The logistic of randomly placed very convenient green glowing generators that somehow only have enough charge for one full shield seems to be dubious too.
I remember reading somewhere that personal energy shields fell out of use since the KOTOR era was because blasters got stronger, meaning shields able to absorb that amount of energy would need to be more powerful. The problem with this being that shields required larger power units than could be carried and had a large radiation output.
Didnt they have a dark ages around the 7th battle of rusan since it was shown they gone back to swords and spears for combat in some cases? Honestly i think they did a reset since that era from swotor and bane era and thats why they kind of had a technical stagnation period in their history and most kotor tech was lost or forgotten.
I always thought that they realized that prolonged use of personal forcefields caused long term health problems to the users because of the radiation from the device.
I remember reading something similar, that the reason energy shields fell out of use since the kotor era was because blasters got more powerful, meaning shields able to absorb that amount of energy would need to be more powerful. The problem being that this required larger power units than could be carried and a large radiation output.
Oddly the books don't mention them, I wonder if they're a gameplay representation of the armor being able to diffuse a set amount of heat before needing to cool down
Energy consumption seems to be the main reason why energy shields weren’t common for the Star Wars Galaxy, and frankly it makes total sense. Energy Shields were common for star fighters and large vessels because they had the energy to use them, but to make a engine small enough to carry it on a person will be a massive under taking even with the level of technology of the Star Wars Universe.
That, and it seemed that the star wars galaxy functions off of a Battery pack system. in his example of comparing the shields the commandos used to halo, spartan armors shields are powered by a fusion reactor in the suit. and Star wars doesn't have anything close to a personal level sized fusion reactor or similar means to generate power. Instead, every device and armor worn are powered off of battery cells that need to be recharged after use. That limitation also seems to be what holds back personal shields on humans or other humanoid species because of the need for larger batteries like what the droids have.
I for one subscribe to the technological fall idea. Since in KOTOR we see shields as much more common. It is possible that the sheer devastation of the wars of the past resulted in the knowledge to make more efficient shields to have simply been lost. It also creates a bit of terror because think if the stuff we see regularly is some powerful how mighty could some of what was lost be?
@@spartanonxy I swear I remember reading somewhere, and I can't find it again now, that the reason energy shields fell out of use since kotor was because blasters got more powerful over time, meaning shields able to absorb that amount of power would need to be more powerful. The problem being that this required larger power units than could be carried and a large radiation output.
I remember thinking that the Droideka were the coolish droids ever in Star Wars! Then I played as one in the first Star Wars Battlefield game. Nuff Said...
@@quintinpelley8710 nah they weren't that op I remember charging to safe spot center(between the two guns) and follow the ai's turning. In the second battlefront I would use jet troopers or the big mini gun unit. Tho I never had the chance to play with people online since I was quite young.
The Handheld shield should have become part of the standard equipment of the Jedi - sword and shield is one of the most common loadouts throughout Human pre-gunpowder combat history. And Jedi could have utilised the Handheld shield far better than non Force sensitives to block blaster bolts, as well as compensate for a Jedi vulnerability, massed blaster fire coming in such number that not all bolts could be deflected (as illustrated during the Order 66 montage), along with Mandalorian non blaster projectiles such as flamers and missiles ect. And the Jedi could no doubt do some interesting tricks with Handheld shields - here's one; a Force leap forward with the body held horizontal in a prone position, _completely_ hidden behind the Shield as the Jedi swoops to the target, Sabering as they "flyby". Handheld shields also blocked Force lightning as a added bonus. And it's not like Jedi couldn't afford them - how did Gungans manage to equip their entire army with them BTW?
Gungan technology is heavily plasma-based, most heavily using a plasmic goo they had easy access to the large supplies of plasma found within and around the planet Naboo's core. This goo allowed them to create vast quantities of energy field technology, such as the protective "bubbles" around their underwater settlements and the various plasma orbs used in their weapons. TL;DR Gungans specialized in hydrostatic energy field technology, with other tech lagging behind as a result. That's why they have energy shields and plasma grenades but not landspeeders or blasters.
You also have to consider that the Jedi/Sith in some instances actually used handheld shields. Darth Desolous is the best example of this same Zayne Carrick and the Killian Rangers.
That would make sense, but the Jedi seemed to be very rigid and tradition based, for example they wore robes rather than even minimal protective equipment, and didn't use blasters not even the stun variety. Considering how much it must cost to raise, train, house, and equip a jedi it'd have been smart for them to provide them with better equipment. However, it wasn't traditional to do so, so they didn't.
It’s the exact same story as how plate armor fell out of style in the real world. As with personal energy shields, there’s no sense in equipping soldiers with armor that could be easily destroyed with a single powerful bullet.
@@ReshyShira it's also a matter of impact absorption, metal isn't very good with that since it can't spread the energy out and instead transfers it directly to your body, a bullet is essentially a blunt weapon that has the capability to also pierce through the armor.
@@bobabubble3628 Yeah dissipating energy is important for reducing impact. But saying that we don't wear plate armor isn't to say we don't give our soldiers armor.
