The Ink Tank also has a complete chronological Ben 10 timeline video called "The ENTIRE Story of Ben 10 ILLUSTRATED [All 5 Parts]" if you want to see just how crazy the franchise became.
@@theduckgoesmoo I too recommend you watching it for a better understanding of what happens throughout the series and for being a great recap that's worth rewatching.
As someone who’s read some green lantern comics and watched Ben 10. To my knowledge the user of the ring has to be consciously thinking about the constructs they create, while the omnitrix can switch Ben instantaneously, so Hal is limited by his imagination and own brain since he’s competing with an AI and literally 1 million + aliens.
But the power ring is also aware and has even acted on its own without Hal being aware of danger. Also it was important that they addressed Hal (without his powers) being able to fly a space shit around light speed, because the brain still has to be able to process information within that time. And that's before factoring in the fastest speeds.
@@anthonycole2753 I may be wrong about this too but I think that the ring’s AI is not as advanced as the omnitrix as I’m pretty sure the ring is only meant to protect the user from danger, not necessarily create constructs for the user or any specific action. while the omnitrix has to cycle through aliens to pick the best choice for Ben, even if Ben isn’t in danger hence the gag why he gets wrong aliens. (I think that ring’s AI was purposely meant to be not as intelligent since the previous AIs - the man hunters rebelled against the guardians because they got too advanced.)
@@blueblood1.0 There was a time where Hal was being ambushed with a Starro to the back of his neck and the detected the ambush and constructed a shield behind Hal to stop the Starro. I'm not so sure about the AI thing since the ring has a database within it, though it isn't always consistent (as such with DC).
@@anthonycole2753 oh thx for pointing that out! Wasn’t aware that happened tho that basically ties into another point by Ink tank In a separate vid, where Hal isn’t treated as any specific version but as an amalgamation of all his incarnations, while Ben didn’t get to use any of his alternate furure’s special abilities and also how they pointed out weaknesses that only Ben in the original series had but had outgrown in future series’s.
@@blueblood1.0 No problem. I wish I could send that panel if the ring stopping the Starro, but every time I send a link, TH-cam automatically deletes comments with links in them.
10:29 Basically, Chromastone can resist, absorb, and refract energy off of himself like a prism. Like shooting light through a prison causes it to split off through the back. Chromastone can deflect energy, like electricity, magic, or light, off his body or absorb it and shoot his own lasers. Feedback can use his wires to intake energy and convert it into electricity to shoot out or just fire back in general as a laser or its original form. He’s also the one the Omnitrix forced Ben to turn into the catch the Big Bang
@@honeyjm8324 'where the magic happens'. we've also seen chromastone shocked when wet, and he's never even come CLOSE to absorbing what hal is capable of. Plus the creators confirmed he'd be vaporised in an instant if he tried to absorb the big bang or an entire sun. no demonstrated upper limit doesn't mean infinite capacity.
it probably wasn't intentional, but given the rules that the writers of Ben 10 themselves put in place, Ben Tennyson is basically unkillable. omnitrix failsafe to prevent him dying plus Alien X alone makes him indestructable. would he be strong enough to kill Hal Jordan? idk. but Hal can't kill Ben. and especially not with a pair of goddamn scissors.
I’m well aware that Green-Lantern is also stupidly OP, and has likely fought and beaten several universe-level or even multiverse-level characters without temporary power-ups, so I wouldn’t rule it out COMPLETELY that he could beat Ben and even Alien-X, but I definitely agree that a LOT of DB’s reasoning, and the way they had him die in the animation, didn’t make since, and if Hal WERE to beat Alien-X there’s no way it would happen like that. I would’ve minded it less if they had given it a more believable conclusion.
@@HaydenStephens515 That's just not true. Green lanterns have fought beings like Alien X before and the green lanterns don't stand a chance. Alien X could easily beat hal. Beings that have complete control over reality itself are a bit above his pay grade.
Kuro actually made a follow up video called *"Why Death Battle's animation matters"* which seemingly made Death Battle rethink their policy on how they use different versions of the same character.
How did this make Death Battle rethink their policy on using different versions of the same character? One of their 4 rules is that in-canon material and material that supports in-canon feats like cartoon adaptations, are fair game. Kuro didn’t understand how DC continuity worked, so he assumed Hal was a composite.
@@UltimastrikerX it was not. Hal and other Lanterns weren’t reset by Crisis. So its literally the exact same Hal. Later on Hal recalls pre-Crisis events.
@@christianpeterson1832 if that's the case then this Hal should have retained the weakness of yellow. The one good thing about this Hal is the ability of time travel, and even then that won't serve him well - cause Ben can do the same thing too.
@@matheusdemello2323 for starters, they didn't use a composite green lantern. Hal having the powers of his fellow lanterns unless specified otherwise (so long as he has enough will) is how his powers work in dc, and he explicitly survived the crisis events unchanged, meaning he is still the same hal through multiple universes. Among other things yes, he still can and has time travelled, including transporting the entire lanter corps to the universe before his own. Plus hal himself has not only been directly compared to the central battery in terms of power but can access it at any time he likes. A major security flaw, but one that's part of the story. Kuro brings up a bunch of additional powers ben has, but hal has a counter or established immunity to pretty much all of them. Its.... a bit of a long story. Theres a LOT of details in this fight
"They can just blink, and we'd be gone" It doesn't matter how fast you can react if you're faced with instantaneous non-existence, and while it takes Hal time to create a construct as he has to think it up and actually make it, Ben can transform virtually instantly. They worded it as if Ben still had the time-out function or was locked in a transformation for a certain amount of time, which is wrong.
But...it does when Hal is fast enough to kill them a million times before they can finish that blink, which he can. And he's been faced with the same sort of complete erasure has and powered through. You are seriously underestimating the power of DC Characters.
“Instant” is not exact measure of time. Hal’s reaction feats and movement feats still far outweigh the onnitrix’s activation. Idk why you’d try explaining it this way.
Oh man, if 0nly he had a continuous field that had protected him from exactly that over a dozen times, just like his life mesh. Hal can and has literally survives that in his sleep
@@theduckgoesmoo it isnt needed. TLDR The Ink Tank criticizes Death Battle for using composite characters (pulling feats from different versions of the same character) as well as debunking some of the takes that the writers of Death Battle made in some sort of QnA video (I sadly dont remember what that video by the writers actually was). All in all it can be skipped.
@@theduckgoesmoo there's a video by a youtuber called green lantern vs ben10 the honest truth or something like that and it's by a guy called "your favorite villain" on youtube. He went back into researching both and still concluded that green lantern seriously destroys ben10 with proper research. Inktank is a massive fanboy for ben10 so it makes sense he will defend ben10 to the death.
Fun fact: I'm the user who used to go by BlueFlamingWolf. If you don't believe me, I believe the comment is still there for you to see. The video is called how Ben wins without alien X There's also a sequel to this video where he responds to more stuff from death battle cast. I believe it's called why death battle matters. I'd love to see more ink tank videos in the future
Nice. Wasn't anticipating you reacting to this so soon. Hope you can understand why people have such a negative reaction towards the death Battle now and why they felt it didn't do Ben justice.
@@theduckgoesmoo that’s cool man. Ink Tank has many more informative videos like this but they mostly centre around Ben Ten since he is creating his em comic line featuring the characters. Nevertheless, glad you enjoyed this video 👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾
@@theduckgoesmoo can you react to artistic evolution of one punch man please make a video about it please don't let me go on a another day and I don't know what to do with out the
Yeah Ink Tank is a great channel! These aren't some of my favorites but there's some great ones there If you're interested in Ben 10. Here's a fun thing: He's actually currently doing a restrospective analysis on every single Ben 10 episode, and the original series is already finished.
I really would like you to see the timeline video. Specifically the one with every part due to special guest stars. Overall I think you would love the series in its entirety.
If i had to recommend one of Ink Tank's videos, i think the first one is just all of Ben 10's aliens ranked from how powerful they are, which he goes into full detail including them in ranks like average human strong to Universe busters you can guess who is Universe is.
Albedo worked for the creator of the Omnitrix and he Has his Own Omnitrix , but he's trapped in the body of a Human, and since His Omnitrix is synchronized with Ben's Omnitrix , he's become a genetic duplicate of Ben , only with white hair and red clothing instead of green.
@@l0sts0ul89 The Omnitrix can create clothing and other things to assist the transformation, like NRG's Armor . So it makes sense the Omnitrix can alter the clothes of a Human Transformation too , like Albedo
@@hellkaiser64 just seems a bit odd when all of the equipment Ben scans doesn't change color, like NRGs suit or... other animals. Unlike the OG series and Omniverse Ben's clothes gets transforms to since thier clothes are respectively White and Black to Green
If you’re interested in watching more Ink Tank videos and if you’re interested in knowing more about Ben 10, then i recommend checking out The Ink Tank’s Ben 10 Breakdowns series, it might give you to much info on all of the episodes, but it can give you a general idea about what those Episodes is about.
(This is not my "insert day of asking" comment) A couple more videos id recommend are his "why ben 10 beats goku, superman, and pretty mich anyone" video, and his ben 10 timeline video of ben 10 which is in 5 parts I am a huge fan of the show and im pretty sure more people are now gonna start wanting you to do ben 10 content
there were plenty of previous Death Battles that I have disagreed with the results of but even the ones that I knew were wrong I could at least see some reasoning in how someone might come to a different conclusion, Ben 10 Vs Green Lantern was the one that I really couldn't find an excuse for, even within their own video they mention multiple reasons why Ben wins yet somehow they made GL win off of reasons that don't make sense. If your main point for victory is that they can travel back in time at least don't make them be fighting someone who can do it too
@@anthonycole2753 when has ben time traveled??? seriously?? he does it like at least once every season, from original ben 10 into omniverse, could be though one of his aliens (multiple can), from others like gwen or professor paradox, or from tech like the time bike things in omniverse. not only does he have additional defense against it he'll even know when it happens with the sodabro effect, basically since he done it so much he's aware when others do it
@@icebergwalrus7775 Ben's never time traveled on his own. We've only seen him use X and Clockwork to manipulate time not travel through it. The Sotoboro Effect doesn't sense time travel, Ben's future self tells Ben that it its the ripple caused by Chronosapiens using their powers and that's what they're able to feel for. Not any random anomaly regarding time travel or time manipulation.
@theduckgoesmoo You should do the follow up to this which is debunking Death Battle's Q&A for Green Lantern vs Ben 10 it goes even more into detail on how they screwed over Ben.
@@christianpeterson1832 okay and he's wrong about compositing but that is in the end of Bill the discussion is still itself, it also has a title there that literally says debunk. And talks alot about what Ben could do and what these guys missed.
“A response is not automatically a debunk” ergo having a response doesn’t mean you’ve actually debunked the argument was well deconstructed and explained why the points made were incorrect. Ben had everything in his stand arsenal and Kuro insisted they didn’t give him this when they did.
@@christianpeterson1832 not really, didn't use his best aliens even tho they mentioned them, didn't follow through with the lore of his arm and him been protected by the watch like you can't just sit here and claim they gave Ben everything.
@@faith4657 “didn’t use his best aliens”? Alien X is his best though. Nothing else would’ve bothered changing the outcome. Adding them in would just make Ben’s non Alien-X transformations more relevant.
inktank has many cool videos to react to. and beyond (series of documentary style exploration of the world of 5yl [ben 10/danny phantom fancomic by inktank]), the old trace the border series, Freeze Frame series.
Does Green Landern technically have infinite power since his will power was able to face all will power which would include himself🤨 So technically he could do whatever and counter counters?
@@MrMonkey2475 Sure but the blind thing technically means he’s able to do anything if he just believes in himself, which I think is the angle Death Battle saw.
He doesn't have infinite power since his ring needs to recharge. His also limited by his imagination, since he has to visualise the things he uses to win. He would need to know what a Chronosapien timebomb is, how it works and then have the time to make it and then there's the question of whether the gl ring can even replicate such a device in the first place. 😐
you should probably react to the story of ben 10 from The ink tank to understand everything important or just watch all of the shows besides the reboot
Yea, I would like to see more of your reaction to ben 10 stuff from Inktank. Like the power scale of ben's aliens or the entire story of ben 10. ( either has 5 parts or the mashed together version)
Hey Kyle, I have a versus show suggestion for you. It is called smash bracket. The premise is that everyone in smash has to fight, and it acts like an elimination tournament. The animation is really good, some even better than some death battles.
Yeah, Death Battle is fun to watch, but because they only have a month to 3 weeks do research and animate the video before it's first trailer comes out, it's a given that they will mess up on characters with extremely heavy and pretzeled lore.
@@theduckgoesmoo Why does any job do that? Deadlines need to be met, it's rare to delay a deadline. It's also rare that the product becomes better because of the delay, hype Sonic 2 trailer because of Sonic 1 delay for remodel of Sonic.
Green Lantern does win Death Battle just explained it horribly Maybe if they brought up the more relevant reasons for Hals win there would be less backlash but they just didn't do that
Actually, did you watch the Q&A section on this DB? The writer went hardcore fanboy and denied Ben feats he actually performed while giving excuse after excuse for Hal to do things other Green Lanterns have done.
or use composite ben and composite hal, at least. use wanked versions of both, or select a particular version of each, with the feats for that particular one?
So you think being separated from the Omnitrix along with lacking an arm and being sent to a dangerous pocket dimension was the work of the Omnitrix? Seriously?
@@justinalicea1590 The "Axe" while considered a weapon, didn't actually cut anything. It just sent Ben to the Null Void. The fact Ben could still transform meant that the Omnitrix was not cut off from him. Also the Omnitrix didn't react because it didn't consider the axe a danger, meaning it was technically not a weapon. Sunder never cut anything and in the end Ben's hand was reunited with his body without any adverse effects. Hal did try to cut it and the animation showed blood. If that was his will then the Omnitrix would have reacted and tried to stop it. If the fight ended with Hal's will overpowering the Omnitrix self-defense system, it could have technically worked out okay, except that's not possible either since the Omnitrix woule have turned Ben into Alien X from the start and we know Hal had no way to beat that, which is why he timetravelled in the first place.
@@Wendeta-hq2cp So the Omnitrix chose not to react, yet that is supposed to be evidence that it would react to limb removal? Please show actual evidence of it reacting to limb removal. And no, if you watched the final analysis, Hal can totally beat it. They only did the time travel solution for the animation because they didn't want to do another explosion death. Which apparently was the right decision, since the comments would have gotten exponentially worse if these supposed fans saw their "precious omnipotent god" die on screen.
@@justinalicea1590 There are no instances of limb removal shown on screen and only was actually hinted at unfortunatelly. What we do know however is that other attempts at actually removing the omnitrix by force or ripping Ben's arm off resulted in: A. The attempt failing B. The villain being blown away by the omnitrix C. The Omnitrix transforming Ben to save him Also let's not forget the following: Ben's Omnitrix is fused to his DNA and master control *which was on during the fight* means Ben can still transform even *if* his arm was cut. So no, your mood rings can't beat Level 20 so complex it can store the dna of the entire universe and more. Also no Alien X is omnipotent and immortal.
@@justinalicea1590 Please do try again though. I love making Hal fanboys eat dirt! XD There are plenty of othet DC character that could beat and even end Ben, just not Hal.
Yeah, off the bat since he doesn't know about Hal Jordan a lot of his arguments are flawed. If you really want to see this debunk video, I do recommend watching "Q&A: Ben 10 VS Green Lantern | DEATH BATTLE Cast #129" where a lot of the arguments made were debunked because the researcher knows both sides of the argument.
