@@bassmania84 Fredrik wears his Holdsworth inspiration directly on his chest for all to see, but IMO, hes one of the only ones out there who actually does it justice and infuses it into something totally different than the source material.
@@Consural one of the best albums of all time. Even though it's heretical to say, at times I feel it's even better than Meshugah itself. Such a strong, powerful, alien, avantgarde album that is so increasingly more immersive and fulfilling as the album progresses. But it is hard though cause Contradictions Collapse, Destroy Erase Improve, Nothing, Catch 33 and Obzen are such masterpieces as well.
This is so fuggin good dude. Wish we had a version of higher audio quality. It’s a crime that this man hasn’t released more of his own stuff. The solos in meshuggah don’t satisfy my thirst like this. He really lets loose here.
Hate to be "That guy" but it's actually his "3D breath midi controller" demo. He and his guitar tech built this and this is a demo of it in action. The plans for it are on the meshuggah forums as well as a detailed explanation and link to the song. Amazing piece of work. Hope it finds its way on the new meshuggah or special defects album(s).
faultandfracture it’s like thordendal was implanted in Holdsworth by a xenomorph face sucker, and out of Holdsworth chest popped out Thordendal, baby alien Holdsworth. Mother Holdsworth had more tentacles and baby alien thordendalsworth had more teeth Hahahahahaha both my idols of guitar ahhhhhhh
I am sure someone from MESHUGGAH would go on youtube and read the comments every now and then and notice that the fans are asking for more solos and the backing vocals coming back would be good. I would luv for their next album to have more solos than DEI even.
Breath controllers are basically made to control synths like a flute. blowing into it makes the volume go up, and you can set the threshold so that blowing turns it on all the way up, or so that the harder you blow the louder it gets. You can set the blowing up to control other things than volume too though. And the 33 breath controller can be tilted up and down and left and right, and you cen set that up to control things too. It's like a joystick.
Not sure what you call it, but that breath-control device is sik as hell. The way it "splays" out the notes at the end, with the tone becomming sharper. Just awesome.
This is such an awesome piece of music. Hits the essence of why I love Shuggah right there. And now word is out. Fred will be recording the new Shuggah album with his mates. And will be touring with them again. How's that for a wonderful news!
They toured together, so there's a musical appreciation for each other, so really, it's totally possible. May we hope a tour to support it, too? Hell yes.
crazy how you commented this 10 years ago and it's still not out yet lol. Hopefully soon... Or even a new Meshuggah album, it's been almost 5 years since their last album even though it doesn't seem like it.
@@brentos5001 dude I forgot that a part2 was even in the works thats how long its taken and now Immutable is out and Fredrik barely is part of the band anymore...
Hey how do I find more like this.. I’ve heard every meshuggah track are there any that sound like this I’m not remembering? Also what is this?? Are there more of these
@Jdcie 2 ways, can take your pinky and wrap it around the volume knob, as you pick go from 0 - 7 or 8 as to cancel out the sound of the pick. You can also use a volume pedal or something similar to that nature.
I clicked on this song and my computer said "Internet Explorer has closed this webpage to help protect your computer"....That's how powerful this song is!!!
Just came across and really weird timing too as I was just listening to DEI last night thinking that I would love them to reintroduce some of the spacey, jazzy melodic interludes that were on that and Contradictions Collapse. They're music would be all the better for it as they've proven time and time again that they have mastered heaviness. A trimmed down part like this would be so sick to hear on a modern Meshuggah album.
I just noticed that his entire background on myspace is an illustration of the famous Mandelbrot set, which I find very befitting. The Mandelbrot set is where math meets art, it's a visualization of infinite complexity, mystery and beauty, created simple means. It can be appealing even to a layman as it is graspable through our visual sense, even though it lacks almost all of the natural properties known. Fredrik is just an audile Mandelbrot.
Fredrik said that he has the idea for a new album in his head so it's just a matter of time before he unleashes it on the world. We just have to be patient... 12 years and ticking.... I hope we won't have to wait 33 years.
No, as in wider steps within the scale, so rather than intervals of seconds or thirds, he will tend to use 6th, 7th or stacked triads/arpeggios within the scale shapes he is using. He also uses tapping to achive very wide sounding intervals, often the same scale shape played an octave above.
My fav guitarist simply becaus ehe does what I'd do if I was as good a shredder....even blend of heavy choppy, chuggy riffs and some awesome leads and shredding! Lotta melody and jazzy composition. Total jazz-metal prog genius. Thanks for posting!