@@ReshyShira The emphasis here is 'plate armor', not armor in general. Star Wars' equivalent of our modern day body armor is the armored suits that soldiers are already wearing, with our plate armor being their personal energy shields. Just like our body armor, their armored suits ain't meant to tank everything, they're not meant for taking punishments after punishments & coming out just fine, just enough to let combatants wearing them stay alive. On the contrary, just like how it was with our medieval plate armor, their personal shields are meant to soak in everything that they're built to take, be it energy or kinetic or both. Personal energy shields are simply no longer relevant because they eventually fail at doing what they're supposed to, just like how medieval plate armor just flat out fail at tanking even just 2 high caliber rounds.
plate armor didnt fall out of favor because of bullets, full plate was almost exclusively used AFTER the invention of the gun in fact. it fell out of favor due to two factors, one was advancements in artillery. better, faster, more accurate cannons rendered alot of expensive armor moot. full breast plates and cuirasses however would remain popular until the early 1700s. the second big shift was in how wars were fought as a result of those same cannon advancements. prior armies were largely comprised of nobles (the ones wearing the full plate) and Levied peasants for numbers. very few would maintain professional armies. however once cannons became "too good" most were reluctant to send their nobles nor their own workforce into battles where a cannon barrage could cripple their lands even if they won the battle, so a major shift towards using mercenary troops occurred. mercenaries were the primary fighting force of nearly every sovereign polity for nearly the full duration of the renaissance, only finally being replaced by professional trained militaries once imperialism kicked off.
It's actually unclear in Commando armor actually HAD shields, or if the shield bar in the video game was representing an ability of the armor itself to shed heat. The shields don't get mentioned at all in the novels.
I don't buy that someone not dying instantly from a blaster shot rather than after a couple is a good justification for not using them: Most bullets IRL miss their targets, and likely same deal with blaster bolts. There's a reason why suppressive fire rarely causes casualties, but is there to pin people down. However, being able to soak up a stray blaster shot or two is definitely worth the cost compared to needing to recruit, train, equip, and transport a new soldier to the front line to replace the loss. Modern day american military pays about 100-200k per soldier, so paying an extra 10-20k to have their survival rate increased dramatically would save a lot of money in the long run. However, you could say that it doesn't look very good on paper to give everyone a shield because the costs to replace losses aren't as readily apparent to paper pushers.
If it costs 100k to Equip and train a soldier, adding a personal energy shield would bring that cost up to 500k. Militaries always go for the lowest bidder
@@Kingdomkey123678 Not always, that's like saying why equip armor to soldiers, if they get hit they're still likely out of the action. The armor is still important though, and a shield would be even more important. Part of this is for morale, you want your soldiers to fight with confidence. Part of it is that if say you flip the numbers around where training and equipping a typical soldier is 500k, and the energy shield is 100k, it's a drop in the bucket respectively.
@@ReshyShira The point I was trying to get across was that in the Star Wars universe modern full body energy shields for organic users are prohibitively expense even with any cost savings you would get from mass production. Thus making them impractical for any major military’s primary infantry loadout.
This makes a lot of sense considering military grade blasters like the Clone Trooper DC-15 Blaster Rifle has blaster bolts that fire on max settings roughly equivalent to multiple lightning bolts per shot on max power settings. Most personal shields would need insane amounts of power to function under that kind of hand held firepower. Clones are practically walking lightning bolts when it comes to their fire power. Plus add the fact that Clones were genetically enhanced to peak human physical capabilities, then trained under the most extreme of circumstances. Then suiting them in ballistic proof armor. An average clone would be a walking tank amongst most other Sci-Fi soldiers. Somewhere in between Spartans and Space Marines,
Clone Troopers are more or less like Spartan 3s. *edit* Now that I think about it... What exactly are the potential and theoretical ballistics of Clone Trooper armor? Is it more like some type of light weight EOD suit but made entirely of an inexpensive hardened flexible polymer? It is meant for Blaster bolts and dissipates the heat and kinetic energy over the armor surface but... 🤔 Blaster bolts are more powerful than conventional bullets by far.
@@justjoking5841 Not quite, clones are physically inferior to Spartan’s clones are basically peak humans where as Spartan’s are enhanced humans. That being said, Clone equipment and weaponry is vastly superior to anything both the UNSC and the Covenant have to offer. Even un-shielded as they are, their armor would be able to withstand anything ground infantry in the halo universe could dish out. Close combat would a different game, with heavy advantage in favor of the Spartans and mild advantages to the Covenant due to the Elites, Brutes, etc.
@@justjoking5841 It’s hard to tell with the ballistic limits of Clone Armor, as their body gloves are shrapnel proof. That being said, it really does depend on how strong and how piercing focused the ballistic weapon is. Blaster bolts can be set to various setting ranging from pinpoint precision to explosive blasts that have an area of effect. And considering that most clone armor is meant to stop energy weapons from impacting the point of blast with its complete yield. So it’s hard to tell for sure.
A Wookie with a large Handheld Force Shield in one hand and a MWC-35c "Staccato Lightning" repeating cannon [Baze's Minigun from Rogue One] held with the other would be a very effective combatant. The powerpacks would not be cumbersome, more like bumbags or cross body bags than rucksacks. And if you've got a lifespan of 400 years, investing in some quality hardware is a good long term decision. It's not like you're blowing money on fast fashion, or clothing in general - although a kilt would be nice for hygiene reasons.
