2021 Sienna Hybrid Part 2 : The Most Efficient People Hauler
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- Looking for the most efficient 3-row people mover that still runs on gas? That's arguably the new 2021 Sienna. For 2021 Toyota swapped out the V6 for a standard hybrid system that trades a second in 0-60 for a whopping 90% improvement in fuel economy.
Note: The XSE does get a tweaked suspension. Toyota clarified that after we shot this video.
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My bad, the XSE does get adjusted spring rates. The difference isn't large however.
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Hi when Toyota Sienna will coming in us market
When Toyota Sienna 2021 will release official price for van
I want to what is the price for XSE trim and xLE trim
Price start 34,400-51,000 about...Le fwd-platium awd
Toyota Sienna is number one as for all other Toyota vehicles. Toyota is the most reliable and has the longest life span is already known but more importantly, the spare parts logistics and dealer service is the best and at a level above the rest of the industry.
The content of your review is top notch. It's based on facts and figures where appropriate and when you're giving a subjective rating you clearly state your reasoning. Thanks for providing a great service for all car purchasers.
Just traded off a 2018 Kia Sorento to a very well-loved 2012 Sienna AWD Limited. Unbelievably, the 8-year-old Sienna has a better ride, and interior fit and finish than our Kia did. The Sienna was also our first minivan, and we may never go back to an SUV. It's a tough call between this and the Honda, either way, it will be a fully loaded van as these options/features are very welcome on long road trips. At first, I was upset the V6 went away as it's so refined at this point, but it sounds like Toyota's hybrid solution will be a welcomed addition. Thank you for such a great review. I look forward to a more in-depth one in the future
Does not surprise me at all. The "cool" SUVs come at the expense of ride, space, and fuel economy as well. We have a 2011 Sienna which just passed 240,000 miles with virtually no issues - there's that too!! One of my kids has a Kia - no comparison. BTW, our Sienna replace an Odyssey - worst vehicle I ever owned, nothing but problems (it was well cared for). FYI, I've owned all Toyotas and Mazdas other than the Honda so my reliability standard is pretty high.
I drove a 2019 Pacifica Limited plug-in for a year and it was a pleasure. No issues. If I was to buy a new van now, not having removable 2nd row is a deal killer. Hopefully Toyota “fixes” this problem later.
They won't and the Pacifica and Odyssey will probably lose it soon too.
The IIHS just this month changed their side crash rig to wrap around the pillars to hit passengers inside. Side body airbags in the second row are pretty much going to be a must to pass the new test.
So I listened to you and after everything because my wife only commutes 25 miles a day I bought the new 2020 Pacifica hybrid limited loaded MSRP was 52200 after rebates and incentives total came to 39000 plus the 7500 fed tax credit!! Chrysler won me over
After all is said and done, Alex is my go-to guy for concise, entertaining reviews without the 4 letter words, and fluff. The best.
Agreed.
4 letter word?
I enjoy his reviews - there’s times when he doesn’t have the data and just guesses information such as fuel economy.
@@davidchen4946 I find Alex to be very detailed and precise with most of his info including fuel economy (both EPA and his own test numbers).
Big deal, there's plenty good, like red line reviews. Alex is okay👌
Best vehicle reviews channel in TH-cam
A Sienna Prime would a flawless victory.
It would probably cost about $60 grand?
Plus a panoramic roof option🤪
How much would you be willing to pay for a Sienna Prime?
Would be nice to have a turbo inline 4 that decouples at cruising speed to maintain the 35 MPG highway. I would take that over a Prime.
What’s a prime
I've gotten over my disappointment after my test drive. I can live with the droning sound. The pickup is good enough, I'm not going to remove the 2nd seats, this is for my 5 children.
I love my mom's Pacifica too but I tend to drive my cars to the very end and I'm not sure the Pacifica can do that, no offense to my Pacifica friends.
Glad to hear you found the driving experience to be decent. I’m still waiting for my dealer to get some in stock.