A lot of it comes down to interpretation I think, and what things you choose to accept as canon. Both DC and Ben10 are constantly retconning and rebooting themselves, so when doing these kinds of things, it’s almost impossible NOT to composite the characters, and to cherry-pick different feats and abilities and continuities, y’know? I personally think it’s well within reason to power-scale AlienX as Outerverse-level, since the Celestialsapiens originate from outside the multiverse, much like the Beyonders from Marvel. But again, it depends on interpretation. But yeah, you should DEFINITELY react to more InkTank!!! Even if you disagree with them regarding the DeathBattle, (which is fine because human-beings have rights and should be allowed to have opinions) you’d still be able to enjoy the rest of their work. The InkTank make some of the BEST fan-made content of ALL TIME!!! I suggest you start with the video “What Ruined Ben10?”, where Kuro explains his passion for Ben10, and the purpose of his awesome webcomic, titled 5 Years Later! So yeah, that’s totally worth trying out sometime! Looking forward to your future videos regardless!🙏
The problom is they used diffrent green lantrens not other versions of hal They just used completlly diffrent green lantrens Also the green lantrens are uneffected by the reboot do to their rings reflecting anti mattre
@@adam-dn3hi Touche, I see your point. The reason I thought he might be a composite was that they said he can apparently time-travel and control-minds and stuff, and I've never, ever, EVER seen or heard of any Green-Lanterns doing that on their own, especially because, in the Justice-League comics and cartoons, they always relied on The Flash and Martian-Manhunter for that stuff. Which seemed appropriate, that way each Leaguer has a specialty and isn't completely redundant, ya know? I don't think Kuro had a problem with them pulling feats from other lanterns like John Stewart and scaling them to Hal, his problem was that, at the same time, they used the same logic IN REVERSE to dismiss feats and abilities for BenTennyson. Because if you're going to count feats and abilities from other Green-Lanterns and say they're similar enough that Hal can do it too, then you'd have to give that same benefit to Ben, otherwise you're operating on a Double-Standard. If you say that the Green-Lanterns were all unaffected by the first Crisis-Reboot thanks to antimatter-shielding, well, I guess I believe you. Not entirely sure that would protect him from AlienX's reality-warping though, since his abilities aren't dependant on antimatter, and he's been calculated to be at least High Multiversal-Plus, but it's very impressive nonetheless.
As a massive, MASSIVE Ben 10 fan and someone who thinks Green Lantern is pretty lame, here's two articles that debunk almost everything you just watched and his other videos. I sadly can't post them in the comments of You tube, but you can look at for them on Deviant Art, if anyone is interested in hearing another side. "VS Talk: Redundantly Debunking Multiverse+ Alien X" "Ben Tennyson VS Hal Jordan - A Redundant Analysis" They go over how Alien X isn't really multiversal, the misconception that Hal was "composited", how the Sotobro Effect and the Failsafe works, how aliens like Toepick, Upgrade, The Worst, Ghostfreak, Big Chill, Clockwork, Chromastone, Feedback, Upchuck, and more aren't as impactful as they seem on the surface. They even use Ink Tank's videos as references. Hal even survived the Crisis on Infinite Earths, as did almost every other Green Lantern. He has very distinct memories of it. People believe Hal's feats from Pre-Crisis were unfairly pulled from, but those are, indeed, the exact same Hal Jordan. Even the failsafe isn't enough, as not only has he died/almost died from many different things before, it's also been ridiculously inconsistent, turning him into the worst possible alien for the situation, like when it turned him into Grey Matter, Nanomech, and Jerry Rig to stop a speeding train from falling off a broken track or when it turned him into Wampire to fight an monster.........in the middle of the freaking desert. And even then, it's doesn't know what a Green Lantern is, so it would have a difficult time countering everything Hal has, even if it did immediately go to Alien X. And Hal is able to just by pass it anyway. I love Ben 10. I could tell you every alien in the series, what they do, how they work, and when they showed up. And as pathetic as it sounds, for the longest time I always dreamt that the Omnitrix would fall from the sky near my house and I would be the one to wield it. But even then, I sadly have to admit that Ben simply can't win this fight. Everything he has, Hal has gone up against before. Even universe/multiversal destroyers and reality warpers like Lar Fleeze, Captain Atom, and the Anti-Moniter. Even Alien X is just another Tuesday for Hal. I understand and can agree a bit if you think Death Battle didn't do the best job at explaining why Hal won and it's okay to think they are wrong and whoever is right, but the sheer toxic and negative behavior from the people in the comments of this battle has honestly put a touch of a permanent sour spot on the entire Ben 10 franchise for me, as silly as that may sound.
He lost to Captain Atom, who was holding back. He couldn't beat the anti-monitor (at full power) alone. Hal had an amp to fight Lar Fleeze and it wasn't enough to significantly kill him. Surviving the Crises doesn't make them even remotely universal or Multiversal. All of the Post-Crises characters were the same as the pre-crisis counterparts, but special crimcuatances allowed them to remember the previous multiverse. That's happened to several characters, including powerless human ones. This later got retconned, unretconned, and changed. By the time this video came out, Convergence was a thing as awll as Rebirth so no, the feat is debunked by overall canon. Parallax Barry wasn't that much stronger than regular Barry. Being possessed by Parallax doesn't instantly make you OP, it takes time. The chronosapien time bomb was wiping out millions of universes at once and would've destroyed in Multiverse-except the singular universe, it was activated in. Atomic X isn't as powerful as Alien X, but I don't blame him for losing to a Multiversal time bomb. Also, it's confirmed that the Green Lantern's powers diminished in the new post-crisis universe meaning that the nature of the universe/multiverse can effect their powers🙄. The fee times he time traveled, when put in context, showed that it was easier to go to the future than the past and it requires a decently charged ring. Seriously, in context, most of Hal's feets don't hold up. One of Ben's aliens literally reversed the chronosapien time bomb, and it's confirmed weaker than Alien X in terms of time manipulation.
@@lucariomew365 ....being possessed by parallax DOES give you a multiversal boost, he lost to captain atom who was going all out ONLY because he has two seconds of charge when he started. And yes he's the same guy pte and post crisis, we even see lanterns CURING people of being erased by the crisis, and he's even overpowered his pre crisis self. Also no, his powers haven't diminished and he's travelled back in time plenty of times just fine. Everything you said is headcanon and disproved
@@danielwilson8604 It's literally stayed directly in the comic, in a bubble. It's not headcanon just canon (at the time). And again, the Crises thing isn't that impressive. There's always multiple people that remember each Crises and and everybody feels everybody else in for one reason or another. Even normal humans have done so.
@@lucariomew365 everybody forgot the crisis as a major plot point. It was impossible to even remember it happened unless you were somehow unchanged. And the green lantern even CURED crisis erasure and outright said "our rings protected us from the reality shift". Also no, anyone who didn't exist in the new timeline was erased, like hippolyta even though she survived that actual event. Except green lanterns, who had storylines about it. Do you mean "time travel became harder?" That's because the nature of time changed. All time travellers suffered, ironically lanterns had LESS trouble than most time travellers
@@danielwilson8604 @Daniel Wilson Earth-2 Wonder Woman, Steve Trevor, Harbinger, Psyhci Pirate, Tashana from earth-6(?), Pariah, several new gods, the Spectre, Batman, and several others. Pretty much anyone who was still alive in that weird time dimension by the end of everything remembered. And of course, the Green Lanterns. Though I might be misremembering some things though. Eventually, several characters just started remembering aspects of it on their own. This is seen in various Superman comics, flash comics, even animal man and several characters related to him (his comics are also how the Psycho Pirate reveal happened). So again, it's not as cut and dry as you claim it to be.
You should react to Why Death Battle's Animation Matters (B10 vs GL Q&A Response) where he response to the Q&A: Ben 10 VS Green Lantern | DEATH BATTLE Cast #129 video of death battle. It's as interesting as this video
The main thing i would criticize about Kuro's video is that as much as he says Death Battle does not understand Ben10, he does not understand Green Lantern that well. There are still definetley good reasons as to why Green Lantern could have/should have won the Death Battle. But ultimatley, yes, the actual Death Battle did in fact seriously misrepresent Ben10, and there is definetley good reasoning for why he could have won that Death Battle as well.
@@artslife4424 That is not what i am saying though. I am just saying that he does not understand Green Lantern that well. He may understand some parts sure, but he certainly is no expert on Green Lantern either.
Feedback has not been shown to absorb multiversal energy like even base Hal has. And Hal could just will any energy Feedback steals back into his ring. Or hell, just blitz and one-shot Feedback faster than he can even process a thought since his reaction speed and durability are utter garbage compared to Hal's.
@@Vindication1134 even so, feedback quite literally single handedly contained the Big Bang and many others point out, the omnitrix (if Ben is too slow) will automatically cycle through aliens to find the best one if he is to “die” (which he can’t)
@@dmomn9647 Yes, the big bang, which is only one universe's worth of energy. Hal has energy sufficient to destroy infinite universes. Ben has literally died on-screen to the chronosapien time bomb, a multiversal weapon that Hal is easily comparable to, which would mean none of his aliens were capable of surviving it, hence why the failsafe didn't activate. Claiming Ben can't die is not only a no limits fallacy, but one that is literally disproved in the show, and that was WITH the omnitrix that has the failsafe. It does not make Ben invincible. I really don't know why people hinge so much on the failsafe as a major factor. It has the worst track record of any ability I've ever seen in fiction. Ben has been in danger many times and it literally only saved him once, and that was during the series finale. It's simply too inconsistent to base a victory around due to how unreliable it is. But even giving Ben the benefit of the doubt, it still won't help him. Hal is faster, and none of Ben's aliens are capable of surviving his attacks.
@@dmomn9647 Bruh DC fanboys will spin anything to get their way. They can't accept there are plenty of other characters that could beat Ben, just not Hal. Ben bodies Hal full stop no matter how sooped up Hal is.
@@Vindication1134 The chronosapien timebomb ended ben *AFTER* he removed the omnitrix. Not the Biomnitrix or any other Omnitrixes from other universes. We NEVER SAW prime Ben with the omnitrix on actually being deleted by the bomb. Also surprise! The bomb's effects are reversible lol! If Ben didn't give away the Omnitrix, he would have been transformed into Clockwork and reversed it automatically lol. You DC fanboys can't think beyond surface level, can't you?
@@labronthesuperninjayasin2203 yes because many others already made a thousands of videos about green lantern, and kuro and his team is like the only few people who even talks about ben 10
Does the Omnitrix GENUINELY protect Ben, or is that more of a by product? Outside of once with Sunder with the RECALIBRATED Omnitrix, it does at least seem like the fail-safes activated whenever the Omnitrix was directly targeted, or it was a more AOE effect instead. Ben is more of a melee type in comparison to Alien X, and the best he did with Alien X with HIMSELF IN CONTROL was the black hole. In other words, Ben has a distinct LACK of experience with Alien X's powers which, when combined with a lack of knowing Green Lantern's powers and weaknesses, were what did him in. If even ONE of those was different, then Ben would win.
@@YungandRekless545 His arguments for how Ben could win without using X would only work if Hal or the ring itself just didn't bother reacting to anything. Or as if Hal wasn't significantly faster than any of Ben's aliens or the omnitrix itself.
@@theduckgoesmoo I don’t think it’d be a bad idea but you’d have to sift through a lot of videos with “Death Battle DEBUNKED” in the title that aren’t very good just to get to actual good ones that actually breakdown the arguments in the actual video, explain both characters feats and abilities, correct DB’s mistakes and can actually powerscale.
It was clearly biased, yeah I look from both points of view clearly he didn't have no information on Green lantern or his comic sources or he would have mentioned a little bit about it.
@@anthonycole2753 or maybe he just didn't know literally not everyone can keep up with the daily s*** that DC be doing, but he managed to get a few things on there and a few things actually pretty right.
@@faith4657 Then he should've committed more time to looking into how Hal's timeline, weaknesses, and powers work rather than telling hundreds of thousands of his followers several incorrect things that could easily been looked up in a 5 minute Google search.
@@anthonycole2753 you thinking that is his problem to always do that all the time, that video was just mainly to talk about Ben and how his advantages against hal was apparent not only about how because there is already more than enough things about Green lantern and hal Jordan as a whole why would he need to talk more about him. You only talked about the things that he knew was a parent or was mostly Canon before DC retconned it
Honestly like i think people just need to learn to take the L ( you don't see me crying that Thor or Kakashi lost ) Yes some matches are wrong and death battle is far from perfect but show me a verse channel that is remember unlike most verse channel that can redo fights and make changes death battle has a schedule for releases and a due date
The issues with Ben's death is the omnitrix has a fail safe. Even with cutting it off and crushing ben it could still trigger and revive ben and with hal holding the watch ben could pull a bat man slip the ring off go 4 arms and crush Hal. Or use toepick's face which can mentally scar people break Hals concentration to disrepute his powers and make a move. Like tern into upchuck and try to eat the ring the quickly tern into 4 arms or waybig
The omntrix does not have a failsafe for anything except death or pulling the watch itself off Ben's wrist, so the ending still works. Hal's ring can't be pulled off in the midst of combat. The omnitrix also cannot revive Ben, you just made up a power for him. Hal overcame Parallax, the literal embodiment of fear. Toepick can't do anything.
@@Vindication1134 Cutting an arm off can be a lethal injury. Hal starts the cut Omnitrix detects a lethal injury that could cause Ben to bleed out triggering the anti death fail-safe. the Crushing could also trigger the fail-safe. Dismemberment and crushing are not to far off from obliteration from the literal big bang. It also sort of revived Ben once, in alien force chromastone gets shattered and the omnitrix fail safe triggers pulling him back together as diamondhead. Keep in mind batman can one up Hal and slip the the ring off with out him noticing even if it's for a few moments. Hal is not flawless like the ending hal gets overconfident thinks oh i can just go back in time cut his arm off and crush him, alien x could feel him go back fallow him revive the alternate past Ben just by thinking. keep in mind alien x could create a universe or erase it by literally thinking. It also wouldn't be Ben's first time with time travel if need be Ben's friend professor paradox could show up with other Bens classic kid, AF, UA, OV10'000, reboot kid, OV 23, and Gwen 10 paradox could even go back 10 or 15 minutes even a few seconds before Hal tries the big cut and warn Ben with back up.
@@9TDF It isn't until 15 minutes of bleeding out later. By then, the omnitrix is already off Ben and can no longer help him. The omnitrix doesn't act until the moment of death, proven by how Ben is literally able to say a full sentence as the big bang is expanding in his face, and the omnitrix still does nothing until the blast is about to envelop Ben completely. The failsafe is rather irrelevant, as Hal is fast enough to simply blitz Ben with his immeasurable speed, scaling to Wally West who outran instant teleportation. When the omnitrix brought Ben back as Chromastone, that was because Diamondhead's species and chromastone's species have a special connection, which is proven by how Tetrax literally drills Chromastone out of Diamondhead, and the fact that Chromastone's head crystal is used to revive Petropia, home world of Diamondhead's species as well as the petrosapiens themselves. If Ben had been killed as any other alien, that would've been the end of him for good. That was in a non combat situation. The ring let Batman pull it off because it knew he was not a threat and simply wanted to examine it. Sinestro, who has literally been a Green Lantern before, doesn't ever try that tactic because he knows it's not that easy. Even Batman's own contingency plans for GL do not involve removing the ring. Alien X can't know Hal went back in time. If you're thinking of the Sotobro Effect, that only happens when chronosapiens manipulate time because they leave behind a ripple as a side effect for other beings to sense. This ripple does not exist outside Ben 10, and is certainly not a thing in DC. So the sotobro effect should not be considered as a real factor when putting Ben up against anyone not from his verse, unless said character is explicitly noted to leave a ripple behind when they time travel. So you want Ben to get outside help? Something that has been against the rules of Death Battle since season 1?
@@Vindication1134 Still a fail safe should trigger the moment the omnitrix detects to loss of pulse plus his arm is detached or being severed. It makes no sense the omnitrix fail-safe can handle the big bang but not Hal going 'fast'. You think Azimuth the smartest guy in 5 galaxies wouldn't consider some one going fast and trying to cut it off? Ben also has the intuition. Use alien x to rewind time to where Hal is right in front of Ben. lets say that don't work due to how Hal's time travel functions Ben could pick up on that and guesses Hal was gonna go back in time probably to before he used the omnitrix then go beck even further then Hal then surprise Hal with a nice try. Or use alien x's power to track hal Where ever or when ever he goes. Alien x could literally spawn a Hal tracking device or make a insane amount of duplicates and search where ever or when ever or delete the GL core. Time travel and take his past self home or some where safe.
