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- This is an in-depth analysis of the USS Enterprise C ( NCC 1701-C ), the Ambassador Class starship from Star Trek First The Next Generation's "Yesterday's Enterprise." It covers:
The production history behind the USS Enterprise C
Filming model breakdown
Evolution and modifications to the ship's exterior and interior
Random tid bits
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"Like every other Federation ship, she's got compartments loaded with random debris, like rocks that explode whenever the ship is attacked."
Brilliant.
Algol I think it's a starships version of shitting itself
Algol omg I literally lol'd at that!!!!!#truth
It’s true though.
Junk in it's trunk?
Well how else are they supposed to know the ship is under attack? The screens‽ If you ask me it’s a revolutionary indicator system!
Ironically, I think it's one of the best designs they ever created.
Sure, they didn’t have time to over-do it. Same as for TOS.
@Voltaic Fire Ironic because it's a one off. Some designs, like the Excelsior, are used over and over again. They changed it up by sticking something on it, like they did with the Enterprise B. But the C, which was never really seen again outside of that episode (unless it was in a battle sequence that I'm unaware of), was really good in its own right.
@@roberts3036 I thought ironic since it was designed and fabricated as a last minute replacement for Probert's 'canon' design.
Same I prefer the ambassador class look to the galaxy class.
@@roberts3036 Seen in Redemption Part 1 & 2 as part of Picard's blockade fleet. Also seen in Emissary Part 1 in the Wolf 359 flashback scene.
Anyone else think the movie era uniforms on the Enterprise c look daft without the undershirts?
spike1422 , yep. never liked that at all.
Omgggggggggggg yes! The star trek movies had the best uniform from the wrath of Khan till the undiscovered country.
They had to do somethign to make it look slightly different. When you think about it those red uniforms were used from up until the original Enterprise was destroyed to when the C was lost. That's a farily long run when youd consider what Starfleet was wearing in the Next Generation and what they had at the end of DS9.
Budgets were tight in the Enterprise C era. The undershirts were shredded and used to stuff the seat backs and cushions. Many of the unsoiled underpants were wrapped around the plasma injectors to minimized leakage. Do I have to do ALL the research on these fuckin videos?!
Yep
Personally, I quite like the Ambassador class design, it looks like it was built for hard work unlike the cruise ship Galaxy class. I think it's a pity they didn't use the ships in the battle scenes in DS9, instead of the ancient Miranda and Excelsior classes.
They WERE at Wolf 359 however, at least one of them.
The Ambassador class was already on it's way out of the fleet by the time Wolf 359 happened, plus there weren't all that many built in the first place. It was being supplanted by the Galaxy class. There were already a BUNCH of Excelsior and Miranda class ships in the fleet and in mothball. The Dominion war was a good chance to clear out Starfleet's war closet. Just like the Klingons did with the old D7s.
If memory serves, the remaining Ambassador Class ships were used as basically meeting places, and transports for high ranking members of the Federation. Basically Starfleet's limo.
An Ambassador class was used in at least one ds9 battle, I can't remember which one tho.
I absolutely love it better than the D.
The best thing about the Enterprise C is that it manages to harken back to the look of the Enterprise A while being a perfect intermediary between the Excelsior and Galaxy class ships that came before and after. I think making it overly organic would have make it look more like the D, but less like the B, and since the Galaxy was supposed to be the revolutionary class, better to have the intermediate class looking backwards than simply being a slightly smaller Galaxy class. Kudos to the designer. It is a real shame that the model was destroyed.
P.S. You also missed one modification. They added an excelsior rear shuttle bay upside-down and below the aft shuttlebay.
No... I think maybe I'd like it better if you called me Lieutenant Shooter McGavin.
He's the reason "pieces of shit" are available on replicator breakfast menus.
Dude awesome comment. I was wondering where I knew him from, saw your comment, and click. Instant LOL!
Nailed it.
When they issued his uniform did they know his right arm is a bit longer than his left?