This is a demo of what you can do with his '33' which is the name of the breath controller midi device on a joystick Johan Haake made for Fredrik. Look up Johan Haake on Google and look for 33! This is not related to Catch 33. He is just amused by the number 33.
I want to point out that Thordendal's idol is ALLAN HOLDSWORTH, folks. This must be stated as Holdsworth, the legend, is not quite popular, but many players use his tone and imitate his style. A bit weak to just copy Holdsworth, but on the other hand, it is great Holdsworth sets a standard.
To put it basically, in the way a keyboard MIDI controller sends solid signal chains in straight lines as you hit the keys, the breath controller send the signals he plays on the guitar, but loosens up the signal a little bit so it sounds less rigid. Hope that made sense :P
everyone needs to watch the old 98 show meshuggah did in springfield, search on here for it, its so good, his improv is amazing and his stage presence is awesome
Actually, it is probably Drum Kit From Hell, I would think, because Catch 33 was written with DKFH, which is programmed computer drums. This was because Catch 33 is a guitar focused album, according to Haake, so the mechanical drums brought out the guitar more.
@schwarg the story behind this clip as i know it is that this is a test for a breath controller that thordendal recorded as a demo. one of the most insane things i've ever heard... i wish he'd do more of this
I'd love to hear a guy Like Chris Poland (whom I idolize) to make an appearance on a Meshuggah song on an up coming album and trade solos with Fredrik. It would be amazing 2 great jazz/metal guitarists trading solos.
@hier0phant Yea, that's cute and all...but none has there been a benevolent being like Fred, and praise is given to the mighty 33 by the faithful down tuned.....
@SevenStringShredHead I think tuning it to E-A-E-A-E-A-C-E (Low to High; Open A minor), would make the most sense in terms of getting such a tuning out of an 8 string. However, I understand your point, and realize that no matter the tuning choice, Devin Townsend would ultimately be a beast at the instrument.
Speed is a dynamic which helps you express youself (musically). Sometimes you need to play slow and soft and sometimes you need to play hard and fast. This change/devolpment/evolution makes the musical phrases more interesting (gives them more life). At the 2.07 point Thorendal really gives it some. This "expressive progression" (u know what I mean!) is what gives his playing so much depth (plus why it's so hard to emulate). Maybe this is why he's wearing a Tool shirt; he likes progression.
@fergdrumgus There will be TWO drummers on the new SDFX album (playing simultaneously.) Morgan Agren (THE GOD) and the dude from Soilwork. I think the dude from Soilwork is handling more textural kind of things.
I think the force of your breath controls the volume. So it's like a killswitch which turns off whenether you blow into it. That's why you can't really hear the picking.
@bertamon Yeah there is a cool interview with Fredrik in this months Guitar magazine, and he talks about the breath controller among other things. Check it out.
@goatgoesbahhhhhh The songs with the greatest solos are, Future Breed Machine, Soul Burn, Sublevels, Stengah, Closed Eye Visuals and Straws Pulled at Random. Additionally you might want to check out Ritual, Gods of Rapture, Glints Collide and Pineal Gland Optics.
0:28 is literally one of the most beautiful phrases I’ve ever heard and it’s just a demo.
Mr. Thordendal is a legend
and the spiral fractal stairs leading upto it 0:23
That phrase reminds me of Steve Vai’s playing on his album Real Illusions Reflections.
And so typical fredrik
these are just holdsworth licks literally.. lol look further back you will see where holdsworth got all these licks from :)
@@bassmania84 Fredrik wears his Holdsworth inspiration directly on his chest for all to see, but IMO, hes one of the only ones out there who actually does it justice and infuses it into something totally different than the source material.
I would pay a large sum of money for an entire album of this stuff.
Check out his solo album "Sol Niger Within" if you haven't, in the 7 years that have passed since this comment.
@@Consural one of the best albums of all time. Even though it's heretical to say, at times I feel it's even better than Meshugah itself.
Such a strong, powerful, alien, avantgarde album that is so increasingly more immersive and fulfilling as the album progresses.
But it is hard though cause Contradictions Collapse, Destroy Erase Improve, Nothing, Catch 33 and Obzen are such masterpieces as well.
Man I totally agree and would give your comment a thumbs up... however its sitting comfortably at 33 likes. I'm not gonna be that guy.
@@tobytruman33 Same
Sol Niger Within
His solos are very Saxophone-like. And they turn out quite beautiful.
Super! It's like "Holdsworth goes metal".
