Russia’s FSB security HQ hit by Ukrainians & Putin says peace talks are now ‘ridiculous’ | Podcast
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 12 มี.ค. 2024
- Day 746.
Today, we bring you the latest news from across the battlefront, analyse the surprise announcement from the US of a new funding package for Ukraine amid an ongoing ammunition shortage for Kyiv’s forces.
Contributors:
David Knowles (Head of Audio Development). @djknowles22
Dominic Nicholls (Associate Editor, Defence). @DomNicholls on X.
Francis Dearnley (Assistant Comment Editor). @FrancisDearnley on X.
Articles references:
Putin says peace talks ‘ridiculous just because Ukraine is running out of ammunition’ (Telegraph)
www.telegraph.co.uk/world-new...
Occupied Ukraine encouraged to vote in Russian election by armed men (BBC)
www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-euro...
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Email: ukrainepod@telegraph.co.uk
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Stand With Ukraine Now
Ukrainians are fighting on both sides!
So Möchtegern-Krieger kehren nach dem ersten Artilleriefeuer zitternd zurück.
NIE! DLA UKRAINCOW W POLSCE
@@stephencalcutt8396 Russians invading russia...
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I’m an American. And I can’t believe that our government is acting like this. It’s our future. It’s the world’s future it’s everybody’s future except Putin.
It's not planet America anymore
@@dessmith7658 it isn't the planet of putania either
1) Why should USA take the main burden? There is obligation via NATO? but not to bear the main burden, surely?
2) Also, don't forget, in WWII, they were not concerned with helping the rest of the world preserve democracy and sovereignty against Hitler - until Japan attacked Pearl Harbour. Australia/NZ, India and Canada all helped the UK, but America didn't.
P.S. I am so heartened about the US Charity sending so much food to Gaza.
How much would USA be affected by a Russian Europe?
Even China is softening the Communism. North Korea is the only hard-line communist dictatorship that I know of. Non-communist China seems a far bigger threat, plus Iran.
I know USA hated communism, but would Russia re-impose communism? If they did, how would USA be threatened by that? I never did understand the hysteria about the expansionist greed of Communist Russia.
USA did plenty of expanding (through sneaky means) and now practically has an empire, despite that breaking their Constitution.@@dessmith7658
Our government? It’s one faction of psychos.
It is simply the stupidest thing to fail to provide what they need to convince Putler he can never win this.
For Ukraine all the way
I know both Finland, Norway, and Sweden are preparing - in case. Denmark has seminars on how to survive for at least 3 days. All thanks to Mike Johnson, head of house of congress and company. The US people in power has no idea about the damage to the rest of the world they are causing - this is devastating.
Johnston stonewalling aid to Ukraine will cause irreparable damage to the stature of the US.
@@robertmiskey5502Only until we can change the GOP by our votes
@@ckslifeandtravels9352other gov. same gameplan
@@robertmiskey5502 There is no popular mandate in the US for continuing on in Ukraine, none. It's deeply unpopular among the electorate, so it is rich with irony when one hears about the necessity of the United States and NATO to defend "democracy" when it's becoming increasingly clear that the US and the main powers within NATO have no respect for democracy at home. The stature of the US abroad couldn't be any lower.
@@AlexTrevelyanWhat electorate? Maga?
Greetings from Canada! I listen to this pod everyday and very much appreciate the efforts ofTelegraph staff. Unfortunately, the Ukraine War gets little coverage from the CBC and US news outlets at present. This is very unfortunate, as anyone with a modicum of intelligence realizes that Putin must be stopped at all costs. Ukraine must win this fight!!
I would like to see Americans, and the Pope, watch 20 Days In Mariupol .
Man Ukraine isnt that much better
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CBC News, 🤣, what a joke
Don't forget to raise your hand to the glory of the sun, it's customary in Canada🤣
Some of us said from day one that the West was making things worse by being too soft.
from the seizure of Crimea!
By being involved.
We have been too soft on Putin ever since we let him get away with Ossetia in 2008. Outgoing President was a dunce, and the incoming President was clueless about foreign policy.
We've been too soft on Putin since we let him get away with Ossetia in 2008. Our outgoing President was a dunsel, and our incoming President was clueless about foreign policy.
