Old geographies, new orders -- China, India and the future of Asia: Rush Doshi at TEDxFulbright
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 5 พ.ค. 2014
- This talk was given at a local TEDx event, produced independently of the TED Conferences. Why are China and India so populous? How did they account for half of global GDP for centuries? Why did they fall from wealth and power? What does their reemergence mean for the future? What connects past and present is the enduring relevance of geography.
Fulbright from the US to China, 2011. Defense Analyst, Long Term Strategy Group. Rush uses the distant past to think about the future. He's so convinced that China and India will play pivotal roles in tomorrow's world that he learned Mandarin and Hindi. He's traveled the eastern Himalayas, the China-Burma border, and the mountain passes between China and Pakistan.
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India & China are two of the MOST ANCIENT civilizations on Earth. Even 2000 years ago...many Chinese scholars came to ancient Nalanda University & Taxila University in India for learning. Same happened the other way as well.
If any Chinese person is reading this....there are many reasons for us to doubt each other...BUT our history is VAST & it is RICH. Let us build trust & respect. The entire world would change for the better.
have you ever think about, which language that you used to teache chinese scholars?
+Hue Yang What are you trying to say?That chinese scholars didnt come to India to study?
@@yh8964 they learnt Sanskrit , they came to india and learnt buddism and went back . there is a famous Chinese story of the monk going to india too !
@@d_1012 why not went to nepal? buddism begins at ancient india, geographical at the present borader between india and nepal, more to nepal. And you know that because of chinese written history book, which was dramarized. you even never read it, i guess, so why are you belive in it?
@@yh8964 are you denying the fact that hundreds and thousands of Chinese , Japanese , Tibetan , Korean monks came to India ? you're delusional ! go check history , they even wrote books about their journey to India.
Excellent talk. Wish peace between India and China.
Java Lu together China and India can rule whole west alongwith America.
@oracle201212 yep Xi aka Winnie the Pooh got an attitude.
@oracle201212
A great leader needs a higher more comprehensive world Order...
A higher welt Aanschuung
@oracle201212 I think, Xi or China would not do what he is doing now in securing South China Sea for them IF they didn't have bad experiences due to Western and Japanese colonialisation AND what USA did and do since WW2, controlling others and make wars everywhere. A person must be blind or totally brainwashed by pro US media all over the world if don't see the reality. Japan is actually under US, Abe is a Trump servant. USA is trying to control Germany all the time, not so easy any more because we are now in EU. USA is trying in Europe same like in Asia with 'DIVIDE ET IMPERA', trying to bring some EU nations like Poland, Hungary closer to them against EU. Again, Asian is more easily to be manipulated because they still look up to the west, incl. Chinese (Hong Kong, Taiwan, Singapore), not mentioning SEA. American high tech industries actually built mostly by migrants from Asia.
Both has to work hand in hand only then west will be in their limits.
He is right. War is terrible and bloody. Countries like China and India should try their best to cooperate than become hostile against each other. There are many economic benefit for the developing countries to get together and change the rules that settled by developed countries
***** Americans basically are denscents of colonizers, bad people, no matter how u pretend to care others nations, we all knew who u are.
***** U are one of those bad guy who delution to fool people forget your background, lol
+Zhang Helen the last one who want to see china & india work together is usa.
Owlman Chan Pakistan。。
True that Zhang. India & China have LONG & RICH history. They are 2 of the most ancient civilizations on Earth. There are many reasons for us to doubt each other...BUT our history is VAST & it is very RICH. Let us build trust & mutual respect. The entire world would change for the better
He is a big man. Indians do have some genius. Very intelligent and well english speaking. Even much better than some native english speaker. I am becoming be respect of some indians now.
Louis Wu we are the world's fastest growing economy now. :)
Togepi 1972 keep on, comparison is meaningless, do have a good life for yourself.
Togepi 1972 dude there was literally no need to do that.