Hahaha
''They did things to her that made her dead.''-So am I now, lmao
lol...that's the reason interstellar stations across DAL and DERN universe has established tons of emergent spaceports, in case of darkness occurs.
Yeah rocks on the enterprise c. I always thought there was something funny about that scene but could never put my finger on it....but there are rocks!
I like the happy sounds in your tapes about star track ships I watch in the world wide web.
Awesome work. I love the Enterprise C. Years back when I was reading up on the production of the show there was a controversy about how the C may have been a better design than the D.
yup and i agree
Oh i totally agree
I think my biggest problem with the d is the weird goose neck
The C looks nice, but the D's design just makes it looks massive and organic. I love the Galaxy Class.
01:40 If we look at the designs -A through -D, it's immediately obvious that the -D is the only "organic" design. The other ships are far more geometric, and in the case of A/B rather featureless. The -C has lots of features while still looking geometric and easy to build, a "plan B" should the Galaxy class not work out.
The one issue with the -C design is that it starts the "stunted nacelle growth" trend. Its warp nacelles are about the length of both the -B and -D (within 10%). That trend peaked with the Voyager, which doesn't look the "warp 9.975 max speed" part at all, and was finally abandoned with the -E, which had nacelles I always thought looked like a straight evolution of the A/B ships, as if C/D never happened.
The Ambassador Class has always been my favorite. I just love how it keeps the aesthetic of the Constitution Class, but emboldens it.
The Ambasssdor class / Enterprise C is hands down my favorite starship design - far better looking than both the clunky, disproportionate and overly top heavy Galaxy and oddly asymmetrical and bottom-heavy Excelsior, with a very appealing and somewhat retro look reminiscent of the classic Constitution class profile. A gorgeous, perfect design in my opinion.
With respect to Mulgrew, I think the lady that played captain Garrett would have been a better choice for first female captain. She was just...GOOD.
Mulgrew got hit with writers who had no collected vision and no passion for the job. Voyager was soulless from the start. Ds9 writers would've nailed Voyager but it was screwed from the start
You would have like the first Janeway. Genevieve Bujold/... French, dark, sultry, smokey...
Mulgrew was an absolutely decent actress. She definitely had the right aura and that command spirit. The writers for voyager were just uninspired and awful lazy.
@@WoodysAR Mulgrew was a thousand times better than Bujold from the footage I've seen.
I am glad they changed the ship from what was seen in Picard ' s office. That one looked too much like Enterprise D. The one we actually got looks more like a bridge between Excelsior Class and Galaxy Class.
And it confirmed that _Star Trek Enterprise_ never happened. 01:56 No ship between the aircraft carrier and Kirk's Enterprise.
Awwww the fake ending was hilarious
Enterprise B & C are the two finest ships of the line.
Thanks for the review...👍
Italo disco as a background music woohoo!
In "Yesterday's Enterprise", wasn't it stated that the hull of the ship was taken back to Romulus and displayed in the capital city? If that is true, then the Enterprise C was not totally destroyed after all.
And nice work, by the way.
That was Tomalak talking to Picard, one of those scenes where a truly great villain defines the hero for the series
Eric Cando No. Romulan Admiral Tomolok stated that's what he was going to do to the NCC-1701-D when he destroyed her in battle and took her crew prisoner. It had nothing to do with the NCC-1701-C.
war atrocity type propaganda, not romulan style at all,
@@sewme7861 It VERY Romulan. They're space Romans, and that's what Romans did with captives.
Andrew Probert never drew up designs for Enterprise C. That was a preliminary design while designing the Galaxy class. The painted design was revisited when the design for the Ambassador class was needed. (The Art of Star Trek)
I like the round blue deflector on the Enterprise C - reminds me of the A. Thanks for watching, Shooter McGavin
I love your sense of humour when it comes to these videos. The video game soundtracks, the 80s and 90s references are so on-point.
An awesome episode. Thank you for your hard work on this.
Best blend of old and new. My favorite Enterprise.
