What happens when you try to run a motorcycle on PROPANE instead of Gas
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 17 ก.ย. 2020
- Can you run you motorcycle on propane and other types of LPGs? We think it's not only possible, but that we can do it for only $10! Once we get the bike running we want to take it on the open road and see just how well it will really run!
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I cant believe that we forgot to put in the best part of the video but here it is WORDS OF WISDOM: Romans 12:21 Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.
I've only been watching the channel for about six months or so and haven't seen any giveaways that were not local or purchase that was the only reason I said that not trying to be rude
Poncharoes sounds so good right now
Try a pressurized camp stove fuel bottle as a tank for the scooter lol
Really is the best parts. Them lil bible quotes help a lot. Love the bible quotes
First, you have to tightly close all the connecting pipes, and secondly, and most importantly, you have to replace the spark plug to be able to ignite the mixture properly and you want to cancel or replace the air inlet because it is small and somewhat closed and the engine cannot breathe properly
"I run my bike on propane and propane accessories."-hank hill
🤣😂
I clicked on this video to find this comment and like it. Thats. It.
Underrated comment😂😂😂
Butane is a bastars gas!
You are correct
I work in the LP industry and run across this a lot! First off you need to supply liquid propane to a vaporizer (these utilize hot water from the coolant system if one is available) the reason for this is it supplies a ready supply of fuel independent of the ambient Temperatures as they affect the amount of pressure and BTU’s in the vapor form of LP. Next you have the pressure regulator to bring the freshly vaporized LP down to a set pressure so it stays consistent. Finally you need the correct LP carburetor for your size of motor. Call an outfit in Hampton Iowa called Midwest Meter. I can get you set up for far less than the cost of your generator 😅
Dang dis boi smart
Yeah. I worked on a project years ago in college to convert a zx6 to log with a gaseous fuel injection setup. It wasn't as simple but certainly possible with the correct gear! I've also rebuilt fuel systems on lpg forklifts and its not as simple as just piping it to a gas motor :)
Yep I recently worked on an lpg Toyota forklift, I thought I'm great at working on Toyota's this will be cake! I was mistaken instantly. but the internet saved me 😄👍
Seriously,
2020 reduced me to living in my (1977) camp trailer. Been really wanting to figure out how to setup a gas generator to run off my propane system on the trailer.
Any info would be greatly appreciated!!!
@@silversoozookee2839 www.uscarb.com/ has setups to go from gas to LPG. I got a kit from them to change my gas generator to propane, that way I can store 5 propane bottles for as long as needed (it dose not go bad like gas) and can go back to gas anytime.
0:45 : "So we've got a gatorade bottle"
Pulls out a Powerade bottle
'We' -noun : American slang for the other guy that's doing all the work.
Example:
"We can't figure it out" says the guy laying on the floor thinking about pizza.
What went wrong: proper fuel mixture, otherwise known as stoichiometric. This amount actually changes based on RPM and compression ratio, more RPM means more air, in which needs more fuel.
Propane: since the propane was entering the system as a gas, as you revved up, you need to introduce more pressure from the tank. The pressure regulator does that for you, they are usually tuned to the CC and compression ratio of the engine. Ones from a generator usually only work in a small RPM range.
Butane: this one worked better because the gas was discharged into liquid form, then sucked in through the engines compression. It's probably would have worked better if you had a larger tube for more fuel to be sucked in. You would still need to tune it to make sure the correct stoichiometric level.
Good job you guys, just next time, discharge butane outdoors.
God bless
The butane also needs to be pressurized. Hence the the metal container. Also the line needs to be shortened and the right sized jet introduced. Vaughn
Yeah what he said 🤓👆
@@SPd.Triple they know what they are talking about, but I will stick to my regular gas to run my motorcycle
maybe add a supercharger to add more air with higher rpm.. Great to see thought experiments in real life.. thank you Sean and team
I have 2 of these scooters/mopeds. One runs on 100 octane RON (91.5 MON / 95.8 PON) and the other runs on a gas/diesel mix (50/50) with a compression of 16.2:1 (72cc) (Doesn't run anymore, grenaded the engine xD)
Im running most of my cars on LPG for many years.