I highly recommend you check out The Car Care Nut’s video called “Should you buy a Toyota hybrid”. It has some great tips on how you can do some very simple maintenance on the hybrid battery to make it last for up to 20 years or 300k miles!
@@ikelee Yeah, my dealer only had 4 but none was in the color we liked.
Great Video... The inability to remove the second row seats was the only reason I didn't purchase this vehicle today. The dealership took me to their shop to try to discover any possible work-around, but we could not find one without eliminating the vehicle's entire airbag system. Such a waste of great turn-key utility.
The reason the Sienna doesn't have removable seats is because of airbags that you don't have to unplug and replug in. You can still get a full sheet of plywood in the Sienna by pushing the seats forward . And most people never remove their seats so that's not a big deal . I'm sure the Pacifica because of Chrysler's bad repair record would not pay to have another Chrysler product.
I think the reason the engine noise is more pronounced in the minivan is because it is much closer to the driver. Minivans have really short fronts and the engine sits well back while the SUV has more of the engine in the longer engine bay. Just look at the front from the side and see how much further the front wheels are from the A pillar in the SUV versus the Minivan.
This engine seems noisy in the Rav4 tests too.
I think this will appeal to anyone looking for a roomy hybrid, not just those looking at minivans. I find the comparisons with the highlander helpful, curious about the hybrid sorento.
If Toyota could have shaved about $1000 to $1500 off the MSRP then they'd make a compelling argument of being one of the best values. But they not only ask for a significant more money, they make the spare tire optional, rear entertainment optional (compared to the Odyssey which is standard eq at the higher trims) and make the second row seats irremovable. The XSE trim, being the sportier trim level, should have at least come with an optional V6. For the current pricing they should have more standard equipment. With no fridge or vacuum, there's little reason to buy the Platinum over the Limited versions.
@Eat Jat To get a real idea of gas savings you would have to comparably equip say the Odyssey and the Sienna which means adding even more money into the Sienna to have the spare tires and a rear entertainment system which will probably set you back another two grand. You're probably looking at 5-6 years of breaking even on the gas savings.
My favorite part of every AoA review is when he points down to the comments.
A few years back, I was wondering why Toyota hadn't made a Hybrid Sienna. Seemed like a really good idea. A lot of cab companies use the Sienna since the Crown Vic was discontinued. Odds are Toyota had already started work at that moment I was wondering.
You may be interested to learn Toyota makes a purpose-built, Hybrid taxi for the Japanese market. Just picture one of those famous London taxis without a filthy plume of toxic Diesel particulates trailing in its wake. :-) RIP Crown Victoria :-(
I test drove the new Sienna and it was under powered. I would be very worried to have 5 to 6 people with luggage onboard. I think it would be very difficult to pass any vehicle quickly and safely. Not to mention going up hill would not be good. I noticed immediately that the Sienna 4 cylinder is very loud when giving more gas when needed with very little result. The seats not coming out on the 2nd row is such a waist and lastly I was very disappointed when I got in the 2nd and 3rd row and found how cheap the materials are. A good example is the rear cup holds are attached to the very thin side wall and it actually shakes when you mess with the cup holder. The last thing that really turned me off was the breaking system. Those breaks are so grabby and very difficult to adjust to. I have driven hybrids before but wow! Not good....I went to go and buy a Sienna that day but left with no Sienna due to the disappointment in it. They really should of left that V6 in it. Instead we are going to purchase a much more refined 2021 Pacifica Hybrid. Love your show man. Always good info.
Great video as always. It is good to see hybrid technology finally starting to move into more types of vehicles. I hope that Kia, Honda, GM and others will electrify more of their vehicles, following Toyota‘a trend.
The room and efficiency is amazing
Please have a test between the 2021 Pacifica and the 2021 Sienna. Very interested in AWD capabilities of both vehicles and how they handle in snowy conditions. also like another commenter stated, if they turn the sienna into a phev they can have my money right now even though my current lease isn't up till Mar 2021.
Please do a comparison of the new Sienna against the plug-in hybrid Pacifica.