@@9TDF If the omnitrix detected no pulse or heart rate, it would simply think Ben is dead and do nothing. As far as it's aware, it no longer has a wielder, so there's no reason for it to act up and do anything, which it can't do anyway because it's not connected to the rest of Ben's body, just his severed arm. A big bang is fast, but not outrunning instant teleportation fast, a speed that Hal scales to. Considering Azmuth didn't even make the omnitrix give Ben the right alien despite knowing he slams on the dial instead of just pressing it, yes, I can believe it wouldn't include a limb removal failsafe. It has not been seen, therefore it doesn't exist as far as we know. Surprise Hal with what? Existence erasure which Hal has tanked on a multiversal scale? However many clones Alien X creates, Hal can make just as many constructs of himself that are all as powerful as he is, and they can all blast the Alien X clones with a laser powerful enough to kill multiversal beings. After all, Hal killed Mandrakk, an outerversal being who damaged Cosmic Armor Superman, by putting a construct stake through his heart.
@@anthonycole2753 not nessasarily. You have to remember Alien X is considered a higher level dimensional being. Each dimension within someone's control makes them exponentially stronger
@@runner6224 sure but that doesn't mean he's as powerful as a lot of people make him out to be. Also a lot of the dimensional tiering people apply to X works under the assumption that dimensional tiering works the same way in the Ben 10 franchise as it does in marvel and DC, which it doesn't. As 26D/ outerveral, ect. It also wouldn't be an instant win against a character who has battled higher dimensional beings.
@@runner6224 this is never inherent when it comes to fiction. Which is why most battle boarding communities don’t do dimensional tiering in the first place. Even if it meant one thing, there’s plenty of examples of GLs doing harm to higher dimensional beings, even ones outside of his multiverse.
@@christianpeterson1832 They still downplayed Ben extremely. I agree that Hal Jordan could’ve won, but it wouldn’t have been a wash. He probably would’ve lost 50% of his physical form, and his ring would need serious repairs. I agree that Alien X, while pretty much impossible to beat, might be able to at least be beaten by Hal Jordan, maybe not killed though. After all, without the indecisiveness of other Celestiosapians, he’s basically invincible to damage. However, I don’t doubt that in many scenarios, Hal could shove Ben into a black hole or something. But there’s also scenarios where Ben skips the warm-up, and decides to execute Hal Jordan before he can focus hard enough to fight back. Basically, there’s a lot of ways this could’ve gone, with different winners each time, and Death Battle picked the most cruddy one.
Hey I don’t know if you will see this comment since this video is a year ago but he did a follow up video for the q and a for this death battle and he also explained why he didn’t talk about green lantern a lot since you mentioned this and answered in follow up video and I recommend you watch that video since it’s actually a fun watch
So Deathbattle does a weekly podcast and they responded to this video, the big thing is Deathbattle takes this all into account to make their decision and while that's going on its being Animated, the animators don't even know who is going to win when they start, they don't have a big budget so they also have animation limitations often using existing available sprites, I agree the battle shows the fight poorly but I agree with their outcome
Is their budget really on the small side? With the size of their platform (thus ad revenue), their merch store and the fact that all of their videos are sponsored, I would've thought they had decent funding.
@@gyver8448 yeah budgeting is an issue, mostly because of rooster teeth, custom sprites, custom models, certain assets, voice actors and the list goes on. They spend thousands alone on custom sprites
@@gyver8448 they briefly talked about on their podcast how the budgeting is what's holding them back from doing certain episodes because it's too expensive to make with what little assets they're given
The outcome of the fight was pretty wack my dude, especially when they said that Ben's omnitrix will literally stop him from dying and then use the scissors trick which has literally not worked every single time someone tries to cut off Ben's arm.
I feel like I need to put this here for... everyone. I see a lot of Green Lantern fanboys here saying that Ink Tank is saying that Ben would win just because of a bias he has as he didn't do any research into GL... but tell me, did Ink Tank at ANY point say that Ben would definitely win? Did they even imply that Ben would win in the slightest? I'll save you from checking because the answer is no. They never said who would win, they simply said that there were some things that they got wrong about the fight because DB didn't do enough research into Ben, they simply stated why certain things in the fight wouldn't happen the way they did due to stuff that Ben is capable of (like the time travel, cutting off Ben's arm, etc.). Heck, they even specifically said that they wouldn't talk about GL as they're not as knowledgeable on him and there are other videos from people that are more informed on that topic. This wasn't a video to say who would win, this was a video to say that DB got some things wrong and the fight wouldn't have happened in that exact way... they made no implication as to what the end result would be. And on that note, as somebody who has an unbiased opinion from not getting involved with either of the series... yeah, there are definitely more compelling arguments for Ben winning.
The bit with Upgrade hacking the ring quite literally ended with "I don't see why this wouldn't be an easy win". How is that not even an implication? Hell he wasn't even correct about how the Sotoboro Effect even works nor did he explain why the failsafes would stop limb removal outside of acknowledging that the failsafes exist. As someone with an unbiased opinion you sure rushed to his defense and felt the need to call anyone justifying Hal's win as "Green Lantern fanboys".
@@anthonycole2753 well we wouldn’t think you were green lantern fan boys if you weren’t always bashing this man and treating him like he was just a hater you hater and plus some of the stuff you just said on exactly right he literally just showed a Clip Ben Army getting cut off and the Watch protecting him also please explain to me how the effect works because last time I checked all he said is that it would be able to let the person know when someone else is time traveling and Alien X what they’re already time traveling abilities will be able to follow him and don’t give me that “ oh but he wouldn’t know where he’s going” he’s clearly going back in time to stop the stuff before it began that’s just obvious and I will admit he didn’t really talk about Hal speed and defenses but here’s the thing he only here to debunk death battles claims and last time I checked they never said anything about Green lantern being faster than the Omni tricks or his defenses being too much for Ben to handle
God dude, I would not waste your time with these debunk videos The results of the fight aren't explained the best but listening to Ink Tank will not help He is VERY biased towards Ben 10 and has admitted to know nothing about Green Lantern Almost all of his points have been countered by the DB Cast in an OFFICIAL Q&A video or are just high-balled nonsense. With the sheer scale and insanity of the DC universe, the outcome was perfectly logical
you mean exactly the same with hal, giving him feats from different versions, without the weaknesses of them, and not giving full credit/feats to ben? honestly, I don't care who wins, I just hate the deception, especially when it doesn't need it, likely just like said battle
@@christophermonteith2774 What other versions? Pre and post crisis Hal are the same character because the Lanterns weren’t affected by Crisis. Why would he still have a weakness to yellow when he overcame that weakness?
@@christianpeterson1832 didn't argue against the other points, huh? and for example, even if pre and post crisis is the same character, that doesn't mean, for example that injustice Hal is the same, nor would it be for any other what if, or alternate earth ones. not sure where new 52 would fall either. another point of contention, being that Hal is human, far as I know when he loses his lantern ring charge, where as ben isn't entirely, neither is capability, nor technicality, yet alien X still couldn't get him when he had to recharge the ring? animation or not, that's a pretty big glaring insult to intelligence. maybe this one is petty, but saying that which ever alien form cant do whichever given feat that Hal can do, even when its just comparing to another lantern, yet another alien could do that exact thing? and not allowing the same idea for ben, that another comparable character including another one of himself can do something yet he couldn't possibly do? for example use more than one aliens abilities at a time. not to mention surviving the crisis event(s) doesn't mean that it is the same version either. It can, but doesn't always mean that. does he have the exact same abilities and knowledge from before it that he does after it? if so, then yes, he is the same. if he doesn't, then he isn't, its that simple. a bit rantish, and my knowledge is far from complete I doubt that I'm wrong on my points.
@@christophermonteith2774 “Didn’t argue against other points, huh?” Considering how wanked Ben is by the versus community, do i need to? Idk if it’s the wording or something but I have no idea what you’re trying to say with the composite argument or injustice. The original post crisis events was somewhat of a reboot for DC but some characters like the Lanterns and Darkseid, were unaffected. New 52 sort of “unretcons” pre crisis events. The charge lasts 24 hours, sometimes shorter if it is engaged in a battle for too long or overtaxed. It only takes 10 seconds to recharge, which Hal can either: shield himself, move away to a safer location, or enter his own pocket dimension. But why would that be insulting? Hal was hit by X before he had to recharge, so he knows how hard a hit from X would be and know to concentrate harder to keep the shield up. I do 100% agree that treating the X duplicates as shadow clones and then have most of them standing around is pretty damn stupid on Death Battle’s behalf. Comparing Hal to other Lanterns is completely fair because each GL ring is the same ring and Hal has the strongest will out of them. Even “out-willing” the ring’s program placed by the guardians to kill Krona. Whereas Ben’s aliens are prime examples of their species, but not all are peaks of their species. But Hal has shown that he remembers the pre crisis events. While the eraser is happening, the Lanterns look at the aftermath. I wish i could send panels but every time i do, my comments get deleted because TH-cam considers comments w/ links to be spam.
I'm pretty sure at one point Kuro mentioned he does know about green lantern, he just didn't bring it up in the video because his feats are more well known and wanted to highlight the lesser known things about ben or something like that.
@@theduckgoesmoo There are definitely flaws with how he approaches the video: The lack of research he does on Hal along with his reasonings for how Ben could win without X completely ignoring Hal’s speed and defenses. How he talks about the Sotoboro effect doesn’t really change the out come because it only allows a time let to sense when someone else is traveling in time. Nothing in the show indicates that it’ll tell them where the other person is going or that they could get there first. Wyatts statement about Alien X being able to “Destroy multiverse in six thoughts” IS taken seriously by fans, which is why DB addressed it since they take creative team’s statements into consideration. Also Wyatts doesn’t remember making the statement anyways, so it is proven to be not serious. Duncan rouleau has also said a loooot of things that contradict what’s presented in the shows and what other Man of Action statements already exist: X’s omnipotence, the Ben 10 universe being infinite, and so on. He spends a lot more time trying to debunk the animation, even though there’s only a few points of actual merit being that X’s duplicates aren’t Shadow clones but Death Battle treated them like clones. But he takes the “Four Arms did more damage to Hal’s shield than X did” as X being presented as weaker even though you could easily argue that Hal is concentrating even more than at the beginning of the fight since he doesn’t know who Ben is or what his aliens could do =he doesn’t know what Four Arms is or how strong he is vs. he’s taken hits from X at that point already and knows how strong he is, thus he knows to make the shield stronger.
The big problems with this video are, of course, the fact that they didn't use a composite green lantern, the fact that ben has DIED on-screen, the fact that he doesn't check if any of his suggested ways ben can win would actually work and of course his lack of research into green lantern in general. He also seriously overestimates alien x
I'm not sure how you could meaningfully check the win conditions beyond what has already been done: speculative reasoning. Like the time loop example. Given that Alien X can keep reverting Hal's actions indefinitely, and given that the Lantern Rings have a limited battery that can be depleted, and given that recharging the ring is not an instantaneous process, then there must eventually be a window, however brief, where Hal is without his power. And given that without his power Hal is an ordinary human man, Alien X should be able to dispatch him in less than a second. Unless you can prove one of those assumptions false, or find some flaw in this chain of logic, what else is there to confirm? There's no experiments to conduct or anything, it's all a hypothetical thought excercise.
@@scyfrix The battery would only go out if the fight went on for a whole day. If Hal were stuck in a loop, he’d travel to before the loop started. If he did need to recharge, he could hold up a barrier, keep moving while recharging, or escape into his own pocket dimension entirely.
@@scyfrix it is, but the problem is that its lopsided reasoning. Also, in that specific instance, hal has been through that. It doesn't work because the ring works on it's own internal timeline and is capable of sending the disruption and breaking hal out under its own initiative. In fact if it wasn't than the attempt would be pointless since it'd just recharge the ring. Also, hal is not an ordinary man without his ring, he's made of green light himself.
The Sodabro effect is only for chronosapians. Prof. Paradox explain this so no watch ben would travel as a human to be undetected. Hal Jordan isn't the same species, so the Sodabro effect isn't relevant.
Not only that but Chronosapiens can't even time travel on just their own power. Maltruant had to use a time chariot and Ben has never time traveled with just his own aliens.
@@anthonycole2753no, alien x is quite literally a god, he can bend time as easy as you eat Cheetos, the sotobro effect would be sensed by a god, and even if it wasn’t, alien x is nigh-omniscient, meaning alien x knows EVERYTHING.
@@GabrielTheTyper "Quite literally a god" is a meaningless statement to ever try justifying why a character should have an ability that they never had. The sotoboro Effect is specifically said to be a ripple that is caused when Chronosapiens use their powers, not any event of time travel or time manipulation.
"Does this change it?" - No, absolutely not. None of his videos do or ever will. People who say otherwise simply don't know enough about Hal Jordan and the Green Lantern Corps, choosing only to focus on Ben 10 and incorrectly say, "Hal can't do the thing," when he most certainly can. Hal Jordan just plain wins, end of story.
@@andydurand8559 Let's be honest, Ink Tank focused on Ben not only because he's a fan of him, but because the Death Battle did not represented him properly. He literally explains that in the video.
@@despair_ts1823 Yeah that’s what I said , Ink Tank focused on Ben because he was less known than Green Lantern back then. Lots of people didn’t know his feats or much about him
@@andydurand8559 Except Hal isn’t that well known either. People are still genuinely surprised when you tell them he has powers outside of the Light constructs, has matched Kryptonians and is currently made out of Green Light himself. So yeah, he doesn’t know Hal
11:33 in a word, speed. It's like if xlr8 and stink fly had a baby because all the initial alien force aliens were basically combinations or direct upgrades of the originals
Yep, he can both fly and swim, as well as breath underwater and space. He was at one point fast enough to enter hyperspace and travel to another planet in like maybe a few minutes.
ben tanked the big bang twice and first time he didn't even know what was happening also feedback was the alien that helped him tank the big bang the second Time
Less understanding except for the one simple fact that he forgot that how is an immune to yellow anymore but that's pretty much it, he also shows feats of later incarnations him making his own ring tech-based, and specially all of their feats that he was capable of doing and also comparing it to Ben's aliens which they are already applicable of doing.
This th-cam.com/video/17ELrp2I4-g/w-d-xo.htmlsi=rhubsNsc0UxSeFIw Is a far more accurate portrayal of how the fight would go made by someone who actually took all of Ben's abilities into consideration It's also just a really good animation
No it's not lmao. Hal bodies Ben, get over it. Ink Tank is RIDICULOUSLY biased af, ironic since they claim that for DB. Ben PEAKS at universal scaling, Hal consistently bodies multiversal threats. The video you sent is a well animated battle made by a guy who just wanted to jerk off his favorite character, which is fine, but pretending anything other than X would even TOUCH Hal is genuinely comical
Your claim to a more accurate portrayal of the fight is a poll decided animation that the creator explicitly admits to using animated Hal in. Not comic book Hal.
While it was a pol, it was ironically more accurate to both the characters. DB just loves doing fisticufs and has no idea how to decide victory based on characters with hack abilities.
Ink Tank's video only proves he's a biased Ben 10 fanboy. He didn't even try to mention Green Lantern's feats. Go watch the Q & A on this Death Battle. The creators all thought Ben would win, and then they realized just how OP Hal Jordan was.
@@trappedcosmos Have you looked around for Green Lantern analysis videos? There are not many on TH-cam so Ink Tank's claim that there are "millions" of them is just a blatant lie and him being butthurt.
ben 10 can scan aliens , ben can scan doomsday and transform into him , doomsday has killed millions of green lanterns even the oan guardians coudnt defeat him.
And as we all know, outside characters can randomly appear in Death Battle this way. This would be like Ridley showing up in Samus’ Death Battle. Or Tai Lung showing up in Po’s Death Battle. And countless other examples.
Infite army of bens He done sort of that echo echo cloned himself like 7 times then all turned human their was 7 bens running around if echo echo changes back to ben or changes to a difernt alien the clones remain as echo echos clones are all unique Echo echo is living sound waves they reproduce by splitting up ben keeps control of each reproduction which is how echo echo works but each has their own mind aswell
he made three, and all of them had mental degradation and couldn't work together. echo echo also had a confirmed FINITE energy pool which draws from other omnitrix transformations, like when ditto spent too long seperated and ben's next transformation lasted a few seconds. even then, hal can target entire armies or literally an entire species.
