Rock’s Greatest 2nd Albums? (Featuring Ward Carroll)
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- In this episode, friends of the channel Ward Carroll, Jim Barber, and Fran Capitanelli stop in for a wide ranging discussion on the music business.
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Fly by Night comes immediately to mind as a great second album and a point of major change in the band's lineup.
My thoughts, too, first band that came to mind.... Rush.
The perfect second album. Changed where the band was headed.
A big Rutsey fan though, I loved his style. He could groove.
Nicely bridged their premier with what would come later
I so knew someone had already mentioned 'Fly By Night'! 😄👍
Queen II, Chicago II, Led Zeppelin II - some II's off the top of my head. All fantastic albums.
Queen 2 is a masterpiece. It's art.
Chicago II is actually the groups third album. It was Chicago Transit Authority, then Chicago
Chicago is the second album - Chicago III is the third album@@Almeida5
@@Almeida5 Nope. CTA was the first one. Chicago II was the second.
Dirt by Alice in Chains is an amazing 2nd album .. Especially after how great Facelift was ....
My immediate answer… Dirt is a masterpiece. And the only way to ever pay justice to those heavy lyrics is with an equally heavy sound. And those lyrics are f***ing lead…
Good call!!! I also like Purple from STP.
FACTS..
you call that music?
Hell Yeah!!! Them Bones Kicks Ass!, and Down in a Hole, Rooster! etc.
The Black Crowes "Southern Harmony" was their finest moment. I still listen to that record fairly often and it still gets played on 11
I love this album, it’s in my top ten list ❤
REMEDY!!!!
It's an entire-album listen.... front to back, just a great record.
Reggatta de Blanc was a great example of a better second album, The Police at their best as a band, in sync, not pressed for time to produce, the groove on that album is killer, and *I feel* that on the song Walking On the Moon we started to really hear what The Police sound was
Also a great example of a band that produced better albums than the last for their entire career.
Definitely a great example and one of the first albums I bought. I think I bought that and Boston - Dont Look Back (not a better second album but still good) at the same time as my first two albums. I think I was 12 when Regatta de Blanc was released.
Great example! 'Outlandos D'Amour' is my least favourite Police album. It still is in my Top5 of Police albums, though 😉
Oh, yeah. I agree!
For me, the best second record is Candy-O by The Cars. It was just its own unique sound and beat. It helped to support the new wave movement as well. I don't think it was better than their first album, but just different and a classic second album for sure.
Agree.
100%!!! I think Candy-O is better than the first album.
I Rocked out to Both of those L.P.'s by the Cars back when they first came out. They were the Best in that Genre of Music! They Kept New Wave Alive!!! They had the Hits!
LOL I was gonna say this as well. Never imagined someone else would have mentioned it already.
I just came on here to say the exact same thing. The musicianship, layering, and originality of the Cars is (was) incredible. Candy-O is a perfect example of that.
I think Hendrix's Axis: Bold as Love is one of the greatest second albums in rock history. It's one of a few times in which an artist's creativity was fully in bloom at their second record.
I think Radiohead is another great example for another reason. Their first album was only really known for their breakthrough single 'Creep,' and they could very easily have been thought of (and probably were thought of) as a one hit wonder, but their second album The Bends was very interesting in that they were a band still ascending, and that album forever dispelled any thought that they would fade and leave the scene early. And then of course there was OK Computer, which was another level entirely.
It’s a masterpiece. Its incredible how music evolved from ‘rock around the clock’ to ‘castles made of sand in the space of about a decade.
I was going to comment but I think I better "Wait Until Tomorrow." Yes. AXIS: BOLD AS LOVE was a great second album. The music. The album art work. The song order. I played that album so much in the 60s it wore out the groove on the vinyl.
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The guitar playing on Wait Till Tomorrow is astonishing, so nonchalant.
I love all of Hendrix's work, but I think that Axis: Bold as Love is still a bit constrained. All of the pieces are still limited by 60s pop sensibilities - all the pieces are short and cute (with the exception of If 6 was 9) and it doesn't really have the bombast of the other 2 studio albums.
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"Who needs new music ! Everybody knows music reached perfection in 1978" - Homer Simpson
Absolute nonsense it’s developed drastically since that year your still living in the past
He said 1974 btw lol
1982 Asia, Toto, John Mellencamp, Duran Duran< Steve Miller, ABC, Fleetwood Mac, Adam Ant all released million selling albums, while Dionne Warwick, Steve Winwood, The Beach Boys, The Who, Golden Earring and The Rolling Stones all released albums
True.