Louis Wu dude please don't pay attention to him... We've our fair share of nutcases
@@Togepi-er6df People like u are the reason for bad image of indians on various social platforms .
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Long live India and China! Please remember our friend Russia!
God bless and Jai Hind!
Now if only everybody were like you.
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Vast information put together in a simple presentation. Good work
When China and India realize the advantages of their friendship!
Magic begins...
Oh right those two countries will totally forget their rivalry. Hilarious. God these people posting here are uniformed fools.
India has tried repeatedly. The most they get is lip service from China. China needs to stop treating them as a rival to their own regional dominance.
@@TheRusselmuscle You mean uninformed? Learn to spell, dummy.
think about it, indians and chinese actually have many in common including religion and work ethics.
@@TheRusselmuscle thank u for saw, read & replied on my foolish comment.
India and China have never fought a war (except a brief border war in 1962) in the last 5000 years. They were both rich until India was colonized and China brutalized.
They are getting rich again and regaining their rightful place. I hope they have enough sense not to go to war ever. That would be a sure way of destroying everything both have spent years to build.
+JasonRobert2011 both these nation never invaded any other countries either despite of getting invaded numerous time...
India & China have fought 2 brief wars...1962 & 1967.
There have not been war because India only became a country in 1947. "Ancient India" refers to the entire Indian subcontinent/South Asia, home to many different ethnic kingdoms. One of them, the Sikh Confederacy, fought a war with China.
No, we Americans want India to fight China. Operation Cappati will be successful with creation of anti-Chinese sentiment in India and we are proud to sponsor our friendly media in India and around the world.
@@sudarshan7111 China did.
If India and China decide to work together, they could together be a gigantic superpower. Nobody would be able to stop them for thousands of years. Fingers crossed!
Price for economic growth is too high for us. But people in CHina and India really do not have choice. We have to catch up with the world economy, that is the only reason we were not entirely colonized by any country. IF Westerners know how to respect the world(colonizing, assimilating) we may not need to pay the price of the brutal economy.
India and China should join together and build up their economy ,leaving behind expansionist policies ...they will be world's no 1 economy with a market of 2.6 billions of their own soon.! But selfish motives hinders this potential for development .
Problem is that Trump US thinks that China is growing too fast for his liking, hence they are trying to put as many obstacles as is within the US means to impede this growth.
India was copletly colonized
Please understand what is economy.......
In nature there is something called principal of least action...
True economy is not based on human greed, ......
The wall street greed...
Economy means principal of least action.......
@@ftham888 see the population too ,its not about power .calculate per capita
China and India can make a win-win game together
A war or even a cold war between India and China will benefit the west immensely.... So we should avoid conflict with China at any cost
for your info, China has no such qualms !!
M Nair brother. dont jump to hasty conclusion.
interesting viewpoint...... Mr. Venkatesh, have you ever realized that the same mentality of seeking friendship with China at any cost was what got the Nehruvian India into the war? "At all costs" is never a good phrase for any nation's safety and security. True, a conflict might benefit the west, but so what?
China is a conflict-creator. They gobbled up Tibet. They are seizing the Northeast. They have occupied Aksai-Chin and are pushing further into Ladakh and Jammu and Kashmir (which undoubtedly belongs to India). Let them agree to return our lands to us first. Just because we as Indians are too caught up with the overoptimistic "Ahimsa" business, the Chinese are taking a ride on us.
First, we should steel our country to be strong and to not fear war. We are a fearsome warrior people. Why turn lions into sheep?
As Swami Vivekanada said in Chicago:
"All of you, every single one of you, is a lion. No matter who you are. Why turn lions into meek lambs? Arise, my brethren!"
@@Murlileo Unlike your colonial masters who were so so kind? What sad sad Indian..
Maybe what he said is true, anyway, bless India
+OL xie God Bless your country too. :)
Let me play the song.....
Imagine...
By John Lennon....