Update...It now known Yar was not killed during her escape..now they were found on a former Romulan planet in STO
Victoria Ramos, yep. I just played that episode last night. I thought it was well done. I felt it gave some nice closure to Tasha Yar and Sela.
STO is not canon so what happens there doesn't mean anything.
Nintendo Video Gamer it is actually. Cbs have stated that it is cannon or semi cannon
If they have, it's because of some mistaken employee. CBS as a company has explicitly declared on several occassions that only the series and movies are canon, a statement that is reinforced on the sitemap of the official Star Trek website which has been updated several times since STO came out: www.startrek.com/sitemap
Nintendo Video Gamer it's considered semi canon which means they can retcon things if they ever decided to make a star trek series in the 25th c. Until they do sto is the newest stories post voy.
How dare you not include a golf joke? Shooter McGavin's part of the bridge crew.
With replicators, he really DOES eat pieces of shit for breakfast. And lunch. And dinner. And brunch or a midnight snack.
I love the overall 80's feel of your episodes, very awesome !
I always thought the sleeker C looked way better than the pudgy D
KlunkerRider
Same here. Classic Enterprise C looks awesome!
Idk if you right... but damn... you might be
Off topic, but how would companies bid for contracts in a future that doesn't use money?
For the same reason Captain Phillipa Louvois asks Captain Jean-Luc Picard if he was buying her drinks at the end of "The Measure of a Man" [2x09]: because they remain inconsistent on the use of currency throughout the series.
That's the real reason they dumped it, it looked better than the D
I have now went through most if not all your videos give you a like on most of them. But the opening scene of this video is the reason I'm subscribing to you. You're not serious you actually make jokes. I'm loving it.
BLOWN AWAY by the Probert Enterprise C shown at 8:15! This is so well done it is indistinguishable from a real model which is more than I can say from the bad effects on Discovery and other shows. Whatever happened to Star Trek Futures? What is this model asset being used for? Would love to see it in more detail! Thanks!
I've always liked the Ambassador class, mainly because of the circular saucer, hull, and nacelles. Since it is closer in time to the Galaxy class, I would expect to see a lot more of them; instead, we are treated (frequently) to the Excelsior class (also a beautiful ship, but decades older). Hopefully, someday we can see more of them somewhere...
For a second, I thought you were going to have Castillo say "I think I'd like it better if you called me Shooter." LOL
I always found it weird that we only saw this class of ship once, whilst the older excelsior and miranda classes are all over the shop 😆
It's SEE-La! Not se-la! Jeesh!!
Great work, man, just fantastic. I enjoy all your videos. I have done a little video editing (nothing that compares to your work, but...), and also have conducted many of my own research projects, so I can appreciate how long it takes to gather, compile, organize, etc. in order to achieve the result you want to publish. People should expect to wait for high-quality work in all things, and what you create is no different. So you need not apologize for the delay, although was nice to see your preview vid.
I believe if you set out to do so, you could create a stunning documentary at 60 minutes run-time or more (I don't know if brand licensing is an issue with Paramount, my understanding is that so long as it is non-commercial, they are fairly lenient with fans and fan fiction and so on due to the enormous cultural buzz which always helps their balance sheets into the billions, and they might grant a commercial doc too). Your observations of the odd details other well-known documentaries fail to mention entertains me. And it is refreshing to see Star Trek documentaries that combine fun, edgy, observational humor, and cultural cross-reference humor, with more info about the Star Trek fiction itself than the usual documentaries about Gene or the fan-culture phenomenon.
Your viewers are genuinely laughing along with you, and many of us learn new things too. I think that is a special talent you have so I hope you continue to enjoy making review/retrospective/stuff videos! Two Thumbs way up!
You make the web an awesome place !
i love ur vids. ur dead funny.
keep up the good work.
Thanks. I appreciate it.
You do make good videos. And on the subject of the Ambassador Class, I think it was a way better looking design than the Galaxy Class.
The most underrated starship of all time. I honestly thing it’s the perfect blend of the TOS Enterprise and the Enterprise D. Plus I’ve always loved it’s unique bluish color scheme. Not a lot of ships really have that kind of thing.