Led Zep II is probably the best 2nd album ever.
I'm an Aussie and local band Midnight Oil, their 2nd album "Head Injuries" is my favourite.
Without question. Agree 💯 %! LZ2
The Church - Blurred Crusade...
These people's opinion is no more worthy than anyone else's. Foe r instance I saw Zep's second tour in the U.S. I really liked and still like their first album. There second album is why I lost interest in them. I don't really like to hear someone sing about the gonad's(lemon song). I think it is kind of juvenile.
The thing about Beato is he really doesn't understand the sixties.
@@user-zq9kl1pc1x I agree. That middle section of whole lotta love is a poor excuse for psychedelia. San Francisco bands had the best psychedelia.
@@user-zq9kl1pc1x I can only imagine how you feel about Dark Side of the Moon if Whole Lotta Love spoils an album as great as LZII.
Nirvana Nevermind absolutely needs to be on this list. It's always forgotten about as far as great 2nd albums.
Good call😎👍
That was the first album that came to my mind when they made the question. I think few 2nd albums are that great
@@Colaeroimages there were a bunch of great 2nd albums in that era. Alice in chains, faith no more are a couple more
Absolutely. As others said, AIC should be here.
I think it's more than the second album on the timeline though.
Imagine dropping the needle on Zep II for the first time wondering if they were able to capture the energy and aggression of their first album and then whole lotta love starts
Queen 2, one of the greatest 2nd albums. Masterpiece
Music From Big Pink is fantastic of course, but The Band (their self-titled second album, the one with the brown cover) is PERFECTION.
This is the comment I was looking for. Gets my vote as well, followed closely by Bridge of Sighs.
100% Also needed to make sure someone said this. The Band’s second album is amazing.
Robin Trower…. Yup …and still doing it‼️
Absolutely, and if they didn't mention it, I should stop listening to this now.
First album I thought of: The Band. Great as Big Pink is, that album is better.
Some of the best 2nd albums that come to mind:
Led Zeppelin- II
Black Sabbath- Paranoid
Metallica- Ride the Lightning
Iron Maiden- Killers
Judas Priest- Sad Wings of Destiny
Slipknot- Iowa
Mastodon- Leviathan
Aerosmith- Get Your Wings
Nirvana- Nevermind
Alice in Chains- Dirt
Stone Temple Pilots- Purple
Pearl Jam- Vs.
The Black Crowes- The Southern Harmony & Musical Companion
Live- Throwing Copper
I Mother Earth- Scenery and Fish
The Tragically Hip- Road Apples
The Tea Party- Splendor Solis or Edges of Twilight (Depending on what you consider their first)
Kiss- Hotter Than Hell
Tool- Aenima
RATM- Evil Empire
Oasis- Whats the Story? (Morning Glory)
Rush- Fly By Night
Jimi Hendrix- Axis: Bold as Love
The Doors- Strange Days
Cream- Disraeli Gears
Fly to the rainbow. Scorpions
You forgot these gems:
Queen - Queen II
Rainbow - Rising
Uriah Heep - Salisbury
Mötley Crüe - Shout at the Devil
Dio - The Last in Line
I am so grateful to be able to listen to smart, passionate people talk about music. Please have more of these discussions.
Fly By Night - 2nd Album. Lee/Lifeson/Peart - 2nd version of band (OBTW FBN was their 1st album). The Warning - first time I've felt the depth of emotion for a band since I became a Rush convert after hearing 2112 for the first time in 1976 as a sophomore in high school. DPA have single-handedly rekindled this 62-year old's love of straight ahead hard rock and given me hope for the future of that genre. OBTW DPA are just slightly younger than LLP were when Rush cut FBN :).
Linkin Park’s second album Meteora is a phenomenal maturing of their early sound; there isn’t a single bad song on that record.
Hybrid theory better though
Siamese Dream by the Smashing Pumpkins is a quantum leap ahead of their debut! 😀
Thank you! Couldn’t agree more.
Queen II is the second studio album by the British rock band Queen in 1974. Set in stone the future of the bands sound and vision.
I never understood people liking Queen II. To me it is one of the weakest Queen albums, especially between magnificent Queen I and Sheer Heart Attack.
I love black side and I like Queen I more@@dmitrykazakov2829
@@dmitrykazakov2829 Maybe you need to listen to it with a music production ear. Listen to the mix, overdubbing and layering going on. Listen to Freddy's voice and band harmonies. Listen to Brians guitar. Take note of the huge variety of music styles. The Album is Queen showing off all their skills. Queen 2 is easy listening to any Queen fan
@@dmitrykazakov2829 Wow! Queen II is probably my favourite Queen album. I love the theme and how the songs merge into one another, March of the Black Queen is EPIC!