Death Battle is a joke who do videos on characters they either don't understand or they purposely downplay them and have them do stupid things which makes no sense! Their newest vs Madara vs Aizen video they purposely downplay Aizen's ability, using "feats" from early in the series as a way to measure his abilities, which had skyrocketed by the end of Bleach.
Yeah, Hal can't stop Alien X. Even pretending Alien X couldn't do anything to Hal, which he can, Hal can't hurt Alien X and his ring WILL run out of power eventually. Where Alien X will not. They claimed Hal hurting a character called Mandrakk proved he could hurt Alien X, but looking into it he didn't ACTUALLY hurt Mandrakk. He took power from the ENTIRE Green Lantern Corp (Which was summoned to the location by a god from outside the multiverse (Which is also what Alien X is)) and he put a stake through Mandrakk's heart. This worked, because Mandrakk is a "vampire". He's a Monitor, and he went evil. The Monitors are abstract beings. They do things like eat stories, use hunter killer metaphors, concept weapons, things that don't make any sense to 3 dimensional beings like us. This Monitor's weakness is abstract, not getting hit really hard. That's why the idea that he's a vampire makes him vulnerable to a stake through the heart, provided by the entire Green lantern Corps, and sunlight. Provided by a ton of Kryptonian eye beams. This character was previously defeated by pushing him out of the multiverse, and I mean that literally the other Monitors invented a giant Superman robot to do it, and then he could not get back to the Multiverse because the people living there, forgot about him. People not remembering him was sufficient to seal him away from the Multiverse. Alien X, doesn't care what you believe, he creates what you believe. His race can freely alter any detail they wish across the entire Multiverse, which is infinite by the way. If they want to, they can also destroy all of it. They joke about it taking "Six Thoughts" and while that was a joke from the person who said it, Alien X can indeed destroy the Multiverse. The entire Multiverse actually DOES get destroyed at one point in time, an alien that can control time makes a bomb that destroys the whole multiverse. Yep. And it goes off. And nobody stops it. Then a version of Ben who never had the Omnitrix gets one, turns into an alien called a Chronosapien that can control time, which is WEAKER than Alien X, and then he just. Undoes it. An Alien weaker than Alien X being controlled by a Ben with NO experience being any aliens undoes Multiversal destruction. That's more than Hal has ever faced before, at the very least it's more than he can possibly handle alone.
....you got every single thing wrong. Again. If mandrake being a vampire was the problem, sunlight based heat vision would have worked on him and clockwork doesn't just 'undo it' he has to go and manually reboot all the timelines.
@@danielwilson8604 heat vision DID work on him. He was defeated that time by a giant stake and laser beams, which doesn't work on Alien X because he's not an abstractum. In that respect he's MORE powerful than Mandrakk. I like how you said I got "everything" wrong and then mentioned NOTHING I got wrong. Ben undid a literal crisis all on his own, yes or no? Can Hal do THAT with his supposedly omnipotent will power?
@@haku8135 ...yes. hes done it twice. During emerald twilight and rebirth. Has clockwork ever done it WITHOUT setup and thr device which erased it in the first place? And no, mandrake stood and gave a whole speech in the laser vision. Whereas any vampire that touches it is instantly killed. One even exploded when it tried to feed on superman. But hal has killed living concepts with his green light. Its what it's FOR. Also... no. Alien x is in no way anywhere near as powerful as mandraak.
@@danielwilson8604 heeeey, guess who's full of shit? Hal takes all the energy in the Central Power Battery, and when he emerges from it, he has a new costume and takes the name Parallax. This story contains NO crisis level events and Hal does not do anything of the sort like reversing multiversal destruction of his own power. What it DOES show is Hal fucking stealing ALL the power of the Green Lantern Corps because he COULDN'T RECREATE A SINGLE CITY ON HIS OWN! Wanna know who can recreate an entire universe on a whim? Alien X. Is your argument really that a novice Ben 10 reversed a CRISIS using a chronosapien device, therefore ALIEN X is weaker than a dude that couldn't fix one destroyed city on his own? Fuck off you DC fantard. I challenge you to actually PROVE Mandrakk is more powerful than Alien X. Wanna know who has lost multiple times and even died? Mandrakk. Wanna know who has never lost nor struggled for a single moment of screen time? Alien X.
@@haku8135 you are. Alien x made a universe, and didn't even fo that right. Mandraak eats universes and fought atop the entire multiverse. He also kills monitors with just the shock wave of his fight with the superman robot, and monitors can take universes exploding in their face. Emerald twilight, or more specifically zero hour had hal absorb the central battery, yes, then bring back he multuverse, creating 'perfect worlds' for every single dc character and gringind them to nothing trying to Improve them. and fighting the entire multiverse when they turn against him. Every time hal crushes one of those universes, the characters from that timeline are erased. Like the alternate batgirl that aids them. And he DID create an entire city on his own. And an entire planet, and star. In his basic training he made a universe. And guess what? Hal fought his parallax self to a standstill thanks to time travel, showing he CAN match that power. Also, considering he can access the central battery at literally any time, that's a poor argument against using it. My argument is that alien x made a universe, hal has repeatedly made MULTIVERSES. Therefore hal is stronger. Insisting on using hal holding a city u ntill his ring ran out is as dishonest as using alien x making a DAM as his limit. And scaling alien x to clockwork with outside help is pointless.
Okay, so I still more-or-less agree with Kuro’s arguments here, as well as his arguments in the follow-up video, though I admit there’s aspects of Green-Lantern lore I’m probably unaware of, so I could be missing things. I’ve mostly moved on from this DB controversy, though I’d absolutely LOVE to see a Rematch between Hal and 5YL BEN! Another thing tho; Looks like you’re getting close to the WallyWest Flash vs Archie Sonic DeathBattle… And if you just look at my current avatar, well… yeeaahh, I’ve sorta been on BOTH sides of this “DeathBattle is Wrong for siding with the DC Character” Argument, which is why I won’t judge anyone for siding with Hal, because I’ve been in those shoes before, and I’m not a soulless fanatic. I’ll never apologize for loving and hyping WallyWest, but I also can’t say for certain that the results of that fight were completely fair. But that’s another story for another time… PLEASE DON’T HATE ME!!!
Hello again! To clarify the big problem with his videos, Hal's not a composite. They actually did storyline about adjusting to life in a new universe where all your friends and family have been erased, and we even see a lantern cure someone who's body was erased by the crisis. Also, ironically, hal keeps getting upgrades too,much like he claims ben does, and nothing he outlines in this video would actually work. Plus the omnitrix isn't immune to everything, and plenty of tricks work on it in the final version
@@danielwilson8604 Fair enough, those are some good points. The reason I thought he might be a composite was that they said he can apparently time-travel and control-minds and stuff, and I've never, ever, EVER seen or heard of any Green-Lanterns doing that on their own, especially because, in the Justice-League comics and cartoons, they always relied on The Flash and Martian-Manhunter for that stuff. Which seemed appropriate, that way each Leaguer has a specialty and isn't completely redundant, ya know? If you say that the Green-Lanterns were all unaffected by the first Crisis-Reboot, well, I guess I believe you. Not entirely sure that would protect him from AlienX's reality-warping though, since he's been calculated to be at least High Multiversal-Plus, but it's very impressive nonetheless. "Also, ironically, Hal keeps getting upgrades too, much like Kuro claims Ben does, and nothing he outlines in this video would actually work..." Yeah, I was very skeptical about that Upgrade idea, because I wasn't sure what defenses the Ring might have, but I do think that, if DB had allowed Ben to use FeedBack or ChromaStone, it would have definitely given Ben more of a fighting chance, since energy-attacks and constructs are completely useless against them and only make them stronger, which neutralizes like, 80% of Hal's abilities. Plus the way they nerfed AlienX and had Ben lose to time-traveling scissors? Yeah, NO, even if Hal CAN defeat Ben and AlienX, there's just NO WAY it would happen like that. Still, I agree that some of those ideas he had for how Ben could defeat Hal were reaching. "Plus the Omnitrix isn't immune to everything, and plenty of tricks work on it in the final version..." Well, yes and no. In Omniverse, the Official Omnitrix seems to still be capable of being damaged or giving Ben the wrong alien. (there are 2 different prevailing theories as to why this is the case, one being user-error on Ben's part, because he slams the Omnitrix dial down too hard, the other being that the Omnitrix's AI will, in Ben's own words, "Always gives me the right alien, even when I want someone else..." There's yet another video where they explore that issue and try to make sense out of it.) However, once Master-Control is activated, all those glitches and drawbacks completely vanish, so depending on whether you're willing to give Ben Master-Control, those Glitches and vulnerabilities that the Omnitrix had are kind of a non-problem. But yeah, those were still some good points you made. :)
@@danielwilson8604 I guess I can hear one more round of counterpoints, though I’d also prefer that this debate doesn’t drag on for eternity. But sure, if you have one more set of counterpoints, I’m willing to hear them out.
@@HaydenStephens515 in that case, i will let it be. i think you mistunderstood some things i said and that's on me, but i don't think i could state things well enough to avoid having to make more clarifications
As in what I'm actually quite curious, because they're actually still ways that Ben could beat how especially going by the fact that his ring is tech-based upgrade is up for chance, or chroma Stone to absorb all of his energy attacks, or pixie dust who can literally trap howl in his own mind and literally torture him for days.
@@faith4657 the ring’s aren’t tech based though, they’re constructs that have tech components but the properties are closer to magic. Every matter of mental attacks has been thwarted and resisted before: fear projection, mind control, mental attacks and the ring has pulled Hal out of a full illusion.
@@christianpeterson1832 if they're more like magic why doesn't anyone claim that they are magic, they mostly just say it's mostly just tech and how it's presented is actually like technology using an emotional spectrum literally formed from technology itself is just advanced technology nothing out of the ballpark of upgrade. Mental hacks, all depends on the level and power if that may not work he still has other ways to beat them, but Pusky dust the abilities kind of different because he actually traps you in your own mind.
@@faith4657 the ring is also alive and has fought off hacking, which is the exact thing upgrade has trouble with, hal ca also absorb energy attacks and resist energy absorption.
@@danielwilson8604 you mean it has an advanced AI, but I agree not as advanced as the omnitrix, as the can still control Ben's body even tho chopped off, also his fought hacking before in what way or form. Ben can also absorb energy too, and with chromestone he can let all of Hal's constructs pass through him or out right absorb it, then fire it back, as long as he stops using energy which will be hard. He can also use ghostfreak for possession or if this is ultimate Alien watch turn to Ult big chill and absorb all the heat from his body freezing him instantly.
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The Ink Tank also has a complete chronological Ben 10 timeline video called "The ENTIRE Story of Ben 10 ILLUSTRATED [All 5 Parts]" if you want to see just how crazy the franchise became.
Oh jesus
@@theduckgoesmoo I totally recommend it.Watch the full five part video if you do though,the start is important and great.
@@theduckgoesmoo I also recomend it. It's funny, and being in chronological order in universe results in some funny moments.
@@theduckgoesmoo can you react to artistic evolution of one punch man please make a video
@@theduckgoesmoo I too recommend you watching it for a better understanding of what happens throughout the series and for being a great recap that's worth rewatching.
As someone who’s read some green lantern comics and watched Ben 10. To my knowledge the user of the ring has to be consciously thinking about the constructs they create, while the omnitrix can switch Ben instantaneously, so Hal is limited by his imagination and own brain since he’s competing with an AI and literally 1 million + aliens.
But the power ring is also aware and has even acted on its own without Hal being aware of danger.
Also it was important that they addressed Hal (without his powers) being able to fly a space shit around light speed, because the brain still has to be able to process information within that time. And that's before factoring in the fastest speeds.
@@anthonycole2753 I may be wrong about this too but I think that the ring’s AI is not as advanced as the omnitrix as I’m pretty sure the ring is only meant to protect the user from danger, not necessarily create constructs for the user or any specific action. while the omnitrix has to cycle through aliens to pick the best choice for Ben, even if Ben isn’t in danger hence the gag why he gets wrong aliens.
(I think that ring’s AI was purposely meant to be not as intelligent since the previous AIs - the man hunters rebelled against the guardians because they got too advanced.)
@@blueblood1.0 There was a time where Hal was being ambushed with a Starro to the back of his neck and the detected the ambush and constructed a shield behind Hal to stop the Starro.
I'm not so sure about the AI thing since the ring has a database within it, though it isn't always consistent (as such with DC).
@@anthonycole2753 oh thx for pointing that out! Wasn’t aware that happened tho that basically ties into another point by Ink tank In a separate vid, where Hal isn’t treated as any specific version but as an amalgamation of all his incarnations, while Ben didn’t get to use any of his alternate furure’s special abilities and also how they pointed out weaknesses that only Ben in the original series had but had outgrown in future series’s.
@@blueblood1.0 No problem. I wish I could send that panel if the ring stopping the Starro, but every time I send a link, TH-cam automatically deletes comments with links in them.
10:29 Basically,
Chromastone can resist, absorb, and refract energy off of himself like a prism. Like shooting light through a prison causes it to split off through the back. Chromastone can deflect energy, like electricity, magic, or light, off his body or absorb it and shoot his own lasers.
Feedback can use his wires to intake energy and convert it into electricity to shoot out or just fire back in general as a laser or its original form. He’s also the one the Omnitrix forced Ben to turn into the catch the Big Bang
which means he's as powerful as a green lantern foe with that exact power that green lantern killed by overloading.
@@danielwilson8604 but they never showed any upper limit to the aliens absorption
@@honeyjm8324 they've shown chromosome killed trying to take in too much, and never shown the aliens absorbing enough to match hal either
@@danielwilson8604 when did chromastone so that
@@honeyjm8324 'where the magic happens'. we've also seen chromastone shocked when wet, and he's never even come CLOSE to absorbing what hal is capable of. Plus the creators confirmed he'd be vaporised in an instant if he tried to absorb the big bang or an entire sun.
no demonstrated upper limit doesn't mean infinite capacity.
it probably wasn't intentional, but given the rules that the writers of Ben 10 themselves put in place, Ben Tennyson is basically unkillable. omnitrix failsafe to prevent him dying plus Alien X alone makes him indestructable. would he be strong enough to kill Hal Jordan? idk. but Hal can't kill Ben. and especially not with a pair of goddamn scissors.
Not to mention that the Omnitrix has been confirmed to have DNA from species even MORE POWERFUL then Celestial Sapiens (Alien X)
I’m well aware that Green-Lantern is also stupidly OP, and has likely fought and beaten several universe-level or even multiverse-level characters without temporary power-ups, so I wouldn’t rule it out COMPLETELY that he could beat Ben and even Alien-X, but I definitely agree that a LOT of DB’s reasoning, and the way they had him die in the animation, didn’t make since, and if Hal WERE to beat Alien-X there’s no way it would happen like that. I would’ve minded it less if they had given it a more believable conclusion.
Ben also has experience dealing with time/dimension travelers.
Written in plot armor
@@HaydenStephens515 That's just not true. Green lanterns have fought beings like Alien X before and the green lanterns don't stand a chance.
Alien X could easily beat hal. Beings that have complete control over reality itself are a bit above his pay grade.
Kuro actually made a follow up video called *"Why Death Battle's animation matters"* which seemingly made Death Battle rethink their policy on how they use different versions of the same character.
It really does matter and that's great that he was able to help change it
How did this make Death Battle rethink their policy on using different versions of the same character? One of their 4 rules is that in-canon material and material that supports in-canon feats like cartoon adaptations, are fair game. Kuro didn’t understand how DC continuity worked, so he assumed Hal was a composite.
@@christianpeterson1832 Except the one in DB WAS a composite of Hal.
@@UltimastrikerX it was not. Hal and other Lanterns weren’t reset by Crisis. So its literally the exact same Hal. Later on Hal recalls pre-Crisis events.