Who says accounting is boring? I'm so proud of the fellow number-crunchers who found the room in the budget!
True Patriots, not MAGAs
It is because the accrued depreciation for the now obsolete also cost more in decommissioning costs than just exporting them to Ukraine.
@@Kath-nd6pj Good, depreciate some more !
not even enough for 1 day
Peace talks were *always* ridiculous, as absolutely no talks are required for Putin to order all Russian forces to withdraw from Ukraine's territory.
There is only one tiny problem: this is not going to happen.
There is only one tiny problem: Russia is currently conducting a special operation on its territory to clear it of occupation
@@burritosls. educate yourself on history and geography.
@@burritosls Please explain how a sovereign country - Ukraine - is Russian territory.
@@burritosls RDK?
Please report on Poland and other EU countries continuing to import Agricultural products from Belarus and Russia. It is baffling that Poland Border Guards arrested and detained Ukrainian Journalists who documented the transport of goods from Belarus and Russia being allowed to enter Poland without delay, while truckers, trains, & passenger buses from Ukraine continue to be blockaded and assaulted by Polish Protesters on the Polish borders.
I am utterly disgusted by the Republicans in my own government.
They want to stop the killing.
💙💛 Slava Ukraini !!! 💙💛❤️
Excellent commentary. As an American, The US House of Representatives will need to be forced to provide Ukraine aid before the election. Maybe the Baltic approach is not a bad idea
they are out of arty ammo since June 23
Surrender Now....As a American we will stop this BS war.
It all comes down to this: do we want to live in a democratic society or not? Do we defend our way of life or not? We already have the 1930s precedent of what happens when democratic societies in Europe start to get invaded. If we don't man up, decide exactly what we want and act on that, things are going to get a lot, lot worse and many more lives will be lost. The axis solidifying between Russia, China, Iran and North Korea is very sinister indeed.
I imagine i could possibly live with less democracy, but i really don't like rape and torture, so i need democracy so people like me en masse can vote them out.
The "free and democratic" Ukraine has suspended elections indefinitely.🤣
Nato is more ignorant and sinister
wrong, its about military output #logistic
Hi guys, long term listener to the pod, find your insights fascinating and like to keep up to date on what's happening on the Battlefield. Dom mentioned the retiring of the Apache D heli from the British military, was there ever a consideration to donate any of those to Ukraine? Just a though that crossed my mind while listening. Keep up the excellent work.
NICE here France. Expat. Yep, the mood here is mixed (there’s a huge Russian expat community in NICE, we even have our own Russian Orthodox Cathedral here). Lots and lots of Ukrainians here too. It’s a subject that isn’t really talked about that much, but I think generally speaking people understand that it might be necessary to send French troops. The reaction I’ve got is yes, send French troops in, but only if other European countries send theirs in too, so I’m guessing if Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania Poland go for it, then it’s pretty much a given France will jump in.
Thing is, Eastern Europe is in the range of Kalibr nuke rockets, and France is not. Yet. However, the popular opinion here is that putin is to be intimidated, not appeased. Threat is the only language he understands and respects. Serious threat.
We have to stop worrying about this Nuke business. If Russia uses anything like that then it would be ‘bye bye civilisation’. They, along with everyone else would cease to exist. We have to stop allowing ourselves to be led by Putin in this way. He’s a thug and full of bullshit.
One way or another,the EU must work all together in good coordination.Otherwise it will conduct right to a disaster if they don't.
@@nottgri Isn't everyone in range of nuclear-tipped intercontinental ballistic missiles launched from land or submarines, or dropped from heavy bombers, including the Rooskies? Putin likes to exploit what he sees as 'girlie' fears while feigning a lack of them in himself or his people. I hate that so far he seems to be right, the world's leaders either collaborating ba____ds or pu__y a_s bi___es. Call his bluff!
@@nottgrimeanwhile, this is what Putin is saying, bot.