@@armlesswalrus I know, many like it. To me it is even worse than Hot Space or Flash Gordon. They really spent everything on Queen I and recharged only in Sheer Heart Attack. Father to Son, Funny How Love and Seven Seas of Rhye borrowed from Queen I and unnecessarily expanded are only tracks good for Queen. The rest is dull, overproduced and uninteresting...
Great 2nd records:
Rush - Fly By Night
The Cars - Candy O
Foreigner - Double Vision
Foreigner doesn't get the respect it deserves as a band
OASIS What's the Story Morning Glory? 22 million buyers can't be wrong. Amazing 2nd album!
G'day from downunder! Whilst I appreciate your main channel of tuition & analysis, THIS DISCUSSION means more to me than anything you have done. You see, you 4 guys are just me and my mates sitting around having a beer 30 years ago, listening to albums and talking music. The only difference is each of us would have a beer and there would be someone going to the record player and putting on an album every so often and telling us to "listen to this!!". Sadly, now, a few of my mates are ghosts around the campfire but the memories of those conversations are brought back, each time I play one of those albums. Rock on Rick!
My friend's mom had a huge 8 track stereo and a Columbia Records subscription. She let him pick one album and he chose Van Halen II. That first listen of EVH was magical. I was immediately hooked and that album became the soundtrack of my life that summer and on into my freshman year in high school. Van Halen played most of that album at Oakland Coliseum that summer and that one show still lives on in my mind as Legend. VH II really takes the killer attitude and live feel of the first album, kicks up the swagger to 11 and slams it home with a vengeance. I'm biased as hell but I think it's a great second album and was the perfect musical landscape for that period of my life. 🤘🎸 (As I was writing this, I just listened to the 2015 re-master and it's still soooo good😊)
I totally agree VH II was the one for me as well the album was raw and had a great summer vibe from front to back each track is a classic. They were young and hungry. Everyone was coming into there prime - from Mikey’s backing vocals and bass coming thru strong to Dave’s voice and Al’s thunder drums and of course Ed…. Ed’s riffs on that album can’t be topped from the intros to beautiful girls and women in loves harmonics - never heard anything like that before
VH II rules!!!
Old Dudes! Great post Rick! I'm 70 and I grew up on all the icons! The music of your youth is what stays with you the longest! It will always transfer you to the place in time when it first blew your mind!
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Paul’s Boutique by Beastie Boys was a truly groundbreaking sophomore album.
Yeah they were considered almost a novelty act for their first album but Paul's Boutique solidified them as a serious band and has a bunch of their best work
Duran Duran's Rio is a highly underrated album. Great second album.
Agree, one of the strongest albums of all time - it's a masterpiece- every song is amazing
"Can't Buy A Thrill"--incredible first album. "Countdown To Ecstasy"--even better second album.
Agree…nothing preceded or succeeded the coolness of Show Biz Kids. King of the World, Your Gold Teeth….nothing like them either…plus it was nice to see a little less control and just let it rip.
Pearl Of The Quarter is probably the nearest they got to a love song. Great track.
SD's entire catalog is great, but for me their 1st 2 LPs are the best stylistically and sonically for what I like to hear.
They were a band for those two records. Then they became Donald and Walter with the best session cats they could assemble.
And they just kept getting better!
2nd Foo Fighter album is great. 3 songs that people absolutely love, and 'Everlong' pops into the download rankings all the time, 26 years after its release.
Definitive Foo Fighters album!
I always felt like the Get your Wings album by Aerosmith was a fantastic second record. Took the blueprint from their debut and made a quantum leap into there distinct blues rock sound imo. It has the classic songs like Train kept Rollin’ and Same old Song and Dance, but even better deep cuts such as Season of Wither, Lord of the Thighs, etc.
I was thinking the same.
Completely agree. The first album was a careful working out of influences. Not bad, but they really found their swagger and their identity on the second album.
I can't stand Train Kept A Rollin', but I absolutely love Same Old Song and Dance and Seasons of Wither.
Get Your Wings is one of the albums that every once in while (although not anymore) throws the general public for a loop. It’s was the 2nd album and people bought it and thought their debut album “Aerosmith” was actually their 2nd. People went to the record store and thought ohh Aerosmith put out a new album, because they saw it there too.
Same thing happened with Nirvana (my least favorite band) people thought “Nevermind” was the debut and “Bleach” was the 2nd album. When in reality it’s the other way around.