@@christianpeterson1832 if that's the case then this Hal should have retained the weakness of yellow. The one good thing about this Hal is the ability of time travel, and even then that won't serve him well - cause Ben can do the same thing too.
Now you know why I and many other fans were so outraged at that battle.
Theres a lot of possible reasons
The proble is this video is so badly researched it made everyone else angry
@@danielwilson8604
How is it badly research exactly?
Can you explain why?
@@matheusdemello2323 for starters, they didn't use a composite green lantern. Hal having the powers of his fellow lanterns unless specified otherwise (so long as he has enough will) is how his powers work in dc, and he explicitly survived the crisis events unchanged, meaning he is still the same hal through multiple universes. Among other things yes, he still can and has time travelled, including transporting the entire lanter corps to the universe before his own. Plus hal himself has not only been directly compared to the central battery in terms of power but can access it at any time he likes. A major security flaw, but one that's part of the story.
Kuro brings up a bunch of additional powers ben has, but hal has a counter or established immunity to pretty much all of them. Its.... a bit of a long story. Theres a LOT of details in this fight
@@danielwilson8604hal has no counter to instant disintegration.
"They can just blink, and we'd be gone" It doesn't matter how fast you can react if you're faced with instantaneous non-existence, and while it takes Hal time to create a construct as he has to think it up and actually make it, Ben can transform virtually instantly. They worded it as if Ben still had the time-out function or was locked in a transformation for a certain amount of time, which is wrong.
But...it does when Hal is fast enough to kill them a million times before they can finish that blink, which he can. And he's been faced with the same sort of complete erasure has and powered through. You are seriously underestimating the power of DC Characters.
“Instant” is not exact measure of time. Hal’s reaction feats and movement feats still far outweigh the onnitrix’s activation. Idk why you’d try explaining it this way.
Oh man, if 0nly he had a continuous field that had protected him from exactly that over a dozen times, just like his life mesh.
Hal can and has literally survives that in his sleep
@@christianpeterson1832 because the omnitrix can REVIVE ben after he's dead, too. Doesn't matter if it didn't activate before hal's attack.
@@ultimatetrishbhatia Only if it’s actually still attached to the user. Which it wasn’t.
Remember to watch the 2nd part/sequel.
The what
@@theduckgoesmoo it isnt needed. TLDR The Ink Tank criticizes Death Battle for using composite characters (pulling feats from different versions of the same character) as well as debunking some of the takes that the writers of Death Battle made in some sort of QnA video (I sadly dont remember what that video by the writers actually was). All in all it can be skipped.
@@theduckgoesmoo the problem is that they didn't actually use composites, and his research into green lantern is AWFUL
@@theduckgoesmoo he made a part 2 for the debunk
@@theduckgoesmoo there's a video by a youtuber called green lantern vs ben10 the honest truth or something like that and it's by a guy called "your favorite villain" on youtube.
He went back into researching both and still concluded that green lantern seriously destroys ben10 with proper research.
Inktank is a massive fanboy for ben10 so it makes sense he will defend ben10 to the death.
Fun fact: I'm the user who used to go by BlueFlamingWolf. If you don't believe me, I believe the comment is still there for you to see. The video is called how Ben wins without alien X There's also a sequel to this video where he responds to more stuff from death battle cast. I believe it's called why death battle matters. I'd love to see more ink tank videos in the future
@@elspongebobhh his Patreons get access to the videos a day early.
Yooo thats so cool!!! Haha why did you change accounts?
@@theduckgoesmoo I changed my username because at the time it was based on my pfp, which was a blue flaming wolf lol. I do it fairly regularly
@@SebasTian58323 the fact that i actually remember your name pfp lol
@@ILikeCHEEZ9 what? I commissioned my pfp for my D&D character lol unless you're talking about The one I had before
Nice. Wasn't anticipating you reacting to this so soon.
Hope you can understand why people have such a negative reaction towards the death Battle now and why they felt it didn't do Ben justice.
I tried to do it as fast as I could
@@theduckgoesmoo that’s cool man. Ink Tank has many more informative videos like this but they mostly centre around Ben Ten since he is creating his em comic line featuring the characters.
Nevertheless, glad you enjoyed this video 👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾
@@theduckgoesmoo can you react to artistic evolution of one punch man please make a video about it please don't let me go on a another day and I don't know what to do with out the
I never thought I would see the day where you react to Ben 10 stuff but here we are! I hope you keep doing more!
Honestly i wouldn't mind him reacting to the whole series, granted the death battle and this have spoiled some things already, but.
Yeah Ink Tank is a great channel! These aren't some of my favorites but there's some great ones there If you're interested in Ben 10.
Here's a fun thing: He's actually currently doing a restrospective analysis on every single Ben 10 episode, and the original series is already finished.
I really would like you to see the timeline video. Specifically the one with every part due to special guest stars. Overall I think you would love the series in its entirety.
If i had to recommend one of Ink Tank's videos, i think the first one is just all of Ben 10's aliens ranked from how powerful they are, which he goes into full detail including them in ranks like average human strong to Universe busters
you can guess who is Universe is.
Albedo worked for the creator of the Omnitrix and he Has his Own Omnitrix , but he's trapped in the body of a Human, and since His Omnitrix is synchronized with Ben's Omnitrix , he's become a genetic duplicate of Ben , only with white hair and red clothing instead of green.
that really doesnt explain the clothing, but the hair and eyes make sense
@@l0sts0ul89 The Omnitrix can create clothing and other things to assist the transformation, like NRG's Armor .
So it makes sense the Omnitrix can alter the clothes of a Human Transformation too , like Albedo
@@hellkaiser64 just seems a bit odd when all of the equipment Ben scans doesn't change color, like NRGs suit or... other animals. Unlike the OG series and Omniverse Ben's clothes gets transforms to since thier clothes are respectively White and Black to Green
@@l0sts0ul89 Maybe because when one is color blind, they see Green as Red and vice versa
If you’re interested in watching more Ink Tank videos and if you’re interested in knowing more about Ben 10, then i recommend checking out The Ink Tank’s Ben 10 Breakdowns series, it might give you to much info on all of the episodes, but it can give you a general idea about what those Episodes is about.
(This is not my "insert day of asking" comment)
A couple more videos id recommend are his "why ben 10 beats goku, superman, and pretty mich anyone" video, and his ben 10 timeline video of ben 10 which is in 5 parts
I am a huge fan of the show and im pretty sure more people are now gonna start wanting you to do ben 10 content
Yes they are...
Yep. Man that was interesting. Thank you for the video it was cool. Nice video to watch in my birthday.
Ayyyy happy birthday!! 🎉
“Game!?”
Yes. Multiple actually.
there were plenty of previous Death Battles that I have disagreed with the results of but even the ones that I knew were wrong I could at least see some reasoning in how someone might come to a different conclusion, Ben 10 Vs Green Lantern was the one that I really couldn't find an excuse for, even within their own video they mention multiple reasons why Ben wins yet somehow they made GL win off of reasons that don't make sense. If your main point for victory is that they can travel back in time at least don't make them be fighting someone who can do it too
When has been ever time traveled?
@@anthonycole2753 when has ben time traveled??? seriously?? he does it like at least once every season, from original ben 10 into omniverse, could be though one of his aliens (multiple can), from others like gwen or professor paradox, or from tech like the time bike things in omniverse.
not only does he have additional defense against it he'll even know when it happens with the sodabro effect, basically since he done it so much he's aware when others do it
@@icebergwalrus7775 Ben's never time traveled on his own. We've only seen him use X and Clockwork to manipulate time not travel through it.
The Sotoboro Effect doesn't sense time travel, Ben's future self tells Ben that it its the ripple caused by Chronosapiens using their powers and that's what they're able to feel for. Not any random anomaly regarding time travel or time manipulation.
There was a whole season about it. He even has Clockwork an alien who's whole premise is time manipulation. @anthonycole2753
@@shinon748 time manipulation isn't the same as time travel
didnt want to animate a big attack? watch darkside vs thanos, goku vs super, man broly vs doomsday, broly vs hulk, they can animate big attacks
@theduckgoesmoo You should do the follow up to this which is debunking Death Battle's Q&A for Green Lantern vs Ben 10 it goes even more into detail on how they screwed over Ben.
A response is not automatically a debunk. Especially since he’s very much wrong about compositing.
@@christianpeterson1832 okay and he's wrong about compositing but that is in the end of Bill the discussion is still itself, it also has a title there that literally says debunk. And talks alot about what Ben could do and what these guys missed.
“A response is not automatically a debunk” ergo having a response doesn’t mean you’ve actually debunked the argument was well deconstructed and explained why the points made were incorrect.
Ben had everything in his stand arsenal and Kuro insisted they didn’t give him this when they did.
@@christianpeterson1832 not really, didn't use his best aliens even tho they mentioned them, didn't follow through with the lore of his arm and him been protected by the watch like you can't just sit here and claim they gave Ben everything.
@@faith4657 “didn’t use his best aliens”? Alien X is his best though. Nothing else would’ve bothered changing the outcome. Adding them in would just make Ben’s non Alien-X transformations more relevant.
inktank has many cool videos to react to. and beyond (series of documentary style exploration of the world of 5yl [ben 10/danny phantom fancomic by inktank]), the old trace the border series, Freeze Frame series.
Oh yeah I think yiu should do more Ink Tank videos he's a really great creator I definitely recommend the Homeworlds and Beyond series from him
Does Green Landern technically have infinite power since his will power was able to face all will power which would include himself🤨
So technically he could do whatever and counter counters?
Still can’t do anything to x
@@MrMonkey2475 Sure but the blind thing technically means he’s able to do anything if he just believes in himself, which I think is the angle Death Battle saw.
@@elisanchez1938 x can’t be killed, it’s his thing. Death battle was wrong
@@MrMonkey2475 ok it was just how I felt Death Battle saw the overall power of the Green Lantern Ring
He doesn't have infinite power since his ring needs to recharge. His also limited by his imagination, since he has to visualise the things he uses to win.
He would need to know what a Chronosapien timebomb is, how it works and then have the time to make it and then there's the question of whether the gl ring can even replicate such a device in the first place. 😐
you should probably react to the story of ben 10 from The ink tank to understand everything important
or just watch all of the shows besides the reboot
Yea, I would like to see more of your reaction to ben 10 stuff from Inktank.
Like the power scale of ben's aliens or the entire story of ben 10. ( either has 5 parts or the mashed together version)
Hey Kyle, I have a versus show suggestion for you. It is called smash bracket. The premise is that everyone in smash has to fight, and it acts like an elimination tournament. The animation is really good, some even better than some death battles.
Cap
I think he knows about it but I'm not sure when he's gonna watch that
It's definitely on my radar
Yeah, Death Battle is fun to watch, but because they only have a month to 3 weeks do research and animate the video before it's first trailer comes out, it's a given that they will mess up on characters with extremely heavy and pretzeled lore.
Why do they give themselves such a time constraint?
@@theduckgoesmoo Why does any job do that? Deadlines need to be met, it's rare to delay a deadline.
It's also rare that the product becomes better because of the delay, hype Sonic 2 trailer because of Sonic 1 delay for remodel of Sonic.
@@theduckgoesmoo because Rooster Teeth
I agree with the Ink Tank 100%.
Green Lantern does win Death Battle just explained it horribly
Maybe if they brought up the more relevant reasons for Hals win there would be less backlash but they just didn't do that
Actually, did you watch the Q&A section on this DB? The writer went hardcore fanboy and denied Ben feats he actually performed while giving excuse after excuse for Hal to do things other Green Lanterns have done.
@@RedDragonForce2 damn why would he denied Ben Singers feats
That's messed up
@@greyjulius9057 LOLZ!!
or use composite ben and composite hal, at least. use wanked versions of both, or select a particular version of each, with the feats for that particular one?
@@christophermonteith2774 trick is, even base teenage Ben 10 in Omniverse has enough hacks and feats to beat out most Hal Jordans.
Remember to watch ink tanks video called "why ben 10 can beat goku, superman and pretty much everyone"
The Omnitrix has already protected Ben from someone trying to cut his arm off to steal the Omnitrix, an alien bounty hunter tried it
So you think being separated from the Omnitrix along with lacking an arm and being sent to a dangerous pocket dimension was the work of the Omnitrix? Seriously?
@@justinalicea1590
The "Axe" while considered a weapon, didn't actually cut anything. It just sent Ben to the Null Void. The fact Ben could still transform meant that the Omnitrix was not cut off from him. Also the Omnitrix didn't react because it didn't consider the axe a danger, meaning it was technically not a weapon.
Sunder never cut anything and in the end Ben's hand was reunited with his body without any adverse effects.
Hal did try to cut it and the animation showed blood. If that was his will then the Omnitrix would have reacted and tried to stop it.
If the fight ended with Hal's will overpowering the Omnitrix self-defense system, it could have technically worked out okay, except that's not possible either since the Omnitrix woule have turned Ben into Alien X from the start and we know Hal had no way to beat that, which is why he timetravelled in the first place.
@@Wendeta-hq2cp So the Omnitrix chose not to react, yet that is supposed to be evidence that it would react to limb removal? Please show actual evidence of it reacting to limb removal.
And no, if you watched the final analysis, Hal can totally beat it. They only did the time travel solution for the animation because they didn't want to do another explosion death. Which apparently was the right decision, since the comments would have gotten exponentially worse if these supposed fans saw their "precious omnipotent god" die on screen.
@@justinalicea1590
There are no instances of limb removal shown on screen and only was actually hinted at unfortunatelly.
What we do know however is that other attempts at actually removing the omnitrix by force or ripping Ben's arm off resulted in:
A. The attempt failing
B. The villain being blown away by the omnitrix
C. The Omnitrix transforming Ben to save him
Also let's not forget the following: Ben's Omnitrix is fused to his DNA and master control *which was on during the fight* means Ben can still transform even *if* his arm was cut.
So no, your mood rings can't beat Level 20 so complex it can store the dna of the entire universe and more.
Also no Alien X is omnipotent and immortal.
@@justinalicea1590
Please do try again though. I love making Hal fanboys eat dirt! XD
There are plenty of othet DC character that could beat and even end Ben, just not Hal.
Death battle between ganondorf vs Dracula doesn't have spoilers I believe so
Yeah, off the bat since he doesn't know about Hal Jordan a lot of his arguments are flawed. If you really want to see this debunk video, I do recommend watching "Q&A: Ben 10 VS Green Lantern | DEATH BATTLE Cast #129" where a lot of the arguments made were debunked because the researcher knows both sides of the argument.
He kinda made a video that debunked the Q&A too
@@YungandRekless545 Yes he did. And none of them were actual debunks.
@@YungandRekless545 a response is not automatically a debunk.
Dude. I suggest reacting to the Ink Tank “And Beyond” series. It’s like a sci fi documentary.
A lot of it comes down to interpretation I think, and what things you choose to accept as canon. Both DC and Ben10 are constantly retconning and rebooting themselves, so when doing these kinds of things, it’s almost impossible NOT to composite the characters, and to cherry-pick different feats and abilities and continuities, y’know?
I personally think it’s well within reason to power-scale AlienX as Outerverse-level, since the Celestialsapiens originate from outside the multiverse, much like the Beyonders from Marvel. But again, it depends on interpretation.
But yeah, you should DEFINITELY react to more InkTank!!! Even if you disagree with them regarding the DeathBattle, (which is fine because human-beings have rights and should be allowed to have opinions) you’d still be able to enjoy the rest of their work. The InkTank make some of the BEST fan-made content of ALL TIME!!!
I suggest you start with the video “What Ruined Ben10?”, where Kuro explains his passion for Ben10, and the purpose of his awesome webcomic, titled 5 Years Later!
So yeah, that’s totally worth trying out sometime! Looking forward to your future videos regardless!🙏
Thats fair! I'm definitely going to try to do more of these
The problom is they used diffrent green lantrens not other versions of hal
They just used completlly diffrent green lantrens
Also the green lantrens are uneffected by the reboot do to their rings reflecting anti mattre
@@adam-dn3hi
Touche, I see your point.