8:35: Well, I am gonna reread Dune and Dune Messiah. Maybe even rewatch Denis Villeneuve's Part 1 film of the former book. Not sure if I should continue on with Children of Dune to God-Emperor of Dune... but first, I have to finish up on Neil Garman's Trigger Warnings. Recently got a good snatch of good books, so...
Though in both TCW and Rebels, the Mandalorian melee shield did absorb blaster bolts, and wasn't just for melee combat, from what I remember. There's a scene from the Rebels series, where Sabine flew towards an Imperial AT-DP wielding the Dark Saber, but it fired on her before she got to it, so she ended up activating her personal shield last minute, but she got blown outta the sky; she survived, but I'd suspect that the shield was pretty much useless after absorbing a blast like that. Also in TCW season 5/7 too I think.
Anyone who's played battlefront 2 will know full hand personal shields are not going to protect like droidekas shields they can eat like 6-7 blaster bolts before recharge
It's funny I never read or saw dune yet my favorite interpretation of shields apparently came from that. At the time I was just thinking about shields and my idea was exactly the same as dune. I thought I was pretty creative till I found out about dune lol.
I know that this is not a cannon, but I always thought that a energy shield should make it easier for someone to track the user. Every time somebody uses a energy shield it should be like jumping up and down and shouting to be shot at.
Well they already have small backpack sized fusion reactors. So it would be less revolutionary than you probably think to get iron-man fusion reactors.
I did enjoy how Kotor showed us a time in the galaxy where defense was winning the eternal technological arms race with offense and created a situation where you have soldiers using whole ass metal swords while boarding space ships. In a way it also makes stormtrooper style armor in the movie era make a bit more sense. Blasters are so damn powerful that your options for defense are a full suit of armor that protects from environmental hazards and battlefield dangers while letting you survive glancing blows and potentially making direct hits survivable or a single piece of equipment that only stops actual blaster bolts and even then you're lucky if it manages to actually absorb more than one shot before failing all while still being far and away more expensive than the whole suit of armor.
With all this information we can say the only reason the Republic were able to give republic commandos personal energy shields is because republic commandos were not as common as clone troopers so less cost involved
Some lore I've read says that it's actually hazardous to your health with radiation from either the shield or power supply. Other stuff says that the requisite power supply is mobility impeding, though this depends on the design. Finally, cost and availability are likely issues. The best shields are going to be both rare and expensive.
Because they ate through batteries on an insane basis. "The Imperials think I'm somehow immortal, but I just have a good supply of power cells." - Kyle Katarn..
Question to the team of this channel and the others who saw this comment, what do you guys think of those Star Wars Anime Openings? And which one you guys like the most? I like the ones with Gurenge and SIlent Solitude songs the most!
"How are you powering that shield?" "Personal battery pack. Why?" "You know those only last for a few minutes?" *shield dies as battery runs out of power* "Oh no! Honeybunch, help!"
Dude, Dune has been my favourite novel since *loooong* before any of these sweet summer children finally got around to cracking it open and realizing how great it is. It and its 5 sequels (you heard me) are simply some of the best sci-fi literature full stop (well, the first 3 at least; Heretics and Chapterhouse aren't bad, just less good). The rise of Dune content ever since Dune (2021) has been great, but the icing on the cake has been all the people I get to say "told you so!" to now that they finally got around to actually reading it.
@@Kingdomkey123678 composite armor is where it is at. Effective pure steel armor is way too heavy. The ak might be the most used platform but that doesn't make it the best.
Literally had this question and it brought me here. I was more or less wondering though why didn’t the Jedi use personal shields like the Spartans, I understand they didn’t want to seem like a war type race and keeping everything simple. Yet like obi and anakin they used clone armor to help against blasters. Why not use a hand held shield made of beskaar. I just don’t why the Jedi didn’t have more protection than just force tricks/lightsaber.
Yeah, it's the same reason the CIS didn't outfit its droids with all the weapons and tactics HK-47 stated made killing Jedi fairly easy. The movie's gotta happen.
Hey technically if they were to put up the energy Shield wouldn't they be able to shoot? I always ask that question even as a little kid when I first saw the prequels
War droids had polarized shields, meaning the bolts from their polarized blasters could pass through it without difficulty whilst also repelling any blaster bolt that didn't share the same polarization.
heres something to think about what if you had multiple energy shields that where wrist or belt mounted? going in a Mon Cala style of defence and if that worked then you could possibly make more of these like bicep, shin and thigh mounted PESs thats 2 wrists, 2 biceps, 2 shins, 2 thighs and probably around 6-8 belt mounted PESs for about 16 shields and more if you consider using like a modern military web vest or bandoliers you could also add all these to some commando armor if you could find it
I wonder when this point was reached of discarding shields. Was it during the Old Republic era and the war with the Resurgent Sith Empire? Or after? Going by SWTOR, shields are able to be used by the player classes with tank specialisations, and some tankier enemies seem to have them as well.
In the saga edition RPG an individual droideka is only a CR 4 threat....but it can TPK a part twice it's level. The shield is a HUGE benefit but the game mechanics of having one on more than a few individual characters who don't need to be all that mobile makes it difficult to replicate the benefit for players.