+1
Please next on Pacifica Vs Sienna ,Thank you Alex!
Just cancelled my trip to pick up a Highlander XLE in opulent amber and instructed my salesperson to let me know what I need to do to get a Sienna xse AWD in Parisian midnight
Minivans are the best, and this new Sienna is perfect apart from its non-removable second-row seats.
I would like to see a review of the base Sienna. With the full safety suit, it seems like a great deal.
you are exactly correct, in city this thing will save you even more gas, with heavy traffics? a lot more.
This is officially the best vehicle ever made.
Love Alex's comprehensive videos. Any thoughts on a Sienna Prime coming out?
Holy COW 36 MPG is Amazing.
In real world driving it can get closer to 40 mpg!
That is with carrying a single person only.
Add in 2-3 more passengers, their luggage and I would love to see if it can touch even 25 mpg.
@@silentrefusal9911 Keep in mind under the same condition, non-hybrid option minivans will have even worse MPG than Sienna. So if one is looking for better MPG and minivan, options are very limited, and Sienna is actually one of the better options out there.
So it’s bigger than a Highlander, same mpg as the Highlander, and it’s cheaper.
With that combo the Highlander’s practically useless
So The highlander is just for people who want a bigger RAV4 or venza
People who's ego is offended if they drive a minivan. That's who the Highlander is for.
Not exactly, considering the fact that the Highlander will have more ground clearance, a much higher driving position and doesn't look like a minivan. If those options were on the Sienna, most people would pay the extra $2k
@@InvestBetter. the sienna even gets more tech than the Highlander minus the panoramic roof
naveenthemachine
The venza, and that new corolla crossover abomination that’s smaller than RAV4 but bigger than CHR are both useless imo.
Highlander is more useless since there’s the sequoia bigger and better at everything minus gas and pricing. Too much redundancy imo
Good as always, both Alex's video and Sienna
I just wish the seats came out.
Agreed. I think this is a BIG Toyota mis-step. I am looking to purchase a 2020 or maybe a Chrysler instead.
@@sgcole111 Stay away from the Chrysler. Not only is it unreliable, but I heard stow and go is a gimmick. The second row seats are pretty uncomfortable and low to the ground because of the stow and go
Not removable seats 💺 is the deal breaker. How stupid Toyotas are. lol
Alex didnt mention it here, but in the first review he noted that this is because the airbags travel with the seats. Tradeoff: removability vs. added safety. Your call, were I hauling my family, I think I'd sacrifice the convenience for the latest in safety tech.
@@joec1774 that I didn’t know earlier. Thanks for the insight 🙏
But recharge time on the Pacifica is 14hrs unless you step up to the rapid charger and the it drops to 2hrs. Stepped up charger is something like $2k dollars.
Solid review, as always. Did Toyota mention if the gas tank size is still around 21/22 gallons. One can go very far on a full tank of gas.
It's 20 gallons in the 2021 Sienna Hybrid
Lost 50 Big Banging Horse Power!! WoW. Bring back the V6 Hybrid Please!
V6 is less efficient and heavier, and probably won't last as long.
Since only the Sienna and the Pacifica have AWD options they seem like direct competitors to me!
Issue we notice with the Pacifica Hybrid is that it vibrate the van a lot when the engine comes on to charge the battery or when it comes on in general. It's not smooth. We know someone that have it and they have issue with the Pacifica Hybrid going into brick mode. Won't turn on anymore and you have to get it tow. I would stick with the Toyota Hybrid system as it seem more refine. FCA need to fix all the bugs in theirs. Spec wise, Pacifica Hybrid looks better on paper for us.
It would be cool if you gave us L/100km
sincerely,
Canadian viewer.
I enjoy your videos.
Just divide 235 by one to get the other. Works both ways.
As a Canadian, I would like a reference to miles per Imperial gallon but it only takes a minute to do the math.