The reason I thought he might be a composite was that they said he can apparently time-travel and control-minds and stuff, and I've never, ever, EVER seen or heard of any Green-Lanterns doing that on their own, especially because, in the Justice-League comics and cartoons, they always relied on The Flash and Martian-Manhunter for that stuff. Which seemed appropriate, that way each Leaguer has a specialty and isn't completely redundant, ya know?
I don't think Kuro had a problem with them pulling feats from other lanterns like John Stewart and scaling them to Hal, his problem was that, at the same time, they used the same logic IN REVERSE to dismiss feats and abilities for BenTennyson. Because if you're going to count feats and abilities from other Green-Lanterns and say they're similar enough that Hal can do it too, then you'd have to give that same benefit to Ben, otherwise you're operating on a Double-Standard.
If you say that the Green-Lanterns were all unaffected by the first Crisis-Reboot thanks to antimatter-shielding, well, I guess I believe you. Not entirely sure that would protect him from AlienX's reality-warping though, since his abilities aren't dependant on antimatter, and he's been calculated to be at least High Multiversal-Plus, but it's very impressive nonetheless.
@@HaydenStephens515 oh i wasnt saying hal would be protected from alien x no alien x would beat his ass to oblivion
@@HaydenStephens515
"I've never, ever, EVER seen or heard of any Green-Lanterns doing that on their own"
Thats kind of a dumb argument,
As a massive, MASSIVE Ben 10 fan and someone who thinks Green Lantern is pretty lame, here's two articles that debunk almost everything you just watched and his other videos.
I sadly can't post them in the comments of You tube, but you can look at for them on Deviant Art, if anyone is interested in hearing another side.
"VS Talk: Redundantly Debunking Multiverse+ Alien X"
"Ben Tennyson VS Hal Jordan - A Redundant Analysis"
They go over how Alien X isn't really multiversal, the misconception that Hal was "composited", how the Sotobro Effect and the Failsafe works, how aliens like Toepick, Upgrade, The Worst, Ghostfreak, Big Chill, Clockwork, Chromastone, Feedback, Upchuck, and more aren't as impactful as they seem on the surface. They even use Ink Tank's videos as references.
Hal even survived the Crisis on Infinite Earths, as did almost every other Green Lantern. He has very distinct memories of it. People believe Hal's feats from Pre-Crisis were unfairly pulled from, but those are, indeed, the exact same Hal Jordan.
Even the failsafe isn't enough, as not only has he died/almost died from many different things before, it's also been ridiculously inconsistent, turning him into the worst possible alien for the situation, like when it turned him into Grey Matter, Nanomech, and Jerry Rig to stop a speeding train from falling off a broken track or when it turned him into Wampire to fight an monster.........in the middle of the freaking desert. And even then, it's doesn't know what a Green Lantern is, so it would have a difficult time countering everything Hal has, even if it did immediately go to Alien X. And Hal is able to just by pass it anyway.
I love Ben 10. I could tell you every alien in the series, what they do, how they work, and when they showed up. And as pathetic as it sounds, for the longest time I always dreamt that the Omnitrix would fall from the sky near my house and I would be the one to wield it.
But even then, I sadly have to admit that Ben simply can't win this fight. Everything he has, Hal has gone up against before. Even universe/multiversal destroyers and reality warpers like Lar Fleeze, Captain Atom, and the Anti-Moniter.
Even Alien X is just another Tuesday for Hal.
I understand and can agree a bit if you think Death Battle didn't do the best job at explaining why Hal won and it's okay to think they are wrong and whoever is right, but the sheer toxic and negative behavior from the people in the comments of this battle has honestly put a touch of a permanent sour spot on the entire Ben 10 franchise for me, as silly as that may sound.
He lost to Captain Atom, who was holding back. He couldn't beat the anti-monitor (at full power) alone. Hal had an amp to fight Lar Fleeze and it wasn't enough to significantly kill him.
Surviving the Crises doesn't make them even remotely universal or Multiversal. All of the Post-Crises characters were the same as the pre-crisis counterparts, but special crimcuatances allowed them to remember the previous multiverse. That's happened to several characters, including powerless human ones. This later got retconned, unretconned, and changed. By the time this video came out, Convergence was a thing as awll as Rebirth so no, the feat is debunked by overall canon. Parallax Barry wasn't that much stronger than regular Barry. Being possessed by Parallax doesn't instantly make you OP, it takes time.
The chronosapien time bomb was wiping out millions of universes at once and would've destroyed in Multiverse-except the singular universe, it was activated in. Atomic X isn't as powerful as Alien X, but I don't blame him for losing to a Multiversal time bomb. Also, it's confirmed that the Green Lantern's powers diminished in the new post-crisis universe meaning that the nature of the universe/multiverse can effect their powers🙄. The fee times he time traveled, when put in context, showed that it was easier to go to the future than the past and it requires a decently charged ring. Seriously, in context, most of Hal's feets don't hold up.
One of Ben's aliens literally reversed the chronosapien time bomb, and it's confirmed weaker than Alien X in terms of time manipulation.
@@lucariomew365 ....being possessed by parallax DOES give you a multiversal boost, he lost to captain atom who was going all out ONLY because he has two seconds of charge when he started.
And yes he's the same guy pte and post crisis, we even see lanterns CURING people of being erased by the crisis, and he's even overpowered his pre crisis self. Also no, his powers haven't diminished and he's travelled back in time plenty of times just fine. Everything you said is headcanon and disproved
@@danielwilson8604 It's literally stayed directly in the comic, in a bubble. It's not headcanon just canon (at the time).
And again, the Crises thing isn't that impressive. There's always multiple people that remember each Crises and and everybody feels everybody else in for one reason or another. Even normal humans have done so.
@@lucariomew365 everybody forgot the crisis as a major plot point. It was impossible to even remember it happened unless you were somehow unchanged. And the green lantern even CURED crisis erasure and outright said "our rings protected us from the reality shift". Also no, anyone who didn't exist in the new timeline was erased, like hippolyta even though she survived that actual event. Except green lanterns, who had storylines about it.
Do you mean "time travel became harder?" That's because the nature of time changed. All time travellers suffered, ironically lanterns had LESS trouble than most time travellers
@@danielwilson8604 @Daniel Wilson Earth-2 Wonder Woman, Steve Trevor, Harbinger, Psyhci Pirate, Tashana from earth-6(?), Pariah, several new gods, the Spectre, Batman, and several others. Pretty much anyone who was still alive in that weird time dimension by the end of everything remembered. And of course, the Green Lanterns. Though I might be misremembering some things though. Eventually, several characters just started remembering aspects of it on their own. This is seen in various Superman comics, flash comics, even animal man and several characters related to him (his comics are also how the Psycho Pirate reveal happened).
So again, it's not as cut and dry as you claim it to be.
Please do reaction to Epithet Erased. It's a phenomenal project that needs more time in the spotlight
no cap
I haven't heard of anyone talk about EE!! Its such a good underrated series!!
It's definitely in the plans
@@theduckgoesmoo pog
You should react to Why Death Battle's Animation Matters (B10 vs GL Q&A Response) where he response to the Q&A: Ben 10 VS Green Lantern | DEATH BATTLE Cast #129 video of death battle. It's as interesting as this video
The main thing i would criticize about Kuro's video is that as much as he says Death Battle does not understand Ben10, he does not understand Green Lantern that well.
There are still definetley good reasons as to why Green Lantern could have/should have won the Death Battle.
But ultimatley, yes, the actual Death Battle did in fact seriously misrepresent Ben10, and there is definetley good reasoning for why he could have won that Death Battle as well.
Just because someone is biased, doesn't mean they are full of hot air
@@artslife4424 That is not what i am saying though. I am just saying that he does not understand Green Lantern that well. He may understand some parts sure, but he certainly is no expert on Green Lantern either.
@@TheJeSTeR7530 I know that.
@@artslife4424 No, but it definitely means their susceptible to head canon and confirmation biases.
I honestly don’t think they take those battles seriously, maybe some but I honestly believe it’s just for fun
Even if it was white lantern Hal Jordan, Feedback bodies
Feedback has not been shown to absorb multiversal energy like even base Hal has. And Hal could just will any energy Feedback steals back into his ring. Or hell, just blitz and one-shot Feedback faster than he can even process a thought since his reaction speed and durability are utter garbage compared to Hal's.
@@Vindication1134 even so, feedback quite literally single handedly contained the Big Bang and many others point out, the omnitrix (if Ben is too slow) will automatically cycle through aliens to find the best one if he is to “die” (which he can’t)
@@dmomn9647 Yes, the big bang, which is only one universe's worth of energy. Hal has energy sufficient to destroy infinite universes.
Ben has literally died on-screen to the chronosapien time bomb, a multiversal weapon that Hal is easily comparable to, which would mean none of his aliens were capable of surviving it, hence why the failsafe didn't activate. Claiming Ben can't die is not only a no limits fallacy, but one that is literally disproved in the show, and that was WITH the omnitrix that has the failsafe. It does not make Ben invincible.
I really don't know why people hinge so much on the failsafe as a major factor. It has the worst track record of any ability I've ever seen in fiction. Ben has been in danger many times and it literally only saved him once, and that was during the series finale. It's simply too inconsistent to base a victory around due to how unreliable it is. But even giving Ben the benefit of the doubt, it still won't help him. Hal is faster, and none of Ben's aliens are capable of surviving his attacks.
@@dmomn9647
Bruh DC fanboys will spin anything to get their way. They can't accept there are plenty of other characters that could beat Ben, just not Hal.
Ben bodies Hal full stop no matter how sooped up Hal is.
@@Vindication1134
The chronosapien timebomb ended ben *AFTER* he removed the omnitrix. Not the Biomnitrix or any other Omnitrixes from other universes.
We NEVER SAW prime Ben with the omnitrix on actually being deleted by the bomb.
Also surprise! The bomb's effects are reversible lol!
If Ben didn't give away the Omnitrix, he would have been transformed into Clockwork and reversed it automatically lol.
You DC fanboys can't think beyond surface level, can't you?
Yay Ink Tank, setting things straight 😁
Not really he didn't even search up green lantern for anything, because he's bias
He even changed his mind on some of his opinions later
@@labronthesuperninjayasin2203 yes because many others already made a thousands of videos about green lantern, and kuro and his team is like the only few people who even talks about ben 10
You typed up this comment. Hit send. And didn’t feel any shame in it?
@@lawrencevalero8111 If there are thousands of videos already talking about GL, Kuro must not have watched a single one.
Does the Omnitrix GENUINELY protect Ben, or is that more of a by product? Outside of once with Sunder with the RECALIBRATED Omnitrix, it does at least seem like the fail-safes activated whenever the Omnitrix was directly targeted, or it was a more AOE effect instead.
Ben is more of a melee type in comparison to Alien X, and the best he did with Alien X with HIMSELF IN CONTROL was the black hole. In other words, Ben has a distinct LACK of experience with Alien X's powers which, when combined with a lack of knowing Green Lantern's powers and weaknesses, were what did him in. If even ONE of those was different, then Ben would win.
Reverse that, the watch saved Ben and by proxy saves itself
Read the title.
No not really. Just that people really really don't read comics.
Yeah, he made a follow up video for people that still can't accept that Hal was outmatched
Imagine knowing how to read....
@@YungandRekless545 His arguments for how Ben could win without using X would only work if Hal or the ring itself just didn't bother reacting to anything. Or as if Hal wasn't significantly faster than any of Ben's aliens or the omnitrix itself.
You should do more Kuro/Ink Tank reactions too
I'm going to try to!
Uhhh can debunk Videos be a series? :3
Ohhh lord..... I'll think about what I can do
@@theduckgoesmoo I don’t think it’d be a bad idea but you’d have to sift through a lot of videos with “Death Battle DEBUNKED” in the title that aren’t very good just to get to actual good ones that actually breakdown the arguments in the actual video, explain both characters feats and abilities, correct DB’s mistakes and can actually powerscale.
Naruto vs Ichigo and a future match up are ones were the debunk is interesting
It was clearly biased, yeah I look from both points of view clearly he didn't have no information on Green lantern or his comic sources or he would have mentioned a little bit about it.
Watch the sequel to this video, he talks about that
@@spectraphantom5870 And he continued to get several things about Hal completely wrong.
@@anthonycole2753 or maybe he just didn't know literally not everyone can keep up with the daily s*** that DC be doing, but he managed to get a few things on there and a few things actually pretty right.
@@faith4657 Then he should've committed more time to looking into how Hal's timeline, weaknesses, and powers work rather than telling hundreds of thousands of his followers several incorrect things that could easily been looked up in a 5 minute Google search.
@@anthonycole2753 you thinking that is his problem to always do that all the time, that video was just mainly to talk about Ben and how his advantages against hal was apparent not only about how because there is already more than enough things about Green lantern and hal Jordan as a whole why would he need to talk more about him. You only talked about the things that he knew was a parent or was mostly Canon before DC retconned it
Honestly like i think people just need to learn to take the L ( you don't see me crying that Thor or Kakashi lost )
Yes some matches are wrong and death battle is far from perfect but show me a verse channel that is remember unlike most verse channel that can redo fights and make changes death battle has a schedule for releases and a due date
The issues with Ben's death is the omnitrix has a fail safe.
Even with cutting it off and crushing ben it could still trigger and revive ben and with hal holding the watch ben could pull a bat man slip the ring off go 4 arms and crush Hal.
Or use toepick's face which can mentally scar people break Hals concentration to disrepute his powers and make a move. Like tern into upchuck and try to eat the ring the quickly tern into 4 arms or waybig
The omntrix does not have a failsafe for anything except death or pulling the watch itself off Ben's wrist, so the ending still works.
Hal's ring can't be pulled off in the midst of combat. The omnitrix also cannot revive Ben, you just made up a power for him.
Hal overcame Parallax, the literal embodiment of fear. Toepick can't do anything.
@@Vindication1134 Cutting an arm off can be a lethal injury.
Hal starts the cut Omnitrix detects a lethal injury that could cause Ben to bleed out triggering the anti death fail-safe. the Crushing could also trigger the fail-safe.
Dismemberment and crushing are not to far off from obliteration from the literal big bang.
It also sort of revived Ben once, in alien force chromastone gets shattered and the omnitrix fail safe triggers pulling him back together as diamondhead.
Keep in mind batman can one up Hal and slip the the ring off with out him noticing even if it's for a few moments.
Hal is not flawless like the ending hal gets overconfident thinks oh i can just go back in time cut his arm off and crush him, alien x could feel him go back fallow him revive the alternate past Ben just by thinking. keep in mind alien x could create a universe or erase it by literally thinking. It also wouldn't be Ben's first time with time travel if need be Ben's friend professor paradox could show up with other Bens classic kid, AF, UA, OV10'000, reboot kid, OV 23, and Gwen 10 paradox could even go back 10 or 15 minutes even a few seconds before Hal tries the big cut and warn Ben with back up.
@@9TDF It isn't until 15 minutes of bleeding out later. By then, the omnitrix is already off Ben and can no longer help him. The omnitrix doesn't act until the moment of death, proven by how Ben is literally able to say a full sentence as the big bang is expanding in his face, and the omnitrix still does nothing until the blast is about to envelop Ben completely. The failsafe is rather irrelevant, as Hal is fast enough to simply blitz Ben with his immeasurable speed, scaling to Wally West who outran instant teleportation.
When the omnitrix brought Ben back as Chromastone, that was because Diamondhead's species and chromastone's species have a special connection, which is proven by how Tetrax literally drills Chromastone out of Diamondhead, and the fact that Chromastone's head crystal is used to revive Petropia, home world of Diamondhead's species as well as the petrosapiens themselves. If Ben had been killed as any other alien, that would've been the end of him for good.
That was in a non combat situation. The ring let Batman pull it off because it knew he was not a threat and simply wanted to examine it. Sinestro, who has literally been a Green Lantern before, doesn't ever try that tactic because he knows it's not that easy. Even Batman's own contingency plans for GL do not involve removing the ring.
Alien X can't know Hal went back in time. If you're thinking of the Sotobro Effect, that only happens when chronosapiens manipulate time because they leave behind a ripple as a side effect for other beings to sense. This ripple does not exist outside Ben 10, and is certainly not a thing in DC. So the sotobro effect should not be considered as a real factor when putting Ben up against anyone not from his verse, unless said character is explicitly noted to leave a ripple behind when they time travel.