Hmmm... had the writers of episodes 7 to 9 had brains... The First Order could have revived personal shielding technology, after all they had Kyber Cristal technology... Even worse, used that tech for upgrading existing shielding overall... They could have been almost unstoppable... And they hollowed our Illum... They had enough resources... At least for elite troops...
Imagine a counter attack at the opening of the last jedi, where the remaining new republic fleet that wasnt destroyed in the initial attack which was still very powerful canme in at full force, trying to defend a planet base, at the beggining the republic was winning the ground battle then reinforcements arrive, as a small elite fleet came out of hyperspace stalling the republic fleet long enough for landing craft to land and decimate the new republic forces, and took little casualties as their shield absorbed all of the damage
I think there's an even better answer to why clone troopers didn't adopt shields: Shielded clone troopers are more immune to light sabers. New army. New tech. The jedi needed to be able to kill their clonies in droves if push came to shove. And shields made that impossible. Sci fi militarys do this kind of stuff all the time. And if you don't buy that the jedi were as pure as they seem, it's not out of the question. Something to think about.
Gotta remember that after firearms became dominant, personal body armor fell out of fashion for centuries on earth. It’s only recently begun to make a comeback thank to material science advancement
Didn't personal shields fall out of use because StarWars went from lazers to plasma based weapons which essentially rendered them useless? I mean sure droidekas and stuff had them but those were rare and expensive to make.
Sounds to me them Ichani energy shields woulda been VERY useful for the Jedi.. especially during the Clone wars. Since Jedi favored close combat too when they fought. An majority of their enemy's weapons were energy or sometimes projectile based too. Also a big Dune fan an read books from MOST all of it's Historic Periods too. It's about the only franchise with as well developed lore and just as huge book series as this franchise.
I will save you 9 minutes...the reason personal shields weren't more common is because of cost. Nothing else. It was expensive to manufacture an effective and safe shield
I wish you'd get to the point quicker. I mean, make it more interesting and efficient and you'll get more views. At least cut down two minutes at least. Jeez.
Kyle Katarn didn't need an energy shield, but he had one anyways to give his enemies the impression they could win when it shorted out.
Smart lol
His shield was okay but required you to recharge it manually not the best system really
The logistic of randomly placed very convenient green glowing generators that somehow only have enough charge for one full shield seems to be dubious too.
@@hendrikgreiner8449 Yeah it was a bit weird but game limitations ha ha
Imagine a Star Wars character built like The Wall in Dark Souls, with fully covering beskar armor and two giant gungan shields.
*strips off armor* Challenge accepted.
Dam that's nightmare fuel right there
Oh No!
*Pulls out Rocket Launcher* Anyway
@@dabigork Nothing a lot of Dakka can't solve.
@@gabrieloviedocasanas4977 But what if The Wall is also a spellcaster and uses [the] Force to redirect your projectile?
I remember reading somewhere that personal energy shields fell out of use since the KOTOR era was because blasters got stronger, meaning shields able to absorb that amount of energy would need to be more powerful. The problem with this being that shields required larger power units than could be carried and had a large radiation output.
Didnt they have a dark ages around the 7th battle of rusan since it was shown they gone back to swords and spears for combat in some cases? Honestly i think they did a reset since that era from swotor and bane era and thats why they kind of had a technical stagnation period in their history and most kotor tech was lost or forgotten.
Question : should energy shield be form-fitting (halo personal shields) or oval shape? Which do you think is the better type?
I always thought that they realized that prolonged use of personal forcefields caused long term health problems to the users because of the radiation from the device.
I remember reading something similar, that the reason energy shields fell out of use since the kotor era was because blasters got more powerful, meaning shields able to absorb that amount of energy would need to be more powerful. The problem being that this required larger power units than could be carried and a large radiation output.
That could also be another possible reason!
@@geetslys Possibly, we do tend to see energy shields present more on troops in full battle armor like the clone commandos and mandalorians.
In the republic commando game… the energy shields were a life saver
Oddly the books don't mention them, I wonder if they're a gameplay representation of the armor being able to diffuse a set amount of heat before needing to cool down
Goated sheilds!
@@DIEGhostfish yeah, that's exactly it iirc
@@Doppler817 I don't think it's said explicitly either way.
@@DIEGhostfish it kinda reflects the novels so that's how i'd think of it. Those novels and that game were released together to add a side story
Energy consumption seems to be the main reason why energy shields weren’t common for the Star Wars Galaxy, and frankly it makes total sense. Energy Shields were common for star fighters and large vessels because they had the energy to use them, but to make a engine small enough to carry it on a person will be a massive under taking even with the level of technology of the Star Wars Universe.
That, and it seemed that the star wars galaxy functions off of a Battery pack system. in his example of comparing the shields the commandos used to halo, spartan armors shields are powered by a fusion reactor in the suit. and Star wars doesn't have anything close to a personal level sized fusion reactor or similar means to generate power. Instead, every device and armor worn are powered off of battery cells that need to be recharged after use. That limitation also seems to be what holds back personal shields on humans or other humanoid species because of the need for larger batteries like what the droids have.
I for one subscribe to the technological fall idea. Since in KOTOR we see shields as much more common. It is possible that the sheer devastation of the wars of the past resulted in the knowledge to make more efficient shields to have simply been lost. It also creates a bit of terror because think if the stuff we see regularly is some powerful how mighty could some of what was lost be?