OL xie 中印应该一起奋斗，不过国内很多人非常歧视硬度
Really moved by the comment section. I am a Chinese student in the US and have been studying India for the last three years. Sincerely hope that China and India can work together to make Asia great again and contribute to making the world a better place as well.
Some country don't want them to become friend for their own benefit.
@@jeffreyc9509 this is also true, low and behold, the United States and Great Britain
Sincerely hope India and China can work together to become world powers both.
youtube leat yeah!
I would not say India is a success yet. It is getting there.
China however has made remarkable progress and can be called a success story.
+Sridhar Kaushik
Yeh India will have to prove itself in the coming decades. I give it another 2 decades to really show what its made of. With the earliest signs by the mid 2020s.
Mate, just watch India till 2024, you'll see the tilt of the board of history.
Sridhar Kaushik I don’t think he’s attributing any success to these countries.all he’s saying is if the whole world has the same technology, countries with larger population have the upper hand.
Differences between india and China’s success is due to the political system and leadership.
Indian don't need anybody's recognition for success.
THE LARGEST DEMOCRACY going hand in hand and about to beat UK in terms of GDP, without Millions of deaths like CHINA in 1960's (Revolution), and you call INDIA not successful. SHEESHHHH!
British did not get rich because of industrial Revolution but because of the wealth they looted from India...I don't understand how he missed it 😔
fact Then what's the use of an industrial revolution? British manufacturing had already outpaced India's production by the 19th century because of homegrown industries. You could be right if you meant the plunder of natural resources, but don't discard the role of technology because the raw material translated to the wealth Europe enjoyed after being processed by Western technology into finished goods.
@@Moepowerplant They used the stolen wealth to boost the industrial revolution.
Sorry, dude, but that's just way too simplistic. We nicked stuff from everybody!
@@Moepowerplant It was not a level playing field - if India was free then you can say they outgained us but keeping us as their colony, not letting us grow, taxing our goods, keeping us in poverty
Millions of indians died due to starvation deaths - same thing happened to the Irish
But ah that white skin makes us blind to their faults
Ramaraksha Funny, I don't remember making a case in favor of some skin color...
What I did say was plunder of natural resources was possible. There had been exploitation, too, to be sure (more an effect than a cause of British dominance). But don't pretend that Western technology did not exist. It was a major factor in the rise of Britain. If you still deny that, then it means the Industrial revolution was a sham and India should just stay in the Mughal era, no phones, no computers, no cars, none.
India China and Russia have the opportunity for World leadership based on multi polar power sharing and a new hybrid system of socialist democracy.
Have they ever thought about an Asian Union?
Leonardo Bautista
With a communist and despotic state?? no thanks they are too different better left at arms length ,)..
with what communists ?
Asia is not at all homogeneous, The Europeans just gave the name to landmass that do not subscribe to 'European race or culture, Asia - not us !!!
Adding the Muslim countries will not work. Shintoism, Buddhism, Hinduism, Confucius etc. are compatible and laid back religions and in these societies Church and State are strictly seperated. But Islam is too intense and church and state cannot be seperated
@@Murlileo abrahamic people will bleed themselves and the non-abrahamics for eternity, with their constant "my god and religion is the true one".
They must be kept away from the decision making systems of Asian countries.
great. i love this guy. let there be peace n prosperity amongst us. love from nepal.
This is very well done, Rush. Impressive would be an understatement.
Wow, what an insight!
Nobody had ever told this.
Wow. That gave me goosebumps. I really liked his analysis dating back to 1st CE. Good work. Apparently Most Indians don't even know about it. Geology, its effects, advantages, disadvantages. Kudos to this guy for superb analysis.
One of the best TED talks I've watched !!
I always say China & India are like Yin and Yang of the world. Both complement each other. Culture is same, just a bit different here n there.
Very elaborative, informative and data centric speech. Loved it. 👌🏻🙏🏻
Excellent Presentation . I never looked at the world this way . This sure was an eye opener
Give this man a medal!So true,very fun to listen to it,glad i saw this and learned something new.