LPG (natural propane gas) conversation is extremely popular in europe (because gasoline is really expensive).
When done right there are no draw backs! Proper lpg system gets its own ecu, its own injectors, fuel rail, etc. Car still starts on petrol and runs on petrol till it warms up and then switches to LPG.
I have Impreza STi that is running on LPG.
I live in Australia and I own a Ford Falcon wagon that runs on LPG. It is common in Australia to find cars have a dual fuel petrol/LPG fuel system with a dash mounted switch to change from one fuel to another. LPG is currently half price of petrol so it makes a lot of sense to run on LPG as much as possible.
Yes ofc its economical. 1 petrol liter = 1.3 lpg liter. So its good. I have a mk5 1.6 petrol/lpg. Its going 300.000 km. And still strong
Yes, you can absolutely light farts on fire.
100%! Done it!!!
I live in Washington state. I can't get their in time
Learned that in Jr. College.
It’s a KLR....it can run on anything. Moonshine. Listerine. A warm beer. Muddy water.
These vids are getting better😂😂
When Bordem strikes
You’re right
I see you like merida bikes nice🤘🏻
Yes
They really are
“No you totally can, you just wanna wear jeans” 😂
I watched my older brother do it when I was about 10 years old. Craziest thing I ever saw up to that point. He had jeans on and he still toasted himself.
I’ve seen it done before
So much for heartburn...😳👋🙄
Its all fun and games till the carb backfires
especially when the gas on the floor explodes, and demolishes the feckin building. muppets were lucky (this time around). don't reco channel
@@raymondo162 don't recommend you.
@@raymondo162 Muppets? This is how scientitic progress is made sir. People who aren't afraid to take risks and learn from the process. If they succeed, it's no thanks to people who just sit on the sidelines and call them "muppets".
Me needing fuel: *stopped by for gas* "hey you have taylor swift new album?"
its a klr dude.when they were designed the cleanest fuel around was crude oil.and coal.
No, No, No, No. I owned KLR's back in the beginning. They where designed to run on Sterno. You took a couple of extra cans out in the filed and had a Fondue as you watched the sunset. If you used anything remotely combustible they would blow up................. :)
I ran out of gas once on a 1980s klr in front of a home store. Bought solvent and the motorcycle ran like nothing.
Gas engines was designed for peanut/veggie oil originally.
@@brianmccann666 Diesel engines were.
@@brianmccann666 not with spark plugs, the first internal combustion engines were pressure ignition , like diesels.
spark ignition and petrol came later.
Best Quote "So we bought a 420cc Generator and robbed some parts off it" Lol!
best part is that the motor was 439cc, I think he just wanted an opportunity to say "420" lol
I’m a follower of your channel for quite some time and enjoy the style and content. I was surprised to see this one pop up. I work for a company that globally supplies the most advanced LPG conversion systems for cars, trucks, boats including DI engines of today (for example; for the full range of F-150 2020 engines available). We had a colleague who converted his bike, with injection engine) and here and there sometimes a bike project pops up. I am all up for converting cars on propane, but I would do my own bike. The engine I don’t worry about, I just wouldn’t want the top cover in the back holding a tank.
You Gotta Love Craig! Any video with him in it is Fire🔥
yeah and he is so hot
@@BikesandBeards I mean your not wrong lol 😆 😂
**Hank Hill has entered the chat**
Nothing like a clean burning fuel
I tell you what
Thatherton!
I was waiting for someone to talk about Hank 😂
@@gavinwavy9132 I don't ever need an excuse to talk about Hank.
These vids get crazier every time
keep up the good work i love the channel
Dude, I love this video! You guys are awesome Especially love how excited Craig got, haha
I really needed a good laugh this morning. Especially when coming from my Christian Brothers. My son is very sick right so please pray him. He's 11 and the best son any father could ever ask for. Literally a shinning light in a World of darkness. I know he'll get better and fortunately for us we have the means to get him the help he need. Thanks again.