Because Regenerating energy shields give you cancer. And Kyle Katarn stole all the powercells for the battery powered ones that don't give you cancer.
@@DragonHeart53 There are absolutely small fusion reactors but not all of them can run off of air.
@@spartanonxy I swear I remember reading somewhere, and I can't find it again now, that the reason energy shields fell out of use since kotor was because blasters got more powerful over time, meaning shields able to absorb that amount of power would need to be more powerful. The problem being that this required larger power units than could be carried and a large radiation output.
I remember thinking that the Droideka were the coolish droids ever in Star Wars! Then I played as one in the first Star Wars Battlefield game. Nuff Said...
So did or didn’t like it?
@@matthewlayne5151 In the original battlefront games Droideka were broken and you were pretty much invincible
@@matthewlayne5151 probably seething hatred. I know I have. The shields were too strong to take down.
I wonder if the PC Servers for the OG Battlefront are still up.
@@quintinpelley8710 nah they weren't that op I remember charging to safe spot center(between the two guns) and follow the ai's turning. In the second battlefront I would use jet troopers or the big mini gun unit. Tho I never had the chance to play with people online since I was quite young.
The Handheld shield should have become part of the standard equipment of the Jedi - sword and shield is one of the most common loadouts throughout Human pre-gunpowder combat history.
And Jedi could have utilised the Handheld shield far better than non Force sensitives to block blaster bolts, as well as compensate for a Jedi vulnerability, massed blaster fire coming in such number that not all bolts could be deflected (as illustrated during the Order 66 montage), along with Mandalorian non blaster projectiles such as flamers and missiles ect.
And the Jedi could no doubt do some interesting tricks with Handheld shields - here's one; a Force leap forward with the body held horizontal in a prone position, _completely_ hidden behind the Shield as the Jedi swoops to the target, Sabering as they "flyby".
Handheld shields also blocked Force lightning as a added bonus.
And it's not like Jedi couldn't afford them - how did Gungans manage to equip their entire army with them BTW?
Gungan technology is heavily plasma-based, most heavily using a plasmic goo they had easy access to the large supplies of plasma found within and around the planet Naboo's core. This goo allowed them to create vast quantities of energy field technology, such as the protective "bubbles" around their underwater settlements and the various plasma orbs used in their weapons.
TL;DR Gungans specialized in hydrostatic energy field technology, with other tech lagging behind as a result. That's why they have energy shields and plasma grenades but not landspeeders or blasters.
You also have to consider that the Jedi/Sith in some instances actually used handheld shields. Darth Desolous is the best example of this same Zayne Carrick and the Killian Rangers.
@@Getsugaru I respect this man's impeccable knowledge
@@ravenhunter1355 Aww, thanks! Not a man, but still appreciate the sentiment. 😊
That would make sense, but the Jedi seemed to be very rigid and tradition based, for example they wore robes rather than even minimal protective equipment, and didn't use blasters not even the stun variety. Considering how much it must cost to raise, train, house, and equip a jedi it'd have been smart for them to provide them with better equipment. However, it wasn't traditional to do so, so they didn't.
Fun fact while shields are ubiquitous in Dune they are not used on the titular planet also known as Arrakis because shields drew in sand worms.
It’s the exact same story as how plate armor fell out of style in the real world. As with personal energy shields, there’s no sense in equipping soldiers with armor that could be easily destroyed with a single powerful bullet.
I think it was more an issue of weight than anything. That and materials improved beyond what plate could offer. Modern soldiers still wear armor.
@@ReshyShira it's also a matter of impact absorption, metal isn't very good with that since it can't spread the energy out and instead transfers it directly to your body, a bullet is essentially a blunt weapon that has the capability to also pierce through the armor.
@@bobabubble3628 Yeah dissipating energy is important for reducing impact. But saying that we don't wear plate armor isn't to say we don't give our soldiers armor.
@@ReshyShira The emphasis here is 'plate armor', not armor in general. Star Wars' equivalent of our modern day body armor is the armored suits that soldiers are already wearing, with our plate armor being their personal energy shields. Just like our body armor, their armored suits ain't meant to tank everything, they're not meant for taking punishments after punishments & coming out just fine, just enough to let combatants wearing them stay alive. On the contrary, just like how it was with our medieval plate armor, their personal shields are meant to soak in everything that they're built to take, be it energy or kinetic or both. Personal energy shields are simply no longer relevant because they eventually fail at doing what they're supposed to, just like how medieval plate armor just flat out fail at tanking even just 2 high caliber rounds.
plate armor didnt fall out of favor because of bullets, full plate was almost exclusively used AFTER the invention of the gun in fact. it fell out of favor due to two factors, one was advancements in artillery. better, faster, more accurate cannons rendered alot of expensive armor moot. full breast plates and cuirasses however would remain popular until the early 1700s. the second big shift was in how wars were fought as a result of those same cannon advancements. prior armies were largely comprised of nobles (the ones wearing the full plate) and Levied peasants for numbers. very few would maintain professional armies. however once cannons became "too good" most were reluctant to send their nobles nor their own workforce into battles where a cannon barrage could cripple their lands even if they won the battle, so a major shift towards using mercenary troops occurred. mercenaries were the primary fighting force of nearly every sovereign polity for nearly the full duration of the renaissance, only finally being replaced by professional trained militaries once imperialism kicked off.