Jethro Tull "Stand Up" was their second album and still stands the test of time. An amazing album, just amazilng, recorded in 1969.
I really only was a huge fan of Jethro Tull for This Was, Stand Up, an Benifit. Stand Up truly is one of the greatest rock albums of all time! I still have the original vinyl with the pop up inside. I still crank the cd on my stereo every so often. Crazy good band, crazy great song writing an lyrics. Martin Barre is still a awesome guitar player.
Stand Up should be declared cultural heritage for all humanity
A couple of great second albums that come to mind are Throwing Copper by Live and In Search of Space by Hawkwind.
Seeing @WardCarroll on Beato is my heaven. Fighter Jets and Gibsons. I’m so happy.
Fran is the best. Please get this group together for more podcasts!
The self titled Collective Soul album from 1995 (their 2nd) is absolutely awesome.
For Fleetwood Mac there was first Peter Green, then Bob Welch and then Buckingham and Nicks (3ed incarnation)
Queen II is probably the most overlooked great second album because it wasn't commercially successful
Bing Bing Bing - we have a winner!
@@porcelinaofvastoceans from The Game on I would agree but their early stuff was pretty good. Sheer Heart Attack, NATO and DATR were great rock album. With News of the World and Jazz their started going more toward a pop sound
@@ronsaunders7294agreed! I think they had a pretty strong run of albums in the 70’s
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True, that younger people only know of their major hits. Too bad that they don’t know of their early catalogue of music. So many great songs. IMHO, all band members were talented musicians and are not over rated. Wish younger fans knew more than their 5 major hits.
@@Panda_man.. Someone once described Queen's early albums as Led Zeppelin meets the Beach Boys, heavy rock with amazing vocal harmonies
If you're looking for a second album that represents a great leap forward for the band, then you can do no better than "The Bends", by Radiohead!
amen
Absolutely. Not a bad song on it, just banger after banger
@@Colaeroimageslol. Never thought I'd hear someoene classifying anything from that album as "a Banger" 😀
Good call. Album is so good.
This round table was outstanding, Rick!
Huge fan of Ward’s, too! Definitely looking forward to your next discussion. Please don’t wait too long 😁👍🏼
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Suede’s second album Dog Man Star was an amazing album after a brilliant debut album that defined the 90’s britpop sound
Serious kudos for seeing Suede mentioned. Best band of that entire scene for me. Adore them.
@@DevypocalypseGreat seeing other Suede fans here. Their latest album Autofiction is fantastic from start to finish
@@michaelperez4001 They don't get the props for some of the amazing guitar parts and arrangements over the years. Always takes me back to another dream world of nostalgia.
I love this format of organic dialog about music in general. So. Much. Fun. Would love to listen more of these kinds of conversations.
I like this format every now and then. Four older guys that are huge music fans, just having a general conversation about music, artists, etc.
This roundtable discussion was thoroughly enjoyable. I hope you have the opportunity to do more of these. You always let your guests talk at length and you listen and let the conversation go wherever it leads. You are becoming the Dick Cavett of music interviews! Nuno Bettencourt, Visiting Abbey Road, Yngwie Malmsteen, Andy Summers, Pat Metheny... I am on a bit of binge this weekend enjoying everything.
You guys talked about the difference between experiencing an older band fresh when they came out vs. being younger and experiencing them decades later. I'd love to hear a roundtable discussion with young people and their experiences hearing the classic rock bands in recent times and how it affected them.
Tons of them on TH-cam first listens.
Imperfections assumed to be interpretive artistic endeavor.
I'm a much younger guy (still in my twenties) and I grew up listening to the music from the 70s and 80s, as well as the modern stuff. I can assure you that a 40 year old song can become a part of your memories just as much as a contemporary one, and the connection stays with you forever. Whenever I hear a song from Mott the Hoople's "Mott" album, it takes me back to the time when I just moved to my own flat, and it was in 2016, some 43 years after the album was released. It really comes down to what you're listening to at the moment, no matter how old it is
My daughter and her new husband are both in their early twenties. They love all kinds of music. Contemporary as well as older stuff. Frank Sinatra and the Beatles, to Post Malone. I like that they enjoy the old stuff, but I'm biased. In fact, I would definitely say they like the older music more than I like newer music. So...
@bobbys4327yeah and most of them come across as totally fake ‘I’ve never heard this before’ when they have / overreactions to get clicks and views.
Loved this conversation and group of personalities. Great stuff.