Rocks! We need more Rocks!
FUCK YOU THE ROCKS ARE MINE!!!!!
Well I can't give you the rocks because I sold them all.
NOOOOOO Y U SELL MY ROOOOOCKS!?!?!
There are two kinds of people who post amazing videos on TH-cam. Those wonderful people who identify the music they use so we who enjoy it can support the artists.....and those who are as bad as people who intentionally drive slow in the passing lane.
Thanks, Junkball. :)
Was always my favorite ship in Bridge Commander.
It's on GOG as of yesterday 9/8/2021!
Loved this class of starship the first time I saw it.
You know... Your one of the few TH-camrs who's videos I can re watch over the years.
👍👍
Its the lack of impulse engines on the primary hull/saucer section that bothered me. it has the separation line on the dorsal. but if the ship separated the primary hull would be limited maneuvering thrusters only.
Great video. First one I saw because I love the ambassador class. Would love to see a therapy treatment on the Miranda class. My ultimate fav.
I never took to the Ambassador Class. It admittedly has lineages in both the A and B and ultimately leading towards D but too much of it had that whole “it’ll do” feel to it. ST has produced some absolutely stunning pieces of design work over the years (USS YEAGER ASIDE) and probably had just as much time to come up with the Nebula Class as they did the Ambassador yet the quality between them is stark.
I was on the fence about subscribing but then I heard The Alan Parsons Project. You got yourself a subscriber!
Love, love, LOVE that you used the theme of Ken from Street Fighter II for the "Other Appearances" section!! It's...fitting, though I'm pleasantly surprised that you didn't subscribe to the camp of "Guile's Theme Goes With Everything" (cuz it doesn't).
Back to the original timeline (as in BEFORE the events of "Yesterday's Enterprise" altering things dramatically), you may be right, Captains Garrett & Picard may have actually known each other when he was on the Stargazer. That, however, is something that I guess we'll never know for sure.
You bring up an interesting plot hiccup from Yesterday's Enterprise: why didn't Captain Garrett recognize Captain Picard. One could assume that she may not personally know him but most captains in the fleet should be familiar with each other's at least by name, and so when meeting in sickbay, Garrett could of had a throwaway line of dialogue: "Captain, Picard? I thought you were in command of the Stargazer..."
Daniel noland The Enterprise was the flagship of the fleet and the Stargazer wasn't a major ship. She could have easily not remembered it.
True, but it would have been cool to include that none the less...
Love these videos. Happy to see a new one up. Keep up the good work buddy!
"I'm dedicating the Enterprise C to Chubbs."
"Let's give him a hand."
I love the Heavyweights clip! "It's my pleasure Tony"
In pilot of DS9 you can also see briefly the Ambassador class starship attacking the Borg cube in Wolf 359 battle.
Remember kids, posing for Playboy will get you killed in Starfleet.
The woman that played Tasha Yar was in Playboy. www.cbr.com/tv-legends-revealed-did-star-trek-tng-fire-denise-crosby-over-playboy-spread/
She posed for Playboy before she was ever hired for Season 1. Playboy dug up the pictures and reprinted them later.
@@sewme7861 People who use "thot" are definitely not in any position to call anyone else stupid.
False. She was in playboy before she was hired for ST:TNG. (In other words....they knew!)
Leaving was Crosby's choice
@@Astraeus.. "all women are queens" that you, that's what you sound like.
Ur intros are always a treat haha
I like that you played Jean Michel Jarre in the background. Well done!