I bet a million that Fredrik has all Allan's albums.
For sure
Fredirk is so good at guitar that even in 240p his guitar tone sound's amazing
Thordendal wankery is the best. I wish they did more stuff like this in Meshuggah. Or have him put out another solo record.
I agree. Like the ambient part in future breed machine or straws pulled. They should use more breaks like that, a lot more.
Maybe in another 10 years we'll have another solo album. I hope sooner seeing that he made a new studio that looks awesome
wankery lol. agreed.
More like Allan Holdsworth-ly.
He's trying!
This guy has developed a unique style of prog-fusion-death-metal.
This guy is just a musical gold mine. Ffs, even his "throwaway demos" are amazing.
Fredrick wearing Tool March is everything to me 🤘😎🤘
Holdsworth! Holdsworth EVERYWHERE!
Long live Alan Holdsworth :) i too am Alans guitar school i really like his jazzy-style ^^
0:29
I'm hearing quite a bit of Vai influence in there as well.
@@MFKR696 yeah, those two for sure are amongst Thordis heros, as well as mine too.
Just one of the elements that makes Meshuggsh so unique. Great melodic sense in the midst of the heaviest thunderstorm of riffs. More Fredrick please!
one of the most inspirational, and original musicians in metal
Oh wow, this guy is totally amazing
DUUUUH
@@behindthen0thing ?
holy shit I had no idea Thordendal was this technically skilled and tasteful with his melodies
+Andrew Scott Yeah, I think that most of Meshuggah's music is "how fucked up can we make this?" Lol
Check out Sol Niger Within if you haven't. Absolute classic.
for a moment i thought i commented on this
Same
Uhhh, you didn't? This is early Meshuggah all the way!
After 10 years, still leaves me dazed
This is so fuggin good dude. Wish we had a version of higher audio quality. It’s a crime that this man hasn’t released more of his own stuff. The solos in meshuggah don’t satisfy my thirst like this. He really lets loose here.
Hate to be "That guy" but it's actually his "3D breath midi controller" demo. He and his guitar tech built this and this is a demo of it in action. The plans for it are on the meshuggah forums as well as a detailed explanation and link to the song.
Amazing piece of work. Hope it finds its way on the new meshuggah or special defects album(s).
All hail the almighty "Alien Holdsworth" 3333333333 3333333333 3333333333 333
faultandfracture it’s like thordendal was implanted in Holdsworth by a xenomorph face sucker, and out of Holdsworth chest popped out Thordendal, baby alien Holdsworth. Mother Holdsworth had more tentacles and baby alien thordendalsworth had more teeth Hahahahahaha both my idols of guitar ahhhhhhh
I am sure someone from MESHUGGAH would go on youtube and read the comments every now and then and notice that the fans are asking for more solos and the backing vocals coming back would be good. I would luv for their next album to have more solos than DEI even.
thank you for existing fredrik.... :') i cry when i listen to this man
Breath controllers are basically made to control synths like a flute. blowing into it makes the volume go up, and you can set the threshold so that blowing turns it on all the way up, or so that the harder you blow the louder it gets. You can set the blowing up to control other things than volume too though. And the 33 breath controller can be tilted up and down and left and right, and you cen set that up to control things too. It's like a joystick.
Not sure what you call it, but that breath-control device is sik as hell. The way it "splays" out the notes at the end, with the tone becomming sharper. Just awesome.
One of his best songs. I love how Fredrik incorporates a Holdsworth feel into his solo music.
*Fredrik writes his songs with an electronic abacus.*
That was great. And a great tribute to Allan. i washed out my brain with this after listening something bad. thanks, I feel much better now.
How sweet the tones are, the tight warm chunks and the juicy lead. Hail this !
This is such an awesome piece of music. Hits the essence of why I love Shuggah right there. And now word is out. Fred will be recording the new Shuggah album with his mates. And will be touring with them again. How's that for a wonderful news!
it sounds like he's using that effect he uses in future breed machine where he uses a breathing device. this guy's style is just madness
How can a song that came out like 25years ago goes that hard ? Didn't the metal evolved in a quarter of a century ? Love that
why is this guy so fucking awesome? his music is insane on many levels.
For the love of God someone make him and Tosin do an album together.
They toured together, so there's a musical appreciation for each other, so really, it's totally possible. May we hope a tour to support it, too? Hell yes.
Agreed
music isnt ready for that yet lol
Tosin doesn't deserve to be in the same room with Fredrik.