Great conversation Rick. Bring everyone back for another show
Can you still love music like you did when you did when you were young? A: at 42 years old I discovered Porcupine Tree, which led of course to Steven Wilson. I went on a multi year track to absorb every drop. Now of course he's remastering all of my old heroes' music. So, yes, Rick - you can!
You don't know what we're talking about though. In 1982 you bought the cassette or the Vinyl and that's it. You went to you're room and listened carefully to the whole album. There wasn't much else, really no game systems, no internet, no phones... except the house phone. These guys (or once in a while a lady rocker) were like heroes (okay I see you get that), and some of them like Ozzy you were scared of at first!!! It was a whole other experience and if you got to go to a concert!!!! Well I think you're into something differnt anyway - Porcupine Tree?
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I’m 47 and am still constantly adding new songs to my Spotify playlists. I don’t think I will ever stop searching out new music
@@robdurfee6861 It's good for the soul. Many years I couldn't go to concerts.
Then life changed - mainly the kids grew up and I was on my own again, separated from my wife. And with freedom I got to do some things that I loved again.
I went to a lot of rock concerts the past 7 years.
I only ever watched one Ward Carroll video, and I asked him about the guitar in the background. Go figure here he is now, on a guitar channel. For what it's worth, he answered the question and was happy to speak about his instrument.
AC/DC's second album, "T.N.T" often gets overlooked in this discussion because Atlantic released a compilation of their first 2 albums as their debut international release. What many people outside of Australia know as "High Voltage" is really their second album: It's a Long Way to the Top... Rock 'n' Roll Singer... The Jack... Live Wire... T.N.T.... Rocker... Can I Sit Next to You, Girl... High Voltage... School Days...
Glad they mentioned it because my favorite 2nd album of all time is Counting Crows’ “Recovering the Satellites.” Of course, I’m biased because they’re my favorite band, and “August and Everything After” is my favorite debut album. They’re actually my favorite 2 albums of all time. They’re so different, but each spoke directly to me and what I was going through emotionally at the times (high school for “August” and college during “Satellites.”
One of the top selling albums of all time (top 80 all time which is quite an accomplishment when you think about it) is What’s The Story Morning Glory? by Oasis. As second albums go, to me this crushes most. It topped their debut and made their very solid third album appear as a disappointment. A sneaky classic.
Showing my age:
"The Band" (followed "Music From Big Pink")
"Buffalo Springfield Again" (followed "Buffalo Springfield")
"Surrealistic Pillow" (followed "Jefferson Airplane Takes Off")
totally agree with the first two
Loved this conversation. More of this please.
(Ritchie Blackmore's) RAINBOW - the second album "Rising". Epic. Monumental....A masterpiece!
For Blackmore it was like... 12th album though? So not sure it counts...
@@MonadTransformer Was nevertheless only the 2nd album for the band Rainbow (in this case Blackmore's time in Purple would not count....we're talking about bands here, not the players).
1993 was loaded with great 2nd albums. The Smashing Pumpkins’ Siamese Dream, Swervedriver’s Mezcal Head, the Catherine Wheel’s Chrome, Pearl Jam’s Vs. All were great guitar oriented alternative rock albums.
And Ward is right, DIIV is great. Lots of great newer bands if you have an open mind and get away from the radio.
I said that too! VS. is better than TEN! I remember buying the Swervedriver cd back in ‘94 because of the cow with the ring in his nose! Never heard the band and yes, it’s an awesome cd!
@@DPRyan-vd5ppTEN was plodding, like walking in mud. Versus was tight and well produced.
Absolutely the best 41:17 I've spent in a long time. What a great discussion about recordings and formats and artists. Bravo. By the way, one of my favorite 2nd albums is Def Leppard High-N-Dry. By far their best album, and one of the best albums of the day. Ozzy Diary of a Madman is also pretty stellar. Just sayin.
high n dry is their most underrated album. I think its better than Hysteria. You have ' another hit and run', 'bringin on a heartbreak'followed by the raw instrumental 'switch 625', 'mirror mirror'and plenty of good tracks.
I'm 52 and I find new and amazing music all the time. Anyone who says there's no new good music is not trying to find it. I play drums and Bass so that's what I'm generally looking for.
Reggatta de Blanc is one mighty fine 2 album.
I'd listen to 3 hours of these discussions. Please do more.
CandyO. Best second Album behind arguably the best debut album by The Cars.
I don't know if you'd win that argument, but I would stand beside you while you made it.
Van Halen 2 is my favorite 2nd album. While it's not as great as their debut it is still INCREDIBLE and a joy to listen too! 🤘🎸
My favorite VH record. 1 is second.