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What are your thoughts on vehicle to fit 6 people? We are 4 adult ( including my parents ) plus 2 kid. 1 in infant seat and 1 will transit soon to booster seat. No adult is taller than 5 ft 8 inch and average built . My favourite are 2021 sienna, pacifica hybrid ( new and used hybrid ), toyota highlander and vw atlas. Hybrids are in my plate due to their fuel economy. I have looked some used sienna but i end up paying close to new price and price difference can be achieved in some years in fuel savings. My average driving mileage is about 10 to 12k per year. Thanks. Like your videos.
they should've use a v6 hybrid as in the lexus rx hybrid.
Alex, Who would have #predicted an ALL Hybrid Sienna? Oh wait, I did in your comments sections a couple of years ago ;-) A minivan with 35+ MPG, 3,500 lbs tow rating and AWD, what's not to like?
so Toyota think people need 8 seats don’t need or like the sporty styling or luxury features in the upper trim models??
You could probably get over 40 miles per gallon if you keep your speed around 60 miles per hour or under or under on the interstate
135 ft for breaking from 60 to 0 MPH is unacceptable. I was expecting less than 130 ft. 5 feet difference can mean getting involved in a crash to not getting into one. For comparison, 2020 Honda Odyssey stops at 125 ft.
Maybe add bigger brakes?
You post hte best reviews
Please stop comparing any Toyota product to a FC product. Anyone who knows the slights about cars would not cross shop these two vehicles. After decades the FC cannot produce a reliable ICE vehicle, do you really trust their Hybrid? Good luck finding an FC mechanic who would know how to work on a Hybrid. I can't even find an FC mechanic who knows how to fix a Ram Promaster. I agree with Toyota on the competition for this vehicle.
Really awesome comparisons and driving impressions - thorough and data driven. Love it. Thanks. One note - yes, the second row is not removable, but does the Pacifica PHEV (or other minivans) afford the same airbag coverage for those rows that the Sienna does. It's a family vehicle, and this feels worth noting alongside the (disappointing) inability to remove.
I am not familiar with Hybrid systems but I am curious why an extra 52hp motor in the rear doesn't add to the total power.
The total power is limited by the current that can be provided by the hybrid battery and the motor inverter.
Energy has to come from somewhere. Battery pack is too small. Interior space would have to be noticeably compromised for a larger battery pack and that would weigh the car down more, need a beefier suspension, tires, etc. All that ends up costing a lot more money.
The reliability of Pacifica is a deal breaker for me
Actually pacifica'reliability is not bad at all.
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Pacifica reliability is absolute crap. I know because I own a 2017 Pacifica Limited and it is the second worst vehicle we have ever owned, behind another FCA product: 2009 Ram 1500. We came from a 2012 Honda Odyssey which was bulletproof, to the Pacifica, which 4 years later still has all kinds of problems the dealer has been unable to fix after multiple dealership visits. We've given up trying to get it fixed at this point.
@@mattspeer01 "Lemon Law" it!
I think the 2021 Pacifica Hybrid is the main competitor for the 2021 Sienna. Toyota seemingly has some stiff competition for the Highlander Hybrid and Sienna Hybrid.
Assuming you're ready to make the decision to go for a hybrid minivan over Toyota's own Highlander Hybrid, do you want to go one step further and get a plug-in hybrid minivan (Chrysler Pacifica Hybrid)?
If you aren't willing, or don't need, to buy a minivan, but you are ready to buy a Hybrid 3-row Crossover, do you want to go one step further and get a plug-in hybrid 3-row crossover (Kia Sorento PHEV)?
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the little sneak peek we get of the dashboard looks pretty cool. I like the screen, the transmission looks like it's in a decent place...
I like the dashboard layout too the bridge console they are using is quite neat
@@naveenthemachine yes...it looks pretty smooth and easy to use hopefully
@@thelegend7.0 there are hard buttons and knobs for the infotainment and toggles for the climate control. What’s not to like?
@@naveenthemachine dunno man, someone's gonna find something to rant about
(maybe not...)