So you want Ben to get outside help? Something that has been against the rules of Death Battle since season 1?
@@Vindication1134
Still a fail safe should trigger the moment the omnitrix detects to loss of pulse plus his arm is detached or being severed.
It makes no sense the omnitrix fail-safe can handle the big bang but not Hal going 'fast'. You think Azimuth the smartest guy in 5 galaxies wouldn't consider some one going fast and trying to cut it off?
Ben also has the intuition.
Use alien x to rewind time to where Hal is right in front of Ben. lets say that don't work due to how Hal's time travel functions Ben could pick up on that and guesses Hal was gonna go back in time probably to before he used the omnitrix then go beck even further then Hal then surprise Hal with a nice try.
Or use alien x's power to track hal Where ever or when ever he goes. Alien x could literally spawn a Hal tracking device or make a insane amount of duplicates and search where ever or when ever or delete the GL core. Time travel and take his past self home or some where safe.
@@9TDF If the omnitrix detected no pulse or heart rate, it would simply think Ben is dead and do nothing. As far as it's aware, it no longer has a wielder, so there's no reason for it to act up and do anything, which it can't do anyway because it's not connected to the rest of Ben's body, just his severed arm.
A big bang is fast, but not outrunning instant teleportation fast, a speed that Hal scales to.
Considering Azmuth didn't even make the omnitrix give Ben the right alien despite knowing he slams on the dial instead of just pressing it, yes, I can believe it wouldn't include a limb removal failsafe. It has not been seen, therefore it doesn't exist as far as we know.
Surprise Hal with what? Existence erasure which Hal has tanked on a multiversal scale?
However many clones Alien X creates, Hal can make just as many constructs of himself that are all as powerful as he is, and they can all blast the Alien X clones with a laser powerful enough to kill multiversal beings. After all, Hal killed Mandrakk, an outerversal being who damaged Cosmic Armor Superman, by putting a construct stake through his heart.
Watch more Ink Tank Videos... please
I loved both the characters, but even I still believe Ben had Hal beat dead to rights. But I agree just how badly they downplayed Alien X
They really didn't though. X is always places above what he's shown to be and what the creative teams are placing him.
@@anthonycole2753 not nessasarily. You have to remember Alien X is considered a higher level dimensional being. Each dimension within someone's control makes them exponentially stronger
@@runner6224 sure but that doesn't mean he's as powerful as a lot of people make him out to be. Also a lot of the dimensional tiering people apply to X works under the assumption that dimensional tiering works the same way in the Ben 10 franchise as it does in marvel and DC, which it doesn't. As 26D/ outerveral, ect. It also wouldn't be an instant win against a character who has battled higher dimensional beings.
@@runner6224 this is never inherent when it comes to fiction. Which is why most battle boarding communities don’t do dimensional tiering in the first place. Even if it meant one thing, there’s plenty of examples of GLs doing harm to higher dimensional beings, even ones outside of his multiverse.
@@christianpeterson1832 They still downplayed Ben extremely. I agree that Hal Jordan could’ve won, but it wouldn’t have been a wash. He probably would’ve lost 50% of his physical form, and his ring would need serious repairs. I agree that Alien X, while pretty much impossible to beat, might be able to at least be beaten by Hal Jordan, maybe not killed though. After all, without the indecisiveness of other Celestiosapians, he’s basically invincible to damage. However, I don’t doubt that in many scenarios, Hal could shove Ben into a black hole or something. But there’s also scenarios where Ben skips the warm-up, and decides to execute Hal Jordan before he can focus hard enough to fight back. Basically, there’s a lot of ways this could’ve gone, with different winners each time, and Death Battle picked the most cruddy one.
Will he respond to this comment?
I think
Yeah Kuro is the Ben Ten guy on TH-cam, he also makes a Ben Ten fan comic titled 10 Years Later.
The comic is called 5 years later, and it's a crossover with Danny Phantom as well
@@SebasTian58323 It thought it was either 5 or ten years later, but I wasn’t sure which.
Can you watch one of Ink tanks videos, one about what he can and can't turn into?
Hey I don’t know if you will see this comment since this video is a year ago but he did a follow up video for the q and a for this death battle and he also explained why he didn’t talk about green lantern a lot since you mentioned this and answered in follow up video and I recommend you watch that video since it’s actually a fun watch
Btw I just found your channel seems fun I might sub
Despite what tre debrunk say, Green Lantern still wins. Mainly becose he is faster then Ben 10.
Did someone mention speed??
He’s just to fast for Ben
@@Crashboy757 Alien X: Xddd
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So Deathbattle does a weekly podcast and they responded to this video, the big thing is Deathbattle takes this all into account to make their decision and while that's going on its being Animated, the animators don't even know who is going to win when they start, they don't have a big budget so they also have animation limitations often using existing available sprites, I agree the battle shows the fight poorly but I agree with their outcome
Is their budget really on the small side? With the size of their platform (thus ad revenue), their merch store and the fact that all of their videos are sponsored, I would've thought they had decent funding.
@@gyver8448 yeah budgeting is an issue, mostly because of rooster teeth, custom sprites, custom models, certain assets, voice actors and the list goes on. They spend thousands alone on custom sprites
@@gyver8448 they briefly talked about on their podcast how the budgeting is what's holding them back from doing certain episodes because it's too expensive to make with what little assets they're given
@@c1oudrx Fair. Thanks!
The outcome of the fight was pretty wack my dude, especially when they said that Ben's omnitrix will literally stop him from dying and then use the scissors trick which has literally not worked every single time someone tries to cut off Ben's arm.
Unfortunately dislikes are only visible to the creators now.
Wat
Watch the sonic vs maroi and then watch the debunk if you reply I can tell you the link
Did you react to how ben can beat Superman and goku by inktank
I feel like I need to put this here for... everyone. I see a lot of Green Lantern fanboys here saying that Ink Tank is saying that Ben would win just because of a bias he has as he didn't do any research into GL... but tell me, did Ink Tank at ANY point say that Ben would definitely win? Did they even imply that Ben would win in the slightest? I'll save you from checking because the answer is no.
They never said who would win, they simply said that there were some things that they got wrong about the fight because DB didn't do enough research into Ben, they simply stated why certain things in the fight wouldn't happen the way they did due to stuff that Ben is capable of (like the time travel, cutting off Ben's arm, etc.). Heck, they even specifically said that they wouldn't talk about GL as they're not as knowledgeable on him and there are other videos from people that are more informed on that topic. This wasn't a video to say who would win, this was a video to say that DB got some things wrong and the fight wouldn't have happened in that exact way... they made no implication as to what the end result would be.
And on that note, as somebody who has an unbiased opinion from not getting involved with either of the series... yeah, there are definitely more compelling arguments for Ben winning.
The bit with Upgrade hacking the ring quite literally ended with "I don't see why this wouldn't be an easy win". How is that not even an implication?
Hell he wasn't even correct about how the Sotoboro Effect even works nor did he explain why the failsafes would stop limb removal outside of acknowledging that the failsafes exist.
As someone with an unbiased opinion you sure rushed to his defense and felt the need to call anyone justifying Hal's win as "Green Lantern fanboys".
@@anthonycole2753 well we wouldn’t think you were green lantern fan boys if you weren’t always bashing this man and treating him like he was just a hater you hater and plus some of the stuff you just said on exactly right he literally just showed a Clip Ben Army getting cut off and the Watch protecting him also please explain to me how the effect works because last time I checked all he said is that it would be able to let the person know when someone else is time traveling and Alien X what they’re already time traveling abilities will be able to follow him and don’t give me that “ oh but he wouldn’t know where he’s going” he’s clearly going back in time to stop the stuff before it began that’s just obvious and I will admit he didn’t really talk about Hal speed and defenses but here’s the thing he only here to debunk death battles claims and last time I checked they never said anything about Green lantern being faster than the Omni tricks or his defenses being too much for Ben to handle
God dude, I would not waste your time with these debunk videos
The results of the fight aren't explained the best but listening to Ink Tank will not help
He is VERY biased towards Ben 10 and has admitted to know nothing about Green Lantern
Almost all of his points have been countered by the DB Cast in an OFFICIAL Q&A video or are just high-balled nonsense. With the sheer scale and insanity of the DC universe, the outcome was perfectly logical
you mean exactly the same with hal, giving him feats from different versions, without the weaknesses of them, and not giving full credit/feats to ben? honestly, I don't care who wins, I just hate the deception, especially when it doesn't need it, likely just like said battle
@@christophermonteith2774 What other versions? Pre and post crisis Hal are the same character because the Lanterns weren’t affected by Crisis. Why would he still have a weakness to yellow when he overcame that weakness?
@@christianpeterson1832 didn't argue against the other points, huh? and for example, even if pre and post crisis is the same character, that doesn't mean, for example that injustice Hal is the same, nor would it be for any other what if, or alternate earth ones. not sure where new 52 would fall either. another point of contention, being that Hal is human, far as I know when he loses his lantern ring charge, where as ben isn't entirely, neither is capability, nor technicality, yet alien X still couldn't get him when he had to recharge the ring? animation or not, that's a pretty big glaring insult to intelligence. maybe this one is petty, but saying that which ever alien form cant do whichever given feat that Hal can do, even when its just comparing to another lantern, yet another alien could do that exact thing? and not allowing the same idea for ben, that another comparable character including another one of himself can do something yet he couldn't possibly do? for example use more than one aliens abilities at a time. not to mention surviving the crisis event(s) doesn't mean that it is the same version either. It can, but doesn't always mean that. does he have the exact same abilities and knowledge from before it that he does after it? if so, then yes, he is the same. if he doesn't, then he isn't, its that simple. a bit rantish, and my knowledge is far from complete I doubt that I'm wrong on my points.
@@christophermonteith2774
“Didn’t argue against other points, huh?”
Considering how wanked Ben is by the versus community, do i need to?
Idk if it’s the wording or something but I have no idea what you’re trying to say with the composite argument or injustice. The original post crisis events was somewhat of a reboot for DC but some characters like the Lanterns and Darkseid, were unaffected. New 52 sort of “unretcons” pre crisis events.
The charge lasts 24 hours, sometimes shorter if it is engaged in a battle for too long or overtaxed. It only takes 10 seconds to recharge, which Hal can either: shield himself, move away to a safer location, or enter his own pocket dimension. But why would that be insulting? Hal was hit by X before he had to recharge, so he knows how hard a hit from X would be and know to concentrate harder to keep the shield up. I do 100% agree that treating the X duplicates as shadow clones and then have most of them standing around is pretty damn stupid on Death Battle’s behalf.
Comparing Hal to other Lanterns is completely fair because each GL ring is the same ring and Hal has the strongest will out of them. Even “out-willing” the ring’s program placed by the guardians to kill Krona. Whereas Ben’s aliens are prime examples of their species, but not all are peaks of their species.
But Hal has shown that he remembers the pre crisis events. While the eraser is happening, the Lanterns look at the aftermath.
I wish i could send panels but every time i do, my comments get deleted because TH-cam considers comments w/ links to be spam.
I'm pretty sure at one point Kuro mentioned he does know about green lantern, he just didn't bring it up in the video because his feats are more well known and wanted to highlight the lesser known things about ben or something like that.
Can you pls go react Epithet Erased?
(and if you are gonna continue watching the InkTank pls react to "And Beyond")
Ink Tank did not do research he just lived and breathed as a super fan of Ben 10.
Oh god really?
@@theduckgoesmoo There are definitely flaws with how he approaches the video:
The lack of research he does on Hal along with his reasonings for how Ben could win without X completely ignoring Hal’s speed and defenses.
How he talks about the Sotoboro effect doesn’t really change the out come because it only allows a time let to sense when someone else is traveling in time. Nothing in the show indicates that it’ll tell them where the other person is going or that they could get there first.
Wyatts statement about Alien X being able to “Destroy multiverse in six thoughts” IS taken seriously by fans, which is why DB addressed it since they take creative team’s statements into consideration. Also Wyatts doesn’t remember making the statement anyways, so it is proven to be not serious. Duncan rouleau has also said a loooot of things that contradict what’s presented in the shows and what other Man of Action statements already exist: X’s omnipotence, the Ben 10 universe being infinite, and so on.
He spends a lot more time trying to debunk the animation, even though there’s only a few points of actual merit being that X’s duplicates aren’t Shadow clones but Death Battle treated them like clones. But he takes the “Four Arms did more damage to Hal’s shield than X did” as X being presented as weaker even though you could easily argue that Hal is concentrating even more than at the beginning of the fight since he doesn’t know who Ben is or what his aliens could do =he doesn’t know what Four Arms is or how strong he is vs. he’s taken hits from X at that point already and knows how strong he is, thus he knows to make the shield stronger.
Have you ever watched the every thing wrong with series?
The big problems with this video are, of course, the fact that they didn't use a composite green lantern, the fact that ben has DIED on-screen, the fact that he doesn't check if any of his suggested ways ben can win would actually work and of course his lack of research into green lantern in general. He also seriously overestimates alien x
I agree with everything you said except that he overestimated alien x
@@xmant8842 thank you and I understand it's a difficult subject for the last one. I'm preparing my own case and I know how tricky the evidence can be.
I'm not sure how you could meaningfully check the win conditions beyond what has already been done: speculative reasoning.
Like the time loop example. Given that Alien X can keep reverting Hal's actions indefinitely, and given that the Lantern Rings have a limited battery that can be depleted, and given that recharging the ring is not an instantaneous process, then there must eventually be a window, however brief, where Hal is without his power. And given that without his power Hal is an ordinary human man, Alien X should be able to dispatch him in less than a second.
Unless you can prove one of those assumptions false, or find some flaw in this chain of logic, what else is there to confirm? There's no experiments to conduct or anything, it's all a hypothetical thought excercise.
@@scyfrix The battery would only go out if the fight went on for a whole day. If Hal were stuck in a loop, he’d travel to before the loop started. If he did need to recharge, he could hold up a barrier, keep moving while recharging, or escape into his own pocket dimension entirely.
@@scyfrix it is, but the problem is that its lopsided reasoning.
Also, in that specific instance, hal has been through that. It doesn't work because the ring works on it's own internal timeline and is capable of sending the disruption and breaking hal out under its own initiative. In fact if it wasn't than the attempt would be pointless since it'd just recharge the ring. Also, hal is not an ordinary man without his ring, he's made of green light himself.
The Sodabro effect is only for chronosapians. Prof. Paradox explain this so no watch ben would travel as a human to be undetected. Hal Jordan isn't the same species, so the Sodabro effect isn't relevant.
Not only that but Chronosapiens can't even time travel on just their own power. Maltruant had to use a time chariot and Ben has never time traveled with just his own aliens.
@@anthonycole2753no, alien x is quite literally a god, he can bend time as easy as you eat Cheetos, the sotobro effect would be sensed by a god, and even if it wasn’t, alien x is nigh-omniscient, meaning alien x knows EVERYTHING.
No read the comment above
@@GabrielTheTyper "Quite literally a god" is a meaningless statement to ever try justifying why a character should have an ability that they never had.
The sotoboro Effect is specifically said to be a ripple that is caused when Chronosapiens use their powers, not any event of time travel or time manipulation.
"Does this change it?" - No, absolutely not. None of his videos do or ever will. People who say otherwise simply don't know enough about Hal Jordan and the Green Lantern Corps, choosing only to focus on Ben 10 and incorrectly say, "Hal can't do the thing," when he most certainly can. Hal Jordan just plain wins, end of story.
He did really focus on Ben
@@theduckgoesmoo he focused on Ben only because his abilities and character was less known then Hal Jordan was.
@@andydurand8559 Let's be honest, Ink Tank focused on Ben not only because he's a fan of him, but because the Death Battle did not represented him properly. He literally explains that in the video.