“It doesn’t take rocket appliances “
The fuel metering is different, you need to control the amount of fuel and air.
What went wrong, is you are varying how much air was going into the carburetor, but the amount of fuel was consistent. That's why they have both the butterfly/slide and the needle. So basically it would only run at one rpm range where it had the best a/f ratio. To make it work proper, you'll need to find a way to regulate the fuel as well as air to get the best ratio, and to be able to control both of them with the throttle. Also, the LP needs to be evaporated/heated as it burns in a vaporized state.
Great video though and I'd like to see a part 2!
You guys seem like you have the best work atmosphere on the planet. I'd love to be doing all that.
The fart joke was the point I liked this video and spit out my lunch.. THANKS
The fuel pressure is slowly dropping and higher in the rpm range you will need more fuel the whole time engine was probably running lean I would try tilting the bottle to see if that can get you more fuel pressure
loving these little tv showes you all be doing
Great Video Watching From Jamaica 🇯🇲 Bikelife 🔥🔥🔥
Put Taylor’s album in that tank, and let’s see ... 😂😂
Bro your videos are getting hilarious 🤣
Keep up the great work
You need to allow the engine to draw it's own fuel, silly idea: extreme downjetting and pressure proofing the carb for liquid propane? Food for thought. Love your videos!
Natural gas vehicles are common where I'm at. Heck our buses ran on it in the early 90s. Propane doesn't seem that far of a stretch, I'd imagine you go through piston rings like crazy.
I live about three hours south of these guy . Our local propane company actually has their intire fleet run off of propane.
MY BMW 330I has been running lpg (uk is 100% propane) for the last 130000 miles. no issues
@@ravennexusmh wow, that's quite awesome. What was the conversation like?
@@ravennexusmh My Focus C max is the same, runs perfect on LPG it's an O7 and has never given me any issues, it has done 180k now.
You don’t have as many issues as you would think, as the comments already mentioned... We own a dump truck( from mid 80s), and it is running on Methane... for about 30years now. Just regular maintenance, some seals dry out, but not sure if it’s due to gas or just because we use the cheapest stuff we can get lol
Well worth the initial conversion cost.
*there are hookups to your home gas line to fill your car (it becomes pretty cheap to drive if you want to jump the hoops), not sure about here in US, definitely not as common as coal-rolling-heavy-duty pickups...
That is what you call beard science
I want to start riding dirt biking on my channel
Man every time i see one of your bike challenges for a free bike i think about the fact that I live half way across the country. But also would love to visit your shop to buy my next bike. Love your videos. Your a good person. Never change that
Love the fact u guys put in a clip of rs(aka rollsafe) from London England.. got soo much love for your channel would be great to see some competitions we could get involved in here in england
"I'm no sciencematologist but...." I almost choked on my coffee! This is the best channel on TH-cam!
He's definitely a Sciencetition. Don't let him fool you!
agreed best Channel on TH-cam
Agreed definitely theyre scientmalogically ochistrated on some plane.
“As long as it’s not charcoal”
- Hank Hill Assistant manager, Strickland propane
Looking forward to part 2 . Strange I just bought a dual fuel generator on Ebay . Almost bought a Firman on Amazon but then was going to just step up and get the Honda but decided to check Ebay first . Low and behold they had a 3400 watt Champion and I won it . Hope it never has to look like the dual fuel generator you guys took apart .
The propane tank you would need for this to work is not the same tank as you find on a gas grill or the bottle you were using. You need a regulator, a slightly different jetted carb that also has no floats in the bowl, and the proper tank that supplies liquid instead of gas. I was a tech that repaired propane powered engines that powered floor buffers and these motors ran on propane as they had way safer emissions to run indoors.
With the scooter it's actually more viable. We have compressed natural gas in India for cars. There is a scooter which can be fit with a CNG kit
I'd give a regular grill regulator a go. Maybe ditch the needle idea as well, it seems far too restrictive. Throttle will always be by bottle, the throttle on the stock carb ends up acting like a choke.
This might be a whole lot easier on a fuel injected bike too, since throttle on the handlebar directly relates to fuel into the cylinder.