We Consumers won’t but pretty much all if not most automotive journalists will and they’ll nitpick like it’s a big deal
Can you help find out why toyota didn't put the rav4 prime plugin hybrid powertrain in the sienna?
Because they will sell you an upgrade in a new package. !!
0-60 in 8.4 is very good for 36mpg for a vehicle this size. I'd gladly trade a lower 0-60 for that kind of MPG.
I love his reviews!
I really wish you would start doing acceleration and stopping tests for minivans and SUVs at or near max loaded weight. I bet this hybrid is a real dog loaded vs its V6 competitors. The non-removable rear seats are also a deal breaker for me.
I bought a 2020 Odyssey last year but would totally trade in for this if I wouldn’t get completely hosed by the dealer.
They should have made this a plugin...
If Toyota can’t even manage to make enough RAV4 Primes to meet demand I can’t see a Sienna Prime anytime soon. Logically they will make Highlander Prime next
That engine is noisy,compared to V6 but good mpg ,wait 2 years maybe for better priced used one.Shame there is no prime option.
Hi Alex,
Good Morning,
Did you try a passing?, I will be using the Sienna primarily on high speed open roads with one lane each way, so passings is a key safety point for me.
I currently drive a 2013 Honda Odyssey Touring for the family and a 2019 Toyota RAV4 Hybrid Limited as personal and utilitarian car.
Great channel by the way !
Many thanks for you answer.
There is no way that the Toyota can compete against the PHEV pacific. I understand you like Toyota but now that I own one and seeing your video I understand why Toyota does not want you to compare the two because their is none!!! Toyota can’t match the efficiency of the Pacifica!! I bet over 10k miles the Pacifica blows the Sienna out of the water!! Smooth quite and it moves like no other minivan I have ever driven. Pacifica is America’s best kept secret!!!
How would you rate of Pacifica in terms of reliability?
Is there any word on release date yet?
Very informative video, wish your channel continued successful!!!
Alex, Which model provides the best value? I am open to AWD model, but not a must. I always value your opinion. Thanks.
How much stronger is the body? The ladt gen was made from jelly.
Test drove 3 of them yesterday, liked the xle handling better, but the engine acceleration noise annoyed the hell out of me errr. They should have had a V6 option, replacing the battery is way too expensive, you can always get a third party battery but good luck getting one to last as long as the original one. Might just get a 2020 with the V6.
Battery replacement isn’t an issue unless you’re going to keep it for more than 10 years or more than 150,000 miles (that’s the warranty). Even then it is very likely to go far beyond that with a little filter maintenance now and then.
if you want something reliable and doesn't loose 80% resale in 5 years dont look at the pacifica. LOL
I like how Toyota designed the dashboard but they shall have added that in a more flagship car
When’s the Pacifica review coming?
I think Toyota made the right decision going with a hybrid over a V6 with cylinder deactivation
With the exception of the waving your foot underneath the car to open doors and non removal of seats, having the spare tire underneath the car like the Sedona, I think the 2021 Sienna (any trim level) is the way to go. If Toyota does what Kia does where the back doors open automatically within 3 seconds instead of doing the hokey pokey on a patch of ice carrying your kid or groceries that would be the best way. Also removable of seats is super important. While in theory the stow and go seats are great idea, the actual seats are not comfortable at all. Honda is falling behind.
Hi, Alex. What's the GVWR (important for business use)?
Google it
6170lbs
I'd like to see a comparison between the AWD Sienna & the AWD Pacifica
No fridge yet?
I'll have to get a Cullinan instead then.
It does have a fridge do some research
@@Da323Guy
Sigh
Not at launch. There are supplier problems. Watch the vid, numbnuts.
Hahahahah.
Come back in 2022, Toyota dealer will be more than happy to take your trade-in Cullinan at its half price ;)
Ok, have fun. That repair bill is gonna shock you...
@@papercut1987 yep mega depreciation
The only question I ask myself is what color should I get.
According to Donut Media, black, white and silver are the most popular colours. I’m really liking the Blueprint though!