Very insightful and informative! Both sides have shown much restrain during the last border dispute that ended recently. Hopefully these two ancient civilizations would work together for a win win outcome rather than the destructive military solution the US seems to always favours.
That's some really good research. I think my perception about indo-chinesese geopolitics has changed a bit. It is true that we Indians are skeptical about China's attitude for all these years. But we can cooperate more, it would be beneficial for both of us.
+jesshu22 Chinese dont want to cooperate, they want to block India and rule the world.
Arya Adarsh I really think they should answer that themselves
@@Arya_Adarsh China never wanted to rule the world, not even at its strongest time. China built the Great Wall to defend itself, and only did trading with countries including India during Zhenhe's time, when his massive Navy sailed all the way to Africa, and it is the best if you know Xuanzang, the monk who climbed the mountains to India to bring the Buddhism scripts back to China. Not like the westerner, Chinese people and Chinese culture does not interested in Unifying the other nations. India and China have been friends for over 2000 years, and Long live India-China friendship.
Enjoyed the talk. Thank you.
Impressive, what a thought..!!
If China & India unites like USA n Nato.... well .... God save the Vatican!!
Bugger its not about religion... Lots of Christians live in India and China... And huge indian and Chinese population live outside
@@crchh175 Who said it was about religion n humanity kid!!... it was about the corporations of vatican..Mecca..etc
@@listofbucketliststraveland9281
Grow up uncle, so whats Vatican and Mecca about of not religion??
Sports!?... LoL
@@crchh175 xactly kid.. Religion is the curse!!
@@crchh175 whereva Religion has an upperhand... science, rationality humanity, PEACE have suffered..
Great talk, very informative and also well presented.
that's it brother we want a stronger India, china and even Pakistan.
Excellent talk backed by fast paced talk and very good slides.
Damn Introspective, man.
What an insight bro,
u surely is one of the indian geniuses, What an outlook.
God bless u.
Great speech. Looking at politics through geography myself, it gave me some very interesting thoughts on those two countries. Though I don't agree entirely, yet it is still an interesting point of view.
Best TH-cam video so far clear strategic clear talk
India was always the first to initiate a healthy relationship but China never responded the same way.
India was one of the first country to accept People's republic of China in the world.
India gave permanent seat in the United Nations security council to China.
India supported One China policy.
But in return what China gave us ?
1962 war.
Veto in the UNSC for India to become a permanent member.
Facilitated Pakistan's Nuclear program.
Illegally claimed part our kashmir territory.
The relation which the both countries are having today is caused by China.
And China only can improve it.
spot on!
Truth
I'm from Arunachal Pradesh NE india. Tbh out region never belonged to india nor china so actually it's the fault of both the sides .
What a beautiful presentation....
ohh please. Nehru's economic policies crippled India for 40 years. The Deng Xiaoping equivalent for India was Dr. Manmohan Singh that led the liberalization of the Indian economy in 1991 as the finance minister of India.
Nehru na hote to na communists ka institutions par kabja hota, na aaj Sonia Antonio hoti na pappu hota aur sabse important na sikularism hota.
I am not a fan of Nehru and there are a lot of things especially the 1962 war which he could have done much better BUT many things he did - he did right. Especially the anti-coup protection and national integration. People born in our generation don't realize how vulnerable and breakbale our nation was right after independence. There were many groups which wanted to split away and make their own country - there was also the fear that the military would take over in a coup like what happened to other newly independent colonies in South Asia and elsewhere or a civil war starting due to various reasons. Also, India's population was at 400 million and growing fast while our food stockpiles were drastically low. We were facing a famine of epic proportions - our parents who were raised in the 50's/60's would remember the period when bags of aid wheat were dropped from helicopters due to famine.