Black Sabbath’s second album Paranoid set them up for life.
It was done in roughly a week or so. 😅
Best Second Albums:
- Led Zeppelin II
- Nirvana: Nevermind
- STP: Purple
- Alice In Chains: Dirt
- Pixies: Doolittle
You nailed it with Purple
I’m glad Ward brought up Genesis. It took me 40 years to fall in love with the Peter Gabriel era. I didn’t even know that Peter (big fan, just saw him in Denver) was in Genesis until many years after I became a fan of the band starting with the video “Turn It On Again”. I think I had to mature musically to appreciate that prog era. ‘The Lamb Lies Down..’ started me down that rabbit hole. I missed out on all that great music for almost 4 decades. Now I can honestly say that I LOVE ALL versions of Genesis!
It's rare to find somebody who 'loves all versions' of the band. If a fan loves, say, Trespass (a GREAT 2nd album) or Foxtrot they are unlikely to like 'We Can't Dance' or 'Invisible Touch' - they are effectively different bands. In my experience - having loved the band since the 70s - most Gabriel-era fans completely accepted Collins becoming vocalist and their albums like Trick of the Tail - but many lost interest after Steve Hackett left. The album 'Duke' (1980) seems to be where remaining fans left the ship.
I saw Gensis live the first time they played in Seattle - original band with Gabrial in costumes. There was no warm-up band. They sounded great live. They played the entire Trespass, Nursery Crime, Fox Trot, and Selling England by the Pound albums - it was fantastic, and the sound was great. I also saw the second 'incarnation' of Gensis on their 'Seconds Out' tour - no Gabrial - with Chester Tompson sharing drum set duty with Phil Colins, who also sang lead vocals - that was a great set of albums and concert. The bottom line on Genesis' first two incarnations is that I wouldn't change a thing about them. The album recording styles suited the music compositions perfectly. It is said that Pink Floyds album "Dark Side of the Moon" was in the top 100 bestselling albums list for 15 years and that most people wore out 3 copies of that album, if you've listened to all those Genesis albums (not counting "From Genesis to Revelations",) as much or more than "Dark Side...", you understand that it would have been nonsense to record them like "A Trick of the Tail", "Wind & Wuthering, or "...And Then There Were Three" because the first 6 albums mastering produced a sonic variety that allowed for more than distant vicarious storytelling, they included many levels of dry and reverb, ensemble musical passages, and at times put you right in the action with an almost 3-dimensionality. The more compressed and processed sounds of the next 3-albums were beautiful and great in their own way, they just have nothing to say - one way or other - about the first 6 albums quality. I'm glad that the equipment and effects available after "The Lamb Lies Down..." (1974) for instruments and mastering recordings wasn't available (or wasn't used) for Genesis' first 6 albums.
Rush - Fly By Night; the change to Peart as drummer and lyricist was huge.
Purple from STP is a great second album.
One of the most under rated albums of all time.
Took my words
It is brilliant. Tiny music is tasty as well. The DeLeo Brothers wrote great music.
Totally Agree@@ronondechek14
@@youropionmattersnot That they do and still to this day they do.
My parents played the Beatles when I was a kid so I knew of them and loved their songs. Here's the interesting thing: I started playing in bands right around the time when Kurt Cobain died. All the bands I played in were heavy minded like that but it didn't resonate with me as much as something more melodic. Enter Oasis. When their first record came out it combined the two in a way that made sense to me: Loud guitars and uplifting melodies. 1995 was the banner year though: What's The Story Morning Glory (one of the best 2nd albums ever made) came out along with the Beatles Anthology. I remember digging out the old red and blue albums and then doing the deep dive into their back catalogue. So interestingly, when I hear the Beatles now I have AS VIVID of a response to my teen years as I do with Oasis and more than I do Nirvana (who I do love and whose 2nd record Nevermind is also one of the greatest 2nd albums of all time!). When I hear "Cry Baby Cry" or the Blue Album I remember hanging out with my teenage friends and making music. It's definitely possible to gravitate towards music that is not of your era!
And the drums were so good in the nineties. Oasis drums are very good for a not-drum focused band.
I agree. Noel Gallagher said he wants to remix Morning Glory. I've heard some of the Rock Band stuff and I think that record would be even better with a bigger drum and bass sound as the guitars kind of swallow up the rhythm section on the official version. Still amazing though!@@Bacopa68
Great second albums:
Tool - Aenima
Alice in Chains - Dirt
Marilyn Manson - Antichrist Superstar
Nirvana - Nevermind (personally don't really like it as a Nirvana fan, but definitely a big "second record" in the world)
Linkin Park - Meteora
Nine Inch Nails - The Downward Spiral
Haven't finished watching the vid so maybe these get mentioned, but this is a fun exercise!