Putin on Ukraine talks:
Are we ready for negotiations? Yes, we are ready. But only we are ready for negotiations, not based on some "wishes" after the use of psychotropic drugs, but based on the realities that have developed, as they say in such cases, on the ground. It is ridiculous of us to negotiate now just because they are running out of ammunition. Nevertheless, we are ready for a serious conversation, and we want to resolve all conflicts, and even more so this conflict by peaceful means. But we must clearly and distinctly understand for ourselves that this is not a pause that the enemy wants to take for rearmament, but a serious conversation with guarantees for the security of the Russian Federation. We know the various options that are being discussed, we know the "carrots" that are going to be shown to us in order to convince us that the moment has come. We want, I repeat once again, to resolve all disputes and this dispute, this conflict, by peaceful means. And we are ready for that, we want that. But this should be a serious conversation with security for the opposing side, and in this case we are primarily interested in the security of the Russian Federation. We will proceed from this.
I disagree with Dom, it is in our interests for Russia to loose in Ukraine, but if Russia wins, it is also in our interests for Russia to have as difficult a time in Ukraine as possible. A delay of 5 years while Russia is rebuilding it's army could make all the difference for us.
Some of the western leaders are not taking this threat seriously and if something goes wrong they'll not be ready to take the blame.
"Western" as in old White Christian Colonial powers? The people who enslaved Africans, sold them as slaves to USA, force converted native people into jesus-worshiping, plundered their land? They are all rotting from inside. Democrats are gutting USA with illegal latinos and BLM. UK has a Indian Hindooo PM, Pakistani Muslim mayor of London... why would any one want to invade this rotting countries? Russia/China/Iran do not have any of these.
Well of course they shouldn't take the blame! Russia is the agressor and if Russia goes nuclear then Russia is to blame, nobody else!
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@chrisviking7807 I couldn't agree more! How can so people still not figure that out?
@@chrisviking7807US is the only country that has dropped nuclear bombs on 100% civilians, twice. USA is fine. Japanese are still subservient to USA. Nukes work. Ends wars. NO, there will be **NO retaliation**! US/EU have 20 times more people, packed in smaller area compared to Russia. And Russia has 3 times more nukes. Nuke exchange devasting for 'White Christian Colonialist" aka the 'west'.
I am glad Europe is stepping up!
I’m a daily listener from Front Royal, Virginia.
One way to remove Judas Johnson as Speaker is for enough Republicans in the House to resign
It will take considerable courage to do so, but the rewards are magnificent
❤nice Dutch approach. Groet uit utrecht.
That probably won't work as the idiot wing is the most organized so they would get more members.
I approve of what Macron is saying.
Imagine being that guy who attacks someone unprovoked and then is surprised when they fight back.
yeah, Ukrainians fascist state thought they could genocide their minorities without anyone interfering.
Very well said Francis!👏🏾 What I’ve been thinking myself already for a very long time now.
I appreciate Frances outline. I also skip his outline as he likes telling the US how stupid they are. We know that.
It still needs to be said, again and again...
@@tinayang3845....and again. Stupid Johnson.
Francis laughing about the "We all dream about flying helicopters" statement from Dom. 😂😂😂
It's almost like your friends now
@francisdearnley, excellent analysis
Slava ukraini 🇺🇦 🇺🇸
..Glory to All of the Heroes of Ukraine..Thanks for the update Ukraine The Latest…💙💛💙
Heroyam Slava!!!
The complacency and even the support for Putin is astonishing . Putin can win. Then everything changes. But too late by then
Are the retired Apaches going to be given to the Ukrainians? If not, why not?
Because it would be a logistical nightmare to train pilots and ground crew, and supply spare parts and munitions.
Just sent Taurus
@@FactCheckerGuy Same applies to the tanks and other kit that has already been been sent to Ukraine. That seems to have gone pretty well. Everyone who had trained Ukrainians to work various bits of kit says they are like sponges and absorb everything they are taught. Why would the supply of British Apaches be any different?
March 2024 A National Guard helicopter that flew over the U.S.-Mexico border crashed in Texas on Friday has claimed the lives of two National Guard soldiers and a U.S. Border Patrol agent.
Nov 2023 5 US service members killed in military helicopter crash over the Mediterranean
April 2023 Nine US service members were killed after two helicopters with the 101st Airborne Division crashed late Wednesday in southwestern Kentucky, officials said. There were no survivors.
