better choice. Lol😂 No seriously, the PS5 Pro doesn't need to be as powerful as a high end pc necause most people are 6;ft away from the screen. Too far away to even notice all those details extra performance would provide. Still I prefer PS5(Pro) because I want to play Sony games from day 1. On pc you have to wait 2 years. My brother has a high-and pc and on most games I don't see much of a difference anyway...
The PS5 pro is not as powerful as a mid range gaming PC 😂and Sony gave away most of their exclusives. A 120 hz refresh rate is nothing to brag about😂
The PS5 pro is not as powerful as a mid range gaming PC 😂and Sony gave away most of their exclusives. A 120 hz refresh rate is nothing to brag about😂
Bro really found a good grift and the perfect batch of marks and is milking them for all they're worth.
unlimited content lmao