A regular grill regulator needs the diaphragm to be pulled out just the right amount by an adjustable spring-screw-nut system in order to give the motor the right amount of gas when it needs it
I love your guys videos and am working on saving up for my first bike I’m hoping to get a Honda shadow every time I watch your guys videos it always puts a smile on my face
I am an ER nurse, and I agree with you! LO! So much could go wrong, but you guys are hilarious!
The butane issue sounds like a problem with evaporation. Basically, after a minute or so, the butane starts to get cold and can no longer evaporate fast enough to keep the engine running. I tinker with small engines, and "expiremented" with gas vapor carbs. I would take a small gas can with a piece of rubber hose connected to the spout, and drill a hole in the top of the can and insert a shorter piece of hose that reached almost to the bottom of the can. This allowed air into the can to mix with the gasoline to it could burn. I would then shove the hose from the spout of the can into the throat of a carburetor, and the engine would usually fire up and run for a few minutes, and then die. I discovered that the gasoline would get really cold from constant evaporation into the carburetor, and would no longer evaporate fast enough to run the engine. The gas can would get so cold that condensation would form on the outside of it. The butane might be having the same trouble. If you can find a way to keep it from getting cold, it might work better.
Well obviously add some hot tea with rum
Yea what u said 🤓
Y'all are awesome! I love the content:) now u need to test the mileage
Love your videos bro!
This reminds me of the time my dad ran out of gas and used charcoal lighter fluid to get to the gas station. Awesomeness
I saw this video when it came out and now we watching it in class😂😂😂
Ypu guys are awsome...making people have a day they never forget...
I know some people who convert engines over actually pin the throttle open all the way and completely regulate RPM through a valve on the propane tank or on the line from the propane tank. It is also super important to make sure there are no vacuum leaks as propane engines don't like to run lean. At least that's what I have been told. By the way awesome video like usually.
Yea definitely won't throttle up without adding more fuel when asked
Gotta turn the bottle of butane upside down to increase flow.
Sorta kinda almost...
Inversion will get liquid out of the tank this may or may not be good.
Excuse to experiment
Years ago we ran a friend's van on various gases including butane and propane, I modified an SU carburetor to meter the gas, did away with float chamber and fed the jet with butane (without a regulator) the jet was about 1/8" and we made a needle to suit, had to stretch the spring in the carb due to gas pressure trying to push the needle of the seat. It worked well, the van did quite a lot of miles like that, had to make a copper coil to wrap around the gas bottle to avoid icing. Was just an evening project, for a laugh, took a few hours to get it working properly.
You guys and the things you come up with and that blue Kawasaki looks nice !
5:10 my wife snapped her head at me "whom is a nurse" and shook her head with exactly.... she was just shocked you admitted it rofl!
Damn I was just searching up a propane powered car and they just upload this. Damn
It would be awesome working for you at that shop.... always fun.... thanks for your videos brother...
In Europe we have conversion kits for small engines with reducer (kinda diaphragm carburetor). That apply to small scooter and mower engines, it run on propane-butane vaporized in tank.
"I did watch PBS...once." LOL! 😂
on the cheap, these set ups are best suited for like a certain rpm range, like the generator. i've seen videos where you can run a lawn mower on a 20lb propane tank. this running a street bike on propane could be a game changer.....i do believe you will be slightly down on power vs gas. just imagine how clean an engine that runs on propane is?????? it's amazing....please keep up the good work. glory!!!!
In India about like 6-7 years ago prices of gasoline went sky high and also because of government's policies LPG became very cheap so in that time people were actually converting their bikes to run on lpg which was clever as these conversion kits are really cheaper and it saves money by like half... In that kit a tank is given which mounts at the side of the bike... With these bikes were running cleaner, cheaper and also their range is extended.... But now a days no one is doing this as it reduces power a little bit.... But a lot of cars are running on CNG.