March 2023 The US Army has identified the nine soldiers who were killed in a nighttime training accident on Wednesday evening, when two HH-60 Black Hawk helicopters crashed in a field near Fort Campbell, Kentucky.
I have had the feeling we have been at war (although in a passive way) for a year just with the price of living ! It almost feels like rationing . Keep up the good work guys ,show is the most reliable source of information I can find!
Totally agree.
I have no fear of rationing. Plenty of parkland that can be dig up for veg and returned to community gardens after. I could get myself a few chickens for eggs.
Teach our young the self sufficiency skills learnt from our parents, the previous wartime generation. Now mostly forgotten.
Once again another fantastic, informative podcast. It baffles me how people around the world seem to ignore the situation in Europe. & the Middle East. I’m in Perth Australia & people here are not aware or concerned with the world affairs. I take a great interest, as I do fear where we are heading. As much as I miss living in Ireland, I’m delighted my parents immigrated here.
Keep up the great work. I listen daily.
As for close air support. I think the battlefield evolves. It doesn't take as much away as it adds and adapts. Example a helicopter pilot in the near future may be deploying kamikaze or surveillance drones to assist in her ground support mission.
and the keeeling continues
Too many Neville Chamberlain's amongst the Western leaders "I have in my hand ... oh bugger!"
Oh yes, and he didn't survive his blundering. Neither will they. Scholz is toast. His blocking aid for ukraine won't save his miserable skin.
Stand for freedom and democracy. Stand with Ukraine!
closed borders and no elections, trully a freedom and democracy personified, kek.
@@dimas3829 a country doesn’t need to be democratic to fight off the aggressor.
NIE! DLA UKRAINCOW W POLSCE
Ukraine....democracy....🤣
Stand for freedom and democracy. Stand with Russia.
Dom’s use of “gift” was actually the correct word. Ukraine can’t buy what they need, and their military is nonviable without it. The West provides the materiel, and Ukraine provides the casualties.
Congratulations to your team. Francis for such clear and erodite presention today of current situation in Ukraine
Your and Domino's clear and done to earth rending of the situation a pleasure to get every day. Well done chaps
I think we not only have to ask ourselves 'Are WE willing to risk escalation to achieve those goals of a free Ukraine and a safe Europe?'
I think that would be very revealing to hear that from every country's leadership.
I would rather hear it from the citizenry rather than the corrupt leadership.
Thanks for keeping keeping on!
From Australia for 2 years.
Ditto, also.
Hey, Dom, Ukrainians are searching for how to make drones that can negate jamming and shun radar. Wunder Drone 🎉Wearing down russian budget to try and keep up. Oh, and a higher ba-bam! count. Ah, if only. Cheers 😊
Peace talks with Putin were always ridiculous!
Funny thing Ukraine cannot win in Ukraine, but they can win in Russia. That is how this ends, it is so obvious.
Get ready for it ready or not here we go
Rousing talk-up about Macron. Will further information on France24. Thanks Francis.
Another great pod 🫡
Another load of soppy nonsense
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@@dessmith7658 your servility won’t be appreciated here, bot.
Still dreaming of helicopter money are we
2 weeks worth of ammo in a $300m package... big deal.
So 150 billion Ukraine has spent in 2 years on ammunition is that right
Stop it
I'm a very regular listener of your podcast from France (well, I'm in Belgium, but I'm French). I think that Macron's position is aligned with France's interest. Of course, it's easier for him to states that Le Pen is a Putin's supporter, but he could do it without the need of being heard internationally. What matters is that France has been trying to push for more independance from the US for years .. this was not well understood, but now with the risk of having Russia being so agressive outside its 1991 borders, and the risk of having Trump back at the White House, this position makes a lot of sense. It's better to rely on your own army, your own industry, rather than relying on external support. The language of Macron, and of France, has been consistent, it was simply not audible just 3 years ago when war was only for third world countries or nostalgic european colonial powers. Well, to rephrase the Beatles, we're back to the time of the USSR .. 1980 .. I was just 7, but the perspective for me as a boy was to go to Germany for my military service. When I turned 18, my father took me to a trip to Prague, and I've seen Russian soldiers selling their medals. The idea of war had simply disappeared for nearly 30 years in Europe, and very few country stated they need to have an army, as the US will always be there to protect us. I'm glad we've maintain certain capabilities .. they are today our life insurance against Putin. Frederic
The US has canceled its armed reconnaissance helicopter program.