Green
Honestly, 0-60 Doesn't matter to me that much as long as its fast enough to get up to highway speeds fast enough. and fuel economy.
According to Motor Trend the 2021 Sienna’s 0-60 time is 7.9 seconds vs the 2018 Sienna’s 7.1.
So less than a second slower but significantly better fuel economy especially if you can get 44mpg like Edmunds did!
Alex does the sienna require premium fuel or recommended? Or it can run on regular fuel?
I would be shocked if it required premium fuel. Toyota hybrids run on standard octane.
it's not a turbo , it's a hybrid with an Atkinson low compression cycle engine
No
runs on regular 87
Hi Alex, great video as always, one think only, i think you forgot to say the XLE trim price
The biggest deal breaker for me is the non-removeable 2nd row seats. What a shame. I was looking to upgrade, but It looks like I'll continue to drive my 2011 Sienna.
The seats can be removed but not so conveniently. You just need to remove 4 bolts and unclip a wiring harness. Then the seats will come out.
At least for me the pacifica plug in Hybrid would makes more since. with its 32 miles of ev range it would cover most if not all the daily driving needs.
Have been waiting for this.
and you can get better fuel economy if you keep it around 50 my Prius was rated at 45 and I would get over 50 miles a gallon at 50 miles an hour
There is no Sienna Hybrid Part 1 and there is no link in the description as you said unless you mean merch.
Can the 2021 Sienna be flat towed? I always enjoy your reviews. Thanks!
Can't wait to see the new Pacifica AWD.
Will you do a towing video with the 2021 Sienna and a 3,500 lb trailer?
compare it to the Sequoia.
The Sienna will be cross shopped often against the Odyssey and rarely against the Pacifica Hybrid. The Odyssey outsells the Pacifica Hybrid around 10:1. Pacifica Hybrid is a niche player in the segment not the primary competition for one of the main stream entries come on @alex
Great footage. Thank you.
They should add their v6 hybrid engine as an option.
Current Highlander does not have a V6-hybrid option.
@@joec1774 I know. I was talking about the one in the lexus rx and previous highlander
@@mdfree972 - the lexus RX and previous highlander ride a different platform than this
@@joec1774 I know. Basically I was saying they should have designed the minivan to fit the v6 hybrid engine for those who want the same power as the previous sienna. And it would have better fuel economy than the previous v6 sienna.
You pay half of the tag price for the reliability from Toyota!
Planning on buying something to travel in after the Wu-Flu is done, but want to convert into a camper. So second row seats would have to be removable. That is a deal breaker. I wonder if it has "pet" mode on the heat and ac like a Prius or Tesla?
The seats can be removed but not so conveniently. You just need to remove 4 bolts and unclip a wiring harness. Then the seats will come out.
2022 sedona is the way
Wow, this is a big game changer in minivan market. As lame as that sentence sounds...
It is a fair comment. This Sienna Hybrid will have a similar effect to the RAV4 Hybrid in demonstrating how much more fuel efficient a family runabout can be.
Minivans are probably what 50-80% of crossover buyers should be buying instead, but they remain the butt of jokes.
Slow is fine!!! It’s not a race
What you save on gas with hybrid Chrysler goes away with tons of value depreciation. No one financially wise would buy a Chrysler product (Chrysler/Dodge/ Jeep/ Fiat).
In many of your mini van reviews you speak to family needs. I think you would be surprised at the "senior" mini van demographic. Can you look into results for what the over 65 crowd is driving and comment for that demographic?
Toyota made a big mistake with this new sienna.
A lot more expensive than all other minivans.
Slower than all other minivans.
Hybrid only
Middle seats don't come out
As a loyal toyota customer, I feel a big let down by toyota.
Gas mileage dosn't mean much to people when a gallon of gas is under tow bucks and expected to stay there for years to come.
Toyota needs to fire the head in charge o this new van before they lose most of their customers to other brands.
The focus groups demanded better fuel economy so Toyota responded with the hybrid engine