I think it was running on fumes because you didn’t have the bottle inverted.
ofc, if u invert the bottle and let the liquid ignite that shits gonna explode
I'm so far away in Cali man I wish I could be part of the giveaways
You're coming out way ahead by not being able to travel to Pennsylvania for the freebies. California would tax you into bankruptcy. Sorry. Vaughn
Same
Same
@@Shooter_Mcgavin93 I'm moving to Colorado in a month and cant take my bike. Trust me I hate Cali laws more than anyone.
You can use the LP system off Honda and other floor buffer engines on similar displacement bike engines if desired. The simple "stub" fitting can convert common carbs by replacing the emulsion tube (which is no longer needed nor is its emulsification function).
Our family had a very large Moline tractor that ran on butane in the early 60's. Used to plow and plow with it.
OMG, never discharge butane inside! NEVER!
Good way to blow your shop up, or suffocate your dog.
Butane gas drops and settles on the floor. It doesn't dissipate well, and will ignite extremely easily.
Edit: not trying to hate, just want people to be safer...God bless.
Blow up the shop? With that small amount of butane? 😂
@@edjebimmer882 maybe not the whole shop, but how big does an explosion have to be to not want it inside your motorcycle shop? Atomic?
No worse then a bic lighter drama Queen !! Butane is allot like propane i should
know i run a propane plant that pump 200000 gls a day,
It would just do a small flash and that would be about it the amount they
released. Relax dude. BTW liquid will not settle on the floor. It will vaporise
and settle to the lowest point like a floor drain. And it does disipate actually
very well. Take a cigarette lighter press on the valve what does that do.
@@mikep4823 So your advising, as a professional, that it is safe to do so?
Or
Just want to make yourself look like a big boy?
Yeah, I got experience as well. In my experience, it wasn't the smartest thing to do, better ways to do it and I learned.
Be safe, wear a helmet gloves and jacket while riding and discharge butane outside.
Also, wear your seatbelt and God bless.
@Last Name First sounds a bit like Oregon right now
You hear and explosion and see a small mushroom cloud down the block.
*"oh fender bender"*
Dang!!! Never knew you could run a motorcycle on TS albums. That's why I follow you guys!
All I wish in my life is to meet you and get a dirt bike or pit bike like the Apollo or Tao Tao but I can’t afford those. My dream pit bike is a crf110f but I know that I will never get that much money to be able to buy a pit bike like that. I first wanted to ride when I was 7 and now I’m 13 and I don’t have anything because of financial problems. I let my dad buy me what he could and if he can’t me anything I just say it’s ok because God might have a plan. But keep up the awesome work you do the best content. You videos get better and you start to grow faster and I love to see that. I just hope one day I’ll get the crf110f because that would be a dream come true. I love to see when you put the words of wisdom too. Keep it up you are great. I also live in Arizona so I can’t make it anywhere near Pennsylvania and I’m 13 years old so I can’t go all by my self. If one of my parents comes it will be more expensive and we can’t afford that. I like the scientist idea too
"I hope you’re finally satisfied. Playing with human lives-gambling with human lives-as if you thought yourself to be a God!" Nurse Ratched :-P (t5:12 for those who don't understand)
If it was right there in your face, you would, wouldn't you!
I use the spit from my chewin tabacca, I fill up my spatoon, dump it n the tank, off I go, you should try it..GRIZZLY is best!
pS: oh, you have to add gas to the spit and just stir it up..
7:00 I totally wasn’t expecting that joke😂 had me rolling from laughter
I did a Final Year Project during University days similar to you guys. But my choice of gas is methane/biogas derived from crude plam oil effluent. I just stick the gas pipe into the air filter and just ride away with no problem at all
Men i wish i have like one of those scooters to drive to work not to walk every day
But great vid guys
I agreed with evertthing up until you said taylor swift.
Same
The cover album sounds good
is it proper for putting on fire? yes!
You need a vacuum actuated regulator.
You'll also need to tune the regulator to meet different loads at different RPM.
In Australia it used to be a thing to run taxis on LPG (propane), and kits were available.
In the UK you can buy kits to convert your car to LPG and buy it on pumps at gas stations.
We used to be able to buy new cars already set up to run on it.