So the Pentagon is listening to Dom.
Putin: “It would be ridiculous for us to start negotiating with Ukraine just because it’s running out of ammunition.”
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Its heart breaking to hear the gaslighting of the English people: Why is no one talking about existence of actual military equipment qnd true number of losses?
Excellent in depth coverage
Are we not making basic mistakes by informing the Russians what we are supplying Ukraine, when and how much?
Eh, yes.
"We all dream of helicopters" 😆
Rotary winged vehicles; inherently unstable ; no glide path !
Like Europeans
However dome sea mines still hanging around the area from WW2
33:55 It's really an interesting point. I guess it is similar to the issue with the firepower of snipers and anti-tank missile specialists.
Greater London oblast is on the cards
No such place.
@@chrisviking7807 not yet
Good thoughts, Dom. There is too much diddling and dawdling amongst politicians. Eat more meat, Man Up! This goes for the ladies, too😊Hiya
Tell that to Speaker Johnson !
Couldn’t of happened to a nicer bunch. I wonder if this is going to slow up some of the meddling that has been going on in U.S. politics and elsewhere in the free world.
Baltic countries intervening? How many troops do they hope to send? Thousands?
The reason America dropped the Global Hegemone Regional Security ball is that all US policy, foreign policy and domestic policy, is guided by political principal of "How do we make sure rich people stay rich" Almost all American politician wake up with this question at front of mind and go to bead that way. So, when Putin started his massive invasion of Ukraine the American policy establishment asked "Russia has invaded, how does this impact keeping rich people rich?" and the answer was "I guess we buy a fair amount of weapons over a long period of time" Not how do we defeat Putin, or secure Ukraine and Europe or bolster NATO.
wow, how does a Nation loss an empire, rotten from inside
Did putler run for his bunker again..
To be frank, I haven't heard anything new from this podcast, but it's good to hear a voice of sanity from the West. Well done, The Telegraph. Me Polish, BTW, but don't hold it against me, pretty please.
Thanks guys, another good programme. I've never been in a helicopter, to me they are the motorbikes of the skies - a great way to expose yourself to unnecessary risk...
The ascension of Trump as the Republican nominee has brought a new confidence and vulgarity to Putin's answers. Europe needs to morph into a self-leading entity...and they need get it done before Trump is elected.
It may be a decade or more before the USA sobers up from the delusions brought about by its thirst for lies.
Or even if Biden wins, against the next amnesiac swing of the majority-disinterested voters. The "free world" US is like Aerosmith once said about God-know-what, "I love it and I hate it but I need it just the same."
Putin needs Biden. Trump ends the war.
Totally agree, Francis. NATO should just give Pootin an ultimatum; pull out now, disengage or 'we' nato , will come in !
In other words, get tough !
The politicians would not let them !
How can Putin say that? He started it.
Well, he can whatever he pleases. The war is about it as well.
- no mum, it wasn't me, he started it.
Ukraine started it in 2014. It was called ATO, now SVO, the names change but the war is the same.
@@dkudlay Nonsense
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Its the free European democracies that need to be taking the lead on this one. The response has been shocking. Lobby your MP and ask them exactly what the uk and other European states are doing to make sure Ukraine wins this war. This could be the defining event of our era.
Russia is going to struggle to have enough diesel for planting this year's crops.
hey I was in Leningrad back in 83 stayed at the St. Petersburg hotel loved Leningrad and Moscow back then.
I really worry that the Brit's and the EU does not have enough energy to build a military complex.
Great work fellas regards Mike in 🇺🇦🇦🇺 oz
Yes it is deeds look at the french supply of arms, it is small compared to Germany.
In Germany, the women have courage, the men are total cowards.
EU has become flaccid and passive. Prayers do not deter preyers.
If Russia gets Ukraine then they can blackmail the world with grain!
i agree: these nuclear threat are nothing more than small dog barking.... nobody would use nuclear bomb unless they are suicidal...
Reason there is no strategy is that they cant agree. This is the USA's role.
NOT with Judas Johnson !