Tosin is awesome but Fredrik is a god
This is incredible
Im lucky enough to have met Fredrik twice, and managed to get my 8 string signed by him and Marten on their Obzen tour to NZ! Stoked!!!
Fredrik in a Tool sweater. My heart can only take so much!
In the 90s they did tour together,
Tool and Meshuggah
@@TheMarioMan247 I wish I saw them when they were opening for tool!
fuck this is so jazz-fusion-ey !!
Jansher Aquib Djazz!!!
"B" Lydian.
...words cannot describe the awesomeness of this song!
I really can't wait for his 2nd Special Defects album!
crazy how you commented this 10 years ago and it's still not out yet lol. Hopefully soon... Or even a new Meshuggah album, it's been almost 5 years since their last album even though it doesn't seem like it.
Well now we have Immutable. Hopefully SDFX2 is out soon
@@brentos5001 dude I forgot that a part2 was even in the works thats how long its taken and now Immutable is out and Fredrik barely is part of the band anymore...
@@RobertoReyesChHC what do you mean, he’s touring with them and everything
@@YoupHummelink He's written nothing in both TVSOR and Immutable except for the solos
El guitarrista mas arriesgado y creativo de la historia reciente del metal. Holdsworth inspirador inmortal.
as much as i love meshuggah, i wish more of it sounded like this. you hardly ever get to hear fredrik's axe prowess on their releases.
True story: I crashed my car while listening to this. It was that mesmerizing.
Hey how do I find more like this.. I’ve heard every meshuggah track are there any that sound like this I’m not remembering? Also what is this?? Are there more of these
George Soden I heard it like 10 lol one of my favorite albums ever actually...
George Soden dude it’s like a being from another dimension made an album...
Go to his Wikipedia page. And it will give songs he is featured in and side projects he is worked on.
@@metalheadpolack check out his solo album, Sol Niger Within. It's basically a full album of this.
@Jdcie 2 ways, can take your pinky and wrap it around the volume knob, as you pick go from 0 - 7 or 8 as to cancel out the sound of the pick. You can also use a volume pedal or something similar to that nature.
This is simply beautiful.
So beast
Beautifil Disaster! Awesome!!!!!!!!!!!!! So Much Feelings
I clicked on this song and my computer said "Internet Explorer has closed this webpage to help protect your computer"....That's how powerful this song is!!!
It's solo's like this I miss in Meshuggah, instead of his usual one tone solo's.. Just my opinion!
Just came across and really weird timing too as I was just listening to DEI last night thinking that I would love them to reintroduce some of the spacey, jazzy melodic interludes that were on that and Contradictions Collapse. They're music would be all the better for it as they've proven time and time again that they have mastered heaviness.
A trimmed down part like this would be so sick to hear on a modern Meshuggah album.
How have I not heard this yet?? Wonderful :) Can't wait for more...
I just noticed that his entire background on myspace is an illustration of the famous Mandelbrot set, which I find very befitting. The Mandelbrot set is where math meets art, it's a visualization of infinite complexity, mystery and beauty, created simple means. It can be appealing even to a layman as it is graspable through our visual sense, even though it lacks almost all of the natural properties known. Fredrik is just an audile Mandelbrot.
this song is perfect for the gym!
Might be the best player out there right now, awesome
Been around awhile partner
Does anyone know where I could get a high quality version of this recording?
I’d love to know as well!
I'm going to request this song be played on the biggest jbl speakers as my body is lowered into the ground wen I die lol
Universally awesome. Wow...
Ya Fredrik is Awesome to listen to! One of my 3 top guitarists of all time! Bring on SPECIAL DEFECTS 2!
Fredrik said that he has the idea for a new album in his head so it's just a matter of time before he unleashes it on the world. We just have to be patient...
12 years and ticking.... I hope we won't have to wait 33 years.
Your comment was 11 years ago, so 1/3. But my money is on it coming within 5 years.
@@TheRealSorav Need to have a reddit reminder for 4 years from now... I am not holding my breath
Beautiful 👌
Thanks for saving me the time of uploading this. I've been meaning to do this for like a year lol!
Fantastic.
Fredrik Holdsental o Fredrik Thordenworth, algo así, la mescla perfecta!
No, as in wider steps within the scale, so rather than intervals of seconds or thirds, he will tend to use 6th, 7th or stacked triads/arpeggios within the scale shapes he is using. He also uses tapping to achive very wide sounding intervals, often the same scale shape played an octave above.
My fav guitarist simply becaus ehe does what I'd do if I was as good a shredder....even blend of heavy choppy, chuggy riffs and some awesome leads and shredding!