Can wear out your engine quicker as you usually need an engine with hardened valve seat to avoid premature wear.
You would start your car on normal fuel and switch over when slightly warm.
When you switch from Gasoline to a gas....YOU MUST ADJUST THE TIMING....( Plug Gap on a bike )
I though Taylor swift’s new album was called “communism” (let’s burn it down)
Darn I wasn't looking for a new favorite channel...
As your Butane vaporized the refrigeration effect lowered the temperature of the container to the point that the Butane would no longer vaporize quickly enough to feed your engine.
If you immersed the fuel container into a larger container with hot water in it the engine may run longer.
Fun fact, Butane is high octane.
By the way, I can't believe you ran the Amazon bike with honey for oil and got away with it that long. You really worried me when you started messing with that nice KLR on the heels of the Amazon bike torture, I'd love to get a KLR from that last generation with the nice big Real Gauges. before they go fuel injection.
I really enjoy your videos and they are getting a nice variety of entertaining antics. Just don't loose sight of those great reviews.... And don't hurt that KLR.
Me a Moroccan I can not very safely say drivers do this with cars all the time
Edit:it's no surprise
You Guys Rock! ALWAYS WANTED PROPANE BIKE! Good Lookin' KLR, my '04 was stolen last March, but got 3K Insurance!
Got my like and subscribe with the quick pit bike race
yes you've demonstrated that when you take out fuel delivery aka a pump, the engine will stall under load.
Awesome video!!!!!
I think propane runs a lot drier in the cylinder bore and such so if I am not mistaken engines designed for propane typically have different oil rings in them and maybe valve rotators ( for larger push rod engines anyway) to help them live longer. Also to get the same power the compression ratio will need to increase so more of the less btu containing fuel can charge the cylinder.
3:44 "That's wierd" is kind of equivalent to "Hold my beer" as in good things usually don't follow in pursuit 😂
This is very project farm of you and i love it. Lets what else you can run a bike on
It's amazing what you can learn on TH-cam!
In Australia it is common for cars to run on LPG or have a dual fuel setup where you can use an internal switch to switch between both fuels. LPG is currently about half the price of petrol so it makes sense to use the gas more than the petrol. I often wondered if you could run a motorcycle on LPG.
Same in Bulgaria. A proper system costs about 1000 euro with installation. Also, while living in Shanghai, I noticed some scooters ran on LPG, because it's better for the environment, thus allowed by the gov, while petrol isn't, because it pollutes more. There was a small propane bottle inside the scooter's trunk, when you lift the seat. As a Bulgarian, who has only seen this in cars, it was very interesting.
To: bikes & beards.
Sean, how the heack do you do your videos with-out making mistakes? Lol😂😂😂
I dig you Guy's, funny, honest, family man, I'd purchase a bike from you no problem.😁😁😁
Just for kicks you could build some sort of vacuum diaphragm controlled regulator to meter the propane based on the vacuum at the engine's intake port.
I don't think it's possible for me to care less about motorcycles but I would watch every expirement you ever try.
Gasoline is a mixture of flammable alkanes of different density like butane, propane, pentane, hexane, isohexane, isopentane and so on. Also benzene is a part. This mixture makes it a smooth run for the motor. The content of isooctane relatively measured as so called octane number qualifies the mixture for convenient for most actual regular built gasoline burning motors. But if a bit modified a motor can also run on CNG what's mostly the even lighter methane. In Eastern Europe taxi drivers often modify their cars to run on LPG which is mostly Propane and or Butane as it is much cheaper as unleaded fuel.
Hey bikes and beards, FYI LPG vehicles in some countries means you can bypass/delete some emissions control devices. as the LPG is classed as a cleaner fuel and a by -product.
I see you still got the 7.3 , love that van
Here in Europe LPG is very commonly used in cars. I have one on my own. Cheap fuel and very eco friendly.
I run two engines on glp at the farm, one is a small honda two stroke 11hp for a coffee mill, works wonderfully with a simple converter hooked on beforw the fuel injection or carbiretor unit. You just learn to tqeak the gaz/air mix until it runs evem better than with gasoline.