Close air support is usually visible to all troops on the ground. It is reassuring to the "good" guys ,(in this case the Ukrainian army), and intimidating to the enemy.
The Goood guys are RUssian
Ref Dom’s thoughts on close air support, is there a role for Apache as a drone swarm killer, either using jamming, machine guns or dragon fire lasers, to ensure close air control if the battlefield?
ukraine has no men to protect with CAS. The uke men who fled are not returning. Expats are not returning.
Awesome report once again. Loving Dom's reference to "Stores are for storing" in a recent broadcast 🤘🤘
pooty is such a baby
agreed, he's too innocent for the corrupt world dominated by bully USA.
Macron may be the most vocal on this, but it's simply because he sees himself as a statesman ... his rhetoric is rarely backed up with his country's or European funding and action though. Loath Trump, but was correct to say it's time some western states stepped up and paid their share
I can loathe Trump AND his contention those who don't spend a lot on their own military, which he cannot conceive as other than "dues" like a golf club membership, should be fair game with no help against Putin's war whims. The ultimate useful idiot.
Europe is paying more than its "share". Its another trump lie. Europe had zlso taken in 7,000,000 ukranian refugees.
Interesting points.
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We knew peace talks with Putin were ridiculous 2 years ago. Ukraine deserves to break the USSR stronghold on their country. As soon as Ukraine gets the upperhand (Johnson has to go) many other Russian suppressed countries will follow and the Putin supporters in the West will be ostracized. Bye bye Orban, Trump and I would say China too, but, like Turkiye, they know how to make the best of an advantage.
too many long winded adverts guys will not be listening if not reduced
Leningrad is the oblast (county)
"If we give President Zelensky the tools, the Ukrainians will finish the job". Keep that in mind Western Allies.
I see it as Russia has crossed the line on 22 Feb 2022!
Dom, nothing unmanned is going to replace helicopters for med-evac of the wounded any time soon.
First time listening from The City by The Bay in Northern California.
As our former governor was fond of saying, "I'll be back." 🤖
I think Joe needs a vacation
Here's Putin's full answer to the interview question regarding negotiations:
"Are we ready for negotiations? Yes, we are ready. But only we are ready for negotiations, not based on some "wishes" after the use of psychotropic drugs, but based on the realities that have developed, as they say in such cases, on the ground. It is ridiculous of us to negotiate now just because they are running out of ammunition. Nevertheless, we are ready for a serious conversation, and we want to resolve all conflicts, and even more so this conflict by peaceful means. But we must clearly and distinctly understand for ourselves that this is not a pause that the enemy wants to take for rearmament, but a serious conversation with guarantees for the security of the Russian Federation. We know the various options that are being discussed, we know the "carrots" that are going to be shown to us in order to convince us that the moment has come. We want, I repeat once again, to resolve all disputes and this dispute, this conflict, by peaceful means. And we are ready for that, we want that. But this should be a serious conversation with security for the opposing side, and in this case we are primarily interested in the security of the Russian Federation. We will proceed from this."
Минобороны РФ обнародовала данные об уничтоженных в ходе СВО иностранных наёмников:
Польша: прибыло 2960 наёмников, уничтожено - 1497.
США: прибыло 1113, уничтожено - 491.
Грузия: прибыло 1042, уничтожено - 561.
Канада: прибыло 1005, уничтожено - 422.
Великобритания: прибыло 882, уничтожено - 360.
Румыния: прибыло 784, уничтожео - 349.
Франция: прибыло 356, уничтожено - 147.
Skip to 1:00 for the start of the conversation
oh wait its not a conversation
talk at 12.00 is toe curling, it seemed this way from the start but only after years "might" we respond in such a way. i despair, whare was our leadership. what is nato for if not for the maintenance and furthement of democracy. As some one born and raised under the nato umberla i was led to believe we were on the side of "Right" and "Good" and who are we if not for that? profit and wealth?! Put in all, all is at stake!
Nato is a cash cow for military types
the best as always
Putin responds to troop losses with an instant logical answer. Could either US leader articulate a response to any question on that level. Putin is running rungs around the West. Gee, thanks US.
Poor old bunker grandpa putler expected to take Kiev in 3 days. 😂
TH-cam adds are pathetically short bus material