Lotta melody and jazzy composition.
Total jazz-metal prog genius.
Thanks for posting!
This is my first time hearing this, and it has a lot of Satriani nuances.
good catch, I wonder if Fred ever hung out with Joe sharing licks... both being Ibanez artists and all...
Aliens engineer new dimensions with a substance known as thordendallium
Great post haven't heard this until now! :)
This is a demo of what you can do with his '33' which is the name of the breath controller midi device on a joystick Johan Haake made for Fredrik. Look up Johan Haake on Google and look for 33!
This is not related to Catch 33. He is just amused by the number 33.
I want to point out that Thordendal's idol is ALLAN HOLDSWORTH, folks. This must be stated as Holdsworth, the legend, is not quite popular, but many players use his tone and imitate his style. A bit weak to just copy Holdsworth, but on the other hand, it is great Holdsworth sets a standard.
This is too amazing
he solos beautifully
To put it basically, in the way a keyboard MIDI controller sends solid signal chains in straight lines as you hit the keys, the breath controller send the signals he plays on the guitar, but loosens up the signal a little bit so it sounds less rigid. Hope that made sense :P
everyone needs to watch the old 98 show meshuggah did in springfield, search on here for it, its so good, his improv is amazing and his stage presence is awesome
Actually, it is probably Drum Kit From Hell, I would think, because Catch 33 was written with DKFH, which is programmed computer drums. This was because Catch 33 is a guitar focused album, according to Haake, so the mechanical drums brought out the guitar more.
good stuff!
This may be the demo to show off a breath controller, but it's some of the best metal I've ever heard.
This is amazing. Thanks so much for uploading.
I think pressure is measured then used as volume control.
@schwarg the story behind this clip as i know it is that this is a test for a breath controller that thordendal recorded as a demo. one of the most insane things i've ever heard... i wish he'd do more of this
sounds jazzy and smooth i likes
Fredrik is the progressive metal version of Allan Holdsworth
I'd love to hear a guy Like Chris Poland (whom I idolize) to make an appearance on a Meshuggah song on an up coming album and trade solos with Fredrik. It would be amazing 2 great jazz/metal guitarists trading solos.
Thanks for the info! Genius stuff indeed!
@hier0phant Yea, that's cute and all...but none has there been a benevolent being like Fred, and praise is given to the mighty 33 by the faithful down tuned.....
@SevenStringShredHead I think tuning it to E-A-E-A-E-A-C-E (Low to High; Open A minor), would make the most sense in terms of getting such a tuning out of an 8 string. However, I understand your point, and realize that no matter the tuning choice, Devin Townsend would ultimately be a beast at the instrument.
Extraordinario
Speed is a dynamic which helps you express youself (musically). Sometimes you need to play slow and soft and sometimes you need to play hard and fast. This change/devolpment/evolution makes the musical phrases more interesting (gives them more life). At the 2.07 point Thorendal really gives it some. This "expressive progression" (u know what I mean!) is what gives his playing so much depth (plus why it's so hard to emulate). Maybe this is why he's wearing a Tool shirt; he likes progression.
thank you again. Much appreciated!
If I didn't know any better I'd say you probably built the damn thing for him.
Thordendal = Genius
Many of the ideas of the fusion greats but this shit is his. Rule Fredrik Thordendal
@fergdrumgus There will be TWO drummers on the new SDFX album (playing simultaneously.) Morgan Agren (THE GOD) and the dude from Soilwork. I think the dude from Soilwork is handling more textural kind of things.
omfg... masterpiece
@titology
Incorrect. An unused composition from 'Sol...' possibly but this doesn't occur on the released version of the album.
still the GOAT 🔥🔥🔥
I think the force of your breath controls the volume. So it's like a killswitch which turns off whenether you blow into it. That's why you can't really hear the picking.
@0D1STURB3D0 Well I don't know, perhaps bass gives an overall completely different sound?
@bertamon Yeah there is a cool interview with Fredrik in this months Guitar magazine, and he talks about the breath controller among other things. Check it out.
@goatgoesbahhhhhh The songs with the greatest solos are, Future Breed Machine, Soul Burn, Sublevels, Stengah, Closed Eye Visuals and Straws Pulled at Random.
Additionally you might want to check out Ritual, Gods of Rapture, Glints Collide and Pineal Gland Optics.
Perfect Single Rhythm Tone
@goatgoesbahhhhhh Dancers to a Discordant System has a fantastic solo section.