Questions. I have questions. Star Trek The Generation of Next has many examples where the Excelsior class of ships were still very much in use. So then why didn't we see more examples of this class of vessel in use if they were the immediate predecessor of the Galaxy class? Other than "we had models available". We saw the Enterprise A commissioned (either created or registry changed from another Constitution class ship) very soon after Kirk destroyed the Enterprise. We saw the Enterprise E introduced shortly after the Enterprise D was destroyed. So why such a long time between C and D being put into service? Yeah, there was a gap between Archers Enterprise and the Enterprise being created. Wait! Why wasn't Archer's Enterprise the Enterprise and Pike/Kirk/Decker/Spock's Enterprise being A? Why didn't other Starfleet ships get the same treatment when their names carried on different generations of ships? Even in the first movies with the classic characters we saw large shuttle bays with many shuttles. When ships were in danger with failing systems why didn't they send off more of their crew in shuttles? They always just sit there unless it is a full abandon ship and they take escape pods. Even when facing enemies you should be sending out your smaller ships to offer more fire power, more targets and increase the chances that if the enemy disables the main ship some can escape. Even on limited warp drive they could have some senior officers escape far enough to get away from signal jamming technology and send a transmission to the nearest star base. Plus they can't pursue all of the shuttles. Did any of the other species have ships with shuttles or smaller crafts? We never see a shuttle bay on a Klingon or Romulan vessel. Nor on a Cardassian vessel. Sometimes we see small Klingon ships stopped. We don't see them join the main ship.
@0:41 LOL LOL LOL ;") *MERRY CHRISTMAS AND HAPPY HOLIDAYS THERAPY DUDE!*
Right back at ya.
I actually like the spherical shape of the deflector dish and Boussard collectors. It looks like a legit transition between the Constitution refit and the Galaxy class. I imagine the Starfleet engineers trying out different shapes and configurations to maximize warp bubble efficiencies or something, and the Galaxy was a refinement of the changes made in the Ambassador class.
I honestly prefer what was on screen to the concept that Probert had come up.
Out of all the ships that have been named Enterprise in the series and movies I love the designs of the B and C the best. For some reason the Excelsior refit and Ambassador class just look great to me.
Loving that Italo Disco music! I'd like to imagine that was what was popular in the 2340's when the Enterprise-C was around. The C is my favorite Enterprise of all time, the last one to have a proper circular saucer instead of an oval or triangle or something, and I'm glad it didn't end up being the original design which I thought was hideous.
... Picard was out exploring on a relatively backwater ship called the Stargazer before he abandoned it at Maxia. There is no reason to believe that the captain of Enterprise C would have known every other captain in Starfleet.
Bit what we _can_ assume... is that they both knew Boothby.
“It was a violation” I LOST IT!! 🤣🤣
2:52 why is the design labelled "USS Fearless"? The Fearless was an Excelsior-class in "Where No One Has Gone Before".
Star Trek ships have a few different divergent style paths. The original Constitution class gave birth to the Miranda class. The Miranda class evolved into the Nebula Class of the TNG timeline. Constitution also gave birth to Excelsior. The Enterprise E is basically an Excelsior descendant. Meanwhile, the Enterprise C and D are more direct descendants of the Constitution.
Huge fan of Star Trek, especially the starships and the C is my favorite ship of all time. I like the future look, while seeing the original in the design also. Cool video too.
The enterprise-c got a refit one year in. The piece of artwork represented configuration of the base classification. Easy. A sort of double meaning to parentage.
I always liked the Enterprise C. Spinoff? Bring back the old aesthetic?
Nice, although you missed a few more modifications, like the chopped-down pylons, new lifeboat arrangement, new sensor dome and moved saucer, although the pylon chops didn't ever appear on screen, as the model was considered, but not used in "Generations."
Peter Guthrie Thanks. Yeah, I had plans to mention the lifeboats but since they weren't clearly visible at any point on screen, so I left that modification out. I didn't know about the new sensor dome. Is that the dome at the bottom of the saucer section?
Junkball Media Yep. It's much more akin to an Excelsior Class, while the original was more TOS-era Constitution. EAS has a pretty good article on the modifications. www.ex-astris-scientia.org/articles/ambassador.htm
the design looked like a perfect bridging point between the Enterprise D and the connie. it has design cues from both.
Didn't we see the Ambassador Class in the Battle of Wolf 359 in the DS9 Premier?
🖖😎👍Very cool and very well done and informatively explained indeed, And Enterprise-C is one of my all time favorite starship's as well 👌.