@@despair_ts1823 Yeah that’s what I said , Ink Tank focused on Ben because he was less known than Green Lantern back then. Lots of people didn’t know his feats or much about him
@@andydurand8559 Except Hal isn’t that well known either. People are still genuinely surprised when you tell them he has powers outside of the Light constructs, has matched Kryptonians and is currently made out of Green Light himself. So yeah, he doesn’t know Hal
If link and Cloud can get a Rematch so does Ben and Hall
A rematch??
@@theduckgoesmoo no, a remath
The verdict wouldn’t change and there isn’t any new thing in their canonical stories that give them higher powers or abilities.
@@christianpeterson1832x wins regardless, they was wrong
11:33 in a word, speed. It's like if xlr8 and stink fly had a baby because all the initial alien force aliens were basically combinations or direct upgrades of the originals
Yep, he can both fly and swim, as well as breath underwater and space. He was at one point fast enough to enter hyperspace and travel to another planet in like maybe a few minutes.
Hey Kyle do you support inktank or not ,I am kuro's biggest fan
In short, DB had no idea what they were doing.
Very few things in this video are actually correct
ben tanked the big bang twice and first time he didn't even know what was happening also feedback was the alien that helped him tank the big bang the second Time
I stopped watching Death Battle after this analysis by Kuro.
Kuro is just a biased Ben 10 fan who admitted that he didn't research Green Lantern.
@@Animeaddiction like death battle
@scalesthebattlemage4634 I read Green Lantern. Kuro didn't.
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here's essentially the sequel, that goes over some complaints to the video your watching on this video
Ink tank has even less understanding of Hal Jordan than Death Battle, uh..
Less understanding except for the one simple fact that he forgot that how is an immune to yellow anymore but that's pretty much it, he also shows feats of later incarnations him making his own ring tech-based, and specially all of their feats that he was capable of doing and also comparing it to Ben's aliens which they are already applicable of doing.
Watch more of this stuff
I think I'm going to
This
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Is a far more accurate portrayal of how the fight would go made by someone who actually took all of Ben's abilities into consideration
It's also just a really good animation
No it's not lmao. Hal bodies Ben, get over it. Ink Tank is RIDICULOUSLY biased af, ironic since they claim that for DB. Ben PEAKS at universal scaling, Hal consistently bodies multiversal threats.
The video you sent is a well animated battle made by a guy who just wanted to jerk off his favorite character, which is fine, but pretending anything other than X would even TOUCH Hal is genuinely comical
Your claim to a more accurate portrayal of the fight is a poll decided animation that the creator explicitly admits to using animated Hal in. Not comic book Hal.
While it was a pol, it was ironically more accurate to both the characters. DB just loves doing fisticufs and has no idea how to decide victory based on characters with hack abilities.
Hey has a follow up video about the q&a that you also need to watch
Looking at the title of the video ‘Does that change it’ simple answer: YES.
Hal would still win
Yeah right that scissors trick is literally not working.
He can win other ways regardless, I’ll even argue the fail safe blast wouldn’t even affect Hal that badly and just continue doing it
@@Crashboy757 if hal can survive the big bang than yeah it wouldn't stop him
@@Adam-en1gp Ben Also survived Big Bang
@@Crashboy757 the failsafe blast is just one of many failsafes
Ink Tank's video only proves he's a biased Ben 10 fanboy. He didn't even try to mention Green Lantern's feats. Go watch the Q & A on this Death Battle. The creators all thought Ben would win, and then they realized just how OP Hal Jordan was.
Yeah DB thinks Scisors is Stronger than Big Bang xddd
There is like a million videos covering green lantern and maybe a dozen for Ben, and he was making a defense for why Ben would win
@@trappedcosmos Have you looked around for Green Lantern analysis videos? There are not many on TH-cam so Ink Tank's claim that there are "millions" of them is just a blatant lie and him being butthurt.
@@Animeaddiction well I just searched up Hal Jordan and was able to find about five videos from scrolling for like 30 seconds
@@trappedcosmos Like I said, not the "millions" that Ink Tank claimed. Butthurt liar.
ben 10 can scan aliens , ben can scan doomsday and transform into him , doomsday has killed millions of green lanterns even the oan guardians coudnt defeat him.
And as we all know, outside characters can randomly appear in Death Battle this way.
This would be like Ridley showing up in Samus’ Death Battle. Or Tai Lung showing up in Po’s Death Battle. And countless other examples.
@@christianpeterson1832 It’s happened a decent amount of times.
Would you please check out why Ben 10 can beat Superman goku & pretty much anyone
Awesome
Inktank
Ben fans are just salty.
No, we just wanted a better explained fight.
Infite army of bens
He done sort of that echo echo cloned himself like 7 times then all turned human their was 7 bens running around if echo echo changes back to ben or changes to a difernt alien the clones remain as echo echos clones are all unique
Echo echo is living sound waves they reproduce by splitting up ben keeps control of each reproduction which is how echo echo works but each has their own mind aswell
he made three, and all of them had mental degradation and couldn't work together. echo echo also had a confirmed FINITE energy pool which draws from other omnitrix transformations, like when ditto spent too long seperated and ben's next transformation lasted a few seconds.
even then, hal can target entire armies or literally an entire species.
If you think that Ink Tanks videos are worth watching, by all means do so.
I think so
Death Battle is a joke who do videos on characters they either don't understand or they purposely downplay them and have them do stupid things which makes no sense!
Their newest vs Madara vs Aizen video they purposely downplay Aizen's ability, using "feats" from early in the series as a way to measure his abilities, which had skyrocketed by the end of Bleach.
It doesn't change anything hal still washes
No
Yeah, Hal can't stop Alien X. Even pretending Alien X couldn't do anything to Hal, which he can, Hal can't hurt Alien X and his ring WILL run out of power eventually. Where Alien X will not.
They claimed Hal hurting a character called Mandrakk proved he could hurt Alien X, but looking into it he didn't ACTUALLY hurt Mandrakk. He took power from the ENTIRE Green Lantern Corp (Which was summoned to the location by a god from outside the multiverse (Which is also what Alien X is)) and he put a stake through Mandrakk's heart. This worked, because Mandrakk is a "vampire". He's a Monitor, and he went evil. The Monitors are abstract beings. They do things like eat stories, use hunter killer metaphors, concept weapons, things that don't make any sense to 3 dimensional beings like us. This Monitor's weakness is abstract, not getting hit really hard. That's why the idea that he's a vampire makes him vulnerable to a stake through the heart, provided by the entire Green lantern Corps, and sunlight. Provided by a ton of Kryptonian eye beams. This character was previously defeated by pushing him out of the multiverse, and I mean that literally the other Monitors invented a giant Superman robot to do it, and then he could not get back to the Multiverse because the people living there, forgot about him.
People not remembering him was sufficient to seal him away from the Multiverse. Alien X, doesn't care what you believe, he creates what you believe. His race can freely alter any detail they wish across the entire Multiverse, which is infinite by the way. If they want to, they can also destroy all of it. They joke about it taking "Six Thoughts" and while that was a joke from the person who said it, Alien X can indeed destroy the Multiverse.
The entire Multiverse actually DOES get destroyed at one point in time, an alien that can control time makes a bomb that destroys the whole multiverse. Yep. And it goes off. And nobody stops it.
Then a version of Ben who never had the Omnitrix gets one, turns into an alien called a Chronosapien that can control time, which is WEAKER than Alien X, and then he just. Undoes it.
An Alien weaker than Alien X being controlled by a Ben with NO experience being any aliens undoes Multiversal destruction. That's more than Hal has ever faced before, at the very least it's more than he can possibly handle alone.
....you got every single thing wrong. Again.
If mandrake being a vampire was the problem, sunlight based heat vision would have worked on him and clockwork doesn't just 'undo it' he has to go and manually reboot all the timelines.
@@danielwilson8604 heat vision DID work on him. He was defeated that time by a giant stake and laser beams, which doesn't work on Alien X because he's not an abstractum. In that respect he's MORE powerful than Mandrakk.
I like how you said I got "everything" wrong and then mentioned NOTHING I got wrong.
Ben undid a literal crisis all on his own, yes or no? Can Hal do THAT with his supposedly omnipotent will power?
@@haku8135 ...yes. hes done it twice. During emerald twilight and rebirth. Has clockwork ever done it WITHOUT setup and thr device which erased it in the first place?
And no, mandrake stood and gave a whole speech in the laser vision. Whereas any vampire that touches it is instantly killed. One even exploded when it tried to feed on superman. But hal has killed living concepts with his green light. Its what it's FOR.
Also... no. Alien x is in no way anywhere near as powerful as mandraak.
@@danielwilson8604 heeeey, guess who's full of shit?
Hal takes all the energy in the Central Power Battery, and when he emerges from it, he has a new costume and takes the name Parallax.
This story contains NO crisis level events and Hal does not do anything of the sort like reversing multiversal destruction of his own power. What it DOES show is Hal fucking stealing ALL the power of the Green Lantern Corps because he COULDN'T RECREATE A SINGLE CITY ON HIS OWN!
Wanna know who can recreate an entire universe on a whim?
Alien X.
Is your argument really that a novice Ben 10 reversed a CRISIS using a chronosapien device, therefore ALIEN X is weaker than a dude that couldn't fix one destroyed city on his own?
Fuck off you DC fantard. I challenge you to actually PROVE Mandrakk is more powerful than Alien X. Wanna know who has lost multiple times and even died?
Mandrakk.
Wanna know who has never lost nor struggled for a single moment of screen time?
Alien X.
@@haku8135 you are.
Alien x made a universe, and didn't even fo that right. Mandraak eats universes and fought atop the entire multiverse. He also kills monitors with just the shock wave of his fight with the superman robot, and monitors can take universes exploding in their face.
Emerald twilight, or more specifically zero hour had hal absorb the central battery, yes, then bring back he multuverse, creating 'perfect worlds' for every single dc character and gringind them to nothing trying to Improve them. and fighting the entire multiverse when they turn against him. Every time hal crushes one of those universes, the characters from that timeline are erased. Like the alternate batgirl that aids them.
And he DID create an entire city on his own. And an entire planet, and star. In his basic training he made a universe.
And guess what? Hal fought his parallax self to a standstill thanks to time travel, showing he CAN match that power. Also, considering he can access the central battery at literally any time, that's a poor argument against using it.
My argument is that alien x made a universe, hal has repeatedly made MULTIVERSES. Therefore hal is stronger. Insisting on using hal holding a city u ntill his ring ran out is as dishonest as using alien x making a DAM as his limit.
And scaling alien x to clockwork with outside help is pointless.
Okay, so I still more-or-less agree with Kuro’s arguments here, as well as his arguments in the follow-up video, though I admit there’s aspects of Green-Lantern lore I’m probably unaware of, so I could be missing things. I’ve mostly moved on from this DB controversy, though I’d absolutely LOVE to see a Rematch between Hal and 5YL BEN!
Another thing tho; Looks like you’re getting close to the WallyWest Flash vs Archie Sonic DeathBattle… And if you just look at my current avatar, well… yeeaahh, I’ve sorta been on BOTH sides of this “DeathBattle is Wrong for siding with the DC Character” Argument, which is why I won’t judge anyone for siding with Hal, because I’ve been in those shoes before, and I’m not a soulless fanatic. I’ll never apologize for loving and hyping WallyWest, but I also can’t say for certain that the results of that fight were completely fair. But that’s another story for another time…
PLEASE DON’T HATE ME!!!
Hello again! To clarify the big problem with his videos, Hal's not a composite. They actually did storyline about adjusting to life in a new universe where all your friends and family have been erased, and we even see a lantern cure someone who's body was erased by the crisis. Also, ironically, hal keeps getting upgrades too,much like he claims ben does, and nothing he outlines in this video would actually work. Plus the omnitrix isn't immune to everything, and plenty of tricks work on it in the final version
@@danielwilson8604
Fair enough, those are some good points.
The reason I thought he might be a composite was that they said he can apparently time-travel and control-minds and stuff, and I've never, ever, EVER seen or heard of any Green-Lanterns doing that on their own, especially because, in the Justice-League comics and cartoons, they always relied on The Flash and Martian-Manhunter for that stuff. Which seemed appropriate, that way each Leaguer has a specialty and isn't completely redundant, ya know?
If you say that the Green-Lanterns were all unaffected by the first Crisis-Reboot, well, I guess I believe you. Not entirely sure that would protect him from AlienX's reality-warping though, since he's been calculated to be at least High Multiversal-Plus, but it's very impressive nonetheless.
"Also, ironically, Hal keeps getting upgrades too, much like Kuro claims Ben does, and nothing he outlines in this video would actually work..."
Yeah, I was very skeptical about that Upgrade idea, because I wasn't sure what defenses the Ring might have, but I do think that, if DB had allowed Ben to use FeedBack or ChromaStone, it would have definitely given Ben more of a fighting chance, since energy-attacks and constructs are completely useless against them and only make them stronger, which neutralizes like, 80% of Hal's abilities. Plus the way they nerfed AlienX and had Ben lose to time-traveling scissors? Yeah, NO, even if Hal CAN defeat Ben and AlienX, there's just NO WAY it would happen like that. Still, I agree that some of those ideas he had for how Ben could defeat Hal were reaching.
"Plus the Omnitrix isn't immune to everything, and plenty of tricks work on it in the final version..."
Well, yes and no. In Omniverse, the Official Omnitrix seems to still be capable of being damaged or giving Ben the wrong alien. (there are 2 different prevailing theories as to why this is the case, one being user-error on Ben's part, because he slams the Omnitrix dial down too hard, the other being that the Omnitrix's AI will, in Ben's own words, "Always gives me the right alien, even when I want someone else..." There's yet another video where they explore that issue and try to make sense out of it.)
However, once Master-Control is activated, all those glitches and drawbacks completely vanish, so depending on whether you're willing to give Ben Master-Control, those Glitches and vulnerabilities that the Omnitrix had are kind of a non-problem. But yeah, those were still some good points you made. :)
@@HaydenStephens515 there's counterpoints, but would you prefer i leave it be or give you them?
@@danielwilson8604
I guess I can hear one more round of counterpoints, though I’d also prefer that this debate doesn’t drag on for eternity. But sure, if you have one more set of counterpoints, I’m willing to hear them out.
@@HaydenStephens515 in that case, i will let it be. i think you mistunderstood some things i said and that's on me, but i don't think i could state things well enough to avoid having to make more clarifications
ben 10 react when?
all ben would really need to do is turn into waybig and clobber hal until his ring rand out of power
Waybig is fodder amd so is alien x
Way Big is not strong enough to even budge Hal
No Waybig is not that strong. Alien X is though. Nothing short of Alien X can beat Hal, so if Alien X was removed, Hal would have won.
I actually have explanation of every single thing ink tank debunke and there's still ways Hal Jordan can actually win or kill Ben
As in what I'm actually quite curious, because they're actually still ways that Ben could beat how especially going by the fact that his ring is tech-based upgrade is up for chance, or chroma Stone to absorb all of his energy attacks, or pixie dust who can literally trap howl in his own mind and literally torture him for days.
@@faith4657 the ring’s aren’t tech based though, they’re constructs that have tech components but the properties are closer to magic.
Every matter of mental attacks has been thwarted and resisted before: fear projection, mind control, mental attacks and the ring has pulled Hal out of a full illusion.
@@christianpeterson1832 if they're more like magic why doesn't anyone claim that they are magic, they mostly just say it's mostly just tech and how it's presented is actually like technology using an emotional spectrum literally formed from technology itself is just advanced technology nothing out of the ballpark of upgrade. Mental hacks, all depends on the level and power if that may not work he still has other ways to beat them, but Pusky dust the abilities kind of different because he actually traps you in your own mind.
@@faith4657 the ring is also alive and has fought off hacking, which is the exact thing upgrade has trouble with, hal ca also absorb energy attacks and resist energy absorption.
@@danielwilson8604 you mean it has an advanced AI, but I agree not as advanced as the omnitrix, as the can still control Ben's body even tho chopped off, also his fought hacking before in what way or form. Ben can also absorb energy too, and with chromestone he can let all of Hal's constructs pass through him or out right absorb it, then fire it back, as long as he stops using energy which will be hard. He can also use ghostfreak for possession or if this is ultimate Alien watch turn to Ult big chill and absorb all the heat from his body freezing him instantly.