Hence, Nehru and the first batch of Indian leaders had to put their priorities on integrating our country into a strong unified whole, making the armed forces an effective but insular and secular organization which has no power or ability to make a coup and solve our impending food crisis. Add to this, they also had to raise the dismal educational level of 7% higher [the number of schools, colleges and other education institutions was dismal then].
These were absolute foundational blocks that were necessary for any country to grow upon. Nehru and the first batch of leaders, though idealistic and inept in certain situations like war, they were brilliant in solving these issues and building a strong foundation that holds the country together even now.
Though the Governments that came after them were either too Communistic to care about growth or were too into communal/firebrand politics to actually do any real development hence the big growth vaccum since Nehru left and any real growth happening.
Vaibhav Shah Nehru ki .. smjhjaao. bss.
It amazes me as to how people have been brainwashed into thinking that Nehru did no good for the country, especially the youth. I would request them to do their homework, but yea please do it without any bias.
Rishabh Katoch He hasnt lmao😂😂😂😂😂😂
Such a good Ted talk, clear and concise
Impressive talk
I think the reason for population growth of India was rapid development of Health facilities and food security. Back in 1900s every couple had 10 to 12 children and only few could get past their teen age due to epidemics and famine., after 1950s heath systems improved , vaccination and modern farming techniques caused huge decline in mortality rate. 80s show a trend towards population control. "We two ours two" was a famous slogan that popularized in 80s . Now many of Indian states has zero population growth.
I think you mean 'you two, ours one' my man
IT WAS THE BRITISH...
One difference: Indians can watch this talk on TH-cam. Chinese can't.
Super excellent...kudos
Superb presentation ! Loved it !
make indian great again . jain hind
Very well done. Excellent Talk
May China and India becomes the best of siblings for the peace of humankind against the war-mongering Western colonialists.
Together India and China can shake the world economically, technologically.
Sir
I have the same knowledge you just shown in the video.
I think the same way you do and I believe I also have a future with this kind of weird,over the head of most people knowledge.
You are my new role model,sir.
Excellent.
It is a privilege that India is being compared with China despite the collosal gap that exists between the two with China undoubtedly having the upper hand.
China has accomplished so much in such a short time that none in history have. India is nowhere as yet. It has a long way to go.
What India needs to be credited is that it absorbed all the invasions from the west/middle east keeping the rest of Asia relatively safe and preserving it's way of life and culture, unlike what happened with Persia or North Africa didn't happen to India. That's India's true glory and achievement.
Wow...what a speech....🎉🎉
good work，hope both side had more of this kind of thought leaders.
Inspirational observation.
Excellent talk
nice presentation ...good work bro.
In this era the world is more connected than ever.. Its a Global World and humanity should work together to make a great future for everyone!
never thought that way
Wonderful. to look so big & wide, makes you understanding YOU & THE WORLD
Just wow....👌👌
An extremely intelligent and excellent speaker. All we can hope is that for the betterment of the human race there is no war between India and China.
We must learn from history. The speech is analytical and extremely logical. Are these two big nations ready to change their attitude and thinking about each other?
Quite exciting explanations
Great talk!!!
Main emphasis is on geography. Politics, strategy & Economics revolve around geography and yet some of us fail to comprehend it.
Great talk!
Well said. You're good.
thanks...Rush Doshi at TEDxFulbright
Great speach ever i heard.
Right...👏👏👏👍
It was a great talk but for ONE MAJOR INACCURACY.
Just like Mr Rush Doshi left out Mao and put a picture of Deng.
He SHOULD have replaced the picture of Nehru with P V Narasimha Rao who was the main architect of INDIA's RISE..
PV is not good looking - thick nose and is dark-skinned - not good - this is why the British were so easily able to enslave us
he said they are not founders of the countries but began modernization after independence.
Brilliant - a Ted talk whereby I actually learned something.
Excellent
India 2019 - 41st
Head high with pride. We'll try gooder. 😌
His words speaks wisdom
Well speech I got know more about it's from.