Thanks for your videos. I simply love them!
This was good...damn good.
Trivia The first time any one see an Ambassador-class USS Horatio. is in the episode "Conspiracy" (S1E25) , How ever you`d never know as it floats pass the Enterprise D in piece no more than a foot across . The only way we know its an ambassador class is Picard and Riker are talking about her Captain and his ship.
The irony is that the Excelsior class it replaced ended up being in service long after the Ambassador class was retired.
There was even a 25th century refit called the _Archer_ class, which had a transwarp core, the latest multi spectral phasers and shields, and even carried tricobalt devices.
Everything was brought up to 25th century tech standards.
They just don't want to get rid of the Excelsior… the Time Patrol in the 29th century probably still have a few in service with _minor refits…_
That's not what irony means.
It was also seen for a few seconds during the pilot of DS9 during the Battle of Wolf 359.
I read somewhere that the Ambassador class was meant to be a cross between the exelssior and galaxy class starship designs.
ok maybe i’m overthinking it, but how about this as an explanation for the design change from the relief to the show’s model: REFIT! if it can happen for the TOS to TMP NCC-1701 then why not with the C? new secondary hull to fit a new deflector and warp core
One of the better TNG episodes giving Guinan legitimacy and leading to the Klingon civil war episodes, possibly the best overall arc of TNG with Worf's discommendation and the treason of the Klingon high council... and Gowron, one of my favorite TNG characters, establishing himself.
I always thought that the NCC 1701-C USS Enterprise
nacelles were up too high so when I bought the C model I trimmed the pylons down to a lower level to match the
Enterprise D
Andrew Blanchard That was a cool idea
Rocks?! LOL!!! Funny vids mang : )
Good to see the original concept design will be used for something.
We need more videos like this!!! You rock!!
7:45 The nacelle looks moved back, not forward, in that pic.
Ambassador Class Enterprise C - only appeared in the ST:TNG episode 'Yesterday's Enterprise', but it's one of my favourite designs. Let's have more Ambassador class vessels 👏🏾
5:17 what's that music? it's so familiar! From a Megaman game perhaps?
Ed Kolis street fighter 2 ken' s stage
I Adore the Ambassador class design, it is in my top 5 star trek classes.
Rocks, and that thin girder thing that normally holds up lights at rock concerts. These are the things that fall on bridges as explosions happen.
For a one off desing, the C is simply amazing!
There was actually a Star Trek series of books with an Ambassador class ship. Excellent books. Had an interesting captain (much more substance that Picard) that had come from a rough world (human) and could actually fight with a sword. A real sword....not fencing rapier.
I like how you go over the changes to the model, but I wish you would have shown when those changes were made along the production line.
I love this design. I like the balanced look and no-nonsense elements such as the pylons. And the rocks.
I'm pretty sure that the Enterprise-C was destroyed after they responded to a distress signal sent by the Klingon colony at Narendra III. Which was defenseless, I don't think they fought alongside any Klingon ships, just defended the Klingon colony alone, and to the death.
"So this wraps up this video". kills me everytime LOLOLOLOL.. I. AM. CASTILLO!
Is the Star Trek Futures video still available…the link doesn’t work
Do the history of the Ambassador Class starships !!!
Yeah. I’d really like to redo the older videos. There’s certainly a lot more I could’ve covered.
Always wondered what the most forward station/console on the bridge is for. Pretty sure the Stargazer had that also. Master view screen control? Mr Castio, I mean Richard magnify. Hold on capt I'll just run up the front and hit the zoom button
Its the 'sacrifice duty seat'. When the ship's hull is ruptured it's the job of that guy to get sucked out screaming while the 30 second emergency forcefield timer ticks down. Nobody liked that duty station...
Wait, why did they modify the model? Didn’t it only appear on screen once in Yesterday’s Enterprise?
I inherited the phrase “Do it, to it, Lars!” From this video
I keep asking the same old question.WHAT IS WITH THE STREET FIGHTER II SOUND TRACK?