It's actually unclear in Commando armor actually HAD shields, or if the shield bar in the video game was representing an ability of the armor itself to shed heat. The shields don't get mentioned at all in the novels.
Good point. Another point.. spell check.
I don't buy that someone not dying instantly from a blaster shot rather than after a couple is a good justification for not using them: Most bullets IRL miss their targets, and likely same deal with blaster bolts. There's a reason why suppressive fire rarely causes casualties, but is there to pin people down. However, being able to soak up a stray blaster shot or two is definitely worth the cost compared to needing to recruit, train, equip, and transport a new soldier to the front line to replace the loss. Modern day american military pays about 100-200k per soldier, so paying an extra 10-20k to have their survival rate increased dramatically would save a lot of money in the long run. However, you could say that it doesn't look very good on paper to give everyone a shield because the costs to replace losses aren't as readily apparent to paper pushers.
If it costs 100k to Equip and train a soldier, adding a personal energy shield would bring that cost up to 500k.
Militaries always go for the lowest bidder
@@Kingdomkey123678 Not always, that's like saying why equip armor to soldiers, if they get hit they're still likely out of the action. The armor is still important though, and a shield would be even more important. Part of this is for morale, you want your soldiers to fight with confidence. Part of it is that if say you flip the numbers around where training and equipping a typical soldier is 500k, and the energy shield is 100k, it's a drop in the bucket respectively.
@@ReshyShira
The point I was trying to get across was that in the Star Wars universe modern full body energy shields for organic users are prohibitively expense even with any cost savings you would get from mass production.
Thus making them impractical for any major military’s primary infantry loadout.
5:09 the best way to improve your energy shield use the exotic Ursa Furiosa and paracausal void light in the form of the banner shield.
I'd prefer the Helm of Saint-14 to form a bubble (pre Void 3.0)
This makes a lot of sense considering military grade blasters like the Clone Trooper DC-15 Blaster Rifle has blaster bolts that fire on max settings roughly equivalent to multiple lightning bolts per shot on max power settings. Most personal shields would need insane amounts of power to function under that kind of hand held firepower. Clones are practically walking lightning bolts when it comes to their fire power. Plus add the fact that Clones were genetically enhanced to peak human physical capabilities, then trained under the most extreme of circumstances. Then suiting them in ballistic proof armor. An average clone would be a walking tank amongst most other Sci-Fi soldiers. Somewhere in between Spartans and Space Marines,
Clone Troopers are more or less like Spartan 3s.
*edit*
Now that I think about it... What exactly are the potential and theoretical ballistics of Clone Trooper armor?
Is it more like some type of light weight EOD suit but made entirely of an inexpensive hardened flexible polymer?
It is meant for Blaster bolts and dissipates the heat and kinetic energy over the armor surface but... 🤔
Blaster bolts are more powerful than conventional bullets by far.
@@justjoking5841 Not quite, clones are physically inferior to Spartan’s clones are basically peak humans where as Spartan’s are enhanced humans. That being said, Clone equipment and weaponry is vastly superior to anything both the UNSC and the Covenant have to offer. Even un-shielded as they are, their armor would be able to withstand anything ground infantry in the halo universe could dish out. Close combat would a different game, with heavy advantage in favor of the Spartans and mild advantages to the Covenant due to the Elites, Brutes, etc.
@@justjoking5841 It’s hard to tell with the ballistic limits of Clone Armor, as their body gloves are shrapnel proof. That being said, it really does depend on how strong and how piercing focused the ballistic weapon is. Blaster bolts can be set to various setting ranging from pinpoint precision to explosive blasts that have an area of effect. And considering that most clone armor is meant to stop energy weapons from impacting the point of blast with its complete yield. So it’s hard to tell for sure.
0:01 I miss Mara Jade and wished we had her than Rey Palpatine
A Wookie with a large Handheld Force Shield in one hand and a MWC-35c "Staccato Lightning" repeating cannon [Baze's Minigun from Rogue One] held with the other would be a very effective combatant.
The powerpacks would not be cumbersome, more like bumbags or cross body bags than rucksacks.
And if you've got a lifespan of 400 years, investing in some quality hardware is a good long term decision. It's not like you're blowing money on fast fashion, or clothing in general - although a kilt would be nice for hygiene reasons.
What have you created?!
@@CollinMcLean A god.
All hail the wookie god of war.
8:35: Well, I am gonna reread Dune and Dune Messiah. Maybe even rewatch Denis Villeneuve's Part 1 film of the former book.
Not sure if I should continue on with Children of Dune to God-Emperor of Dune... but first, I have to finish up on Neil Garman's Trigger Warnings. Recently got a good snatch of good books, so...
Clones: can we have energyshield?
Papa Palpatine: Best i can do is death...
Though in both TCW and Rebels, the Mandalorian melee shield did absorb blaster bolts, and wasn't just for melee combat, from what I remember.
There's a scene from the Rebels series, where Sabine flew towards an Imperial AT-DP wielding the Dark Saber, but it fired on her before she got to it, so she ended up activating her personal shield last minute, but she got blown outta the sky; she survived, but I'd suspect that the shield was pretty much useless after absorbing a blast like that.
Also in TCW season 5/7 too I think.