I'd add Limp Bizkit's Significant Other and Deftones' Around the Fur
i havent watched the video either but i doubt those two will be mentioned
AIC Dirt... Many people didn't grab on to it back then.....they were just lil slow.
That's one hell of a great list.
@@youropionmattersnot I don't know about that. Seemed like a pretty big album when it came out, from my memory at least. Came out around the same time as the movie Singles that took place in Seattle (and featured AIC in a scene). There was just so much Alternative music exploding at that time.
STP purple.
I'm 48. And I absolutely have been gobsmacked by modern bands the same as when I first discovered Iron Maiden and Metallica in the late 80s. In 2005 I discovered Nightwish and had the same "must devour it all" feeling that I had... and 18 yrs later still feel the same. Then in 2019 I had a triple discovery of 2 bands from Japan, 1 from Mexico, Band-Maid, Lovebites and the Warning. And it was like being a teen all over again.
I truly feel sad for most people, who seem to be so locked into their nostalgia of their teens and 20s so many decades ago, that they can't allow themselves to have that same sense of wonder and curiosity about new music. When music stops exciting me like that, I think it will be the correct time for them to unplug my life support.
Agreed. And also people that lock into one genre of music. I think the "old music is best" crowd are really missing their youth and that music brings them back that age. And that’s cool. Personally I like lists of the music from my youth in the late 60s. But I listened to lots of lousy music then too. My tastes have evolved to many styles now too. I’ve been listening to London Grammar recently, and Clutch, new Depeche Mode, Royal Blood, 3d Secret, Portishead, Evan Bartels. I also appreciate bands whose sound evolved a lot. Like David Bowie or Queen. Beck is another whose albums change a lot.
Agree completely, far too many people find their niche and it becomes their 'safe place' music wise and they won't deviate from it. It's frustrating because I want them to experience new things and share the joy I get, through discovering new bands. Also tend to find that it isn't just music that their minds are closed to. I've not heard of Lovebites, going to check them out after this. Cheers from Scotland......
STP Purple is one of my favorite 2nd albums.
Same, that album is fire.
Totally agree
Rick Beato is the “producer of the people”. Just how accessible he has made himself with his channel. His insights and instructions are wonderful, and his interviews and stories are a great listen. Like Anthony Bourdain gleefully regaling his times in the kitchen, Beato does the same with his stories in bands, studios, etc.
Imagine the stories of producers we all know. Imagine the tea the likes of Martin Birch, who is sadly dead, could say about Deep Purple, Maiden, and Sabbath. What about Flemming Rasmussen and tales of Blackmore and Metallica. Did Joe Lynn Turner’s wig ever fall off? What about Lange and Jones and their stories?
Thank you Mr Beato. You are a music-philes companion. Osiris speed, sir.
So awesome to See Ward Carroll on Ricks Channel!
Doors - Strange Days; My Bloody Valentine - Loveless; Queen - Queen II
Wow, been a sub'd viewer of Ward's and Rick for a while. I'm a DE/FF sonar tech vet and a drummer. I alwaze see the gear behind Ward on his videos, but never put 2 & 2 together. Who knew! Rock on sir and keep on updating us on the current situation in the Middle East.
A Trick of the Tail era btw w/Bill Bruford helping on percussion...
Lynyrd Skynyrd Second Helping definitely great follow up album
I was 17 in the summer of 2003. I had been playing guitar for a few years and recently bought Frampton Comes Alive. Anytime I hear any song off that album I’ll always think of driving in my truck, going with my friends to my sister and her husbands apartment and swimming in their pool. So no, you don’t have to be in real time with the album for it to make a huge impact on your memories, in my case.
This is fantastic to hear that album has found a place in your heart 27 years after it was released. I have some strong (and great) memories of that album (and subsequent concert) from when it was "new".
Music is life!
These guys were all so interesting and knowledgeable. This should be a regular group podcast, but would need a more focused topic, this one covered so many things!
Megadeth's Peace sells but who's buying ? Is a case as is Rush's Fly by night ! The person who mentioned The Police Regatta De Blanc, nailed that, one of the best 2nd albums I can think of . Duran Duran's RIO great 2nd Album, Yes Fragile !
I was scrolling for awhile to find peace sells because I think it's one of the best metal albums ever written
@@glaedrlol I agree 100% !!!!