Very good speech
Important talk.
India and china should work together.
Very informative 👌
Well said.
Excellent analysis
VOW ! Who is this ultra bright young man!?!?!?
lovely
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Wow. Mind Blown 🤯 i support the india am afraid of the china 🇸🇪
@@MySonu17 ...
Ye comment ko ek European ne kiya hai'...unko tumari comment samaj nahi aai ...
We Indians respect China and we think it's peaceful nation it never invaded any country with war, it is also planning to reunite with taiwan in 2049 peacefully but USA is involving in reunification and they want to make China look like villan to the world by supplying weapons to Taiwan. It's a manipulation that western media wont tell to western people.
I sincerely hope that both countries will undergo utmost development and that the world in the path of the 21st century will be marked by ever growing freedom and prosperity for the two and the rest of the world.
Mountain wars are still virtually impossible! The role of mountains has always applied even today.
Great talk. Ancient Indus Valley civilization means life concentrated around Indus river, which is Present day Pakistan, India and Bangladesh. When Brit's left subcontinent they divided it into India and Pakistan. Some of the issues were deliberately left pending. Ever since South Asia has not seen harmony. India and Pakistan must resolve their issues peacefully and enjoy prosperity together with China.
The thing is India in not a country with single religion and single tongue there difference between people among 29 states almost all states speak a seperate language and act differently everytime u move to a different state it is like moving to a different country every state competes with each other in a non friendly way,these differences are enough to move India away from Chinese relation
Not only India and China. This century belongs to Asia. Good Luck from India.
Good leadership is real answer why countries economy grows
As to the competition between China and India, Chinese have have different mindset than Indians. Most Chinese don't care about whether India is going to be richer than China or not. They only care about whether the social system in China works or not. Because in Chinese' mind, if you do things right, then nature will take its course and find the right place for you. You can seldom find media in China comparing China with India and keeping scores.
The main reason, I think, is that Chinese don't see India as equal rivals. First of all, China has gone through a lot of troubles to reach its position of today. China don't have democracy and free market or speech that is acknowledged by the (dominant) western world. And most of the developed countries banned exporting technology to China, even the Soviet Union did so. As a matter of fact, Chinese think it is wield that India haven't become richer already. And also, all these turn out to be the national shame after India lost the Sino-Indian War.
The the second reason, which is more important, is that, many Chinese don't think India has full sovereignty. There is no evidence that Chinese can see such that India can make decision on its own or the region without risking going through major conflict with the West. Actually, the western admiration in Indian society has lessen the significance of Indian tradition culture. Even the border dispute between the countries are under severe historical influence of the British colonization in India.
India can see all this 'goodwill' and understands it and soon it may start showing the same 'goodwill' towards China.
communism was not an ancient chinese tradition my friend. mao got it thanks to the west. i agree that india definitely puts western values above our own tradition but china has a major advantage as majority of chinese population are han which gives them a strong sense of unity. india has been an anarchist society politically and uniting them completely will be a gradual effort. hence, democracy and secularism is important for the time being. having said that india should prefer china as an international ally above anyone else. theres a lot of values that these 2 civilisation can exchange unlike the west which is built on imperialism.
if you are a chinese then remember one thing. Its not the indians who care about china. It is the world media.
Mayank Uniyal
Of course, China absorbs something from West, and from India too, but communism cannot come to reality without Chinese traditional value. Nowadays, communism or socialism is just a name, whatever you call it if you want, the exact meaning is explained and conducted mainly by Chinese own traditional value. No matter which of these two countries will be the most powerful contry, we don't want to invade each other, so in the long run, we should get more cooperation, and keep peace.
Raw material was exported from British India,
The wealth was plundered including kohinoor
So true, China has already rising super fast to regain it's old glory, and now even India is poised to do just that.
Brilliant
I appreciate technology, I sail, and enjoy sailing a 1960s vessel.
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