Lol I remember radiation was the biggest con
Because Regenerating energy shields give you cancer. And Kyle Katarn stole all the powercells for the battery powered ones that don't give you cancer.
@@DIEGhostfish no wonder why they use double A batteries
I assumed it was just price
personal Energy shields well make star wars battles very difficult
Clone troopers phase 2: sergeant on deck! *salute*
There are times, when the best offence is a good defence.
5:08 didn’t know Titans from Destiny were a part of the sith
Did you run out of Star Wars shield images?
Anyone who's played battlefront 2 will know full hand personal shields are not going to protect like droidekas shields they can eat like 6-7 blaster bolts before recharge
The Senate’s power is a shield in itself.
The reasons: a loada bull
Prequel technology: too advanced dont make sense
It's funny I never read or saw dune yet my favorite interpretation of shields apparently came from that. At the time I was just thinking about shields and my idea was exactly the same as dune. I thought I was pretty creative till I found out about dune lol.
Good job on the personal energy shield video 10/10.
I wonder if any Ancient Jedi used energy shields akin to medieval Knights?
*sees description quote* Yeah, not a fan of Doylist explanations. Still, Dune sure is a worthwhile treasure trove of concepts worth borrowing.
Those things look expensive.
There is never enough shielding
I know that this is not a cannon, but I always thought that a energy shield should make it easier for someone to track the user. Every time somebody uses a energy shield it should be like jumping up and down and shouting to be shot at.
Guess no Jedi figured out to just pick them up with the force and chuck them across the room, off the cliff, etc
Hey geetslys, could you make a video on your thoughts on how Disney handles the empire/first order? Thanks!
At 5:10, you can see a Destiny Titan with Ancient Apocalypse armor and Sentinel Shield
Imagine if someone in that galaxy far, far away figured out miniaturized fusion reactors (e.g. Tony Stark's Arc Reactor)...
Well they already have small backpack sized fusion reactors. So it would be less revolutionary than you probably think to get iron-man fusion reactors.
5:09 If energy shields could be thrown…
I did enjoy how Kotor showed us a time in the galaxy where defense was winning the eternal technological arms race with offense and created a situation where you have soldiers using whole ass metal swords while boarding space ships. In a way it also makes stormtrooper style armor in the movie era make a bit more sense. Blasters are so damn powerful that your options for defense are a full suit of armor that protects from environmental hazards and battlefield dangers while letting you survive glancing blows and potentially making direct hits survivable or a single piece of equipment that only stops actual blaster bolts and even then you're lucky if it manages to actually absorb more than one shot before failing all while still being far and away more expensive than the whole suit of armor.
With all this information we can say the only reason the Republic were able to give republic commandos personal energy shields is because republic commandos were not as common as clone troopers so less cost involved
5:10 That guy looks like he's in the wrong universe lol Kinda looks like a Titan from Destiny 2
Some lore I've read says that it's actually hazardous to your health with radiation from either the shield or power supply.
Other stuff says that the requisite power supply is mobility impeding, though this depends on the design.
Finally, cost and availability are likely issues. The best shields are going to be both rare and expensive.
Because they ate through batteries on an insane basis.
"The Imperials think I'm somehow immortal, but I just have a good supply of power cells."
- Kyle Katarn..
Question to the team of this channel and the others who saw this comment, what do you guys think of those Star Wars Anime Openings? And which one you guys like the most? I like the ones with Gurenge and SIlent Solitude songs the most!
I would still prefer to get a protection from even a FEW blaster bolts - instead of having to eat them xD
"How are you powering that shield?"
"Personal battery pack. Why?"
"You know those only last for a few minutes?"
*shield dies as battery runs out of power*
"Oh no! Honeybunch, help!"
Dude, Dune has been my favourite novel since *loooong* before any of these sweet summer children finally got around to cracking it open and realizing how great it is. It and its 5 sequels (you heard me) are simply some of the best sci-fi literature full stop (well, the first 3 at least; Heretics and Chapterhouse aren't bad, just less good). The rise of Dune content ever since Dune (2021) has been great, but the icing on the cake has been all the people I get to say "told you so!" to now that they finally got around to actually reading it.
It is the same reason why we don't see metal armour on the battlefield anymore
But we do, steel is the most common kind of plate used in military bullet resistant vests
@@Kingdomkey123678 composite armor is where it is at. Effective pure steel armor is way too heavy. The ak might be the most used platform but that doesn't make it the best.
I love this channel
Thanks man!
Literally had this question and it brought me here. I was more or less wondering though why didn’t the Jedi use personal shields like the Spartans, I understand they didn’t want to seem like a war type race and keeping everything simple. Yet like obi and anakin they used clone armor to help against blasters. Why not use a hand held shield made of beskaar. I just don’t why the Jedi didn’t have more protection than just force tricks/lightsaber.
Cheers. The dune audiobooks are wonderful and easier to digest. Imo
Because it would be counted as cheating against plot armor.
Yeah, it's the same reason the CIS didn't outfit its droids with all the weapons and tactics HK-47 stated made killing Jedi fairly easy. The movie's gotta happen.
I don't think Kyle's shield was a bubble, in thr game it seemed form fitting
Because presumably the energy from the hits has to go somewhere, so when the shield overloads it will explode.