Great 2nd Albums, Diary of a Madman, Shout at the Devil, Sad Wings of Destiny, Ride the Lightning, Led Zeppelin II, Paranoid, Rainbow Rising, Tooth and Nail, Little Queen...
Scorpions- Fly To The Rainbow
I'm 54, a lifelong music lover, and I just discovered Jason Isbell this year. His music hits me and makes me feel like the stuff I discovered and loved as a teenager and a young man.
100%
Same here, 55, but I stumbled on him 2 years ago. Saw him live this year. Did not expect to feel like that about new music again.
@@HasturT I saw them in July, seeing them again in February. So damn good.
I think “Loveless” by My Bloody Valentine is technically a second album, one of the greatest from the 90s. “The Bends” is a phenomenal album. But perhaps “Nevermind” is one of the greatest second albums of all time.
Probably the best one if we consider not only the compositions but also the impact it had on rock music
Loveless ! ❤
you're right, hard to beat Loveless
You four need to do a regular podcast. Just loved the insight and opinions.
I've been following Ward Carroll's channel for a few years now and I remember being surprised when I saw him on here with Rick - not knowing then that he was so involved with guitar/music. Growing up not too far from Oceana Naval Air Station in Va. Beach, the Tomcat (F-14) was THE plane. We'd go watch the annual airshow there with the Blue Angels as the main draw, but the Oceana Tomcat pilots (guys like Ward ) always had a demo, too, and they would absolutely flog the place.
Mooch!
I dunno how people can live near Oceana --- those F-14's made the house shake!
@@fredwerza3478 Very true!
Who wouldn't like those jets flying over your house? That's the sound of FREEDOM, son!
Jeez, he has an LP and a Hummingbird sitting on stands on the background of his TH-cam set.
I had absolutely no idea. Love Ward, love Rick, that they even know each other completely blows my mind, let alone the origin story of Ward's channel, I just had no clue. Fantastic.
Rising by Rainbow. This album is epic! It has their best line up. Ronnie James Dio, Ritchie Blackmore, Tony Carey, Jimmy Bain & Cozy Powell. Also, it contains easily their greatest song , “Stargazer”. Just epic.
Commenting on the band mentioned @17:05.
DIIV the band (formerly known as DIVE) is alive and well. I just saw them open up for Depeche Mode in Philadelphia 4 nights ago. They were terrific. Their sound reminded me of a cross between The Cure and The Pixies.
Fly By Night is an amazing 2nd album.
Santana's debut album released on the heels of their historic Woodstock performance was an amazing first album and sonically different from rock albums of that time. Their second album Abraxas completely eclipses it. Their sound matured from the Afrocentric sound of the first to the Afro Latino and some jazz moods of Abraxas. Even the black and white cover art of the first reflected the jump in the incredibly colorful cover of Abraxas. 💖✨🔥⚡🚀🤘🏽
In regards to the comment at 38:49 , I live in Japan and was driving a very old, low end vehicle a few years back that came stock with a simple radio /cassette and a single speaker on the passenger's door. When I was driving home from work in the evening, NHK radio used to play full, uninterrupted albums at the DJ's whim. Anyway, one night it was "Are You Experienced," the mono version. It sounded phenomenal! Still fresh, violent, and alive. Indeed, the medium changes the message a lot.
FRAN!!! Killer guitarist...crazy TH-cam channel...did AMAZING work with The Tom Collins and Butch Walker and The Black Widows, too. Good seeing his mug here.
Freewheelin' - Bob Dylan, Surrealistic Pillow - Jefferson Airplane, The Band - The Band, Transformer - Lou Reed,
I love this conversation and really appreciate the combined thoughts of all of the participants. Brilliant, dynamic flow of conversation.
So cool there are historical relationships and friendships between them. What cameras are you using for this? Really well pulled together, sound and video.
I really liked this sort of roundtable format. I’d sure watch another one like this.
Led Zep II is probably the best second album but my favorite by far is Gretchen Goes to Nebraska by King's X. It made me a fan for life.
Summerland, in my past... days were full and I knew it would last... I never thought there was anything else but you. Great lyrics for this discussion.
Back in the mid 80's I saw Michel Hedges live in a small pub, here in Sweden. It blew my mind, It's one of the best "band" experiences I've ever had.
Looking at guitar playing today… Stanley Jordan and Hedges are the biggest influences by far.
Ward Carroll’s channel is great- it’s an automatic “go to” if you want an educated perspective on US military involvement and actions around the world, or if you just have an interest in military aviation (mostly naval) in general. 👍🇺🇸