Hey technically if they were to put up the energy Shield wouldn't they be able to shoot? I always ask that question even as a little kid when I first saw the prequels
War droids had polarized shields, meaning the bolts from their polarized blasters could pass through it without difficulty whilst also repelling any blaster bolt that didn't share the same polarization.
heres something to think about
what if you had multiple energy shields that where wrist or belt mounted? going in a Mon Cala style of defence
and if that worked then you could possibly make more of these like bicep, shin and thigh mounted PESs
thats 2 wrists, 2 biceps, 2 shins, 2 thighs and probably around 6-8 belt mounted PESs for about 16 shields and more if you consider using like a modern military web vest or bandoliers
you could also add all these to some commando armor if you could find it
I always assumed that personal energy shields were expensive; not many people could afford it. Didn't think there was more to it.
I wonder when this point was reached of discarding shields. Was it during the Old Republic era and the war with the Resurgent Sith Empire? Or after? Going by SWTOR, shields are able to be used by the player classes with tank specialisations, and some tankier enemies seem to have them as well.
I swear, even in BF2, Heavies (and maybe Specialists) don't use their personal shields as often nowadays
Don't forget the scorpenek annihilator droid from legends and the book of boba fett.
Soldiers without personal energy shields? How ancient of them, always have energy shields for every Multiversal threat prerogative possible.
If B2 battledroids had shield it would be such a game changer in the clone wars.
The doom guy shields
No Droidekas???
Dune is one of the best books I’ve ever read. 10/10 would recommend
5:11 didnt know titans were a thing in sw
True to Warthunder : No armor = best armor
If Star Wars had Dune-like Shields, Cara Dune could show off her wrestle moves more...
one point is that you just need a bit heavier blaster and your shield is worthless
To quote Lucas fox from Batman begins not every soldier is worth 300 grand
I have been waiting all day for a vedio
In the saga edition RPG an individual droideka is only a CR 4 threat....but it can TPK a part twice it's level. The shield is a HUGE benefit but the game mechanics of having one on more than a few individual characters who don't need to be all that mobile makes it difficult to replicate the benefit for players.
Dune. The spice must flow
Hmmm... had the writers of episodes 7 to 9 had brains... The First Order could have revived personal shielding technology, after all they had Kyber Cristal technology... Even worse, used that tech for upgrading existing shielding overall... They could have been almost unstoppable... And they hollowed our Illum... They had enough resources... At least for elite troops...
"Had the writers of episodes 7 to 9 had brains" can be said about a lot of things in those movies
Imagine a counter attack at the opening of the last jedi, where the remaining new republic fleet that wasnt destroyed in the initial attack which was still very powerful canme in at full force, trying to defend a planet base, at the beggining the republic was winning the ground battle then reinforcements arrive, as a small elite fleet came out of hyperspace stalling the republic fleet long enough for landing craft to land and decimate the new republic forces, and took little casualties as their shield absorbed all of the damage
This is the type if technology that deserves more *Investment* they are far much valuable compared to death star esque megastructures
Why?
@@papapalps2415 this tech has immense potential
Oh yeah, in KotOR they are everywhere XD
With merchants going as far as advertising them as Lightsaber proof >w
I’d say swtor republic was the most advanced the republic ever got in Star Wars in terms of technology.
Hmmm.... Maybe I should take the hint and read Dune... for the 28th time. That's NOT an exaggeration.
Master, Destroyers.
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I think there's an even better answer to why clone troopers didn't adopt shields: Shielded clone troopers are more immune to light sabers. New army. New tech. The jedi needed to be able to kill their clonies in droves if push came to shove. And shields made that impossible. Sci fi militarys do this kind of stuff all the time. And if you don't buy that the jedi were as pure as they seem, it's not out of the question. Something to think about.
Still think they could have made an appearance even if it was brief and for limited uses.
Lost Tech ?
I hate the "blasters just got better" explanation
Irl body armor wont even save you from a single shot but we still issue it.
Gotta remember that after firearms became dominant, personal body armor fell out of fashion for centuries on earth. It’s only recently begun to make a comeback thank to material science advancement
Didn't personal shields fall out of use because StarWars went from lazers to plasma based weapons which essentially rendered them useless? I mean sure droidekas and stuff had them but those were rare and expensive to make.
prise and radiotion
Budgetary constraints...
Reason 1: Stupid expensive.
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Sounds to me them Ichani energy shields woulda been VERY useful for the Jedi.. especially during the Clone wars. Since Jedi favored close combat too when they fought. An majority of their enemy's weapons were energy or sometimes projectile based too.
Also a big Dune fan an read books from MOST all of it's Historic Periods too. It's about the only franchise with as well developed lore and just as huge book series as this franchise.
Hm, how very interesting.
I will save you 9 minutes...the reason personal shields weren't more common is because of cost. Nothing else. It was expensive to manufacture an effective and safe shield
“Begging the question” is a logical fallacy in which Circular reasoning is employed. It’s not the same thing as “raising a question”.
Don’t you mean ‘read dune again’?
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I wish you'd get to the point quicker. I mean, make it more interesting and efficient and you'll get more views. At least cut down two minutes at least. Jeez.
Personal (Energy)Shields are the laziest storytelling fad ever introduced to Star Wars. It is simply stupid,
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